You just handed over a life time of knowledge I hope all the young operators see this You are definitely concerned , but very well thought Only a few minutes in and hoping for the best Back to the video
Sir I’ve worked with mobile cranes and tower cranes for 35 years and have only meet one other operator that has your knowledge of cranes excellent job! Plus I just found your channel and subscribed looking forward to more of your videos.
As a 150 guy here in Chicago this is one of the most informative video I've seen. Yes ideal for newbies in the field. Most definitely tip weight and yes going to fast and case boom shock shaking even with out a load but being the boom is raised higher can cause flip over as well thank youfir thus video submit this video to all the training facilities excellent video😊👍👍🇺🇸 Only in AMERICA
Thanks for a great video about something I'll never need to know but was seriously interesting to find out. YT is wonderful for seeing others lives and skills.
The Boom angle and load capacity were really key to knowing how to handle this situation, that and going REAL SLOW like you showed lol 😂. Excellent tutorial 👍
I’m no crane operator I’m 360 & 180* and dump truck operator unfortunately I’ve had to give it up due to health but your definitely a pro , I was always the youngest muck shifter on jobs and it was operaters like yourself that I used to listen too and learn from, that was done great
Well Done! You made that look easy. A lot easier than I did when I use to have to go up and down hills in a American 7260 Friction machine. Friction machines are whole different animal in regards to your travel dogs. The rest of it, your boom angle, counter weight, Chain drive tumblers is still Like you describe. This needs to be Showen at the training centers for the apprentices and veteran operators alike. New Sub here TGP
Hi Cameron, I too have worked with many different cranes in my past, as a steel erector, rigger ,and what we call here in Australia a dogman who directs the loads, My dad also worked in the same industry for many years. Awesome work my brother 💪. Great video. 👍
Good on Liebherr. Sany only says 2deg however, in the loading instructions it says you can do 16deg with no boom when crawling on and off a trailer. The importance of reading the manuals.
I had to walk a 218 Link Belt up a much steeper hill then that. Had 160 main and 60 foot jib at 15 degree offset. I had counterweight uphill. As I started up the grade I kept my boom angle at about 72 degrees. I boomed it up till the stops kicked out. Wasn’t a fun think to do but I made it with no mishaps. That was the steepest grade I had to go up. I was an operator for 38 years, retired now. My first seat was a Bay City with a D315 Cat with a pony motor. Good informative video.
i just found this channel. i love the big crane's i build custom remote control adults toys Earth machine's in 1/14th scale . all detailed and looking like a real machine. just love watching the actual thing gives me so many ideas. love your work friend.
Thank you my collection/ Builder friend I took a collection of scale models 😊 my Living room built a shelf around close to the roof. I wish I could send you pictures if you want to see my huge collection 😊 I have an old ( P&H) clam bucket in my collection. I have the 2 engines and SQUAD #51 plus Ambulance from the 1970s TV show Emergency 😊
Now try that with clutches and brakes! lol… My dad was a crane operator from the late 50s to around 2005… I saw some stuff that’d pucker your B side. He did jettys and revetments up and down the New England coast with most of his work done on the Cape and Islands. Small cranes, big cranes, truck cranes, crawler cranes… hydraulic or old school brakes and clutches, telescopic or lattice… he was a legend. ❤
Very interesting video I'm a dirt operator on a project a MCL650 just flipped over on. I've always been interested in crane operations, but I've never had any idea how the track site to site navigating slopes
Listening to you knowledges the fact that you know exactly what your doing. The reason the factory suggests one to not do what your doing is that most operators don’t have the experience you do!!!
