Öhlins TTX Air Shock Review
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2021
- #JeffKendallWeed #OhlinsTTXAir #mountainbikeshocks
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I’ve been riding variants of the Fox Float X2 since 2014, when an engineer at Fox asked me to test a prototype on my old Ibis HD3. Ever since, I’ve had a ton of experience with that shock, and really liked how I could adjust the HSC and use that as a tool to help correct my bikes’ geometry. Since then, the X2 has improved massively, and my own needs and tastes have shifted slightly as well.
After some time on the DPX2, I realized I preferred the lighter feel of the DPX2, as it has significantly less oil inside and is easier to get moving. I also preferred the smaller air can of the DPX2, as that progressivity suits my riding style. The latest X2s are really, really good, but the main drawback is that they don’t fit as many volume reducers as the DPX2. They also feel more heavily damped, though the difference isn’t as extreme as it once was.
I wanted my Evil Offering to feel a little more “poppy”, with less damping and more progressive spring. I was able to borrow a DPX2, and really liked it- it was much closer to the feel I wanted. Then I went ahead and bought this Ohlins TTX Air shock. It’s expensive, and I admit I had my doubts, but holy cow, this one hit the nail right on the head!
All of these shocks are twin tube dampers, which means oil is circulated through two concentric tubes as a part of its circuitry, but the way in which the damping happens is VERY different between Fox and Ohlins. I have a hunch that this is due to patents, but I’m not totally sure. Anyhow, Fox has oil passing through the main piston of the shock, then damping fine tuning happens up at the adjusters on the eyelet. The adjusters use a needle to create an adjustable passageway for the oil.
Ohlins, however, has a solid main piston that only pushes and pulls oil. Damping happens via traditional shims up at the eyelet. This design is somewhat simpler, and is a lot closer to what motorcycle suspension systems use. On the trail, the feel of the Ohlins was far better than what I anticipated. The initial breakaway force is very low- low enough that I went back to the stock Evil link from the Cascade link you saw in the video. The damping is extremely smooth. The Fox shocks work awesome, but I’ll be darned, the Ohlins is smoother. I went for the maximum volume reduction within the TTX Air, and the way it ramps up works very well on the Offering. I’ve been riding this shock for only 6 weeks, so I can’t comment on the long term durability, but I’m optimistic that the traditional shim stack and simple design will prevent cavitation and that it should last.
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Jesus, I've never been more convinced that someone has actually tested the shock they're reviewing.
I wish I had an ounce of your skill bubba, watching you is truly amazing. Thanks for the vids!
Watching your videos for quite some time now. I must say there is a lot of channels that post under 5 min videos that bore me to the bone, this is not one of them. I can easily watch your content for 15min and not even notice how much time had passed. Great work man :)
I love watching you ride. Such a cool style. Keep up the great work!
Your like a jackrabbit going down the trail! Amazing bike handling, thanks for the reviews
Bought a new Husqvarna motocross bike in 1985 ! Had never heard of Ohlins before, but the suspension on that bike was the best i had ever ridden so far , good stuff
Never used this shock but I've been loving the TTx22m coil for the last 9 months.
loved the drone footage and the 3rd person shots... good stuff
The video quality is top notch. I don't know what you are using but it sure is working because the video quality looks incredible.
This channel deserves way more subscribers. Just saying.
Your videos are informative as always.
Jeff, so interesting UA-cam suggested me your video. I have actually just installed the TTX2 AIR om my Offering V2. Best upgrade I have ever made.
Nice Chicken! I've been absolutely impressed by that shock, and enjoy the whole bike quite a bit more as a result.
I've FULL Ohlins suspension on my pivot Firebird 29. Yes all true! as suggestion of my suspension tech i went full Ohlins after my dpx2 went on assistance due to lack of compression and before that performance wasn't spot on, it lack A LOT on medium support (even with 0.6 tocken on it!). Swap with TTX2 2020, and i felt immediately more medium stroke support and a LOT of high speed sensibility and no lack of consistance. I bought also a 36 RFX evo m.1 with all the upgrades (170mm travel, plush and all SKF seals), and that was another big upgrade, fork was smooth and lot o medium support on compression, and with 3 chambers designs you can change settings on curve spring progession on fly!. Last but not least, Ohlins make their products upgradable and service-able, internals shims/etc are full CNC machined! Impressive! Fox use cheap cartridge plastic made on some models, and they tend to wear more easily, because not fully sealed cartridge. #goOhlins
Thanks for the information on this comment. I was looking at installing Ohlins on my specialized turbo levo. Been reading a lot about their technology and very impressed. This is one more comment that is definitely making me want to switch to Ohlins forks and shock. Thanks.
