whats sad is that the generation that was raised in the early 2000s late 90s were the guineapigs for this internet thing... no wonder i am going through so much struggle in my life and mental health issues possibly caused by the internet i was given with no restrictions as a child together with videogames without a second thought on age restriction for any of the content... basically P*rn anytime i ever wanted 3 times a day ever since i was 10 years old till mid 20s that i decided to stop watching it for good
When I was 13, I went to a summer camp. Phones were banned. You got them for 1.5 hours every day to call parents. Otherwise, children were forced to find other ways to entertain themselves. We had actual conversations, played chess when really bored, participated in fun events, just hanged out at the beach. It was one of the best periods of my life. It felt like actually living. And when I got back home, it felt surreal. Two completely different realities.
Hi Dr. Andrew Huberman. I am 17 and I found this video really really interesting. Social media has never been the oh so love for any teen. And I say this because I have the experience of feeling a void, a sense of loneliness with the social media. The endless hours of scrolling reels, time flying by has all taken a toll on me. Through this video, It certainly helped me and I messaged my friends, I will quote this " i don't feel social media truly fulfilling and hence I am quitting it." I have completely deleted my social media account. I will come back to this comment a month later and tell you all how I feel. I feel oh so excited now. Thank you Andrew for your interest in science.
I deleted both Facebook and Instagram 4-5 years ago. I am not missing a bit. I can actually allocate that time something more meaningful. All the best my friend. And watch out for reels, it is causing train your brain to attention deficit because content is changing every 30 -50 secs. The fact that you are here at this early age, listening Huberman tells me you are in good direction. All the best my friend 💪
@@shilpajain2276 I first got it frozen for 2 months and then I noticed I dont actually lose by not having them. My mental health has improved significantly, there was nothing wrong with mental health to start with but at least I stopped comparing myself with other people and feeling there is something wrong with me, everyone else is figured out, only me left behind. As well as I got rid off all those convincing thoughts that "yeah, my parents and my friends are following me from Instagram or Facebook, they see my life, people are connecting me here". And then one day I just deleted it. Hardest part, Facebook warns you that you cant retrieve your photos once you delete and you actually have attachments to those photos but I actually didnt care that much. One of best decisions I took.
I am glad that I am 50 y/o. I have the ability to connect and disconnect from social media easily. The only social media I use is X and UA-cam but I am careful to set boundaries around them. I mainly use it for information that otherwise I would have to pay for, like this lectures or discussions. Take breaks from technology so often so you could learn how to be with it and without it. Stay committed to your journey!
My six year old heard this podcast in the car with me while I drive him back and forth from camp. I'm still in tears over the fact that he thanked me for keeping him away from screens, and said he loved me. I honestly didn't even think he was actively listening to everything that was being said, but this was life changing.
My 3 year old came to me and said "dad, sometimes people chat shit on the internet for approval because 6 year olds aren't coherent enough to understand this stuff" he brought a tear to my eye, love him to bits
I haven't watched the full podcast yet but what cured my social media, phone and doom scrolling addiction were 3 non-cognitively demanding things (be warned, this might make you laugh at how pathetic I am!) 1-- Portable games console. Unlike social media, a single player videogame has a finite play time with an actual ending. You play a game to indulge in it's gripping story, keep your brain active and your hands busy. Avoid multiplayer online games and go for the ones with great stories. 2-- Carry a notebook around. Journal, write down your thoughts, unleash your inner passion or frustrations, always have a small note book ready at all times and 3-- Carry a small action figure. Yes you heard that right, I have a small pose-able figurine of Batman I carry around like a demented dork that I do action poses whenever I feel like wasting time on my phone. The satisfaction of seeing Batman doing the Gangnam Style pose is usually adequate enough to quell my cravings for something novel on social media at the cost of my friends and family mocking me. Now go forth and be as insane as I am! At least you'll be cured from the endless doomscrolling without relying on drugs!
These are all excellent steps to take. I’ve done very similar things. It’s all about having dedicated tools for specific things: Journalling = notebook Music = modern Walkman Games = Steam Deck Reading = Books or Kindle
Thank you for this interview! I am a high school teacher. As a result of Dr. Haidt’s book “The Anxious Generation” my school board is considering a much more stringent electronic device policy. This policy will effectively ban phones during regular school hours. This issue is so important to me that after reading the book I bought copies for all admins and school board members paid for out of my own pocket. If you have not been in a high school in the last 10 years, you have no idea how the dynamic has changed. In the best of times teens have had a brief attention span and were socially awkward. Now, well into the smart phone/social media era, attention spans are nonexistent. Face-to-face conversations between teens happen infrequently if at all. Children (teens are still children) will sit in the presence of one another, yet be lost in their digital world. A total phone ban at school is one way to combat this trend of social media social isolation. And a side benefit is less time that I have to spend saying “little Johnny, put your phone away” and more time for learning!
