Are Mooney's Really Harder to Fix? (Mooney Maintenance Insight)
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2020
- The airplane is in for it's annual inspection and I give some insight as to why Mooney's can be known for being harder to perform maintenance on than other aircraft manufacturers like Cessna and Piper.
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I'm guessing that you are not sponsored by Mooney. Love the honest matter-of-fact approach you take to this.
Glad I found your channel! Love the Mooney! Hope to fly one someday soon. Keep up the great work!
Very informative, thanks for sharing; hard to find Mooney maintenance videos..Steady that video somehow bud, would be awesome! Keep em comin. First video of yours I watched. Well done.
I just stumbled into your chanel and really like your "as I am" approach. Please keep it up ! We're all average in varying degrees. I just removed my cowling in my 177RG last night and will never snivel about it again! Also thanks for the links to Vince's chanel. By chance he's just a hanger row over from me. (small world)
Enjoying watching your videos. I'm a A&P mechanic working in Africa on beach king Airs for the Army and I am a pilot. I'm looking at buying a mooney when I get back to the states. Would love to talk to you and other Mooney owners
Feel free to shoot me an email with contact info and I'll definitely share some information!
The videos just keep improving. I'm really rooting for the channel. C-ya!
Thank you, it means a lot!
@@AverageAviator I'm thinking about starting my own channel at one point and I found this video pretty instructive. Maybe you'll get some use out of it too: ua-cam.com/video/z4OprqxDsv4/v-deo.html
@@fillywinks I'm only 40 seconds into the video and I already vehemently disagree with the premise "Friends don't let friends make bad videos". My view is that friends should encourage other friends to be creative and make whatever makes them happy, whether its viewed as good or bad. If I felt I couldn't make a video unless I made a "good" one, I would have made 0 videos. Let's face it, all our first attempts are going to be bad and they are never going to get better if we don't start, and more so keep making bad attempts. I have started and stopped creating many times because I felt it wasn't worth it if I wasn't making something that was of a certain quality. But the point is to keep going and to keep improving with each attempt, and I still probably won't ever be "good" like cinema or Trent Palmer style videos. But that shouldn't matter because my goal is to share my knowledge and passion of aviation, not just make good videos.
@@fillywinks So I guess the short answer is DO IT! Don't care at first as to how bad it is, just make it. It's a lot of work as I have realized. But I do it because I like it and I want to share my experience, not because I want to become big. So if you are wanting to start, think about what you want to share, focus on that, and then do what you can to do it in the best and most practical way that works for you. If that's not cinema quality, well then who cares, keep improving! Good Luck!
Sorry for the rant, he does have some good tips! Thanks for sharing!
Mooney actually thought about maintenance on the rear of the engine, the bottom engine mount bolts run across the airframe and the top fore and aft so you can put a stand under the tail and a strap with a hoist on the prop then remove the upper engine mount bolts from the firewall. you can then lower the hoist and let the engine pivot forward to get to all the accessories on the rear of the engine. For the oil filter you can poke a hole in it and use compressed air to blow the oil out of it and back into the engine cutting way down on the amount that would drip out when removing it, also fashion a small drip catcher to place under the filter to catch any oil that drips out. A Mooney is not the worst to work on but it's also not the easiest.
The last thing I'd want to do, is blow the oil out of the filter back in to the engine. Well, at least the filter analysis will never show debris again...
So, working on this Mooney is like working on a, say a BMW or a Volvo. Nothing is easy anymore. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Really interesting to see how the Mooney is constructed. I would have expected everything to be fixed on an internal frame I guess it's weight thing or as in my job, the manufacturers don't think anyone will ever need to work on it 😊
It's all push tubes
I've worked in brand new 172s back to M models, diamonds, pipers...pretty much everything. I appreciate the access to things in the belly of the mooney, working on brake cylinders is really annoying but for Mooney it's in the belly along with most everything else.
Mooneys were designed for owners, really. They are not for flight schools or time builders generally. For this reason they're a lot cheaper but, unlike most other GA trainers, the more complex systems add to more maintenance overall. Having retractable gear and a constant speed is just not desirable for maintenance costs. Personally id probably rather own one over a piper but diamond or cessna would be my preference
Where does the other end of the alternate air SCAT hose attach ? the one on my 64 m20c has not been attached since I have owned it. Keep up the good content
Where does that lower cowl secondary air scat tube go? I believe that is used for the passive bost used in a later model (you have the cowl mod and it is compatible w/both). Mine didn’t go anywhere and is not found in the parts or service manual. [1962 M20C]
My Highlander cowling comes off or on in five minutes or less.
