Two things I forgot to mention: 1) In Offensive Mode you can only cap inside the strongpoint but even then, taking control of the surrounding area is still extremely important 2) Cap rate can't be slowed or sped up, so the whole concept of "Let's get people on the point" to stop the capture without an actual attempt at removing the enemy's ability to attack is just silly.
You can write that on top of the video. UA-cam let's you place stuff on top of it. Is ugly yes but this two things you forgot are extremely important, mostly the second one actually the silly is "they are caping! Lets all move inside their SP to cap faster then them"
@@monoespacial No problem! Btw, right after watching your video, I got into the best squad ever in Hill 400. I played support and accompanied my squad leader (SL) to setup outposts and backup outpost as you suggested (this was priority for him, along with set up of notes). If I had to redeploy, he will first set up an outpost so I can spawn and send down supplies for outposts. The rest of the squad took up overwatch positions, made calls, pinged, gave covering fire and followed SL orders to the letter (no Rambos, except for the designated point man). The SL also coordinated with Command and another squad who made flanking maneuvers (both were equally competent). We built nodes and defended strong points until the main force advanced and once the next strong point on the map was captured (and the old strong point we were defending became uncapturable) the SL will then order us to redeploy to new positions and leave enemy survivors at the old site since they can't do anything because the strong point was uncapturable (no wasting of time fighting pointless engagements). IT WAS THE BEST GAME I'VE EVER PLAYED.
I agree. One of the best squad leads I ever had followed what he called "an offensive defense" we defended the point by pushing away from the point and taking out the advancing enemy
Good man. Helping new players to understand this will be crucial to winning games. Too many times the commander starts screaming to squad leaders that all the garrisons are down. Make sure you place your garrisons intelligently like Mono has specified. This is the single most important thing to do to win games.....especailly on Hurtgen Forest.
I am a new player and have lost many games because of this exact reason. I always trusted my more experienced team mates. But I did never understand why they just camp in the point. It's ridiculous because you get fucked in the ass from alle directions. And after the point is taken, often the next point is already being captured. I realise now even experienced players don't know how to play this game. Thanks for the video explaining this.
Yes, unfortunately there is a widespread lack of garrisons being built in all matches which forces players to only cover very specific areas of the map.
Its not camping it's called defense and that happens because no one does it. You can't go on their alone and everyone push out, get avoided then kills you. The problem with this game is people think their way IS the way based on nothing. It's an opinion. Its simple math they can attack all they want if you defend the don't win they can't take the point of they can't kill you. Running around isn't a plan you're a easy target especially for one in a good conversation concealed position looking at you, this is basic combat and playing such a game and being ignorant to these simple things are the issue not this lol
Exception: North Pass North pass has a bridge, if you place before it youre in big trouble. Place a Garrison there, get your people go all the way around and some from the hill to push them out
I agree with most of what you are saying. You do need to meet the enemy, and destroy their OPs and Garrisons. However, you do need a squad or two to defend the strong point while other squads flank the enemy. You gain more capping power on a strong point. If all the squads leave the defense strong point, and attack, the enemy tends to flank around-capturing the position. The problem with Hella loose right now is that not a lot of squads work well together. It’s rare when you get that kind of teamwork to support both a defense and advance. Great vid!
I agree defense of the strongpoint is needed, but those squads playing defense need to roam around and detect/takeout enemies before they become a problem. If you're just sitting on the SP then you allow them to set up around you, take your garrisons or outpost outside the point, if any, and then you get overrun no matter how good you defend. I agree communication is a problem, just like it is in any team based game, but the single biggest problem in public matches is squads not building garrisons. I've seen a lot of matches where we have only one garrison in the entire map. I wish there was a tooltip saying "your team doesn't have enough garrisons, build more" if you have less then 3-4 garrisons
I got into a fight on command chat with one dude who was a high level that still did not understand that the cap rate stays the same regardless of how many soldiers you have in the sector or in the strong point. I was livid asf bro. Thank you for this guide.
I agree with this video and understand the total value of garrisons and now I have a better understanding of where to place them. Now we can only hope that other new players will see this video listen to it and pay attention to what is said here.
Admittedly I'm still very new to HLL and even though I've got experience with other tactical shooters, and teamwork focused games, this video actually helped clarify the map control mechanic. I'm not at the stage where I feel comfortable acting as a Squad Leader, however, the importance of placement for outposts is also of tremendous help.
Whenever I end up as Squad Leader, my first call to the team and the other commanders is to apologize if and when I fuck up because honestly, I need A LOT more experience in the game to consider myself an effective Squad Lead when it comes to battlefield control.
Private Noob checking in. This video really helped me understand the gameplay a lot more. I'm a Battefield Vet and was playing like that in HLL, now I see my error and will change my tactics accordingly.
Understanding intuitive garrison placement was a game changer for me. The more disseminated this information becomes amongst the general player base, the less of a ridiculous advantage that stacked clan teams will seem to have anymore. Map control is just so nebulously communicated by the game at this moment. Nice work on the vid! Do you think the devs recognize problems with how map control is currently communicated, or do you think they will at least add more visual information as to which squares on the map count towards the sector?