I operated scrapyard cranes back when we used a hand crank to start it. Finally moved up to electric start. Only one guage and that was oil pressure. My crane sat on a pad on an incline above the trailer. I’m the winter, the crane would start sliding towards the trailer. I’d have to take it out of swing and put it in travel to get back on the pad. I never was able to operate a crane such as this. I wonder, would you be able to operate the junk I had to? No heat, no ac, no fan, no door(blanket sometimes) plexiglass front window, that you had to take out in the early morning, because the glass was yellowed, no gauges, hand tools to fix what broke. Back when Stanley Thermos was made in the USA. (Actually am jealous that I never got a chance to operate a crane like this)
I never ran old cranes but I did run a lot of old dozers. Manual transmissions, clutch and brake steering, pony motors for starting, open station,( I still have the old sleeping bag I used in the winter ) and I've always done all my own mechanic work even on this machine. Everything from rebuilding track frames, engines, pumps, gear boxes, hydraulic cylinders, even boom extension cylinders on hydraulic cranes.
Nicely explained, not that I work much with crawlers these days. It's all useful info though, never know if I have to work with a young driver and need to talk it through. Sort of thing that isn't in the book and if it goes wrong, you're on your own.
One question I have is ( SANY) a affordable crane. My time goes back to ( UNIT& Hein Warner) Excavator from the 1970s. The owners use to tell me or call them poor mans machine. Because they were affordable to a smaller contractor. My time working alongside was small mainline sewer jobs. I always was amazed at operators using there feet for Dipper & tool functions. That tells you my age, and when I started doing sewer work I mostly ran a CASE 580-C digging side sewer stubs. 😊
I've never looked into the prices but I'm sure Sany would be cheaper than most brands. As a kid back in the late 70s, I started working for my step dad doing residential sewer and water services. He owned his own business until he died and my step brother now owns it. We're ran International 3500s switched to Fords and now he runs Cat.
Do you lock the swing gear with that much counterweight uphill?..it looked like there was an icon at the top of the monitor that said the swing was locked…
Yes the swing is locked. It has a hydraulic ram that drops the lock any time the brake is on but it only engages in the straight forward or backward positions.
I'd like to compliment you for filming, narrating and demonstrating this whole procedure in one unbroken take. It's way harder than people would ever imagine, you did very well here. Question though regarding machine orientation. You stated that CW uphill and boom downhill is the correct way to go, is there ever a situation where you could do this or need to do this maneuver with the CW downhill and boom uphill or is is just a no brainer no-no in the crawler world?
I can't think of a situation where you would want the counter weights down hill but the idea is to keep your center of stability over your tracks so possibly if you had a very long boom.
Absolutely great video! I’m curious if you use that clamshell bucket on this crane. I don’t tend to think of clamshell or dragline buckets being used on a crane like yours. Can also say that although I’m seeing a lot of Sany equipment these days, I didn’t know they made cranes. Thanks again for posting this!
Yeah sany actually makes a full line of cranes, hydraulics, truck mounts, etc. They even make one of the largest lattice booms in the world, it has a capacity of 8,000 metric tons. I do use the clamshell on this crane but it's not ideal.
That jump off showing the track slip 😊snd talking about Damage that can happen to Final Drive😊 "O" so important Show and especially telling from side of Crane. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
absolutely correct the manufactures will not tell you this info nor traveling having to swing with jib out on an rt machine it takes seat time to know this info. i've never though to do videos like this showing the younger guys things they already know 😂 well explained
Typically on any crane you have so much counter weight on the back that you can flip over backwards. Some cranes can even flip over backwards on level ground, depending on configuration.
The danger would be tipping over backwards because there is far more counter weight than there is boom weight. Every manual that I've seen with instructions for slopes says counter weight should be uphill. When you take your license test the answer also is counter weights up hill. When you have your weights up hill it allows you to monitor your capacity because as you increase your slope your capacity decreases. This allows you to raise your boom to keep an acceptable capacity. I know a lot of excavator operators like to go up hill with the boom extended but if you do tip backwards you can't stop yourself so even on an excavator you should go with your weight up hill.
@@cameronturner7475 bigger counterweight makes sense. First I read and understood that you meant "tipping over backwards" would mean to uphill side, but then understood that you mean tipping over backwards to downhill side where the counterweight would be. So even with whole boom wide angle adjustment, it would not be enough to fight against the big counterweight at downhill side. That makes sense. I have an excavator and sometimes there is a need to climb over a pile or go across steep slopes. Understanding these cases and the most safe way to operate the machine is a big deal. Even your note about which side the sproket should be. Also, volvo says that it wears 30% more if you drive sproket at front side on flat surface. These are not obvious small details. Thank you for replaying.
