We Built a MILITARY 4 Cylinder Go Kart (for Cheap!)
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2023
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This is a flat four cylinder 525cc engine designed and produced for the US military. They were used for generators, water pumps, blowers, and more. We got this one from a friend, then Ike went out and bought two more from the military surplus store! They sound like miniature Volkswagen Beetle engines. The packaging is very small on these engines, and they only weight 75 lbs. With a little more tuning, they could make the perfect oddball go kart or mini bike engine!
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Why does this say it was commented 3 hours ago when the video has only been out for 50 minutes
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Be cool if you did a travel series here on the east coast fixing people's projects
Be cool if you did a travel series here on the east coast fixing people's projects
When the engine back flipped it fouled the plugs with oil.
I'm also thinking it might work great on the King Midget with dual exhaust!!👍
Yes! In the King Midget, please!!! That would be an amazing vintage powerplant for an oddball vintage ride. Air cooled, more torque, a neat sound. I think that would be phenomenal! And super usable.
Exactly. Something actually built to be road worthy and street legal in a king midget type single seater car with signals, lights etc that could be road worthy enough to buy liability insurance.
@@Greg-io1ip honestly depending on their laws, it's totally doable! We have guys with street legal sandrails and such here, and we don't even have sand... lol my particular state requires only a few things and you can get something titled as a homemade vehicle lol
Yeah thats better than my idea. But i still like mine lol
dilly dilly and add independent rear suspension and fix the front suspension too
I think it has a lot of potential! What do you think?
yeah i'd say it does. but it's a little sketchy. Edit a lot sketchy
The maggot cart
The military uses its own fuel, commonly referred to as "Mogas" it's kind of mix between regular gasoline and diesel.
Since it's a military engine, I think a little mini jeep build would be cool for this thing.
It'll be fine.
You guys abitlity to overcome one issue after another is great to watch. I've been watching C&C since before John got out of college, and everything was happening at Johns parents garage, After all these years it never gets old. Keep up the great work and content guys.
Man I think that this has ALOT of potential. So cool, maybe in the King Midget
When dealing with milsurp, always bring 2 batteries, 2 sets of jumper cables, a 24v battery link, brake parts cleaner, and duct tape. With that, you can just about get anything in the military running. From generators to APC's.
You forgot the hammer but I guess you could whack stuff with one of the batteries
@@SullySadface Good point. Always need a hammer close by.
Absolutely. Everything military surplus is 24volt.
You can't maintain tank tracks with those things though.
Ever since I worked on those engines when I was in the army as a generator mechanic I've always wanted to do that
Now ya don't have to wonder what it would be like. Thanks for your service my man.
LIEUTENANT DAN,🇺🇸
My dad also worked on these for the Government he would rebuild them. I'm afraid if I asked hi about it he would not remember.
What was your MOS? I was 63B Light Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic. We worked on anything without tracks on it, including the generators but everything was diesel.
@@mumblez22 Don Shipley has entered the chat 👀
I used to work on those engines. They were part of a 24 VDC genorator flat pack used to jump-start equipment.
Were these on old tractors as well to help crank them?
You guys definitely need to devote more time to getting this up and running, don't just let it sit and collect dust like countless other projects. Those engines are a work horse once you get them tuned!
won what?
That's the general motors starter you can actually turn that post 180 degrees and have a clean surface. You can also pull the spring and clip on the contact disc in the center flip it over with the clip in the spring back on you got a completely rebuilt solenoid.
Indeed! The part they broke is just a brass carriage bolt, and like you said all the contact surfaces give you two chances.
OMFG!!!! IM FREAKING SPEACHLESS!!! ive always loved anything old,military,surplus. mainly because any item found from those categories is almost guarranteed to be, old and\or quirky. but my fav's are PONY motors. but they tend to be small 2 strokers or diesels. which are usally too big and heavy. but now!!! yall are freaking awesome
I love all the different pony motors especially the weird ones, I think they made a small CI V4 gas for large diesel engines. Fascinating to have to start an engine, to start your engine. Using coolant from pony motor to pre-heat the larger engine was a genius move if you ask me.
