960GB SSD costs $100 these days.... They couldn't put 2 or 3 more in there? And not even HDR10+? These guys are price gouging hard. I think they're aiming for the "too rich to care" market. It's a cool product, but I'll stick with physical media. I don't want K Scape to be in control of what I can watch. There's pride and security in ownership.
I think the only "reasonable" argument is that you're paying for access to their service. The device itself seems like a $200 Shield Pro with a $100 ssd tacked on, selling for $4k. Must be nice to have that kind of monopoly.
Well you see they don't just use any ol' hard drives... oh no! Every wire inside the hard drive was manufactured by Monster Cable. Each hard drive wire is no less than 2AWG with a 9 volt battery, and arrows which show the direction the signal is supposed to flow. That makes your video and audio nearly a 10th of a percent better. It's a night and day difference... well, night and ever-so-slightly less night difference. #worthit
Spoken like a true keyboard warrior. Walmart is just down the road that way. 👉 I'm sure they'll have something cheap for you and will need to be replaced in under a year. Good luck. 👍
How broke are you? Have you seen their other offerings? The cheapest you can get in to their current environment was $8,000 so this is 50% off to get in…
People dunk on Vision Pro but that legitimately costs $1k+ even for Apple. This? This costs them $200 at most. They're charging $4k to offset their move license agreements + storage/egress costs, and they overcharge on every movie anyway. Insane
The cost of this unit is fine. It’s what they charge for additional hard drive space that’s criminal. I can build an 80TB NAS quite cheaply (compared to their costs for storage). Then I could download EVERYTHING I buy on Kscape and feel like I do own it. Only having 10 movies on the unit is ridiculous. If they disappear as a company, and their access to everything you buy goes away, you literally will only have 10 movies to show for your investment. It’s the proprietary storage that is the main issue with Kaleidoscape! If I own it through them, then why can’t I put it on my own drives? Piracy maybe? I don’t know….but wish someone would find out and report why.
Seeing loads of influencers pushing the same video title and headline, 'They did it!!'. Not sure why they couldn't have a Shield Pro like device years ago. 4k!! Yikes. Remember when you buy online you don't own the movie.
@@therealshanelee I'm pretty sure he meant that the Kscape ecosystem is much tighter than say just buying a wider array of 4K disc players. I understand why Kscape keeps it within their own players, not just for money but for copyright issues as well. But let's be honest with Plex and Zidoo users... I'm sure there is more than a handful which view pirated content. This is the untold truth and draw for a lot of people.
Nope. One Zidoo Z9X Pro One Synology 1821+ with four 20 TB drives Rip my own Blu-rays. Half the price of the Strato V. I even added another Zidoo client in another room.
@@ericblomquist1975I have over 300 titles (several being multi-disc TV series and all with the exception of 3 discs ripped for me and the three that wouldn't rip were due to scratchet discs. MakeMKV is fantastic.
Yes. That's not "affordable" by ANY definition, however contorted! How many times could you buy those 10 movies on physical disc for the same $4000. LOL. And it's all because people are too lazy to stand up and change discs.
@@mrtickleukyea I can't really see the justification for the price if your limited to 10 movies and still have to rebuy everything at full price. Way to much just to simply watch a movie in great quality when you can do that with a disc. In general it just seems like a product that wouldn't be worth it regardless of the price. I don't see it being something that would justify me replacing all my disc for
I know you didn't want this type of comment but it's important to compare the unbelievable price difference. Just rip 4k blu rays. You can't even expand storage without paying ungodly prices on this thing. You can get a 20 tb hard drive right now for under 300 dollars. Sorry. If you want the simpler format and are willing to pay 20 times the price (more really), that's cool. Just good to let people know the options. I love the concept and if the players get down to 1000 bucks with 20 tb of storage, then I'm in. I suppose this was a big step, but there's a long way to go.
I also agree this is still more than the typical movie lover will spend but at least we are seeing some downward pricing. For the folks who don't mind and are technically savvy, ripping is the way to go based on cheaper cost but going with the typical movie viewing, ripping is still not something they want to do from my experience of the people in a local movie group I'm in. I mentioned that I rip file and they collectively just sigh even though they admit my Zidoo setup is very convenient. They told me they would have my setup if I did it for them!
I mean there’s a ton of movies that are on 4k on iTunes and KScape that aren’t on disc. And a ton of movies that are released months earlier than disc. KScape is for someone who wants the best quality and can afford it without blinking an eye
Optical discs are going the way of the Dodo bird. Many, if not most of the 4K movies available on Kaleidescape are not available on 4K Blu-ray, meaning that Kaleidescape is the only way to watch these movies with visually-lossless video quality and lossless spatial audio. Kaleidescape's store makes new movies available the second they are released digitally. You often have to wait months or years after the digital release for a movie to be available on disc.
I will give credit to Shane for engaging with his community and responding to comments and critiques. Even though they are not in favor of the Kscape system and how the video came across.
