Hello! I had a bunch of audio problems with this video. I tried to fix it as best I could, but apologies in advance if it sounds off in some parts ! Since Jenna will be an executive producer for S2, are you hoping they do anything differently?? I think she’s getting rid of the love triangle which I am ALL for
I defend the Love Triangle for one reason and one reason only: it *DOESN'T* make sense. It reminded me of THE BIG LEBOWSKI, which is a story trying to build itself around a character who doesn't care, and who so heavily disrupts the effort by being himself that the movie eventually gives up. That's what Wednesday was to the Love Triangle: a character so heavily *uninterested* in it that she pretty much defuses the entire construct until it falls apart and becomes nothing. And she does it by basically being herself. It also yielded some great moments like the LEGALLY BLONDE reveal and the exploitation of Eugene which only made *him* more likeable. I think the show accidentally deconstructed the _Riverdale_ phenomenon by *trying* to be _Riverdale_ but by using the wrong character. They can only get away with it this one time though. Personally, I want S2 to be Wednesday getting a summer job at a very corporate fast food place where her misanthropy and color sense really clash with the environment. Then the Nevermore drama tries to follow her there but the corporate environment disrupts *that* as well. Basically, if each season involves Wednesday in a different setting and tone where she does *not* fit in, you could really have a dynamite series that never gets old.
The points you made about Crackstone are interesting, because what happened to him was the exact same thing that happened to Belos, aka Phillip Wittebane, in "The Owl House". He was a witchhunter who hated witches and didn't stop trying to destroy them until he was destroyed. However, in order to succeed in his plan, he not only used magic but corrupted his own humanity in order to carry out his plans. In the end, he had transformed into a devilish monster, but was so deep in his delusions that he couldn't see his true nature. I could see the same thing happening to Crackstone. It's just that he wasn't as developed as Belos that it feels weird. Also, I have a possible theory that Laurel has internalized misogyny from her family, which is why she resurrects Crackstone. She believes that she needs a man's help to complete her mission. Again, though, it feels awkward because it isn't well-developed.
giving wednesday random mommy issues when a huge point of the addams family has always been emphasizing the bond she has with morticia and how close they are is. so dumb? and completely unnecessary???
i think its a way for them to pander to the demographic of girls that was their target audience,, i feel like you know exactly the kind im talking about
@@catspaghetti4515 I mean, girls having issues with their mothers in teenagehood is normal. There isn't a specific "kind" of girl that goes through it. I wouldn't even call it pandering (makes it sound like it came out of nowhere).
Yeah, the way they went about doing it in Wednesday was really weird and felt very awkward. Rather than making it seem like Wednesday despises her mother and doesn't want to be anything like her, they should have done something similar to Turning Red, where Mei-Mei loves and respects her mom, but she's starting to grow into her own person and the relationship dynamic is changing. That would have been cool to see in Wednesday with a character as outwardly emotional-less as she is. I feel like Wednesday would actually feel sad about growing apart in this way from her mother because they've always been so close.
@@joyc.e.7511They really wanted to monetize this show for young girls. And they nailed it. I see little girls wearing some Wednesday shirts way too often.
yes i can see that with Xavier, but with Tyler, that just didn’t click with me. but i also didn’t feel there was much chemistry either. i’ll be interested to see where they go in S2 since they’ll be moving away from the love triangle !
@@acemyname funny cause of the conversation about the similarities between manic pixie dream girls and autistic girls, and the other conversations about headcannoning Wednesday as autistic.
I really hope that Season 2 will do away with the unnecessary love triangle. Even Jenna has stated that Wednesday doesn't even need a love interest, she's awesome just as she is.
As an acearo person, yes please. I'm so sick and teird of every story needing the main character get with someone. When I 1st saw Luz, I thought she was ace, she was wearing ace colors and was a shy weirdo... nope just the 100th bi person 😤 Literally the only connon ace person in animation is Todd, and he's not aro and then there is Sheldon Cooper he's on that ace aro spectrum but thats not Great ace rep and he's not even animated xD
@@Thebeezzkneezz. Lilith is canonically aroace in ToH btw. We also dont 100% know if Luz is ace or not just that she's bi(which doesnt mean she isnt aspec) and that her colors are very intentionally the ace colors(like how King's design uses the nb colors)
There were only a few problems I had with this show. 1. Wednesday does not need a love interest. 2. Wednesday love her family and would love for them to be accused of murder. 3. Wednesday would love that the one boy she was somewhat interested in was a psycho murdering monster and would be even impressed that he was able to fool her. 4. Pugsley would never be bullied, he is just as crazy as his sister. 5. Not enough of the family dynamic as I wanted. I love the Adam's Family movies.
I don't understand what they were going for with the show. They made Wednesday a hypocrite according to 2. and 3. They made Morticia a bitch and Gomez an idiotic husband and they destroyed the family bond.
1.) Wednesday didn't end up with anyone at the end, her crush on Tyler also didn't have that much focus on the show. 5.) I get this one. However I also see it logical that because she is independent and also a teen at this point, she would be more distant towards her parents. Them spying her, being very affectionate and sending her to their old school makes her feel like her boundries were violated, even If these things aren't bad for the most part. There could of been more screen time for the rest of the family though. I mostly agree with the rest of the points.
I agree. I had the same issue with Netflix Sabrina: the aesthetics of both shows is immaculate but they (sadly) dont keep the heart and depth of the og content.
@@r-v4429 I really don't agree with the excuse of her just being a teenager, because that's the exactly stereotype that every American family has wich is the "teenager that hates her family and can't communicate to them", the Addams goes completely against those stereotypes, for me that was just the writers not knowing what to do so get to the plot with the family so they just created a stupid bs for that, also them spying on Wednesday also feels like bs to me, because they never really needed to spy on them because they never really cared about what they are doing as long as they are having fun
@@PancakesVanilla I get that you're annoyed at the writers for making the characters act differently than they did on the Adams family. The spying is weird and Wednesday isn't a norml teen so maybe I shouldn't compare her to normal teens. Allthough, this is also a new show and can't Be compared too much to the OG. What I'm saying is W is an independent person in general, and 'for most people,' puberty only strengthens some of the type of characteristics W has naturally anyway. But that is not an excuse for Wednesday or the writing for anything. I don't Think she is a stereotypical teen for the most Part, she fully rejects the idea of phones, social media and dating for most of the season. She also doesn't seriously hate her parents and clearly warms to them.
I still am disgusted by how they made Wednesday “hate” her mother or be mad at her for just existing, and also when her parents show affection to each other. The Addams Family was supposed to be the opposite of the common American family portrait on media, a family that actually loves each other and feels comfortable with each other.
I understand a teen maybe won't want to watch their parents kissing, but they take it to the extreme. She doesn't just dislike the PDA, she hates her parents because they exist?? It makes zero sense.
this show honestly just has the name of the addams on it. it doesn't reflect the whole point of their existance. it just isn't the addams. it could be any other random gloomy, spooky family. they took away the things that make the addams stand out. it's plainly outrageous.
@@vampiritazz That’s kind of why I never watched past the first episode. I’m sure it’s fine as a show, I like its aesthetics and it’ll probably leave a mark on a new generation similar to Series of Unfortunate Events did for mine. But it doesn’t totally have what I think makes the original IP hit different.
Honestly what took me out of the show was the fact that they pretty much put her in Hogwarts and thought it was a good idea, fuck up the werewolf design with that hair on it. Everything was good until they put that for hair on her, and instead of being different and not seeing what's wrong with it goes out of her way to be different which is already off base of the original show
That’s what I’ve been saying! Some of my family watched Wednesdays without any knowledge of the Addams Family and they liked Wednesday but i just couldn’t because they completely took away the dynamic of the og Addams family
Wednesday considering Legally Blonde as a 'horror' movie because Elle is a girly girl is just totally unrealistic. In reality she would've relate to Elle so much because they are both viewed as the 'weird' ones and are ostracized. Honestly I think it makes more sense to her to view Bambi as a horror movie because of its cutesy stuff and the only part she likes is when Bambi's mom was killed. Also Wednesday being the only goth kid at that school is so unrealistic. There has to be a bunch of Alt fashion kids in there somewhere.
I disagree for one reason: the writers made all the Nevermore students conventional kids. The only thing "weird" about them was that they were cryptids. Wednesday wasn't goth as much as she was monochromatic--she doesn't wear makeup, jewelry, or fashionable clothing, nor is she melodramatic. If anything, she's more 19th Century Victorian in her normal appearance. Wednesday is not only not like them, she's actually somewhat sociopathic; Bianca even calls her a "psychopath" which is apparently unnerving to a school full of vampires and werewolves. These Outcasts are surprisingly well-adjusted for being technical monsters to the point where Wednesday, the "Normie," is considered weird. Now, had the writers not tried to appeal to Gen Z by making all the Nevermore students behave like Gen Z kids, you'd be absolutely right. But these kids are virtually interchangeable with the Normie world they somehow can't fit in with.
@@bee7388 definitely, i think that scene is great plus there's even a scene in the movie where the family hates Pubert being blonde. They do accept him but theyre scared if Pubert will become a stereotypical blonde guy as they mention their fear when mentioning professions. As fans said, the family is about opposing the typical American family which means its anti Family Guy or whatever horrible american family shows (young sheldon) out there which is great. I also would like to mention Morticia hates pastels.
Goth doesn't mean evil, the Addams family aren't evil murderers, that's not the darkness they seek, they revel in the beauty of tragedy, the beauty of willing sacrifice, of pain and sorrow. It's about seeing the beauty of death and blood and weaponry, of poisons and bondage and melodrama, its about EMBRACING the positives of life THROUGH the negative! The show should clarify this and be consistent about it, yes Wednesday murdering pugsley is a joke as old as they are, but it's about helping pugsley find out the mystery and majesty of death. It's about subversion, that's what goths are, that's what the addams family stands for, light through darkness like the moon. Wednesday has always been the most deadpan family member and her characterization may act as such but she's not a bitch, Wednesday was never a needless bitch to everyone, she only fucked with people who challenged her, and mostly respects although without extreme empathy, the average humans feelings and priorities. Wednesday was never the girl in this show, which is why I can't stand it. Tim Burton just completely missed the point of Addams family in favor of his typical exact flavor of filmmaking, so disappointing. Yes the show is about her feelings but it's done so cringely from what I've seen
as a goth i love this although i think most people think of the 90s movies where they straight up talk about murdering ppl & the kids try to kill the baby & etc
yes, but to be honest wednesday addams is canonically bloodthirsty and macabre* to a point of being pretty cool with torture and murder *accurate both to christina ricci's and lisa loring's portrayals (and, deep cut, krysta rodriguez's) of the character
I don't think Enid's point was to be funny, if anything she nailed the cringy teenage girl thing she had going on and how that contrasts with Wednesday who's gloomy and effortlessly funny because of her deadpan delivery. But yeah, I can see how Enid's writing needs to be improved, they definitely could've done her better.
yes, i guess i felt that instead of coming off as an authentic teenage girl, it (sometimes) felt like an adult's version (as in, whoever wrote her lines) of what a teenage girl should be. i do hope her character improves in S2 because i do love how she contrasts Wednesday!
She felt super Netflix original written by a super old dude who's never interacted with a girl in his life. But she does have potential if she has a better writer behind her
How exactly is Wednesday "effortlessly funny" though? She's just needlessly rude and a bitch to everyone around her. Sure, let her have her snarky remarks every once in a while but only spouting snarky one-liners? Kinda grating after a while. For as cringy as she might have been, I enjoyed Enid's presence far more than I enjoyed our supposed title heroine.
Honestly the whole show I was just frustrated how people would constantly say to Wednesday “YOU KNOW IF YOU KEEP BEING MEAN NO ONE WILL WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU, YOU BAD FRIEND” like... that’s the whole point. she didn’t want to be friends with you, so she was purposely mean and didn’t hold back. just because you were nice to her doesn’t make you friends.
I’m sorry, but Wednesday’s original character would never act the way she did in this show. Also everyone was mad at her because she nearly got them killed and is a jerk to everyone for no reason.
And she never showed remorse for them, she send Xavier to prison and she had no respect for Dr Kimbot (I didn’t like her but you would think Wednesday would have felt even a little bit of guilt after finding out) and she had the audacity to ask Xavier for help while he was still in jail It would have made more sense if maybe she would have been too focused on a target and not seeing outside clues cuz she was so sure of herself
the first “reveal” i was like WOAH THAT MAKES SENSE. then it happened three more times and it was getting predictable and boring. and im usually the one who never seems anything coming!
i think enid's character has a LOT of potential but im not sure i trust these show writers to recognize that. i think there would be something very interesting about portraying her insecurities better - because when you think about it, this girl (who has some nasty mommy issues, has one hell of a coward as a father, is afraid of rejection, in more than one occasion is shown going through rage outbursts, and uses gossip to get in people's head, like she did with lucas) could very much be a deep well of anger hiding behind a happy sunshine live laugh love front and thats so interesting?? i think they show that sometimes, but definitely dont delve into it. anyways, the writing with this show pisses me off we could have had it all
this is so good! having her sunshine & rainbows self as a sort of defense mechanism would make her character more dynamic. a little extra depth would have sold me on her character so much more
Why do I feel like If the show writers did this they would turn It into some sort of thing proving goth girls like Wednesday are better because sunshine rainbow girls are like not actually happy and themselves or whatever, same vibes as those stupid girls vs boys things 💀💀
this is really late but wtv. I think it would be coolif they showed more of her anger/gaslighting side, to show that she really is kind of like Wednesday in a sense but hides behind a wall, and she goes about it in a more secretive way. I think her and Wednesday would be a great pair in trying to find stuff out about people by Wednesdays smartness, and Enids access to all sorts of info from other people (aka connections)
What I don't like is that Wednesday is too much of an "I'm not like other girls" girl came to life... Like her only defining feature is not being the same as everyone else, existing in a fantasy where no other goth/punk/emo/alternative dressing people exist.
