When he recommended using Lords of Chaos as a historical source, I couldn't roll my eyes any harder. Plus in my opinion, there's always someone innovating and pushing the genres forward even if many people aren't being "unique".
The Punk Rock MBA definitely try Orville Peck It’s country music and a lot say it’s very unique though nothing innovative as he’s just blending country and shoegaze together which he’s gotten A LOT of success from it.
I love the fact he says that melodic death metal is too clean, polished and non-threatening, but then he'll go on to praise bands like Attack Attack, Woe is Me and Issues.
Another thing I failed to mention in my original comment is the fact that most of the metalcore and deathcore bands he praises in his videos (in particular bands like Shadows Fall, Darkest Hour etc) would not exist if it weren't for melodeath. Really doesn't make sense to me how he sings praises to Darkest Hour whilst in the same breath, saying bands like At the Gates are formulaic and non-threatening.
@@speakerdestroyer425 Precisely. Newer bands take influence from older bands resulting in Metal evolving. It's been like that since Music ever started. I like Finn and he has made great videos with Factual Information regarding Hardcore and Metal, but god he can be ignorant sometimes.
For some reason I constantly try to enjoy Finns videos. For me, his taste isn't the main issue. It's how disrespectful and holier than thou he is. Everything he doesn't like is for nerds or drug addicts and everything he likes is cutting edge and normal. He doesn't hold himself to the same standards. He doesn't poke fun at himself. He just comes off as an asshole most of the time.
And he thinks he’s being different by liking mainstream artists… dude it’s 2023. Most metal bands (pick your genre, yeah even black metal bands) like some pretty mainstream artists too. Not that unique.
talks about misogyny, said he isn't going to add bands that have those themes - plays Cephalotripsy 5 minutes later with the infamous baby torn from woman's uterus on an operating table cover.
Everything sucks. Music sucks. Scenes are teh ghey. Its all boring and full of hipsters trying to make everything sound super important, deep and intellectual.
>“Black metal is boring because the imagery is stale and the forced edginess is laughable” >praises and loves old school slam despite it being insanely edgy and every album cover being some ridiculous gore-fest This isn’t a criticism of slam, but just another hole worth pointing out in the logic
Not to mention this guy worships punk, a genre defined by artsy middle class suburban white boys singing "Fuck the government!" whilst never actually lifting a finger to do anything about the government.
People would rather complain about "misogynistic" lyrics in brutal death metal, than the dozens upon dozens of mainstream artists across multiple genres who have actually hurt/abused women and underage kids Priorities
@The Darkcel Podcast every scene probably has at least one sick fuck who wants to use music, money and power to hurt and abuse people. Hell, a local heavy trapper from my scene got busted trying to hit up high-school chicks. The solution is holding these fuckers accountable when they get caught and keeping our circles clean
@@notsure2696 And who gets to decide who's a "pretender" and who's not? You? Who THE FUCK are you? I kind of agree with TPRMBA on his point about black metal and I think it applies to the metal community as a whole and your comment is a perfect example of it: the fucking pretention and gatekeeping. It's honestly just fucking juvenile and boring. Like seriously-who. the fuck. are you? Why should literally anyone give a fuck about your opinion? Let people enjoy the music they fucking like. And you do not need to commit 100% to a particular scene to be "valid" in enjoying that scene's music.
@@notsure2696 "the metal community is not to be disrespected by pretenders" that shit sounds so elitist and pretentious. Like get off your high horse no music is superior other forms of music and if you think so you probably have never gotten laid and are too busy circle jerking other metalheads
@@Glaamdring The Punk Rock MBA says he's against gatekeeping then he trashes black metal, ska, street punk and calls any rock on the radio butt rock. Then when someone says to him, "they like black metal for the same reason you like punk." The Punk Rock MBA responds, "I don't like punk that much tbh." The dude changes narratives when convenient and gatekeeps when convenient. He gets justifiably criticized for that. Also his source of information on black metal is the highly discredited Lords of Chaos. Just all around bad.
@Lord Amraphel I think in the case of most content creators the goal out weights the effort put in the videos. If they put as much effort on research and presentation as they do their advertising, thumbnails, and titles we'd have a lot less disappointments or spotty repetitive content.
And this "Punk Rock MBA" guy doesn't like anything that comes outside of the US, so everything outside the US doesn't exist for him, with some very rare exclusions.
the biggest problem I have with him is that the dude thinks, THINKS, he knows everything. The dude speaks as if his word is law on everything he talks about. Dude has admitted to not being an expert on certain genres. but the problem is he just needs everyone to think he knows everything. dude is fucking annoying when he speaks like that.
@Adolf Stalin There's some truth to that, but imo early hardcore punk is a lot more diverse in some ways, plus you're not taking into the style of each drummer which drastically sets each band apart regardless of the actual beats/time signatures being played. Yes, there's some repetition and monotony in terms of bands sounding like each other, but that's really with any genre. And that probably means you're not looking hard enough for good shit
Shhh don’t mention how every hardcore band is basically a Hatebreed breakdown. I do love me some hardcore breakdowns tho just pointing out the obvious.
meh, he makes it pretty clear that he doesn’t listen to much black metal. you can question why he would choose to make a video about it, but whatever, he can videos about whatever crap he wants I guess.
Now that i know he is the former Sergeant D from Metalcucks, I understand why his content annoys me so much and that he has stuck to his do the bare minimum research for everything i produce way of doing things.
@@ThePunkRockMBA Well the fact that you get information wrong? lol That would be the first thing. I realize your not as well versed in metal as others but C'mon some of the stuff you get wrong is novice level, A simple google search to check your work before you publish would be good. I know very little about Metalcore but if i was to make a video about it i'd check to make sure my sources are correct and that i'm not just going off one article, book or blog source. If you think i'm being too much of a stickler, so be it. But i did like your content before you started passing off wrong information as accurate.
Punk Rock MBA is hella annoying. The guy is overly-confident, under-researched, and speaks with an unfounded authority. His criticisms are extremely surface level. I feel like I’m being lectured by some PR agent. He the type of guy that would try and push Dead Kennedy branded Crocs.
If his feelings get hurt this easy maybe slam just ain’t for him. Also complete hypocrisy, he doesn’t like “misogyny” but is totally cool with all the other stuff, total virtue signaling.
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a twat for many reasons but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily virtue signaling. I despise feminists and SJWs but I don't like music that objectifies or degrades women or songs that glorify drugs either, however I've got no problem listening to music about murder, satanism, or any of that other shit. The reason for that is simple, when metal bands talk about killing people or worshiping satan it's obvious they're bullshitting. It's supposed to be shocking and scary. When bands talk shit about women or glorify drugs, it's 50 -50. Some are doing it because they're trying to shock people, others totally believe the things they're saying. If I know they're bullshitting it doesn't bother me, if I don't know or if I know for a fact they're serious, I won't listen to it. For example, I'll listen to Cannibal Corpse's many rape related songs, but I won't go near 99.9% of rap music, simply because I know that George Fisher is bullshitting and most rappers actually see women as objects.
Cant fucking stand this dude. I gave some of his videos a chance. And I get so annoyed that I just cut them off. He doesnt seem to know what he is talking about half the time, he uses clickbait, & he gives off so much misleading information. Its impossible to watch almost any of his videos. Glad someone finally made a video on this dude.
I don't get his dislike for melodic death metal but listens to shit like Attack Attack and Woe, Is Me which about 100 times more overproduced and clean sounding.
@Adolf Stalin I'd argue it's the younger ones that are more progressive. Keep in mind hardcores been around since the early 80's. This guy grew up on a that 2000's moshy bullshit.