I think they screwed up not adding the HDR10+ for us projector owners. Dolby Vision isn’t gonna sway too many people with TV’s and the “too expensive I buy disks people”
They are getting close but not there yet. There storage option still need to get lower to. I love my movies but work to hard to spend that much "Spare Change".
Storage upgrades need to be drastically cheaper. What they are charging should be criminal. They want a thousand extra dollars for 7 extra terabytes of storage. You can get a 20 TB hard drive for under 300 bucks today. Criminal.
I'd love to get into Kaleidescape but I really don't have that much disposable income. The Panasonic UB820 + mainstream 4K disc release is just too great a value to pass up... That being said, your comment about DIY'ing a 4K movie server has me thinking...
I might've considered it at 4TB of storage. I get that the it's the software (the movies) itself that os the "killer app", not the hardware. But let's get real, the build-of-materials in no way justifies this price. This is a blunder, imho.
Someone explain to me how you can justify a media player with less than a terabyte of storage can cost more then TWO 65 inch LG G3 OLED TVs and it’s the cheapest model they have. Even if you had the budget, how can you justify this price? I actually do not understand…
They could've made this $1999. With products like Zidoo and Dune HD they aren't gonna sell when they're are cheaper options on the market. I get the convenience thing but $4000 as an affordable option isnt really affordable for most people lol
They could have use their movie store to make tons of money. But they chose to sell expensive hardware. Strato C was $4000. So adding a 1TB SSD for the same price isn't really a price drop. I would buy it at $1000.
So what happens when your hard drive fails or ssd fails can you get free refund from them to replace the ones that fizzled out or you have to buy them straight of them and im also curious with hard drives being canceled what happens to all the people who have one will they get compensated or will they have to dish another 20gs
I’ll be purchasing this for my dedicated room to feed my 97” G2 (finally). I had been holding out for Dolby Vision. The fact that they integrated storage is perfect. For those claiming discs are the only way to truly own the content: DRM is performed at multiple levels and a disc that plays today could be revoked through a firmware update tomorrow 😅. Anyhow (DRM is a rabbit hole), I’ll be primarily using this player for watching new releases, and not trying to rebuild my Apple or disc collection.
Wow so many people complaining. I love my KS system and I have 40tb of storage and adore how quick and simple it is to use. And the quality is great via my lg 8k signature tv. You need to actually use this to see how good the platform is in operation. Most people should just stick to discs and a player I get that too.
I would love one someday, But at that price, I hate to have to buy all 330+ movies I already have on digital (movies anywhere and Vudu). I'm currently buying physical 4K of all my favorites.
I've given up on the "Dream" of having a Media Server that stores all of my movies. I'm at the point were I'd be ok with a device that stores my Top 25 all time movies in the highest quality.
If you pair this with a Terra Server, will you get the updated Picture Wall UI that makes Kaleidescape so attractive? I find the Strato V's UI to be very cheap looking.
Well it holds a little more than ten 4k movies. Every cover would be on screen at once. Kinda defeats the purpose of the cover wall. Besides once you get around 30-40 movies the cover wall becomes annoying to use cause it's hard to find what your looking for. The list view is far more useful. Just not as cool looking.
Ub820 when I purchased was 450cad I believe and all my movies added to that price still doesn't reach the Strato V price. 6k cad is nuts unless you make good money. Edit: Hopefully they survive long enough to get cheaper
Does it have to be their Terra servers or can we use our DIYs? Is there like a handshaking software that prevents it from connecting with a non Kaleidescape server? Thanks!!!
I think this is a solid product and a good move for them, but I'd like to see around 4-5 TB or so for that price. To me, it seems like this price point for 1 TB should be around $2500. It looks like it's just an M.2 drive for storage from the pictures. The difference in price between a 1TB and 4TB drive is like $100, next to nothing. If I were them, I'd offer the 1TB for $2500 and $500/TB for extra storage. They can do that without changing any hardware other than the drive. Having said that, I might still get this when my theater renovation gets done this Fall.
@therealshanelee - They're not "uncompressed movies"... the audio compression is lossless (Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA), and the video is lightly compressed (it is visually lossless). So, the content is compressed, but the experience is aurally and visually lossless.
Would have been nice to have 4TB plus of storage. We have a Strato 6TB and that filled up very quickly. If they are under the 1TB mark I think $2.5k would have been better and then upsell on the terra servers. Still a great product though.
Saw a bunch of videos on my feed saying "they did it" and "affordable price".... This got me excited hoping they released a player under $1,000... Unfortunately $4K is still way out of my league. Will stick to 4K disc and Apple TV 4K for now.
Being honest, the two items that you have make the most sense. The Apple TV 4K just gets better and better year after year. If Apple ever introduce Dolby True HD to iTunes, then I wonder how desirable the Kscape route would be then. For Kscape does not make any sense - it's certainly not a luxury brand but what is a luxury brand compared to a professional market brand? Luxury brand means nothing in alll fairness - it's how the brand performs in all areas along with longevity that truly counts.