@@federerlkonig330 It also takes place in modern time, so Wednesday wouldn’t be the only goth there. Also, why did everyone consider her a freak and dangerous when she’s not even a monster? Realistically, they’ll just think she’s edgy. I think Enid thought that she was just edgy.
@@isa-belva I love that she called out the scripts as BS and she had to fix them, and when Netflix tried to drag her for it, the audience basically told them to get bent.
@@artatmidnight I for one really enjoyed the first season. Sure, I had my issues with it, such as the finale feeling somewhat rushed & underwhelming, plus Wednesday's battle with Crackstone was too short with her taking Crackstone out way too easily& then there's the issue with Crackstone, himself feeling more like a one note villain out of a Scooby Doo episode, rather than a serious threat, the way Tyler & Laurel were. Plus, the special effects are in need of an overhaul. But other than that, the show & characters have been a delight. I also love the shows' unique blending of campiness with the gothic horror & its' handling of themes such as prejudice, whitewashing history, children paying for the sins of their parents & how those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I loved the flashback scenes with Goody Adams, plus Wednesday's iconic dance. I also love how Wednesday opens up to people & grows throughout the season learning how to trust & care for other people outside of her family. I also loved the mystery aspect of the show which kept you guessing. I hated the love triangle as it felt forced. Ironically, Jenna Ortega has said that they will move away from love triangles & romance as well as a tonal shift next season to grittier & darker as season 2 will be a straight up horror movie. Although, I would like to see a romance blossom between Enid & Wednesday. I would love to see them do something in the vein of "The Omen" or "The Exorcist." Or perhaps "The Temple of Doom." Also, a highlight for me this season was Thing nearly dying & Wednesday breaking down in tears over it. Or Tyler showing her "Legally Blond & the horrified look on her face as she watches it cracks me up every time. That is the kind of reaction you'd get from Wednesday if she watched something cute & cuddly. Pure comedy gold! The good far outweighs the bad here. So much potential waiting to be unlocked. Personally, I can't wait. What about you? What would you like to see for season 2?
I was honestly kind of hoping Enid wouldn't wolf out for a while or ever. It didn't feel earned, it just came out of nowhere. Maybe she could be more of an outcast from the werewolves, or find out that there's more to pleasing her mother. Maybe she'll find someone that accepts her.
Bianca was my favorite character. Of course she came off as mean at the very start, but then you see her struggling with herself and things out of her control, and the best part is that later on she shows that she's willing to work towards good things, and she has morals. The actress chosen was also beautiful.
As an Addams family movies aficionado, the worst parts of the show for me were the dynamics between Wednesday and her family, especially her mom, the portrayal of Pugsley and how cringe Gomez was. I always got the notion that movie Wednesday loved and admired her parents and their very affectionate relationship, to the point where her and Glicker mimicked their expressions and demonstrations of love during that camp breakout scene. Regarding Pugsley, he wasn’t a wimp that needed his sister’s constant protection. If anything, I’ve always considered Pugsley the more dangerous one because he seems so innocent and cute but he does sinister things, like remove a stop sign that leads to major accidents and possible death, all with an adorable and proud smile on his face. Now to the most heinous crime committed by this show: the cringe I felt every time Gomez was on the screen *shudder*. In a show that took itself a bit too seriously, Gomez was protrayed like such a goofy simp with absolutely no charm and I just couldn’t stand it. The connection between him and Morticia felt more like a puppy following its master with its tongue out rather than mutual adoration and love. I get they were trying for something different but they ruined what was my favorite part of what made the Addams family so iconic: the genuine love and devotion within a family unit while accepting each other’s qualities, flaws and kookiness.
LITTERALY, also like Gomez is this genius and a talented fencer who would murder people for fun and plot schemes. They made his character a pathetic simp that could barely fight and relied on his wife like this was not the same man 💀
they literally should have made him more mobster-y like how he was in the movies. It just makes his character so loveable. The way they did him so dirty made me cry
Well, YOU try to find someone as good as Raul Julia in this day and age. I don't even think Javier Bardem could have pulled it off and I love me some Javier Bardem. Also, Pugsley was dangerous in indirect ways: removing a stop sign isn't the same as as firing a crossbow or wielding a shovel. Wednesday was more likely to kill someone with her bare hands while Pugsley was more likely to kill someone by leaving thumbtacks on an intersection overlooking a cliff.
A good story for Enid would be that she could only transform into stressful situations for her or excessive anger (much tougher scenarios than in the first season), a matter that due to her cheerful personality would make her uncomfortable but would help her learn to accept all her emotions beyond of being "good" or "bad" creating another contrast with Wednesday who prefers not to feel. Sorry, it's not my first language.
Yes, that spunds cool! I love her bc I see some parts of her in myself (also from wednesday) and I‘d like to see her transform from a „have to feel good“ to the optimism that takes everything, the good and the bad as you said!
@@mugibugi7669 that wasn't even Wednesday is an alerdy established character all he did was make her more emotional and give 2 love interest that no one asked for
@@randomgeekcrap i tried to give him some credit but those credits aint even belong to him wtf lmao. Ok im being unfair i like how he created enid to contrast wednesday though
@@mugibugi7669 I would say he puts all of his passion into the setting and premise then relies on actors to make the characters interesting. This is why he does really well with Helena and Depp. Or Michael Keaton.
yeah tim seems to be much more about the the world building and vibes. his characters aren’t very dimensional but he puts so much effort into these settings & worlds that are so magical parred with simple (and i mean simple in a positive way) stories. that seems to be his biggest strength.
Tyler was annoying for pursuing Wednesday when she didn't reciprocated. He kept trying to make her the bad guy for "giving him mixed signals" which she never did. She's supposed to be "taking advantage of him" by asking him to help her, or being friendly, but I just interpreted it as that; asking a friend for help. And she only goes on a date with him after he says that she's giving him mixed messages. He might have tried to gain her trust and feelings just to make her less suspicious of him, or because he wanted to break her heart, but I think they tried to make it seem like Wednesday needed to learn a lesson for ignoring his feelings, but he was just gaslighting and guilting her into reciprocating the whole time.
All I would like to add is that the idea of making Crackstone a wizard is not as stupid as you might think. Because it makes him a grade-a hypocrite! Like saying ‘Rules for thee but not for mee’.
Thank you, I didn't like the show a lot but this is a point of contention I never really understood. Crackstone gaining powers works because his discrimination is based on the fact that there are other beings more powerful than him, which cannot coincide with his worldview. Most discrimination isn't based on a moral or idealistic standoint but is in fact, rooted in a desperate need to maintain a power structure you believe is fair since it benefits you, so Crackstone being a super powerful undead wizard whose sole purpose is to kill every other magical being functions as a perfect demonstration of how hatred and bigotry isn't birthed from any sort of logic or value but instead an irrational necessity to maintain your own priviledge.
ive always thought Pugsley is several times more terrifying than Wednesday. Everything he does, he does it with a smile. You can atleast tell that Wednesday has a sadistic nature but for Pugsley, he looks and acts like a normal kid. People tend to discredit him but hes done worse things than Wednesday
@@shnxldff True! This series makes him look like he just has emotions and/or “inferior” to Wednesday. In the movies, yes he shows emotions (ie. scared of being replaced as the only son) but he has done more horrible things to make up for it.
aside from the characters i just found the entire setting of Wednesday to be boring. it’s supposed to be a school for outcasts but wednesday doesn’t even fit in there, we have enough supernatural school narratives, it’d be so much more fun story wise and visually. one of my favorite scenes is the opening where she dumps the piranhas in the pool. the contrast between her and her environment is so nice and it would’ve been fun to see her fight this old colonizer but also needing to deal with the “regular” people around her
the hugging thing bothered me a lot too. Enid is supposed to be such an amazing friend yet she’s always trying push Wednesday’s boundaries. i feel like they should’ve have added Enid hugging Wednesday at the end before Wednesday gave permission. just to show that Enid had grown to respect Wednesday’s boundaries. it was just weird to me, i think physical touch boundaries isn’t something people should compromise on
That is something that bothered me too. Why does she have to be lovey dovey to people? That's not who she is and it's not something she's comfortable with. Everyone constantly being mad at her distance when she clearly states her boundaries and never pretends to like anyone she doesn't like, is crazy.
I think Enid reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally needs validation from others through reciprocation in order to quell her insecurities. Remember, the source of her inner turmoil is her mother's bigotry and her father's loving but impotent support. She's likely been dealing with this for many years and so the conflict is likely starting to boil over. Wednesday's "acceptance" of her affection might be something she "needs" as a personally-imposed mission statement: if her roomie can't accept her, how can her parents?
She clearly understood that she wasn’t a hugger when she first met her. When Wednesday backed up every time she tried to hug her, Enid stops and says “oh, yeah, sorry.” She understood that she wasn’t a hugger, she just forgot. Wednesday treated her horribly because she was colorful, and put her in danger several times along with everyone else. Sure, Enid’s not a pure Angel, but she did care about her to move back in after Wednesday nearly got killed.
I feel that I might've been the only person who wasn’t necessarily against the idea of the love triangle in Wednesday; in fact, I was actually quite fond of the idea. The Addams Family is all about parody, and I was ready to see that similar satirical lens taken to teen drama tropes. Plus, it wouldn’t be the first time Wednesday had a love interest: my man Joel Glicker, token Jewish serial killer fanboy, and his relationship with Wednesday in the Addams Family Values movie was very entertaining. The difference is that not only did Joel have a character, but he lends himself well the comedy of the movie. Joel and Wednesday’s relationship was a parody of summer camp romance plotlines and that concept to delivered a very charming and silly dynamic that had its own open ending as well. I think that’s part of the problem with Wednesday; it takes itself and the tropes it’s engaging with too seriously. The Addams are such a memorable and fun cast of characters because they are intrinsically absurd in their concept: a parody/inversion of the ideal suburban family who thinks everyone around them is weird while they're actually the weird ones. When you remove that silly subversive aspect from them, you remove their core. How fun would this series have been is it (no pun intended) lightened up a bit? If everything wasn’t played so straight, but instead these tropes were used effectively for parody? For example, here’s a suggestion to no in particular that I came up with. What if Wednesday’s interest in Tyler was because she was using him in her teenage rebellion phase? Wednesday doesn’t want to end up like her parents, so maybe she uses her relationship with Tyler as means of rejecting that. In reflection of the girls who date bad boys to get back at their parents’ trope, the comedic subversion is hooking up with Tyler and his boring good boy act and it falls apart because Tyler is actually the exact type of guy that'd fit in with the Addams, an outcast who revels in the joy of making the world just a little worse than where they left it. Maybe her disgust at Tyler killing people isn’t the act per say, but the fact that he’s now boring to her because he likes killing people and he’s just like other boys now, ugh. Like that’s kind of funny, it ties into Wednesday’s teenage angst in regards to her family, and it shows she’s not actually ready for a romance if she perceives it so childishly while keeping the betrayal element intact. Xavier, in comparison, would be the obvious choice for “Addams family candidate”; a tortured artist of a childhood friend who engages in slightly creepy gestures of love like painting her image in his worn-out art shed. He even has psychic abilities like the Addams women do in this show! And it’d work because in the eyes of the audience Xavier clearly supposed to be the Veronica to Tyler's Betty in the beginning (though this is inverted later on) but to Wednesday it would be flipped because Tyler would be the outsider and the "unsafe option" and Xavier wouldn’t be. It's so weird that Xavier and Tyler aren't really foils of one another when that is a staple in love triangle plots. I feel like if you swapped their roles, they wouldn't have very different dialogue. Why don’t you make that contrast more pronounced? It doesn't help that they're not very visually distinguishable from one another like Enid and Wednesday are. Hell, Tyler’s more of a foil to Enid that his actual competition, which is probably why people are more inclined to see Enid as a romantic option for Wednesday than the boys she's actually supposed to have romantic chemistry with. It's kind of unfortunate. Like regardless of how one feels about love triangles, I think we could've had something fun. Anyway, sorry for this super long comment lol. I care a lot about Addams family as you can tell.
@@williamtimonen6814 Thank you for the compliment, but yeah could you imagine? "So what does this...Tyler do, sweetheart? Funeral clerk, assistant grave digger, taxidermy apprentice?" "He works at a coffee shop. His pumpkin spice latte skills are...adequate." "...Oh! I see. Well, some people have to work jobs that may not be the best for them. Not everyone can be as fortunate as us. Does he plan to...go to school?" "Yes actually. (Cue look of horror from the family) His father's sheriff. The plan is him going into law someday." "...Gomez, Bubeleh, can we talk in private for a minute?"
@@wins2677 Oh shoot, I completely forgot about the musical (always forgot to watch it). The 2009 one, right? That's amazing you got to work on it, and yeah that's another one with an aged up Wednesday to boot.
I am so so happy this video was made. These were EXACTLY my thoughts when the show came out. I felt like I was actually going crazy because I thought the show was average!! I did enjoy the watch, but the characters needed soooo much work (except Wednesday lol)
thank you Emma! I had fun watching it too, but just couldn't shake the things that didn't make sense to me. I'll still be curious about S2 though because I loved Jenna as Wednesday - she's def the best part! 🖤
Finally someone who speaks sense! I am an Addams Family and Tim Burton fan and I was so disappointed by this show. It was like it had no idea what it wanted to be.
Finally someone who said it. Its also so clear how it was a cashgrab, people don’t know but studios will closely watch each other to see what they bring out. Wednesday was a reply on a monsterhigh remake by a different studio. They just placed the Adems Family in there so the story would have some love to stand on. And its so clear to see, it couldve been any other character doing the exact same things.
I wish Bianca had also been goth/alt. It would have been an interesting foil for Wednesday to have to contend with her outcast status being based on something a little less superficial than ‘she wears black and likes creepy things’.