Kids are allowed phones at my kids school ( from age 13-18 ) but if caught using it anywhere during school hours it’s confiscated immediately and not returned until the end of the school day + a detention is issued. They have a talk at least 1/2 times per year that gets more and more explicit about the dangers online as per what is age appropriate. That any school allows kids to be accessing their phone in school hours is insane to me. It needs to stop. They should be a break and sanctuary from all that noise and forcing them into real world discussions might be painful to them but very needed. I hope your school board sees sense and I am sharing with you that others schools are not allowing it and it works fine. Edit to say we are probably of the same mindset and I agree with you and am demonstrating real world example where it’s not allowed.
Yes my Mum who used to get up me for being addicted to my computer now comes home from work, chucks on Netflix while she plays her addictive little games on her phone, including gambling games (spending real money on them), jumps back and forth between those and Facebook and whatever else. She wiil do that all night in her bed (a bed with a remote to change the height of it) and eventually fall asleep still watching the movie or episode she put on. I'm now the one with blocker apps on my devices and I have to tell her to take a break from technology and go to the gym (she is always complaining about aches and pains which I know she gets from craning her neck into her phone all day).
@@nevergiveup5939 to live, to love be loved, to create things, to help others do the same. To experience things from your unique perspective amd learn something from it. That's what I think.
Born in 89 here and a parent to 3 young children. Something that stood out to me is the fact that parents feel obligated to give their kids a phone because “everyone else’s” kids have one. This feels like a new phenomenon. When I was a kid I was always complaining that I am the only one that doesn’t have this or do that and my parents basically said “so what.” Parents today seem to feel an obligation to assist their children to conforming to peer pressure for acceptance and I wonder if this is the product of adult and parent social media use. This episode is such a blessing as I can get ahead of some of these conversations in my home before they come up. Thank you again for a phenomenal episode!
@@zaks7306 Dr. Haidt mentions finding a group of families with the same rules or making a pact with other families so that they aren’t isolated in their experience. I personally think that it might be a little healthy to be on the outside sometimes. Like the saying goes “if so and so jumped off of a bridge would you?” But I admittedly have yet to be humbled by the teenage years.
I just don’t know how long it’s possible to keep a smartphone out of their hands with all the friends literally “having phone based childhoods”. I feel like the solution might be in better parental controls over the devices but honestly I am not sure it’s as easy as that
My daughter is 11, finishing up 6th grade. She doesn't have a phone and I'm not planning to get her one until 8th grade. Luckily she does have ONE friend who's parents have a similar plan. (Most kids had phones by 4th grade) But she constantly talks about it- what she'll do when she has one, what passcode she'll have, asks about my expectations for privacy, etc. I hate the obsession, but I'm also very lucky that she communicates. She says she understands why, but would still rather have a phone. I think the communication is a key- I let her bring it up when she wants, ask what she wants, and that has helped a lot.
Parents are top concerned with their child's perception of them. Can't let their feeling hurt for even a second. Well guess what? You end up with nothing but a population of emotionally immature adults (children). And we wonder why the structures that have been built are falling apart 🤔
I stopped using social media (besides youtube) cold turkey three years ago and it has been such an improvement in my life. I didn't send one last message, one last post telling everyone i was getting off the apps i just literally stopped going to the sites and using the apps. It's easier to do than one might think even if you're hopelessly addicted like i was, spending ten hours a day scrolling through various groups and online communities. The only things I miss are memes and funny cat pics, the sense of community in various groups but i have real world family and friends who provide that sense of community far more than anyone I've met online aside from a handful of close friends. Make the change yourself It's far far easier than you might think! Thanks Doc for this one, love the show🙏
Sounds great and all but every time I try I keep UA-cam and just replace the other social medias with more time spent on UA-cam, I can spend 10+ hours a day on UA-cam no problem.
My mom has Schizophrenia from last 25 years. She has no mobile, no friends, and doesn't watch TV. She just sits by herself in her room, or most of the time, sleeps. She had no mobile before her illness too. But if you talk to her, she will patiently and calmly talk to you for long, listen, and most importantly, not get agitated even after a heated argument where only I get stressed. She is so much available. Her thoughts are not influenced by mobile content, social media and endless barrage of "comparison". Please allow yourself to get "BORED". BOREDOM will help you to explore more in your relationship and life as you become emotionally available for others. There's really something very peculiar about people who have been untouched by mobile and TV in their lives. Thanks Dr. Huberman and Dr. Jonathan.
Impressive and inspiring story. This shows how much it's important to reduce social media consumption so that we can value much more direct social interaction.
My mother has schizophrenia too. And all the words spoken by you feel like they’ve come right out of my mouth. On her good days, she is so patient and kind. I often feel I am the hot headed one in front of her. She is also a very understanding person. I often joke around saying mom is the on,y one who does use social media and doesn’t watch television. It’s truly amazing to see how people uninfluenced by social media function in their day to day life. I have also greatly reduced my socials consumption in recent times and I do find myself less overwhelmed in general.