@@BarcelonasHotCrowd 100% agree. The moment that the big streaming devices start to introduce lossless audio, I think that will significantly erode the value prop of the Kalidescape (if there even is one)
@@BarcelonasHotCrowd also the cost of Research and Development scales much differently between a small company like Kalidescape and a huge company like Apple.
Strato V is retailing for £5390 here in the UK!? “Affordable” lol. $3900 converts to around £2970. Not sure the reasoning for the extreme mark up but it can’t all be import taxes & VAT surely? Also, 10 movies only? Should be 35 - 50 at least.
It's still a rip I mean I'd get it if they allowed your own ssd or hdd drive there most likely just sticker on there ssd or hdd probably samsung or any ssd manufacturers that are around so pass unless they start allowing you to use your own storage still kind of a Rip
@@cenunix what is with you not understanding the luxury market niche isn't for you? I also cover kscape, physical media, streaming , Disc players and Media players. The hate only comes with the price of kscape. Unwarranted cause most people don't see the value in it and they make it a personal thing with not only the brand but the person talking about it. If you don't like something. Oh well. Move on.
How many UHD blu rays is it? 200? You can buy last two decades top 10 movies from each year. Not to mention kaleidoscope movies are more expensive than physical media no? This is totally missing the point - people with money don’t care if they spend 20k or 4k - they want to have storage and not needing to redownload content, because they can’t be asked to put physical media in. Those who don’t want to waste money won’t buy it even for 2k. Sony bravia is offering similar service and it’s for free - direct stream no downloads needed just buy and watch
Better price for sure and it makes sense if you don't have a 4k disc collection, but for those who already have a 4k player and a large collection of discs its too much of a negative. To not only drop 4k on the new player and then another 5k+ on more storage if not more and having to RE-BUY your entire collection really sucks. If they could come out with a player at 1-2k with no storage inside and you could provide your own hard drive i think more people would start to switch over but for now im sticking with discs.
Thanks Shane! I'm hoping that the HD Fury 8K VRROOM can convert LLDV to HDR10 for projectors, which should be good enough. Don;t forget some UST projectors are Dolby Vision. :)
@@therealshanelee I think whole point is that "affordable" is entirely wrong word for their whole range. If you'd said "the most affordable Ferrari" it would sound equally ridiculous. It's stretching that word far beyond what is sensible.
@@mrtickleuk why would it sound ridiculous? I'm sure Ferrari has a flagship model and an entry level model that is far more affordable than the flagship. What's the confusion here.
Hey Shane I have a server with a Zidoo and I rip my discs in full quality. Have you ever had a Kaleidoscape title that you have noticed any picture or sound quality improvements over the 4K Blu-ray counterpart? Thanks!
Yikes, this is so niche. $4000 buys a lot of discs. The joke is that I can easily afford this but just can’t see any real world benefits. Hope is does well for those who like it.
Dolby Vision hasn't excited me since the early days. Most people, including myself, can't really tell the difference. I may pick this one up for the bedroom. It should be compatible with my Strato S.
They should have added 3D support. In my opinion, that would have been more beneficial than DV. Especially for those of us with 3D compatible TV's and projectors. They need to make this happen
It's good to see a downward trend in price while adding in DV but it will still be out of reach for most movie lovers. They will capture some customers as I think you are absolutely right for folks who may have a larger panel of 100" or more that has the ability to view Dolby Vision. That is a subset of enthusiasts who maybe willing to spend $4k along with some DV UST folks.
Think of the Strato V as a local cache for movies you want to watch soon. You can purchase and own as many movies as you would like from the Kaleidescape store. Movies generally take less than 10 min to download on a gigabit connection.
I have been waiting for a lower cost option...was hopeing for around $2k...but this is step in right direction. I am one that understands that the insane prices of Kscape has very little to do with hardware...it has to do with licensing Kscape has to oay the studios. Customers are essentially paying a high VAT for access to essentially buy movies from studios as best format/quality. It is definitly for a niche customer base even at $4k.
I really wish they could do some kind of partnership with Netflix, AppleTV, Disney+, etc. Without this, every year they are loosing the appeal for me; I want an all-in-one player for movies at their highest quality video and sound.
This is absolutely huge! I am buying this! It is affordable, exactly what I need for a small library, and DOLBY VISION. All of which I was holding out for.
Still not worth it. Cheaper and FAR more economical to buy 4k Discs and rip them to your own hard drives. You can get a 20TB for $300. A burner for $200. And also you do NOT OWN the movies on Kaleidescape. Read the fine print. You license to view them and keep them in your library, you do NOT own the movie.
The original price of the player was not bad, it's the prices of the HDD that are insane and hard for them to justify the cost they are selling them at.
Good job kscape. Im sure the haters are still going to complain, which I can already see in the comments, lol.. but thetas what they are supposed to do. Please just make changes to the UI to show us all our content in our accounts!