I don't know what the Devs intend to do, to be honest. I do think they need to create better tutorials for the game but that's probably a ways off since the way things work right now will probably change over time. I think a quick fix would be to indicate more clearly on the minimap how this works, like you said.
Just got this game tonight, played a few games and each match seemed to be like people were playing conquest. There were a couple squads trying to flank but were never successful, due to little to no map control. This video helped open my eyes as to what I was actually playing so thank you for that. Absolutely love this game btw :D
I’ve been learning the game blind and not have I only learned how the game works by myself, and other players teaching me some of the fundamentals, your videos, help solidify the things that were taught to me making me more confident in helping my squad and team mates
Getting inside the circle counts as 3 so if your out numbered and trying to stop them capping it while back up comes is a legitimate reason to head for the strongpoint circle.
But you’re then simply playing a game of chance. If you control the map & eliminate enemy garrisons you will induce an intentional war of attrition & you WILL win
been advocating for aggressive patroling for a long time now, thank you for getting people into this mindset, now only if we can get people to stop mindlessly attacking when the defense cap is being lost hard, and theres no chance for a cap race.
The issue with this system on he’ll let loose is that it isn’t obvious to the player which is a fundamental game design flaw. I think the idea is great but needs to be made more obvious so players
I'd call that less of a flaw and more of a learning curve. Don't get me wrong, the game could benefit from a tutorial covering the basic concepts but strategic garrison placement when attacking and defending is something that is, and should be, learned by experience and from other players.
I was in a match yesterday which would have been the perfect footage for this video. The entire team pushing the Strongpoint in a straight line while I flanked and took out a garrison, an Outpost, killed 8 dudes and set supplies for a garrison. That's when we started to cap the point again, but it was too late....
Good video, just got into the game yesterday so i’m still learning how the mechanics work and this makes things a lot easier tbh. Glad they go for a more realistic approach when it comes to gaining and losing ground
Thank you, sir, for this amazing and well-explained video! Cool fact: It also helps you playing Battlefield! The same issue there: people rushing towards the capture point and be bombed to hell from the outside instead of controlling the surrounding first and then get on point. Because enemies always spawn off-center and random they can easily overwhelm you. Anyways, thanks again for this video! Will definitely pick up HLL more in the future.
Finished building my PC and this and War Thunder were the first games I downloaded. It’s been frustrating but rewarding to really learn this game and I mostly go as a spotter in armor and that’s where I found to be the place I really thrive, those strategic flanks are amazing and to think I coordinated something like that is fulfilling as hell. I just really love rolling up on infantry as an officer in a tank and coordinating with everyone else
Been playing this for a while now. I in the beginning I have always thought if you stand in the strong point the better capture rate you have. I would always try to put a garry down. But when people started to get a little smarter about arty then my mind set changed. What i mainly do with my garrys is try to put it down from flanking positions. Would show that enemy near and yes they might get it but we can always put down more supplies and stop that flank. Other than that i 100% agree with map control. Great video keep em coming.
I come from years of playing Heroes & Generals, and though that game is more like BF it thought me the importance of spawn placements, and resources, and flanks as well. I wish that game was more like HLL though.
Finally someone said it. I play commander a fair bit in Hell Let Loose as not many want to do it. So I lament the fact that squad leads don't get this. E.g. Placing a defensive garrison behind our lines close to the map grid that doesn't get destroyed if its taken.
I'm just here because I saw greatest submarine move ever Down Periscope in the video preview. Big thumbs up for that movie. The information was surprisingly helpful too. As far as I can see the sector bounds are no where in the in-game help but square with what I see playing the game.
As a new player this makes a lot of sense. Anytime we start losing an objective I immediately push to the strong point along with most players on my team. I'm on console so game is still somewhat new to us. I hope more people find this video
Hey, watched a few of your videos but this one made me a subscriber! Not on board with your choice of background music, but you can't have everything! GG
I think I noticed this. I have only played a few games. But seeing how spawns relied on players not objectives I would just take the tanks and find out where people were spawning and typically shooting an HE shell in their general direction got me structure destruction points. But essentially we make out own bases essentially and are in charge of them instead of the game telling us so. That's cool. Great video.
Just got the game cuz of your vids. After my second round, I am happy to announce that I am blown away at how fun and challenging this game is :D Thanks for the great videos!
Picked up its about map control, not flag capture as well as fight the garrisons/Ops not the enemies. Thanks for the help with getting going in the game, have had a few awesome rounds with your tips.
great info Mono, being a total newbie (via xbox) am upto level 24 and its been a slog, some games are brilliant with lots of comms others are more stressful with no comms! I get commanders with no grasp telling me to put a garry up in the objective when there is already one there! I quickly learnt that its all about map control which a lot seem to fail to grasp, even now.
I'm a news player in this game and I'm loving the tactic possibilities, but still finding this same problem. Unexperienced Officers and Commanders whose favorite sentence is " get into the point", you end up just getting surrounded from all angles and its not a fun experience. Also in my experience don't stay in Leaderless squads! you lose comms with the rest of the team and you become virtually useless. This is not COD!
So basically the Germans at Stalingrad did exactly what you said is wrong. Think of defending the capture point and don't really think about map and flanks. Then you get surrounded and you can't move and it's matter of time you loose
In terms of map control and garry + op placement, one thing to add would be. It can also break the neck of your team if the commander combines an recon plane and a bombing run and wipes out the whole defence + spawn points.
