When he recommended using Lords of Chaos as a historical source, I couldn't roll my eyes any harder. Plus in my opinion, there's always someone innovating and pushing the genres forward even if many people aren't being "unique".
The Punk Rock MBA definitely try Orville Peck It’s country music and a lot say it’s very unique though nothing innovative as he’s just blending country and shoegaze together which he’s gotten A LOT of success from it.
>“Black metal is boring because the imagery is stale and the forced edginess is laughable” >praises and loves old school slam despite it being insanely edgy and every album cover being some ridiculous gore-fest This isn’t a criticism of slam, but just another hole worth pointing out in the logic
Not to mention this guy worships punk, a genre defined by artsy middle class suburban white boys singing "Fuck the government!" whilst never actually lifting a finger to do anything about the government.
I love the fact he says that melodic death metal is too clean, polished and non-threatening, but then he'll go on to praise bands like Attack Attack, Woe is Me and Issues.
Another thing I failed to mention in my original comment is the fact that most of the metalcore and deathcore bands he praises in his videos (in particular bands like Shadows Fall, Darkest Hour etc) would not exist if it weren't for melodeath. Really doesn't make sense to me how he sings praises to Darkest Hour whilst in the same breath, saying bands like At the Gates are formulaic and non-threatening.
@@speakerdestroyer425 Precisely. Newer bands take influence from older bands resulting in Metal evolving. It's been like that since Music ever started. I like Finn and he has made great videos with Factual Information regarding Hardcore and Metal, but god he can be ignorant sometimes.
For some reason I constantly try to enjoy Finns videos. For me, his taste isn't the main issue. It's how disrespectful and holier than thou he is. Everything he doesn't like is for nerds or drug addicts and everything he likes is cutting edge and normal. He doesn't hold himself to the same standards. He doesn't poke fun at himself. He just comes off as an asshole most of the time.
And he thinks he’s being different by liking mainstream artists… dude it’s 2023. Most metal bands (pick your genre, yeah even black metal bands) like some pretty mainstream artists too. Not that unique.
People would rather complain about "misogynistic" lyrics in brutal death metal, than the dozens upon dozens of mainstream artists across multiple genres who have actually hurt/abused women and underage kids Priorities
@The Darkcel Podcast every scene probably has at least one sick fuck who wants to use music, money and power to hurt and abuse people. Hell, a local heavy trapper from my scene got busted trying to hit up high-school chicks. The solution is holding these fuckers accountable when they get caught and keeping our circles clean
talks about misogyny, said he isn't going to add bands that have those themes - plays Cephalotripsy 5 minutes later with the infamous baby torn from woman's uterus on an operating table cover.
Everything sucks. Music sucks. Scenes are teh ghey. Its all boring and full of hipsters trying to make everything sound super important, deep and intellectual.
the biggest problem I have with him is that the dude thinks, THINKS, he knows everything. The dude speaks as if his word is law on everything he talks about. Dude has admitted to not being an expert on certain genres. but the problem is he just needs everyone to think he knows everything. dude is fucking annoying when he speaks like that.
His perspective is that of a tourist, an outsider looking in and subsequently shouldn't carry any value or weight for actual metal fans. I posted a reply to his death metal video and his first instinct was to say that "You probably weren't old enough to remember the old days and how it used to be", which is hilarious as he himself hates gate keeping. He has his audience, and those types can stay and watch him and Jared Dines all day long. They have a niche, and it would be nice if they stuck to it.
Black Winds Ov War i mean - i have been listening to death metal almost 30 years, I’m not sure it’s fair to say I’m an “outsider.” But you are of course entitled to your opinion!
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are not a metal head though, you are clearly a hardcore guy, the same way that I am clearly a metal head and not a hardcore guy. I've been listening to punk for almost 20 years, yet I would still consider myself an outsider or tourist as its culture, values and ethos are not mine. This is why I consider you an outsider, which I think is very fair. Personally I wouldn't expect a video I made on hardcore punk to be received super well by the serious hardcore guys, because I am not invested deep enough into it and its content to really do it justice, which is precisely how I feel about your foray into black metal. You simply dabble in it, and admit yourself you find a lot of it to be boring, which isn't really the best foundation for building an unbiased look at a very misunderstood genre. You threw out a few decent bands as shoutouts, but Aakon Keetreh and Torture, aren't even technically black metal, they are dark ambient. There are a myriad of reasons you shouldn't have made the video, but you gave your fans what they want, and the comment section really shows that intense dislike for people who take this a little more serious... Good job perpetuating the bullshit LoC created, good job cashing in on aformentioned shit storm. Props as a business man, curses as a music fan.
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are any outsider though. And much of what you say about metal is crap and one of which has never stepped out side of the mainstream metalcore/dathcore/whatever core sound you heard. You go on and on about how metal is dead. DUDE FOR BEING DEAD THEY SURE DO HAVE SOME OF THE BIGGEST FESTS EVER YEAR IN EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA. Stop being a fucking jack ass and step out side of your little box. Trust me the rest of the metal world won't hurt your little feelings.
@@notsure2696 And who gets to decide who's a "pretender" and who's not? You? Who THE FUCK are you? I kind of agree with TPRMBA on his point about black metal and I think it applies to the metal community as a whole and your comment is a perfect example of it: the fucking pretention and gatekeeping. It's honestly just fucking juvenile and boring. Like seriously-who. the fuck. are you? Why should literally anyone give a fuck about your opinion? Let people enjoy the music they fucking like. And you do not need to commit 100% to a particular scene to be "valid" in enjoying that scene's music.
@@notsure2696 "the metal community is not to be disrespected by pretenders" that shit sounds so elitist and pretentious. Like get off your high horse no music is superior other forms of music and if you think so you probably have never gotten laid and are too busy circle jerking other metalheads
@@Glaamdring The Punk Rock MBA says he's against gatekeeping then he trashes black metal, ska, street punk and calls any rock on the radio butt rock. Then when someone says to him, "they like black metal for the same reason you like punk." The Punk Rock MBA responds, "I don't like punk that much tbh." The dude changes narratives when convenient and gatekeeps when convenient. He gets justifiably criticized for that. Also his source of information on black metal is the highly discredited Lords of Chaos. Just all around bad.
Shhh don’t mention how every hardcore band is basically a Hatebreed breakdown. I do love me some hardcore breakdowns tho just pointing out the obvious.
@Lord Amraphel I think in the case of most content creators the goal out weights the effort put in the videos. If they put as much effort on research and presentation as they do their advertising, thumbnails, and titles we'd have a lot less disappointments or spotty repetitive content.
meh, he makes it pretty clear that he doesn’t listen to much black metal. you can question why he would choose to make a video about it, but whatever, he can videos about whatever crap he wants I guess.
And this "Punk Rock MBA" guy doesn't like anything that comes outside of the US, so everything outside the US doesn't exist for him, with some very rare exclusions.
Now that i know he is the former Sergeant D from Metalcucks, I understand why his content annoys me so much and that he has stuck to his do the bare minimum research for everything i produce way of doing things.
@@ThePunkRockMBA Well the fact that you get information wrong? lol That would be the first thing. I realize your not as well versed in metal as others but C'mon some of the stuff you get wrong is novice level, A simple google search to check your work before you publish would be good. I know very little about Metalcore but if i was to make a video about it i'd check to make sure my sources are correct and that i'm not just going off one article, book or blog source. If you think i'm being too much of a stickler, so be it. But i did like your content before you started passing off wrong information as accurate.
I actually enjoy his videos too, but I find it RIDICULOUSLY ironic that he doesn’t like black metal bc it’s “Generic, trying to hard to be edgy, there’s no innovation.” Like okay, find me a super innovative hardcore band that isn’t like every other hardcore band.