@@therealshanelee I love the product. Just not at the price and configuration price. I wish there was a competitor. Prices would have to drop wildly. Their hard drive prices remind me of early apple computers specs vs windows specs. Only in this case there is no real competitor. The alternative is infinitely cheaper but not the same and not as simple for the non tech savvy. It probably won't be reasonably priced until there is a competitor. I do love that, since streaming is trash by comparison to even standard blu ray, there is at least some product that aims to deliver high quality content as physical media continues to be threatened as a medium. We need a competitor though to make prices reasonable. Even still, I love the ability to just put a movie on a thumb drive, bring it to my fried or family's place, and watch it there. Pointing out the downsides vs... doesn't make us haters. It makes us reasonable.
It kind of looks like, except for the newest releases, the kaleidescape movies aren't even available in Dolby Vision. Just HDR 10. Am I incorrect about that? If not, anything but newest releases would be limited to HDR 10 even though this new device has Dolby vision. It would be nice if they would upgrade the previous catalog.
Listen the main cost you pay for is their great licensing agreements. I think this now makes it so much more affordable. It’s 6k in Canada. Prior to that my only option was 14k Canadian. I paid 5 K for my Anthem MRX 1140, so this is worth it to me.
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960GB SSD costs $100 these days.... They couldn't put 2 or 3 more in there? And not even HDR10+? These guys are price gouging hard. I think they're aiming for the "too rich to care" market.
It's a cool product, but I'll stick with physical media. I don't want K Scape to be in control of what I can watch. There's pride and security in ownership.
where else have you seen "affordable" today? lol
I think the only "reasonable" argument is that you're paying for access to their service. The device itself seems like a $200 Shield Pro with a $100 ssd tacked on, selling for $4k. Must be nice to have that kind of monopoly.
@@MRPC5 This would be a better selling point if it were 1000 dollars (just for access basically) and a 20 TB hard drive.
The player is way over priced.
Well you see they don't just use any ol' hard drives... oh no! Every wire inside the hard drive was manufactured by Monster Cable. Each hard drive wire is no less than 2AWG with a 9 volt battery, and arrows which show the direction the signal is supposed to flow. That makes your video and audio nearly a 10th of a percent better. It's a night and day difference... well, night and ever-so-slightly less night difference. #worthit
$4000 is supposed to be affordable? Hard pass.
lol for real I'm still gonna buy disks that's way cheaper
It is affordable given the previous offerings from them. Not meant for the average person
He’s a talking piece for kaleidoscape
Spoken like a true keyboard warrior. Walmart is just down the road that way. 👉 I'm sure they'll have something cheap for you and will need to be replaced in under a year. Good luck. 👍
How broke are you? Have you seen their other offerings? The cheapest you can get in to their current environment was $8,000 so this is 50% off to get in…
People dunk on Vision Pro but that legitimately costs $1k+ even for Apple. This? This costs them $200 at most. They're charging $4k to offset their move license agreements + storage/egress costs, and they overcharge on every movie anyway. Insane
The cost of this unit is fine. It’s what they charge for additional hard drive space that’s criminal. I can build an 80TB NAS quite cheaply (compared to their costs for storage). Then I could download EVERYTHING I buy on Kscape and feel like I do own it. Only having 10 movies on the unit is ridiculous. If they disappear as a company, and their access to everything you buy goes away, you literally will only have 10 movies to show for your investment. It’s the proprietary storage that is the main issue with Kaleidoscape! If I own it through them, then why can’t I put it on my own drives? Piracy maybe? I don’t know….but wish someone would find out and report why.
The price is still too high for me. Once it comes down to around $1500, then I'll jump on board.
Seeing loads of influencers pushing the same video title and headline, 'They did it!!'. Not sure why they couldn't have a Shield Pro like device years ago. 4k!! Yikes. Remember when you buy online you don't own the movie.
What's the difference between the movie living on a plastic disc vs a hard drive? Once it's downloaded it's yours until you delete it.
Nothing different with a file being on a HDD than a disc. But it’s a difference when it’s living digitally locked on a Kaleidescape system.
@@kaelmedia8693 I could be mistaken but discs are technically locked too.
@@therealshanelee I'm pretty sure he meant that the Kscape ecosystem is much tighter than say just buying a wider array of 4K disc players. I understand why Kscape keeps it within their own players, not just for money but for copyright issues as well. But let's be honest with Plex and Zidoo users... I'm sure there is more than a handful which view pirated content. This is the untold truth and draw for a lot of people.
@@therealshanelee Yes…they are. But the locked disc will always be playable as it’s a universal standard.
For me $4000/- Kaleidescape should have DV with HDR10, HDR10+ and 20 or 40TB of SSD that will be awesome and affordable for us.
$4000.00 with no HDR10+😂😂
This is a hard sell. I can understand spending this amount or more on a receiver, amplifier, speakers, or projector, not on a lossless digital player.
Nope.
One Zidoo Z9X Pro
One Synology 1821+ with four 20 TB drives
Rip my own Blu-rays.
Half the price of the Strato V.