Its quite simple. Killing enemies is good, destroying garrisons or outposts is amazing. If you are just defending, the enemies will just keep respawning and coming at you, each time with a better approach. YOU NEED TO FIND THEIR SPAWN POINTS.
This reminds me of a match yesterday where I saw some enemies coming from behind a wall all the time, decided to fire a HE shell (me and my buddy were crewing a medium tank) near that wall. Destroyed a Spawn, Garrison and 2 Outposts in one shot. It was insane
Excellent video! This info is equivalent to many hours of rinse and repeating strategy errors - I've just bought the console version - thanks for potentially keeping me sane(ish).
I used a mic for the first time today in a match and I was squad leader. My squad mates were very kind and showing me the ropes with this very concept of proper OP/Garisson placements. And yes it is very much more fun as well as strategically superior this way. Hell Let Loose community is very newbie friendly :)
You really have to force communication onto people. A lot of new players aren't used to it or are shy about it. If you ask questions, give commands and so on, people tend to react and it gets the ball going.
really cool video, I don't know how I just get to your video but hey thanks for the information, even I don't play the game, it seems you make me interested in the game
Should mention that even if NOT in circle you do capture, by being inside circle one body counts as 3, so it is important to be inside circle if your team dont have numbers to capture
The biggest failing of HLL is that you need to watch UA-cam videos to understand it. I have played it twice and am running around as a rifleman not knowing what the hell I am doing! Some people don't have hours to understand the basics, looking after the kids, shopping, working etc.., gets in the way.
Yeah, it's biggest problem is that there isn't a tutorial. That said, if you have a few minutes to watch a beginners guide while in the bathroom or something, the problem is solved, and you'll learn more from a few videos in like 40min than in 10 hours in the game.
Violence speed and momentum is key to winning the match. Overwhelm the enemy push forward and cap points as quickly as possible. This is not a timed game it can be won very quickly
While collecting inside the point, you either Keep or Lose that point. If defending, being inside the Point can relive the pressure of having your defenses gone completely. There is SOME enemy inside that perimeter. Your team counts as three times that of the enemy in defense. The enemy is not spawning inside for long if you keep your point. That will destroy their attack. Then clean up is required. If OFESIVE play. That would be the only thing to do. Warfare mode. Same thing. The job isn't done when you get the new objective. Enemy within ad enemy without. Sweep and clear. Will all 50 players be inside. I haven't seen that yet. Some are still on their way to the party ( Both modes) And there is usually more than one garrie spewing troops out. I get my squads on the Point. We can deal with the rest after contested. Those enemy garries will be delt with. They are a timed dispensed and they are better seen when large numbers come out. In Offensive mode, defending, the enemy are probably gathered close to wire. But, I have yet to see that in my play time. Offense/Defense in either Warfare or Offensive modes have their separate tactics. Both sides are stretched out searching anyway. I believe what you are speaking about applies more to Offensive mode. Yet, my thoughts are to jump on the Point and see what happens. After all, the offense probably has no OPs inside the point at the beginning. If they do forget about going outside the wire to look for them. Place garrie s in and out of strong point. Nothing is wrong OPs inside. Support garries are needed. Good points and have to expand on subject.
Great video, only point i would like to make is, the music. Even though i generally enjoy the style its a bit to distracting. I would rather have no music or a much lower sound with different type of music.
Dam good vid Sir. Do you have one on effective radius of supplies? And other structures which have a radius effect? Whether they impede other structures etc?
Supplies have a radius of 50m and anything that needs them can be built within that radius (AT guns, garrisons). You can't seem to build 2 garrisons with one set of supplies though! Structures can be built pretty close to one another.
@@monoespacial i'm presuming that 2 Garrison points have to be 150m away from each other, therefore you'll never be able to do it from 1 supply? ANyhoo, thank you for the reply, really appreciate it.
Problem also , most newer players come from other FPS games like COD and BF. They bring that mentality into HLL as well as bring the same tactics and “skill” and they’ll involuntarily sabotage their team. That’s how crazy teamwork is important in HLL. Flexing KD don’t work in HLL.
Again I think a lot of this comes back to Team 17 needs to put a basic tutorial/firing range in the game like Post Scriptum. They expect the player to just learn some advanced concepts from a game that is essentially the more realistic Battlefield. It's the same as people being obsessed with killing which really doesn't score points to say dropping supplies or building a node.
with garrison placement i always try to get 3 down on the offensive mode, one in strong point, one behind somewhere then a defensive one in front of it
That is true.however, I play as commander a lot as, is and used to position a triple garri placement around the point with a 4th one in the center as a proximity beacon. However, as the uploader pointed out, this inherently spawns new players and inexperienced squadleads directly in the center, and not on any of the tri-position garris So i stopped asking for the center one. Key is to order your squadleads to pour in infantry from those garris to the sp.