I love all old engines, small, large, especially the weird, and the small diesel stuff.
My dream is to have one of the small Detroit's like a 2-53 I think? They're really rare, I may have to compromise for something like a 3-4 cylinder 53 or 71. But I like them all.
6hp Stock horsepower according to the manual that came with my 4a032 military engine. Mine was brand spanking new in the crate. In reality they are 12-14hp stock. With a modded or different carburetor you can get 16-20hp out of them fairly easy.
In my experience a lot of these old engines where low power which added to reliability. This motor even at 15hp would never break because of it. Like the old Wisconsin twin cylinders. They have to last in all sorts of conditions. Often rough and crappy conditions
The 6hp will be its rated Hp at a specific, low, RPM. As this is a genset engine it would be rated at likely 3200rpm.
The chemistry between IKe and Chuck is incredible. They play off each other like Bruce Willis and Cybill Sheppard. Like whitney and Bobby. Like julia roberts and Clooney. We all wanna see more collaboration between those two!! Yeah!!!
Bonnie and clyde!?
Like Laurel and Hardy. Abbot and Costello. George and Gracie! 🤣
@@TetraHydroCannabinolTHCMac and cheese!
@@JeffKopis Dirty and Hairy
Like Nuts and Sack!
These are the types of episodes I like to watch. You two are fun to watch together because yall don't act so serious. Just having fun and not over thinking it.
That gear that shoots out of the starter to engage the flywheel is called the BENDIX
It's one of those things where the name doesn't really match the object 😂😂😂 Bendix reminds me of Spandex. Maybe bendy Spandex. I prefer to call it a "gearflick 3000"
Its actually called the “drive gear” it was commonly called “ bendix” because that was the company that was popular back in the day that made them. I have 3 Bendix starter drives new in boxs from when my grandpa ran the shop i work out of now back in the 80s
Mine is busted on my gy6 scooter
@@SullySadface cheap enough part to fix lad.
It is named after the inventor of the device, Vincent Hugo Bendix.
Quick question guys- why don't you put that engine on the Midget car? It seems perfect for the job. And it would be amazing to soup it up on that thing!!
We're really happy with the 670 on the midget, plus we didn't have to modify the chassis/body at all.
@@CarsandCamerasbut we waaaaaant it! 😂😂
Kidding, y'all do you, we will keep watching! I fully support the idea but understand there's limitations we aren't always aware of.
I have to agree this would be way cooler for the midget
I also think this engine is the one for the midget!!!!!
Yeah, even has the right SOUND for a street car too!
Those flat 4's were made by Continental Motors for the military. They also made a single and an inline twin version for smaller gensets, air pumps, etc. I have a twin cylinder version sitting out in my shop that I had modified for an off-road trike.The motors are very well built, but the magnetos on just about all of them were trash. Mine was points ignition, so I eventually converted it to battery ignition with a coil off of a blown Honda 550. The Honda coils are perfect because of the 'wasted spark ignition', as the Continental twin fires every 360 degrees. The intake runners are relatively tiny so they don't make much horsepower unless you make custom runners with individual carbs. They're also very low compression ratio (like 7.5 or 8:1), so good torque, but not much horsepower. The most you'd probably get out of that flat 4 is maybe 15 hp. or so on a single carb.😉
That particular motor was used on a 4 personal carrier . The motor is called a apu. I worked on them when I was in the army as a generator mechanic.
I'm guessing that "APU" stands for Auxiliary Power Unit, in this case.
Love when the 2 mad scientist Charles and Isaac combine thier talents and create a great ride!! Love it Just Charles and Isaac they work so good together!!