How cute would it have been though if Wednesday’s “acceptable” form of affection (instead of hugs) became her mother’s little air-kisses? No full-contact, as that seemed like such a jump, but an acknowledgement of intimacy and an acceptance of her mother’s traits which she had previous rebelled against
Can we PLEASE talk about how beautiful and amazing the blue/teal? dress that Bianca is wearing??? WOW the actress looks absolutely amazing!! I haven’t watched the show, I’m not a of modernized takes on classics that don’t need the addition to their franchises so I don’t know the actresses name BUT- she’s absolutely GORGEOUS. The stylist team snapped with her😍😍
The one thing that has always bugged me about the whole piranha scene is that it is so very wrong. Contrary to Hollywood movies, piranhas don't even like humans who they perceive as predators and do not even like human flesh. They would only eat human flesh if there was no other option. They like plants, mollusks, worms and insects. On occasion they may ambush a small animal like capybara or a snake. So, the piranhas in the opening sequence would not have gone after the swimmers. Not only because they do no like human flesh but because the chlorine in the pool would have killed them within minutes. They would not have been able to mount an attack because the chlorine would enter their gills and put them in a stupor as the chlorine poisons their blood. I would have thought Wednesday, with her intelligence and blood lust, would know this.
Tyler was only fun when he showed his true self. I like him as the psychotic killer who doesn't care about anyone. If used properly, this could be used as a mirror to what Wednesday could become if she doesn't open up, but I doubt this show can handle that kind of maturity.
Wednesday being romantically involved with someone like Tyler or Xavier just doesn’t make sense. They’re clearly trying to do the cliché trope of the emotionless falling for the emotional, if that makes sense. it just doesn’t work for / with Wednesday b/c of who her character is as a person.
Why is it always the case that in every teenage love triangle the two main boys have collectively less charisma and personality than a piecie of dry bread. And at the end of the day it turns out that the heroine has more chemistry with one of her female friends lmao
I felt the opposite. I thought Tyler with his mom issues, going to therapy yet still being traumatized as a Hyde, his dad, he was the interesting character. Where Xavier came off as a huge incel. Both of them did at times, "Why aren't you acknowledging my feelings for you?!?". Tyler admitting he enjoyed killing, I am hoping this is a true Jekyll / Hyde scenario for Tyler. Where Xavier, I hope he fades into the background. Weems was the best, loved every scene she's in, and they really screwed up killing her off. Making a character with a body count (or cover them up) lends to having the character die at the end of the story, like the mayor, but the character on paper and the actor portraying them can become 2 different people, much like Snape.
You have put my thoughts into words. Thank you. Xavier was way too pushy and entitled to Wednesday's attention and affection. I get that he was jealous but he didn't make himself appealing.
Thank you! People keep repeating that Tyler was bad, that he didn't mean anything he did and said and it just makes me think they don't know what they're talking about in the slightest and don't know the Dr. Jekyll and Hyde story at all.
I think instead of a love triangle they shouldve had tyler be a friend that wednesday comes to trust who turns out to be the monster, and have xavier pursue her like he does and have wednesday continously reject him because i felt like he treated wednesday more like a fantasy of this not like other girls character he had in his head, rather than as her own person and this wouldve been an interesting thing for wednesday to have deal with. I dont think that the writers wrote xavier like that on purpose but if they had it wouldve been better because then over the course of the season we couldve have growth from xavier giving him an interesting storyline and comedic moments where wednesday repeatedly brutally rejects him with a stone cold face or set traps for him when he tries to approach her room or other places she hangs out. It also gives him a reason to be there so he can help wednesday solve the mystery without having a love triangle that wednesday addams would never participate in.
wednesday makes my blood boil like a soup pot in hell because i dont think either timmy, netflix or someone in the writers room understood the source material at all
She didn't solve either of the mysteries. The murder of Garet was just unvailed by her mother and the Crackstone case was unvailed after she had falsely imprisone someone and there was no one left as a suspect. She kinda failed both cases.
It’s so funny how no one gets Tyler’s character right. “He’s simply evil”… his whole lore is based on the Jekyll and Hyde which explores the human duality. Aside from Wednesday, he’s the most interesting character for me.
I wonder if the intentions of this was the most mainstream take, Jekyll being good and Hyde evil or if they stuck to the original intentions as Jekyll being the good front and Hyde acting as a disguise for him to do all the evil things he repressed himself from doing. That would change how people perceive Tyler’s character if he had no control versus if he did have control. But either way- he was abused and groomed into that state of mind so- does it even matter? He’s a victim either way. I agree with you he’s a super interesting character!
@@juanaabadiebottcher5508 idk why everyone is going crazy over Jenny Ortega. She's beautiful, but this role is not that demanding. Christina Ricci pulled it off better as a child.
Before I watch fully I'd just like to say I've had the same thoughts I feel like the show was kinda bland (specifically Wednesday herself) they sucked the joy out her character from the other iterations and uninspired I can't wait to see ur thoughts on the show
I hope you enjoy! I thought this show was a fun, light watch, but has the potential to be a lot more. I thought Jenna did a great job as Wednesday with what she was given though 🖤
@@artatmidnight yeah I understand for me personally it had a bit of a weak start and the ending could've been better handled but over all I did have a bit of fun so it wasn't rlly bad!
Addressing your point at 45:07- I think Enid rejected her mom’s offers for the camps because she wants to release her wolf on her own terms, instead of her family forcing her to do it when she’s not emotionally ready.
yes, I do think that's part of it! but this is also what confused me. is wolfing out something you choose to do? because she says she'll do it when she's ready, and yet when she finally does, it was involuntary. i guess i think she should've had a say in when the transformation happened for it to make sense. or maybe i just misinterpreted the process 😅
@@artatmidnight It likely happens involuntarily when the body and mind is ready. Enid was in a dangerouse situation where someone she cared about could be hurt. Her body was likely ready to wolf out because of the adrenaline and her mind because of her desperation to protect Wednesday like how some people can lift extremely heavy stuff in dangerous situations especially when their children are involved.
honestly, in the old adaptations of the Addams family Wednesday was still young, now she's a teenager, so it makes sense for her to get more in touch with emotions like every teenager does. The love triangle was not necessary but she is able to feel love and friendship and hurt, just at a different capacity than others. Its not like her family has a history of no emotion and no love so it does makes sense that she has the slightest amount of it looking at a standpoint that she's a teen now going through very different things.
i wish bianca and wednesday were a more popular ship because I feel like they have more chemistry and a more interesting dynamic than enid and wednesday
I wish Bianca’s eyes were more of a normal, beautiful brown shade that still stands out without looking abnormal. She’s a fav character of mine other than Wednesday so I’m hoping next season they flush her out even better and add more dynamics to her character.
I LOVED Tyler. I feel the ending should've been more open-ended, making him a mixed character, because i would LOVE for that to be explored. And his romantic/sexual(???) abuse from Thornhill was completely overlooked, and really heartbreaking. He had the awkward charm of a teenager, but was upbeat enough so Wednesday and him kind of fit strangely together. Even though i agree with Jenna saying Wednesday shouldn't have love interests at all, Xavier was SO BLAND of a character to the point his writing infuriated me. The onscreen chemistry is nonexistent, and I am kinda appalled that he forgave Wednesday after she attempted to brutally torture him. It's some real Y/N shit. My admiration of him might also be because we both have daddy issues lol.
One problem with Enid's character has to do with how conversion therapy works in real life compared to how it works in the show. In real life, conversion therapy is a screwed up thing that doesn't work and traumatizes the children involved. In the show, it actually makes sense(assuming that the methods used are not traumatic and do work). It's closer to that of medical intervention rather than discrimination. In essence, they compared her disability to queerness, which is not accurate(And very queerphobic, but that's a whole other conversation). You did bring this up, but I just wanted to talk about it a little more.
Honestly I was a little bummed that she would be staying in a school away from her family. We know she cares about her family obviously, but it would’ve been so nice if her first willingness to give someone a hug would’ve been puglsy or gomez. Maybe not mortica if they want them to have a more gradual build up to it since Wednesday has that animosity towards her but I’d just like her to interact with them more. The 90’s movies didn’t really go TOO in depth with their relationships to each other so considering how well written Wednesday herself is, I hope we see more of her feelings with her dad & pugsly next season
this show was exactly like the first burton alice in wonderland..bland, unimaginative, with cardboard characters and a finally that makes you go : "does this dude know the source material? wtf is that fight?"
I agree, and I really think that the premise was interesting and it along with Wednesday was what kept the viewer watching. So I think if they flesh out the characters more for s2 it could really be great
When I first watched Wednesday I initially thought it's obviously made for kids. Youknow just your typical disneychannel/ nickelodeon kind of quirky jokes where you just stare with a blank face. (I thought: the only thing missing now are soundbites of people laughing and clapping) I honestly considered not to continue but I did anyway and I'm pleasantly surprised it didn't turn out to be a kids show, thanks to Jenna. If it wasn't for her, it would've been and it probably would've been unwatchable.
Eh, idk. Her mother is very affectionate towards her father and vise versa, I'm pretty sure she'd inherit a strong form of affection in her own way soon
When I watched the series, I didn’t think (and still don’t think) that she was mad because her dad killed someone, she was mad because they didn’t tell her. And even when they did, it wasn’t the full story. At least that’s what I got from the series, but I could be totally wrong tho
that makes sense, i just wish they made it a bit more clear if that was the case. we know wednesday in this series to be direct and brutally honest, so I would think she would make it more clear why she had a problem with it. (I could be wrong, it's been a while since i watched the series)
Honestly the show isn’t silly and weird enough for me to get invested in, it’s just doesn’t have the vibes of the adam’s family that I fell in love with (also it’s too straight lol)
Phenomenal video! I especially agreed with Enid’s “Wolf Out” and how she either should’ve transformed halfway or not at all. Thus solidifying the message that Enid doesn’t need to change and can be a hero, exactly as she is. Less of a spectacle, more logic! I will say, I would have loved more screentime with the families (mainly Addams versus Sinclairs versus Barclays). Imagine if the show had explored different family dynamics and advantageously used the Addams as the most functional family model (i.e. loving, communicative, supportive)-alike the source material-since the beginning? Over the course of the season(s), the Addams would have been juxtaposed with everyone else’s dysfunctional families. Wednesday could’ve learned to better interact with all kinds of people, and characters like Enid and Bianca could’ve been exposed to parents who are accepting and nurturing (as a result of getting to know Wednesday). Wednesday slowlyyyy (like, crawling through spider webs at a snail’s pace slow) learning to connect more with people AND indirectly sharing her iconic support system with everyone else. I think it would’ve been bloody engaging! Overall, still looking forward to S2.
I so love this idea! balancing others experiencing a healthy support system from Wednesday's family and Wednesday learning healthy social/empathy skills from others is such a great through line. you could definitely work that through multiple seasons, especially if Wednesday's growth is slow (which I would prefer too!). here's to hoping we get some of those elements in S2 🖤
the way Enid said "you're sending me to conversion therapy for werewolves??" and then proceeded to "wolf out" a few episodes later... what exactly is the message the writers are sending here? that the hero has to change (or worse, converted) to actually help people?? They try to use a really questionable analogy that sends a more negative message than a positive one in the end.
the statement at the beginning about not having seen the original source material is really interesting considering how important it is in the context of this show
Original material is irrelevant in the context of the this show. In this show Morticia is a bitch, Wednesday hates her mother and is a hypocrite, they both have super powers and Joel is retconned out of existence. Gomes is cringe and not suave, Pugsly is pathetic and not awesome.
i would argue that this show actually works better without the context of the source material since it's so far removed from it in the first place. a lot of people familiar with the comics or 60s show or 90s movies were even more disappointed by netflix's adaptation
I absolutely cannot stand this show. Wednesday took out all of the heart and zaniness of the original Addams Family. She is just a super stuck up and selfish character that never has to deal with the consequences of her actions. The faux motger/daughter teenage drama was just silly. Morticia was never the kind of mother that they portrayed here. Basically everything we have known about this family was thrown out the window to set up this husk of a character. I thought Bianca was a better and more sympathetic protagonist that the title named character. I used to love Tim Burton, sadly now his creative spark is only good for aesthetics. Though there was one really good character and that was Eugene. Maybe they can make a Eugene and Bianca show!
While Wednesday Season One had issues, I overall enjoyed it and I’m excited to see Season Two and further the development of Wednesday and the rest of the characters. I respectfully disagree with your opinion about the characters being bland, most of the characters have layers we see over the course of Season One. Writers said Wednesday and Enid hugging was a huge step of emotional journey for Wednesday. They’re opposite but they work, Enid admits she has flaws but they’re part of her. Bianca has depth, how she tries to escape her mother and be her own person. Contrast Bianca’s relationship with her mother and Wednesday’s relationship with Morticia. By the end with the reveal of Tyler added more to his character. Hunter said Tyler was gaslighting Wednesday about “signals” and was manipulating her. That date was so Laurel can steal the diary. I look forward to seeing Tyler’s development now it’s out in the open. I think Xavier is interested in Wednesday because she’s not interested in romance. I don’t think him forgiving her is forced. First time there was a time gap and second time she took an arrow for him. Granted, I think Wednesday and Xavier are better as friends. Like Jenna said, not everyone ends up with their crushes and are better as friends. I didn’t mind the potential romance between Wednesday and Tyler as it made the reveal more impactful and made sense that Tyler was manipulating Wednesday. I didn’t like the love triangle, that was too much. Season One has found it’s feet and established and developed the characters. Season Two can continue to expand on that. Jenna said she and the writers want to focus more on horror aspects and move away from romance while allowing Wednesday to be her own individual, which I’m glad about. Wednesday as a series has great potential and from what Jenna said, they’re going to capitalise on that. Writers have plans for at least four seasons, much to look forward to.
thanks for this comment Jordan! I can definitely agree with some of your points - like Bianca having depth and Xavier being better as a friend. Even though I may have some issues with the show, I genuinely had fun watching it so I will be looking forward to see what they do in S2!
