At least this might make your opponent leak rather badly, and yet is much safer for you thanks to the chain link keeping the edge in the orientation you expect.
If what i heard about "the messier the cut the more painful it is" is true then being cut by that thing should be a torture, but non-lethal after what i saw here
The urumi is actually just as dangerous to the user as you think, it has to be the last weapon taught in most Indian martial arts because if you aren't a master you'll certainly hurt yourself or someone else with it (this is why the people you see with it are unarmored, they're the best India has to offer). There's a reason such a portable, easily-concealable and mass-producible weapon is almost exclusively used ceremonially nowadays in one of the most dangerous countries on earth.
@@Skylancer727 Yeah, the Indians have made so many absolutely insane weapons you'd expect at least a couple to be wonky. It's probably a contender for worst historical weapon that saw significant use.
@@TheHatShallDie And it was used almost exclusively by armoured or shield using masters against unarmoured opponents or in master level martial arts displays. Anyone with a large shield could potentially defeat the sword in combat.
@@littlekong7685 I'd argue even someone with a long spear and no armor could probably do quite well. Keeping out at the very edge of its range allows you to thrust, your optimal plan of action with a spear, while limiting them to only shallow cuts.
Ivy's sword is also retractable, so it can be made into a regular sword. if you trigger the retraction at the right time, you completely negate the recoiling at the user danger, while also increasing its damage factor significantly. that said, it's also impossible to actually construct. plenty of well experienced and capable people have tried, and they've all come to the same conclusion. it's just not feasible.
@@LordFinite This. It's clearly inspired by the Urumi (just as Tira's is by the chakram), but even the designers of SC1 must've known it wasn't a very practical weapon, so had to add the magic element to it for the fighting style to be more believable. Not to mention Ivy's weapon can change between whip form and normal sword form.
I think it might require length. One of the things about sword whip is that it’s a mid-long range weapon. A normal whip is able to cut people and especially if their longer the end causes damage, even when not made for it. Imagine how deadly a cut from the tip would be if it was whip length
The longer it is the iffier it's reliability is. Not to mention the flexible nature means you can't induce full force in it. That will always be weaker than a normal sword.
A whip has decreasing mass from the handle to the tip because you send a wave through it and the light tip has to go very fast to conserve the energy of the heavy handle (thus the sonic boom) so I don't think the decreasing sized links make sense for this build because this is more like a flail sword if we can call it that, you can even avoid it bouncing back at you if you keep swinging it after it strikes the target without stopping your arm mid air, pretty much like the nunchaku.
@@bungeetoons of course it does hit him because that is a terrible advise and a misunderstanding of physics. a chain does not contract or expand noticeably. if you pull one end the other one follows. if you swing a chain it is straight, the tip and your grip are at maximum distance. as long as the handle moves the tip has to move as well. have you ever tried to hold a rope horizontally on two ends and pull it perfectly straight? it doesn't work. you can't fight the miniscule force of gravity. that's because orthagonal forces do not interact with each other. back to the chain: the main force is the handle pulling ("swing through"). hitting an obstacle with the tip adds a knockback force that is orthagonal to the pull - you can't fight it. this knockback force pushes the tip right into your elbow. now how to avoid a slapback? stop your arm just before the hit or radically change the direction of your swing to incorporate the knockback.
For a variation that is quite interesting: From the movie BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF (2001), main character Jean-François de Morangias' (Vincent Cassel) Hero Bone Sword. A whip sword of bone that with a "flick of the wrist" goes from sword to whip.
Another one that brings to mind that Stargate episode with colonel O’Neill explaining the difference between a weapon of terror and a weapon of war. At least a staff weapon isn’t actively dangerous to the user…
It would be cool if the segments were held together under tension and locked in place with a trigger on the hilt which unlocks the segments & reduces the tension, so you could extend it by pulling the trigger and swinging... then retract it at speed by releasing the trigger, reducing chance of hitting yourself on withdrawing and also slicing up the target if the sword wrapped around. Edit: You could even thrust if its made right.
I feel like it would probably be a bit more effective if it were longer, as the extra weight might make it less bouncy and more likely to wrap around or bite into things, but yeah, it's not a very effective weapon in general. The biggest use case I could potentially see for it is to attack around or disarm a shield bearer, and POSSIBLY to dismount someone on horseback, but that last one is a big stretch.
Hmmm there is way to improve it. Chain that connect blade should be same or lower thickness of the blades and should go inside blades segments (they must have segment pivot points on up and down of segment blades), rivets can be still pounded outside but must be flatted.
Making a urumi is not that difficult. Basically it is just some bandsaw blades with a handle. Using it without cutting your own throat is the hard part.
You know what would be cool, a whip sword using cable, loosen tension on the cable, becomes a whip, pull on the cable bringing the links together, stiffens it, becomes more sword.
That seems like a less effective cat-o'-nine-tails, only useful for scourging torture. What it did with the gourd looked similar, embedding briefly then tearing out, not really properly cutting.