You and your mothers may want to research Dr. Chris Palmer and Dr. Georgia Ede’s books. Also, Metabolic Mind podcast on UA-cam. UA-cam is more of an educational platform for me learning about nutrition and health.
I’ve listened to a few interviews with Jonathan Haidt but this is by far the most interesting one I’ve heard as Huberman and Haidt play off of each other and get each other more and more excited and they are learning from each other in real time. Incredible and such a fun interview.
Boredom is absolutely key to healthy brain development in children, and it is an important tool to adults as well. My husband never understood why I let the kids be bored when they were little. Bored kids quickly get creative to give their little brain the dopamine hit it wants. My kids had crafting materials at their disposal, they had a park where I let them range free, and they became creative little people. Even now, my adult son will start creating when bored. Usually cooking or baking! Win!!!
Yess!! I tell my kids when they say "I'm bored" or "it's boring" or "o don't know what to do", I say: "great, your brain is growing now! Boredom is really good for the brain". And when they ask further what they could do,I say " for whatever I propose, you'd say no or think it's not good enough so go figure out what you want to do". After few mins of dissatisfied face... They come up with the most ingenious activities & creativities 🎉🎉🎉
@@spa11199 i grew up in the early seventies and my parents only permitted me to watch 1-1.5 hours of television a week! Not that there was a lot to watch to begin with. We kids played outside, came up with games and stories, make believe, art sessions, theater productions, learned what plants were edible and went foraging, and so on. Even when it was raining, there were always things to do like crafts, voraciously reading books, or going on walks in wellies and rain coats pretending to be an intrepid explorer on an expedition. You're doing it right! Creativity is like a muscle and exercising it frequently will yield marvelous outcomes.
Such a win! I hope when and if your son procreates he carries on your commitment to a play based childhood. As a special education teacher, my kids are being raised similarly. Currently playing Clue and a few days ago used my yarn to spend the day making a bedroom lazer maze. Their rooms are messy, bare feet are filthy, and the happiest tweens I know. ❤ My heart is behind this global movement to save our children.
Thank you!!! I just called some parents who got really exited about getting together and ask the school to take the phones away from our children upon arrival! Let's do this!!!! Thank you so much for this extremely important podcast.
I hear you. I am 60. I spent my 20s going to college, moving to Japan to work and live for several years, and after that I spent a year traveling the world solo with a backpack. All without a cellphone. I never watched TV either and had no car. It was the best years of my life too.
I swear to God man, life feels like a movie when you go off social media yes this includes all video streaming platforms like UA-cam as well, yes UA-cam is also a social media. I cold turkey quite all medias of our age for a year straight and i am only back on UA-cam since last one and half year, very hard to go back to Facebook and Instagram, let's not even talk about the other brain melt app.
@@pickupwisdom13 It means everyone from corporations to cult leaders to pedophiles to political propagandists have access to exploit the nations children
Jon haidt, his book the happiness hypothesis, is one of the greatest books of all time. I have read a lot a lot a lot of books on mental health. I reread his book recently and it smokes the crap out of 99.9 percent of any book on mental health. The guy is an absolute genius. Has no peers... This man.... Beyond hardcore
This is why I'll raise my kids on the farm where they have responsibilities but still have fun and learn while being outside getting exercise. I think it's a tragedy that we went too far to remove work responsibility from kids. Hell alot of kids never have to do any work untill they graduate from college at 22 or older! That's insane I started helping on the farm by 5, was driving tractors by 12 and doing chore and supervising my younger sibling by 11.
Agree. Grew up that way. And if I wanted kids, they’d be raised that way too. Hell-maybe the reason I’m addicted to my phone is because I’m living in the city and away from what is best. 😮
This is fascinating to me as a parent and as a high school chemistry teacher!!! 🤓 01:21:15 Puberty & Sensitive Periods, Culture & Identity 01:23:55 Brain Development & Puberty; Identity; Social Media, Learning & Reward I have so many students who think they have anxiety and/or ADHD... 😳 We are fighting for a cell-phone free environment, and we need all the support that we can get, i.e. from science, parents, teachers, and admin!!! Love what Dr. Haidt said about norm vs law and the rules on: 1. No smart phone until 14 2. No social media until 16
I became a parent 1 year ago and some of these topics have been worrying me for my childs future. Thank you for addressing it and offering some advice.
I seem to remember Dr. Anna Lemke saying that addiction narrows the things that you find interest in. And then, even that narrow area of interest no longer gives you pleasure. I think a Modern Day Lent practice should be a 40 day fast from social media and email.
I am an addict, and first step to my recovery was deleting my all social media profiles like facebook, instagram etc. I had more time and space in my life to think about myself and my addiction. Still off social media, sober for almost a year now.