Good information and nicely put together. However sometimes peoples will to have fun is higher than the will to "win". Running around clearing garrisons is good, but I find it to get boring in the long run. Fighting in the middle where all the action is, is a blast! Deleting garrisons, to use your own analogy with the submarine is like bombing the harbour instead of attacking the enemy submarine. Yea it's smart and wins wars, but is it fun? I know they are constantly reworking the garrison system, and I hope to see further changes in the future. Somehow it should be so that your team can spawn in areas you control, not where a sneaky commander runs solo and drops a garrison behind everyone.
People forget or don't know that playing defense, replacing lost garrisons and hunting down squads attempting to attack, shutting down enemy airheads and properly flanking the enemy leads to a whole lot of combat that's not just a meat-grinder. Players complain they just run and get shot all the time, which is exactly what happens when you go head-on against the enemy. So, I'd correct what you said about people wanting fun as the reason why they don't engage in that other playstyle. It's not that they're seeking more fun, it's that they aren't giving a single thought to what's going on, the tactics, the objectives, the meta or pretty much anything that requires a moderate amount of thought to fuel your gameplay decisions. They just see a red ball on their hud and go straight towards it-
I should point out to casuals from someone who plays this game like an actual military would. The entire point of why Hell Let Looses works with capturing is because it's supposed to work with flanking and maneuvering to achieve your objective rather than using straight brute force. The problem is that I've seen too many games where the officers don't do their jobs because they do not understand the power that officers have. All officers can talk to each other regardless of distance while the others can only talk within their own squads or in the range of distance. The command has two jobs and I find that they only do half of it. Your job is to make sure your army has resources to get supplies and support to where it's needed while also making sure to direct the intent of battle. I find that the commander as a hard time doing the latter and thus the local squad commanders are usually left in charge of their own units to direct their squads. So instead of getting proper flanking and maneuvering, you typically see very little if at all while each squad will get tactical but have no help between squads with leaves to brute force attacks. I've only been in one match where the Commanders and Squad leaders had their shit together and were working in sync perfectly and we destroyed the enemy. Most CoD players come into this game and play it like CoD just to get sniped and bitch about it. I find Battlefield players tend to work within squads as I said. Hell Let Loose was designed with the idea of a RTS game but done in FPS. Players who play this game with "the RTS mindset" tend to be the best officers.
Just bought this game... should arrive tomorrow. I'm so excited. Battlefield 2042 is bad and I wouldn't dare go back to Duty. This seems like the most sense to buy.
Why doesnt this game have in game tutorials? I realize there is a wall of text you can read, but in game tutorials would go a long way to introducing new players to the games mechanics.
Im at the point where this realization has dawned on me naturally and I am now enjoying the game far less because it frustrates me to see that no one is playing the game right
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Two things I forgot to mention:
1) In Offensive Mode you can only cap inside the strongpoint but even then, taking control of the surrounding area is still extremely important
2) Cap rate can't be slowed or sped up, so the whole concept of "Let's get people on the point" to stop the capture without an actual attempt at removing the enemy's ability to attack is just silly.
You can write that on top of the video. UA-cam let's you place stuff on top of it. Is ugly yes but this two things you forgot are extremely important, mostly the second one
actually the silly is "they are caping! Lets all move inside their SP to cap faster then them"
If you are in the strong point you count as 2 players toward the cap. You can't ignore the strong point and win.
Offensive mode is technically rush isn't it? And warfare is a modified conquest
@@steveguy3 you know nothing Jon Snow. But yeah, kinda.
Ads getting stupid. Asked me to replay instead of getting me to video xD
I'm new to Hell Let Loose, only played 10ish games. Your videos are really helping me understand how to play the game. thanks
That's great to hear. I like being able to help people enjoy great games.
I need to learn everything new. I played months ago and there I merely was also somewhat new.
I'm new to this on xbox. Glad I came across this.
I hope more xbox and ps5 users watch this. Great informative vid.
Me2. Thanks bud for the videos. And the people who are decent human beings in the community for this game like Uhthred
How are you getting on now?
The fact that this video has so little views concerns me. Every player, especially ones who just got in, must know this.
That's very kind of you. Please share it with whoever you think needs it!
@@monoespacial No problem! Btw, right after watching your video, I got into the best squad ever in Hill 400. I played support and accompanied my squad leader (SL) to setup outposts and backup outpost as you suggested (this was priority for him, along with set up of notes). If I had to redeploy, he will first set up an outpost so I can spawn and send down supplies for outposts. The rest of the squad took up overwatch positions, made calls, pinged, gave covering fire and followed SL orders to the letter (no Rambos, except for the designated point man). The SL also coordinated with Command and another squad who made flanking maneuvers (both were equally competent). We built nodes and defended strong points until the main force advanced and once the next strong point on the map was captured (and the old strong point we were defending became uncapturable) the SL will then order us to redeploy to new positions and leave enemy survivors at the old site since they can't do anything because the strong point was uncapturable (no wasting of time fighting pointless engagements). IT WAS THE BEST GAME I'VE EVER PLAYED.
It should be stickied to their store page. lol
I just started playing and I had to seek this video out because the game does a terrible job at explaining the game modes and objectives.
I agree. One of the best squad leads I ever had followed what he called "an offensive defense" we defended the point by pushing away from the point and taking out the advancing enemy
I'm level 85 in HLL, and while I know a fair amount I still learned from this video. Cheers
Thanks dude!
