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We Need To Talk About ACME Tackle's Changes To Moonshine Spoons
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Great information Michael. It’s sad to see greed in the form of lesser quality.
Thanks for the update. Its all dreamweaver and salmon candy for me
You touched briefly on weight. I make spoons, have been for 50 years, and I can tell you the material used, and thickness thereof, makes an enormous difference. That 1g weight difference may seem insignificant, but it can make an enormous difference in the action. Brass and copper weigh significantly more than some of the cheap sheet metals some manufacturers use. They sound different when the split ring moves on them too. The sound of metal on metal is NOT natural, and if the fish are being moody, that tinny sound of the cheap metal can be game over. IMO brass and copper spoons are by far the best, because of the weight, and because they are softer and therefore, quieter. I won't even pull anything else.
Color, I'm NOT a believer in needing 1000 colors. Other than dark, medium, and light color I don't care. A big contrasting eye? Absolutely! White belly vs black belly vs chrome belly? OK.it changes the overall light vs dark of the offering. Colored tape? Other than the fact that it changes the sound, especially on the cheaper metals, I'm not a fan of tape. A thin coat of paint, and 2 coats of clear, and I'm done!
I'm clearly not a spoon maker and don't know the intricacies of it all but this was pretty interesting to read.
@@ChiCityYaker I guess the short of what I was trying to say is, if they changed the material used, and/or the thickness, they changed the product in a significant way. The slight color variations mean nothing.
Great breakdown on the differences, Michael. Great audio and awesome quality on the video.
Much appreciated!
Thanks for helping spread the news. The old style hooks are VMC, a quality brand, and it's adversed on the old package. A forum I'm on had three guys posting that the split rings failed on the China brand. My local tackle shop owner said the china ones don't glow as long, but i haven't comparred tham because i won't buy wven one Chinese spoon. And lastly, the new company obvously saved a ton of money with the cheaper hooks, split rings, and yet it is not reflected on the shelf. They still cost about 10 bucks. I bought as many USA ones as I think I'll ever need and my plan is to never buy another Moonshine brand.
As I've now heard, all hooks goin forward will all be VMC again. I also don't know about the glow, I didn't test it because I don't think they'd mess with that but I'm not 100% sure.
Package also doesn't say what hook they use. Was always VMC
That is true too, didn't catch that one.
Great video Michael. Time to stock up on the USA made versions. 🇺🇸
Great Video ! Thank You
Great video. Thanks for the info
Weird thing is I bought some moonshine spoons the other day and the China made ones were about $1 more. I wouldn't have noticed if I didn't look at the package after watching the video.
It’s just a bummer that they changed things. Hard to believe they can’t duplicate the colors any better. I struggle sometimes getting colors close but not as bad as that. And the tape thing I mean come on! Just hope the glow hasn’t changed much!
I struggle making a good glow for my baits! But I keep trying!
And the weight difference can be huge even if it’s 1g on the action it could be bad but could be better speeds may differ from the old blanks!
Great info Michael thanks for sharing your findings!
Great info amigo 🫡🎣💯
Great video about a disappointing change. Hopefully someone regional like Dreamweaver steps in and expands their glowing spoon lineup.
I agree...except dreamweavers don't pound kings like the old moonshines!
I'll for sure check the blister pack before buying. Thanks Michael.
I've noticed the hooks bending out, never had that issue before, I'm also concerned about the quality of the split ring.
Great job on the video very informative! Glad I bought a bunch for spares before ACME took over knew this was going to happen very sad! Such a great spoon too! I would be curious to see if they glow as long as the originals?
as far as I know the paint formula hasn't changed nor do I think it would. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype and appeal.
The new hooks are Eagle Claw hooks
Now it's time to stock up.Most tackle shops are being flooded with the Chinese junk.I've been able to stock up on some of the originals to stash away. These are only gonna go up in value as collectors items. A similar historical situation happened with the wiggle wart crank baits by storm pre Rapala.
Those wiggle warts are deadly for fall run coho, ask me how I know! 😁
Exactly why I switched to Hangry Brsnd spoons
I wonder how the glow compares. The old ones stayed glowed up a long time and heck you could see em in the dark 100' away!
He totally missed this
as far as I know the glow formula has not changed nor do I suspect it will. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype all these years. If anything, I expect we'll see the paint formula on other ACME products.
We need an old vs new head to head challenge. See which ones perform better.