I really liked the show and Jenna Ortega was brilliant and I love Enid and Wednesday's friendship was what had me hooked. The hug was a huge development that was so well done in terms of character development but that's just my opinion. I love your videos and I love you've stated your opinion but you weren't a toxic troll. Brilliant work, hunny! ❤
Thank you so much! I try to be balanced 🖤 even though I may have some issues with it, I still had fun watching it and I'll be interested to see how they approach S2!
i agree! Enid literally was seconds away from death and you can see it all over her face. the first thing she asks for is Wednesday, i feel like a hug is very much granted at that point and this is coming from someone who hates all of that shazaz
not to mention it shows a clear distinction between liking someone and not. honestly that kiss with tyler felt more like an experiment and xavier has saved her life before and we all knw what he gained from that
The one thing I didn't like about Enid and Wednesday's friendship was that Wednesday constantly put Enid in dangerous situations (which could have gotten her killed )without thinking of her safety. Like in that episode where they went into that abandoned house and got attacked by the monster. I feel like sometimes Enid was just a means to an end. Enid moved out of their room because Wednesday is toxic but then she moved back in the next episode for no reason. Wednesday never changed, never apologized but apparently they just 'fit together ' and now they are bffs. I found that kinda weird
Goodie role confused me so much, especially since her mother warned her that she is dangerous, and yet she wasnt. Unless this is a plot twist, where goodie wanted to combine with Wednesday, maybe to try take over her body later on? But there is no motive for goodie to do that.
I love your analysis videos, I am doing a-level media studies and while your reviews aren't about the specific case studies they have helped me so much. They have definitely improved my understanding of what I should be considering and how to go about explaining as independent parts and as a part of the larger picture.
Also the super happy bright “sunshine” character being with the gloomy dark “moon” character is safe markability wise. Go to pretty much any fandom and that dynamic will be in the top ten ships
I enjoyed Enid and found her to be fun, and her relationship with Wednesday to be sweet, but Wednesday and Bianca 100% have a more interesting dynamic and I really hope it becomes more central to the show going forward
they wrote her so badly and it makes me yearn for the character she could've been; an earnest teen girl who just wants to feel like she belongs somewhere, but she's just a 70 year old man google searching "meme".
I came across your account for the first time today and I’m in love, it’s so satisfying to see a video essayist who talks about characters and themes so well!! I feel like a lot of videos about shows on UA-cam focus on the plot and never on the characters, their motivations, or how they interact within the story. You’ve got such a skill with analyzing themes and I love the way you broke down the questions for each character-it’s really interesting to look at them from that perspective because it points out what’s missing from their portrayals so clearly. Also, I love how you talk about costume design too-it can really say a lot about the characters and connect thematically to their lives!! I’m totally subbing, and can’t wait to see what you talk about next :)
One of my favorite movies is Persepolis, an autobiographical animated film. In it, a girl from Iran has to go to Europe for college because her family is scared for her life, because she's very outspoken, even to the police. But when she's in Europe, she runs into a similar problem- she's too outspoken for the people there too! I would believe that a goth girl was too much for even an outcast monster school, but the series never really reflects on that.
Apparently this was true for the original as well, but Wednesday being a mary-sue, good at everything with no weaknesses and guys salivating over her, was just annoying to me. Her lack of caring for others opinions can be a weakness in some moments, but it's largely depicted as a strength, because it’s good not to be brought down by other peoples negative opinions about you. You can't have one weakness that's also kind of an admirable strength to the teens that watch your show and expect that to make your character relatable and interesting.
Here is a question. If Wednesday inherits her power from her mother, why is Goody Addams her teacher? Wouldn't that mean that the power didn't come from her mother, but from her father's side of the family? Are they implying that Gomez took Morticia's last name or......eew. You see what happens when they don't fully explain things?
Ok, I need to argue about Enid's arc because I've probably read too much into it and her transformation makes total sense to me to happen when it does. You talked about how she could've had to overcome a huge mental block and that is, TO ME, exactly what happens in the show. Let me point out some things established in the show and show the picture that formed to me: - Enid is on all social medias and knows all the gossip; still not invited to inner circle hangouts nor does anyone try to take her attention away from Wednesday. Clearly she's the most common type of outcast: the one that is trying to be included but just isn't for being "too much"; - Is already lonely, immediately tries to get friend support from someone she barely knows and does not seem to like her; - Greatest fear is to be alone forever; - Goes to a date with a boy on a Blue Moon, gets stood up and destroys a car, surprising even herself; - Finally gets the boy she likes, powers immediately start to act up, and it is implied later this happens regularly when they get more intimate; - Only seen having friend hangouts with A Literal Disembodied Hand, no one questions or cares, for better or worse - Nearly gets killed because of Wednesday, but still wants for her to apologize so she can come back to her room, probably not feeling very welcomed by the friend she's staying at; - Transforms only after having at least one close friend, a steady boyfriend and a somewhat friend (Wednesday), only under a Blood Moon and only in the face of a potentially very dangerous situation; those are also the only ones to touch/comfort her after her transformation. To me her arc is pretty clear. She had major anxiety about not ever being able to transform, and therefore being alone; once those fears started to die down and the moon's influence was strong enough, she finally was able to do it. One of the few arcs that actually develops throughout the entire show and gets resolved in a fairly satisfying manner.
The boys are so boring. An enemies to friends to lovers storyline between Bianca and Wednesday would be so much more interesting. They have so much more chemistry!
I like yo think that Enid wolf's out because 1. She has accepted who she is and 2. Even if Wednesday isn't a great friend, she knows Wednesday cares about her in her own way.
Enid’s character arc was wrapped up by the end of the first season. I mean, talk about a bad writing choice. They should’ve set up more things about her character so we’d have something to explore in Season 2.
Remember when this was discussed a ton and was super popular? Nobody is talking about it in retrospect now lol I forgot about it until I saw this recommended.
The show’s visuals were good, but the writing was boring and felt like it didn’t want to commit to parody of shitty teen shows, so it just felt like a reskin of riverdale. :/
Enids mother offering her "conversion camp" because of her struggle to finally transform was so weird to me 😭 i didnt think it was wildly offensive or something just that the phraising was a lil odd
I always interpreted her being upset that her father murdered someone because he lied and didn’t tell her about it, didn’t truth her with the details. I never saw it as she was upset he murdered, it was that he didn’t tell her
I really dislike that this series kinda forces Wednesday to a kiss and or relationship with those guys. She is not interested in these kind of things, it really doesn't suite her character but its Netflix. For every female lead character they need to squish in a love interest...
I dislike love triangle like when I started watching it I thought It was just mystery, drama and horror because I feel like Wednesday is not type of person to love
Jenna is a good actress but omg when she said she didn't want to copy Cristina Ricci's Wednesday was so cringe to me. EVERYTHING about this new Wednesday wants to emulate Cristina's. The emotionless, the snark, that is not a 'Wednesday" thing it is a "Cristina's Wednesday" thing specifically. Another thing is that I dont know why so much people ship Wednesday and Enid. They had no chemistry even as friends! I didn:t believe their friendship at all! And now people want them to be a couple?? Like what?
i loved Jenna as Wednesday but i’m not too familiar with Christina’s version though so i can’t say much about that. and i think people just like to have fun shipping characters haha opposites attract i guess! but if it were up to me, i’d ship Wednesday on her own for now
i only like them together because they seemed to be the only ones with chemistry. and also enids words/actions is actually the only thing that affects wednesday, no one else seems to be able to do the same. but i for one was upset she had a love interest at all, enid was my second choice. also, the actors like the idea and very much have the chemistry offscreen, itd translate nicely. but itd have to be a multiple season arc. to have wednesday go from nada to prada so quickly was and is absurd
@@lizz9896 I actually thought that Wednesday did really have chemistry with Tyler, they were cute and seemed to have fun together but then he was the monster which was obvious but also a really nasty and cruel guy and that upset me so much.
@@belinda8313 I wish they had that chemistry in the show because their friendship felt so forced and sudden, and their interactions not genuine at all. I honestly felt more chemistry between Wednesday and Thing and even Tyler than Enid.
I hated the fact that Wednesday was willing to TORTURE Xavier without having cold hard evidence that he has smth to do with the Hyde. Xavier tried to help her so many times and she wanted to repay him by torturing him? i rlly hope Wednesdays character redeems itself after THAT. tho I'm pretty sure theres nothing she can do to redeem herself after that disaster of a scene. I hope Xavier moves on cuz he's too good for Wednesday
I think its so hard to write characters that enjoy the macabre, because there's so many conflicts of interest. She was disappointed that the murder was only attempted, yet didn't want to believe her father had killed someone (though one could argue she just didnt want him in prison for it, or she doesnt want him getting credit for a murder that doesnt exist). Thats just one example, but its hard to keep character motivations clear if someone likes "evil" things but is fighting against evil. It can be done, but I was confused about what exactly Wednesday wanted at any point in the show. We didn't know what to root for if her motivations arent clear
Commenting early because THANK YOU, there was always something that never really sat right with me about the series. I really wanted to love it but by the end it just left me… confused.
Modern Addams Family depictions never seem to get the dynamic of the Addams' right. The whole point of them is to be a take on average families and it's problems. They're freaks in a normal world but are incredibly tight-knit and obviously love each other. That's what makes the Addams Family appealing, the contrast of their strangeness to other 'average' people.
I wish I found your channel a year ago because I'm been watching your videos all in a row - and I REALLY wish I saw this when all the hype was going on. This is so spot on.
The reason characters die or resolve their conflicts by the end of the season was because it was originally meant to only be a single season. I wouldn't be surprised if Tim Burton has a severely reduced role in further seasons or leaves to project entirely. I'm actually hoping for a reboot or write this season off as mostly a nightmare. Especially those conclusion episodes. Maybe this season is Wednesday is ruminating, daydreaming or having a nightmare of one of Uncle Fester's old bedtime stories about a girl going to a school because her parents are now sending her to a school.
Jenna apparently tried to save it but I agree it’s was just typical kind of teenage drama but I think has potential to be better or worse all depends I still think I enjoyed it
I didnt mind Wednesday opening up to people, i hated that she had to become okay with hugs/contact. There are plenty of folks who dont like hugs/contact and have healthy relationships.
The thing is, she wasn't. She initially rejected Enid but then realized that Enid needed the hug, not her. So I saw Wednesday's hugging as a gratitude, not as a surrender. She knew this was how she could thank Enid for saving her life, but it took her a second for it to sink in. I still think she was scrutinizing the hug while it was happening as if she was trying to understand it.
Hello! I had a bunch of audio problems with this video. I tried to fix it as best I could, but apologies in advance if it sounds off in some parts !
Since Jenna will be an executive producer for S2, are you hoping they do anything differently?? I think she’s getting rid of the love triangle which I am ALL for
Thank goodness
I like Wednesday but I appreciate the video
I defend the Love Triangle for one reason and one reason only: it *DOESN'T* make sense. It reminded me of THE BIG LEBOWSKI, which is a story trying to build itself around a character who doesn't care, and who so heavily disrupts the effort by being himself that the movie eventually gives up. That's what Wednesday was to the Love Triangle: a character so heavily *uninterested* in it that she pretty much defuses the entire construct until it falls apart and becomes nothing. And she does it by basically being herself. It also yielded some great moments like the LEGALLY BLONDE reveal and the exploitation of Eugene which only made *him* more likeable. I think the show accidentally deconstructed the _Riverdale_ phenomenon by *trying* to be _Riverdale_ but by using the wrong character.
They can only get away with it this one time though. Personally, I want S2 to be Wednesday getting a summer job at a very corporate fast food place where her misanthropy and color sense really clash with the environment. Then the Nevermore drama tries to follow her there but the corporate environment disrupts *that* as well. Basically, if each season involves Wednesday in a different setting and tone where she does *not* fit in, you could really have a dynamite series that never gets old.
The points you made about Crackstone are interesting, because what happened to him was the exact same thing that happened to Belos, aka Phillip Wittebane, in "The Owl House". He was a witchhunter who hated witches and didn't stop trying to destroy them until he was destroyed. However, in order to succeed in his plan, he not only used magic but corrupted his own humanity in order to carry out his plans. In the end, he had transformed into a devilish monster, but was so deep in his delusions that he couldn't see his true nature. I could see the same thing happening to Crackstone. It's just that he wasn't as developed as Belos that it feels weird. Also, I have a possible theory that Laurel has internalized misogyny from her family, which is why she resurrects Crackstone. She believes that she needs a man's help to complete her mission. Again, though, it feels awkward because it isn't well-developed.
@@annapplegoldfinch6931 It could also be Sunk-Cost Fallacy. He's so committed that he'll see it done because it's all his life was ever about.
giving wednesday random mommy issues when a huge point of the addams family has always been emphasizing the bond she has with morticia and how close they are is. so dumb? and completely unnecessary???
i think its a way for them to pander to the demographic of girls that was their target audience,, i feel like you know exactly the kind im talking about
@@catspaghetti4515 I mean, girls having issues with their mothers in teenagehood is normal. There isn't a specific "kind" of girl that goes through it. I wouldn't even call it pandering (makes it sound like it came out of nowhere).
Yeah, the way they went about doing it in Wednesday was really weird and felt very awkward. Rather than making it seem like Wednesday despises her mother and doesn't want to be anything like her, they should have done something similar to Turning Red, where Mei-Mei loves and respects her mom, but she's starting to grow into her own person and the relationship dynamic is changing. That would have been cool to see in Wednesday with a character as outwardly emotional-less as she is. I feel like Wednesday would actually feel sad about growing apart in this way from her mother because they've always been so close.
@@joyc.e.7511They really wanted to monetize this show for young girls. And they nailed it. I see little girls wearing some Wednesday shirts way too often.