Why don't cranes have grousers of some kind? Seems like that would be so important. I can't imagine it would affect stability much and would make it sooo much easier to maneuver.
Both. There is a fence across the road that's only about 100 feet away. It doesn't show up real well in the video but you can see the posts. The boom can go a bit below level but if you go too far you can't pick it back up. The geometry makes it harder to lift the lower you go and with a long boom you can get to where you can't pick it up. Plus you can over extend the back stops and they will come apart and you could run out of rope on the boom winch. There are several reasons why that could go bad.
So the boom will go up to 75 deg. Another 10 deg but then you are against the limit switches and you get an alarm, which is kind of annoying. Also if you are say 73deg and start to bounce a little you could bounce against your limits. I just try to keep it high enough to keep the capacity up above 5k once it breaks over.
Without a doubt you know what you’re doing but I am almost 100% sure I’ve read a manual for slopes that steep. I think it was a terex/American H/C 110. I know one thing if a manufacturer doesn’t recommend anything over 2 percent I’m not taking it down there and the company better rent a lift for maintenance.
I don’t know about cranes. But I do happen to know that manufactures of excavators tell you to always keep your final drives uphill. It is very hard on them to work on or travers slopes with the finals downhill. For one, they are a lot heavier than the idlers and when you’re on a slope like that all of your weight is on the downhill edge of the tracks. Those final drives are not built to carry the weight of the machine.
This is a direct quote from the manual for a cat 320e page 35 para 2. When possible operate the machine up slopes and down slopes with the final drive sprockets facing down the slope.
@@cameronturner7475 Yep! I like to keep and slack, up on top where all it needs to do is carry the unused portion of track back to the front where it is put back into use and becomes stretched out tight (in a straight line) on its way back to the drive sprocket. In a crawler crane, I always walk forward up a slope and walk it backwards down a slope. Dipping gravel, I always keep the traction motors or drive sprockets toward the water hole and idler tumblers behind me. Just my preference, I don’t care about the drives weighing more. If you’re worried about that then get a bigger machine.
We have a small mining operation and we use Cat 320,330,336,340,349,375,390 and 394 excavators and Komatsu 200 and 650 excavators and all the manuals say the same thing, keep your finals down slope.
@@cameronturner7475 Yep! After utilizing this procedure for many years, I can’t imagine the ride one could get if he were to put the idlers out front, walking down a slope, and were to blow a hydraulic grease track tensioner seal? Those usually don’t give warning when they blow out.
The scale on the temp gauge is a bit odd. Full scale H is 100 c which is 212 f. So even when it's maxed out it's still not overheating. It usually runs about 80 c which is 175 f and about 7/8 scale. So it just sits there almost maxed out all day even though it's fine.
You just handed over a life time of knowledge
I hope all the young operators see this
You are definitely concerned , but very well thought
Only a few minutes in and hoping for the best
Back to the video
Sir I’ve worked with mobile cranes and tower cranes for 35 years and have only meet one other operator that has your knowledge of cranes excellent job! Plus I just found your channel and subscribed looking forward to more of your videos.
As a 150 guy here in Chicago this is one of the most informative video I've seen. Yes ideal for newbies in the field. Most definitely tip weight and yes going to fast and case boom shock shaking even with out a load but being the boom is raised higher can cause flip over as well thank youfir thus video submit this video to all the training facilities excellent video😊👍👍🇺🇸 Only in AMERICA
Congratulations sir. Incredible confidence in your machine. I would of sent a hydraulic boom crawler out, but you proved it can be done. 👍
Thanks for a great video about something I'll never need to know but was seriously interesting to find out. YT is wonderful for seeing others lives and skills.