I even added another Zidoo client in another room.
I agree on the ripping but half of them fail for me. Its frustrating. DVDs work great though.
@@ericblomquist1975I have over 300 titles (several being multi-disc TV series and all with the exception of 3 discs ripped for me and the three that wouldn't rip were due to scratchet discs. MakeMKV is fantastic.
@@ericblomquist1975 Dvddfab MAKEMKV re great which software you use to rip?
$4000 for the player, only space for 10 movies and have to re-buy all movies. It is still to expensive compared to physical media.
Yes. That's not "affordable" by ANY definition, however contorted! How many times could you buy those 10 movies on physical disc for the same $4000. LOL. And it's all because people are too lazy to stand up and change discs.
@@mrtickleukyea I can't really see the justification for the price if your limited to 10 movies and still have to rebuy everything at full price. Way to much just to simply watch a movie in great quality when you can do that with a disc. In general it just seems like a product that wouldn't be worth it regardless of the price. I don't see it being something that would justify me replacing all my disc for
@@dominicarroyo6269 indeed!
I know you didn't want this type of comment but it's important to compare the unbelievable price difference. Just rip 4k blu rays. You can't even expand storage without paying ungodly prices on this thing. You can get a 20 tb hard drive right now for under 300 dollars. Sorry. If you want the simpler format and are willing to pay 20 times the price (more really), that's cool. Just good to let people know the options. I love the concept and if the players get down to 1000 bucks with 20 tb of storage, then I'm in. I suppose this was a big step, but there's a long way to go.
I also agree this is still more than the typical movie lover will spend but at least we are seeing some downward pricing. For the folks who don't mind and are technically savvy, ripping is the way to go based on cheaper cost but going with the typical movie viewing, ripping is still not something they want to do from my experience of the people in a local movie group I'm in. I mentioned that I rip file and they collectively just sigh even though they admit my Zidoo setup is very convenient. They told me they would have my setup if I did it for them!
I mean there’s a ton of movies that are on 4k on iTunes and KScape that aren’t on disc. And a ton of movies that are released months earlier than disc. KScape is for someone who wants the best quality and can afford it without blinking an eye
Optical discs are going the way of the Dodo bird. Many, if not most of the 4K movies available on Kaleidescape are not available on 4K Blu-ray, meaning that Kaleidescape is the only way to watch these movies with visually-lossless video quality and lossless spatial audio. Kaleidescape's store makes new movies available the second they are released digitally. You often have to wait months or years after the digital release for a movie to be available on disc.
@@fridaynightgamefilm Care to give us examples of 'months or years' we had to wait for a disk after Kaleidescape release?
@@stepalex Furiosa, still waiting for disc, been out on Kscape. thats months
I will give credit to Shane for engaging with his community and responding to comments and critiques. Even though they are not in favor of the Kscape system and how the video came across.
How did the video come across?
I’m sorry but there must have been something wrong with my stream; did you say $4000?😂
I think they screwed up not adding the HDR10+ for us projector owners. Dolby Vision isn’t gonna sway too many people with TV’s and the “too expensive I buy disks people”
"When the chips are down these, these civilized people, they'll eat each other." (joker)
Still too risky to buy one and collect movies on this device
They are getting close but not there yet. There storage option still need to get lower to. I love my movies but work to hard to spend that much "Spare Change".
Storage upgrades need to be drastically cheaper. What they are charging should be criminal. They want a thousand extra dollars for 7 extra terabytes of storage. You can get a 20 TB hard drive for under 300 bucks today. Criminal.
I'd love to get into Kaleidescape but I really don't have that much disposable income. The Panasonic UB820 + mainstream 4K disc release is just too great a value to pass up... That being said, your comment about DIY'ing a 4K movie server has me thinking...
I might've considered it at 4TB of storage. I get that the it's the software (the movies) itself that os the "killer app", not the hardware. But let's get real, the build-of-materials in no way justifies this price. This is a blunder, imho.
It's great that Kscape is listening to the community.
listening lmao
For $4k it should be at least 3TB! Only 10 movies a joke!
Someone explain to me how you can justify a media player with less than a terabyte of storage can cost more then TWO 65 inch LG G3 OLED TVs and it’s the cheapest model they have. Even if you had the budget, how can you justify this price? I actually do not understand…
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They could've made this $1999. With products like Zidoo and Dune HD they aren't gonna sell when they're are cheaper options on the market. I get the convenience thing but $4000 as an affordable option isnt really affordable for most people lol
They could have use their movie store to make tons of money. But they chose to sell expensive hardware. Strato C was $4000. So adding a 1TB SSD for the same price isn't really a price drop. I would buy it at $1000.