*their*
What an amazing engine. Should be awesome once the carburettor and or ignition issues are fixed. Great entertainment as always. John, the boys done good while you were away.
this needs to be a buggy, crosskart, drag rail, or something really cool. this engine deserves more than a dinky yard kart
I worked on those engines for many years as a generator mechanic biggest problem was his electronic condition when they went to that before that they had points I switched a bunch of them back to the points cuz it worked better
I think I have a few parts laying around for these. They made a single and a twin cylinder variant as well. I've had multiple of the twin cylinders and one single. They wake up nicely with a bigger carb if its tuned right. One thing to note, try to avoid over-revving these. They are near bulletproof until you start pushing the revs, which is their one weakness.
Do the rods break or valves float?
The V4 on a mini bike would be the equivalent of the Hogzilla V8 in a big bike frame! Awesome
A mini bike on Monday and a go cart on Wednesday! Feels like the good ol days!
That is a 4A032 General Purpose engine, they were used for generators, water pumps, air compressors, and other places where an engine of that size was needed. A larger size titled 4A084 was also ordered by the military. It was rated for a conservative 6 HP. I have one still in the crate, new never had oil in it. A starter was optional. A BMW 318i starter will fit with some slight modifications. Really good engines with decent torque for their size, but limited on the amount of RPM as they do not have oil channels for the crankshaft.
Great video guys. I love the dynamic you two have. That engine will be a beast when it's overhauled. Would be awesome to see another custom one off frame build for it. Maybe even a micro version of an old Willy's jeep.
Great video!! Ike and Charles make a great duo and had a blast!
Definitely want to see this thing RIP!!! Don't abandon this particular project, please! Bigger tires, a thicker axle, and proper carb tuning
More Go kart content with Ike and Charles 🤘. (Less mini bikes)
You guys driving with that throttle linkage by hand, brought me right back to a friend who came screaming around the corner in a perfect drift one day on an old go cart driven by an early 1970s 340cc snowmobile engine that looked like a giant Briggs engine but was a high winding smoky 2 stroke. I laughed and laughed when I realized he had his hand behind him running a vice grip throttle setup straight off the butterfly
My dude rides around 40 mph with his hand underneath his leg pulling it with his fingers🤣on a mini bike
Since it works something like a VW....first thing that popped in my mind is building a "half scale rail" a scaled down one seater VW style dune buggy. Of course that engine will need some love.....and maybe some extra horsepower just to make it more fun. Of course, it'll be in the same class as the yardart. I am also a big fan of the dragster. I'd like to see some more of that. I got my hot sauce stickers. Thanks.
It's good to see Taylor again it's been awhile since he put a go kart in the azalea bushes.
That army engine is super cool. You guys rock!
I think Charles solves mysteries with a dog in his spare time
Yeah
Those engines were built by Teledyne, 32 ci, rated 15-20 hp but the military also had 4 cyl air cooled engines that were Willy's, but they also had engines built by other mfg'rs too. The military had another deal called a "Mule" , they had the 4 cyl Willy's engine, when I was in the KyArNG we had some that we kept at the Ft. Knox motorpool, our motor pool but those Mules were badass.
I was a mechanic/motor sergeant in the 80’s. Had a lot of experience with those engines.
They were part of “the military standard” series of engines. All sharing standardized bore and stroke, common:
Pistons
Rods
Pushrods
Heads
Valves
Rockers
They were made in:
Single cylinder (1hp)
Twin cylinder (2hp)
Four cylinder (6hp)
They were purely industrial designs, made to run 24/7 at rated horsepower in all environments.
Really well built to high standards.
Being industrial, they were optimized for longevity and parts commonality over performance.
In the 70’ the army did a study to improve performance and efficiency. Redesigned the heads with higher compression, correctly sized valves (the originals had the same size intake & exhaust valves) and improved cam profiles. Result basically tripled the horsepower of each, while improving efficiency. Without a reduction in longevity.
By the time testing was complete, the army had decided on dieselization of the entire fleet, including small engines. So the improved design was never adopted.
