"Big Boy" 4018 Moves to Frisco
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- The Museum of the American Railroad finalized the move of its rolling stock collection in August 2013 with the epic move of Union Pacific Big Boy 4018. The move from the museums previous location at Fair Park in Dallas, Texas to it's new home in Frisco, Texas drew the attention of railfans from around the world. This video captures the move from Dallas to Frisco. This was the first time this Big Boy has seen the main line in 48 years.
And now, 8.5 years later, 4014 is running oil-fired after a few years of rebuild in the cheyenne steam shop in Wyoming... It's nice to see 4018 in great condition even when it's not planned to go in service again. Such a piece of history should be taken care of just like you did.
Thank you sir.
I was a railroader my whole career. My jaw still hits the ground when I see one of the amazing behemoths. It's not only astonishing that they can even move, what's even more unbelievable, is the little piece of steel rail that can support and not crush beneath it. Wow
It just amazes me that the 4018 is just one of 8 Big Boys saved! EIGHT!! Compare this to short-sighted railroads like the NYC that saved NONE of the fabulous Hudsons, or Niagaras. Not a single one! UP was first-class then...even more so in today's world of railroading!
Steam engines back then were considered dirty, uncomfortable, high maintenence dinosaurs, and the railroads were bleeding money, barely surviving. So they sold everything they had for scrap, and even then, most didn't survive. While I feel bad that so many 'wonderful' steam engines didn't escape the salvage yard's torch, I understand why it was done, the same reason everything else in the U.S.A. is done: $$$$$$$ and greed. Give some executive VP a choice between bonus $$$$ for himself and a historical machine, guess what wins every single time. Same reason Pennsylvania Station in NYC was destroyed. $$$$$$$!
Back in the NYC’s day they were struggling to pay bills and needed money. They didn’t care if they saved any or not, and management was keen on looking modern and efficient. The steamers had to go… be glad we have any NYC steam.
@d.e.b.b5788 steam engines are still superior regardless
I am English , so we are not used to this . The sheer size of this locomotive is just bloody mind blowing . Thank God for internet tech' for just letting us see this beautiful monster !
Burt, I agree with you. Thank God for internet technology. It allows all of us to see things around the world that we would otherwise never see. It has opened the world to all of us! It is an amazing machine, and Union Pacific has now restored one of the remaining Big Boy locomotives, # 4014. Check out some of the videos on this machine. I can't wait to see it running under steam.
It would be nice to see 4018 fully restored and operational
We already have 4014
4014 is already doing that
I hope union Pacific will rebuild the last cab forward next
They don’t have one
@@beznomane
That's Southern Pacific.
Agreed. Nice blend of well composed shots, narration and music. Great to see this giant moving and the crowds that even a display loco can draw.
Thank you so much for the kind words.
I saw #4014 being moved earlier this year and the experience was one you cannot find words for especially when they blew the whistle, and he was lead by an SD70M UP #4884 and had a UP SD70MAc heritage unit #1995 Southern Pacific on the tender pushing.
Beautiful machines indeed and looking forward to seeing him back on the rails in service in the future.
I do hope this Big Big gets back in service in the future. Also diggin' The Santa Fe "F" units there. I remember seeing these running mainline for KCS growing up in the early 80's.
A side note: My great grandfather actually ran one of these in the 40's. Someplace i have old black and white pics of him in the cab waving and standing on the front catwalk.
Amazing video guys.
Thank you East Texas Productions . Changed my mind about calling her a monster , should have said WORK OF ART . Sorry about that . 10 out 10 to U.P. for the bravery and funding of the whole project . Well done to U.P. and all the team . well done America .
Took my boy down to our local UP yard when 844 was here overnight. WOW... Great crew, very friendly - can't wait to visit 4018 with him when (if) it gets done and running!
Its been less then 48 years for a big boy prior to this move. 4012 was moved from Vermont to Pennsylvania in the 80's. One of the most overlooked big boy moves.
It is overlook because of all those that remain this one is in seriously bad condition. It was passed over by UP for restoration as being too far gone. That museum has done a wonderful job of destroying its integrity.
@@organbuilder272 it’s not “too far gone”. UP considered many factors when going after a specific big boy to restore. Condition wouldn’t have mattered with how much they tore down 4014.
i am glad that the UP is doing this! A real piece of history. Thank you!
Awesome video my friend!!
LUV it!!
Well done !!
Thank you James.
Very nice work. Thanks for putting such a nice piece together.
Thank you very much.
Loved the little boy shouting ‘Big Boy, Big Boy!!
I really loved this video. I can't wait to visit Frisco, Texas and see it fully restored.
Beautiful!
Thank you Dennis.
Very nice to see a UP "big boy" type locomotive in motion besides the 4014, it is great that the 4018 has been moved to a new museum home & is being well cared for now.