Hi, just some notes if I may be so bold... So, each blade length should be sorta arrow shaped, forked on each tine at the handle facing end. You want the mobility but the links need to be shaped to provide a continuous edge. The linkage should be a single wire mounted in the sword tip link, preferably with an adjustable screw tensioner where it links in the hilt. Different tensions will enable different techniques. If that helps, and works out, it would be nice to have one. I am what you might call a swordwright. I make wooden swords that can cleave cardboard boxes, and a variety of other things. I can make you some if you like. Have a nice day...
As awesome as whip swords are, they really only work in science fiction and fantasy. Whip lightsabers also fall under this, as I can really see only a force user being able to adequately use one (I know they're but really popular, but I sorta like the idea of a whip lightsaber).
Fun fact: lightwhips (lightsabers that are whips) are weaker canonically than regular lightsabers. It is impossible to use in defense but it excels at offensive attacks. Still worse than regular one with a skilled Force user; but the only thing it's better at is disarming and disorienting
Totally agree, In those stories all the weapons are either magical, sentient, possessed by a spirit, or being manipulated by the user with some mystical power. Real life we don’t all those fancy tricks to empower said weapon.
a flail where you can move the spiky end with a magical force is a really really strong weapon that can go around most defenses and move in ways that your opponent can never predict. it's impossible in reality though.
Now what if the segments were diamond shaped? I bet it would slide a little more rather than dig and rip, maybe you could also have the segments closer together being that a diamond shape would allow for more movement closer together "hypothetically"
If you don't want to drill into your table/bench, a couple of large G/C clamps screwed down tight with hold your table top grinder in place very well, it's what I've used for years since mine's on a tiled kitchen island in a rented property; the kitchen is really a workshop full of motorcycles and other projects! LOL.
Yeah, Indian footsoldiers (contrary to nobility) weren't armoured much. A shield was their primary defense and the Urumi can simply wrap around and hit you regardless. Very difficult to defend against. Some of these whip swords have multiple, shorter floppy blades side by side, making them even scarier.
I agree with you. With an articulated weapon, you're fighting basic physics. The lack of rigidity always means there is less force applied to the target. Someone may attempt to improve your design by making the blade less flexible by shortening the links and shaping the segments differently; but, such a weapon would still never be as effective as a regular blade.
When you were test the wrap-around on Tony, the thought that went through my mind was that you needed a heavier tip to help it bite in. But I'm not a weapon designer and have certainly never used a real whip (or whip like weapon). So I will defer to you about the efficacy of that adjustment. Fun video, though. At least you have a unique vegetable slicer.
I kind of like it as a weapon for some kind gladiatoral combat in a fictional setting. Cool looking, draws blood on unarmored body parts and if you put some armor on the vital parts, you don't risk the live of your expensive combat slaves.
Thanks for the video, Tyranth. Have you experimented with different chain lengths? You opted for 3 chain links per gap but what if you did only two or maybe even just one? There has to be a way.
I'd suggest watching NjordArtisans whipsword video; he figured out how to make it *retract* so that the blade could come together. If you did that, & gave each segment male & female parts to *lock* together when you retracted it, that'd give some rigidity *back* to it when it's in sword form. Also, if you *follow through* with the swing instead of stopping on impact, it *won't* bounce back, Skallagrim showed a clip *demonstrating* as much in his flail video.
Would be interesting to see it but with the length of the actual Urumi. The difference in kinetic energy might help it a lot also seeing it clash with an actual blade. Though it being longer and having that ridged bike chain would make it tangle even more then it did already.
So basically: It's a bad sword. But it can be intimidating. It can probably be painful against minimally-armored opponents. It would likely be hard to block, if given more length... but you'd basically have to fully commit to a swing, and you can't formation fight with a long version of it. Its best use would probably be for psyching someone out. So.... it might best be compared to be a butterfly knife for practicality.
The first time I remember seeing an Urumi was the sword collector opponent on Rurouni Kenshin. As for the weapon Tyranth made, he totally whipped it, design-wise. I imagine after using it while trying not to damage things that aren't the target (such as user or allies), would leave you feeling pretty whipped. That thrust was able as powerful as the bite of a bowl of whipped sweet cream. I'm sorry, I can chain together any more jokes talked to this particular weapon. I think my brain has given up trying to link together any reasonable connections. I fully enjoyed the video, it's just a shame the magic guidance, extension, retraction, and sword mode couldn't work. The edge alignment was neat, though
So like... whip swords, are either. Super ultra great swords. or terrible vs anything with shirts or thicker armor. But like zabimaru would be lethal. Make a thick 1 foot panel blade. Put the Chain in the bottom of one side, and the opposite corner of the bottom side of another. And bam. 3 or 4 panels and the gap would make your sword go from 5 foot, to 10. Pew pew. COol.
10:43 you see Tyranth, I think this is the problem most people do when trying to replicate whip swords: they make swords as whips and not whips as swords; as in making a sword in pieces and connected, I don't know others IP in which this is used but Ivy from Soul Calibur uses the whip mode as a real whip and it's long as one to keep opponents at a bay like it was a pole weapon but more unpredictable and the real power is in the tip, the last two segments in which all the force will be transferred. Of curse it won't work vs armor but will wok better than making a short sword as a whip
I'm reminded of a sword made with a thin, very flexible spring steel band. kind of like a measuring band... showed up in an asian martial-arts movie with many other strange things. but really. in order for the chain sword to actually dig into the opponent I think the individual pieces need to have an edge all around. otherwise they would cut in, and then get stuck with their blunt ends. similar designs are to be seen throughout the animes where they use chain swords. maybe it would work better if the pieces were round, or ellipsoidical?