That new home for a refugee military motor has awesome written all over it; I figure you two for just the guys to wring the potential out of it! When you get all four cylinders firing, you might want a bit smaller gear on the axle- while you are in there, a .75 inch or 1.00 inch axle might also be a thought. And maybe a bit bigger gas tank to feed the drinking problem. You didn't day, but 1:19 for a sick motor and a cart not really gone through was pretty quick all things considered. Just under a minute will get anything on the board; three cylinders of this thing will do that!
"Military grade hardware" like this is possibly why military trained mechanics are so sought after. 😂 Seriously though, I would love to see something like this fitted into a street motorcycle or chopper project... John. 😅❤
I love you two together you just match so perfectly more, please.
to keep the military theme, call it "Major Problems". But seriously, very cool!
This Old Man from Washington NC always enjoying your videos 👍. The things y'all dream up are amazing. Love You Guys. 🛵🧔💝💝💝
Oh man that sound!!!!! Definitely needs some more development and in a decent frame!
Charles is wayyy cooler than Owen Wilson 😂
Loved this Video with Ike wnd Charles... yall did a great job and it was very fun to watch... I like all you guys... so keep the awesome stuff coming fellas.. 😀😀
That was awsom, I like to see old military motors brought back to life!! Amazing guys, and thanks for sharing!!👍👍👍
i like vids like this they seem chaotic but fun to watch. that engines pretty kool would be kool to see it running better ✌nice work guys.
This one is maximum chaos, but it turned out great
Very true wish i could have a drive 😁looked very fun
Someone else suggested it get put into the King Midget, and frankly if y'all can get this engine super reliable and electric started that could be a cool idea
You should get one of those
MINI MILITARY JEEPS and put that engine in to
I was screaming at my screen "24 VOLTS!!"
That's the first thing I thought when they hit the starter and it didn't do much. Military stuff is always 24v in my experience.
I had one of Them little guys , Always thought about 12-15HP
Kinda wish i never sold it after seeing this!
Sounds about right. No way 30 ci is making 30 HP.
I had the 084 it was rated around 28 I believe. There is a 2 cyl 042. But the military rates at over 100 degrees and around 9000 feet altitude.
That engine could be cool in the right project. I would try to get the factory carb working or replaced. C&C has had a checkered history when it comes to carb tuning.
Can’t wait to see more of this go kart.
I really like this episode. When I was younger in 1998. My dad and I found that same engine at a swap meet and put it on my one wheel peel go cart. So this episode brings back some good memories. Thanks guy's. Keep up the good work.
I still think it would be badass on the little blue car!!!!!!!!!!
Love that taylor still comes around good friends are hard to find and anyone at all is hard to keep around
Many years ago, my Dad and a friend of his got a Wisconsin V-4 engine, about 35 hp, and put it on a go-cart. Lots of fun!
52 Delta would be a good name for it That's what the generator mechanics are called back then
10ish on a good day till the heads were redesigned then it made 16ish hp. But thats military ratings. I have a 1 of the 4A032 engines and 3 of the 2A016 engines. They are all great engines. I am happy to see you guys making one work!
@carsandcameras i have some info you might appreciate; the "fuel cutoff" yall mentioned is the air\fuel. The other twisty bit higher on the carb is for governor rpm. Dont undo the vertical screw on top. The original carb is probably still good but dont leave gasoline in it, ethanol will rot the seals and arent really available.
The original service and operation manuals are readily available online so you can preset the carb thats pretty sensitive about the afr and governor adjustment.
I have one of the complete generators with that exact motor from '74, got it for free after itd sat outside for a decade or two. Your guys motor didnt sound right, they are pretty smooth sounding once dialed. Also, theres no ignition advance.
Thanks for your fun content
I think getting a vaccum advance or modern cdi on those things would be spicy and theyre made tolerate abuse.