The Boom angle and load capacity were really key to knowing how to handle this situation, that and going REAL SLOW like you showed lol 😂. Excellent tutorial 👍
I’m no crane operator I’m 360 & 180* and dump truck operator unfortunately I’ve had to give it up due to health but your definitely a pro , I was always the youngest muck shifter on jobs and it was operaters like yourself that I used to listen too and learn from, that was done great
Well Done! You made that look easy. A lot easier than I did when I use to have to go up and down hills in a American 7260 Friction machine.
Friction machines are whole different animal in regards to your travel dogs.
The rest of it, your boom angle, counter weight, Chain drive tumblers is still
Like you describe.
This needs to be Showen at the training centers for the apprentices and veteran operators alike.
New Sub here
TGP
No it doesn't. They got the wrong machine on the job site. There engineers need to be fired.
Awesome job! Bigger set of boys than I'll ever have..
Hi Cameron, I too have worked with many different cranes in my past, as a steel erector, rigger ,and what we call here in Australia a dogman who directs the loads, My dad also worked in the same industry for many years. Awesome work my brother 💪. Great video. 👍
Well done, great explanation.
Although the exception to the rule being Liebherr for providing clear information on traversing hills.
Good on Liebherr. Sany only says 2deg however, in the loading instructions it says you can do 16deg with no boom when crawling on and off a trailer. The importance of reading the manuals.
I had to walk a 218 Link Belt up a much steeper hill then that. Had 160 main and 60 foot jib at 15 degree offset. I had counterweight uphill. As I started up the grade I kept my boom angle at about 72 degrees. I boomed it up till the stops kicked out. Wasn’t a fun think to do but I made it with no mishaps. That was the steepest grade I had to go up. I was an operator for 38 years, retired now. My first seat was a Bay City with a D315 Cat with a pony motor.
Good informative video.
i just found this channel. i love the big crane's i build custom remote control adults toys Earth machine's in 1/14th scale . all detailed and looking like a real machine. just love watching the actual thing gives me so many ideas. love your work friend.
Thank you my collection/ Builder friend
I took a collection of scale models 😊 my Living room built a shelf around close to the roof. I wish I could send you pictures if you want to see my huge collection 😊
I have an old ( P&H) clam bucket in my collection. I have the 2 engines and SQUAD #51 plus Ambulance from the 1970s TV show Emergency 😊
Now try that with clutches and brakes! lol… My dad was a crane operator from the late 50s to around 2005… I saw some stuff that’d pucker your B side. He did jettys and revetments up and down the New England coast with most of his work done on the Cape and Islands. Small cranes, big cranes, truck cranes, crawler cranes… hydraulic or old school brakes and clutches, telescopic or lattice… he was a legend. ❤
Very interesting video I'm a dirt operator on a project a MCL650 just flipped over on. I've always been interested in crane operations, but I've never had any idea how the track site to site navigating slopes
Listening to you knowledges the fact that you know exactly what your doing. The reason the factory suggests one to not do what your doing is that most operators don’t have the experience you do!!!
This is certainly part of the reason telecrawlers are so popular i would bet
I operated scrapyard cranes back when we used a hand crank to start it. Finally moved up to electric start. Only one guage and that was oil pressure. My crane sat on a pad on an incline above the trailer. I’m the winter, the crane would start sliding towards the trailer. I’d have to take it out of swing and put it in travel to get back on the pad. I never was able to operate a crane such as this. I wonder, would you be able to operate the junk I had to? No heat, no ac, no fan, no door(blanket sometimes) plexiglass front window, that you had to take out in the early morning, because the glass was yellowed, no gauges, hand tools to fix what broke. Back when Stanley Thermos was made in the USA. (Actually am jealous that I never got a chance to operate a crane like this)
I never ran old cranes but I did run a lot of old dozers. Manual transmissions, clutch and brake steering, pony motors for starting, open station,( I still have the old sleeping bag I used in the winter ) and I've always done all my own mechanic work even on this machine. Everything from rebuilding track frames, engines, pumps, gear boxes, hydraulic cylinders, even boom extension cylinders on hydraulic cranes.