He never said it wasn’t true of hardcore. But hardcore doesn’t perceive itself as outsider art like black metal does lol. Hardcore knows what it is where black metal acts like it’s something it’s not.
Cant fucking stand this dude. I gave some of his videos a chance. And I get so annoyed that I just cut them off. He doesnt seem to know what he is talking about half the time, he uses clickbait, & he gives off so much misleading information. Its impossible to watch almost any of his videos. Glad someone finally made a video on this dude.
He has also been very misogynistic in the videos where he talks about women in the different scenes he claims to love. In his latest video he said: I wanted to invite a girl to talk about the female experience in rock but as I don't want to make this "more controversial" and lose views. When he said this I commented in all kind-heart suggesting him to lose some views the next time he attempted to pass his male gaze into explicitly female issues because from his "punk-hardcore" origin story it made sense to me for him to make some people uncomfortable for the good of a community and he said "nah disagree" proving that his fake criticism of misogyny should be applied to him as well.
That’s the biggest issue about him in general, he didn’t know how to take criticism. He didn’t put any effort to understand where he might be lacking in. He wouldn’t admit where he’s wrong and uninformed and would lump everyone who criticised him as just haters 🤣. There’re so many people that were actually really nice at him when criticising but he always replied with stubborn attitude or ‘well they should watch my video all the way through I also said nice thing about this genre’. We know that, that’s why we try to reasoned nicely with you on things you get wrong on, because we thought you’re a reasonable dude yourself. But nope, he thought mentioning the ‘pOsiTivE siDe’ is proof that he is in the right and he’s the nice guy 🤦🏻. He wasn’t really a person that you can reason with. The ‘positive sides’ and ‘lessons’ that he put at the end of each video is just a video formula. I like the stubborn attitude tbh. Reminded me of few punk zine writers that I used to love reading. I myself was like that at some point in my life 🤣. I like his video still but yeah Finn isn’t someone that I would go to for an unbiased ‘genre breakdown’ video.
I don't get his dislike for melodic death metal but listens to shit like Attack Attack and Woe, Is Me which about 100 times more overproduced and clean sounding.
If his feelings get hurt this easy maybe slam just ain’t for him. Also complete hypocrisy, he doesn’t like “misogyny” but is totally cool with all the other stuff, total virtue signaling.
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a twat for many reasons but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily virtue signaling. I despise feminists and SJWs but I don't like music that objectifies or degrades women or songs that glorify drugs either, however I've got no problem listening to music about murder, satanism, or any of that other shit. The reason for that is simple, when metal bands talk about killing people or worshiping satan it's obvious they're bullshitting. It's supposed to be shocking and scary. When bands talk shit about women or glorify drugs, it's 50 -50. Some are doing it because they're trying to shock people, others totally believe the things they're saying. If I know they're bullshitting it doesn't bother me, if I don't know or if I know for a fact they're serious, I won't listen to it. For example, I'll listen to Cannibal Corpse's many rape related songs, but I won't go near 99.9% of rap music, simply because I know that George Fisher is bullshitting and most rappers actually see women as objects.
Punk Rock MBA is hella annoying. The guy is overly-confident, under-researched, and speaks with an unfounded authority. His criticisms are extremely surface level. I feel like I’m being lectured by some PR agent. He the type of guy that would try and push Dead Kennedy branded Crocs.
@Death4Metal46 You sound like someone that’s willing to overlook the history of misogyny in the punk and hardcore scene. Yeah the punk and hardcore scene is “far left” but it’s also steeped in sexism. It’s been like this for decades now. Nothing has changed. The same people in the scene posting BLM will be the same dude bros covering up for their douchebag friends that harass girls in the scene.
one thing that i thought was hella corny was his strict definition of what is slam death metal, which was totally nonsensical... he said he doesn’t consider music that has skank beats or tons of tremolo “slam” (which is fine that makes sense) yet he considered Defeated Sanity’s Psalms of the Moribund album “slam”??? 😂😂😂 In his words “It’s premium slam”... Yeah bro... Uhh are you sure you actually listened to that album before you made the video?
this isn’t even to mention i fuckin hate people who call Defeated Sanity “slam”… i would rather you call Patnology slam, even that’s less infuriating Pathology rarely have slams…that’s just how wrong it is.
It's funny because he States in multiple videos about angry elitist, but he always contradicting him self and uses the same formula Everytime. He's pretty much a clickbait UA-cam.
I've checked out some of this guy's content, most of his videos start with him making a false statement or voicing a dumb, generalizing opinion about a topic, goes on to act like he/his tastes are too good for said topic, contradicts then agrees with himself while shrugging it all off because of course he's above it all. Tool.
Thank you for this well constructed response. I too was scratching my head at his strange "double standard" critiques. I'm glad that you approached this subject by backing your statements with evidence. It needed to happen. Well done sir!
Exactly . Are we just going to glaze over how Liturgy pretty much redefined black metal? Even after a literal decade of being made fun of and now we start seeing similar bands crop up and Liturgy getting the respect they deserve imo.
I love the fact you mentioned the _One Man Metal_ doc: I absolutely love it and find myself mystified with Jef and Scott's mind set, and while I did like Russel's interviews as well, he's become more hilarious as the years have gone on with his Blackwave shit. Also "Black Metal is repetitive and edgy". *looks at Alcest, Deathspell Omega, KFR, Blut aus Nord, Leviathan, Xasthur, ect ect*. ...Bruh, not every fucking band is a Burzum rip off.
Striborg was cringy as fuck even when he was doing straight up black metal lol The part in the video where he was in that cave or whatever wearing a hood and corpse paint and starts shrieking? Please 🤣
I like all of their music, but Jef and Scott were the only guys who seemed sincere and not like they were just trying to be edgy and TRVE KVLT!!!1!!1!!
Bands like Bolt Thrower, who has a nigh if not perfect discography, literally kept death metal alive through the 90s and early 2000s. Also Immolation wasn't appreciated until years later.
@@AdolfStalin I'd argue it's the younger ones that are more progressive. Keep in mind hardcores been around since the early 80's. This guy grew up on a that 2000's moshy bullshit.
Funny he mentions Incantation and Immolation because even when Death Metal was suppossedly loosing it's shine, those bands were still respected by the counter BM movement.
I find it funny how he claims that death metal is dead just because it doesn't sound the way he prefers it. Who's gonna break it to him that his preferences don't sell the records or make the music.
Dude is a walking contradiction stuck in 2005 while desperately trying to convince you that rapmetal is the next big revolutionary thing with the kids.
I've always said that originality is kind of overrated. If you had to be completely original to be worth someones time, there wouldn't be very many good bands, and I think that is far from true.
A lot of people, myself included, enjoy things that are familiar. If I listen to a Black Metal band that doesn't sound like Black Metal, I'm not going to like it because I expected Black Metal and instead I got something else. Same goes for any genre, if a band is going to be innovative, they should call themselves something different.
Yeah! It's just how shit goes. When the Rolling Stones were new, they were considered Beatles clones. When Aerosmith came out, they were called Rolling Stones clones. I'm not a fan of any of those bands, but still.
@@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth I hear ya. Like you said, originality is overrated. Everything's been done before, it's just about adding your own art to the existing genres at this point. Even new genres are just combinations of already existing ones. Black Metal for example may have been original in it's presentation but the actual musical style was basically surf rock and flamenco in the minor key with distorted electric guitar, which is probably why I've been getting into surf rock and flamenco lately. Lol
@@HateMyself247 Really being original these days to get away with it you would have to have a band mix metal and country. Thing is would any one buy it?