The game would really benefit from a tutorial that goes over this kind of info
Recently started playing HLL as a Battlefield veteran. This video is brilliant. Thank you.
Battlefield veteran here as well. Welcome!
Good man. Helping new players to understand this will be crucial to winning games. Too many times the commander starts screaming to squad leaders that all the garrisons are down. Make sure you place your garrisons intelligently like Mono has specified. This is the single most important thing to do to win games.....especailly on Hurtgen Forest.
Replacing lost garrisons is also super important. It should be every team's no1 priority.
I am a new player and have lost many games because of this exact reason. I always trusted my more experienced team mates. But I did never understand why they just camp in the point. It's ridiculous because you get fucked in the ass from alle directions. And after the point is taken, often the next point is already being captured. I realise now even experienced players don't know how to play this game. Thanks for the video explaining this.
Yes, unfortunately there is a widespread lack of garrisons being built in all matches which forces players to only cover very specific areas of the map.
Its not camping it's called defense and that happens because no one does it. You can't go on their alone and everyone push out, get avoided then kills you. The problem with this game is people think their way IS the way based on nothing. It's an opinion. Its simple math they can attack all they want if you defend the don't win they can't take the point of they can't kill you. Running around isn't a plan you're a easy target especially for one in a good conversation concealed position looking at you, this is basic combat and playing such a game and being ignorant to these simple things are the issue not this lol
Exception: North Pass
North pass has a bridge, if you place before it youre in big trouble. Place a Garrison there, get your people go all the way around and some from the hill to push them out
I agree with most of what you are saying. You do need to meet the enemy, and destroy their OPs and Garrisons. However, you do need a squad or two to defend the strong point while other squads flank the enemy. You gain more capping power on a strong point. If all the squads leave the defense strong point, and attack, the enemy tends to flank around-capturing the position. The problem with Hella loose right now is that not a lot of squads work well together. It’s rare when you get that kind of teamwork to support both a defense and advance. Great vid!
I agree defense of the strongpoint is needed, but those squads playing defense need to roam around and detect/takeout enemies before they become a problem. If you're just sitting on the SP then you allow them to set up around you, take your garrisons or outpost outside the point, if any, and then you get overrun no matter how good you defend.
I agree communication is a problem, just like it is in any team based game, but the single biggest problem in public matches is squads not building garrisons. I've seen a lot of matches where we have only one garrison in the entire map. I wish there was a tooltip saying "your team doesn't have enough garrisons, build more" if you have less then 3-4 garrisons
I got into a fight on command chat with one dude who was a high level that still did not understand that the cap rate stays the same regardless of how many soldiers you have in the sector or in the strong point. I was livid asf bro. Thank you for this guide.
A lot of people don't know that! Just like cap rate is constant but being inside the circle increases your cap weight
@@monoespacial Exactly!
I agree with this video and understand the total value of garrisons and now I have a better understanding of where to place them. Now we can only hope that other new players will see this video listen to it and pay attention to what is said here.
This game has so many layers. Once that clicks you will fall in love with it.
Admittedly I'm still very new to HLL and even though I've got experience with other tactical shooters, and teamwork focused games, this video actually helped clarify the map control mechanic. I'm not at the stage where I feel comfortable acting as a Squad Leader, however, the importance of placement for outposts is also of tremendous help.
Whenever I end up as Squad Leader, my first call to the team and the other commanders is to apologize if and when I fuck up because honestly, I need A LOT more experience in the game to consider myself an effective Squad Lead when it comes to battlefield control.
Nice Quake 2 OST as background music. You rock!
Private Noob checking in. This video really helped me understand the gameplay a lot more. I'm a Battefield Vet and was playing like that in HLL, now I see my error and will change my tactics accordingly.
Understanding intuitive garrison placement was a game changer for me. The more disseminated this information becomes amongst the general player base, the less of a ridiculous advantage that stacked clan teams will seem to have anymore. Map control is just so nebulously communicated by the game at this moment.
Nice work on the vid! Do you think the devs recognize problems with how map control is currently communicated, or do you think they will at least add more visual information as to which squares on the map count towards the sector?
I don't know what the Devs intend to do, to be honest. I do think they need to create better tutorials for the game but that's probably a ways off since the way things work right now will probably change over time. I think a quick fix would be to indicate more clearly on the minimap how this works, like you said.
Just got this game tonight, played a few games and each match seemed to be like people were playing conquest. There were a couple squads trying to flank but were never successful, due to little to no map control. This video helped open my eyes as to what I was actually playing so thank you for that. Absolutely love this game btw :D
I’ve been learning the game blind and not have I only learned how the game works by myself, and other players teaching me some of the fundamentals, your videos, help solidify the things that were taught to me making me more confident in helping my squad and team mates
Getting inside the circle counts as 3 so if your out numbered and trying to stop them capping it while back up comes is a legitimate reason to head for the strongpoint circle.
But you’re then simply playing a game of chance. If you control the map & eliminate enemy garrisons you will induce an intentional war of attrition & you WILL win
been advocating for aggressive patroling for a long time now, thank you for getting people into this mindset, now only if we can get people to stop mindlessly attacking when the defense cap is being lost hard, and theres no chance for a cap race.