Thanks for the pointers always learning something new !! good deal stay safe my friend
good job bud,new subsriber here,greetings from North Carolina
Good video man nice work
Nicely explained, not that I work much with crawlers these days.
It's all useful info though, never know if I have to work with a young driver and need to talk it through.
Sort of thing that isn't in the book and if it goes wrong, you're on your own.
Thanks for the information sir
One question I have is ( SANY) a affordable crane. My time goes back to
( UNIT& Hein Warner) Excavator from the 1970s. The owners use to tell me or call them poor mans machine. Because they were affordable to a smaller contractor.
My time working alongside was small mainline sewer jobs. I always was amazed at operators using there feet for Dipper & tool functions. That tells you my age, and when I started doing sewer work
I mostly ran a CASE 580-C digging side sewer stubs. 😊
I've never looked into the prices but I'm sure Sany would be cheaper than most brands. As a kid back in the late 70s, I started working for my step dad doing residential sewer and water services. He owned his own business until he died and my step brother now owns it. We're ran International 3500s switched to Fords and now he runs Cat.
My pucker factor was at 100%! Thanks for leaving the door open so I could bail if shit got too real! LOL!
Do you lock the swing gear with that much counterweight uphill?..it looked like there was an icon at the top of the monitor that said the swing was locked…
Yes the swing is locked. It has a hydraulic ram that drops the lock any time the brake is on but it only engages in the straight forward or backward positions.
I'd like to compliment you for filming, narrating and demonstrating this whole procedure in one unbroken take. It's way harder than people would ever imagine, you did very well here.
Question though regarding machine orientation. You stated that CW uphill and boom downhill is the correct way to go, is there ever a situation where you could do this or need to do this maneuver with the CW downhill and boom uphill or is is just a no brainer no-no in the crawler world?
I can't think of a situation where you would want the counter weights down hill but the idea is to keep your center of stability over your tracks so possibly if you had a very long boom.
Good enough, thanks.
Absolutely great video! I’m curious if you use that clamshell bucket on this crane. I don’t tend to think of clamshell or dragline buckets being used on a crane like yours. Can also say that although I’m seeing a lot of Sany equipment these days, I didn’t know they made cranes. Thanks again for posting this!
Yeah sany actually makes a full line of cranes, hydraulics, truck mounts, etc. They even make one of the largest lattice booms in the world, it has a capacity of 8,000 metric tons.
I do use the clamshell on this crane but it's not ideal.
So do you lay that huge sack on the counter weights for insurance?
The first time I did it was a real seat pincher that's for sure.
Is VK6ZO a call sign?
That jump off showing the track slip 😊snd talking about Damage that can happen to Final Drive😊 "O" so important
Show and especially telling from side of Crane. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Amazing video. So is the under carriage the same as an excavator like interchangeable parts? Or is this unique from the bottom up? Thank you!
absolutely correct the manufactures will not tell you this info nor traveling having to swing with jib out on an rt machine it takes seat time to know this info. i've never though to do videos like this showing the younger guys things they already know 😂 well explained
Working on barges fun .
Boom up up
I ran Link belt 238 pure friction no hylabs
Is reversing a problem. With your boom facing uphill.
Typically on any crane you have so much counter weight on the back that you can flip over backwards. Some cranes can even flip over backwards on level ground, depending on configuration.
Turn the house around and back down?
What if you would have had boom at uphill side and you would have lowered it a lot, then you would not have tipped over? Would that be safe?
The danger would be tipping over backwards because there is far more counter weight than there is boom weight. Every manual that I've seen with instructions for slopes says counter weight should be uphill. When you take your license test the answer also is counter weights up hill. When you have your weights up hill it allows you to monitor your capacity because as you increase your slope your capacity decreases. This allows you to raise your boom to keep an acceptable capacity.
I know a lot of excavator operators like to go up hill with the boom extended but if you do tip backwards you can't stop yourself so even on an excavator you should go with your weight up hill.