So what happens when your hard drive fails or ssd fails can you get free refund from them to replace the ones that fizzled out or you have to buy them straight of them and im also curious with hard drives being canceled what happens to all the people who have one will they get compensated or will they have to dish another 20gs
I’ll be purchasing this for my dedicated room to feed my 97” G2 (finally). I had been holding out for Dolby Vision. The fact that they integrated storage is perfect. For those claiming discs are the only way to truly own the content: DRM is performed at multiple levels and a disc that plays today could be revoked through a firmware update tomorrow 😅. Anyhow (DRM is a rabbit hole), I’ll be primarily using this player for watching new releases, and not trying to rebuild my Apple or disc collection.
Wow so many people complaining. I love my KS system and I have 40tb of storage and adore how quick and simple it is to use. And the quality is great via my lg 8k signature tv. You need to actually use this to see how good the platform is in operation. Most people should just stick to discs and a player I get that too.
The prices will keep going down if they want to stay in business.
I would love one someday, But at that price, I hate to have to buy all 330+ movies I already have on digital (movies anywhere and Vudu). I'm currently buying physical 4K of all my favorites.
I've given up on the "Dream" of having a Media Server that stores all of my movies. I'm at the point were I'd be ok with a device that stores my Top 25 all time movies in the highest quality.
@@hmurchison8123 why, it's pretty easy if you have the storage space. Most if not all of the tools needed are free.
If you pair this with a Terra Server, will you get the updated Picture Wall UI that makes Kaleidescape so attractive? I find the Strato V's UI to be very cheap looking.
Well it holds a little more than ten 4k movies. Every cover would be on screen at once. Kinda defeats the purpose of the cover wall. Besides once you get around 30-40 movies the cover wall becomes annoying to use cause it's hard to find what your looking for. The list view is far more useful. Just not as cool looking.
Ub820 when I purchased was 450cad I believe and all my movies added to that price still doesn't reach the Strato V price. 6k cad is nuts unless you make good money. Edit: Hopefully they survive long enough to get cheaper
They've been around 20 years.
The movie catalog doesnt say DV tho. They gonna update their movies?
Not enough space should have capacity for at least 50 movies
Is the Strato V or Kaleidescape in general ethernet only, or does it also support WiFi?
No wifi
Does it have to be their Terra servers or can we use our DIYs? Is there like a handshaking software that prevents it from connecting with a non Kaleidescape server? Thanks!!!
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I Would buy it if you can put 20 movies and have support in Sweden
Here’s a thought … remove the 960gb SSD, clone the software to a 4tb ssd from amazon and enjoy the extra storage
If it was that easy it would have been years ago.
Happy to see that they’re moving in the right direction, cut that price into half and we might be talking..
I think this is a solid product and a good move for them, but I'd like to see around 4-5 TB or so for that price. To me, it seems like this price point for 1 TB should be around $2500. It looks like it's just an M.2 drive for storage from the pictures. The difference in price between a 1TB and 4TB drive is like $100, next to nothing. If I were them, I'd offer the 1TB for $2500 and $500/TB for extra storage. They can do that without changing any hardware other than the drive. Having said that, I might still get this when my theater renovation gets done this Fall.
@therealshanelee - They're not "uncompressed movies"... the audio compression is lossless (Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA), and the video is lightly compressed (it is visually lossless). So, the content is compressed, but the experience is aurally and visually lossless.
Would have been nice to have 4TB plus of storage. We have a Strato 6TB and that filled up very quickly. If they are under the 1TB mark I think $2.5k would have been better and then upsell on the terra servers. Still a great product though.
Saw a bunch of videos on my feed saying "they did it" and "affordable price".... This got me excited hoping they released a player under $1,000... Unfortunately $4K is still way out of my league. Will stick to 4K disc and Apple TV 4K for now.
Being honest, the two items that you have make the most sense. The Apple TV 4K just gets better and better year after year. If Apple ever introduce Dolby True HD to iTunes, then I wonder how desirable the Kscape route would be then. For Kscape does not make any sense - it's certainly not a luxury brand but what is a luxury brand compared to a professional market brand? Luxury brand means nothing in alll fairness - it's how the brand performs in all areas along with longevity that truly counts.
@@BarcelonasHotCrowd 100% agree. The moment that the big streaming devices start to introduce lossless audio, I think that will significantly erode the value prop of the Kalidescape (if there even is one)
@@BarcelonasHotCrowd also the cost of Research and Development scales much differently between a small company like Kalidescape and a huge company like Apple.
Now it’s only 10 times too expensive. You have to be stupid rich or just stupid.
can you plug in an external usb drive and use it as storage?
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Strato V is retailing for £5390 here in the UK!? “Affordable” lol. $3900 converts to around £2970. Not sure the reasoning for the extreme mark up but it can’t all be import taxes & VAT surely? Also, 10 movies only? Should be 35 - 50 at least.
Blu Ray still wins over K Scape. No limitation on how many movies, no internet required, same quality and thousands less.
Sadly this technology will never be in my budget
It's still a rip I mean I'd get it if they allowed your own ssd or hdd drive there most likely just sticker on there ssd or hdd probably samsung or any ssd manufacturers that are around so pass unless they start allowing you to use your own storage still kind of a Rip
After the movie is deleted can you redownload it later for free (meaning you own it) or do you have to buy it again?