The issue with this system on he’ll let loose is that it isn’t obvious to the player which is a fundamental game design flaw. I think the idea is great but needs to be made more obvious so players
I'd call that less of a flaw and more of a learning curve.
Don't get me wrong, the game could benefit from a tutorial covering the basic concepts but strategic garrison placement when attacking and defending is something that is, and should be, learned by experience and from other players.
It's painfully obvious when you rush the next point and the enemy team recaptured the last one
It’s not a flaw at all. It’s the nature of war
Really, really good video, I see this happening way too much whenever I play HLL
I was in a match yesterday which would have been the perfect footage for this video. The entire team pushing the Strongpoint in a straight line while I flanked and took out a garrison, an Outpost, killed 8 dudes and set supplies for a garrison. That's when we started to cap the point again, but it was too late....
Good video, just got into the game yesterday so i’m still learning how the mechanics work and this makes things a lot easier tbh. Glad they go for a more realistic approach when it comes to gaining and losing ground
AMAZING intel man much appreciated hopefully a lot of others check this out
Thanks dude!
2 years later and this is still relevant.
pls more eastern front maps
Thank you, sir, for this amazing and well-explained video! Cool fact: It also helps you playing Battlefield! The same issue there: people rushing towards the capture point and be bombed to hell from the outside instead of controlling the surrounding first and then get on point. Because enemies always spawn off-center and random they can easily overwhelm you.
Anyways, thanks again for this video! Will definitely pick up HLL more in the future.
Finished building my PC and this and War Thunder were the first games I downloaded. It’s been frustrating but rewarding to really learn this game and I mostly go as a spotter in armor and that’s where I found to be the place I really thrive, those strategic flanks are amazing and to think I coordinated something like that is fulfilling as hell. I just really love rolling up on infantry as an officer in a tank and coordinating with everyone else
Been playing this for a while now. I in the beginning I have always thought if you stand in the strong point the better capture rate you have. I would always try to put a garry down. But when people started to get a little smarter about arty then my mind set changed. What i mainly do with my garrys is try to put it down from flanking positions. Would show that enemy near and yes they might get it but we can always put down more supplies and stop that flank. Other than that i 100% agree with map control. Great video keep em coming.
Your videos are amazing - they have improved my game play 200% - thank you so much for the advise it's perfect.
Glad to help!
I come from years of playing Heroes & Generals, and though that game is more like BF it thought me the importance of spawn placements, and resources, and flanks as well. I wish that game was more like HLL though.
Oh hell thanks ! That's what I keep debating with people in public matches
Finally someone said it. I play commander a fair bit in Hell Let Loose as not many want to do it. So I lament the fact that squad leads don't get this. E.g. Placing a defensive garrison behind our lines close to the map grid that doesn't get destroyed if its taken.
I'm just here because I saw greatest submarine move ever Down Periscope in the video preview. Big thumbs up for that movie. The information was surprisingly helpful too. As far as I can see the sector bounds are no where in the in-game help but square with what I see playing the game.
_*Whale sounds_
As a new player this makes a lot of sense. Anytime we start losing an objective I immediately push to the strong point along with most players on my team. I'm on console so game is still somewhat new to us. I hope more people find this video
Hey, watched a few of your videos but this one made me a subscriber! Not on board with your choice of background music, but you can't have everything! GG
This is gold! So much clearer with defined answers/tactics than other video I’ve watched on the same topic. Thanks Mono!
Wait until you see the video in gonna post in a few hours! Update: ua-cam.com/video/1y2DnZ96JjY/v-deo.html
I think I noticed this. I have only played a few games. But seeing how spawns relied on players not objectives I would just take the tanks and find out where people were spawning and typically shooting an HE shell in their general direction got me structure destruction points.
But essentially we make out own bases essentially and are in charge of them instead of the game telling us so. That's cool. Great video.
I only 46h on this game. I usually hate follow people in game and real life but when I play this game, I'm a sheep. I follow my lead squad to hell.
Just got the game cuz of your vids. After my second round, I am happy to announce that I am blown away at how fun and challenging this game is :D Thanks for the great videos!
The devs need to make it clear, I've found even players who are 100 rank don't know this
Picked up its about map control, not flag capture as well as fight the garrisons/Ops not the enemies. Thanks for the help with getting going in the game, have had a few awesome rounds with your tips.
great info Mono, being a total newbie (via xbox) am upto level 24 and its been a slog, some games are brilliant with lots of comms others are more stressful with no comms! I get commanders with no grasp telling me to put a garry up in the objective when there is already one there! I quickly learnt that its all about map control which a lot seem to fail to grasp, even now.
I'm a news player in this game and I'm loving the tactic possibilities, but still finding this same problem. Unexperienced Officers and Commanders whose favorite sentence is " get into the point", you end up just getting surrounded from all angles and its not a fun experience. Also in my experience don't stay in Leaderless squads! you lose comms with the rest of the team and you become virtually useless. This is not COD!
nice to hear Quake II Soundtrack in this one.. thumbs up!
Great video, it's getting tiring how people act like bots in public matches
This stuff needs to be communicated better ingame imo. I was also under the impression that havingthe garrison on the outpost was the best call
This game is about map control. And taking out enemy spawn points. Especially now since the changed some of the rules behind OP and GP placement.
