Would be good to see dyno plots and telemetry of the two. My intuition is that Fox actually have the right idea here regarding larger air volume and lower pressure.
I actually feel the ohlin is better for tuneability, essentially you have smaller increments, where as the fox you cant adjust much once you're at your weight limit...for example on my 40's i have like 5psi to play with before its too hard or too soft. I would imagine the ohlin would be like 10-12psi so you get a much finer tune
great breakdown and interesting to see the differences. I wanted to get a Zeb, then the more I looked Fox 38.......then Ohlins, this hasn't helped 😅 💵💰 From the home mechanics and tech lovers though, thanks 👍
Great video. Fair to say that adding tokens in the Air side, will reduce the available travel of the fork by limiting the Air volume...!? so I guess that Öhlins does manage the ''end pressure'' without limiting the travel (air volume) of the fork with their different design or not !?
@@Polemicist_ I prefer Ohlins overall despite the price. I do believe though that aggressive trail or park riding is where Ohlins shines most. Before I tried Ohlins I’ve had/ridden Rockshox Lyrik, Zeb (an excellent fork!) and Boxxer as well as Fox 34, 36 and 38. The main difference between the others to me was that although Fox and Rockshox are softer off the top, Ohlins has a more noticeable and more confidence inspiring mid-stroke support ie the suspension feels like it’s always there (especially on jumps and drops), was easier to find an adjustment that works as Ohlins uses a design approach called “usable range” which results in it being almost difficult to find a setting that doesn’t work on an Ohlins and finally, has a progressivity ramp adjustment chamber instead of using annoying tokens.
Thank you so much for the insight. I am kind of new to Mountain biking. But I have a lower quality brand of fox on right now. ( rhythm ) . I have been reading a lot about the Ohlins forks and Shocks. Your comments are definitely making me go towards Ohlins. Also, I think it would look really awesome on my turbo levo, which is all black with yellow grips, yellow pedals, and yellow stem from Pembree.
@@shawnstradwick5637 yeah that would look sharpe! Although the Fox Rhythm is a great value fork (supposedly having the same internals as the Marzocchi Bomber) and won’t hold you back at all, if you have the margin in your budget, the Ohlins is simply next-level. Also Ohlins forks are on sale all over the place right now eg JensonUSA, etc. The Ohlins RXF36 would likely be the upgrade from your Rhythm.
I'm absolutely blown away just how much technology has been passed down from Moto-GP and Motor cross! I literally run Ohlins front forks $5,500.00 on my BMW M1000RR and its almost identical internals but smaller! I had know clue that this caliber of bike even existed and its just awesome to see these parts from a known company that I'm familiar with! Looking up what kind of builds y'all put these trick parts on!
Yer its all the same stuff just miniature! Some of tech runs both ways though. Im sure theres tons they are learning from having MTB product. We do off the shelf Ohlins builds on our site and they are rad! Not to say its the 100% best for everyone but we really do think its the best stuff!
@@BRINKUKthey dominate the motorcycle category so I can only think they have moved into Mtb to learn more, my wallet is here shaking and saying don’t do it!
Absolutely lovely video! But I'm a tinkerer, and I really would like to know what kind of frankensteins I can get away with. For example,e geting an 38 suntour chassis, but using ohlins damping cartrige? Maybe a rockshox one? What parts are interchangeable? I know the industry keeps it's secrets about a lot of things, but this is what an independent reviewer can do!
Its really interesting to me the olins floating piston, bc my rockshoks 2012 reba rl has a dual air system that allows it to do the same and i dont know why it is not in every fork
Let me know when you can tweak the feel of a Grip2 like you can the Ohlins with it's triple chamber design. I can easily add or remove a bit of pressure at the bottom of the fork in seconds, and I can even go stepwise up and down in tiny increments. Impossible to do on a stock Fox fork
SUPER cool to see the insides of both! Have you experimented with removing the negative air chamber spacer that apparently is in Ohlins 38 forks? Seemed like Alex at Bike Radar had experimented with that with positive results... not saying necessarily that the RXF38 needs to be better :) Excited to hear about blind testing!