Too bad you do not have the machining to run wires through the parts so they could be pulled tight or loosened, A serrated edge might tear up the squash more. Just glad you did not get hurt, stay safe and healthy.
Whip swords would be amazing if magic or sci-fi materials existed. There are 2 main problems. One is the one everybody knows about, which is that you need a way to keep edge alignment. The other, that nobody ever talks about, is that you need the hinges/joints to be mobile, but not free. You don't want a dangling chain with blades on it, you want a whip. Whips are not ropes. They have structure and stiffness to them. They are only very flexible towards the very end/tip. That would allow more power transfer and more control, and therfore more effectiveness.
That's interesting! I think it might have some potential - first of all what if there is handle a bit longer than the length of blade/chain part? Or even polearm-like deal with ~2 m pole and 1 m blade/chain. Way safer and much more leverage to transmit power. You could then add more weight to the end and have flail that still does damage when you hit with the chain. Also there is some room for improvement in the edge part itself - there should be some way to improve blade segment corners to bite deeper (or at least make bites more nasty). Still shit against armor though. And yeah I know it's still much more work to make worse weapon than simple blade. Great material, keep up the good work :)
Perhaps you might have a better time testing out something like Fulgore’s quad blades from the fighting game series *Killer Instinct* due to the blades being mounted on-top of his wrist gauntlets. Plus, it would look pretty cool to test out his his blades as well as see if his helmet can be created as a true knight’s helmet.
the most interesting part of this besides the tits is the fact you actually decided to make your own iteration vs either buying something or borrowing from another youtuber,bravo on that, nice to see the care to put in effort and individual ideas.
Most of the cool sword-whips work due to magic in their franchises. I think it helps in working with them. In practice, which boring "spear-whip" would be more convenient (lol). But everything always comes down to the chronicles of real military actions and what soldiers actually armed themselves with.
The problem with cutting Tony is that his rubber exterior is way, way harder than the pumpkin/squash. It'd be better tested on a block of gelatin (not even a ballistic dummy).
Couple of critiques. 1) how can you use this weapon effectively when you are not scantily clad in a leather thong. You need to embrace your inner ivy. 2) if it were switchable would there EVER be a situation that this could be advantageous? I don’t think so but I mean Ivy makes it WORK.
So, what would happen if you replaced the tip of that whip sword with a bigger and heavier tip? That was just as sharp of course. More bounce back? Less bounce back? More bite? Less bite? As an outside observer, it's the mass distribution that seems to play a big part of that. Hopefully this helps.
The benefits that the weapon has is its unpredictability and its ability to strike past a blocking weapon or shield - like a flail. But a flail has a whole lot of weight on the end that you are supposed to strike with, providing momentum and limiting the chance it will bounce back at you. Even then, I know a lot of people who hate flails.
8:25 probably a better option for a garrote rather than trying to use momentum. because aligned decently assuming the material doesn't break and you find some miracle way to hold it without lacerating your palms you might be able drive at least one blade into the neck. how far would depend on the blade size but it could work in theory.
Immediate flaw: The bike-chain-sections present a DULL edge & so do the in-between areas of the 'sword' pieces. So even though the sharpened 'sword' edges bite they don't go very deep before being pulled out.
i'm guessing we're not AT that stage in Human advancement where we can have each of those tiny blades merge into one blade, so you can have two modes to the whip sword. chain mode and solid mode.
I don't remember who it was exactly but I saw video a while back where a guy made a retractable whip sword that actually worked pretty well. It broke but was also a really good concept. I really think it can be done.
I feel the urumi got the short end of the stick. Sure, it's a pain to handle (literally, as you can easily injure yourself) but I've seen demonstrations of fruit cutting with them and the cuts were clean, meaning that there was at least a modicum of edge alignment
I think the effectiveness can be increased with increased length and higher tip speed. I think these things were meant to have an advantage of overly long reach which had to be super thin so as to keep weight low. Probably more of an area control weapon with any real damage meant to be done with the accelerated tip. But yes would not be used against any armored opponents since in ancient world not many used much armor.
That it's essentially designed to be used like a whip and even slashing it into an exposed dummy did basically nothing is a good indicator of how deserved its reputation as ridiculous and impractical is.
The way it wrapped around the gourd and stabbed in on the back side made me think it might be capable of whipping down over a shield and doing some damage.
I would be interested in seeing what would happen if the number of bike chain links is decreased and the number of blades is increased. Also, the blades edge geometry could be better.
I'm gonna be honest, had my glasses off and my recommended was on screen, thought this was a Shadiversity video and was about to hit "do not recommend channel", glad I decided to put my glasses on beforehand and got to see a banger video. Anyways, whip keeps reminding me of the Durendel from Terraria! (But uh, definitely less effective!) And you do look cool in those glasses.
I feel like it doesnt work nearly as well because you're basically trying to apply and transfer the force of your swing into multiple blades which lowers the amount of force that each small blade gets, not to mention the amount of drag produced by it as opposed to just using a regular sword
I'm curious, do you think just a regular, maybe slightly longer bike chain, with maybe a bike pedal or something as weight attached to the end of it would be more effective? I know I'm basically describing a flail, not a whip, but semantics!