At the very least I wish companies would send out a mass notification letting people know they're planning on going cheap
What is that spoon box? Your spoons are being stored in? Great video thank you
I did a video on it which is on my channel if you look back to last year. Here's the link for it: lakemichiganangler.com/products/spoon-boxes?variant=43479787929830
Can you make a short video on spoon storage? That box you have is amazing.
Agreed, which box is that?
Spoon Tender by TLC Tackle. LMA sells them but you can find them in local shops depending on where you are. Great for storage though I wish the box was a little more stout for a boating environment.
I did a video on it last year that you can find on my channel if you go back a little bit. @marismiglans4127 mentioned it already but its a Spoon Tender box. You can find it here: lakemichiganangler.com/products/spoon-boxes?variant=43479787929830
I had no idea they changed, I bought a bunch of them before the change I guess. This is very unfortunate news
That's another fantastic video. Good job! Unfortunately most of the spoons made in China are coming in pretty crappy. I need to know where did you get that spoon box. I need one that is fantastic. Keep up the good videos. Thank you
Sure, you can find them here: lakemichiganangler.com/products/spoon-boxes?variant=43479787929830 - there's also a video on my channel where I cover these spoon boxes if wanted to see that before purchasing.
My old eyes noticed a sparkle in all the USA spoons compared to China spoons. Thanks for showing the difference, if i can see the difference i,m sure the fish have better eyesight than me..
Better stock up on Moonshines and buy up all the American made stock before I boycott Acme as I do not support China or any off-shoring. Haven’t seen Chinese made product here in Canada yet. Suggest ACME passes on savings if we need to replace hooks.
Made in china…..thats all we need to know. This is a shame. Iv been fishing moonshines sinc they came out in the early 2000s. Seen this same thing happen to storm.
Same thing happened with spawn netting from Atlas mikes.
I noticed that last year
I buy my spawn netting at Hobby lobby in the fabric dept. . You will slap yourself in the face when you see how much you can get for $5.00 (in several different colors ).
@@philsajtar7487 isn’t it kinda stiff like scarf material. I like how soft the atlas mikes used to be.
Old tape transparent red opal. New tape transparent blue opal (948). Make a original vs kmda/made in Mexico Salmon Candy video next!!!
Turned a great spoon into junk know of 2 big retailers .not dealing with them anymore
You hit the nail on the head. That's not raspberry carbon RV, that's raspberry copper carbon RV?. Acme messed up.
Yeah I personally am bothered with that change because that is literally my favorite spoon ever and now it's a totally different spoon because of the tape. I hope they fix it.
@ChiCityYaker you're correct, it's basically a knock-off. The tape is impossible to get. Believe me, I've tried. I applaud you for making this video.
I'm guessing all my moonshines are the OG ones they had a clear on them and are very heavy allowing you to troll quite fast without them blowing out. sad when a company sells but i get it making lures is probably a pretty tough business. the crazy glow they have is it the same. a lot of the folks that buy these make their living from these products because it helps their clients catch more fish. that hook looks like a galvanized saltwater hook ok but not the strongest or sharpest. many folks change hooks anyway. glad you had the courage to put this video out nowadays with all the crazy, sad, bs out there but would guess you will be hearing from ACME soon. strange what they don't get is salmon fishing is very expensive saving a buck on a spoon is not high on our lists we want them to work
as far as I know the glow formula has not changed nor do I suspect it will. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype all these years. If anything, I expect we'll see the paint formula on other ACME products.
@@ChiCityYaker well good still not sure why they do the uv tape on them the glow is uv already
Do a glow test
as far as I know the glow formula has not changed nor do I suspect it will. That was a big part of the Moonshine hype all these years. If anything, I expect we'll see the paint formula on other ACME products.
Sucks so bad, this is terrible for my business model.
Dream Weaver
Same as bill lewis rattletrap, quality and product big change
I suspected the change and am not into spending money on what I consider imitations.
Very, very sad, ACME had better respond or face a boycott.
This is disappointing.....thanks for the information.
Made in China and these are the highest priced spoons out there. Go figure. I wonder how the paint will hold up.
Only time will tell.
It's like the smithwicks all over again...
Time to stock up and stop buying them
Leave it to ACME to F up a great product, I refuse to buy their crap
All I use anymore is cheap China lures from Amazon anymore. All the American made stuff is way to expensive to fish with. I'd rather lose a 4 dollar China crank than a 12 dollar name brand.😅 still catch fish.