It's yours always
@@therealshanelee “always” does not exists when purchasing a digital product.
@@BrianNors neither is buying it on disc.
@@therealshaneleeyes it is? Either pop the disc back in the player or rip the disc, what is with you covering for kscape so hard?
@@cenunix what is with you not understanding the luxury market niche isn't for you? I also cover kscape, physical media, streaming , Disc players and Media players. The hate only comes with the price of kscape. Unwarranted cause most people don't see the value in it and they make it a personal thing with not only the brand but the person talking about it. If you don't like something. Oh well. Move on.
How many UHD blu rays is it? 200? You can buy last two decades top 10 movies from each year. Not to mention kaleidoscope movies are more expensive than physical media no?
This is totally missing the point - people with money don’t care if they spend 20k or 4k - they want to have storage and not needing to redownload content, because they can’t be asked to put physical media in. Those who don’t want to waste money won’t buy it even for 2k. Sony bravia is offering similar service and it’s for free - direct stream no downloads needed just buy and watch
LOL. Imagine committing thousands of dollars to the K ecosystem, and they go under, you lose all your $50 movie purchases too.
Who's buying movies for $50?
Up to date on Hollywood movies so for the few really good titles coming out, will buy the Blu-ray and watch on my Panasonic UB9000.
Better price for sure and it makes sense if you don't have a 4k disc collection, but for those who already have a 4k player and a large collection of discs its too much of a negative. To not only drop 4k on the new player and then another 5k+ on more storage if not more and having to RE-BUY your entire collection really sucks. If they could come out with a player at 1-2k with no storage inside and you could provide your own hard drive i think more people would start to switch over but for now im sticking with discs.
Thanks Shane! I'm hoping that the HD Fury 8K VRROOM can convert LLDV to HDR10 for projectors, which should be good enough. Don;t forget some UST projectors are Dolby Vision. :)
So excited that the cost is almost in arm's reach !
also hopefully coming to the UK soon too.
Yeah this should be perfect for hd fury
@@KASmonkeysdoubt they will come to the uk
Getting really really close too my price !!!!!
christ..here we go.. shane, I like your channel..but now all these "youtube guys" saying same statement of "affordable" is laughable at this point
Maybe replace 'affordable" with "lowest price yet" optics brother ..keeep up the good work as always
Is this not their most affordable player?
@@therealshanelee I will give you credit for walking that fine line better then Ive seen audio advice and others doing
@@therealshanelee I think whole point is that "affordable" is entirely wrong word for their whole range. If you'd said "the most affordable Ferrari" it would sound equally ridiculous. It's stretching that word far beyond what is sensible.
@@mrtickleuk why would it sound ridiculous? I'm sure Ferrari has a flagship model and an entry level model that is far more affordable than the flagship. What's the confusion here.
Hey Shane I have a server with a Zidoo and I rip my discs in full quality. Have you ever had a Kaleidoscape title that you have noticed any picture or sound quality improvements over the 4K Blu-ray counterpart? Thanks!
I have issues ripping Blu Rays and 4k movies. Do you have the same problem? DVD are never a problem.
@@ericblomquist1975 I don’t have any issues with 4K or Blu-ray ripping. I’m using a Pioneer 4K drive & MakeMKV on a Mac. Works great!👍
The price is ridiculous... just get a vastly superior Dune HD Pro One 8K Plus, plug in an SSD and enjoy your ripped UHDs in all their glory.
How does that ripping p[rocess work? I've had bad luck ripping 4k disks...
Imagine if it allowed you to add your own HDD storage to eliminate that unbelievable expense. That would change things..
What’s the advantage of this vs a disc player?
You don't have to get up and change the disc. That's literally it.
simple convenience for lossy content.
Nothing other than piracy comes close to this. And that's unfortunate
@@Haydos and IMO, the government can say whatever they want. I’m going to rip my Blu-ray’s that I own for my personal consumption.
Yikes, this is so niche. $4000 buys a lot of discs. The joke is that I can easily afford this but just can’t see any real world benefits. Hope is does well for those who like it.
Just build a NAS put your 4k blu rays on it. lol
Dolby Vision hasn't excited me since the early days. Most people, including myself, can't really tell the difference. I may pick this one up for the bedroom. It should be compatible with my Strato S.
They should have added 3D support. In my opinion, that would have been more beneficial than DV. Especially for those of us with 3D compatible TV's and projectors. They need to make this happen
Can you put your 4k blu disc that you own on the system????
No. They allow for discounts sometimes based on media that you own but you have to buy the movies again.
Not much more than I paid for my Magnetar UDP900 but the lack of extra storage at an affordable price, I’ll probably wait a bit longer
This is far more reachable! I’m definitely looking to ordering mine. Really curious what the new interface looks like
Stop the presses...I'm sure there will be a long line to grab this at thirty-nine-ninety-five...I'll stick it in my dual-projector home IMAX...