@@cameronturner7475 bigger counterweight makes sense. First I read and understood that you meant "tipping over backwards" would mean to uphill side, but then understood that you mean tipping over backwards to downhill side where the counterweight would be. So even with whole boom wide angle adjustment, it would not be enough to fight against the big counterweight at downhill side. That makes sense. I have an excavator and sometimes there is a need to climb over a pile or go across steep slopes. Understanding these cases and the most safe way to operate the machine is a big deal. Even your note about which side the sproket should be. Also, volvo says that it wears 30% more if you drive sproket at front side on flat surface. These are not obvious small details. Thank you for replaying.
Why don't cranes have grousers of some kind? Seems like that would be so important. I can't imagine it would affect stability much and would make it sooo much easier to maneuver.
Does the boom not drop below level with the ground? You can't just lay it down in front of you?
Both. There is a fence across the road that's only about 100 feet away. It doesn't show up real well in the video but you can see the posts. The boom can go a bit below level but if you go too far you can't pick it back up. The geometry makes it harder to lift the lower you go and with a long boom you can get to where you can't pick it up. Plus you can over extend the back stops and they will come apart and you could run out of rope on the boom winch. There are several reasons why that could go bad.
@@cameronturner7475 Ahh ok, genuinely didn't know. Thank you.
So you could not have raised the boom any further?
So the boom will go up to 75 deg. Another 10 deg but then you are against the limit switches and you get an alarm, which is kind of annoying. Also if you are say 73deg and start to bounce a little you could bounce against your limits. I just try to keep it high enough to keep the capacity up above 5k once it breaks over.
I suspect you cannot drive this on the road in your country because it's right hand drive?
Without a doubt you know what you’re doing but I am almost 100% sure I’ve read a manual for slopes that steep. I think it was a terex/American H/C 110. I know one thing if a manufacturer doesn’t recommend anything over 2 percent I’m not taking it down there and the company better rent a lift for maintenance.
If you go to fast you will put a counter load in your shorts
Gravity hates crains
I don’t know about cranes. But I do happen to know that manufactures of excavators tell you to always keep your final drives uphill. It is very hard on them to work on or travers slopes with the finals downhill. For one, they are a lot heavier than the idlers and when you’re on a slope like that all of your weight is on the downhill edge of the tracks. Those final drives are not built to carry the weight of the machine.
This is a direct quote from the manual for a cat 320e page 35 para 2.
When possible operate the machine up slopes and down slopes with the final drive sprockets facing down the slope.
Read the manual.
A lot of times what you've been told and accept as true is in fact the exact opposite.
@@cameronturner7475
Yep! I like to keep and slack, up on top where all it needs to do is carry the unused portion of track back to the front where it is put back into use and becomes stretched out tight (in a straight line) on its way back to the drive sprocket. In a crawler crane, I always walk forward up a slope and walk it backwards down a slope. Dipping gravel, I always keep the traction motors or drive sprockets toward the water hole and idler tumblers behind me. Just my preference, I don’t care about the drives weighing more. If you’re worried about that then get a bigger machine.
We have a small mining operation and we use Cat 320,330,336,340,349,375,390 and 394 excavators and Komatsu 200 and 650 excavators and all the manuals say the same thing, keep your finals down slope.
@@cameronturner7475
Yep! After utilizing this procedure for many years, I can’t imagine the ride one could get if he were to put the idlers out front, walking down a slope, and were to blow a hydraulic grease track tensioner seal? Those usually don’t give warning when they blow out.
Tying the boom back Critical things to know when you don’t know anything
Your company needs to fire there engineers
If you only knew how true that is.
Must be nice to have load momant indacters
I would’ve back down
Damn, do you even need to wear cloths with all that fur? Lol, jk. Very interesting video.
Physics 101
It's about to overheat
The scale on the temp gauge is a bit odd. Full scale H is 100 c which is 212 f. So even when it's maxed out it's still not overheating. It usually runs about 80 c which is 175 f and about 7/8 scale. So it just sits there almost maxed out all day even though it's fine.
Yikes
Go backwards
Tip weight
Why don’t you back down the damn slope I mean a little common sense goes a ways !