@Adolf Stalin old hardcore dude here!.. and far from a progressive.. much more a centrist, depend on topics. However, you're right... especially on new kids. Sure, hc is more politically charged than metal and certainly more on liberal side of things. But, its was not like that back in the days. Certainly not like today, a communist boot camp. Back in the days, there's hardcore for everyone on the political spectrum. NYHC / tough guy shit / Heavy hardcore and beatdown stuff (OG stuff, not this kind of modern deathcore-ish stuff like nowadays) for thuggish and apolitical dudes with XXXXL clothes, VeganXedge shit for hippie disguise as hardcore kids, some patriotic and conservatives bands for skinheads and right wing religious hc kids, even n*zi bands still exists at this time. (NSHC anyone !?) Hardcore was a middle ground between punk and metal. When you'd goes to the show you could saw, punk, metalheads, skins, weirdos, straight edge, legit gang members..But, the main differences with today, its was the whole PC / veganXedge / militants scene was simply just another scenes among others. Pretty cringy and avoidable if you asked me, some metallic hardcore bands was musically enjoyable, but their whole progressive stance, turning me off.. Back then, I was more into tough guy shit. Nowadays, almost nothing of diversity of opinions in the hardcore world left, every bands is a bunch of leftist militant who's hate trump, want globalisation and hates working class average joe. There's a bunch of rich middle class sjw activists. Goes on hate5six yt page and you could saw the sad state of nowadays hardcore. This is why i said fuck off i quit... i love metal too, its the first kind of music i enjoyed before hardcore and punk ? so, im back in with my first love for extreme metal. and i don't regret it.
He has also been very misogynistic in the videos where he talks about women in the different scenes he claims to love. In his latest video he said: I wanted to invite a girl to talk about the female experience in rock but as I don't want to make this "more controversial" and lose views. When he said this I commented in all kind-heart suggesting him to lose some views the next time he attempted to pass his male gaze into explicitly female issues because from his "punk-hardcore" origin story it made sense to me for him to make some people uncomfortable for the good of a community and he said "nah disagree" proving that his fake criticism of misogyny should be applied to him as well.
That’s the biggest issue about him in general, he didn’t know how to take criticism. He didn’t put any effort to understand where he might be lacking in. He wouldn’t admit where he’s wrong and uninformed and would lump everyone who criticised him as just haters 🤣. There’re so many people that were actually really nice at him when criticising but he always replied with stubborn attitude or ‘well they should watch my video all the way through I also said nice thing about this genre’. We know that, that’s why we try to reasoned nicely with you on things you get wrong on, because we thought you’re a reasonable dude yourself. But nope, he thought mentioning the ‘pOsiTivE siDe’ is proof that he is in the right and he’s the nice guy 🤦🏻. He wasn’t really a person that you can reason with. The ‘positive sides’ and ‘lessons’ that he put at the end of each video is just a video formula. I like the stubborn attitude tbh. Reminded me of few punk zine writers that I used to love reading. I myself was like that at some point in my life 🤣. I like his video still but yeah Finn isn’t someone that I would go to for an unbiased ‘genre breakdown’ video.
I actually enjoy his videos too, but I find it RIDICULOUSLY ironic that he doesn’t like black metal bc it’s “Generic, trying to hard to be edgy, there’s no innovation.” Like okay, find me a super innovative hardcore band that isn’t like every other hardcore band.
He never said it wasn’t true of hardcore. But hardcore doesn’t perceive itself as outsider art like black metal does lol. Hardcore knows what it is where black metal acts like it’s something it’s not.
I love the fact you mentioned the _One Man Metal_ doc: I absolutely love it and find myself mystified with Jef and Scott's mind set, and while I did like Russel's interviews as well, he's become more hilarious as the years have gone on with his Blackwave shit. Also "Black Metal is repetitive and edgy". *looks at Alcest, Deathspell Omega, KFR, Blut aus Nord, Leviathan, Xasthur, ect ect*. ...Bruh, not every fucking band is a Burzum rip off.
Striborg was cringy as fuck even when he was doing straight up black metal lol The part in the video where he was in that cave or whatever wearing a hood and corpse paint and starts shrieking? Please 🤣
I like all of their music, but Jef and Scott were the only guys who seemed sincere and not like they were just trying to be edgy and TRVE KVLT!!!1!!1!!
Thank you for this well constructed response. I too was scratching my head at his strange "double standard" critiques. I'm glad that you approached this subject by backing your statements with evidence. It needed to happen. Well done sir!
I've checked out some of this guy's content, most of his videos start with him making a false statement or voicing a dumb, generalizing opinion about a topic, goes on to act like he/his tastes are too good for said topic, contradicts then agrees with himself while shrugging it all off because of course he's above it all. Tool.
Exactly . Are we just going to glaze over how Liturgy pretty much redefined black metal? Even after a literal decade of being made fun of and now we start seeing similar bands crop up and Liturgy getting the respect they deserve imo.
I've always said that originality is kind of overrated. If you had to be completely original to be worth someones time, there wouldn't be very many good bands, and I think that is far from true.
A lot of people, myself included, enjoy things that are familiar. If I listen to a Black Metal band that doesn't sound like Black Metal, I'm not going to like it because I expected Black Metal and instead I got something else. Same goes for any genre, if a band is going to be innovative, they should call themselves something different.
Yeah! It's just how shit goes. When the Rolling Stones were new, they were considered Beatles clones. When Aerosmith came out, they were called Rolling Stones clones. I'm not a fan of any of those bands, but still.
@@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth I hear ya. Like you said, originality is overrated. Everything's been done before, it's just about adding your own art to the existing genres at this point. Even new genres are just combinations of already existing ones. Black Metal for example may have been original in it's presentation but the actual musical style was basically surf rock and flamenco in the minor key with distorted electric guitar, which is probably why I've been getting into surf rock and flamenco lately. Lol
@@HateMyself247 Really being original these days to get away with it you would have to have a band mix metal and country. Thing is would any one buy it?
Bands like Bolt Thrower, who has a nigh if not perfect discography, literally kept death metal alive through the 90s and early 2000s. Also Immolation wasn't appreciated until years later.
Funny he mentions Incantation and Immolation because even when Death Metal was suppossedly loosing it's shine, those bands were still respected by the counter BM movement.
His perspective is that of a tourist, an outsider looking in and subsequently shouldn't carry any value or weight for actual metal fans. I posted a reply to his death metal video and his first instinct was to say that "You probably weren't old enough to remember the old days and how it used to be", which is hilarious as he himself hates gate keeping. He has his audience, and those types can stay and watch him and Jared Dines all day long. They have a niche, and it would be nice if they stuck to it.
Black Winds Ov War i mean - i have been listening to death metal almost 30 years, I’m not sure it’s fair to say I’m an “outsider.” But you are of course entitled to your opinion!
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are not a metal head though, you are clearly a hardcore guy, the same way that I am clearly a metal head and not a hardcore guy. I've been listening to punk for almost 20 years, yet I would still consider myself an outsider or tourist as its culture, values and ethos are not mine. This is why I consider you an outsider, which I think is very fair. Personally I wouldn't expect a video I made on hardcore punk to be received super well by the serious hardcore guys, because I am not invested deep enough into it and its content to really do it justice, which is precisely how I feel about your foray into black metal. You simply dabble in it, and admit yourself you find a lot of it to be boring, which isn't really the best foundation for building an unbiased look at a very misunderstood genre. You threw out a few decent bands as shoutouts, but Aakon Keetreh and Torture, aren't even technically black metal, they are dark ambient. There are a myriad of reasons you shouldn't have made the video, but you gave your fans what they want, and the comment section really shows that intense dislike for people who take this a little more serious... Good job perpetuating the bullshit LoC created, good job cashing in on aformentioned shit storm. Props as a business man, curses as a music fan.