I've been watching What we do in the shadows with my girlfriend and when I opened UA-cam and she saw a thumbnail of screentested she said "What's Laszlo doing on UA-cam?". I'd never noticed the resemblance between Ty in his gambison and Laszlo in his 😁😂
It would actually be better if it was longer, because those things operate the same way a chain does. You are trying to drive a blade edge into an object on a focused point with centrifugal force and momentum
The type of whip sword's origin that influenced to later Anime & Video games is came from a mecha anime Panzer World Galient(1984)'s Galient's Galient sword.
I like the "whip sword" from Prince of Persia Two Thrones. I think a longer whip is needed to wrap around and dig in... but then it's tangled into one opponent, realistically. It would suck irl. In the game, it's cool.
Could you test attack on titan's ODM gear swords? It'd be interesting to see how oversized boxcutters stand up to your other weapons and how well they'd actually do when trying to carve a piece of flesh from a titan
You used 2 chain links between each blade segment. Would it have been possible to use just one? Would using a single link have any impact other than reducing the flexibility of the whip?
I was thinking of this as the concept for a whip sword, since always they show it as a chain that is floppy, never made sense if you can use a chain that goes only one way. I still think about other things that maybe could be done like a locking mechanism so that you can use it normally, or maybe a way for it to have an area it doesn't go past. But I am not an engineer, just a silly guy with silly ideas, but maybe in the future I'll find a way to make something.
The main issue is that through technology or "magic" the user of most fantasy whip swords can make them extend and go back to being stiff at will(no innuendo intended). Unfortunately our real life technology isn't really capable of doing that.
I wouldn't recommend trying due to the base risk for likely very little payoff, but I do wonder how a more whip-like design would fair, utilizing more whip technique than sword, as well as the force multiplier with a gradual decrease in mass towards the tip.
Hey Tyranth would you be willing to do a Ludwig’s Holy Blade (Bloodborne) build? I think that would be awesome! I also believe it would be right y’all’s wheelhouse of cool.
are all 4 sides of the metal pieces sharpened? to me it looked like the edges were quite thick, i'd theorize with razor sharp edges all around each piece and just the right spacing it might bite into soft targets similarly to how teethed swords/clubs do. of course that still should be inferior to a stiffer weapon, but maybe it would make for a few extra t.i.t.s. points?
"Look how floppy this is.", that's what she said.
I have no such weakness.
@@ScreenTested 😂
That's rough buddy...
It's like the nunchuck of swords.
Sword-chucks......
It just has the same problems like nunchucks.
Yo
Sword whip had swordysfunction.
At least this might make your opponent leak rather badly, and yet is much safer for you thanks to the chain link keeping the edge in the orientation you expect.
You should take this to Shad and ask him which he hates more, this or nunchucks.
YES!
whip sword= longer nunchuck with edges = more hate
"YOU HAD A PERFECTLY FINE STEEL 'STICK' AND YOU CUT IT INTO PIECES TO CREATE THAT?!?" *Saliva flies everywhere
If what i heard about "the messier the cut the more painful it is" is true then being cut by that thing should be a torture, but non-lethal after what i saw here
Its similar to what the Romans used with the cat o' 9 tails. A whip with bone and metal objects attached to cause as much flesh injury to the victim.
Time to pester Shad to buy an Urumi so you guys can test it.
The urumi is actually just as dangerous to the user as you think, it has to be the last weapon taught in most Indian martial arts because if you aren't a master you'll certainly hurt yourself or someone else with it (this is why the people you see with it are unarmored, they're the best India has to offer). There's a reason such a portable, easily-concealable and mass-producible weapon is almost exclusively used ceremonially nowadays in one of the most dangerous countries on earth.
Sounds like their own admission it's just a flawed design. Honestly even a retractable blade might be more functional.
@@Skylancer727 Yeah, the Indians have made so many absolutely insane weapons you'd expect at least a couple to be wonky. It's probably a contender for worst historical weapon that saw significant use.
@@TheHatShallDie And it was used almost exclusively by armoured or shield using masters against unarmoured opponents or in master level martial arts displays. Anyone with a large shield could potentially defeat the sword in combat.
@@littlekong7685 I'd argue even someone with a long spear and no armor could probably do quite well. Keeping out at the very edge of its range allows you to thrust, your optimal plan of action with a spear, while limiting them to only shallow cuts.
well that is redundant, if only used by the best, why would they only be unarmoured? "they are the best, therefor they have no armour" makes no sense
Doesn't mention Ivy from Soul Caliber.
Nice big, flexible movements. Interesting design.
Talking about the sword of course.
😏
Ivy is the first one I thought of when I saw whip sword
Ivy's sword is also retractable, so it can be made into a regular sword. if you trigger the retraction at the right time, you completely negate the recoiling at the user danger, while also increasing its damage factor significantly.
that said, it's also impossible to actually construct. plenty of well experienced and capable people have tried, and they've all come to the same conclusion. it's just not feasible.
@@TheAruruu I double checked Ivy's sword. Her sword is a living sword. So yes it's impossible to make.