Doesn’t cruise 140 knots but breaks ground in 140 feet😍
I have found that the fuel tanks are hard to work on, specially leaking tanks.
Trav, have you done or know of anyone that has made a video of where to grease/lub a Mooney and what greases go where? Could I DM you? Would you do a video? I have a 65 M20C and the IPC doesn't show much, not does the service manual.
When you were undoing the landing light it looked like a hole in the tube you had to move away. Is that a problem? Love your channel too and hope to own a Mooney M20C of my own someday!
Thanks for the kind words! I think the scat you ware talking about is for cabin heat, so the hole, while not ideal, wasn't necessarily a problem. That whole airplane could have used all new scat tubing, but everything is a tradeoff. If I make everything on the plane look really good and new before I flew, I wouldn't have any money to actually fly it!
My solution on that middle tube is -- don't take it off from that end until you drop the bottom cowling, and put it back before you put it back on.
I did that when I put it back on, being by myself, I figured I would just shove my hand in as far as I could instead of trying to hold the cowl with one hand and blindly fumble with the screwdriver with the other when the cowl is detached.
@@AverageAviator Yeah, it is a very tight fit!
That tubing at 7:19 was perforated. Idk if that’s an issue
👍👍👍. Could you let me know of your preheater setup. I saw where the hose were in the front opening in this video. My FBI charges $20 per preheat. That could be going into the tank.
I've used a couple setups, the one you are referring to is the most efficient. Its basically a kerosene jet heater with dryer tubing attached to the front. You can even take it one step further and make some cowl plugs out of insulation and aluminum tape. Another method I've used is just two small ceramic heaters on full blast propped up by ladders and in extreme cold I used blankets to try to help trap the heat. That method is a little less effective but is better than nothing. In my current hangar I use the two ceramic heater method but I place them in the cowling under the panels.
I am glad I'm not the only person that has gotten a wrench stuck like that
Every airplane has its quirks to learn. People who perpetuate the maintenance myth just don’t have the experience.
at least you dont have to pull the prop off to get your lower cowl off.
I hate removing the top cowl on my 1961 Mooney. I have never removed the bottom one.
Interesting, I have removed mine more times than I would like. 2 or 3 times to replace the starter (the used ones I got kept dying on me), once to fix the muffler, and once to replace the generator. I think I also have done it at least once or twice more for other reasons. I got good at it from all those times but its still a pain.
@@AverageAviator My A&P did remove mine a few years ago when I had an engine overhaul :-(
Oof. At least you have low time engine now.
I’m a pilot/mechanic. Never owned or worked on a Mooney. I was considering buying one. Not so sure now. Over an hour to remove the cowls. Persistent fuel leaks. I took a look at one last weekend and moving parts in the landing gear actually hitting each other while it’s sitting on the ground. I’m pretty sure it’s not supposed to work like that. Looks like poor rigging and/or worn out parts. Other mechanics warn me to be ready to spend $20,000 on landing gear on almost any Mooney I look at. It’s cool and fast. I really like it but I’d have to get some more hands on work to decide. Comments and opinions would be welcome.
I used to own a 1967 M20F. Due to a bunch of factors, I forgot to schedule my annual one year with the nearby Mooney expert. I was told they didn't have any openings for 4 to 5 months, so I took it to a large shop instead. It was a mess. Cost twice as much, they messed up a fuel cap (I had O&N bladders) and fuel poured out during flight. The right tank emptied in less than 30 minutes . They did not bleed the flaps correctly (older Mooney's have a unique manual hydraulic flap system). When I went to raise the flaps, they just popped up to fully retracted instantly - not good. Less then a year later, performance problems turned out to be a cracked block at 800 hours. I would seriously suggest using a expert (are any left?) for the annual. If you're an A&P, get some model-specific training.
Not exactly harder, just pure junk. They were half wore out when they left the factory. Best thing you could do with a Mooney is take the engine off the front and put it on a biplane......
Not to slam, I’m guessing you are not a mechanic in any trade. Next time use a 1/4 drive ratchet for removing 3/8 head bolts, the 3/8 ratchet is too big for that size bolt. 40 + helicopter mechanic here.
I don’t think you had to mention the first part, kinda a loser move
It's fine, and you are correct, I'm not a professional mechanic in any sense, but I've been teaching myself how to work on things since I graduated high school, and I'm learning more every day. Growing up, I never had anyone show me how to do anything mechanical and I just accepted that for a while. But then I got a motorcycle and learned I really liked wrenching on it, and I've come a long way since then. I've also had to make do with what I've had on hand for a long time. I appreciate the critique, I'm definitely always wanting to learn more from those with more experience.