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are any outsider though. And much of what you say about metal is crap and one of which has never stepped out side of the mainstream metalcore/dathcore/whatever core sound you heard. You go on and on about how metal is dead. DUDE FOR BEING DEAD THEY SURE DO HAVE SOME OF THE BIGGEST FESTS EVER YEAR IN EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA. Stop being a fucking jack ass and step out side of your little box. Trust me the rest of the metal world won't hurt your little feelings.
I find it funny how he claims that death metal is dead just because it doesn't sound the way he prefers it. Who's gonna break it to him that his preferences don't sell the records or make the music.
@Death4Metal46 You sound like someone that’s willing to overlook the history of misogyny in the punk and hardcore scene. Yeah the punk and hardcore scene is “far left” but it’s also steeped in sexism. It’s been like this for decades now. Nothing has changed. The same people in the scene posting BLM will be the same dude bros covering up for their douchebag friends that harass girls in the scene.
This is one reason why I unsubscribed to him. Finn thinks he knows it all just because he has some booksmarts. One time he tried saying that EVERYONE uses autotune and when I explained to him that that's not true, he got all cocky and said hes "balls deep" into music production. That's funny because if he was that deep into it, then he should KNOW that not every successful artist in the whole fucking world uses autotune. If he tried saying that to underground hardcore fans they'd just laugh in his face!
Thanks for watching and making this! We could argue the minutiae until the cows come home but I appreciate that you watched and took the time to make this. Your point about misogyny is valid. It doesn’t make much sense to be selective about that stuff and tbh, I never even thought about what the lyrics to babykiller were. The only thing I really disagree with is people who think I “didn’t do my research” or “don’t know much about metal” simply because they disagree with my opinion. That’s just intellectually lazy. Just say you disagree, and tell me why. Thanks again, appreciate it!
Like i stated i think you did a great job with the "What Killed Death Metal" video. Your research is there and everything i would think of and more. Hopefully I didnt come off aggressive or arrogant in anyway as I was simply trying to do as you said which was to show my disagreements with my reasoning.
Using Lords of chaos as a means to get into Black Metal is some silly shit, the book has a lot of misinformation as to what happened, you should've just said go watch interviews about the 90's black metal bands from Norway. you don't have to name specific band members because of how UA-cams search engine is.
Your video on slam is fucking garbage and misses out key information on the current state of the genre. On top of that you can't stick to your principles as you "hate misogyny in slam" yet you recommend Uterovaginal Insertion of Extirpated Anomalies by Cephalotripsy. And because you ignore this you also miss out on probably the most popular band that plays that old school style of slam which is Kraanium. Your history on the genre is good bar missing out Mortician using movie samples but then it just turns into a shit show.
@@MedIevalCyrax he could also just have recommended Varg himself as source for what happened with him and the scene. Im pretty sure Varg a much more knowledgeable than Jonas Aukerland, and his testimony more true than Lords of Chaos.
I find Antifa to be stale, repetitive and boring. If they would have just stuck to their original formula of giving each other swirlies in the McDonald's bathroom and listening to Maroon 5, they'd be a lot more interesting of a movement.
I think Punk Rock MBA dislikes Black Metal because it is a right wing genre. Even if he would not admit that himself. Thats probably the main reason he dislikes it.
i dont like punk rock mbas takes on metal at all but this is a stretch considering its so obvious hes right-leaning, especially with his opinions on ratm, all the marketing shit, and the "liberal arts college" jokes
@@Abasedbymygrief Oh, guess I have not watched enough of him. Maybe he does not like black metal because it is very right wing when he seems to be more of a centrist.
@@RichardCranium. that could possibly be the reason, but he doesnt strike me to be the kind of guy to care that much about politics in his music. idk, im a socialist that loves a lot of right wing bands' music, sure its unfortunate but its no reason to hate the entire genre yknow
@@Abasedbymygrief Well I know many people get triggered by ultranationalists in black metal. But it is mostly leftists who whine about it. Not centrists or conservatives. There does not seem to be a single band on this planet that propagates center-right politics. It is also either anarcho-communist/leftist or NS/ultranationalist with nobody in the middle.
@@RichardCranium. well yeah, but also remember that black metal, politics aside, is a very inaccessible genre of music. like just because you dont enjoy it doesnt mean youre some commie
Don’t get me wrong I actually like Finn’s channel for the most part and do feel he has said some insightful things in his videos. That being said he does have a habit of sometimes making videos on things that are clearly out of his depth or realm of understanding. As can be expected, in these particular videos he often tends to make a fool of himself as he makes no real effort to understand why those who disagree with him feel the way they do and instead let’s his own biases do the talking by making up his own trivial reasons for why they don’t think the way he does (we hate popular metal sub genres because we hate bands being successful, as well as other bullshit reasons that no metalhead actually has for disliking popular music but are rather reasons that people who do like it come up with in their own heads as to why we don’t like the music that they like). Like I said I do still like his channel because when he makes videos on things that are in his wheelhouse he is very intelligent and insightful. I just wish he wouldn’t make videos on things he knows very little about if he’s not going to make the effort to educate himself
Hey dude, came from the other channel. I’m a bit under-informed on the metal side of things so i like hearing other people’s takes. I think you had some good points, and thanks for kicking more information out for us. Cheers
Dude is a walking contradiction stuck in 2005 while desperately trying to convince you that rapmetal is the next big revolutionary thing with the kids.
I know I'm a year late to the party but this was just suggested to me and I'm so glad I found you 😆 punkrockMBA is irritatingly entertaining but he's been pissing me off lately. His opinions are so fucking confusing I don't even think he knows what he likes. His videos almost always boil down to: "MeTal bAd cAuSe Not pOp" "POp gOoD cAusE caTchY" "mEloDeaTh bAd cAusE cAtcHy" "ButT roCk faNs GoOd' "mEtal fanS buLlies" "MeTal fanS bAd CauSe LARP and LARP bad"
His videos about powerviolence and hardcore I found it interesting. But i found a lot of contradictions in some of his videos, awful examples to get his point and bizarre information that I don t get the idea.
another thing i dont understand about the slam video: after laying out his very strict criteria for what slam is, he cites defeated sanity, who are decidedly not a slam band and who use lots of termolo riffs, as Trve Slam, but when he talks about “watered-down” slam he brings up extermination dismemberment, who actually do fit his strict criteria for slam and could not conceivably be called anything else
Svetlana Volkova RAC has labels and pretty big festivals still in Europe.... I told him in a comment that NS thinking isn’t exclusive to just black metal lol
Svetlana Volkova oh god that is terrible lol, he’s a Twat, he deleted at least 4 comments of knowledge from me, I did call him a faggot . Punks are sensitive lol.
I think this Punk Rock MBA guy just regurgitates random youtube comments and metal-archives reviews without any independent thought of his own. His contradictions made that painfully clear.
I like Finn, but he reminds me of the old white male teachers in high school that would always criticize “old white men” definitely tries to seem hip and progressive in his videos. His only real grief with black metal seemed to be due to nsbm being a sub-genre. He makes good videos on core, but I’m surprised he thought suggesting lords of chaos as a reference was a good idea.
His video on indie music is genuinely one of the worst music-related videos i've seen on this platform. Dude just straight up doesnt know what he's talking about
Also I agree with the melodeath part to an extent cause bands such as Intestine Baalism have melody but are still heavy Its just the Arch enemy type stuff I don't care for
Great video. I agree that I don’t care if he has his opinions, it’s more that he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t care to educate himself before making incorrect/nonsensical conjectures.