If you have points, there are surplus solid state retrofit kits. Still no ignition advance but maybe hack one in from there
""ITS A GREAT GENERATOR, IT DONT GO ANYWHERE, IDK WHY""😭😭😭 gotta be the funniest thing I've heard all week
Put it on a yurfdog. Make it a military mind blower
YALL SHOULD DO A 4 ENGINE 6X6 CART BUILD !!!!
one trick my dad used to do with electric motors, which should also work on the starter. take it apart, get the windings out or get clear access to them. clean them via electronic cleaner. let it dry. then soak the windings with rattle can lacquer. about half the time it will fix the motor and make it like new. sometimes they get weak or stop due to the coating going away on the windings. but between cleaning them and recoating them it can make them functional again. that or if you have a local place the rewinds generators, alternators and starters, pay them to just redo it.
anyways, after you get that motor running good and get the starter fixed, it's be cool to ss if it'll fit inside the mini car.
Coleman's Military surplus is a good place to start looking for one of these motors
This thing NEEDS to be a project. From what I’m seeing it looks like they have a really low compression so it would be perfect for a turbo
Ike is a BEAST!
When I heard that fire off the first time, I swear that did sound like an old Volkswagen! That would make a neat rear engine rail or sand rail. I really like your videos.
Charles did a magic trick with his glasses in the beginning of video I think you might have missed it 🤓✌️👍🏻🚖🎥🫶🫵
JOHN !!!!!!!! NEED more IKE and CHARLES videos
You should find yourselves an air cooled Wisconsin 4 cylinder with a 12volt system. I think they’re about 30 - 35 hp and you can still get parts for them and they’re easy to work on and very dependable. You might have to reinforce the frame a little but, that shouldn’t be a big deal for you guys.
@ cars and cameras...try some type of mufflers/exhaust on it.most of these engines need back pressure to run at 100 percent
cant wait for this engine update
Charles is my spirit animal.
You need to do a mini bike roadtrip again.
That cart is badass brother
First one in a long time that reminded me of the beginning.
I’m ready to see several of these motors guys.
there are utility carts at many bases that are just go karts with shoe horned springs for suspension that use these engines lol
You guys should build a mini bike with a side car, but instead of a passenger being in it, the engine is there!! Ike can use one of his magic boxes. Keep up the great content guys!
Yes more like this love this cart more on this please
You might find that the 'fuel shutoff' is actually a mixture adjustment/an adjustable jet.
Absolutely 💯 percent worth making a project out of lads. Loving the engine 🇬🇧
The ape hanger four banger!
That 4cyl would be sweet in that little blue roadster.
I just wonder how many guys, back in the day, used to look at these engines and wonder what they could shoehorn them into for some entertainment in the jungle.....
You need to get rig of that massive flywheel for one. Strip it down to the bare essentials and make a good exhaust.
Its so good to see Taylor again. Missed that face! Glad hes doing well despite the flat tire.
I've seen these engines used on ultralight aircraft. It's a teledyne/continental. It may remind you of a vw because they're both 4 cyl air-cooled boxers,..but it's even more like a baby airplane engine - though folks have been flying behind vw engines for decades. Hardly any of these have been used - not enough h.p.'s vs. weight. They're built like little tanks though.
Charles really makes this channel. It’s just something about him! 👍🏼😁
How about making one that the military could use with the same engine? I am thinking of one that is larger with a good seat. off road wheels and tires. Perhaps some light armor protection for the driver. Perhaps a cargo shelf over the engine in back for supplies. As silent as possible. It could be for scouting or anything that might need a lower profile to remain out of sight as much as possible. People have used those engines for small homebuilt airplanes due to their small size.
Great video love to see more of this cart
That engine needs to be in the King Midget.
I certainly liked this build. Potential for this machine is definitely there. You boys make sure to revisit this soon.
🎉 the green monster.🎉.... thanks for the video guys... awesome 👍😎........JJ... Jonjon....😊
I think that v4 is probably more powerful than the stock motor from the opel in the back!.
Damn! That motor and frame were meant for each other! Perfect fit!
Freaking amazing
nice to see Chuck, great stuff guys thanks
Made my day seeing this I got one of them engines just sitting the exact same one
Man this build is awesome keep up the great work guys 😄
Thanks guys
Central California watching
Such a cool build