Horses communicate via reading awareness of energy / body language… I think women seek the companionship of horses because they require you to be in a calm state of mind…. It feels very good to be near a horse you’ve bonded with… they smell amazing, their skin is so sensitive … nothing more relaxing than watching the sun rise sitting on a tree stump, with a big coffee, your horse nuzzling your hair - hits every sense in a beautiful way
I´m a pediatrician. Thank you both, I hope a lot that Dr. Jonathan may manage this absolutly important change, though I´m not that hopeful, umhappily. I would adore to listen to some more podcasts about children, there almost anything scientifically interesting. Continue!
Would really love to see an episode about Borderline personality disorder. Love everything about this podcast, I watch every episode and feel so informed and it has changed my life in many positive ways. Thank you .
I didn't get social media until I was a senior in high school, and I'm so glad. Social media comes into play with my ADHD paralysis, but I don't feel glued to it. I haven't had tons of the issues that have been described and I'm so grateful.
I shared this episode with my young adult son. Dr Huberman, I want to thank you for your work on your mission to share science and science based information. I benefit, I change my habits and I share links to your episodes with friends and family. Incredibly grateful for your work. I'm a pharmacist by trade. Your episodes are always great for my need to continue to feed my curiousioty about health and especially mental health, psychology and neurology.
Im very thankful that I was born in the 80s , played in the 90s by the time I had an iPhone was was over 21 already in 2007. By 2010 I knew everyone would have one . 2024 now I don’t think all of us should !
TALK to your LITTLE kids about why your phone is not a toy. If it is, then fix your own issues first. Talk about how much you prefer speaking rather than messaging. You like being in-person. You like spending time in person. Be explicit.
Unfortunately, logic and explanation is hardly a match for the billions of dollars spent on addicting people to screens. We can't even convince teens to exercise let alone stop using their phones. And kids? Goodluck.
I agree. And I also blame myself! after all I gave him the phone/playstation! It is a sign of the times but that doesn't make it right. It made my teenage son lazy I feel@@Pimpjit85
Whenever kids will see their peers using their phone as a toy they will do the same, i don’t think that a conversation would be effective to combat that
Dr. Huberman, could you do an episode on the best learning strategies? Like to how interleave properly, the best strategy to learn from a textbook, etc.
Thank you. I minimalisted my phone and computer. Everything on grey scale. All notifications off. Timers on every app. Launch timers too. In only two days, I already feel less stressed. Really recommend everyone to use minimalist phone and grey scale.
Thank you so much for this episode! I was a teenager in 2010 and slid right into social media and all its downsides. This interview made me understand the origins of a lot of issues I deal with now and also gave me great tools to overcome phone addiction. Thanks! ❤
Coming from a small town, the loss of play-based childhood is all too apparent. I remember when I was a kid, there used to be days when there wasn't enough space in 4 different football fields across my town and the neighbouring ones. Today, if there is a single group playing in either one of them, it's unusual.
The part about teen camps is so HUGE!! I have always wanted to start a teen camp because I went to them as a child and have been a counselor at a few and it has been sooo impactful. Thank You
This was so fantastic sometimes I don’t make it to the end but this one was so powerful so informative so actionable I have a four-year-old grandson, a two year-old granddaughter, a newborn and one out in California and wow we love to play outside. We’re gonna keep doing it.
As someone who suffers with extreme severe anxiety I can totally relate to her. I would stop eating for days at a time as a punishment. I worry a lot about my life, everyone around me and pleasing everyone. It's absolutely crippling, so glad she got the help she needed, lovely young lady it's so sad that society has 1 in 3 people suffering mental health issues. I hope everyone seeks help
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about how mushrooms and psychedelics treats anxiety, but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, doctor Greg mushroom I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
In 2012 I was 12 and got unsupervised access to the internet. Grown men sent me unsolicited inappropriate pictures after asking how old I was. The device didn’t have a camera thankfully because they were asking for pictures of me and I probably would’ve agreed without knowing any better. My older sister and older brother became more depressed and started cutting. I also started cutting as a way to deal with emotions. My parents were on a down hill slope to divorce and didn’t pay any positive attention to us kids. Idk about everyone else but 2012 was a rough time on top of everyone running around saying the world was ending!
Wow, what a wonderful discussion with two gifted communicators with distinct backgrounds. A pleasure to listen to the questions that they asked of each other and learn in the process. Important topics, great subject matter experts and no one unassuredly asking "you know?" or "right?" throughout the conversation. A delight to listen to and learn from!
1:23:35 moved and lived in the States from ages 10 to 13, came back, returned to the US as an exchange student in college (a year), came back, having worked for few different American companies in my home country to this day. Culturally, I feel I don’t fit into neither, but I don’t take it too pessimistically; simply thought that’s just me, regardless of my cross cultural experience, but I can’t live other lives so I don’t know🤷🏻♀️ Only that I’m slightly ashamed and/or feel lucky that I could genuinely believe that “I can always start a new life in the other country (that I’m not living in now)”. I’m ashamed because it sounds unhealthy to negate my current situation, day dreaming that things would be better “if only” I was in the other country, but feel lucky that the belief really supported me through the difficult times growing up from teens into early thirties, until I became content with self. I feel deep empathy and hopelessness for the young people growing up today😢 I hope I’d be useful to support.