Finn is in marketing so of course he only follows trends that’s what marketers do. He’s also in his 40s and doesn’t listen to anything past 1994 he’s kind of a stuck in the mud. Dude has never listens to shit like Ad Nauseam or Imperial Triumphant because his interest died in the late 90s. He comes off as disingenuous like a lot of OSDM and OSBM fans.
It's also ironic that the development and innovation of black metal mirrors that of hardcore.. you know post-hardcore and post-black metal. How can he not see that change to be extremely innovative? Even in regards to slam, the inclusion of some of the elements are just astronomically different to standard death metal. The only thing I can figure is that he is choosing to not see it as what it is "Slam death metal".
He has some great videos that actually have facts especially his Ronnie Radke video. But god damn he can be ignorant sometimes. And I hate his woke videos.
He makes great content when he’s speaking on things he’s actually knowledgeable about and emotionally invested in. The problem is when he makes videos on things outside his wheelhouse. The “Why do people like black metal?” video is a perfect example of this. The whole thing is just him being condescending and talking down on black metal and it’s fans and giving his own biased reasoning for why he thinks that those who like it like it. It’s clear just by watching the video he never spoke to any legit black metal fans to gain their insight on what makes the genre special to them. It’s pretty insulting to a music genre’s fan base when you make a video about “why people like this type of music” and then deliver a video showing you made no effort whatsoever into actually understanding why it is that those people like said type of music.
This was a really good video. You got your point across without looking like a jerk off and attacking the guy. You made some really good points and I honestly think that that makes for a really solid discussion. You should make a follow-up video to this, where are you kind of flip it and make recommendations for slam, death and black metal for those who think that those genres are stale and boring.
He always uses those titles for his videos. He just does that to get people to click. You can guarantee he'll end up praising the genre or a group he might be talking about. He typically tries to keep it positive about everything, Except for black metal usually. He also ties stuff to more current generations because most people that watch him were born in the 90s. So that's probably why he ties in corny bands and fashion for the old scene kids and people really into screamo and metal core.
Death metal can sound any way the artists want it too. If it's brutal and fast that's great same for if it's slow and doomy. Also I'm of the beilief that raw production really elevates dissonant and avant garde styles of Death metal. Whereas very clean producion helps tech death because you can hear everything thing being played. The best thing about music is there is something for everyone. Nothing "HAS TO BE" a certain way.
I've seen a few Punk Rock MBA vids, and though entertaining, he never passes up a chance to dunk on metal, or its fans. One video he devoted to whether he could learn to like classic metal. Anybody who claims to have to force themselves to appreciate the foundational stuff, I know is just pulling my chain.
How is melodic hardcore any less ironic than melodic death metal? I think it's actually more of an oxymoronic, considering "death" is thematic, at least as a term, or descriptor, whereas hardcore is more of a description of sound, so wouldn't melodic hardcore be less hardcore? or Non hard hardcore? Why didn't he bring that up, and how does he not understand that he's a hypocrite?
All that flog says is insert metal subgenre is dead because it's stale, btw have you heard new wave pop punk and how good it is? I legit thought he was satire at first
Great video. This guy seems to shoot out of the hip and states his weird opinions as facts, although, I guess I can see how a guy who's been there 25 years ago can think he's seen it all before. Still he relates this in pretty annoying way.
I'm not a black metal fan and definitely a Death Metal fan, I can say and admit comparing the two black metal has changed and morphed into more subgenres than Death Metal ever could.
Guys like Finn are funny exactly for the reasons people in the comments seem to dislike him for, being overly confident and having consistently negative contradicting opinions.
When he recommended using Lords of Chaos as a historical source, I couldn't roll my eyes any harder. Plus in my opinion, there's always someone innovating and pushing the genres forward even if many people aren't being "unique".
Right wtf
hydra9on yep fair point! Could have named a better suggestion
The Punk Rock MBA definitely try Orville Peck
It’s country music and a lot say it’s very unique though nothing innovative as he’s just blending country and shoegaze together which he’s gotten A LOT of success from it.
it sounds like this punk rock guy dont like thesse genres....
@@alienbotfarm187he should stay in his lane & stick to making vids on mallcore
I love the fact he says that melodic death metal is too clean, polished and non-threatening, but then he'll go on to praise bands like Attack Attack, Woe is Me and Issues.
Makes no damn sense to me. I commented the same thing down to using the bands Attack Attack and Woe, Is Me as examples lol.
Another thing I failed to mention in my original comment is the fact that most of the metalcore and deathcore bands he praises in his videos (in particular bands like Shadows Fall, Darkest Hour etc) would not exist if it weren't for melodeath. Really doesn't make sense to me how he sings praises to Darkest Hour whilst in the same breath, saying bands like At the Gates are formulaic and non-threatening.
I love Attack Attack, but I 100% with your point. If it weren't for Melodic Death Metal, 2000s Metalcore would not exist.
@@speakerdestroyer425 Precisely. Newer bands take influence from older bands resulting in Metal evolving. It's been like that since Music ever started. I like Finn and he has made great videos with Factual Information regarding Hardcore and Metal, but god he can be ignorant sometimes.
Lmao, melodic death metal is what got me into metal & it's my fav genre, the fact he even said that really turned me off from his videos.
For some reason I constantly try to enjoy Finns videos. For me, his taste isn't the main issue. It's how disrespectful and holier than thou he is. Everything he doesn't like is for nerds or drug addicts and everything he likes is cutting edge and normal. He doesn't hold himself to the same standards. He doesn't poke fun at himself. He just comes off as an asshole most of the time.
he dont like these genres, its pretty clear...
And he thinks he’s being different by liking mainstream artists… dude it’s 2023. Most metal bands (pick your genre, yeah even black metal bands) like some pretty mainstream artists too. Not that unique.
Finn is the king of bad takes. Its hard to take anything he says seriously when he says shit like Emo Rap is the future of punk rock.
Dude hurts my head. When he brought up how NSBM exists then Doesn’t at all mention that there’s a whole sub genre of racist skinhead hard-core. Chode.
talks about misogyny, said he isn't going to add bands that have those themes - plays Cephalotripsy 5 minutes later with the infamous baby torn from woman's uterus on an operating table cover.
Everything sucks. Music sucks. Scenes are teh ghey. Its all boring and full of hipsters trying to make everything sound super important, deep and intellectual.
He won’t acknowledge Queer punk at all. Whenever I bring it up he has ignored it. He lost me when he said he loved blaire white 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Oh hey mark!
I mean all of that stuff is just for shits and giggles. It's just juvenile braindead fun, just like the music.
Ghey4mane
>“Black metal is boring because the imagery is stale and the forced edginess is laughable”
>praises and loves old school slam despite it being insanely edgy and every album cover being some ridiculous gore-fest
This isn’t a criticism of slam, but just another hole worth pointing out in the logic
Not to mention this guy worships punk, a genre defined by artsy middle class suburban white boys singing "Fuck the government!" whilst never actually lifting a finger to do anything about the government.
People would rather complain about "misogynistic" lyrics in brutal death metal, than the dozens upon dozens of mainstream artists across multiple genres who have actually hurt/abused women and underage kids
Priorities
Troy Srebro this is true. It’s troubling that people like chris brown still have careers
@Danny Dircio or the guy from As I Lay Dying who tried to hire someone to kill his wife
@The Darkcel Podcast every scene probably has at least one sick fuck who wants to use music, money and power to hurt and abuse people. Hell, a local heavy trapper from my scene got busted trying to hit up high-school chicks. The solution is holding these fuckers accountable when they get caught and keeping our circles clean
@Danny Which bands are Pedo?
Irony
Also am I the only one who notices that he compares everything to metalcore
His favorite thing is punk music and hardcore
@@notsure2696 And who gets to decide who's a "pretender" and who's not? You? Who THE FUCK are you?