@@LordFinite This. It's clearly inspired by the Urumi (just as Tira's is by the chakram), but even the designers of SC1 must've known it wasn't a very practical weapon, so had to add the magic element to it for the fighting style to be more believable.
Not to mention Ivy's weapon can change between whip form and normal sword form.
I think it might require length. One of the things about sword whip is that it’s a mid-long range weapon.
A normal whip is able to cut people and especially if their longer the end causes damage, even when not made for it. Imagine how deadly a cut from the tip would be if it was whip length
The longer it is the iffier it's reliability is. Not to mention the flexible nature means you can't induce full force in it. That will always be weaker than a normal sword.
but at that point, why not just attach a sharp disk or something to the end of... ya know, a whip. don't make it an entire sword.
A whip has decreasing mass from the handle to the tip because you send a wave through it and the light tip has to go very fast to conserve the energy of the heavy handle (thus the sonic boom) so I don't think the decreasing sized links make sense for this build because this is more like a flail sword if we can call it that, you can even avoid it bouncing back at you if you keep swinging it after it strikes the target without stopping your arm mid air, pretty much like the nunchaku.
But he did keep swinging and it still hit him
@@bungeetoons of course it does hit him because that is a terrible advise and a misunderstanding of physics.
a chain does not contract or expand noticeably. if you pull one end the other one follows.
if you swing a chain it is straight, the tip and your grip are at maximum distance. as long as the handle moves the tip has to move as well.
have you ever tried to hold a rope horizontally on two ends and pull it perfectly straight? it doesn't work. you can't fight the miniscule force of gravity. that's because orthagonal forces do not interact with each other.
back to the chain: the main force is the handle pulling ("swing through"). hitting an obstacle with the tip adds a knockback force that is orthagonal to the pull - you can't fight it. this knockback force pushes the tip right into your elbow.
now how to avoid a slapback? stop your arm just before the hit or radically change the direction of your swing to incorporate the knockback.
For a variation that is quite interesting: From the movie BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF (2001), main character Jean-François de Morangias' (Vincent Cassel) Hero Bone Sword. A whip sword of bone that with a "flick of the wrist" goes from sword to whip.
Another one that brings to mind that Stargate episode with colonel O’Neill explaining the difference between a weapon of terror and a weapon of war.
At least a staff weapon isn’t actively dangerous to the user…
6:57 I do heard it correctly. It was so quiet I thought it was my imagination but no, there was the Windows XP boot up amd error sound
Whoops
That was Tyranth's brain turning off and on again.
it was synced with the hit, so i thought it was intentional.
It would be cool if the segments were held together under tension and locked in place with a trigger on the hilt which unlocks the segments & reduces the tension, so you could extend it by pulling the trigger and swinging... then retract it at speed by releasing the trigger, reducing chance of hitting yourself on withdrawing and also slicing up the target if the sword wrapped around.
Edit: You could even thrust if its made right.
I feel like it would probably be a bit more effective if it were longer, as the extra weight might make it less bouncy and more likely to wrap around or bite into things, but yeah, it's not a very effective weapon in general. The biggest use case I could potentially see for it is to attack around or disarm a shield bearer, and POSSIBLY to dismount someone on horseback, but that last one is a big stretch.
~Now whip it. Whip it ... bad.~
A meat test would have been interesting.
Yes
Hmmm there is way to improve it. Chain that connect blade should be same or lower thickness of the blades and should go inside blades segments (they must have segment pivot points on up and down of segment blades), rivets can be still pounded outside but must be flatted.
Ivy from SC at least has a piece of soul edge giving it power. There is a magical aspect to justify how it works.
Making a urumi is not that difficult. Basically it is just some bandsaw blades with a handle. Using it without cutting your own throat is the hard part.
You know what would be cool, a whip sword using cable, loosen tension on the cable, becomes a whip, pull on the cable bringing the links together, stiffens it, becomes more sword.
That seems like a less effective cat-o'-nine-tails, only useful for scourging torture. What it did with the gourd looked similar, embedding briefly then tearing out, not really properly cutting.
Hi, just some notes if I may be so bold...
So, each blade length should be sorta arrow shaped, forked on each tine at the handle facing end.
You want the mobility but the links need to be shaped to provide a continuous edge.
The linkage should be a single wire mounted in the sword tip link, preferably with an adjustable screw tensioner where it links in the hilt.
Different tensions will enable different techniques.
If that helps, and works out, it would be nice to have one.
I am what you might call a swordwright.
I make wooden swords that can cleave cardboard boxes, and a variety of other things.
I can make you some if you like.
Have a nice day...
In regards to the pumpkin squash, just call it a gourd, no one can argue with that 😂
As awesome as whip swords are, they really only work in science fiction and fantasy. Whip lightsabers also fall under this, as I can really see only a force user being able to adequately use one (I know they're but really popular, but I sorta like the idea of a whip lightsaber).
Fun fact: lightwhips (lightsabers that are whips) are weaker canonically than regular lightsabers. It is impossible to use in defense but it excels at offensive attacks. Still worse than regular one with a skilled Force user; but the only thing it's better at is disarming and disorienting
Totally agree, In those stories all the weapons are either magical, sentient, possessed by a spirit, or being manipulated by the user with some mystical power. Real life we don’t all those fancy tricks to empower said weapon.
a flail where you can move the spiky end with a magical force is a really really strong weapon that can go around most defenses and move in ways that your opponent can never predict. it's impossible in reality though.