This is one reason why I unsubscribed to him. Finn thinks he knows it all just because he has some booksmarts. One time he tried saying that EVERYONE uses autotune and when I explained to him that that's not true, he got all cocky and said hes "balls deep" into music production. That's funny because if he was that deep into it, then he should KNOW that not every successful artist in the whole fucking world uses autotune. If he tried saying that to underground hardcore fans they'd just laugh in his face!
I know I'm a year late to the party but this was just suggested to me and I'm so glad I found you 😆 punkrockMBA is irritatingly entertaining but he's been pissing me off lately. His opinions are so fucking confusing I don't even think he knows what he likes. His videos almost always boil down to: "MeTal bAd cAuSe Not pOp" "POp gOoD cAusE caTchY" "mEloDeaTh bAd cAusE cAtcHy" "ButT roCk faNs GoOd' "mEtal fanS buLlies" "MeTal fanS bAd CauSe LARP and LARP bad"
Svetlana Volkova RAC has labels and pretty big festivals still in Europe.... I told him in a comment that NS thinking isn’t exclusive to just black metal lol
Svetlana Volkova oh god that is terrible lol, he’s a Twat, he deleted at least 4 comments of knowledge from me, I did call him a faggot . Punks are sensitive lol.
Hey dude, came from the other channel. I’m a bit under-informed on the metal side of things so i like hearing other people’s takes. I think you had some good points, and thanks for kicking more information out for us. Cheers
Don’t get me wrong I actually like Finn’s channel for the most part and do feel he has said some insightful things in his videos. That being said he does have a habit of sometimes making videos on things that are clearly out of his depth or realm of understanding. As can be expected, in these particular videos he often tends to make a fool of himself as he makes no real effort to understand why those who disagree with him feel the way they do and instead let’s his own biases do the talking by making up his own trivial reasons for why they don’t think the way he does (we hate popular metal sub genres because we hate bands being successful, as well as other bullshit reasons that no metalhead actually has for disliking popular music but are rather reasons that people who do like it come up with in their own heads as to why we don’t like the music that they like). Like I said I do still like his channel because when he makes videos on things that are in his wheelhouse he is very intelligent and insightful. I just wish he wouldn’t make videos on things he knows very little about if he’s not going to make the effort to educate himself
His videos about powerviolence and hardcore I found it interesting. But i found a lot of contradictions in some of his videos, awful examples to get his point and bizarre information that I don t get the idea.
Thanks for watching and making this! We could argue the minutiae until the cows come home but I appreciate that you watched and took the time to make this. Your point about misogyny is valid. It doesn’t make much sense to be selective about that stuff and tbh, I never even thought about what the lyrics to babykiller were. The only thing I really disagree with is people who think I “didn’t do my research” or “don’t know much about metal” simply because they disagree with my opinion. That’s just intellectually lazy. Just say you disagree, and tell me why. Thanks again, appreciate it!
Like i stated i think you did a great job with the "What Killed Death Metal" video. Your research is there and everything i would think of and more. Hopefully I didnt come off aggressive or arrogant in anyway as I was simply trying to do as you said which was to show my disagreements with my reasoning.
Using Lords of chaos as a means to get into Black Metal is some silly shit, the book has a lot of misinformation as to what happened, you should've just said go watch interviews about the 90's black metal bands from Norway. you don't have to name specific band members because of how UA-cams search engine is.
Your video on slam is fucking garbage and misses out key information on the current state of the genre. On top of that you can't stick to your principles as you "hate misogyny in slam" yet you recommend Uterovaginal Insertion of Extirpated Anomalies by Cephalotripsy. And because you ignore this you also miss out on probably the most popular band that plays that old school style of slam which is Kraanium. Your history on the genre is good bar missing out Mortician using movie samples but then it just turns into a shit show.
@@MedIevalCyrax he could also just have recommended Varg himself as source for what happened with him and the scene. Im pretty sure Varg a much more knowledgeable than Jonas Aukerland, and his testimony more true than Lords of Chaos.
I think Punk Rock MBA dislikes Black Metal because it is a right wing genre. Even if he would not admit that himself. Thats probably the main reason he dislikes it.
i dont like punk rock mbas takes on metal at all but this is a stretch considering its so obvious hes right-leaning, especially with his opinions on ratm, all the marketing shit, and the "liberal arts college" jokes
@@fromtimesinkingdoms9144 Oh, guess I have not watched enough of him. Maybe he does not like black metal because it is very right wing when he seems to be more of a centrist.
@@RichardCranium. that could possibly be the reason, but he doesnt strike me to be the kind of guy to care that much about politics in his music. idk, im a socialist that loves a lot of right wing bands' music, sure its unfortunate but its no reason to hate the entire genre yknow
@@fromtimesinkingdoms9144 Well I know many people get triggered by ultranationalists in black metal. But it is mostly leftists who whine about it. Not centrists or conservatives. There does not seem to be a single band on this planet that propagates center-right politics. It is also either anarcho-communist/leftist or NS/ultranationalist with nobody in the middle.
@@RichardCranium. well yeah, but also remember that black metal, politics aside, is a very inaccessible genre of music. like just because you dont enjoy it doesnt mean youre some commie
Finn is in marketing so of course he only follows trends that’s what marketers do. He’s also in his 40s and doesn’t listen to anything past 1994 he’s kind of a stuck in the mud. Dude has never listens to shit like Ad Nauseam or Imperial Triumphant because his interest died in the late 90s. He comes off as disingenuous like a lot of OSDM and OSBM fans.
Also I agree with the melodeath part to an extent cause bands such as Intestine Baalism have melody but are still heavy Its just the Arch enemy type stuff I don't care for
I think this Punk Rock MBA guy just regurgitates random youtube comments and metal-archives reviews without any independent thought of his own. His contradictions made that painfully clear.
It's also ironic that the development and innovation of black metal mirrors that of hardcore.. you know post-hardcore and post-black metal. How can he not see that change to be extremely innovative? Even in regards to slam, the inclusion of some of the elements are just astronomically different to standard death metal. The only thing I can figure is that he is choosing to not see it as what it is "Slam death metal".
Great video. I agree that I don’t care if he has his opinions, it’s more that he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t care to educate himself before making incorrect/nonsensical conjectures.
All that flog says is insert metal subgenre is dead because it's stale, btw have you heard new wave pop punk and how good it is? I legit thought he was satire at first
I'm late to the party, but i need to add this. What? Black metal lack originality? looool !! It's a joke isn't it? You have to be really disconnected from reality or demonstrate somekind of bad faith or you simply don't know nothing about it to said this kind of ridiculous statement. It is simply THE proof that's he don't know what he talking about. Anyone who really knows black metal will tell you that black metal offers more variety than thrash metal or death metal. And it's true, black metal has a bigger arsenal of subgenres than any other metal subgenres. As for examples; pagan black metal, viking black metal, folk black metal, avant garde black metal, progressive black metal, atmospheric black metal, epic black metal, War Metal, Symphonic Black Metal and the list goes on and on. Don't forget to count the fusion genres between black and other music genres such as ; Blackened Crust, Blackened Death, ect. The different scenes around the world would have their own proper sounds. Including all the themes that BM explores others than satanism : paganism, nature, the occult, politics, human emotions, blasphemy, ect, ect. If you think that all black metal its just about low fi sound, blasting all the time and the worship of satan ... you've just missed almost 40 years of history of a rich and unique genre and the variety it offers. For 40 years black metal, has proven to be quite versatile with a large number of sub-genres with respectful bands in each of these sub-genres. I can't say as much about punk or hardcore, which sure offers variety, but never like black metal.