I kind of agree with TPRMBA on his point about black metal and I think it applies to the metal community as a whole and your comment is a perfect example of it: the fucking pretention and gatekeeping. It's honestly just fucking juvenile and boring. Like seriously-who. the fuck. are you? Why should literally anyone give a fuck about your opinion?
Let people enjoy the music they fucking like. And you do not need to commit 100% to a particular scene to be "valid" in enjoying that scene's music.
@@notsure2696 "the metal community is not to be disrespected by pretenders" that shit sounds so elitist and pretentious. Like get off your high horse no music is superior other forms of music and if you think so you probably have never gotten laid and are too busy circle jerking other metalheads
@@Glaamdring The Punk Rock MBA says he's against gatekeeping then he trashes black metal, ska, street punk and calls any rock on the radio butt rock. Then when someone says to him, "they like black metal for the same reason you like punk." The Punk Rock MBA responds, "I don't like punk that much tbh." The dude changes narratives when convenient and gatekeeps when convenient. He gets justifiably criticized for that. Also his source of information on black metal is the highly discredited Lords of Chaos. Just all around bad.
Nothing wrong with that lul, Id say as for now its the most relevant of all metal genres
Yeah I wondered why all his titles are all "What killed __________" it's clickbaity as hell.
And the thumbnails with fucking emojis? it's like he's targeting little kids
@@Drinkwithclass Yeah it's a generic way UA-camrs get views. Nothing against Trogly Guitar but he also uses emojis on his thumbnails.
@Lord Amraphel I think in the case of most content creators the goal out weights the effort put in the videos. If they put as much effort on research and presentation as they do their advertising, thumbnails, and titles we'd have a lot less disappointments or spotty repetitive content.
Also, none of the genres I've ever seen him say have been "killed" are actually dead?
@@horrormoviemetalfan8642 isn't that literally the point of UA-cam?
And this "Punk Rock MBA" guy doesn't like anything that comes outside of the US, so everything outside the US doesn't exist for him, with some very rare exclusions.
the biggest problem I have with him is that the dude thinks, THINKS, he knows everything. The dude speaks as if his word is law on everything he talks about. Dude has admitted to not being an expert on certain genres. but the problem is he just needs everyone to think he knows everything. dude is fucking annoying when he speaks like that.
Finn is just a hardcore kid all grown up.
He has no clue about death metal or black metal.
Danny Dircio which is what’s poppin rn In Hardcore.
Yes he does know Death Metal and Slam I give him credit there just not with Black Metal
@@biblicaladrian6007 nah, didn’t mention Internal Bleeding, Scattered Remnants, Afterbirth,
@Adolf Stalin There's some truth to that, but imo early hardcore punk is a lot more diverse in some ways, plus you're not taking into the style of each drummer which drastically sets each band apart regardless of the actual beats/time signatures being played. Yes, there's some repetition and monotony in terms of bands sounding like each other, but that's really with any genre. And that probably means you're not looking hard enough for good shit
@Adolf Stalin Love all those bands, totally agree about the politics
It’s also ironic to hear comments about a lack of innovation coming from a punk/hardcore guy.
Shhh don’t mention how every hardcore band is basically a Hatebreed breakdown. I do love me some hardcore breakdowns tho just pointing out the obvious.
The Lords of Chaos part made my skin crawl. Also this guy clearly didn't listen to much Black Metal...
And what little he does listen to is garbage
meh, he makes it pretty clear that he doesn’t listen to much black metal. you can question why he would choose to make a video about it, but whatever, he can videos about whatever crap he wants I guess.
Good
“why do people like black metal” I don’t know, maybe be should just ASK PEOPLE WHO PREDOMINANTLY LISTEN TO BLACK METAL
“Slam is sexist” met his wife when she was in high school and he was a grown man.
Now that i know he is the former Sergeant D from Metalcucks, I understand why his content annoys me so much and that he has stuck to his do the bare minimum research for everything i produce way of doing things.
Cory Kamermans can you give me more detail on what makes you think I don’t do research?
@@ThePunkRockMBA im gonna poop on you
@@ThePunkRockMBA Well the fact that you get information wrong? lol That would be the first thing. I realize your not as well versed in metal as others but C'mon some of the stuff you get wrong is novice level, A simple google search to check your work before you publish would be good. I know very little about Metalcore but if i was to make a video about it i'd check to make sure my sources are correct and that i'm not just going off one article, book or blog source. If you think i'm being too much of a stickler, so be it. But i did like your content before you started passing off wrong information as accurate.
@@ThePunkRockMBA Replying to every comment in this video just to see someone call you out on your Bullshit, Eh? Pathetic.
Wow, I had no idea that he was the guy behind Stuff You Will Hate!
Punk Rock MBA is hella annoying. The guy is overly-confident, under-researched, and speaks with an unfounded authority. His criticisms are extremely surface level. I feel like I’m being lectured by some PR agent. He the type of guy that would try and push Dead Kennedy branded Crocs.
that MBA at the end, really going to his head.....
If his feelings get hurt this easy maybe slam just ain’t for him. Also complete hypocrisy, he doesn’t like “misogyny” but is totally cool with all the other stuff, total virtue signaling.
He also recommended Cephalotripsy's debut which is a very misogynistic album. It shows a complete lack of principles when it comes to music taste.
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a twat for many reasons but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily virtue signaling. I despise feminists and SJWs but I don't like music that objectifies or degrades women or songs that glorify drugs either, however I've got no problem listening to music about murder, satanism, or any of that other shit. The reason for that is simple, when metal bands talk about killing people or worshiping satan it's obvious they're bullshitting. It's supposed to be shocking and scary. When bands talk shit about women or glorify drugs, it's 50 -50. Some are doing it because they're trying to shock people, others totally believe the things they're saying. If I know they're bullshitting it doesn't bother me, if I don't know or if I know for a fact they're serious, I won't listen to it. For example, I'll listen to Cannibal Corpse's many rape related songs, but I won't go near 99.9% of rap music, simply because I know that George Fisher is bullshitting and most rappers actually see women as objects.
What do you expect from a former writer of metalsucks?.
@Adolf Stalin punk rockers are the most self-absorbed dipshits I ever met in my life.
bro the “misogyny” in slam is why i’m such a slammerhead shark, gotta love that sh!t, man.
Cant fucking stand this dude. I gave some of his videos a chance. And I get so annoyed that I just cut them off. He doesnt seem to know what he is talking about half the time, he uses clickbait, & he gives off so much misleading information. Its impossible to watch almost any of his videos. Glad someone finally made a video on this dude.
His complaint about melodic death sounds like the complaints the 2nd wave of black metal had against most Death metal of their time.
Thank you for making this. He has been pissing me off. The cringe is real
I'm so happy someone did a video about that dude...
Mmm just seems like a typical know it all hardcore kid
in his 40's haha
The stand of hair across your forehead is driving me actually insane
How do you even notice it?😆😆
Glad I wasn't the only one 😂😂
Too greasy
SAME LOL
1:20 I love how Finn cut the song at exactly the right time before a slightly misogynistic lyric happens…
Punk MBA is a hipster and poser who doesn't know what he's talking about half of the time.
I don't get his dislike for melodic death metal but listens to shit like Attack Attack and Woe, Is Me which about 100 times more overproduced and clean sounding.
2:51 Someone send him an Arghoslent album!
Dean H lol great band and album! Punk rock MBA is a pussy , he’s today’s male feminist ...can’t take criticism and morbid lyrics.
Adolf Stalin I agree, total hypocrites
@Adolf Stalin I'd argue it's the younger ones that are more progressive. Keep in mind hardcores been around since the early 80's. This guy grew up on a that 2000's moshy bullshit.