So basically the Germans at Stalingrad did exactly what you said is wrong. Think of defending the capture point and don't really think about map and flanks.
Then you get surrounded and you can't move and it's matter of time you loose
Great analogy
In terms of map control and garry + op placement, one thing to add would be. It can also break the neck of your team if the commander combines an recon plane and a bombing run and wipes out the whole defence + spawn points.
Its quite simple. Killing enemies is good, destroying garrisons or outposts is amazing.
If you are just defending, the enemies will just keep respawning and coming at you, each time with a better approach. YOU NEED TO FIND THEIR SPAWN POINTS.
This reminds me of a match yesterday where I saw some enemies coming from behind a wall all the time, decided to fire a HE shell (me and my buddy were crewing a medium tank) near that wall.
Destroyed a Spawn, Garrison and 2 Outposts in one shot. It was insane
Some proper info here. Thank you for keeping the new players informed!
This video is so helpful, useful and informative. Thanks mono.
Everything, every single point you talked about, I feel called out on each one of them,
Excellent video! This info is equivalent to many hours of rinse and repeating strategy errors - I've just bought the console version - thanks for potentially keeping me sane(ish).
Peasant
I used a mic for the first time today in a match and I was squad leader. My squad mates were very kind and showing me the ropes with this very concept of proper OP/Garisson placements.
And yes it is very much more fun as well as strategically superior this way. Hell Let Loose community is very newbie friendly :)
This is very well done and a very intuitive video, nice one 👍
Played for the first time lastnite, this makes more sense now lol
My biggest problem is almost NOONE talks in this game! Communication is key in games like these.
You really have to force communication onto people. A lot of new players aren't used to it or are shy about it. If you ask questions, give commands and so on, people tend to react and it gets the ball going.
the style of gameplay is much more similar to rising storm vietnam than it is to battlefield, albeit on a much larger scale than what RS:V had.
really cool video, I don't know how I just get to your video but hey thanks for the information, even I don't play the game, it seems you make me interested in the game
Lol that's awesome! Check out the other videos and see if you wanna try it out.
@@monoespacial Yeah man i will
Liked just for the Up Periscope clips. Love that movie
It's so much fun
This game really needs a tutorial for new players like squad has.
It's still in early access, but I agree, hopefully they can add one by v1.0
Should mention that even if NOT in circle you do capture, by being inside circle one body counts as 3, so it is important to be inside circle if your team dont have numbers to capture
The biggest failing of HLL is that you need to watch UA-cam videos to understand it. I have played it twice and am running around as a rifleman not knowing what the hell I am doing! Some people don't have hours to understand the basics, looking after the kids, shopping, working etc.., gets in the way.
Yeah, it's biggest problem is that there isn't a tutorial. That said, if you have a few minutes to watch a beginners guide while in the bathroom or something, the problem is solved, and you'll learn more from a few videos in like 40min than in 10 hours in the game.
Violence speed and momentum is key to winning the match. Overwhelm the enemy push forward and cap points as quickly as possible. This is not a timed game it can be won very quickly
Blitzkrieg
More people need to see this.
30 likes. Wow! Thanks for the comment! Please share the video then!
I see you've met Bill D. Garrison
Or maybe he met me...
While collecting inside the point, you either Keep or Lose that point. If defending, being inside the Point can relive the pressure of having your defenses gone completely. There is SOME enemy inside that perimeter. Your team counts as three times that of the enemy in defense. The enemy is not spawning inside for long if you keep your point. That will destroy their attack. Then clean up is required. If OFESIVE play. That would be the only thing to do.
Warfare mode. Same thing. The job isn't done when you get the new objective. Enemy within ad enemy without. Sweep and clear. Will all 50 players be inside. I haven't seen that yet. Some are still on their way to the party ( Both modes) And there is usually more than one garrie spewing troops out. I get my squads on the Point. We can deal with the rest after contested. Those enemy garries will be delt with. They are a timed dispensed and they are better seen when large numbers come out. In Offensive mode, defending, the enemy are probably gathered close to wire. But, I have yet to see that in my play time. Offense/Defense in either Warfare or Offensive modes have their separate tactics. Both sides are stretched out searching anyway.
I believe what you are speaking about applies more to Offensive mode. Yet, my thoughts are to jump on the Point and see what happens. After all, the offense probably has no OPs inside the point at the beginning. If they do forget about going outside the wire to look for them.
Place garrie s in and out of strong point. Nothing is wrong OPs inside. Support garries are needed.
Good points and have to expand on subject.
Great video, only point i would like to make is, the music. Even though i generally enjoy the style its a bit to distracting. I would rather have no music or a much lower sound with different type of music.
This is super helpful! thanks.
Thanks man! Im a new player and this will really help me get better!
I believe they updated the game so now you have to hold F on garis in order to take them down. Makes defending a bit easier
Yup, they've made some changes to how garrisons work but the fundamental points of the video are still relevant.
Dam good vid Sir. Do you have one on effective radius of supplies? And other structures which have a radius effect? Whether they impede other structures etc?