Tyler and Xavier are interested in Wednesday because she’s pretty and “not like other girls.”
yes i can see that with Xavier, but with Tyler, that just didn’t click with me. but i also didn’t feel there was much chemistry either. i’ll be interested to see where they go in S2 since they’ll be moving away from the love triangle !
also this may sound really bad but Xavier gives off “pick me” vibes, I’m so sorry
manic pixie dream girl but make her goth
@@acemyname funny cause of the conversation about the similarities between manic pixie dream girls and autistic girls, and the other conversations about headcannoning Wednesday as autistic.
@@haileys5224 true 😭
I really hope that Season 2 will do away with the unnecessary love triangle. Even Jenna has stated that Wednesday doesn't even need a love interest, she's awesome just as she is.
i'd be so happy with no love triangle. it doesn't make much sense to put her between 2 boys when she's so uninterested in love right now
She didn’t have any chemistry with the guys
I'm kinda hoping wednesday season two will stray away from the nevermore setting n focus on her and her family
As an acearo person, yes please. I'm so sick and teird of every story needing the main character get with someone.
When I 1st saw Luz, I thought she was ace, she was wearing ace colors and was a shy weirdo... nope just the 100th bi person 😤
Literally the only connon ace person in animation is Todd, and he's not aro
and then there is Sheldon Cooper he's on that ace aro spectrum but thats not Great ace rep and he's not even animated xD
@@Thebeezzkneezz. Lilith is canonically aroace in ToH btw. We also dont 100% know if Luz is ace or not just that she's bi(which doesnt mean she isnt aspec) and that her colors are very intentionally the ace colors(like how King's design uses the nb colors)
There were only a few problems I had with this show. 1. Wednesday does not need a love interest. 2. Wednesday love her family and would love for them to be accused of murder. 3. Wednesday would love that the one boy she was somewhat interested in was a psycho murdering monster and would be even impressed that he was able to fool her. 4. Pugsley would never be bullied, he is just as crazy as his sister. 5. Not enough of the family dynamic as I wanted. I love the Adam's Family movies.
I don't understand what they were going for with the show. They made Wednesday a hypocrite according to 2. and 3. They made Morticia a bitch and Gomez an idiotic husband and they destroyed the family bond.
1.) Wednesday didn't end up with anyone at the end, her crush on Tyler also didn't have that much focus on the show. 5.) I get this one. However I also see it logical that because she is independent and also a teen at this point, she would be more distant towards her parents. Them spying her, being very affectionate and sending her to their old school makes her feel like her boundries were violated, even If these things aren't bad for the most part. There could of been more screen time for the rest of the family though. I mostly agree with the rest of the points.
I agree. I had the same issue with Netflix Sabrina: the aesthetics of both shows is immaculate but they (sadly) dont keep the heart and depth of the og content.
@@r-v4429 I really don't agree with the excuse of her just being a teenager, because that's the exactly stereotype that every American family has wich is the "teenager that hates her family and can't communicate to them", the Addams goes completely against those stereotypes, for me that was just the writers not knowing what to do so get to the plot with the family so they just created a stupid bs for that, also them spying on Wednesday also feels like bs to me, because they never really needed to spy on them because they never really cared about what they are doing as long as they are having fun
@@PancakesVanilla I get that you're annoyed at the writers for making the characters act differently than they did on the Adams family. The spying is weird and Wednesday isn't a norml teen so maybe I shouldn't compare her to normal teens. Allthough, this is also a new show and can't Be compared too much to the OG.
What I'm saying is W is an independent person in general, and 'for most people,' puberty only strengthens some of the type of characteristics W has naturally anyway. But that is not an excuse for Wednesday or the writing for anything. I don't Think she is a stereotypical teen for the most Part, she fully rejects the idea of phones, social media and dating for most of the season. She also doesn't seriously hate her parents and clearly warms to them.
I still am disgusted by how they made Wednesday “hate” her mother or be mad at her for just existing, and also when her parents show affection to each other. The Addams Family was supposed to be the opposite of the common American family portrait on media, a family that actually loves each other and feels comfortable with each other.
I understand a teen maybe won't want to watch their parents kissing, but they take it to the extreme. She doesn't just dislike the PDA, she hates her parents because they exist?? It makes zero sense.
this show honestly just has the name of the addams on it. it doesn't reflect the whole point of their existance. it just isn't the addams. it could be any other random gloomy, spooky family. they took away the things that make the addams stand out. it's plainly outrageous.
@@vampiritazz That’s kind of why I never watched past the first episode. I’m sure it’s fine as a show, I like its aesthetics and it’ll probably leave a mark on a new generation similar to Series of Unfortunate Events did for mine. But it doesn’t totally have what I think makes the original IP hit different.
Honestly what took me out of the show was the fact that they pretty much put her in Hogwarts and thought it was a good idea, fuck up the werewolf design with that hair on it. Everything was good until they put that for hair on her, and instead of being different and not seeing what's wrong with it goes out of her way to be different which is already off base of the original show
That’s what I’ve been saying! Some of my family watched Wednesdays without any knowledge of the Addams Family and they liked Wednesday but i just couldn’t because they completely took away the dynamic of the og Addams family
Wednesday considering Legally Blonde as a 'horror' movie because Elle is a girly girl is just totally unrealistic. In reality she would've relate to Elle so much because they are both viewed as the 'weird' ones and are ostracized. Honestly I think it makes more sense to her to view Bambi as a horror movie because of its cutesy stuff and the only part she likes is when Bambi's mom was killed. Also Wednesday being the only goth kid at that school is so unrealistic. There has to be a bunch of Alt fashion kids in there somewhere.
You're sooo right
THANK YOU.
I disagree for one reason: the writers made all the Nevermore students conventional kids. The only thing "weird" about them was that they were cryptids. Wednesday wasn't goth as much as she was monochromatic--she doesn't wear makeup, jewelry, or fashionable clothing, nor is she melodramatic. If anything, she's more 19th Century Victorian in her normal appearance. Wednesday is not only not like them, she's actually somewhat sociopathic; Bianca even calls her a "psychopath" which is apparently unnerving to a school full of vampires and werewolves. These Outcasts are surprisingly well-adjusted for being technical monsters to the point where Wednesday, the "Normie," is considered weird.
Now, had the writers not tried to appeal to Gen Z by making all the Nevermore students behave like Gen Z kids, you'd be absolutely right. But these kids are virtually interchangeable with the Normie world they somehow can't fit in with.
* well, she WAS deeply disturbed by Disney musicals (specifically the sound of music i think??) in that one movie
@@bee7388 definitely, i think that scene is great plus there's even a scene in the movie where the family hates Pubert being blonde. They do accept him but theyre scared if Pubert will become a stereotypical blonde guy as they mention their fear when mentioning professions. As fans said, the family is about opposing the typical American family which means its anti Family Guy or whatever horrible american family shows (young sheldon) out there which is great. I also would like to mention Morticia hates pastels.
Goth doesn't mean evil, the Addams family aren't evil murderers, that's not the darkness they seek, they revel in the beauty of tragedy, the beauty of willing sacrifice, of pain and sorrow. It's about seeing the beauty of death and blood and weaponry, of poisons and bondage and melodrama, its about EMBRACING the positives of life THROUGH the negative! The show should clarify this and be consistent about it, yes Wednesday murdering pugsley is a joke as old as they are, but it's about helping pugsley find out the mystery and majesty of death. It's about subversion, that's what goths are, that's what the addams family stands for, light through darkness like the moon. Wednesday has always been the most deadpan family member and her characterization may act as such but she's not a bitch, Wednesday was never a needless bitch to everyone, she only fucked with people who challenged her, and mostly respects although without extreme empathy, the average humans feelings and priorities. Wednesday was never the girl in this show, which is why I can't stand it. Tim Burton just completely missed the point of Addams family in favor of his typical exact flavor of filmmaking, so disappointing. Yes the show is about her feelings but it's done so cringely from what I've seen
as a goth i love this although i think most people think of the 90s movies where they straight up talk about murdering ppl & the kids try to kill the baby & etc
yes, but to be honest wednesday addams is canonically bloodthirsty and macabre* to a point of being pretty cool with torture and murder
*accurate both to christina ricci's and lisa loring's portrayals (and, deep cut, krysta rodriguez's) of the character
lisa loring's wednesday's favorite doll was a headless marie antoinette, she was super into beheadings. maybe it was just class praxis though lol
that but they r murderers lol
I don't think Enid's point was to be funny, if anything she nailed the cringy teenage girl thing she had going on and how that contrasts with Wednesday who's gloomy and effortlessly funny because of her deadpan delivery. But yeah, I can see how Enid's writing needs to be improved, they definitely could've done her better.
yes, i guess i felt that instead of coming off as an authentic teenage girl, it (sometimes) felt like an adult's version (as in, whoever wrote her lines) of what a teenage girl should be. i do hope her character improves in S2 because i do love how she contrasts Wednesday!
She felt super Netflix original written by a super old dude who's never interacted with a girl in his life. But she does have potential if she has a better writer behind her
@@tomatosoup1304 i mean she’s supposed to be super cringe so 🤷🏽♀️
@Astranova not enough layers of clashy clothing XD
How exactly is Wednesday "effortlessly funny" though? She's just needlessly rude and a bitch to everyone around her. Sure, let her have her snarky remarks every once in a while but only spouting snarky one-liners? Kinda grating after a while. For as cringy as she might have been, I enjoyed Enid's presence far more than I enjoyed our supposed title heroine.
Honestly the whole show I was just frustrated how people would constantly say to Wednesday “YOU KNOW IF YOU KEEP BEING MEAN NO ONE WILL WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU, YOU BAD FRIEND”
like... that’s the whole point. she didn’t want to be friends with you, so she was purposely mean and didn’t hold back. just because you were nice to her doesn’t make you friends.
I’m sorry, but Wednesday’s original character would never act the way she did in this show.
Also everyone was mad at her because she nearly got them killed and is a jerk to everyone for no reason.
Totally agree.
Love how Wednesday is supposed to be the smart girl in the story but she accuses literally everyone until she finally gets the culprit
I lowkey hated that part of her character
And she never showed remorse for them, she send Xavier to prison and she had no respect for Dr Kimbot (I didn’t like her but you would think Wednesday would have felt even a little bit of guilt after finding out) and she had the audacity to ask Xavier for help while he was still in jail
It would have made more sense if maybe she would have been too focused on a target and not seeing outside clues cuz she was so sure of herself
the first “reveal” i was like WOAH THAT MAKES SENSE. then it happened three more times and it was getting predictable and boring. and im usually the one who never seems anything coming!
i think enid's character has a LOT of potential but im not sure i trust these show writers to recognize that. i think there would be something very interesting about portraying her insecurities better - because when you think about it, this girl (who has some nasty mommy issues, has one hell of a coward as a father, is afraid of rejection, in more than one occasion is shown going through rage outbursts, and uses gossip to get in people's head, like she did with lucas) could very much be a deep well of anger hiding behind a happy sunshine live laugh love front and thats so interesting?? i think they show that sometimes, but definitely dont delve into it. anyways, the writing with this show pisses me off we could have had it all
this is so good! having her sunshine & rainbows self as a sort of defense mechanism would make her character more dynamic. a little extra depth would have sold me on her character so much more
Why do I feel like If the show writers did this they would turn It into some sort of thing proving goth girls like Wednesday are better because sunshine rainbow girls are like not actually happy and themselves or whatever, same vibes as those stupid girls vs boys things 💀💀
this is really late but wtv. I think it would be coolif they showed more of her anger/gaslighting side, to show that she really is kind of like Wednesday in a sense but hides behind a wall, and she goes about it in a more secretive way. I think her and Wednesday would be a great pair in trying to find stuff out about people by Wednesdays smartness, and Enids access to all sorts of info from other people (aka connections)
What I don't like is that Wednesday is too much of an "I'm not like other girls" girl came to life... Like her only defining feature is not being the same as everyone else, existing in a fantasy where no other goth/punk/emo/alternative dressing people exist.
Literally 75% of the show dialogue is just Wednesday over sharing to literal strangers about how edgy she is
@@cvltclassic893 Also, in a school of urban fantasy monsters, Wednesday is still the only person with an interest in dark, gloomy and goth aesthetic.
That's the angle they should have gone with. Wednesday, being uncomfortable that She's with her people.
@@federerlkonig330 It also takes place in modern time, so Wednesday wouldn’t be the only goth there.
Also, why did everyone consider her a freak and dangerous when she’s not even a monster? Realistically, they’ll just think she’s edgy. I think Enid thought that she was just edgy.
@@t1mburt0nsdandruff yeah, and when there is the "blood rain" scene, she is the only one calm and having fun. Pure edginess.
Even though the show has its issues, Jenna isn't one of them. She is a perfect fit for Wednesday, and really shines.
Jenna saved the show for me. I loved her so much and the fact that she is an Executive Producer for S2 gives me hope!
she truly carried, even with the script writing
@@isa-belva I love that she called out the scripts as BS and she had to fix them, and when Netflix tried to drag her for it, the audience basically told them to get bent.
@@Theomite Loved the first season. Looking forward to the second.
@@artatmidnight I for one really enjoyed the first season. Sure, I had my issues with it, such as the finale feeling somewhat rushed & underwhelming, plus Wednesday's battle with Crackstone was too short with her taking Crackstone out way too easily& then there's the issue with Crackstone, himself feeling more like a one note villain out of a Scooby Doo episode, rather than a serious threat, the way Tyler & Laurel were. Plus, the special effects are in need of an overhaul. But other than that, the show & characters have been a delight. I also love the shows' unique blending of campiness with the gothic horror & its' handling of themes such as prejudice, whitewashing history, children paying for the sins of their parents & how those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I loved the flashback scenes with Goody Adams, plus Wednesday's iconic dance. I also love how Wednesday opens up to people & grows throughout the season learning how to trust & care for other people outside of her family. I also loved the mystery aspect of the show which kept you guessing. I hated the love triangle as it felt forced. Ironically, Jenna Ortega has said that they will move away from love triangles & romance as well as a tonal shift next season to grittier & darker as season 2 will be a straight up horror movie. Although, I would like to see a romance blossom between Enid & Wednesday. I would love to see them do something in the vein of "The Omen" or "The Exorcist." Or perhaps "The Temple of Doom." Also, a highlight for me this season was Thing nearly dying & Wednesday breaking down in tears over it. Or Tyler showing her "Legally Blond & the horrified look on her face as she watches it cracks me up every time. That is the kind of reaction you'd get from Wednesday if she watched something cute & cuddly. Pure comedy gold! The good far outweighs the bad here. So much potential waiting to be unlocked. Personally, I can't wait. What about you? What would you like to see for season 2?