Sergio nah fuck you 🖕🏽😈
@Adolf Stalin old hardcore dude here!.. and far from a progressive.. much more a centrist, depend on topics. However, you're right... especially on new kids. Sure, hc is more politically charged than metal and certainly more on liberal side of things. But, its was not like that back in the days. Certainly not like today, a communist boot camp. Back in the days, there's hardcore for everyone on the political spectrum. NYHC / tough guy shit / Heavy hardcore and beatdown stuff (OG stuff, not this kind of modern deathcore-ish stuff like nowadays) for thuggish and apolitical dudes with XXXXL clothes, VeganXedge shit for hippie disguise as hardcore kids, some patriotic and conservatives bands for skinheads and right wing religious hc kids, even n*zi bands still exists at this time. (NSHC anyone !?) Hardcore was a middle ground between punk and metal. When you'd goes to the show you could saw, punk, metalheads, skins, weirdos, straight edge, legit gang members..But, the main differences with today, its was the whole PC / veganXedge / militants scene was simply just another scenes among others. Pretty cringy and avoidable if you asked me, some metallic hardcore bands was musically enjoyable, but their whole progressive stance, turning me off.. Back then, I was more into tough guy shit. Nowadays, almost nothing of diversity of opinions in the hardcore world left, every bands is a bunch of leftist militant who's hate trump, want globalisation and hates working class average joe. There's a bunch of rich middle class sjw activists. Goes on hate5six yt page and you could saw the sad state of nowadays hardcore. This is why i said fuck off i quit... i love metal too, its the first kind of music i enjoyed before hardcore and punk ? so, im back in with my first love for extreme metal. and i don't regret it.
He has also been very misogynistic in the videos where he talks about women in the different scenes he claims to love. In his latest video he said: I wanted to invite a girl to talk about the female experience in rock but as I don't want to make this "more controversial" and lose views.
When he said this I commented in all kind-heart suggesting him to lose some views the next time he attempted to pass his male gaze into explicitly female issues because from his "punk-hardcore" origin story it made sense to me for him to make some people uncomfortable for the good of a community and he said "nah disagree" proving that his fake criticism of misogyny should be applied to him as well.
That’s the biggest issue about him in general, he didn’t know how to take criticism. He didn’t put any effort to understand where he might be lacking in. He wouldn’t admit where he’s wrong and uninformed and would lump everyone who criticised him as just haters 🤣. There’re so many people that were actually really nice at him when criticising but he always replied with stubborn attitude or ‘well they should watch my video all the way through I also said nice thing about this genre’. We know that, that’s why we try to reasoned nicely with you on things you get wrong on, because we thought you’re a reasonable dude yourself. But nope, he thought mentioning the ‘pOsiTivE siDe’ is proof that he is in the right and he’s the nice guy 🤦🏻. He wasn’t really a person that you can reason with. The ‘positive sides’ and ‘lessons’ that he put at the end of each video is just a video formula.
I like the stubborn attitude tbh. Reminded me of few punk zine writers that I used to love reading. I myself was like that at some point in my life 🤣. I like his video still but yeah Finn isn’t someone that I would go to for an unbiased ‘genre breakdown’ video.
I actually enjoy his videos too, but I find it RIDICULOUSLY ironic that he doesn’t like black metal bc it’s “Generic, trying to hard to be edgy, there’s no innovation.” Like okay, find me a super innovative hardcore band that isn’t like every other hardcore band.
He never said it wasn’t true of hardcore. But hardcore doesn’t perceive itself as outsider art like black metal does lol. Hardcore knows what it is where black metal acts like it’s something it’s not.
I love the fact you mentioned the _One Man Metal_ doc: I absolutely love it and find myself mystified with Jef and Scott's mind set, and while I did like Russel's interviews as well, he's become more hilarious as the years have gone on with his Blackwave shit.
Also "Black Metal is repetitive and edgy". *looks at Alcest, Deathspell Omega, KFR, Blut aus Nord, Leviathan, Xasthur, ect ect*.
...Bruh, not every fucking band is a Burzum rip off.
Striborg was cringy as fuck even when he was doing straight up black metal lol The part in the video where he was in that cave or whatever wearing a hood and corpse paint and starts shrieking? Please 🤣
@@midwesternabyss679 That was Hilarious.
bruh sound effect #2
Lol I feel bad for Striborg he's trying so hard to make Blackwave a thing
I like all of their music, but Jef and Scott were the only guys who seemed sincere and not like they were just trying to be edgy and TRVE KVLT!!!1!!1!!
Thank you for this well constructed response. I too was scratching my head at his strange "double standard" critiques. I'm glad that you approached this subject by backing your statements with evidence. It needed to happen. Well done sir!
I've checked out some of this guy's content, most of his videos start with him making a false statement or voicing a dumb, generalizing opinion about a topic, goes on to act like he/his tastes are too good for said topic, contradicts then agrees with himself while shrugging it all off because of course he's above it all.
Tool.
There's so much more to Black Metal than just Mayhem. It's fused with literally any genre you could think of and more!
Exactly . Are we just going to glaze over how Liturgy pretty much redefined black metal? Even after a literal decade of being made fun of and now we start seeing similar bands crop up and Liturgy getting the respect they deserve imo.
If you think death and black metal are stagnant, and have no experimentation...then you probably don't listen to much.
Probably thinks bands like ulcerate, Portal and imperial triumphant are generic for some odd fucking reason
Perfect 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I've always said that originality is kind of overrated. If you had to be completely original to be worth someones time, there wouldn't be very many good bands, and I think that is far from true.
A lot of people, myself included, enjoy things that are familiar. If I listen to a Black Metal band that doesn't sound like Black Metal, I'm not going to like it because I expected Black Metal and instead I got something else. Same goes for any genre, if a band is going to be innovative, they should call themselves something different.
Yeah! It's just how shit goes. When the Rolling Stones were new, they were considered Beatles clones. When Aerosmith came out, they were called Rolling Stones clones. I'm not a fan of any of those bands, but still.
@@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth I hear ya. Like you said, originality is overrated. Everything's been done before, it's just about adding your own art to the existing genres at this point. Even new genres are just combinations of already existing ones. Black Metal for example may have been original in it's presentation but the actual musical style was basically surf rock and flamenco in the minor key with distorted electric guitar, which is probably why I've been getting into surf rock and flamenco lately. Lol
@@HateMyself247 Really being original these days to get away with it you would have to have a band mix metal and country. Thing is would any one buy it?
@evacody1249 spirit world is a country metal mix
Bands like Bolt Thrower, who has a nigh if not perfect discography, literally kept death metal alive through the 90s and early 2000s. Also Immolation wasn't appreciated until years later.
Funny he mentions Incantation and Immolation because even when Death Metal was suppossedly loosing it's shine, those bands were still respected by the counter BM movement.
Way late in this one. Totally agree. This Finn joker has no clue, a total wipeass.
I am so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is a total try hard spud.
His perspective is that of a tourist, an outsider looking in and subsequently shouldn't carry any value or weight for actual metal fans. I posted a reply to his death metal video and his first instinct was to say that "You probably weren't old enough to remember the old days and how it used to be", which is hilarious as he himself hates gate keeping. He has his audience, and those types can stay and watch him and Jared Dines all day long. They have a niche, and it would be nice if they stuck to it.
Black Winds Ov War i mean - i have been listening to death metal almost 30 years, I’m not sure it’s fair to say I’m an “outsider.” But you are of course entitled to your opinion!