I'm always amazed at how you get so much traction in the corners in the dusty trails of PNW.
Take a class with @Fluidride or private lessons or both. Cornering is the key, lots of technique. Have fun out there. I learned a hard lesson East of the Cascades about dry conditions and cornering. After recovering, I took classes and some lessons.
Hey Jeff how does this feel in comparison to DVO? I know different bikes but just overall characteristics. 🤘
Nice video as always! The reliability issue of the ohlins shock was on the STX22 (single tube). I have one one my Specialized enduro s-works 2018 and it's really not the best shock i've ridden. Not reliable and ok performance. on the other hand a friend of mine has a Ohlins ttx air and it's so good ! He ride a Starling murumur, so really linear and it works really really well.
Smooth! That bike is wildly quiet.
Jeff, I’d love for you to do a comparison between your favorite air rear shocks and coil rear shocks. And to add another degree of complexity; maybe do the comparison with and without the cascade links.
I currently bounce between the DPX2 and the DHX2 with a cascade link on my SB130. Each shock definitely has its place. I’m from Wenatchee but currently live in NC. During the week I ride flatter trails so I mount the DPX2. On the weekends I venture to western NC where the trails are fairly rugged. I appreciate the added traction and supple feel of the DHX2 out there.
I’d love to know what you think!
Love this channel sooo much
great riding skills and style !
Great Video, I had a Cane Creek DB on my previous bike and I'm missing that plush feel on the initial stroke, the video explains why. I'm eyeballing the Ohlins.
Öhlins is pretty much the pinnacle of shock technology.
more then 50 years into high perfomance suspensions, it's enough to say they're the best!
It also cost alot so it's not for everyone.
@@ImDembeit's pretty comparable to fox though
Ohlins also make shocks for cars like BOS and Fox. I had OEM Ohlins shocks on a Renault Megane RS, they are tunable and so amazing in corners. I tried Ohlins on a Demo, it was IMO better than the Fox 40 and the X2. But still prefer my Marzocchi 380 C2R2 or a BOS Idylle / Obsys, they are way more sensitive and I am not tired after a trip to Whistler or Les Portes du Soleil.
These are so educational Jeff, thank you for putting so much into them. My question would be (since you still have your Ripmo I think) along with this Offering, these three shock / Cascade Performance / or Push Industries. Let your brain chew on all of that for a bit. Cheers, see ya on the trail!
Great video man
Usually pretty good stuff from ohlins. I'm pretty interested in the ttx22 coil
The ttx coil on the dh bike is amazing
I Have one on my CF Demo8 Got a Shotpeened TI Sping On The Way 😎
Hey Jeff, what are your thoughts on Push Industries and their Elevensix? It would be interesting to get a review from you on it. The DELTA linkage on the Offering seems to be a match made in heaven for that shock.
I wanna see you review their fork as well. I wanna exchange the fork i have on my bike and idk what to choose. Love your videos btw
Yooooo u did it!!!!
you should call up craig at avalanche suspension (have you ever head of them?) I've never ridden any of his stuff but have only heard great things about the upgrades they do, and I've been hearing those great things since the early 2000's. they sell their own shocks and forks too, but I think they are more known for their cartridge/revalve kits, upgrading dampers, and other internals of most brands of shocks, as well as just being super knowledgeable about suspension in general. every review i've read said that Craig's work transformed the ride of the bike unlike any other product they have tried. And he buils it specifically to your riding style too. for instance i know he makes a speed sensitive damper for both of those fox shocks, and more. also, if you're looking for video ideas: have you ever ridden a push eleven six, or the ext storia? (i know they are coil shocks, but it would be cool to see someone compare those more high-end "boutique brand" shocks to the big name brands offerings most of us are more familiar with, they're supposedly better, and i've only heard great things about those too.
You can actually see and hear the rear tire track better. Nice.
I took the ohlins team zip lining 10 years ago or so. They hooked me up with a shirt. They were cool.
Hahaha that's awesome! Where was that? When I hear of epic ziplines, I think of Costa Rica!
@@JeffKendallWeed it was at navitat canopy adventures in Barnardsville NC.
Great review. What are your thoughts on the RockShox Monarch?
Can you review the Ohlins RXF38 next???