I find Antifa to be stale, repetitive and boring. If they would have just stuck to their original formula of giving each other swirlies in the McDonald's bathroom and listening to Maroon 5, they'd be a lot more interesting of a movement.
I like Finn, but he reminds me of the old white male teachers in high school that would always criticize “old white men” definitely tries to seem hip and progressive in his videos. His only real grief with black metal seemed to be due to nsbm being a sub-genre. He makes good videos on core, but I’m surprised he thought suggesting lords of chaos as a reference was a good idea.
This was a really good video. You got your point across without looking like a jerk off and attacking the guy. You made some really good points and I honestly think that that makes for a really solid discussion. You should make a follow-up video to this, where are you kind of flip it and make recommendations for slam, death and black metal for those who think that those genres are stale and boring.
How is melodic hardcore any less ironic than melodic death metal? I think it's actually more of an oxymoronic, considering "death" is thematic, at least as a term, or descriptor, whereas hardcore is more of a description of sound, so wouldn't melodic hardcore be less hardcore? or Non hard hardcore? Why didn't he bring that up, and how does he not understand that he's a hypocrite?
I've seen a few Punk Rock MBA vids, and though entertaining, he never passes up a chance to dunk on metal, or its fans. One video he devoted to whether he could learn to like classic metal. Anybody who claims to have to force themselves to appreciate the foundational stuff, I know is just pulling my chain.
He has some great videos that actually have facts especially his Ronnie Radke video. But god damn he can be ignorant sometimes. And I hate his woke videos.
He makes great content when he’s speaking on things he’s actually knowledgeable about and emotionally invested in. The problem is when he makes videos on things outside his wheelhouse. The “Why do people like black metal?” video is a perfect example of this. The whole thing is just him being condescending and talking down on black metal and it’s fans and giving his own biased reasoning for why he thinks that those who like it like it. It’s clear just by watching the video he never spoke to any legit black metal fans to gain their insight on what makes the genre special to them. It’s pretty insulting to a music genre’s fan base when you make a video about “why people like this type of music” and then deliver a video showing you made no effort whatsoever into actually understanding why it is that those people like said type of music.
Death metal can sound any way the artists want it too. If it's brutal and fast that's great same for if it's slow and doomy. Also I'm of the beilief that raw production really elevates dissonant and avant garde styles of Death metal. Whereas very clean producion helps tech death because you can hear everything thing being played. The best thing about music is there is something for everyone. Nothing "HAS TO BE" a certain way.
7:29 hey Wyatt I just wanna clear this part up since I know what he's referring to. Metalcore bands from the era ADTR came out had the occasional low death growl (often during breakdowns) In fact I think even Parkway Drive and Killswitch Engage had occasional death growls. And those bands were inspired by melodic death metal However the growl in metalcore is totally metalcore-sounding. It's way more "mid range" in comparison to the rest of metal vocals. There is a huge difference. In fact a lot of death metal fans barely register them as growls. Myself included
When he recommended using Lords of Chaos as a historical source, I couldn't roll my eyes any harder. Plus in my opinion, there's always someone innovating and pushing the genres forward even if many people aren't being "unique".
Right wtf
hydra9on yep fair point! Could have named a better suggestion
The Punk Rock MBA definitely try Orville Peck
It’s country music and a lot say it’s very unique though nothing innovative as he’s just blending country and shoegaze together which he’s gotten A LOT of success from it.
it sounds like this punk rock guy dont like thesse genres....
@@alienbotfarm187he should stay in his lane & stick to making vids on mallcore
>“Black metal is boring because the imagery is stale and the forced edginess is laughable”
>praises and loves old school slam despite it being insanely edgy and every album cover being some ridiculous gore-fest
This isn’t a criticism of slam, but just another hole worth pointing out in the logic
Not to mention this guy worships punk, a genre defined by artsy middle class suburban white boys singing "Fuck the government!" whilst never actually lifting a finger to do anything about the government.
I love the fact he says that melodic death metal is too clean, polished and non-threatening, but then he'll go on to praise bands like Attack Attack, Woe is Me and Issues.
Makes no damn sense to me. I commented the same thing down to using the bands Attack Attack and Woe, Is Me as examples lol.
Another thing I failed to mention in my original comment is the fact that most of the metalcore and deathcore bands he praises in his videos (in particular bands like Shadows Fall, Darkest Hour etc) would not exist if it weren't for melodeath. Really doesn't make sense to me how he sings praises to Darkest Hour whilst in the same breath, saying bands like At the Gates are formulaic and non-threatening.
I love Attack Attack, but I 100% with your point. If it weren't for Melodic Death Metal, 2000s Metalcore would not exist.
@@speakerdestroyer425 Precisely. Newer bands take influence from older bands resulting in Metal evolving. It's been like that since Music ever started. I like Finn and he has made great videos with Factual Information regarding Hardcore and Metal, but god he can be ignorant sometimes.
Lmao, melodic death metal is what got me into metal & it's my fav genre, the fact he even said that really turned me off from his videos.
Dude hurts my head. When he brought up how NSBM exists then Doesn’t at all mention that there’s a whole sub genre of racist skinhead hard-core. Chode.
For some reason I constantly try to enjoy Finns videos. For me, his taste isn't the main issue. It's how disrespectful and holier than thou he is. Everything he doesn't like is for nerds or drug addicts and everything he likes is cutting edge and normal. He doesn't hold himself to the same standards. He doesn't poke fun at himself. He just comes off as an asshole most of the time.
he dont like these genres, its pretty clear...
And he thinks he’s being different by liking mainstream artists… dude it’s 2023. Most metal bands (pick your genre, yeah even black metal bands) like some pretty mainstream artists too. Not that unique.
People would rather complain about "misogynistic" lyrics in brutal death metal, than the dozens upon dozens of mainstream artists across multiple genres who have actually hurt/abused women and underage kids
Priorities
Troy Srebro this is true. It’s troubling that people like chris brown still have careers
@Danny Dircio or the guy from As I Lay Dying who tried to hire someone to kill his wife
@The Darkcel Podcast every scene probably has at least one sick fuck who wants to use music, money and power to hurt and abuse people. Hell, a local heavy trapper from my scene got busted trying to hit up high-school chicks. The solution is holding these fuckers accountable when they get caught and keeping our circles clean
@Danny Which bands are Pedo?
Irony
Finn is the king of bad takes. Its hard to take anything he says seriously when he says shit like Emo Rap is the future of punk rock.
talks about misogyny, said he isn't going to add bands that have those themes - plays Cephalotripsy 5 minutes later with the infamous baby torn from woman's uterus on an operating table cover.
Everything sucks. Music sucks. Scenes are teh ghey. Its all boring and full of hipsters trying to make everything sound super important, deep and intellectual.
He won’t acknowledge Queer punk at all. Whenever I bring it up he has ignored it. He lost me when he said he loved blaire white 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Oh hey mark!
I mean all of that stuff is just for shits and giggles. It's just juvenile braindead fun, just like the music.
Ghey4mane
the biggest problem I have with him is that the dude thinks, THINKS, he knows everything. The dude speaks as if his word is law on everything he talks about. Dude has admitted to not being an expert on certain genres. but the problem is he just needs everyone to think he knows everything. dude is fucking annoying when he speaks like that.
His perspective is that of a tourist, an outsider looking in and subsequently shouldn't carry any value or weight for actual metal fans. I posted a reply to his death metal video and his first instinct was to say that "You probably weren't old enough to remember the old days and how it used to be", which is hilarious as he himself hates gate keeping. He has his audience, and those types can stay and watch him and Jared Dines all day long. They have a niche, and it would be nice if they stuck to it.