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are not a metal head though, you are clearly a hardcore guy, the same way that I am clearly a metal head and not a hardcore guy. I've been listening to punk for almost 20 years, yet I would still consider myself an outsider or tourist as its culture, values and ethos are not mine. This is why I consider you an outsider, which I think is very fair. Personally I wouldn't expect a video I made on hardcore punk to be received super well by the serious hardcore guys, because I am not invested deep enough into it and its content to really do it justice, which is precisely how I feel about your foray into black metal. You simply dabble in it, and admit yourself you find a lot of it to be boring, which isn't really the best foundation for building an unbiased look at a very misunderstood genre. You threw out a few decent bands as shoutouts, but Aakon Keetreh and Torture, aren't even technically black metal, they are dark ambient. There are a myriad of reasons you shouldn't have made the video, but you gave your fans what they want, and the comment section really shows that intense dislike for people who take this a little more serious... Good job perpetuating the bullshit LoC created, good job cashing in on aformentioned shit storm. Props as a business man, curses as a music fan.
Black Winds Ov War took the words right out my mouth man
Black Winds Ov War well done 👏🏼, mad respect
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are any outsider though. And much of what you say about metal is crap and one of which has never stepped out side of the mainstream metalcore/dathcore/whatever core sound you heard.
You go on and on about how metal is dead. DUDE FOR BEING DEAD THEY SURE DO HAVE SOME OF THE BIGGEST FESTS EVER YEAR IN EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA. Stop being a fucking jack ass and step out side of your little box. Trust me the rest of the metal world won't hurt your little feelings.
I find it funny how he claims that death metal is dead just because it doesn't sound the way he prefers it. Who's gonna break it to him that his preferences don't sell the records or make the music.
lol that seemed like his arguement in all vids, thats the conclusion he came to, well its not what i like so its dead....
I find it hilarious that he denounces Slam Death Metal for being misogynistic while being a member of the Hardcore scene. 😂
@Death4Metal46 You sound like someone that’s willing to overlook the history of misogyny in the punk and hardcore scene. Yeah the punk and hardcore scene is “far left” but it’s also steeped in sexism. It’s been like this for decades now. Nothing has changed. The same people in the scene posting BLM will be the same dude bros covering up for their douchebag friends that harass girls in the scene.
This is one reason why I unsubscribed to him. Finn thinks he knows it all just because he has some booksmarts.
One time he tried saying that EVERYONE uses autotune and when I explained to him that that's not true, he got all cocky and said hes "balls deep" into music production. That's funny because if he was that deep into it, then he should KNOW that not every successful artist in the whole fucking world uses autotune. If he tried saying that to underground hardcore fans they'd just laugh in his face!
Not even all pop groups and singers use auto tune. Most "indie" bands don't use auto tune. The list goes on and on....
Almost every major label release has pitch correction more likely melodyne than autotune
Thanks for watching and making this! We could argue the minutiae until the cows come home but I appreciate that you watched and took the time to make this.
Your point about misogyny is valid. It doesn’t make much sense to be selective about that stuff and tbh, I never even thought about what the lyrics to babykiller were.
The only thing I really disagree with is people who think I “didn’t do my research” or “don’t know much about metal” simply because they disagree with my opinion. That’s just intellectually lazy. Just say you disagree, and tell me why.
Thanks again, appreciate it!
The Punk Rock MBA
Lord of chaos as a historical source.
Good research.
Like i stated i think you did a great job with the "What Killed Death Metal" video. Your research is there and everything i would think of and more.
Hopefully I didnt come off aggressive or arrogant in anyway as I was simply trying to do as you said which was to show my disagreements with my reasoning.
Using Lords of chaos as a means to get into Black Metal is some silly shit, the book has a lot of misinformation as to what happened, you should've just said go watch interviews about the 90's black metal bands from Norway.
you don't have to name specific band members because of how UA-cams search engine is.
Your video on slam is fucking garbage and misses out key information on the current state of the genre. On top of that you can't stick to your principles as you "hate misogyny in slam" yet you recommend Uterovaginal Insertion of Extirpated Anomalies by Cephalotripsy. And because you ignore this you also miss out on probably the most popular band that plays that old school style of slam which is Kraanium. Your history on the genre is good bar missing out Mortician using movie samples but then it just turns into a shit show.
@@MedIevalCyrax he could also just have recommended Varg himself as source for what happened with him and the scene. Im pretty sure Varg a much more knowledgeable than Jonas Aukerland, and his testimony more true than Lords of Chaos.
I find Antifa to be stale, repetitive and boring. If they would have just stuck to their original formula of giving each other swirlies in the McDonald's bathroom and listening to Maroon 5, they'd be a lot more interesting of a movement.
I think Punk Rock MBA dislikes Black Metal because it is a right wing genre. Even if he would not admit that himself. Thats probably the main reason he dislikes it.
i dont like punk rock mbas takes on metal at all but this is a stretch considering its so obvious hes right-leaning, especially with his opinions on ratm, all the marketing shit, and the "liberal arts college" jokes
@@Abasedbymygrief Oh, guess I have not watched enough of him. Maybe he does not like black metal because it is very right wing when he seems to be more of a centrist.
@@RichardCranium. that could possibly be the reason, but he doesnt strike me to be the kind of guy to care that much about politics in his music. idk, im a socialist that loves a lot of right wing bands' music, sure its unfortunate but its no reason to hate the entire genre yknow
@@Abasedbymygrief Well I know many people get triggered by ultranationalists in black metal. But it is mostly leftists who whine about it. Not centrists or conservatives. There does not seem to be a single band on this planet that propagates center-right politics. It is also either anarcho-communist/leftist or NS/ultranationalist with nobody in the middle.
@@RichardCranium. well yeah, but also remember that black metal, politics aside, is a very inaccessible genre of music. like just because you dont enjoy it doesnt mean youre some commie
Don’t get me wrong I actually like Finn’s channel for the most part and do feel he has said some insightful things in his videos. That being said he does have a habit of sometimes making videos on things that are clearly out of his depth or realm of understanding. As can be expected, in these particular videos he often tends to make a fool of himself as he makes no real effort to understand why those who disagree with him feel the way they do and instead let’s his own biases do the talking by making up his own trivial reasons for why they don’t think the way he does (we hate popular metal sub genres because we hate bands being successful, as well as other bullshit reasons that no metalhead actually has for disliking popular music but are rather reasons that people who do like it come up with in their own heads as to why we don’t like the music that they like). Like I said I do still like his channel because when he makes videos on things that are in his wheelhouse he is very intelligent and insightful. I just wish he wouldn’t make videos on things he knows very little about if he’s not going to make the effort to educate himself
it sounds like he dont like these genres, plain and simple....
Hey dude, came from the other channel. I’m a bit under-informed on the metal side of things so i like hearing other people’s takes. I think you had some good points, and thanks for kicking more information out for us. Cheers
His clickbait titles are insufferable.
Dude is a walking contradiction stuck in 2005 while desperately trying to convince you that rapmetal is the next big revolutionary thing with the kids.
Simply put;
He’s a normie
I know I'm a year late to the party but this was just suggested to me and I'm so glad I found you 😆 punkrockMBA is irritatingly entertaining but he's been pissing me off lately. His opinions are so fucking confusing I don't even think he knows what he likes. His videos almost always boil down to:
"MeTal bAd cAuSe Not pOp"
"POp gOoD cAusE caTchY"
"mEloDeaTh bAd cAusE cAtcHy"
"ButT roCk faNs GoOd'
"mEtal fanS buLlies"
"MeTal fanS bAd CauSe LARP and LARP bad"
saying a genre is dead just means you arent paying attention, plain and simple, its also corny asf
Doesn't this dude like pop punk? Which is a massively masochistic repetitive boring genre...odd
(skiz) every genre has their fair share of generic, repetitive bands. This doesn’t mean the genre is null and void.