Glad you made this video. I have been considering a TTX over over past couple months. My local suspension guru's say it is the best shock. I have a Cascade link on 2019' Bronson. I recently put a megneg on my super Deluxe. It is pretty dialed after, some tinkering.
I just bought a ttx2 air and am swapping between a SD ultimate with a megneg and shims. Should be interesting to see how they test out.
What settings did you end up with? I'm at 3 bands and 1 token on my V3 Bronson.
You can also try the new float X it may be good middle ground as well
Great review! I had the ttx2 on my levo sl and it was way better than the 21 x2 and dpx2, now i have the ttx1 on a sb130 and its so much better than the dpx2, and i also run a ttx coil on my specialized enduro. I definitely think they are better than fox and rockshox but in general you cant go wrong with any of those 3. They are small differences and I think you described them well in your video. I find more traction with ohlins than anything else and the flat lands i have taken with their .m2 air forks is unreal. having 2 air chambers and no tokens to deal with makes it easy and the small range of adjustment on the entire ohlins line is noticable, with fox there are so many adjustments its easy to find yourself just overthinking settings, where Ohlins has really been set it and forget it for me. Surprisingly their air shock feels very similiar to their coil and i think it has to do with the way they dampen like in the diagrams you showed.
Great info. Would you mind sharing your damping settings on the m.2? I've been struggling quite a while with getting a perfect setup. Currently running rebound 8 from closed. LSC 8 from open. HSC fully open.
Main air spring: I'm between 115 psi to 125psi
Ramp up I'm between 150psi to 190psi usually 155psi.
Any help would be appreciated!
@@gaffney92 sorry for the delay just seeing this now. I weight 160lbs so the settings are off that but this is what I run both bikes.
Yeti SB130:
Front:
Ramp Pressure: 190
Main Chamber Pressure: 108
LSC: 8
R: 12
Rear:
Air Pressure: 161
LSC: 3
R: 6
Specialized Enduro:
Front:
Ramp Pressure: 190
Main Chamber Pressure: 108
LSC: 10
R: 12
Rear:
503lb spring
LSC: 8
R: 4
Been eyeing the ttx for my sb130. Why did you choose the ttx1 vs the ttx2 for your 130?
@@Kevin-dm4ul I had a ttx2 sitting there and debating on using it but their configuration tool at the time recommended the ttx1 only. I had the 2 from a specialized which needs the extra volume based on suspension design. The yeti doesn’t need the 2 I guess? I hit 40-50ft doubles no issues with the 1 on the sb130 can even land on flat. I put the largest volume spacer in it and have no complaints.
@@Kevin-dm4ul one other major difference with the 1 and 2. With the 1 by hand you can add vol spacers. With the 2 you need a specialty tool or to make your own version by cutting a piece out of a classic flat tool park bb tool to fit over the air sleeve. That alone would make me prefer the 1 as long as it works based on air chamber.
Hi Jeff, wondering if you've ever used Push eleven-six for your rear shock? you mentioned it's the rear shock you had to swap over and over and seems like that's the hardest thing to dial that would fit your riding style. just not sure if it can be customed to the evil offering.
Can you please do a video comparing the Evil Offering vs Ibis Ripmo V2? Thanks 🙏
mad skills... mad shocks
The sleeves only works on the #2 air version, in the outer can. Yours is a #1, not sure why it was included with it.
Hey Jeff can you mention the starting point with setting up. On the web is only recommending air pressure. But that not enough. I’m struggle with good set up about 2 years and still not sure if I’m on right direction.
Always wondered why someone would by this shock compared to like an x2 but it's better than I thought it would be
Compares directly to the X2, as both are twin tube dampers. I am blown away at how good the shim style damping feels on the Ohlin vs the needle damping on the x2!
Literally picked up and installed mine today. Covid has has made Fox and rockshox products hard to come by, my DHX2 has given me nothing but issues, so I needed a replacement. Decided on the ttx, The guys at Ohlins factory tuned my shock for rider weight and bike leverage ratio at no extra cost. It really is a different feel, most noticeable for me, it’s firm and supportive but as soon as you hit a bump or some chatter it soaks it up
Coming from the moto world I’m familiar with Öhlins but I understand that the moto and MTB worlds are different. I’m happy with my DPX2 on my pivot mach6 but I feel that I’m just lacking that little umph for a lack of a better term.
Check out Avalanche suspension.
Actual Moto technology inside your R shock.
Man the coil version is seek!!!!