Black Winds Ov War i mean - i have been listening to death metal almost 30 years, I’m not sure it’s fair to say I’m an “outsider.” But you are of course entitled to your opinion!
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are not a metal head though, you are clearly a hardcore guy, the same way that I am clearly a metal head and not a hardcore guy. I've been listening to punk for almost 20 years, yet I would still consider myself an outsider or tourist as its culture, values and ethos are not mine. This is why I consider you an outsider, which I think is very fair. Personally I wouldn't expect a video I made on hardcore punk to be received super well by the serious hardcore guys, because I am not invested deep enough into it and its content to really do it justice, which is precisely how I feel about your foray into black metal. You simply dabble in it, and admit yourself you find a lot of it to be boring, which isn't really the best foundation for building an unbiased look at a very misunderstood genre. You threw out a few decent bands as shoutouts, but Aakon Keetreh and Torture, aren't even technically black metal, they are dark ambient. There are a myriad of reasons you shouldn't have made the video, but you gave your fans what they want, and the comment section really shows that intense dislike for people who take this a little more serious... Good job perpetuating the bullshit LoC created, good job cashing in on aformentioned shit storm. Props as a business man, curses as a music fan.
Black Winds Ov War took the words right out my mouth man
Black Winds Ov War well done 👏🏼, mad respect
@@ThePunkRockMBA You are any outsider though. And much of what you say about metal is crap and one of which has never stepped out side of the mainstream metalcore/dathcore/whatever core sound you heard.
You go on and on about how metal is dead. DUDE FOR BEING DEAD THEY SURE DO HAVE SOME OF THE BIGGEST FESTS EVER YEAR IN EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA. Stop being a fucking jack ass and step out side of your little box. Trust me the rest of the metal world won't hurt your little feelings.
Also am I the only one who notices that he compares everything to metalcore
His favorite thing is punk music and hardcore
@@notsure2696 And who gets to decide who's a "pretender" and who's not? You? Who THE FUCK are you?
I kind of agree with TPRMBA on his point about black metal and I think it applies to the metal community as a whole and your comment is a perfect example of it: the fucking pretention and gatekeeping. It's honestly just fucking juvenile and boring. Like seriously-who. the fuck. are you? Why should literally anyone give a fuck about your opinion?
Let people enjoy the music they fucking like. And you do not need to commit 100% to a particular scene to be "valid" in enjoying that scene's music.
@@notsure2696 "the metal community is not to be disrespected by pretenders" that shit sounds so elitist and pretentious. Like get off your high horse no music is superior other forms of music and if you think so you probably have never gotten laid and are too busy circle jerking other metalheads
@@Glaamdring The Punk Rock MBA says he's against gatekeeping then he trashes black metal, ska, street punk and calls any rock on the radio butt rock. Then when someone says to him, "they like black metal for the same reason you like punk." The Punk Rock MBA responds, "I don't like punk that much tbh." The dude changes narratives when convenient and gatekeeps when convenient. He gets justifiably criticized for that. Also his source of information on black metal is the highly discredited Lords of Chaos. Just all around bad.
Nothing wrong with that lul, Id say as for now its the most relevant of all metal genres
It’s also ironic to hear comments about a lack of innovation coming from a punk/hardcore guy.
Shhh don’t mention how every hardcore band is basically a Hatebreed breakdown. I do love me some hardcore breakdowns tho just pointing out the obvious.
Finn is just a hardcore kid all grown up.
He has no clue about death metal or black metal.
Danny Dircio which is what’s poppin rn In Hardcore.
Pretty much, I went through my phase in hardcore but you can only play that one two best so many times
Beat*
Yes he does know Death Metal and Slam I give him credit there just not with Black Metal
@@biblicaladrian6007 nah, didn’t mention Internal Bleeding, Scattered Remnants, Afterbirth,
Yeah I wondered why all his titles are all "What killed __________" it's clickbaity as hell.
And the thumbnails with fucking emojis? it's like he's targeting little kids
@@Drinkwithclass Yeah it's a generic way UA-camrs get views. Nothing against Trogly Guitar but he also uses emojis on his thumbnails.
@Lord Amraphel I think in the case of most content creators the goal out weights the effort put in the videos. If they put as much effort on research and presentation as they do their advertising, thumbnails, and titles we'd have a lot less disappointments or spotty repetitive content.
Also, none of the genres I've ever seen him say have been "killed" are actually dead?
@@HorrorMovieMetalManiac8642 isn't that literally the point of UA-cam?
The Lords of Chaos part made my skin crawl. Also this guy clearly didn't listen to much Black Metal...
And what little he does listen to is garbage
meh, he makes it pretty clear that he doesn’t listen to much black metal. you can question why he would choose to make a video about it, but whatever, he can videos about whatever crap he wants I guess.
Good
“why do people like black metal” I don’t know, maybe be should just ASK PEOPLE WHO PREDOMINANTLY LISTEN TO BLACK METAL
His complaint about melodic death sounds like the complaints the 2nd wave of black metal had against most Death metal of their time.
And this "Punk Rock MBA" guy doesn't like anything that comes outside of the US, so everything outside the US doesn't exist for him, with some very rare exclusions.
Now that i know he is the former Sergeant D from Metalcucks, I understand why his content annoys me so much and that he has stuck to his do the bare minimum research for everything i produce way of doing things.
Cory Kamermans can you give me more detail on what makes you think I don’t do research?
@@ThePunkRockMBA im gonna poop on you
@@ThePunkRockMBA Well the fact that you get information wrong? lol That would be the first thing. I realize your not as well versed in metal as others but C'mon some of the stuff you get wrong is novice level, A simple google search to check your work before you publish would be good. I know very little about Metalcore but if i was to make a video about it i'd check to make sure my sources are correct and that i'm not just going off one article, book or blog source. If you think i'm being too much of a stickler, so be it. But i did like your content before you started passing off wrong information as accurate.
@@ThePunkRockMBA Replying to every comment in this video just to see someone call you out on your Bullshit, Eh? Pathetic.
Wow, I had no idea that he was the guy behind Stuff You Will Hate!
Mmm just seems like a typical know it all hardcore kid
in his 40's haha
I actually enjoy his videos too, but I find it RIDICULOUSLY ironic that he doesn’t like black metal bc it’s “Generic, trying to hard to be edgy, there’s no innovation.” Like okay, find me a super innovative hardcore band that isn’t like every other hardcore band.
He never said it wasn’t true of hardcore. But hardcore doesn’t perceive itself as outsider art like black metal does lol. Hardcore knows what it is where black metal acts like it’s something it’s not.
If you think death and black metal are stagnant, and have no experimentation...then you probably don't listen to much.
Probably thinks bands like ulcerate, Portal and imperial triumphant are generic for some odd fucking reason
Cant fucking stand this dude. I gave some of his videos a chance. And I get so annoyed that I just cut them off. He doesnt seem to know what he is talking about half the time, he uses clickbait, & he gives off so much misleading information. Its impossible to watch almost any of his videos. Glad someone finally made a video on this dude.
He has also been very misogynistic in the videos where he talks about women in the different scenes he claims to love. In his latest video he said: I wanted to invite a girl to talk about the female experience in rock but as I don't want to make this "more controversial" and lose views.
When he said this I commented in all kind-heart suggesting him to lose some views the next time he attempted to pass his male gaze into explicitly female issues because from his "punk-hardcore" origin story it made sense to me for him to make some people uncomfortable for the good of a community and he said "nah disagree" proving that his fake criticism of misogyny should be applied to him as well.