His videos about powerviolence and hardcore I found it interesting. But i found a lot of contradictions in some of his videos, awful examples to get his point and bizarre information that I don t get the idea.
He's a good content creator but yeah his critiques of metal come across as pretty lazy for how boisterously he presents them.
The guy is clearly a hardcore fan. A genre which itself hasn’t even progressed much either.
another thing i dont understand about the slam video: after laying out his very strict criteria for what slam is, he cites defeated sanity, who are decidedly not a slam band and who use lots of termolo riffs, as Trve Slam, but when he talks about “watered-down” slam he brings up extermination dismemberment, who actually do fit his strict criteria for slam and could not conceivably be called anything else
Yeah, he should stay in his lane. He sounds pretty ignorant on metal. I'm glad you made this response video
One of the reasons he’s not into black metal is because of nsbm...but he listens to punk😂like whattttt
Svetlana Volkova RAC has labels and pretty big festivals still in Europe.... I told him in a comment that NS thinking isn’t exclusive to just black metal lol
Svetlana Volkova yeah he totally denies RAC /hatecore exist in the 80’s & 90’s. But black metal is all NS🤦🏻♂️, smh
Ishitonyou666 he said that all punk is antifa and sjw when I commented under his video...completely denied it😂
CARACH ANGREN FAN his idea of death metal is probably deathcore in his mind, based on the amount of “knowledge” (if you can even call it that) he has
Svetlana Volkova oh god that is terrible lol, he’s a Twat, he deleted at least 4 comments of knowledge from me, I did call him a faggot . Punks are sensitive lol.
I think this Punk Rock MBA guy just regurgitates random youtube comments and metal-archives reviews without any independent thought of his own. His contradictions made that painfully clear.
Thank you for saying exactly what I've been yelling at my phone every time he makes a new upload
I like Finn, but he reminds me of the old white male teachers in high school that would always criticize “old white men” definitely tries to seem hip and progressive in his videos. His only real grief with black metal seemed to be due to nsbm being a sub-genre. He makes good videos on core, but I’m surprised he thought suggesting lords of chaos as a reference was a good idea.
It's a great way to get and keep sponsors by pretending to be progressive.
Think long and hard about how white your old teachers were...
On one video Black Metal is: Raw, chaotic, experimental
On another video Black Metal is: Boring music, boring forced edginess, boring recycled imagery
His video on indie music is genuinely one of the worst music-related videos i've seen on this platform. Dude just straight up doesnt know what he's talking about
Also I agree with the melodeath part to an extent cause bands such as Intestine Baalism have melody but are still heavy
Its just the Arch enemy type stuff I don't care for
definitely same here but to say "it shouldnt exist" entirely is where you're missing out on some gems.
he called kim kardashian the most famous person on the planet???????????? wtf
MBA is PDF file
Great video. I agree that I don’t care if he has his opinions, it’s more that he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t care to educate himself before making incorrect/nonsensical conjectures.
His death metal video pissed me off the most
Me as well!
Hes a clueless dork. I think he just researches bands to make himself sound knowledgable.
Why do you give a shit. Fuck off
Punk Rock MBA sucks, Its a shame the he is one of the forefront commentators on "punk".
Finn is in marketing so of course he only follows trends that’s what marketers do. He’s also in his 40s and doesn’t listen to anything past 1994 he’s kind of a stuck in the mud. Dude has never listens to shit like Ad Nauseam or Imperial Triumphant because his interest died in the late 90s. He comes off as disingenuous like a lot of OSDM and OSBM fans.
Going through the back catalog, you never miss!
It's also ironic that the development and innovation of black metal mirrors that of hardcore.. you know post-hardcore and post-black metal. How can he not see that change to be extremely innovative? Even in regards to slam, the inclusion of some of the elements are just astronomically different to standard death metal. The only thing I can figure is that he is choosing to not see it as what it is "Slam death metal".
for the incoming Finn Simps
your middle aged daddy lost get over it
i admired your response,criticism to punk rock mba.nice job wyattxhim.👍.
He has some great videos that actually have facts especially his Ronnie Radke video. But god damn he can be ignorant sometimes. And I hate his woke videos.
He makes great content when he’s speaking on things he’s actually knowledgeable about and emotionally invested in. The problem is when he makes videos on things outside his wheelhouse. The “Why do people like black metal?” video is a perfect example of this. The whole thing is just him being condescending and talking down on black metal and it’s fans and giving his own biased reasoning for why he thinks that those who like it like it. It’s clear just by watching the video he never spoke to any legit black metal fans to gain their insight on what makes the genre special to them. It’s pretty insulting to a music genre’s fan base when you make a video about “why people like this type of music” and then deliver a video showing you made no effort whatsoever into actually understanding why it is that those people like said type of music.
Finn’s a businessman, simple as that. From a business perspective he’s good, from an artistic and historical perspective he’s spotty at best.
This was a really good video. You got your point across without looking like a jerk off and attacking the guy. You made some really good points and I honestly think that that makes for a really solid discussion.
You should make a follow-up video to this, where are you kind of flip it and make recommendations for slam, death and black metal for those who think that those genres are stale and boring.
He always uses those titles for his videos. He just does that to get people to click. You can guarantee he'll end up praising the genre or a group he might be talking about. He typically tries to keep it positive about everything, Except for black metal usually. He also ties stuff to more current generations because most people that watch him were born in the 90s. So that's probably why he ties in corny bands and fashion for the old scene kids and people really into screamo and metal core.
Death metal can sound any way the artists want it too. If it's brutal and fast that's great same for if it's slow and doomy. Also I'm of the beilief that raw production really elevates dissonant and avant garde styles of Death metal. Whereas very clean producion helps tech death because you can hear everything thing being played. The best thing about music is there is something for everyone. Nothing "HAS TO BE" a certain way.
I wanna hear kim kardashian name 3 morbid angel songs.
I've seen a few Punk Rock MBA vids, and though entertaining, he never passes up a chance to dunk on metal, or its fans. One video he devoted to whether he could learn to like classic metal. Anybody who claims to have to force themselves to appreciate the foundational stuff, I know is just pulling my chain.
Lords of Chaos....meh. I used to really like that book. But now I see things differently. Glad Necrobutcher had nothing to do with that book.
This guy MBA always contradicts himself, who cares about his opinions, this coming from a guy that likes Blink 182
Cold heartily agree with you!
Immolations highlights were the entires 90s. How did they sound dated?
How is melodic hardcore any less ironic than melodic death metal? I think it's actually more of an oxymoronic, considering "death" is thematic, at least as a term, or descriptor, whereas hardcore is more of a description of sound, so wouldn't melodic hardcore be less hardcore? or Non hard hardcore? Why didn't he bring that up, and how does he not understand that he's a hypocrite?
Why does every genre of Metal needs to be super intimidating.
All that flog says is insert metal subgenre is dead because it's stale, btw have you heard new wave pop punk and how good it is? I legit thought he was satire at first
I think he started a popular series and wants to keep it going but may be running a bit thin with the content since hes done so many now.
RED JUMPSUIT APPARATUS DARKTHRONE CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD
Dude in metal core thats enough said
His channel and opinions are full cringe, but youtube is hellbent on recommending people watch it... I really shouldn't be surprised by that I guess.
Great video. This guy seems to shoot out of the hip and states his weird opinions as facts, although, I guess I can see how a guy who's been there 25 years ago can think he's seen it all before. Still he relates this in pretty annoying way.
I'm not a black metal fan and definitely a Death Metal fan, I can say and admit comparing the two black metal has changed and morphed into more subgenres than Death Metal ever could.
Guys like Finn are funny exactly for the reasons people in the comments seem to dislike him for, being overly confident and having consistently negative contradicting opinions.