I was honestly kind of hoping Enid wouldn't wolf out for a while or ever. It didn't feel earned, it just came out of nowhere. Maybe she could be more of an outcast from the werewolves, or find out that there's more to pleasing her mother. Maybe she'll find someone that accepts her.
YES.
Bianca was my favorite character. Of course she came off as mean at the very start, but then you see her struggling with herself and things out of her control, and the best part is that later on she shows that she's willing to work towards good things, and she has morals. The actress chosen was also beautiful.
No srsly. She’s so pretty. I love her character design soo much.
Agreed, I would die for Bianca
As an Addams family movies aficionado, the worst parts of the show for me were the dynamics between Wednesday and her family, especially her mom, the portrayal of Pugsley and how cringe Gomez was. I always got the notion that movie Wednesday loved and admired her parents and their very affectionate relationship, to the point where her and Glicker mimicked their expressions and demonstrations of love during that camp breakout scene. Regarding Pugsley, he wasn’t a wimp that needed his sister’s constant protection. If anything, I’ve always considered Pugsley the more dangerous one because he seems so innocent and cute but he does sinister things, like remove a stop sign that leads to major accidents and possible death, all with an adorable and proud smile on his face. Now to the most heinous crime committed by this show: the cringe I felt every time Gomez was on the screen *shudder*. In a show that took itself a bit too seriously, Gomez was protrayed like such a goofy simp with absolutely no charm and I just couldn’t stand it. The connection between him and Morticia felt more like a puppy following its master with its tongue out rather than mutual adoration and love. I get they were trying for something different but they ruined what was my favorite part of what made the Addams family so iconic: the genuine love and devotion within a family unit while accepting each other’s qualities, flaws and kookiness.
LITTERALY, also like Gomez is this genius and a talented fencer who would murder people for fun and plot schemes.
They made his character a pathetic simp that could barely fight and relied on his wife like this was not the same man 💀
they literally should have made him more mobster-y like how he was in the movies. It just makes his character so loveable. The way they did him so dirty made me cry
Well, YOU try to find someone as good as Raul Julia in this day and age. I don't even think Javier Bardem could have pulled it off and I love me some Javier Bardem. Also, Pugsley was dangerous in indirect ways: removing a stop sign isn't the same as as firing a crossbow or wielding a shovel. Wednesday was more likely to kill someone with her bare hands while Pugsley was more likely to kill someone by leaving thumbtacks on an intersection overlooking a cliff.
A good story for Enid would be that she could only transform into stressful situations for her or excessive anger (much tougher scenarios than in the first season), a matter that due to her cheerful personality would make her uncomfortable but would help her learn to accept all her emotions beyond of being "good" or "bad" creating another contrast with Wednesday who prefers not to feel.
Sorry, it's not my first language.
Yes, that spunds cool! I love her bc I see some parts of her in myself (also from wednesday) and I‘d like to see her transform from a „have to feel good“ to the optimism that takes everything, the good and the bad as you said!
It's the Tim Burton effects nobody ever notices his characters are basic as hell
bro pours his soul into one character (wednesday) and passes out
@@mugibugi7669 that wasn't even Wednesday is an alerdy established character all he did was make her more emotional and give 2 love interest that no one asked for
@@randomgeekcrap i tried to give him some credit but those credits aint even belong to him wtf lmao. Ok im being unfair i like how he created enid to contrast wednesday though
@@mugibugi7669 I would say he puts all of his passion into the setting and premise then relies on actors to make the characters interesting. This is why he does really well with Helena and Depp. Or Michael Keaton.
yeah tim seems to be much more about the the world building and vibes. his characters aren’t very dimensional but he puts so much effort into these settings & worlds that are so magical parred with simple (and i mean simple in a positive way) stories. that seems to be his biggest strength.
Tyler was annoying for pursuing Wednesday when she didn't reciprocated. He kept trying to make her the bad guy for "giving him mixed signals" which she never did. She's supposed to be "taking advantage of him" by asking him to help her, or being friendly, but I just interpreted it as that; asking a friend for help. And she only goes on a date with him after he says that she's giving him mixed messages. He might have tried to gain her trust and feelings just to make her less suspicious of him, or because he wanted to break her heart, but I think they tried to make it seem like Wednesday needed to learn a lesson for ignoring his feelings, but he was just gaslighting and guilting her into reciprocating the whole time.
👏👏👏 agreed!
Every time Tyler was on screen i rolled my eyes. I hate those kind of guys sm 😭
Thank you!!! Justice for Bianca’s storyline & fashion lol
yes!! 🙌
All I would like to add is that the idea of making Crackstone a wizard is not as stupid as you might think. Because it makes him a grade-a hypocrite! Like saying ‘Rules for thee but not for mee’.
hmmm that's true! perhaps that was the point they were trying to make. though it still came a bit out of nowhere for me 😅
Thank you, I didn't like the show a lot but this is a point of contention I never really understood. Crackstone gaining powers works because his discrimination is based on the fact that there are other beings more powerful than him, which cannot coincide with his worldview. Most discrimination isn't based on a moral or idealistic standoint but is in fact, rooted in a desperate need to maintain a power structure you believe is fair since it benefits you, so Crackstone being a super powerful undead wizard whose sole purpose is to kill every other magical being functions as a perfect demonstration of how hatred and bigotry isn't birthed from any sort of logic or value but instead an irrational necessity to maintain your own priviledge.
@@dolardo-sama 👏👏👏 well said!
Wednesday wouldn't need to come for Pugsley's revenge or rescue, Pugsley is just as crazy as her.
ive always thought Pugsley is several times more terrifying than Wednesday.
Everything he does, he does it with a smile. You can atleast tell that Wednesday has a sadistic nature but for Pugsley, he looks and acts like a normal kid. People tend to discredit him but hes done worse things than Wednesday
@@shnxldff True! This series makes him look like he just has emotions and/or “inferior” to Wednesday. In the movies, yes he shows emotions (ie. scared of being replaced as the only son) but he has done more horrible things to make up for it.
aside from the characters i just found the entire setting of Wednesday to be boring. it’s supposed to be a school for outcasts but wednesday doesn’t even fit in there, we have enough supernatural school narratives, it’d be so much more fun story wise and visually. one of my favorite scenes is the opening where she dumps the piranhas in the pool. the contrast between her and her environment is so nice and it would’ve been fun to see her fight this old colonizer but also needing to deal with the “regular” people around her
the hugging thing bothered me a lot too. Enid is supposed to be such an amazing friend yet she’s always trying push Wednesday’s boundaries. i feel like they should’ve have added Enid hugging Wednesday at the end before Wednesday gave permission. just to show that Enid had grown to respect Wednesday’s boundaries. it was just weird to me, i think physical touch boundaries isn’t something people should compromise on
That is something that bothered me too. Why does she have to be lovey dovey to people? That's not who she is and it's not something she's comfortable with. Everyone constantly being mad at her distance when she clearly states her boundaries and never pretends to like anyone she doesn't like, is crazy.
I think Enid reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally needs validation from others through reciprocation in order to quell her insecurities. Remember, the source of her inner turmoil is her mother's bigotry and her father's loving but impotent support. She's likely been dealing with this for many years and so the conflict is likely starting to boil over. Wednesday's "acceptance" of her affection might be something she "needs" as a personally-imposed mission statement: if her roomie can't accept her, how can her parents?
She clearly understood that she wasn’t a hugger when she first met her. When Wednesday backed up every time she tried to hug her, Enid stops and says “oh, yeah, sorry.” She understood that she wasn’t a hugger, she just forgot.
Wednesday treated her horribly because she was colorful, and put her in danger several times along with everyone else. Sure, Enid’s not a pure Angel, but she did care about her to move back in after Wednesday nearly got killed.
I feel that I might've been the only person who wasn’t necessarily against the idea of the love triangle in Wednesday; in fact, I was actually quite fond of the idea. The Addams Family is all about parody, and I was ready to see that similar satirical lens taken to teen drama tropes. Plus, it wouldn’t be the first time Wednesday had a love interest: my man Joel Glicker, token Jewish serial killer fanboy, and his relationship with Wednesday in the Addams Family Values movie was very entertaining. The difference is that not only did Joel have a character, but he lends himself well the comedy of the movie. Joel and Wednesday’s relationship was a parody of summer camp romance plotlines and that concept to delivered a very charming and silly dynamic that had its own open ending as well.
I think that’s part of the problem with Wednesday; it takes itself and the tropes it’s engaging with too seriously. The Addams are such a memorable and fun cast of characters because they are intrinsically absurd in their concept: a parody/inversion of the ideal suburban family who thinks everyone around them is weird while they're actually the weird ones. When you remove that silly subversive aspect from them, you remove their core. How fun would this series have been is it (no pun intended) lightened up a bit? If everything wasn’t played so straight, but instead these tropes were used effectively for parody? For example, here’s a suggestion to no in particular that I came up with. What if Wednesday’s interest in Tyler was because she was using him in her teenage rebellion phase? Wednesday doesn’t want to end up like her parents, so maybe she uses her relationship with Tyler as means of rejecting that. In reflection of the girls who date bad boys to get back at their parents’ trope, the comedic subversion is hooking up with Tyler and his boring good boy act and it falls apart because Tyler is actually the exact type of guy that'd fit in with the Addams, an outcast who revels in the joy of making the world just a little worse than where they left it. Maybe her disgust at Tyler killing people isn’t the act per say, but the fact that he’s now boring to her because he likes killing people and he’s just like other boys now, ugh. Like that’s kind of funny, it ties into Wednesday’s teenage angst in regards to her family, and it shows she’s not actually ready for a romance if she perceives it so childishly while keeping the betrayal element intact. Xavier, in comparison, would be the obvious choice for “Addams family candidate”; a tortured artist of a childhood friend who engages in slightly creepy gestures of love like painting her image in his worn-out art shed. He even has psychic abilities like the Addams women do in this show! And it’d work because in the eyes of the audience Xavier clearly supposed to be the Veronica to Tyler's Betty in the beginning (though this is inverted later on) but to Wednesday it would be flipped because Tyler would be the outsider and the "unsafe option" and Xavier wouldn’t be. It's so weird that Xavier and Tyler aren't really foils of one another when that is a staple in love triangle plots. I feel like if you swapped their roles, they wouldn't have very different dialogue. Why don’t you make that contrast more pronounced? It doesn't help that they're not very visually distinguishable from one another like Enid and Wednesday are. Hell, Tyler’s more of a foil to Enid that his actual competition, which is probably why people are more inclined to see Enid as a romantic option for Wednesday than the boys she's actually supposed to have romantic chemistry with. It's kind of unfortunate. Like regardless of how one feels about love triangles, I think we could've had something fun. Anyway, sorry for this super long comment lol. I care a lot about Addams family as you can tell.
just replied to let u know that was great lol
Thats such a great idea. Like have Morticia and Gomez act horrofied when Wednesday introduces a boy who is *gasps*, a barrista.
@@williamtimonen6814 Thank you for the compliment, but yeah could you imagine? "So what does this...Tyler do, sweetheart? Funeral clerk, assistant grave digger, taxidermy apprentice?"
"He works at a coffee shop. His pumpkin spice latte skills are...adequate." "...Oh! I see. Well, some people have to work jobs that may not be the best for them. Not everyone can be as fortunate as us. Does he plan to...go to school?" "Yes actually. (Cue look of horror from the family) His father's sheriff. The plan is him going into law someday." "...Gomez, Bubeleh, can we talk in private for a minute?"
I get and understand especially I worked on the addams family musical we’re one of the main plots was wensday getting together with a guy
@@wins2677 Oh shoot, I completely forgot about the musical (always forgot to watch it). The 2009 one, right? That's amazing you got to work on it, and yeah that's another one with an aged up Wednesday to boot.
I am so so happy this video was made. These were EXACTLY my thoughts when the show came out. I felt like I was actually going crazy because I thought the show was average!! I did enjoy the watch, but the characters needed soooo much work (except Wednesday lol)
thank you Emma! I had fun watching it too, but just couldn't shake the things that didn't make sense to me. I'll still be curious about S2 though because I loved Jenna as Wednesday - she's def the best part! 🖤
So true, it wasn't anywhere near the best Netflix shows but maybe the standard has dropped so far a solidly mid show seems outstanding to people.
To be fair I've only seen 4 episodes and all of those episodes were very average
Finally someone who speaks sense! I am an Addams Family and Tim Burton fan and I was so disappointed by this show. It was like it had no idea what it wanted to be.
Finally someone who said it. Its also so clear how it was a cashgrab, people don’t know but studios will closely watch each other to see what they bring out. Wednesday was a reply on a monsterhigh remake by a different studio. They just placed the Adems Family in there so the story would have some love to stand on. And its so clear to see, it couldve been any other character doing the exact same things.
The way Wednesday’s like for torture and gore and murder is ignored after the first episode never made sense to me
I wish Bianca had also been goth/alt. It would have been an interesting foil for Wednesday to have to contend with her outcast status being based on something a little less superficial than ‘she wears black and likes creepy things’.