That’s the biggest issue about him in general, he didn’t know how to take criticism. He didn’t put any effort to understand where he might be lacking in. He wouldn’t admit where he’s wrong and uninformed and would lump everyone who criticised him as just haters 🤣. There’re so many people that were actually really nice at him when criticising but he always replied with stubborn attitude or ‘well they should watch my video all the way through I also said nice thing about this genre’. We know that, that’s why we try to reasoned nicely with you on things you get wrong on, because we thought you’re a reasonable dude yourself. But nope, he thought mentioning the ‘pOsiTivE siDe’ is proof that he is in the right and he’s the nice guy 🤦🏻. He wasn’t really a person that you can reason with. The ‘positive sides’ and ‘lessons’ that he put at the end of each video is just a video formula.
I like the stubborn attitude tbh. Reminded me of few punk zine writers that I used to love reading. I myself was like that at some point in my life 🤣. I like his video still but yeah Finn isn’t someone that I would go to for an unbiased ‘genre breakdown’ video.
I'm so happy someone did a video about that dude...
I don't get his dislike for melodic death metal but listens to shit like Attack Attack and Woe, Is Me which about 100 times more overproduced and clean sounding.
Simply put;
He’s a normie
If his feelings get hurt this easy maybe slam just ain’t for him. Also complete hypocrisy, he doesn’t like “misogyny” but is totally cool with all the other stuff, total virtue signaling.
He also recommended Cephalotripsy's debut which is a very misogynistic album. It shows a complete lack of principles when it comes to music taste.
he's a hardcore punk kid. He's the kind of person of why I left that scene
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a twat for many reasons but I wouldn't say that it's necessarily virtue signaling. I despise feminists and SJWs but I don't like music that objectifies or degrades women or songs that glorify drugs either, however I've got no problem listening to music about murder, satanism, or any of that other shit. The reason for that is simple, when metal bands talk about killing people or worshiping satan it's obvious they're bullshitting. It's supposed to be shocking and scary. When bands talk shit about women or glorify drugs, it's 50 -50. Some are doing it because they're trying to shock people, others totally believe the things they're saying. If I know they're bullshitting it doesn't bother me, if I don't know or if I know for a fact they're serious, I won't listen to it. For example, I'll listen to Cannibal Corpse's many rape related songs, but I won't go near 99.9% of rap music, simply because I know that George Fisher is bullshitting and most rappers actually see women as objects.
What do you expect from a former writer of metalsucks?.
@@spongebitchbobface wait, he used to write for Metal Sucks? hilarious...
Punk Rock MBA is hella annoying. The guy is overly-confident, under-researched, and speaks with an unfounded authority. His criticisms are extremely surface level. I feel like I’m being lectured by some PR agent. He the type of guy that would try and push Dead Kennedy branded Crocs.
that MBA at the end, really going to his head.....
“Slam is sexist” met his wife when she was in high school and he was a grown man.
1:20 I love how Finn cut the song at exactly the right time before a slightly misogynistic lyric happens…
I find it hilarious that he denounces Slam Death Metal for being misogynistic while being a member of the Hardcore scene. 😂
@Death4Metal46 You sound like someone that’s willing to overlook the history of misogyny in the punk and hardcore scene. Yeah the punk and hardcore scene is “far left” but it’s also steeped in sexism. It’s been like this for decades now. Nothing has changed. The same people in the scene posting BLM will be the same dude bros covering up for their douchebag friends that harass girls in the scene.
one thing that i thought was hella corny was his strict definition of what is slam death metal, which was totally nonsensical... he said he doesn’t consider music that has skank beats or tons of tremolo “slam” (which is fine that makes sense) yet he considered Defeated Sanity’s Psalms of the Moribund album “slam”??? 😂😂😂 In his words “It’s premium slam”... Yeah bro... Uhh are you sure you actually listened to that album before you made the video?
Lmfao thank you for making this comment so I didn’t have to
Bruh literally, I laughed so hard when he mentioned psalms of the moribund, that album is literally the opposite of what he said is “true slam”
@@officialpostfoodscerealyou379 100%
"can't have tremolo riffs" *Psalms of the Moribund*
this isn’t even to mention i fuckin hate people who call Defeated Sanity “slam”… i would rather you call Patnology slam, even that’s less infuriating
Pathology rarely have slams…that’s just how wrong it is.
It's funny because he States in multiple videos about angry elitist, but he always contradicting him self and uses the same formula Everytime. He's pretty much a clickbait UA-cam.
I've checked out some of this guy's content, most of his videos start with him making a false statement or voicing a dumb, generalizing opinion about a topic, goes on to act like he/his tastes are too good for said topic, contradicts then agrees with himself while shrugging it all off because of course he's above it all.
Tool.
Thank you for this well constructed response. I too was scratching my head at his strange "double standard" critiques. I'm glad that you approached this subject by backing your statements with evidence. It needed to happen. Well done sir!
There's so much more to Black Metal than just Mayhem. It's fused with literally any genre you could think of and more!
Exactly . Are we just going to glaze over how Liturgy pretty much redefined black metal? Even after a literal decade of being made fun of and now we start seeing similar bands crop up and Liturgy getting the respect they deserve imo.
Thank you for making this. He has been pissing me off. The cringe is real
I love the fact you mentioned the _One Man Metal_ doc: I absolutely love it and find myself mystified with Jef and Scott's mind set, and while I did like Russel's interviews as well, he's become more hilarious as the years have gone on with his Blackwave shit.
Also "Black Metal is repetitive and edgy". *looks at Alcest, Deathspell Omega, KFR, Blut aus Nord, Leviathan, Xasthur, ect ect*.
...Bruh, not every fucking band is a Burzum rip off.
Striborg was cringy as fuck even when he was doing straight up black metal lol The part in the video where he was in that cave or whatever wearing a hood and corpse paint and starts shrieking? Please 🤣
@@midwesternabyss679 That was Hilarious.
bruh sound effect #2
Lol I feel bad for Striborg he's trying so hard to make Blackwave a thing
I like all of their music, but Jef and Scott were the only guys who seemed sincere and not like they were just trying to be edgy and TRVE KVLT!!!1!!1!!
Bands like Bolt Thrower, who has a nigh if not perfect discography, literally kept death metal alive through the 90s and early 2000s. Also Immolation wasn't appreciated until years later.
2:51 Someone send him an Arghoslent album!
He'll bitch about muh racis!
Dean H lol great band and album! Punk rock MBA is a pussy , he’s today’s male feminist ...can’t take criticism and morbid lyrics.
@@Ishitonyou666 most old hardcore kids are that way, total progressives.
Adolf Stalin I agree, total hypocrites
@@AdolfStalin I'd argue it's the younger ones that are more progressive. Keep in mind hardcores been around since the early 80's. This guy grew up on a that 2000's moshy bullshit.
Punk MBA is a hipster and poser who doesn't know what he's talking about half of the time.
Funny he mentions Incantation and Immolation because even when Death Metal was suppossedly loosing it's shine, those bands were still respected by the counter BM movement.
Way late in this one. Totally agree. This Finn joker has no clue, a total wipeass.
I am so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is a total try hard spud.
The stand of hair across your forehead is driving me actually insane
How do you even notice it?😆😆
Glad I wasn't the only one 😂😂
Too greasy
SAME LOL
His clickbait titles are insufferable.
I find it funny how he claims that death metal is dead just because it doesn't sound the way he prefers it. Who's gonna break it to him that his preferences don't sell the records or make the music.
lol that seemed like his arguement in all vids, thats the conclusion he came to, well its not what i like so its dead....