It's good to see a downward trend in price while adding in DV but it will still be out of reach for most movie lovers. They will capture some customers as I think you are absolutely right for folks who may have a larger panel of 100" or more that has the ability to view Dolby Vision. That is a subset of enthusiasts who maybe willing to spend $4k along with some DV UST folks.
Does it support 3D?
It's definitely a better price but still too expensive for many.
I heard rumors of 3tb. 30 movies would have been nice. It is more than I’m willing to pay but it’s good to see a less expensive option
Think of the Strato V as a local cache for movies you want to watch soon. You can purchase and own as many movies as you would like from the Kaleidescape store. Movies generally take less than 10 min to download on a gigabit connection.
Thanks Shane
Still a little too rich for my blood. Glad to see it’s a more reasonable price though. Thanks for sharing Shane.
Maybe if it had a bigger hd for more movies. 40 instead of 10, I would considerate.
''It has Dolby Vision''. Well is it FEL compatible ?
This is what I'm wondering. Fel? Cmv4.0? Proper tvled playback? What profile are they using?
@@Haydos The discs aren't CM v4. Studios are hardly going to do a special CM v4 grading especially for Kaleidoscope customers.
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I have been waiting for a lower cost option...was hopeing for around $2k...but this is step in right direction. I am one that understands that the insane prices of Kscape has very little to do with hardware...it has to do with licensing Kscape has to oay the studios. Customers are essentially paying a high VAT for access to essentially buy movies from studios as best format/quality. It is definitly for a niche customer base even at $4k.
I really wish they could do some kind of partnership with Netflix, AppleTV, Disney+, etc. Without this, every year they are loosing the appeal for me; I want an all-in-one player for movies at their highest quality video and sound.
Good morning y'all
This is absolutely huge! I am buying this! It is affordable, exactly what I need for a small library, and DOLBY VISION. All of which I was holding out for.
The effort from K-scape is appreciated. That music had me thinking Kendrick Lamar was gonna pop out with a new diss >_
😂🤣
$4000?? Are you nuts. You know how many movies on disc that would buy. NFW.
No HDR10 + for $4000. Not worth it!
Thanks Shane, still too expensive for me though. I will build my own at much less.
Still too expensive. I guess I'm sticking with. 4k HD club and real debrid download.😊
Only $3000 to go until I can consider it 😂
Still not worth it. Cheaper and FAR more economical to buy 4k Discs and rip them to your own hard drives. You can get a 20TB for $300. A burner for $200. And also you do NOT OWN the movies on Kaleidescape. Read the fine print. You license to view them and keep them in your library, you do NOT own the movie.
it's better to save that money for a bigger size
The original price of the player was not bad, it's the prices of the HDD that are insane and hard for them to justify the cost they are selling them at.
$4K for 10 movies. They need a competitor to drop those prices more. I would pay it if I was able to use my own built nas. Still to steep
Good job kscape. Im sure the haters are still going to complain, which I can already see in the comments, lol.. but thetas what they are supposed to do. Please just make changes to the UI to show us all our content in our accounts!
I only see love in the comments 😁
@@therealshanelee It must be those glasses, lol
Haters, or people calling a spade a spade?
@@therealshanelee I love the product. Just not at the price and configuration price. I wish there was a competitor. Prices would have to drop wildly. Their hard drive prices remind me of early apple computers specs vs windows specs. Only in this case there is no real competitor. The alternative is infinitely cheaper but not the same and not as simple for the non tech savvy. It probably won't be reasonably priced until there is a competitor. I do love that, since streaming is trash by comparison to even standard blu ray, there is at least some product that aims to deliver high quality content as physical media continues to be threatened as a medium. We need a competitor though to make prices reasonable. Even still, I love the ability to just put a movie on a thumb drive, bring it to my fried or family's place, and watch it there. Pointing out the downsides vs... doesn't make us haters. It makes us reasonable.
I think Z9X Pro still champion for me
How much is a movie to download?
www.kaleidescape.com/movie-store/
Option for the super-rich maybe. For what you are getting it's insane!!! Very very hard Pass. Disappointing.
This is a start for sure. 4k is more reachable than the rest of their products. Storage though is still up there.
Horribly overpriced. But obviously the people this is built for really don’t care about what it costs.
Perhaps streaming Lossless audio with a visual display is around the corner 🤔
How much are the movies ?
www.kaleidescape.com/movie-store/
It kind of looks like, except for the newest releases, the kaleidescape movies aren't even available in Dolby Vision. Just HDR 10. Am I incorrect about that? If not, anything but newest releases would be limited to HDR 10 even though this new device has Dolby vision. It would be nice if they would upgrade the previous catalog.
Well it just got released today so nobody has it. I'm sure they'll update as soon as they start shipping.
Listen the main cost you pay for is their great licensing agreements. I think this now makes it so much more affordable. It’s 6k in Canada. Prior to that my only option was 14k Canadian. I paid 5 K for my Anthem MRX 1140, so this is worth it to me.