Ya, Most whip swords in anime and games looks like a sharp metal ribbon... like the Urumi.
Now what if the segments were diamond shaped? I bet it would slide a little more rather than dig and rip, maybe you could also have the segments closer together being that a diamond shape would allow for more movement closer together "hypothetically"
If you don't want to drill into your table/bench, a couple of large G/C clamps screwed down tight with hold your table top grinder in place very well, it's what I've used for years since mine's on a tiled kitchen island in a rented property; the kitchen is really a workshop full of motorcycles and other projects! LOL.
Ivy from Soul Calibur
The soul still burns.
Came here to say this, lol!
@@Ghostface13 Lizard Man though. Amirite?
Oh Ivy, always incredibly frustrating to fight
If only she actually did this little damage
First thing I thought when he said whip sword
The stabbing part was so hilarious. 🤣 Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
Tyranth, would love to see you make/test out the Lord of the rings Urak-Hai sword with the backspike. As always fascinated me ever since I saw it
Yeah, Indian footsoldiers (contrary to nobility) weren't armoured much. A shield was their primary defense and the Urumi can simply wrap around and hit you regardless. Very difficult to defend against. Some of these whip swords have multiple, shorter floppy blades side by side, making them even scarier.
Yep I can agree with Tyranth on that. With that being said I still wouldn't want Tyranth swinging it at me unless I had armor on.
I agree with you. With an articulated weapon, you're fighting basic physics. The lack of rigidity always means there is less force applied to the target.
Someone may attempt to improve your design by making the blade less flexible by shortening the links and shaping the segments differently; but, such a weapon would still never be as effective as a regular blade.
Ah, you see where you messed up was this whip sword isn't infused with a soul to make it obey your will 🤔
When you were test the wrap-around on Tony, the thought that went through my mind was that you needed a heavier tip to help it bite in.
But I'm not a weapon designer and have certainly never used a real whip (or whip like weapon). So I will defer to you about the efficacy of that adjustment.
Fun video, though. At least you have a unique vegetable slicer.
Tony's rubber exterior is way harder than a human. The squash is closer in effect to cutting a human.
It’s the @6:56 for me. Loveeee the computer CRASH noises!💜 👍🏻
No lie, watched it on repeat a few times lol 😂 Such a beautiful sound of failure lol. 😂
I kind of like it as a weapon for some kind gladiatoral combat in a fictional setting. Cool looking, draws blood on unarmored body parts and if you put some armor on the vital parts, you don't risk the live of your expensive combat slaves.
And they will not be able to use them to fight their guards effectively.
Thanks for the video, Tyranth.
Have you experimented with different chain lengths? You opted for 3 chain links per gap but what if you did only two or maybe even just one? There has to be a way.
I'd suggest watching NjordArtisans whipsword video; he figured out how to make it *retract* so that the blade could come together. If you did that, & gave each segment male & female parts to *lock* together when you retracted it, that'd give some rigidity *back* to it when it's in sword form.
Also, if you *follow through* with the swing instead of stopping on impact, it *won't* bounce back, Skallagrim showed a clip *demonstrating* as much in his flail video.
Would be interesting to see it but with the length of the actual Urumi. The difference in kinetic energy might help it a lot also seeing it clash with an actual blade. Though it being longer and having that ridged bike chain would make it tangle even more then it did already.
Judging by the pumkin test, if you hit someone in the head/face/neck, either they wouldn't wanna fight anymore, or they may not be able to
Would be interesting to see a war flail build and test. (The polearm flail idea.)
So basically: It's a bad sword. But it can be intimidating. It can probably be painful against minimally-armored opponents.
It would likely be hard to block, if given more length... but you'd basically have to fully commit to a swing, and you can't formation fight with a long version of it.
Its best use would probably be for psyching someone out.
So.... it might best be compared to be a butterfly knife for practicality.
The first time I remember seeing an Urumi was the sword collector opponent on Rurouni Kenshin.
As for the weapon Tyranth made, he totally whipped it, design-wise.
I imagine after using it while trying not to damage things that aren't the target (such as user or allies), would leave you feeling pretty whipped.
That thrust was able as powerful as the bite of a bowl of whipped sweet cream.
I'm sorry, I can chain together any more jokes talked to this particular weapon. I think my brain has given up trying to link together any reasonable connections.
I fully enjoyed the video, it's just a shame the magic guidance, extension, retraction, and sword mode couldn't work.
The edge alignment was neat, though
So like... whip swords, are either.
Super ultra great swords.
or terrible vs anything with shirts or thicker armor.
But like zabimaru would be lethal.
Make a thick 1 foot panel blade. Put the Chain in the bottom of one side, and the opposite corner of the bottom side of another.
And bam.
3 or 4 panels and the gap would make your sword go from 5 foot, to 10. Pew pew. COol.