Dude is a walking contradiction stuck in 2005 while desperately trying to convince you that rapmetal is the next big revolutionary thing with the kids.
saying a genre is dead just means you arent paying attention, plain and simple, its also corny asf
I've always said that originality is kind of overrated. If you had to be completely original to be worth someones time, there wouldn't be very many good bands, and I think that is far from true.
A lot of people, myself included, enjoy things that are familiar. If I listen to a Black Metal band that doesn't sound like Black Metal, I'm not going to like it because I expected Black Metal and instead I got something else. Same goes for any genre, if a band is going to be innovative, they should call themselves something different.
Yeah! It's just how shit goes. When the Rolling Stones were new, they were considered Beatles clones. When Aerosmith came out, they were called Rolling Stones clones. I'm not a fan of any of those bands, but still.
@@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth I hear ya. Like you said, originality is overrated. Everything's been done before, it's just about adding your own art to the existing genres at this point. Even new genres are just combinations of already existing ones. Black Metal for example may have been original in it's presentation but the actual musical style was basically surf rock and flamenco in the minor key with distorted electric guitar, which is probably why I've been getting into surf rock and flamenco lately. Lol
@@HateMyself247 Really being original these days to get away with it you would have to have a band mix metal and country. Thing is would any one buy it?
@evacody1249 spirit world is a country metal mix
This is one reason why I unsubscribed to him. Finn thinks he knows it all just because he has some booksmarts.
One time he tried saying that EVERYONE uses autotune and when I explained to him that that's not true, he got all cocky and said hes "balls deep" into music production. That's funny because if he was that deep into it, then he should KNOW that not every successful artist in the whole fucking world uses autotune. If he tried saying that to underground hardcore fans they'd just laugh in his face!
Not even all pop groups and singers use auto tune. Most "indie" bands don't use auto tune. The list goes on and on....
Almost every major label release has pitch correction more likely melodyne than autotune
I know I'm a year late to the party but this was just suggested to me and I'm so glad I found you 😆 punkrockMBA is irritatingly entertaining but he's been pissing me off lately. His opinions are so fucking confusing I don't even think he knows what he likes. His videos almost always boil down to:
"MeTal bAd cAuSe Not pOp"
"POp gOoD cAusE caTchY"
"mEloDeaTh bAd cAusE cAtcHy"
"ButT roCk faNs GoOd'
"mEtal fanS buLlies"
"MeTal fanS bAd CauSe LARP and LARP bad"
One of the reasons he’s not into black metal is because of nsbm...but he listens to punk😂like whattttt
Svetlana Volkova RAC has labels and pretty big festivals still in Europe.... I told him in a comment that NS thinking isn’t exclusive to just black metal lol
Svetlana Volkova yeah he totally denies RAC /hatecore exist in the 80’s & 90’s. But black metal is all NS🤦🏻♂️, smh
Ishitonyou666 he said that all punk is antifa and sjw when I commented under his video...completely denied it😂
CARACH ANGREN FAN his idea of death metal is probably deathcore in his mind, based on the amount of “knowledge” (if you can even call it that) he has
Svetlana Volkova oh god that is terrible lol, he’s a Twat, he deleted at least 4 comments of knowledge from me, I did call him a faggot . Punks are sensitive lol.
The guy is clearly a hardcore fan. A genre which itself hasn’t even progressed much either.
He's a good content creator but yeah his critiques of metal come across as pretty lazy for how boisterously he presents them.
Hey dude, came from the other channel. I’m a bit under-informed on the metal side of things so i like hearing other people’s takes. I think you had some good points, and thanks for kicking more information out for us. Cheers
Yeah, he should stay in his lane. He sounds pretty ignorant on metal. I'm glad you made this response video
Don’t get me wrong I actually like Finn’s channel for the most part and do feel he has said some insightful things in his videos. That being said he does have a habit of sometimes making videos on things that are clearly out of his depth or realm of understanding. As can be expected, in these particular videos he often tends to make a fool of himself as he makes no real effort to understand why those who disagree with him feel the way they do and instead let’s his own biases do the talking by making up his own trivial reasons for why they don’t think the way he does (we hate popular metal sub genres because we hate bands being successful, as well as other bullshit reasons that no metalhead actually has for disliking popular music but are rather reasons that people who do like it come up with in their own heads as to why we don’t like the music that they like). Like I said I do still like his channel because when he makes videos on things that are in his wheelhouse he is very intelligent and insightful. I just wish he wouldn’t make videos on things he knows very little about if he’s not going to make the effort to educate himself
it sounds like he dont like these genres, plain and simple....
Perfect 🤘🏻🤘🏻
His videos about powerviolence and hardcore I found it interesting. But i found a lot of contradictions in some of his videos, awful examples to get his point and bizarre information that I don t get the idea.
Thanks for watching and making this! We could argue the minutiae until the cows come home but I appreciate that you watched and took the time to make this.
Your point about misogyny is valid. It doesn’t make much sense to be selective about that stuff and tbh, I never even thought about what the lyrics to babykiller were.
The only thing I really disagree with is people who think I “didn’t do my research” or “don’t know much about metal” simply because they disagree with my opinion. That’s just intellectually lazy. Just say you disagree, and tell me why.
Thanks again, appreciate it!
The Punk Rock MBA
Lord of chaos as a historical source.
Good research.
Like i stated i think you did a great job with the "What Killed Death Metal" video. Your research is there and everything i would think of and more.
Hopefully I didnt come off aggressive or arrogant in anyway as I was simply trying to do as you said which was to show my disagreements with my reasoning.
Using Lords of chaos as a means to get into Black Metal is some silly shit, the book has a lot of misinformation as to what happened, you should've just said go watch interviews about the 90's black metal bands from Norway.
you don't have to name specific band members because of how UA-cams search engine is.
Your video on slam is fucking garbage and misses out key information on the current state of the genre. On top of that you can't stick to your principles as you "hate misogyny in slam" yet you recommend Uterovaginal Insertion of Extirpated Anomalies by Cephalotripsy. And because you ignore this you also miss out on probably the most popular band that plays that old school style of slam which is Kraanium. Your history on the genre is good bar missing out Mortician using movie samples but then it just turns into a shit show.
@@MedIevalCyrax he could also just have recommended Varg himself as source for what happened with him and the scene. Im pretty sure Varg a much more knowledgeable than Jonas Aukerland, and his testimony more true than Lords of Chaos.
Doesn't this dude like pop punk? Which is a massively masochistic repetitive boring genre...odd
(skiz) every genre has their fair share of generic, repetitive bands. This doesn’t mean the genre is null and void.
I think Punk Rock MBA dislikes Black Metal because it is a right wing genre. Even if he would not admit that himself. Thats probably the main reason he dislikes it.
i dont like punk rock mbas takes on metal at all but this is a stretch considering its so obvious hes right-leaning, especially with his opinions on ratm, all the marketing shit, and the "liberal arts college" jokes
@@fromtimesinkingdoms9144 Oh, guess I have not watched enough of him. Maybe he does not like black metal because it is very right wing when he seems to be more of a centrist.
@@RichardCranium. that could possibly be the reason, but he doesnt strike me to be the kind of guy to care that much about politics in his music. idk, im a socialist that loves a lot of right wing bands' music, sure its unfortunate but its no reason to hate the entire genre yknow
@@fromtimesinkingdoms9144 Well I know many people get triggered by ultranationalists in black metal. But it is mostly leftists who whine about it. Not centrists or conservatives. There does not seem to be a single band on this planet that propagates center-right politics. It is also either anarcho-communist/leftist or NS/ultranationalist with nobody in the middle.