How cute would it have been though if Wednesday’s “acceptable” form of affection (instead of hugs) became her mother’s little air-kisses? No full-contact, as that seemed like such a jump, but an acknowledgement of intimacy and an acceptance of her mother’s traits which she had previous rebelled against
Can we PLEASE talk about how beautiful and amazing the blue/teal? dress that Bianca is wearing??? WOW the actress looks absolutely amazing!! I haven’t watched the show, I’m not a of modernized takes on classics that don’t need the addition to their franchises so I don’t know the actresses name BUT- she’s absolutely GORGEOUS. The stylist team snapped with her😍😍
her name is Joy Sunday!
the actress is stunning
@@shanicek5188She’s really pretty, and probably a great person but that is a name i would’ve given my barbie when i was 8
and her BACKK. like it’s so weird to say but her back is so toned and she just looked amazing in the dress
The one thing that has always bugged me about the whole piranha scene is that it is so very wrong. Contrary to Hollywood movies, piranhas don't even like humans who they perceive as predators and do not even like human flesh. They would only eat human flesh if there was no other option. They like plants, mollusks, worms and insects. On occasion they may ambush a small animal like capybara or a snake. So, the piranhas in the opening sequence would not have gone after the swimmers. Not only because they do no like human flesh but because the chlorine in the pool would have killed them within minutes. They would not have been able to mount an attack because the chlorine would enter their gills and put them in a stupor as the chlorine poisons their blood. I would have thought Wednesday, with her intelligence and blood lust, would know this.
I really wanted more of the Nevermore students.
That Yoko girl looked so interesting.
Omg yes, they need to become more of the focus in season 2
Tyler was only fun when he showed his true self. I like him as the psychotic killer who doesn't care about anyone. If used properly, this could be used as a mirror to what Wednesday could become if she doesn't open up, but I doubt this show can handle that kind of maturity.
Wednesday being romantically involved with someone like Tyler or Xavier just doesn’t make sense. They’re clearly trying to do the cliché trope of the emotionless falling for the emotional, if that makes sense. it just doesn’t work for / with Wednesday b/c of who her character is as a person.
Why is it always the case that in every teenage love triangle the two main boys have collectively less charisma and personality than a piecie of dry bread. And at the end of the day it turns out that the heroine has more chemistry with one of her female friends lmao
Honestly I'd rather see Enid and Wednesday together instead of those 2 boys.
I felt the opposite. I thought Tyler with his mom issues, going to therapy yet still being traumatized as a Hyde, his dad, he was the interesting character. Where Xavier came off as a huge incel. Both of them did at times, "Why aren't you acknowledging my feelings for you?!?". Tyler admitting he enjoyed killing, I am hoping this is a true Jekyll / Hyde scenario for Tyler. Where Xavier, I hope he fades into the background.
Weems was the best, loved every scene she's in, and they really screwed up killing her off. Making a character with a body count (or cover them up) lends to having the character die at the end of the story, like the mayor, but the character on paper and the actor portraying them can become 2 different people, much like Snape.
You have put my thoughts into words. Thank you. Xavier was way too pushy and entitled to Wednesday's attention and affection. I get that he was jealous but he didn't make himself appealing.
they couldn't afford gwendoline christie for another season i guess
The actor that plays Xavier is a creep. Look it up, he was inappropriate with jenna ortega
looks like Xavier won’t be coming back after all
Thank you! People keep repeating that Tyler was bad, that he didn't mean anything he did and said and it just makes me think they don't know what they're talking about in the slightest and don't know the Dr. Jekyll and Hyde story at all.
I think instead of a love triangle they shouldve had tyler be a friend that wednesday comes to trust who turns out to be the monster, and have xavier pursue her like he does and have wednesday continously reject him because i felt like he treated wednesday more like a fantasy of this not like other girls character he had in his head, rather than as her own person and this wouldve been an interesting thing for wednesday to have deal with. I dont think that the writers wrote xavier like that on purpose but if they had it wouldve been better because then over the course of the season we couldve have growth from xavier giving him an interesting storyline and comedic moments where wednesday repeatedly brutally rejects him with a stone cold face or set traps for him when he tries to approach her room or other places she hangs out. It also gives him a reason to be there so he can help wednesday solve the mystery without having a love triangle that wednesday addams would never participate in.
the show did the OG Addams family so dirty😭😭😭
wednesday makes my blood boil like a soup pot in hell because i dont think either timmy, netflix or someone in the writers room understood the source material at all
everything about this comment is gold omg
No talks about Bianca! She ep underrated and I love her
She and Eugene were my favorites.
She didn't solve either of the mysteries. The murder of Garet was just unvailed by her mother and the Crackstone case was unvailed after she had falsely imprisone someone and there was no one left as a suspect. She kinda failed both cases.
It’s so funny how no one gets Tyler’s character right. “He’s simply evil”… his whole lore is based on the Jekyll and Hyde which explores the human duality. Aside from Wednesday, he’s the most interesting character for me.
I wonder if the intentions of this was the most mainstream take, Jekyll being good and Hyde evil or if they stuck to the original intentions as Jekyll being the good front and Hyde acting as a disguise for him to do all the evil things he repressed himself from doing. That would change how people perceive Tyler’s character if he had no control versus if he did have control. But either way- he was abused and groomed into that state of mind so- does it even matter? He’s a victim either way. I agree with you he’s a super interesting character!
The acting was so bad
@@juanaabadiebottcher5508 idk why everyone is going crazy over Jenny Ortega. She's beautiful, but this role is not that demanding. Christina Ricci pulled it off better as a child.
@@Ashakat42 and she was the most decent, at least among the younger crew
@@Ashakat42 I never watched the movie so all I know is that Jenna’s Wednesday makes me laugh
Before I watch fully I'd just like to say I've had the same thoughts I feel like the show was kinda bland (specifically Wednesday herself) they sucked the joy out her character from the other iterations and uninspired I can't wait to see ur thoughts on the show
I hope you enjoy! I thought this show was a fun, light watch, but has the potential to be a lot more. I thought Jenna did a great job as Wednesday with what she was given though 🖤
@@artatmidnight yeah I understand for me personally it had a bit of a weak start and the ending could've been better handled but over all I did have a bit of fun so it wasn't rlly bad!
Addressing your point at 45:07- I think Enid rejected her mom’s offers for the camps because she wants to release her wolf on her own terms, instead of her family forcing her to do it when she’s not emotionally ready.
yes, I do think that's part of it! but this is also what confused me. is wolfing out something you choose to do? because she says she'll do it when she's ready, and yet when she finally does, it was involuntary. i guess i think she should've had a say in when the transformation happened for it to make sense. or maybe i just misinterpreted the process 😅
@@artatmidnight
It likely happens involuntarily when the body and mind is ready. Enid was in a dangerouse situation where someone she cared about could be hurt. Her body was likely ready to wolf out because of the adrenaline and her mind because of her desperation to protect Wednesday like how some people can lift extremely heavy stuff in dangerous situations especially when their children are involved.
Why wouldn’t they have sent her to nevermore from the start? Why doesn’t pugsly also go?
honestly, in the old adaptations of the Addams family Wednesday was still young, now she's a teenager, so it makes sense for her to get more in touch with emotions like every teenager does. The love triangle was not necessary but she is able to feel love and friendship and hurt, just at a different capacity than others. Its not like her family has a history of no emotion and no love so it does makes sense that she has the slightest amount of it looking at a standpoint that she's a teen now going through very different things.
i wish bianca and wednesday were a more popular ship because I feel like they have more chemistry and a more interesting dynamic than enid and wednesday
me too...
haven't heard that one yet-but yea that would be a super interesting dynamic :0
Why y’all gotta ship everything 😂
@@alarrim29574 life is better this way 😈
@@s0ur.lem0ns40 im reading a wednesday/enid/bianca, it is cute 🥰
I wish Bianca’s eyes were more of a normal, beautiful brown shade that still stands out without looking abnormal. She’s a fav character of mine other than Wednesday so I’m hoping next season they flush her out even better and add more dynamics to her character.
I LOVED Tyler. I feel the ending should've been more open-ended, making him a mixed character, because i would LOVE for that to be explored. And his romantic/sexual(???) abuse from Thornhill was completely overlooked, and really heartbreaking. He had the awkward charm of a teenager, but was upbeat enough so Wednesday and him kind of fit strangely together. Even though i agree with Jenna saying Wednesday shouldn't have love interests at all, Xavier was SO BLAND of a character to the point his writing infuriated me. The onscreen chemistry is nonexistent, and I am kinda appalled that he forgave Wednesday after she attempted to brutally torture him. It's some real Y/N shit. My admiration of him might also be because we both have daddy issues lol.
One problem with Enid's character has to do with how conversion therapy works in real life compared to how it works in the show. In real life, conversion therapy is a screwed up thing that doesn't work and traumatizes the children involved. In the show, it actually makes sense(assuming that the methods used are not traumatic and do work). It's closer to that of medical intervention rather than discrimination. In essence, they compared her disability to queerness, which is not accurate(And very queerphobic, but that's a whole other conversation).
You did bring this up, but I just wanted to talk about it a little more.
Honestly I was a little bummed that she would be staying in a school away from her family. We know she cares about her family obviously, but it would’ve been so nice if her first willingness to give someone a hug would’ve been puglsy or gomez. Maybe not mortica if they want them to have a more gradual build up to it since Wednesday has that animosity towards her but I’d just like her to interact with them more. The 90’s movies didn’t really go TOO in depth with their relationships to each other so considering how well written Wednesday herself is, I hope we see more of her feelings with her dad & pugsly next season
this show was exactly like the first burton alice in wonderland..bland, unimaginative, with cardboard characters and a finally that makes you go : "does this dude know the source material? wtf is that fight?"
I agree, and I really think that the premise was interesting and it along with Wednesday was what kept the viewer watching. So I think if they flesh out the characters more for s2 it could really be great
When I first watched Wednesday I initially thought it's obviously made for kids. Youknow just your typical disneychannel/ nickelodeon kind of quirky jokes where you just stare with a blank face. (I thought: the only thing missing now are soundbites of people laughing and clapping)
I honestly considered not to continue but I did anyway and I'm pleasantly surprised it didn't turn out to be a kids show, thanks to Jenna. If it wasn't for her, it would've been and it probably would've been unwatchable.
I am absolutely adoring these long character and plot indepth look videos!!
What would be REALLY cool, is that they wrote Wednesday as asexual! It would make sense for her character.
I see her as aro/ace because ace people still feel romantic attraction.
Eh, idk. Her mother is very affectionate towards her father and vise versa, I'm pretty sure she'd inherit a strong form of affection in her own way soon
@@X0.LA_BRAVA.X0 I see her still showing affection just not romanctic
@@katelynw5215 That's my point. Ain't no way she wouldnt inherit the sheer amount of affection her mother and father have
@@X0.LA_BRAVA.X0 affection and love don't have to be romantic though
The main problem is that the bad guy is extremely obvious from chapter one.
When I watched the series, I didn’t think (and still don’t think) that she was mad because her dad killed someone, she was mad because they didn’t tell her. And even when they did, it wasn’t the full story. At least that’s what I got from the series, but I could be totally wrong tho
that makes sense, i just wish they made it a bit more clear if that was the case. we know wednesday in this series to be direct and brutally honest, so I would think she would make it more clear why she had a problem with it. (I could be wrong, it's been a while since i watched the series)
Honestly the show isn’t silly and weird enough for me to get invested in, it’s just doesn’t have the vibes of the adam’s family that I fell in love with (also it’s too straight lol)
Phenomenal video! I especially agreed with Enid’s “Wolf Out” and how she either should’ve transformed halfway or not at all. Thus solidifying the message that Enid doesn’t need to change and can be a hero, exactly as she is. Less of a spectacle, more logic!
I will say, I would have loved more screentime with the families (mainly Addams versus Sinclairs versus Barclays). Imagine if the show had explored different family dynamics and advantageously used the Addams as the most functional family model (i.e. loving, communicative, supportive)-alike the source material-since the beginning? Over the course of the season(s), the Addams would have been juxtaposed with everyone else’s dysfunctional families. Wednesday could’ve learned to better interact with all kinds of people, and characters like Enid and Bianca could’ve been exposed to parents who are accepting and nurturing (as a result of getting to know Wednesday).
Wednesday slowlyyyy (like, crawling through spider webs at a snail’s pace slow) learning to connect more with people AND indirectly sharing her iconic support system with everyone else. I think it would’ve been bloody engaging! Overall, still looking forward to S2.
I so love this idea! balancing others experiencing a healthy support system from Wednesday's family and Wednesday learning healthy social/empathy skills from others is such a great through line. you could definitely work that through multiple seasons, especially if Wednesday's growth is slow (which I would prefer too!). here's to hoping we get some of those elements in S2 🖤
the way Enid said "you're sending me to conversion therapy for werewolves??" and then proceeded to "wolf out" a few episodes later... what exactly is the message the writers are sending here? that the hero has to change (or worse, converted) to actually help people?? They try to use a really questionable analogy that sends a more negative message than a positive one in the end.
the statement at the beginning about not having seen the original source material is really interesting considering how important it is in the context of this show
Original material is irrelevant in the context of the this show. In this show Morticia is a bitch, Wednesday hates her mother and is a hypocrite, they both have super powers and Joel is retconned out of existence. Gomes is cringe and not suave, Pugsly is pathetic and not awesome.
i would argue that this show actually works better without the context of the source material since it's so far removed from it in the first place. a lot of people familiar with the comics or 60s show or 90s movies were even more disappointed by netflix's adaptation
I absolutely cannot stand this show. Wednesday took out all of the heart and zaniness of the original Addams Family. She is just a super stuck up and selfish character that never has to deal with the consequences of her actions. The faux motger/daughter teenage drama was just silly. Morticia was never the kind of mother that they portrayed here. Basically everything we have known about this family was thrown out the window to set up this husk of a character. I thought Bianca was a better and more sympathetic protagonist that the title named character. I used to love Tim Burton, sadly now his creative spark is only good for aesthetics. Though there was one really good character and that was Eugene. Maybe they can make a Eugene and Bianca show!