42:50 excellent explanation of the dopamine pathways. As an addictions counselor, I have developed my own personal theory that the reason that people who are addicted to a variety of things engage in behaviors that they would otherwise find morally objectionable i s because their minds have conflated The addictive behavior or substance with something they need to survive. Starving people will do terrible things. People in active addiction will also do terrible things. Furthermore whenever someone who has developed an addiction gets into a weakened state, the craving for their substance or behavior seems to return regardless of how long they have abstained from it.
Canadian here and mother to a teenage boy. Ontario is introducing a suite of measures that will crack down on cellphone use and vaping in schools. I 100% stand by this. Great episode!!
I just listened to the Dr. Haidt podcast and have ordered the Anxious Generation. I am a HS Principal at The American International School of Johannesburg and have shared this widely so we can focus on collective action. Thank you.
I hate when I enjoy something I always think "oh I should be taking some pictures and post them on my social media" why can't I just enjoy the experience to the fullest :(
- No smartphone before high school/puberty - No social media until 16 y.o - no unlimited internet acces & world accessing them - Phone-free school (otherwise they're learning rapidly dopamine reinforcement sys) - independent fun & free play in real world, adventures, experiences Senitive age: 9-15/16 y.o My eldest is turning 10. We talk with him on smartphone/ social media impacts & Dopamin 😅. And he has understood that he will get his smartphone "much" later than his peers. Now to do: find where to get flip phone 😂😂 This should be translated to different languages and shared with teachers and the sensitive age young people.❤❤
My daughter is 12, constantly asking for a phone and I have said no but considered giving her a phone at 14 after watching this I’m going to be reconsidering. She does feel left out but I see the effects on her friends and how much they are consumed by it, I rather her feel a bit left out than a life full of anxiety, depression, needing constant validation or access to strangers.
Kids shouldn’t be allowed to spend a good portion of their day on social media. It’s full of wrong information that negatively affects their mental health. They should be outdoors with their friends and fellow students playing games like soccer, baseball, football or rugby. There should be more emphasis on social interaction between the kids and less time on social media. Social media is full of toxic ideologies that attack the values of the countries that they live in.
@@nevergiveup5939 We die because that’s how it is and there is nothing we can do about it lol. After death comes rebirth into a new body, and one that is incorruptible or will ever suffer pain or death for eternity.
We have 4 kids and our oldest daughter is 12 and she is the only one without a phone in her class and she desperately wants one but we say no because we know the danger with this but its very difficult when everyone else has, we will give her a phone though where we can have contact etc..but she say she doesnt want to use it because its not new and like the others. Also this addiction and dopamin kicks is for all adults aswell, we dont interact with the kids as before and also that is what the kids are seeing so its for all of us, to take the phone away and actually do things together ❤
Fantastic episode. As someone who works in the film industry, we’ve seen more algorithmic and spreadsheet based storytelling. Also storytelling with identity politics driven agendas. The streaming platforms themselves perpetuate the same kind of content for the user so audiences are no longer exposed or interested in a diverse range of genres. Also, with the loss of appointment based set time slot television, we’ve lost our collective experience of consuming and sharing storytelling, both in the theaters and at home. No one is going to work or school anymore saying, “did you see last night’s episode of…”. Studios have to also acknowledge that attention spans have eroded, gone are long fancy opening title sequences with theme music, people look at storytelling as a distraction and equate its value to a thumbnail on the TV screen. Young people simply don’t look at movies as an adventure anymore or a collective experience. Storytelling is an important part of our culture and collective experience, has been in even indigenous communities for hundreds of years, and I equate smart phones, social media and streaming platforms to the slow demise of our interest and shared experience of storytelling. I don’t think it’ll ever turn around at this point.
I was born in 2005 and i used to wish so badly just to have been born maybe 10 years earlier. Having social media as a teenager is pivotal to one’s social life, especially in puberty.
It doesn't have to be. It can take some mental resolve and courage but you can stand out from the crowd and not participate in the madness for your own sake, or use it for specific, mindful purposes. Most people won't, but you can.