Yer we’ve tried both ways. If you want it more supple off the top it’s good but accelerates the fork into the mid stroke so pros and cons. Personally I prefer the fork to ride a little higher so I leave mine in on the 38.
I was gonna ask the same question, and had just come across that same review. I’m a lighter rider at 160lbs with gear and have an RXF38 on the way. I’ll experiment with it stock and see how it is and if it’s too harsh off the top or not with it. @BRINKUK Is it easy to remove the negative chamber spacer if needed?
It's funny. People were skeptical about the ohlins in the past years. And now they are finally caught on and I'm not unique in the hill any more. Honestly ohlins on my r1, I put em on my hard enduro 2 stroke, and I even force my friends with Harleys to adopt them. They make all the difference on any two wheels
Fork for best repetitious small bump sensitivity. Like the old unmatched Citoen DS which i drove for several years. What fork delivers like that? I'm no bikeparker, i have long travel suspension mostly for comfort (180mm). But in my opinion: the problem is that bicycles do not have enough mass, which let's any stickslip effects in the suspension/dampingsystem get prominent. With the same suspension/dampingsystem and more vehiclemass and of corse more pressure the stick effects would not grow or not grow in the same way but the forces which are acting on the system so in summa the impact of the friction would get less, like: a small bump acts with more fore on a heavier vehicle like the same bump would on a featherweight one.
I’d recommend looking into a coil conversion for your current fork. Push and Vorsprung both make a lot of aftermarket kits. Running a coil tends to have better small bump sensitivity but less progression when compared to an air sprung fork. Marzocchi makes a Z1 Coil that’s pretty good as well. I have my Fox Performance 38 set up at 22% sag and slightly slower rebound than recommended and fully open compression, it handles chatter and big hits very well at that setup without much compromise on either end.
When I rode dirt bikes in 80s... fox was pop cause the name, Fox shox.. it was catchy... but the real suspensions were kyb, local guys named Kessler, and some others, but fox dominated advertising so they won, they were the dominos pizza of suspension.
I'm debating between fox 36 performance elite @ $850 and the Ohlins RXF 36 @ $800. My frame came with fox float x performance rear shock so the fox 36 would match it, but I think I'd rather have the ohlins fork on sale. Then I'd probably want to sell fox rear shock and buy matching ohlins.. hmmm decision decisions
Why do they do damper rod vs cartridge forks? Genuinely curious since cartridge forks offer superior rebound and compression dampening as well as a lower center of gravity. Seems like a no brainer.
We did it a fair amount on the 36 fork but I find the 38 rides a little nicer with the spacer in. Probably due to the bigger lower leg volume. Awesome forks!!
@@BRINKUK yea I was just asking as I got a shot of some ohlins 38s and struggled to find the balance between small bump and support. I could feel the damper was absolutely mint I just couldn’t figure the air pressures out to get what I was after.
They aren’t the fork for small bump sensitivity off the top but at sag they should be more than supple with the right setup. Sometimes it’s worth sizing the bushes. We can do that for you! 👍🏻
So how woud it be a blind test when you have just stated the Ohlins gives you more support, more balance, more control etc when you have already ridden both and decided the Ohlins is the better fork.
yer we know! I just said it when we filmed but the idea was for someone else to ride them not me and then discuss what they thought of each fork. Not really a blind test. Not sure you could really and keep it safe! haha
so Al2O3 is a "hard ceramic material"? and ppl are also trying to impress someone by saying "over 70 billion molecules per square centimeter"? jesus christ guys, stop it with all this bullshit. sincerely someone who knows material science
TTX coil shock teardown for extra viewing!
ua-cam.com/video/ui5vW7Qbmx4/v-deo.html
Really good!👍🏻 good to see it explained with the parts in front of you!
I love how you guys dove into the "tech" in the fork! You guys should do the Zeb next maybe?
One of my new favorite channels!!🤙🏻🤙🏻
Loving all the videos and custom bike builds. The way it should be.
Cheers dude! 🤘🏼🎉
Test these 2 forks, I prefer Ohlins my best choice for hard enduro
Such a complete technical video! It’s nice to see you speaking about this forks 🤘🏼
Cheers dude! 🤘🏼🎉
AMAZING explanation! WOW thanks
I love these new Ohlins forks, it’s made the second hand price of Fox 38s really good.