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you see Tyranth, I think this is the problem most people do when trying to replicate whip swords: they make swords as whips and not whips as swords; as in making a sword in pieces and connected, I don't know others IP in which this is used but Ivy from Soul Calibur uses the whip mode as a real whip and it's long as one to keep opponents at a bay like it was a pole weapon but more unpredictable and the real power is in the tip, the last two segments in which all the force will be transferred. Of curse it won't work vs armor but will wok better than making a short sword as a whip
I'm reminded of a sword made with a thin, very flexible spring steel band. kind of like a measuring band... showed up in an asian martial-arts movie with many other strange things.
but really. in order for the chain sword to actually dig into the opponent I think the individual pieces need to have an edge all around. otherwise they would cut in, and then get stuck with their blunt ends. similar designs are to be seen throughout the animes where they use chain swords.
maybe it would work better if the pieces were round, or ellipsoidical?
Too bad you do not have the machining to run wires through the parts so they could be pulled tight or loosened, A serrated edge might tear up the squash more. Just glad you did not get hurt, stay safe and healthy.
Whip swords would be amazing if magic or sci-fi materials existed. There are 2 main problems.
One is the one everybody knows about, which is that you need a way to keep edge alignment.
The other, that nobody ever talks about, is that you need the hinges/joints to be mobile, but not free. You don't want a dangling chain with blades on it, you want a whip. Whips are not ropes. They have structure and stiffness to them. They are only very flexible towards the very end/tip.
That would allow more power transfer and more control, and therfore more effectiveness.
That's interesting! I think it might have some potential - first of all what if there is handle a bit longer than the length of blade/chain part? Or even polearm-like deal with ~2 m pole and 1 m blade/chain. Way safer and much more leverage to transmit power. You could then add more weight to the end and have flail that still does damage when you hit with the chain. Also there is some room for improvement in the edge part itself - there should be some way to improve blade segment corners to bite deeper (or at least make bites more nasty). Still shit against armor though. And yeah I know it's still much more work to make worse weapon than simple blade.
Great material, keep up the good work :)
Perhaps you might have a better time testing out something like Fulgore’s quad blades from the fighting game series *Killer Instinct* due to the blades being mounted on-top of his wrist gauntlets. Plus, it would look pretty cool to test out his his blades as well as see if his helmet can be created as a true knight’s helmet.
This would basically only work in some magic world where either the sword is magic or the skills in using it are in some way supernatural.
A truly terrifying weapon to face, mostly because you know anyone coming at you with it is absolutley mad and has no regard for their own saftey.
the most interesting part of this besides the tits is the fact you actually decided to make your own iteration vs either buying something or borrowing from another youtuber,bravo on that, nice to see the care to put in effort and individual ideas.
Really cool re design. I would absolutely have that as a trophy piece on my blade wall. Great job dude!
I like the idea of a razor bladed bending sword so its more of a whip sword hybrid so its less floppy. They are metals that bend like a whip already
Most of the cool sword-whips work due to magic in their franchises.
I think it helps in working with them. In practice, which boring "spear-whip" would be more convenient (lol). But everything always comes down to the chronicles of real military actions and what soldiers actually armed themselves with.
The problem with cutting Tony is that his rubber exterior is way, way harder than the pumpkin/squash.
It'd be better tested on a block of gelatin (not even a ballistic dummy).
Couple of critiques.
1) how can you use this weapon effectively when you are not scantily clad in a leather thong. You need to embrace your inner ivy.
2) if it were switchable would there EVER be a situation that this could be advantageous? I don’t think so but I mean Ivy makes it WORK.
"I hate this!"
Good man, Tyranth
"A sword joined by links to make it worse." 😂 Great description.
So, what would happen if you replaced the tip of that whip sword with a bigger and heavier tip? That was just as sharp of course. More bounce back? Less bounce back? More bite? Less bite? As an outside observer, it's the mass distribution that seems to play a big part of that. Hopefully this helps.
The benefits that the weapon has is its unpredictability and its ability to strike past a blocking weapon or shield - like a flail. But a flail has a whole lot of weight on the end that you are supposed to strike with, providing momentum and limiting the chance it will bounce back at you. Even then, I know a lot of people who hate flails.
8:25 probably a better option for a garrote rather than trying to use momentum. because aligned decently assuming the material doesn't break and you find some miracle way to hold it without lacerating your palms you might be able drive at least one blade into the neck. how far would depend on the blade size but it could work in theory.
Immediate flaw: The bike-chain-sections present a DULL edge & so do the in-between areas of the 'sword' pieces. So even though the sharpened 'sword' edges bite they don't go very deep before being pulled out.
When I saw whip sword, I thought of Ivy's completely impossible one from Soul Calibur.
I think it would have a better time with the pool noodle if the hard corners on each blade were cut diagonally and given an edge
i'm guessing we're not AT that stage in Human advancement where we can have each of those tiny blades merge into one blade, so you can have two modes to the whip sword. chain mode and solid mode.
I don't remember who it was exactly but I saw video a while back where a guy made a retractable whip sword that actually worked pretty well. It broke but was also a really good concept. I really think it can be done.
I see the Urumi as a ceremonial or training weapon based on it looks flashy and entertaining to watch.
I played a sci-fi game with a single molecule thick whip word (it had a weight at the top). I wonder how that would perform.