The silver paint on the fire box and smoke box is beautiful.
Very cool video, glad i found it.
i live in frisco and i saw big boy at the newt rain museum next to heretige museum
2013 will be the first time in I don't know how long that 2 big boys will move
nice video and great catch of the big boy steam engine.
Thank you!
My real name is Michael McCluskey. I have an HO scale Rivarossi Big Boy #4001. I've loved steam locomotives since I was a young kid and saw them moving trains.
It really shows how heavy the Big Boy is by all the extra cars they are using for braking and it looks like they all have loads in the tanks to give the extra weight for the brakes to stop the train when needed.
What an Elegant Train !!!
I believe if you look close you will see that the connecting rods have been cut with a torch and the pistons may still be in it
Yes, the rods are cut. I've been told why they were cut but I don't remember the story on it. But yes, they are all cut.
As a steam buff born in the U.K. I can confirm the interest a fully running Big Boy would create, in the U.K. there are literally hundreds of restored steam locomotives and period rolling stock which offer day long trips over the most picturesque routes. Added to that a brand new steam locomotive was recently built, the Tornado and put into regular mainline passenger service, from the evidence a restored locomotive of the uniqueness of 4018 would get a lot of interest, I now live in Europe but I hope to be visiting Texas again later this year and Frisco is now on my agenda, if only to appreciate the size and history of this magnificent locomotive.
What year was the Tornado built in? Thinking about brand new steam locomotives, it would be cool if Union Pacific did the same thing, or even cooler if they built a brand new 26th 4000 series locomotive.
The project was started back in the nineties, check out the website www.a1steam.com for full details. It first went into service I believe in 2009.
The big boy 4014 just pulled out of Cheyenne getting ready for its debut. Who ever thought it could happen.
Keep us posted!
@@EastTexasProductions You can find videos of it now, like here ua-cam.com/video/q4ftIM4jP0A/v-deo.html and everywhere else. The Locomotive was out of the shop on April 27th 2019 to test it's whistle, then on April 30th 2019, it moved on it's own power out of the Cheyenne Steam Shop later that night. Then on May 2nd, It started a test run from Cheyenne, to Greeley, CO then back to Cheyenne before it's "The Great Race To Ogden". According to Union Pacific's Website, 844, The Living Legend, and Big Boy 4014 will be double heading on May 4th, Then Double Heading Back again to Cheyenne.
I would like to see 4012 and 4018 restored with 4014 personally
It will take millions but that would be a absolute dream I've personally seen and got to be up in the 4014 and have a part off the train in self im very fortunate.
I couldn't even bear the thought of these locomotives being scrapped. Of the 25 that were built... only 8 remain?? I'd have to wonder what happen to the other 17 of them. I can only hope these 70+ year old locomotives will be preserved for many years to come.
And one day.. All these SD70's and ES44's will be scrapped and people will be saving a handful to restore.
Adriel Green only 2 challengers out of the 100+ survive. 3985 and 3977.
I agree this video is outstanding. Comments made about the rods getting cut...hmmm. Actually, I was there to see it. My father was in charge of Santa Fe Northern Division maintenance of way at the time. He took me with him that day. I sat all day on the hillside before the entrance into the park watching it move a mere few feet all day. The reason they had to be cut was to allow all the wheels to move freely. The track was older track, not mainline (smaller height), and had a sharp curve. Can't very well stick a straight line in a curve. Because of all the angles, dad had me stay well up on the hill about 30 yards up, for fear it would turn over. His greatest fear was the safety of his men working to get it into the museum. Eventually, they got it done and stayed for many, many years. Steamers are such a nightmare to maintain and are incredibly dirty to run, but are a tremendous part of our history of industrial growth. Dad never talked much about things...dangers from his days as a WWII B24 bombardier to the end of his railroad days as a district engineer for Plains Division in Amarillo...I had to squeeze it all out of him. Some of the most dangerous industrial accidents in transportation involved rail (read about or ask a firefighter about a well known bleve training video). I was so happy to see that old F7 pick it up and pull it out. Lot of good memories. Again it is indeeded absolutely great video. I will share it with dad's grandkids and great grandkids.
you can almost hear her chime whistle!
i bet those people with track side houses were like wow cool so thats a plus to living by the tracks
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It looks like a preview of 4014!
I love this TRAIN
She's a real beauty, Simon
East Texas Productions going to the west coast this August on our Ducati , 5 week ride and a trip to see 4014 in Wyoming is on the docket !!!😄😄
They were built between 41 and 44.
Used to live in Dallas back in the '80's-saw 4018 many times. Somebody educate me- I don't know the correct term for them, but I remembered from then that the main rods connecting the pistons to the drive wheels had been cut (which I thought was horrible, like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa). You can see it early on in this video at :41-:48. Good to see her moving again, though.