타임스탬프 00:00:00 Dr. Jonathan Haidt 00:02:01 스폰서: Helix Sleep, AeroPress & Joovv 00:06:23 어린 시절의 대전환: 기술, 스마트폰 & 소셜 미디어 00:12:48 정신 건강 트렌드: 소년, 소녀 & 스마트폰 00:16:26 스마트폰 사용, 놀이 기반에서 전화 기반 어린 시절로의 전환 00:20:40 놀이 기반 어린 시절을 잃는 비극 00:28:13 스폰서: AG1 00:30:02 소녀 vs. 소년, 관심사 & 아이들 함정에 빠뜨리기 00:37:31 “효과성,” 시스템 & 관계, 동물 00:41:47 소년들의 성 발달, 도파민 강화 & 포르노그래피 00:49:19 소년들, 구애, 기사도 & 기술; Z세대 발달 00:55:24 놀이 & 저위험 실수, 비디오 게임 & 소셜 미디어, 갈등 해결 00:59:48 스폰서: LMNT 01:01:23 소셜 미디어, 트롤, 성과 01:06:47 역동적 하위, 위계, 소년 01:10:15 소녀 & 완벽주의, 소셜 미디어 & 성과 01:14:00 전화 기반 어린 시절 & 두뇌 발달, 중요한 시기 01:21:15 사춘기 & 민감한 시기, 문화 & 정체성 01:23:55 두뇌 발달 & 사춘기; 정체성; 소셜 미디어, 학습 & 보상 01:33:37 도구: 아이들의 스마트폰 사용을 위한 4가지 권장 사항 01:41:48 어린 시절 규범의 변화, 정책 & 법률 01:49:13 여름 캠프, 팀 스포츠, 종교, 음악 01:54:36 지루함, 중독 & 스마트폰; 도구: “경이 산책” 02:03:14 카지노 비유 & 어린 시절의 양도; 소셜 미디어 콘텐츠 02:09:33 성인 행동; 도구: 식사 & 전화 02:11:45 어린 시절 독립성 회복; 도구: 가족 그룹 & 전화 02:16:09 화면 & 미래 낙관주의, 집단 행동, KOSA 법안 02:24:52 제로 비용 지원, Spotify & Apple 리뷰, UA-cam 피드백, 소셜 미디어, Neural Network 뉴스레터
I would simply LOVE if you did a podcast with Temple Grandin, as you and her are some of the people I look up to the most. I'm studying biology at university, I'm a visual thinker such as lovely Temple, and I'm so inspired by every one of your podcasts. I reckon a lot of people, such as myself, could gain a whole bunch from a conversation between the two of you.
40:25 I was a horsey girl, had my own from ages 13-16. The caregiving and nurturing, brushing, grooming, feeding and just hanging out with my Shakoa were the best part. Riding for me was on trails in nature, not much ring work, jumping, etc. Just thought I would add my 2 cents to the "anecdata" (love this term!). I think you are spot on, Dr. AH...
Yes! People should not underestimate the incredible skills and personality-adjusting powers of working with horses. Horses can “take the edge off,” and make you think calmly and clearly about situations. Horses can also build assertiveness in a meaningful way.
@@LadyeStagsleapStudioAre you kidding me? Some of the most mentally unstable people I know work(ed) with horses. It is by no means a panacea for mental health issues.
@@LadyeStagsleapStudio Are you kidding me? Some of the most unstable people I know ride/ rode horseback. It is not a panacea for mental health issues.
@@MattTHX-io4tk Don't worry Matt, I would not have dated you. Besides, I was only 13 - 16 y.o. What is the point of your reply? I was contributing to Dr. Huberman's anecdata. And don't worry, I wouldn't date you now, either. 💃
1:45:28 "If you pass laws that are out of phase with people's norms, they are going to really hate you and they are going to resent it. So let's start with a norm change."
To restore childhood 👶🍼 1. No smartphone before high school (18 yrs) 2. No social media before 16 3. Phone free schools 4.More independence, free play & responsibility in the real world (through sports, friends, adventure, etc)
Around 1:37:00 the guest talks about "running the gauntlet" which ends with a video showing a person being dismembered alive. I had a client who was in a gang and exposed to a similar, real-life experience like that as a young boy, age 7. After all the violence he has committed in his life and been exposed to, he is still haunted by that first experience and talked about that more than anything else. The fact that children can be exposed to something like that via the internet is absolutely tragic.
I’m looking forward to this. I’m a big fan of Dr. Haigt and his work. Most of my immediate family are teachers and have been for generations. I hear the stories of what’s going on now. It’s frightening. As an RN I’ve decided recently to look into research on AD use with children and teenagers since their introduction. I’ll keep you posted. Thanks again Andrew. PS I’d be interested to hear Rick’s thoughts on how different the music is now. There seems to be a different energy about it that’s strange to explain. Gen Zs experience is so different than even my Gen X contemporaries.
social media is not responsible for your problems. have you seen where your food is coming from? we cant just force animals and plants to suffer in domestication and expect to live great lives. they are genetically modified, sprayed with chemicals, pollution in the air is getting worse, i can go on. wildlife exploitation is responsible for all our problems.
Version for adults please. Was super interesting to learn about child biology, but based on your title description I expected something more applicable to adults. Thanks for considering!