I feel the urumi got the short end of the stick. Sure, it's a pain to handle (literally, as you can easily injure yourself) but I've seen demonstrations of fruit cutting with them and the cuts were clean, meaning that there was at least a modicum of edge alignment
The butternut is best cut in half and baked with a bit of butter and brown sugar.
I'd love you to try the Three-Section Staff (san jie gun) from The 36th Camber of Shaolin!
I think the effectiveness can be increased with increased length and higher tip speed.
I think these things were meant to have an advantage of overly long reach which had to be super thin so as to keep weight low. Probably more of an area control weapon with any real damage meant to be done with the accelerated tip.
But yes would not be used against any armored opponents since in ancient world not many used much armor.
That it's essentially designed to be used like a whip and even slashing it into an exposed dummy did basically nothing is a good indicator of how deserved its reputation as ridiculous and impractical is.
The way it wrapped around the gourd and stabbed in on the back side made me think it might be capable of whipping down over a shield and doing some damage.
I would be interested in seeing what would happen if the number of bike chain links is decreased and the number of blades is increased. Also, the blades edge geometry could be better.
this feels like the type of weapon that would only be viable with magic or some kind of sci-fi not-magic to make it somewhat controllable
I'm gonna be honest, had my glasses off and my recommended was on screen, thought this was a Shadiversity video and was about to hit "do not recommend channel", glad I decided to put my glasses on beforehand and got to see a banger video.
Anyways, whip keeps reminding me of the Durendel from Terraria! (But uh, definitely less effective!) And you do look cool in those glasses.
Its basically a shadiversity video but without shad
I feel like it doesnt work nearly as well because you're basically trying to apply and transfer the force of your swing into multiple blades which lowers the amount of force that each small blade gets, not to mention the amount of drag produced by it as opposed to just using a regular sword
I'm curious, do you think just a regular, maybe slightly longer bike chain, with maybe a bike pedal or something as weight attached to the end of it would be more effective? I know I'm basically describing a flail, not a whip, but semantics!
Tyranth just can't stop his obsession with chain swords..
It’s really not on purpose
I've been watching What we do in the shadows with my girlfriend and when I opened UA-cam and she saw a thumbnail of screentested she said "What's Laszlo doing on UA-cam?".
I'd never noticed the resemblance between Ty in his gambison and Laszlo in his 😁😂
“Who calls the cravensworth!”
I wish you would have tried whipping it but a whip can be scary, this is terrifying to wield. Nice video
It would actually be better if it was longer, because those things operate the same way a chain does. You are trying to drive a blade edge into an object on a focused point with centrifugal force and momentum
The type of whip sword's origin that influenced to later Anime & Video games is came from a mecha anime Panzer World Galient(1984)'s Galient's Galient sword.
That sword can switch to 2 modes: regular sword & whip sword. Soul Caliver Ivy's sword is inspired from that mecha anime even the creator admitted.
I like the "whip sword" from Prince of Persia Two Thrones. I think a longer whip is needed to wrap around and dig in... but then it's tangled into one opponent, realistically. It would suck irl. In the game, it's cool.
Could you test attack on titan's ODM gear swords? It'd be interesting to see how oversized boxcutters stand up to your other weapons and how well they'd actually do when trying to carve a piece of flesh from a titan
That whip sword is sick!! But that thing is iffy as hell, lol😅
Edit: how the hell would you sheath or put away a whip sword?! Just coil it up? Your hands would be cut up 😬
@@gabevente4469 my guess is that you could wear it as a belt. If you have balls of steel, that is
@LastGoatKnight The forbidden belt...
You used 2 chain links between each blade segment. Would it have been possible to use just one? Would using a single link have any impact other than reducing the flexibility of the whip?
I was thinking of this as the concept for a whip sword, since always they show it as a chain that is floppy, never made sense if you can use a chain that goes only one way. I still think about other things that maybe could be done like a locking mechanism so that you can use it normally, or maybe a way for it to have an area it doesn't go past. But I am not an engineer, just a silly guy with silly ideas, but maybe in the future I'll find a way to make something.
That's the name of the indian whip sword, urumi! Can't keep it in my head. Fully expect it to fall out again. Well, my expectations for this are low.
The main issue is that through technology or "magic" the user of most fantasy whip swords can make them extend and go back to being stiff at will(no innuendo intended). Unfortunately our real life technology isn't really capable of doing that.
If you make the tip heavier you may be able to have it wrap around better. It may not fly back around as easily.
You know the chain from a chainsaw?
Try that instead...
I wouldn't recommend trying due to the base risk for likely very little payoff, but I do wonder how a more whip-like design would fair, utilizing more whip technique than sword, as well as the force multiplier with a gradual decrease in mass towards the tip.
Hey Tyranth would you be willing to do a Ludwig’s Holy Blade (Bloodborne) build? I think that would be awesome! I also believe it would be right y’all’s wheelhouse of cool.
Have you ever seen BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF? Vincent Cashel uses a bone whip sword at the end of the movie.
are all 4 sides of the metal pieces sharpened? to me it looked like the edges were quite thick, i'd theorize with razor sharp edges all around each piece and just the right spacing it might bite into soft targets similarly to how teethed swords/clubs do. of course that still should be inferior to a stiffer weapon, but maybe it would make for a few extra t.i.t.s. points?