Fantastic video, very well explained. Just ordered a Canyon Torque with full Ohlins suspension. Very much looking forward to dial it in! 😈
Great comparison and explanation- ty!
Cheers! Much appreciated
Brilliant vid mate. Super interesting. Well done.
Thankyou! We have done a few more suspension videos. More to come!!
Good idea to have a tear down. Coil versions would be interesting.
And better IMHO
Great information! Thanks 👍
looks like you know your forks sir! real nice vid
Great video! I'm actually building a new Tracer 279 using Ohlins suspension.
You won’t regret it. Get those settings dialled.
Would be good to see dyno plots and telemetry of the two.
My intuition is that Fox actually have the right idea here regarding larger air volume and lower pressure.
I actually feel the ohlin is better for tuneability, essentially you have smaller increments, where as the fox you cant adjust much once you're at your weight limit...for example on my 40's i have like 5psi to play with before its too hard or too soft. I would imagine the ohlin would be like 10-12psi so you get a much finer tune
great breakdown and interesting to see the differences.
I wanted to get a Zeb, then the more I looked Fox 38.......then Ohlins, this hasn't helped 😅 💵💰
From the home mechanics and tech lovers though, thanks 👍
😂 Appreciate it Jacob!
Great video. Fair to say that adding tokens in the Air side, will reduce the available travel of the fork by limiting the Air volume...!? so I guess that Öhlins does manage the ''end pressure'' without limiting the travel (air volume) of the fork with their different design or not !?
Thank you.
Oh man I can listen to mat talk MTB tech all day
Cheers dude! Careful what you wish for! Haha
Forgot to mention the oval steerer tube w/varying thickness in the FOX 👍🏻
Ahh damn it!!
Love the content, keep it up!
Cheers dude! More to come!
well, the positive air chamber tokens work a bit different, but for a novice rider that would be a good enough explanation.
once you’ve ridden an Ohlins fork versus a Fox you see there’s just no contest.
Which versions of forks did you ride and which brand did you prefer?
@@Polemicist_ I prefer Ohlins overall despite the price. I do believe though that aggressive trail or park riding is where Ohlins shines most. Before I tried Ohlins I’ve had/ridden Rockshox Lyrik, Zeb (an excellent fork!) and Boxxer as well as Fox 34, 36 and 38. The main difference between the others to me was that although Fox and Rockshox are softer off the top, Ohlins has a more noticeable and more confidence inspiring mid-stroke support ie the suspension feels like it’s always there (especially on jumps and drops), was easier to find an adjustment that works as Ohlins uses a design approach called “usable range” which results in it being almost difficult to find a setting that doesn’t work on an Ohlins and finally, has a progressivity ramp adjustment chamber instead of using annoying tokens.
@@BrandonViani Damn, okay. Thanks for that info.
Thank you so much for the insight. I am kind of new to Mountain biking. But I have a lower quality brand of fox on right now. ( rhythm ) . I have been reading a lot about the Ohlins forks and Shocks. Your comments are definitely making me go towards Ohlins. Also, I think it would look really awesome on my turbo levo, which is all black with yellow grips, yellow pedals, and yellow stem from Pembree.
@@shawnstradwick5637 yeah that would look sharpe! Although the Fox Rhythm is a great value fork (supposedly having the same internals as the Marzocchi Bomber) and won’t hold you back at all, if you have the margin in your budget, the Ohlins is simply next-level. Also Ohlins forks are on sale all over the place right now eg JensonUSA, etc. The Ohlins RXF36 would likely be the upgrade from your Rhythm.
I'm absolutely blown away just how much technology has been passed down from Moto-GP and Motor cross! I literally run Ohlins front forks $5,500.00 on my BMW M1000RR and its almost identical internals but smaller! I had know clue that this caliber of bike even existed and its just awesome to see these parts from a known company that I'm familiar with! Looking up what kind of builds y'all put these trick parts on!