@@RichardCranium. well yeah, but also remember that black metal, politics aside, is a very inaccessible genre of music. like just because you dont enjoy it doesnt mean youre some commie
he called kim kardashian the most famous person on the planet???????????? wtf
Finn is in marketing so of course he only follows trends that’s what marketers do. He’s also in his 40s and doesn’t listen to anything past 1994 he’s kind of a stuck in the mud. Dude has never listens to shit like Ad Nauseam or Imperial Triumphant because his interest died in the late 90s. He comes off as disingenuous like a lot of OSDM and OSBM fans.
Also I agree with the melodeath part to an extent cause bands such as Intestine Baalism have melody but are still heavy
Its just the Arch enemy type stuff I don't care for
definitely same here but to say "it shouldnt exist" entirely is where you're missing out on some gems.
I think this Punk Rock MBA guy just regurgitates random youtube comments and metal-archives reviews without any independent thought of his own. His contradictions made that painfully clear.
On one video Black Metal is: Raw, chaotic, experimental
On another video Black Metal is: Boring music, boring forced edginess, boring recycled imagery
for the incoming Finn Simps
your middle aged daddy lost get over it
Thank you for saying exactly what I've been yelling at my phone every time he makes a new upload
It's also ironic that the development and innovation of black metal mirrors that of hardcore.. you know post-hardcore and post-black metal. How can he not see that change to be extremely innovative? Even in regards to slam, the inclusion of some of the elements are just astronomically different to standard death metal. The only thing I can figure is that he is choosing to not see it as what it is "Slam death metal".
Some of Finns hardcore takes are pretty good. He knows nothing about metal in general.
Great video. I agree that I don’t care if he has his opinions, it’s more that he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t care to educate himself before making incorrect/nonsensical conjectures.
His death metal video pissed me off the most
Me as well!
Hes a clueless dork. I think he just researches bands to make himself sound knowledgable.
Why do you give a shit. Fuck off
Going through the back catalog, you never miss!
All that flog says is insert metal subgenre is dead because it's stale, btw have you heard new wave pop punk and how good it is? I legit thought he was satire at first
Finn’s a businessman, simple as that. From a business perspective he’s good, from an artistic and historical perspective he’s spotty at best.
He just recently did a video easing back a bit on the black metal video. What are your thoughts on that?
This guy MBA always contradicts himself, who cares about his opinions, this coming from a guy that likes Blink 182
I'm late to the party, but i need to add this. What? Black metal lack originality? looool !! It's a joke isn't it? You have to be really disconnected from reality or demonstrate somekind of bad faith or you simply don't know nothing about it to said this kind of ridiculous statement. It is simply THE proof that's he don't know what he talking about. Anyone who really knows black metal will tell you that black metal offers more variety than thrash metal or death metal. And it's true, black metal has a bigger arsenal of subgenres than any other metal subgenres. As for examples; pagan black metal, viking black metal, folk black metal, avant garde black metal, progressive black metal, atmospheric black metal, epic black metal, War Metal, Symphonic Black Metal and the list goes on and on. Don't forget to count the fusion genres between black and other music genres such as ; Blackened Crust, Blackened Death, ect. The different scenes around the world would have their own proper sounds. Including all the themes that BM explores others than satanism : paganism, nature, the occult, politics, human emotions, blasphemy, ect, ect. If you think that all black metal its just about low fi sound, blasting all the time and the worship of satan ... you've just missed almost 40 years of history of a rich and unique genre and the variety it offers. For 40 years black metal, has proven to be quite versatile with a large number of sub-genres with respectful bands in each of these sub-genres. I can't say as much about punk or hardcore, which sure offers variety, but never like black metal.
Perfectly well said. Black Metal is truly the best genre.
I find Antifa to be stale, repetitive and boring. If they would have just stuck to their original formula of giving each other swirlies in the McDonald's bathroom and listening to Maroon 5, they'd be a lot more interesting of a movement.
I like Finn, but he reminds me of the old white male teachers in high school that would always criticize “old white men” definitely tries to seem hip and progressive in his videos. His only real grief with black metal seemed to be due to nsbm being a sub-genre. He makes good videos on core, but I’m surprised he thought suggesting lords of chaos as a reference was a good idea.
It's a great way to get and keep sponsors by pretending to be progressive.
Think long and hard about how white your old teachers were...
This was a really good video. You got your point across without looking like a jerk off and attacking the guy. You made some really good points and I honestly think that that makes for a really solid discussion.
You should make a follow-up video to this, where are you kind of flip it and make recommendations for slam, death and black metal for those who think that those genres are stale and boring.
How is melodic hardcore any less ironic than melodic death metal? I think it's actually more of an oxymoronic, considering "death" is thematic, at least as a term, or descriptor, whereas hardcore is more of a description of sound, so wouldn't melodic hardcore be less hardcore? or Non hard hardcore? Why didn't he bring that up, and how does he not understand that he's a hypocrite?
I've seen a few Punk Rock MBA vids, and though entertaining, he never passes up a chance to dunk on metal, or its fans. One video he devoted to whether he could learn to like classic metal. Anybody who claims to have to force themselves to appreciate the foundational stuff, I know is just pulling my chain.
I think he started a popular series and wants to keep it going but may be running a bit thin with the content since hes done so many now.
i admired your response,criticism to punk rock mba.nice job wyattxhim.👍.
He has some great videos that actually have facts especially his Ronnie Radke video. But god damn he can be ignorant sometimes. And I hate his woke videos.
He makes great content when he’s speaking on things he’s actually knowledgeable about and emotionally invested in. The problem is when he makes videos on things outside his wheelhouse. The “Why do people like black metal?” video is a perfect example of this. The whole thing is just him being condescending and talking down on black metal and it’s fans and giving his own biased reasoning for why he thinks that those who like it like it. It’s clear just by watching the video he never spoke to any legit black metal fans to gain their insight on what makes the genre special to them. It’s pretty insulting to a music genre’s fan base when you make a video about “why people like this type of music” and then deliver a video showing you made no effort whatsoever into actually understanding why it is that those people like said type of music.
His channel and opinions are full cringe, but youtube is hellbent on recommending people watch it... I really shouldn't be surprised by that I guess.
Death metal can sound any way the artists want it too. If it's brutal and fast that's great same for if it's slow and doomy. Also I'm of the beilief that raw production really elevates dissonant and avant garde styles of Death metal. Whereas very clean producion helps tech death because you can hear everything thing being played. The best thing about music is there is something for everyone. Nothing "HAS TO BE" a certain way.
i'm really late to this video but are you from rhode island? i don't know many people who rep Armageddon but Ben is awesome and Dropdead rule.
Lords of Chaos....meh. I used to really like that book. But now I see things differently. Glad Necrobutcher had nothing to do with that book.
7:29 hey Wyatt I just wanna clear this part up since I know what he's referring to. Metalcore bands from the era ADTR came out had the occasional low death growl (often during breakdowns)
In fact I think even Parkway Drive and Killswitch Engage had occasional death growls. And those bands were inspired by melodic death metal
However the growl in metalcore is totally metalcore-sounding. It's way more "mid range" in comparison to the rest of metal vocals. There is a huge difference. In fact a lot of death metal fans barely register them as growls. Myself included
Finn has always been a joke to me.
Dude in metal core thats enough said
Why does every genre of Metal needs to be super intimidating.
How long did you stew on these videos bro?
he is from portland, what do you expect?
no he’s not?
He lives in WA, dip shit
I like mysoginist lyrics so I’ll probably like slam death metal
punk rock calls slam as misgonist?
well, he's a poser tbh when he mentioned lardz ov cahoz lol