While Wednesday Season One had issues, I overall enjoyed it and I’m excited to see Season Two and further the development of Wednesday and the rest of the characters.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion about the characters being bland, most of the characters have layers we see over the course of Season One.
Writers said Wednesday and Enid hugging was a huge step of emotional journey for Wednesday. They’re opposite but they work, Enid admits she has flaws but they’re part of her.
Bianca has depth, how she tries to escape her mother and be her own person. Contrast Bianca’s relationship with her mother and Wednesday’s relationship with Morticia.
By the end with the reveal of Tyler added more to his character. Hunter said Tyler was gaslighting Wednesday about “signals” and was manipulating her. That date was so Laurel can steal the diary. I look forward to seeing Tyler’s development now it’s out in the open.
I think Xavier is interested in Wednesday because she’s not interested in romance. I don’t think him forgiving her is forced. First time there was a time gap and second time she took an arrow for him.
Granted, I think Wednesday and Xavier are better as friends. Like Jenna said, not everyone ends up with their crushes and are better as friends.
I didn’t mind the potential romance between Wednesday and Tyler as it made the reveal more impactful and made sense that Tyler was manipulating Wednesday.
I didn’t like the love triangle, that was too much.
Season One has found it’s feet and established and developed the characters. Season Two can continue to expand on that. Jenna said she and the writers want to focus more on horror aspects and move away from romance while allowing Wednesday to be her own individual, which I’m glad about.
Wednesday as a series has great potential and from what Jenna said, they’re going to capitalise on that. Writers have plans for at least four seasons, much to look forward to.
thanks for this comment Jordan! I can definitely agree with some of your points - like Bianca having depth and Xavier being better as a friend. Even though I may have some issues with the show, I genuinely had fun watching it so I will be looking forward to see what they do in S2!
@@artatmidnight my pleasure! Yeah, Wednesday Season One is very enjoyable and now they’ve found their feet, I think Season Two will be even better!
omg yesss !! i wished bianca got sm more screen time bc she was one of the characters i was invested in. i’m also looking forward to her story in s2
I really liked the show and Jenna Ortega was brilliant and I love Enid and Wednesday's friendship was what had me hooked. The hug was a huge development that was so well done in terms of character development but that's just my opinion. I love your videos and I love you've stated your opinion but you weren't a toxic troll. Brilliant work, hunny! ❤
Thank you so much! I try to be balanced 🖤 even though I may have some issues with it, I still had fun watching it and I'll be interested to see how they approach S2!
i agree! Enid literally was seconds away from death and you can see it all over her face. the first thing she asks for is Wednesday, i feel like a hug is very much granted at that point and this is coming from someone who hates all of that shazaz
not to mention it shows a clear distinction between liking someone and not. honestly that kiss with tyler felt more like an experiment and xavier has saved her life before and we all knw what he gained from that
@@artatmidnight Of course! I love your content! You're awesome 💜💜💜
The one thing I didn't like about Enid and Wednesday's friendship was that Wednesday constantly put Enid in dangerous situations (which could have gotten her killed )without thinking of her safety. Like in that episode where they went into that abandoned house and got attacked by the monster. I feel like sometimes Enid was just a means to an end. Enid moved out of their room because Wednesday is toxic but then she moved back in the next episode for no reason. Wednesday never changed, never apologized but apparently they just 'fit together ' and now they are bffs. I found that kinda weird
Something I hated is that they litteraly killed people and torture people. This show has a contradicting moral thing going on and made no sense
Goodie role confused me so much, especially since her mother warned her that she is dangerous, and yet she wasnt.
Unless this is a plot twist, where goodie wanted to combine with Wednesday, maybe to try take over her body later on? But there is no motive for goodie to do that.
I want to know more about Bianca, her family story was interesting
I love your analysis videos, I am doing a-level media studies and while your reviews aren't about the specific case studies they have helped me so much. They have definitely improved my understanding of what I should be considering and how to go about explaining as independent parts and as a part of the larger picture.
I did not care for Enid at all and felt Wednesday had a more interesting dynamic with Bianca. But the white girl is considered more “marketable” .
Also the super happy bright “sunshine” character being with the gloomy dark “moon” character is safe markability wise. Go to pretty much any fandom and that dynamic will be in the top ten ships
I enjoyed Enid and found her to be fun, and her relationship with Wednesday to be sweet, but Wednesday and Bianca 100% have a more interesting dynamic and I really hope it becomes more central to the show going forward
they wrote her so badly and it makes me yearn for the character she could've been; an earnest teen girl who just wants to feel like she belongs somewhere, but she's just a 70 year old man google searching "meme".
Here, ma'am, touch some grass 🌿☘🌱
everyone was shipping her w enid i was out there feeling the tension between bianca and wednesday fdjfks
I came across your account for the first time today and I’m in love, it’s so satisfying to see a video essayist who talks about characters and themes so well!! I feel like a lot of videos about shows on UA-cam focus on the plot and never on the characters, their motivations, or how they interact within the story. You’ve got such a skill with analyzing themes and I love the way you broke down the questions for each character-it’s really interesting to look at them from that perspective because it points out what’s missing from their portrayals so clearly. Also, I love how you talk about costume design too-it can really say a lot about the characters and connect thematically to their lives!! I’m totally subbing, and can’t wait to see what you talk about next :)
One of my favorite movies is Persepolis, an autobiographical animated film. In it, a girl from Iran has to go to Europe for college because her family is scared for her life, because she's very outspoken, even to the police. But when she's in Europe, she runs into a similar problem- she's too outspoken for the people there too! I would believe that a goth girl was too much for even an outcast monster school, but the series never really reflects on that.
I love persepolis! I haven’t even watched the movie yet but i read book 1 and 2
no because i REALLY wanted to know more about Bianca, i found her interesting and especially during the family visit episode
Apparently this was true for the original as well, but Wednesday being a mary-sue, good at everything with no weaknesses and guys salivating over her, was just annoying to me. Her lack of caring for others opinions can be a weakness in some moments, but it's largely depicted as a strength, because it’s good not to be brought down by other peoples negative opinions about you. You can't have one weakness that's also kind of an admirable strength to the teens that watch your show and expect that to make your character relatable and interesting.
she wasn’t a mary sue though, that’s what i liked about this Wednesday
the only thing that makes me watch the season 2 is the fact jenna is gonna direct it
Really??
@@EmyNno she’s gonna be an executive producer on it tho
@@mads7710that’s so awesome
Here is a question. If Wednesday inherits her power from her mother, why is Goody Addams her teacher? Wouldn't that mean that the power didn't come from her mother, but from her father's side of the family? Are they implying that Gomez took Morticia's last name or......eew. You see what happens when they don't fully explain things?
Ok, I need to argue about Enid's arc because I've probably read too much into it and her transformation makes total sense to me to happen when it does.
You talked about how she could've had to overcome a huge mental block and that is, TO ME, exactly what happens in the show. Let me point out some things established in the show and show the picture that formed to me:
- Enid is on all social medias and knows all the gossip; still not invited to inner circle hangouts nor does anyone try to take her attention away from Wednesday. Clearly she's the most common type of outcast: the one that is trying to be included but just isn't for being "too much";
- Is already lonely, immediately tries to get friend support from someone she barely knows and does not seem to like her;
- Greatest fear is to be alone forever;
- Goes to a date with a boy on a Blue Moon, gets stood up and destroys a car, surprising even herself;
- Finally gets the boy she likes, powers immediately start to act up, and it is implied later this happens regularly when they get more intimate;
- Only seen having friend hangouts with A Literal Disembodied Hand, no one questions or cares, for better or worse
- Nearly gets killed because of Wednesday, but still wants for her to apologize so she can come back to her room, probably not feeling very welcomed by the friend she's staying at;
- Transforms only after having at least one close friend, a steady boyfriend and a somewhat friend (Wednesday), only under a Blood Moon and only in the face of a potentially very dangerous situation; those are also the only ones to touch/comfort her after her transformation.
To me her arc is pretty clear. She had major anxiety about not ever being able to transform, and therefore being alone; once those fears started to die down and the moon's influence was strong enough, she finally was able to do it. One of the few arcs that actually develops throughout the entire show and gets resolved in a fairly satisfying manner.
The boys are so boring. An enemies to friends to lovers storyline between Bianca and Wednesday would be so much more interesting. They have so much more chemistry!
I like yo think that Enid wolf's out because 1. She has accepted who she is and 2. Even if Wednesday isn't a great friend, she knows Wednesday cares about her in her own way.
Enid’s character arc was wrapped up by the end of the first season. I mean, talk about a bad writing choice. They should’ve set up more things about her character so we’d have something to explore in Season 2.
Remember when this was discussed a ton and was super popular?
Nobody is talking about it in retrospect now lol
I forgot about it until I saw this recommended.
The show’s visuals were good, but the writing was boring and felt like it didn’t want to commit to parody of shitty teen shows, so it just felt like a reskin of riverdale. :/
Enids mother offering her "conversion camp" because of her struggle to finally transform was so weird to me 😭 i didnt think it was wildly offensive or something just that the phraising was a lil odd
yeah idk what metaphor they were going for there like girl…
I always interpreted her being upset that her father murdered someone because he lied and didn’t tell her about it, didn’t truth her with the details. I never saw it as she was upset he murdered, it was that he didn’t tell her
I really dislike that this series kinda forces Wednesday to a kiss and or relationship with those guys. She is not interested in these kind of things, it really doesn't suite her character but its Netflix. For every female lead character they need to squish in a love interest...
I dislike love triangle like when I started watching it I thought It was just mystery, drama and horror because I feel like Wednesday is not type of person to love
The real reason why we need more of her: Bianca's makeup game is on. point.
Jenna is a good actress but omg when she said she didn't want to copy Cristina Ricci's Wednesday was so cringe to me. EVERYTHING about this new Wednesday wants to emulate Cristina's. The emotionless, the snark, that is not a 'Wednesday" thing it is a "Cristina's Wednesday" thing specifically.
Another thing is that I dont know why so much people ship Wednesday and Enid. They had no chemistry even as friends! I didn:t believe their friendship at all! And now people want them to be a couple?? Like what?
i loved Jenna as Wednesday but i’m not too familiar with Christina’s version though so i can’t say much about that. and i think people just like to have fun shipping characters haha opposites attract i guess! but if it were up to me, i’d ship Wednesday on her own for now
i only like them together because they seemed to be the only ones with chemistry. and also enids words/actions is actually the only thing that affects wednesday, no one else seems to be able to do the same. but i for one was upset she had a love interest at all, enid was my second choice.
also, the actors like the idea and very much have the chemistry offscreen, itd translate nicely.
but itd have to be a multiple season arc. to have wednesday go from nada to prada so quickly was and is absurd
@@lizz9896 I actually thought that Wednesday did really have chemistry with Tyler, they were cute and seemed to have fun together but then he was the monster which was obvious but also a really nasty and cruel guy and that upset me so much.
They ship them bse the actors have chemistry offscreen🙄🙄🙄
@@belinda8313 I wish they had that chemistry in the show because their friendship felt so forced and sudden, and their interactions not genuine at all.
I honestly felt more chemistry between Wednesday and Thing and even Tyler than Enid.
I hated the fact that Wednesday was willing to TORTURE Xavier without having cold hard evidence that he has smth to do with the Hyde. Xavier tried to help her so many times and she wanted to repay him by torturing him? i rlly hope Wednesdays character redeems itself after THAT. tho I'm pretty sure theres nothing she can do to redeem herself after that disaster of a scene. I hope Xavier moves on cuz he's too good for Wednesday
I think its so hard to write characters that enjoy the macabre, because there's so many conflicts of interest. She was disappointed that the murder was only attempted, yet didn't want to believe her father had killed someone (though one could argue she just didnt want him in prison for it, or she doesnt want him getting credit for a murder that doesnt exist). Thats just one example, but its hard to keep character motivations clear if someone likes "evil" things but is fighting against evil. It can be done, but I was confused about what exactly Wednesday wanted at any point in the show. We didn't know what to root for if her motivations arent clear
Commenting early because THANK YOU, there was always something that never really sat right with me about the series. I really wanted to love it but by the end it just left me… confused.
Wednesday hated that her dad would keep the murder secret and just knew he wouldn't just do that for no reason, such things
Modern Addams Family depictions never seem to get the dynamic of the Addams' right. The whole point of them is to be a take on average families and it's problems. They're freaks in a normal world but are incredibly tight-knit and obviously love each other. That's what makes the Addams Family appealing, the contrast of their strangeness to other 'average' people.
I wish I found your channel a year ago because I'm been watching your videos all in a row - and I REALLY wish I saw this when all the hype was going on. This is so spot on.
The reason characters die or resolve their conflicts by the end of the season was because it was originally meant to only be a single season. I wouldn't be surprised if Tim Burton has a severely reduced role in further seasons or leaves to project entirely. I'm actually hoping for a reboot or write this season off as mostly a nightmare. Especially those conclusion episodes. Maybe this season is Wednesday is ruminating, daydreaming or having a nightmare of one of Uncle Fester's old bedtime stories about a girl going to a school because her parents are now sending her to a school.
Jenna apparently tried to save it but I agree it’s was just typical kind of teenage drama but I think has potential to be better or worse all depends I still think I enjoyed it
I didnt mind Wednesday opening up to people, i hated that she had to become okay with hugs/contact. There are plenty of folks who dont like hugs/contact and have healthy relationships.
The thing is, she wasn't. She initially rejected Enid but then realized that Enid needed the hug, not her. So I saw Wednesday's hugging as a gratitude, not as a surrender. She knew this was how she could thank Enid for saving her life, but it took her a second for it to sink in. I still think she was scrutinizing the hug while it was happening as if she was trying to understand it.