Yer its all the same stuff just miniature! Some of tech runs both ways though. Im sure theres tons they are learning from having MTB product. We do off the shelf Ohlins builds on our site and they are rad! Not to say its the 100% best for everyone but we really do think its the best stuff!
@@BRINKUKthey dominate the motorcycle category so I can only think they have moved into Mtb to learn more, my wallet is here shaking and saying don’t do it!
Absolutely lovely video!
But I'm a tinkerer, and I really would like to know what kind of frankensteins I can get away with. For example,e geting an 38 suntour chassis, but using ohlins damping cartrige? Maybe a rockshox one? What parts are interchangeable?
I know the industry keeps it's secrets about a lot of things, but this is what an independent reviewer can do!
Ohlins forks are also coated… just a different colour/process. Ohlins innovates… fox copies
Its really interesting to me the olins floating piston, bc my rockshoks 2012 reba rl has a dual air system that allows it to do the same and i dont know why it is not in every fork
Yo, thats a great video. Good explained the tech from both. Only the background music I found a bit anoing 💪👍🚲
Noted. Thanks for watching!
Let me know when you can tweak the feel of a Grip2 like you can the Ohlins with it's triple chamber design. I can easily add or remove a bit of pressure at the bottom of the fork in seconds, and I can even go stepwise up and down in tiny increments. Impossible to do on a stock Fox fork
Both forks are great. Either way you are riding on a winner.
SUPER cool to see the insides of both! Have you experimented with removing the negative air chamber spacer that apparently is in Ohlins 38 forks? Seemed like Alex at Bike Radar had experimented with that with positive results... not saying necessarily that the RXF38 needs to be better :) Excited to hear about blind testing!
Yer we’ve tried both ways. If you want it more supple off the top it’s good but accelerates the fork into the mid stroke so pros and cons. Personally I prefer the fork to ride a little higher so I leave mine in on the 38.
@@BRINKUK Thank you! Cheers!
I was gonna ask the same question, and had just come across that same review. I’m a lighter rider at 160lbs with gear and have an RXF38 on the way. I’ll experiment with it stock and see how it is and if it’s too harsh off the top or not with it.
@BRINKUK Is it easy to remove the negative chamber spacer if needed?
@@BRINKUK @timschafer3820 Does the RXF36 have the same negative chamber spacer that can be removed?
@@mtboyan1817 yea it does!
This is Amazing! Is this available yet?
It's funny. People were skeptical about the ohlins in the past years. And now they are finally caught on and I'm not unique in the hill any more. Honestly ohlins on my r1, I put em on my hard enduro 2 stroke, and I even force my friends with Harleys to adopt them. They make all the difference on any two wheels
Consistently lives up to the hype. A rare thing these days!
Fork for best repetitious small bump sensitivity. Like the old unmatched Citoen DS which i drove for several years. What fork delivers like that? I'm no bikeparker, i have long travel suspension mostly for comfort (180mm). But in my opinion: the problem is that bicycles do not have enough mass, which let's any stickslip effects in the suspension/dampingsystem get prominent. With the same suspension/dampingsystem and more vehiclemass and of corse more pressure the stick effects would not grow or not grow in the same way but the forces which are acting on the system so in summa the impact of the friction would get less, like: a small bump acts with more fore on a heavier vehicle like the same bump would on a featherweight one.
I’d recommend looking into a coil conversion for your current fork. Push and Vorsprung both make a lot of aftermarket kits. Running a coil tends to have better small bump sensitivity but less progression when compared to an air sprung fork. Marzocchi makes a Z1 Coil that’s pretty good as well. I have my Fox Performance 38 set up at 22% sag and slightly slower rebound than recommended and fully open compression, it handles chatter and big hits very well at that setup without much compromise on either end.
Nice ohlins add. I’m looking for some side by side comparisons to learn more. Will check out your vid on that.
My question is will the Ohlins TTX damper fit inside the Fox 38 fork? If the threading is the same and fits the FOx 40 fork I think it would work.
When I rode dirt bikes in 80s... fox was pop cause the name, Fox shox.. it was catchy... but the real suspensions were kyb, local guys named Kessler, and some others, but fox dominated advertising so they won, they were the dominos pizza of suspension.