THIS IS NONSENSE! I AM GEN X, THERE WERE NO SMARTPHONES DURING MY CHILDHOOD AND I STILL HAVE SEVERE ANXIETY, AMONG OTHER THINGS BECAUSE OF MY CRAPPY CHILDHOOD- IN ADDITION TO THE MISERIES AT HOME, I WAS ALWAYS BEING PICKED ON BY OTHER KIDS AT SCHOOL AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD- SO, WHAT THE HELL WAS SO GREAT ABOUT GOING OUTSIDE TO PLAY?! PEOPLE NEVER WANNA TALK ABOUT THE REAL REASONS PEOPLE HAVE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, ETC., ITS BECAUSE MOST OF US WERE RAISED BY TOXIC PARENTS/FAMILIES/TEACHERS WHO SCREWED US UP FOR LIFE, AND GET AWAY WITH IT. STOP MAKING UP AGENDAS TO SELL BOOKS. AND KIDS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE IN SCHOOL, JUST IN CASE SOMEONE TRIES TO TOUCH THEM IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. YES I'M USING ALL CAPS CAUSE THIS NONSENSE IS IRRITATING ME!
I wonder how much of Luigi’s depression relating to his own health problems has to do with his family’s wealth and prominence? Like how an Icarus deals with real personal misfortune? He stopped being on social media a month before the summer Olympics, wonder how much of that was a reminder of his new physical limitations after being such a sports star most his life? If he had a problem with the CEO, why get off social media at a time when he actually wanted social influence? Why not organize and educate, instead of resorting to murder? It points to an entitlement problem.
Such an important message - from a super conversation. I'll certainly share this video, as it should be watched and its importance be understood as widely as possible. Thank you for making it.
Hi Andrew, I've just finished a book about inner voices and the scientific explanation behind them which I found very interesting but a bit complicated in content. It would be really great if you could make it into an episode of the podcast. The way you explain things (especially the episode on dopamine, which I loved) is easy to understand. I have a lot of questions about this subject, which seems to me to be a current social issue. For example: Why do we hear positive things and negative things? How is this created in our brain? What techniques could help us work on our David Goggin-esque voice? Thanks in advance, Cheers
Very important episode. Thank you! I have four adult sons in their 20s. How I wish I had known this! Passing it on to them and others. They see what their phones have done to them. We are now all working to wisely order our souls.
Three point plan 1. Litigation: Sue the medium, yes, Apple and Google, for the destruction they have caused society. 2. Ad campaign: Create “This is your brain on drugs” ads, but with phones. 3. App: Develop an app, supported by school districts, that parents can put on their children’s smartphones that will allow them to call their parents, but blocks everything else during school hours.
Hey love your podcast and Dr. Haidt seems like he has a lot of important things to say. I’m halfway through the podcast and I just want to point out that a lot of this conversation is about boys and men and not about the girls. This is partially natural considering you both are men, however considering the facts originally stated at the start of the podcast, and the fact that girlhood is often treated as a mystery to be ignored instead of treated scientifically, I encourage you guys to speak up more about that particular subject. I do love the podcast, and thank you for your work.
Hey there, please,have look into Dr Haidt’s book (“The anxious generation”). There you’ll find girls and boys equally studied, analyzed and their specific issues explained. I think in the podcast they shared their personal experiences (as boys/ men).
Could ”no social media before 16” or no phone before 14 do more harm than good? Could it create the feeling of being left out and miserable for this child? I agree with everything, but what do you do if your the only parent implementing this?
Brilliant episode - but frightening. I've a 14 year old who would stare at her screen all day long. I'm a terribly cruel parent because I constantly block the anti-social-media platforms. I understand the perils of it. She doesn't. I use your parents' line to her Andrew - " Hate me now, love me later." 😎 Jonathan's right, it's turning the kids totally shallow. It's really frightening. Let's get these new norms set asap eh! Thanks for another great episode.🧡
you might be right to not let your kid use social media. im 25 and my parents werent very strict about my phone usage, and i see the consiquences in my life. everyones addicted to their phones whether its social media or other forms of entertainment, and of course that harms mental health, but in the future i predict we will realize that constant phone use is distruptive to brain development too. we dont know all the ways these devices effect us. we are all taking part in an experiment
@thehandliesthandle you said that very well Matt. I agree with you that we are all part of a global experiment. I'm sorry you feel you've lost out on so much of your youth because of these damn "smart" phones. And if you feel like this, so will your peers eh. Social media use hasn't been rolling that long and it's already demonstrated instantaneously disastrous outcomes for young people as Jonathan Haidt points out. I really hope his ideas for new norms are pushed through. And soon.🙏
I like the thin ice metaphor around 1:06 -- I’m finding it increasingly difficult to hang out with who were my best friends who I felt totally safe but now it’s becoming they want to document everything and I find myself having to request hey can you not film me we’re like eating or drinking or just by the pool etc This entire podcast is great and I agree with everything. I went to Charleston southern university 2010-2015 and thankful for being 32 today and not 27 or younger. The 22 year old today wants to be what the 32 goals are if that makes sense. All nervous no system gen z and as a millennial im starting to feel it to. I just deactivated my media. I live in NC and with the hurricane photos have gone viral of keeps playing together outside like it was the 90s again 🫤
My dumbed-down conclusions: 1. A play-based childhood is far superior to a phone-based childhood for good physical and mental development. 2. Implement the following norms at the family unit to restore a play-based childhood: a. no smartphones till 16 b. no social media accounts till 18 c. more real world responsibility and freedom given to the child.
