Testing .410 Loads in Ishapore Lee Enfield Musket
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2023
- In this short video I try out a few reloads in the .410 Ishapore Lee Enfield Musket. The Ishapore Musket is a smooth bore .410 shotgun version of the famous Lee Enfield No1 MKIII* Rifle. All loads are in reformed .303 Brit brass and have 13.5 grs Winchester 296 powder and Winchester AA HS plastic wads. The Ishapore has no choke and as a result throws quite large patterns.
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Good stuff man!
Love these 410's. ❤❤
Thanks CW.
I like 410's more than I really ought to.
The four ball koads did quite well. Very interesting.
Yeah they did OK. And at about 1150 fps they ought to be effective enough, as long as one is not too far away.
Very cool. Always liked those
It took me awhile to find an original, unmolested one.
Pretty cool weapon. Thanks for the video.
I like it for the "unusual" factor. It gets some weird looks when I drag it out to shoot clays!
@@314299 I can imagine
Great video, thanks for sharing, loved it.
Thanks Ken.
Very nice
Thanks Joe.
I've heard about these, but don't think I've ever seen one. Pretty cool.
Yeah they are interesting but are just about the clunkiest and heaviest .410 shotgun one could find!
Love my SMLE 410, the bayonet is handy in case you get charged by a rogue bunny.
You can never be too careful, you might come across a killer bunny:
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Very Nice Shooting ! 👍
It's hard to miss with that much spread!
Very cool!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
They are probably one of the oddest .410's out there.
Triple PC'd .395 RB (Hornady .40 cal Muzzleloader) is a go
-to for these
What sort of a diameter would one expect with three layers of powder coat on a .395" ball?
Never seen an Ishapore in the flesh but have played with fireformed 303/410 a bit. My fireformed brass is not as smooth & uniform as yours. I would be interested to see how you achieved it.
It's actually easier to get nice looking cases for an original Ishapore .410 Musket chamber than it is to get nice even cases for a standard .410 shotgun chamber. The .410 Musket case is just a straightened 303 case, whereas a .303 formed to a standard 410 chamber will be too small and inevitably will bow out in a somewhat uneven fashion. For best results fire your forming charges with the gun pointed straight up in the air, cases expand more evenly that way.
@@314299 uneven is a bit of an understatement re my attempts to fireform 303/ 410. I may re anneal them and try again holding my muzzle upright . I used a load of 4gn unique with cream of wheat on my initial attempt . It may have been a little bit light on .
@@garrybrischke53 That sounds like far too light a charge of powder. I would use 8 grains of unique.
Good test! Any guess on how many shots on a shell before it really would need to be resized to chamber easily again?
I like to "resize" the front 2/3 of the brass every time just to make them easier to quickly chamber. Leaving them as fired ought to work fine but the cases will be a close fit and will not just drop in. I doubt you would ever actually need to resize them being a straight wall case at low shotgun pressure.
Thanks for posting. I am after one of these. Cuz ... I have a brand new MKIII sight ( the flip up one) left to me by my friend. And I also have my great grandads WWI bayonet which should fit. He died young, but I knew his wife, born in 1894. I understand there are some reamed to take commercial .410 loads? I wonder if there is enough room to have them bored and threaded for chokes? Love .410s, I have a 9410.
Century International / International Firearms did modify a bunch of these by reaming them to accept three inch .410 shells. All the ones modified to shoot standard 410 shells also had the stocks "sporterized" (cut down) with the hand guards and barrel band and nose cap removed. The barrels are pretty thick on these and I expect they could be machined to take choke tubes.
Been enjoying your 410 "musket" videos and hope I get to try one out for myself. 😊 Question: have ever tried a buck and ball load? 🤔
No I have not tried any buck and ball in the 410, only shot and multiple ball loads.
@314299 Good to know and thanks for posting content like this for the rest of us. Keep your powder dry😁
Let me know if you'll be bringing it to the skeet club. Pretty sure you'd hit doubles with it!
I've had it there in the past, I must say it was not an easy "shotgun" to hit skeet targets with. I think it's all the clutter of the iron sights.
Great vid! So are these a trench rifle or a training?
These are a smooth bore conversion of Lee Enfield rifles. They did this to guns that had bores that were worn out or ruined. They were converted for issue to police and prison guards in India.
Have you tried regular .410 ammo in this… rifle?
No, regular .410 shells will not fit as this gun is chambered for .410 Musket ammo, not sporting .410 shells. The chamber is smaller in diameter.
Are you telling me that you can make 410 brass out of a 303 shell????????
Please elaborate.
- Anneal 303 brass.
- Prime and charge with 8 to 10 grains shotgun powder.
- Tamp a small piece of tissue over the powder.
- Fill the case with either ground corncob or Cream of Wheat cereal to almost the top.
- Press some wax or grease into the case mouth to hold the contents in place.
- Fire in .410, preferably fire straight up to get the case to blow out straight.
Finished cases can be loaded with the data used for 2-1/2" Winchester hulls.
Taper crimp to hold a top card in place to keep the shot in place or glue a top card in place.
A bit less than impressive performance, but quite suitable for the intended purpose. No doubt economical at the time to boot. Cool test, much more so with an unaltered example.
The lack of choke certainly shows with the shot loads.
Be cool trying a full bore slug
If you mean a conventional Foster type slug I'm not sure where one would find them for reloading. The original brass 2-1/4" long 303 based rounds were only loaded with single round ball and "BB" shot, to the best of my knowledge.
@@314299 I have some .395 RB's from a Lee mold that might work well in that gun. I won't be able to try them in my 410 until spring and am casting a stockpile over the winter. I could send you some if you want to give them a try. In my tests with the 12 gauge RB's do better than Foster slugs. I think RB's are to way to go in 410 myself.
@@longjohn439 that would probably do well in the cylinder bore
@@314299 if you found a couple of " decrepit" 410 slugs...
Would be neat to use the slug in the musket. Re purpose. I done few with 12 and 16g with black powder and fiber wads for damascus guns i have with cylinder bore on 1 side...when weather gets decent intend to try them at 25/35 yards .
@@rodsvintagesxschannel.3095 I'll have to keep my eyes open for a few crappy looking 410 slugs next time I'm at a gun show.
I really enjoy your channel, keep up the great content. say hello to gun geek for me. thanks, -Dave.
Thanks Dave. I'll tell Scott you said hello.
Pronounced "bee-bee"
Yeah, I know.
I was being specific as to the shot being "B B" as there are dolts out there that think every size pellet used in a shotgun are "BB"S".
@@314299 LOL ...... yeah people nowadays don't know.... most don't know that #4 buck is 22 cal.....yup
@@314299 I shoot 7.62 buckshot in my old 16 gauge shotgun......yup....LOL
@@314299 I just looked up buckshot sizes to doublecheck myself.....I was wrong....I always thought #4 buck was 22 cal but it is listed as ..... . 243(6mm)