Piston rod is correct. My best guess is it was easier to lubricate the axle, rod, and crosshead bearings than the cylinders with the pistons inside. Dry pistons would have been a large friction problem. Regretably the fastest, least expensive, and easiest way of moving the loco at the time was to cut the piston rods. The idea of rebuilding obviously didn't enter the picture.
A bit late on this reply, but from what the museum personnel told me, Roy Reynold's answer is just about correct. I was told by the staff the the rods were cut by Union Pacific when the locomotive was given to the museum, and moved to it's property. I can't swear to that information but that is what the staff told me.
Look at it on Google Earth, apparently the ground pictures were taken before it arrived but the aerial pictures show it isolated behind a fence near a parking lot so it can be seen from a distance. Parked outside to the element so it will continue to rust away. Guess the cab walk thru promise did not work out.
I can't wait til 4014 is done
Hunter Baker yes sir. I'm excited to see that beauty steaming again
Magnificent.
Thank you, sir
18 looks to be better off than 14 is as far as drivers go!
Not any more.
that big boy is saying pifft you tiny diesels can't push me I am way too heavy
I imagine he's just glad to be moving at all right now.
if the big boy had a vouce he would be saying "after all these years i move i finally move"
lol, good way of thinking about it.
Michael Susens caught that train!
4018 in this video looks like brand new but when I saw it at the museum it was raining and looked as if it were rusting away.
Bruce Tharpe when I saw it, it looked brand new! It was in the blazing Texas heat, 95°F.
need to restore it
So Two Engines Of Big Boy was moved in 2013.
4014
4018
4012 was moved when Steamtown relocated back in the 80's.
I'm not an American steam fan, but I absolutely love the Union Pacific Big Boy *still prefer my LBSC A1X Terriers though XD*
I wonder if UP tried to get this one? Ended up with 4014 out in California. Moving it to Cheyenne soon for rebuild and RUN it!
They did look at this one and the proud musems of texas are so proud of the sad condition of this engine that they were bypassed for consideration. This thing is one of the remaining engines and is amount those in really BAD condition. Pain on the outside hides the rust and corrocion inside that renders this thing an candidate for the scrap pile. When you see pieces of it torced - you can immediately tell the level of concern for the care and maintenance of this machine.
Its great that she is up and running under her own steam
#4014 is running again. Sadly, #4018 (in this video) has no plans that I know of to ever run again.
Unless the museum has a truck load of 💰, it'll never run again
why did they remove the pistons from the cylinders?
The Pistons were removed to protect the cylinders. when the loco is in steam lubricating oil is carried into the Cylinders with the steam. If you are towing a loco a long distance you have two choices, 1, have the Loco in light steam for lubrication purposes or 2 "Rods off" this is the practice of removing the coupling rods from the pistons. If You watch 1960's films of British Steam locos being towed for scrapping almost all have the coupling rods removed. This is the first time that I have seen pistons out for towing, This makes less sense to me as you still have to lubricate the roatating rods.
To bad the narrator from the museum isn't up on his facts, The big boys were almost all built in 1941 before the US entered the war in December, and even then would have been planed and conceived before 1941, also the steel used for them would have been hard to defend to the war department as a better use than tanks, and ships.
I think that union Pacific should restore this one and others. Or get many of these historical steam engines running. I know 4014 is gonna be restored.
Go check out 4014s latest news!
Restore it and run it on the main
Why do they put the tankers between the train
Brian some of the experienced railroaders can weigh in on this better than I can, but I believe it has something to do with the handling of the train.
Will it be restored or just for display?
+rhallphotography Thanks.
+rhallphotography If there is a current restoration project ongoing on a Big Boy, right now would be the perfect time to get momentum going for the #4018 to be restored if it is ever going to happen. By the time the #4014 is finished, the people with the expertise and experience with this design will be there and the people who can fabricate and restore the work necessary will be on hand also. There is really no point in letting such an incredible piece of history rust on the inside, no matter how pretty you keep it on the outside. It was meant to operate and it should be restored to operating condition. Do think on it. The time is ripe. Someday it will be degraded enough that it won't be restorable and the men and women with the experience will no longer be with us to keep these marvels of engineering operating.
dose CSX have old historical stuff like this? or is it a more modern company?
+David Vermillion CSX is a conglomeration of Railroads that formed ConRail, before that Penn Central which combined the NYC and Pennsylvania, etc. Among split Roads (Railroads that were sold to more then 1 other road and corridors and mainlines sold to 1 or the other road. So CSX has little respect or care for their history yet alone railroad history. West of the Mississippi things held together better. The UP, KCS, and BNSF dominate the network and show a great deal of respect for railroading history. Out east its a sad story, but NS holds promise even though they have to cancel further excursions due to a take over battle by CN.