Have you compared the EXT Era V2 with these?
Please a Boxxer Ultimate RC2 WC vs Ohlins DH 38 m.1 ❤
Could you do your own damper service at home for the ohlins damper? Is it easy?
I just bought a Fox Factory 38 on sale today. I would have gone with Ohlins but 500.00 U.S. dollars more just wasn't in my budget.
could you put fox 38 Kashima uppers on the öhlins fork
Hi friend can you do the same video with Manitou mezzer pro and expert forks?
Where is your comparison video float 38 vs rxf 38?
Could not find it anywhere
I'm debating between fox 36 performance elite @ $850 and the Ohlins RXF 36 @ $800. My frame came with fox float x performance rear shock so the fox 36 would match it, but I think I'd rather have the ohlins fork on sale. Then I'd probably want to sell fox rear shock and buy matching ohlins.. hmmm decision decisions
Please do a proper blind fork test, will be hilarious footage riding through trails blindfolded 😂
Really good, useful video would be even better without the background 'music' which is distracting! Looking forward to the test video.
Noted. Thanks for watching Jez!
What about twin toube in ohlins? :)
in other words, these forks have sophisticated internals and need sophisticated servicing.
Why do they do damper rod vs cartridge forks? Genuinely curious since cartridge forks offer superior rebound and compression dampening as well as a lower center of gravity. Seems like a no brainer.
Hello David! Are you asking about open bath dampers Vs cartridge?
It can’t be the 2 best forks on the market without a Zeb…
Could you maybe talk a little about the token in the negative air chamber in the ohlins? How many forks have you removed this from??
We did it a fair amount on the 36 fork but I find the 38 rides a little nicer with the spacer in. Probably due to the bigger lower leg volume. Awesome forks!!
@@BRINKUK yea I was just asking as I got a shot of some ohlins 38s and struggled to find the balance between small bump and support. I could feel the damper was absolutely mint I just couldn’t figure the air pressures out to get what I was after.
They aren’t the fork for small bump sensitivity off the top but at sag they should be more than supple with the right setup. Sometimes it’s worth sizing the bushes. We can do that for you! 👍🏻
Do both forks use IFP or Bladders on the damper?
Both use coil spring IFPs to pressurise the fluid
TTX air shock teardown for extra viewing!
ua-cam.com/video/Gncc6fSqt5k/v-deo.html
Öhlins / крепотура 🔥
Both are good but Rockshox Zeb is the best in every Aspect.
Maybe we should do a Zeb Vs Z1 tear down?!
Gone are the days of aesthetically pleasing forks . I like older Marzocchi Bombers of which I have several .
So how woud it be a blind test when you have just stated the Ohlins gives you more support, more balance, more control etc when you have already ridden both and decided the Ohlins is the better fork.
yer we know! I just said it when we filmed but the idea was for someone else to ride them not me and then discuss what they thought of each fork. Not really a blind test. Not sure you could really and keep it safe! haha
I ride rockshox and change the decals to ohlins or fox to match the color of my riding gear 😂
haha cheaper that way too!
Ohlins beats fox hands down on high speed damping…
Enjoy the content but prefer no background music.
Didn’t even get past the 30 second ad..
Where’s Messi?
Can you donate me mtb fork
Not much in them really!
so Al2O3 is a "hard ceramic material"? and ppl are also trying to impress someone by saying "over 70 billion molecules per square centimeter"? jesus christ guys, stop it with all this bullshit.
sincerely someone who knows material science
The background music is extremely annoying/distracting. Only talking would be much better ...
Noted. Thanks for watching! Very much appreciated.
R you Pakistani? 🇵🇰
Informative but terribly edited. Can’t determine which fork you’re talking about half the time
Thanks for the feedback! I’ll re watch it with my editing head on! 👍🏻🎉
Be selective with your background music, I hate this style of editing. A short video is one thing but 12min of the same tone music is annoying
im American i can’t understand a word he says and our language is FROM there not here. Speak English! what ? oh ? you ARE English? uh , sorry
Fox the best, oxlinzzz one opera .- dvo/booss/ 💩