Also pls do dvo suspension tooo :)
quick question do you happen know Lon Cullen I just did a mtb camp with him here in Bellingham, I heard him say something about Jeff
Considering a TTX1 for my Ripley AF. Any of you guys have thoughts on that?
Jeff, how do you think this shock would suit the new RM Altitude? I really like it with the DPX2, but it would be cool to try something different!
Oh man, I can only guess, Jorden, but I'd think it would do well. I'd love to have more experience with both items though- I only rode the Altitude with the X2, and only have ridden a TTX air on the Evil.
Has anyone tried this shock on a Santa Cruz tallboy 4? I have beefed up tallboy 4 with fox 36 and cascade link.
I'm concerned that I won't be able to reach the air valve with the tb4 shock tunnel design
Let’s get you on a Manitou Mezzer 🤤
Gran video,no descuides tu español,un saludo Jeff
Hey Jeff, did you use the TTX1 or TTX2? Ohlins says they recommend the TTX2 for more progressive suspension systems which to me means I should go with the TTX2 for my Offering. Just curious if that's the one you went with?
His is the ttx1.
Was that 6 clicks from open or closed?
went for an ext as it seems to have everything and i got it used for 600$
Question: are the differences you felt able to be achieved with the Fox shocks with different (bike-specific) tunes and/or just settings adjustments? Or are things like initial progressivity, mid-stroke support point, etc. just specific to the shocks themselves?
Cant really improve the break away point of a shock
Whats the weight rating for this shock? As a heavy rider 260lbs kitted up would this shock be a good choice?
Hi Meeso, I have no idea on a weight rating. Try contacting Ohlins directly with that question!!!
Ohlins is the GOAT, they have been making suspension for racing way before you were in your dads bag.
😂 kinda struggling with their fork tho TBH!
@@JeffKendallWeed Didnt know, i need to check out some reviews on it. I am a huge fan, coming from the superbikes, I have used some of their products, and they always been better than OEM suspension on motorcycles. So when they moved to include mountain biking I was very excited.
@@robygoncalves4348 I came from motorcycle racing as well. I'm looking forward to the RXF38 coming out. One thing that appeals to me is they have a settings bank for their mountain bike stuff, just like they do with their moto stuff. So any of their shops can easily change the shim stacks, with all the data already mapped out for them. I notice that most of the reviews fail to mention this, when I think it's actually one of the most useful "features". Basically factory authorized custom valving.
Can't wait to view this.....wanted to post first regarding my Evil Wreckoning LB V2.
Like you I've been struggling with the rear suspension after trying the Fox DPX2 and rockshox. Some of the words that come to mind in the rear suspension: wallow, rear-end flex, stiff, without top-end plushness and blow through travel when running too much sag resulting in pedal/bottom bracket strike.
Overall, trying to find the right shock before I call this bike a lemon. All of the previous Evil bike's suspension seem defective as I've demoed the insurgent and following, being unimpressed.
I have an ttx ohlins on my spesh enduro and its super plush, but needs some support at end stoke that I just can't seem to remedy.
Would like to see you review the Push industries coil to see what results you get. Great content!
Seems like Fox built the Float X just for riders like you who want the pop of the DPX2 and the squish of the X2
Do you have to send an ohlins shock off to Germany for rebuilds?
I read that they have a US distribution center and the shock is capable to be worked on at home to a degree.
Germany?! What's in Germany? Ohlins is a Swedish company, which is a different country than Germany. Swedish means from Sweden. Anyhow, if you are in the USA, it looks like there is an Ohlins distributor in Hendersonville, NC, but after looking at the diagrams of the shock, I would think any suspension service center would be able to service it.
@@JeffKendallWeed German, Swedish. Same thing 😉
@@derrickj925 American, Canadian same thing 😉
Try that Ohlins fork. Change your life....
This bike was really easy to assemble ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
good driver but bad test. You can tune Shox for your style of riding....
uses a meatball as volume reducer.
It's Öhlins, not "Olins", Jeff! 😅
TTX 2 AIR 🫵
I'm 5'5, Should I get 50cm or 52cm?
Hye Jeff, it looks like you like to pop off every small lip and such. Have you ever ridden an Orange? Those bikes pop off everything without even trying.
Hey Ed, thanks for the note! I have not ridden an Orange in recent history, last time was 15 years ago. I would be totally into trying an Orange, but I struggled in the past with the chain tug on the pedals as the rear end compressed.