Supplies have a radius of 50m and anything that needs them can be built within that radius (AT guns, garrisons). You can't seem to build 2 garrisons with one set of supplies though! Structures can be built pretty close to one another.
@@monoespacial i'm presuming that 2 Garrison points have to be 150m away from each other, therefore you'll never be able to do it from 1 supply? ANyhoo, thank you for the reply, really appreciate it.
This is sound advice, if you are new to this game listen to this guy.
+1 to everything you said in this video.
Problem also , most newer players come from other FPS games like COD and BF. They bring that mentality into HLL as well as bring the same tactics and “skill” and they’ll involuntarily sabotage their team. That’s how crazy teamwork is important in HLL. Flexing KD don’t work in HLL.
Just now seeing this video and the quake 2 soundtrack is kicking hard in the back!!
Again I think a lot of this comes back to Team 17 needs to put a basic tutorial/firing range in the game like Post Scriptum. They expect the player to just learn some advanced concepts from a game that is essentially the more realistic Battlefield. It's the same as people being obsessed with killing which really doesn't score points to say dropping supplies or building a node.
with garrison placement i always try to get 3 down on the offensive mode, one in strong point, one behind somewhere then a defensive one in front of it
Should you mainly be on your squad chat or proximity
This makes a lot of sense, thank you!
WOW a year makes a difference. This game has come so far since here, but the message remains the same. MAP CONTROL!!
I really like your guides keep it up!
strong point is still important though. I Always lose points because ppl are standing next to the circle but not in it
That is true.however, I play as commander a lot as, is and used to position a triple garri placement around the point with a 4th one in the center as a proximity beacon. However, as the uploader pointed out, this inherently spawns new players and inexperienced squadleads directly in the center, and not on any of the tri-position garris So i stopped asking for the center one. Key is to order your squadleads to pour in infantry from those garris to the sp.
Usually getting people at the center only gets them killed by artillery
Good information and nicely put together. However sometimes peoples will to have fun is higher than the will to "win". Running around clearing garrisons is good, but I find it to get boring in the long run. Fighting in the middle where all the action is, is a blast! Deleting garrisons, to use your own analogy with the submarine is like bombing the harbour instead of attacking the enemy submarine. Yea it's smart and wins wars, but is it fun?
I know they are constantly reworking the garrison system, and I hope to see further changes in the future. Somehow it should be so that your team can spawn in areas you control, not where a sneaky commander runs solo and drops a garrison behind everyone.
People forget or don't know that playing defense, replacing lost garrisons and hunting down squads attempting to attack, shutting down enemy airheads and properly flanking the enemy leads to a whole lot of combat that's not just a meat-grinder.
Players complain they just run and get shot all the time, which is exactly what happens when you go head-on against the enemy.
So, I'd correct what you said about people wanting fun as the reason why they don't engage in that other playstyle. It's not that they're seeking more fun, it's that they aren't giving a single thought to what's going on, the tactics, the objectives, the meta or pretty much anything that requires a moderate amount of thought to fuel your gameplay decisions. They just see a red ball on their hud and go straight towards it-
2:18 I was like how do you deploy a manikin
Love how Dixx allows aimbotters in their servers and ESP'ers and all that jaz.
What are you talking about?
I should point out to casuals from someone who plays this game like an actual military would. The entire point of why Hell Let Looses works with capturing is because it's supposed to work with flanking and maneuvering to achieve your objective rather than using straight brute force. The problem is that I've seen too many games where the officers don't do their jobs because they do not understand the power that officers have. All officers can talk to each other regardless of distance while the others can only talk within their own squads or in the range of distance. The command has two jobs and I find that they only do half of it. Your job is to make sure your army has resources to get supplies and support to where it's needed while also making sure to direct the intent of battle. I find that the commander as a hard time doing the latter and thus the local squad commanders are usually left in charge of their own units to direct their squads. So instead of getting proper flanking and maneuvering, you typically see very little if at all while each squad will get tactical but have no help between squads with leaves to brute force attacks. I've only been in one match where the Commanders and Squad leaders had their shit together and were working in sync perfectly and we destroyed the enemy. Most CoD players come into this game and play it like CoD just to get sniped and bitch about it. I find Battlefield players tend to work within squads as I said. Hell Let Loose was designed with the idea of a RTS game but done in FPS. Players who play this game with "the RTS mindset" tend to be the best officers.
Exactly! Well said!
Awesome info. Well said.
Couldn't tell you how many arguments I've gotten into with people who don't understand this concept.
As one of the senior members and leaders in game of FLL, there is very little I disagree with this. Tutorial material this one.
Aaah now i understand thx the upload. 👍
Just bought this game... should arrive tomorrow. I'm so excited. Battlefield 2042 is bad and I wouldn't dare go back to Duty. This seems like the most sense to buy.
Hope you enjoy Dying simulator 2022
most important video youve made
Why doesnt this game have in game tutorials? I realize there is a wall of text you can read, but in game tutorials would go a long way to introducing new players to the games mechanics.
I agree. Also that wall of text is barely informative because it lacks context. It's just a dictionary for in-game terms, really.
Im at the point where this realization has dawned on me naturally and I am now enjoying the game far less because it frustrates me to see that no one is playing the game right
I wish there was a tutorial in the game to learn about this sort of thing.