HotRod Buick Thanks for answering my question. That is sad, Its hard to think of what pieces of history were just fed to the scrapyard.
+David Vermillion At the time they were just old locomotives. Like how they scrapped cars from the 40s and 50s in the 70s and 80s, but today we wouldn't dream of doing that. Having history be replaced by something new gives us a respect and priceless value for what remains.
It would be nice if they would restore 4018 like they did 4014
I hope 4018 will run again :(
4018 may run soon. Up in the past 8-9 months finished restoring Big Boy 4014
WHY DID THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE PISTONS?
to reduce wear and tear that is unnecessary.
You wouldn't walk on a broken leg, now would you? They'd probably need to make new ones anyway.
I think that it should be mandatory that any steam locomotive moves in the country should only be done with the u.p bigboy.
Are they going to restore the union Pacific engine 4018
Stephen, as far as I know there are no plans to restore 4018. It has been on static display in the Dallas area (now in Frisco) since the early 60's. As far as I know, there are no plans to restore it to running condition.
@@EastTexasProductions okay there just going to keep it like that
@@stephenswift5531 As far as I know yes. I haven't talked to anyone at the museum in a while, but I haven't heard any plans of any changes other than static display. Still worth seeing though if you are ever near any of the 7 remaining Big Boy's on static display.
@@EastTexasProductions however there's one union Pacific big boy that is restored that is union Pacific big boy 4014
It nice they
THIS IS THE 4018 WHERE ARE THE OTHERS WHERE IS 4016 IT SUPPOSED TO HAVE SURVIVED
The 8 surviving Big Boy locomotives are 4004, 4005, 4006, 4012, 4014, 4017, 4018 and 4023.
if only she could go under her own steam.
Why can't it move on its own
It is too old. Needs some work. If you were to try to fire it up, it would explode.
Yes, gratifying. We have out locomotive. It will never move, collection of old engines and cars that will soon not be of interest whent he novelty wears off. Heritage site - what will you be doing to demonstrate all this heritage.
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so sad to see dallas yet again lose a piece of history.this train should have stayed at fair park but the rich folk in frisco had their way. hell you shoulda bought the cotton bowl and big tex too!!!!
Check out my channel for the 4014 leaving the fairplex here in Pomona ca. to get restored. Hate to see the Big Boy go.
how did this narrator get his job. 4018, or any of the bigboy class were NOT the biggest by a long shot., 4018 belongs on the road, and if not, in dallas.
why does frisco get 'er?
that is where the museum moved
Interesting = You are so proud of the engine that you cut the rods witha torch instead of unbolting them. So proud of it that when UP came looking for an engine to restore 4018 was in such poor condition that it was rejected. You want to possess this thing but you have no interest in the locomotive. You would worry about restoring it instead of adding to your collection. You have no interest in heritage when you cut up a machine like this. That was only the first cut of many that will eventually reduce this to rubble headed for the blast furnace. And then there were 7. You make a big noice about heritage but until you restore this to working condition it is all just a bunch of hoopla. You can not possibly maintain a fleet of derilict cars and engines in pristine condition.
Robert from what the museum staff told me when we shot this, Union Pacific cut the rods prior to moving the locomotive to the museum. Presumably to make it easier to move. But from what I understand, the museum did NOT cut the rods.
@@EastTexasProductions Hi, Thanks for the comment. I can't believe that UP cut the rosa. They could just unbolt the con rods and take them off the cross hard. In any case it stands that instead of this "Museum" rebuilding this locomotive to full funtional operation, they would rather jealously keep it and let it turn into a pile of rust form the inside out. Paint on machinery like that in not a preservative. Having it stan on rails just gives and idea of size and not how it work or what it can do. Nice of you to do the story, but that foes not change anything except the location of a rusting, useless wreck.
she is the worst shaped big boy I was told they torched her rods off
4005 is actually the one in the worst shape as many parts are missing because it was the only Big Boy to ever derail and was kinda pieced back together. I think 4017 was the one UP originally wanted to restore but the museum wouldn't give it up and 4014 was the next best candidate.
Steve W well Ed Dickinson said they went looking for big boys and found out that 4014 boiler was good enough to be fired up again it was in a UA-cam video about 4014
Why bother. As long as it is outsid it is just a pile of rust waiting to happen. So it is in great condition but there it is sitting nowhere doing nothing.. Do you really think that looking at that thing idle, silent, lifeless, it going to give anyone a real sense of what they are, what they can do? No.
Is funny how trains are attractive to males XD
Women too
its scrapped.
Check your eyesight. This Big Boy is very much preserved...