I'm a school teacher. Getting this across to kids and parents is CORE
I teach high school chemistry and this is the reality that we are all facing... 😳😭🥺
whats sad is that the generation that was raised in the early 2000s late 90s were the guineapigs for this internet thing... no wonder i am going through so much struggle in my life and mental health issues possibly caused by the internet i was given with no restrictions as a child together with videogames without a second thought on age restriction for any of the content... basically P*rn anytime i ever wanted 3 times a day ever since i was 10 years old till mid 20s that i decided to stop watching it for good
I think information like this should be by choice to learn and understand
@@kl2176 lol "guess you really need some insights into girls".....yea....that tone with strangers will definitely get them sympathetic to your views.
No it isnt. It's nonsense and you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading misinformation
When I was 13, I went to a summer camp. Phones were banned. You got them for 1.5 hours every day to call parents. Otherwise, children were forced to find other ways to entertain themselves. We had actual conversations, played chess when really bored, participated in fun events, just hanged out at the beach. It was one of the best periods of my life. It felt like actually living. And when I got back home, it felt surreal. Two completely different realities.
That was the 1970's and 80's that I grew up in.
Sadly, there is no going back. Way too much money to be made.
i had very good times in video games as well. they were the best periods of my life. just do both social media and video games.
It is changing humanity.
Boredom is such a valuable ingredient for finding things out about yourself.
Hi Dr. Andrew Huberman. I am 17 and I found this video really really interesting. Social media has never been the oh so love for any teen. And I say this because I have the experience of feeling a void, a sense of loneliness with the social media. The endless hours of scrolling reels, time flying by has all taken a toll on me. Through this video, It certainly helped me and I messaged my friends, I will quote this " i don't feel social media truly fulfilling and hence I am quitting it." I have completely deleted my social media account. I will come back to this comment a month later and tell you all how I feel. I feel oh so excited now. Thank you Andrew for your interest in science.
I deleted both Facebook and Instagram 4-5 years ago. I am not missing a bit. I can actually allocate that time something more meaningful. All the best my friend. And watch out for reels, it is causing train your brain to attention deficit because content is changing every 30 -50 secs. The fact that you are here at this early age, listening Huberman tells me you are in good direction. All the best my friend 💪
@@ogunkazel8716can you suggest how do you quit it entirely , because I keep relapsing and end up in the same loop ?
@@shilpajain2276 I first got it frozen for 2 months and then I noticed I dont actually lose by not having them. My mental health has improved significantly, there was nothing wrong with mental health to start with but at least I stopped comparing myself with other people and feeling there is something wrong with me, everyone else is figured out, only me left behind. As well as I got rid off all those convincing thoughts that "yeah, my parents and my friends are following me from Instagram or Facebook, they see my life, people are connecting me here". And then one day I just deleted it. Hardest part, Facebook warns you that you cant retrieve your photos once you delete and you actually have attachments to those photos but I actually didnt care that much. One of best decisions I took.
I am glad that I am 50 y/o. I have the ability to connect and disconnect from social media easily. The only social media I use is X and UA-cam but I am careful to set boundaries around them. I mainly use it for information that otherwise I would have to pay for, like this lectures or discussions. Take breaks from technology so often so you could learn how to be with it and without it. Stay committed to your journey!
👍 agreed
My six year old heard this podcast in the car with me while I drive him back and forth from camp. I'm still in tears over the fact that he thanked me for keeping him away from screens, and said he loved me. I honestly didn't even think he was actively listening to everything that was being said, but this was life changing.
😮❤
Wow, that's beautiful! Thanks for sharing. God bless you!
That means they have their attention span on point😉 You are a great mom!!🥰
My 3 year old came to me and said "dad, sometimes people chat shit on the internet for approval because 6 year olds aren't coherent enough to understand this stuff" he brought a tear to my eye, love him to bits
My 1yo boi also thanked me and told me he can use this podcast on his phd
I haven't watched the full podcast yet but what cured my social media, phone and doom scrolling addiction were 3 non-cognitively demanding things (be warned, this might make you laugh at how pathetic I am!)
1-- Portable games console. Unlike social media, a single player videogame has a finite play time with an actual ending. You play a game to indulge in it's gripping story, keep your brain active and your hands busy. Avoid multiplayer online games and go for the ones with great stories.
2-- Carry a notebook around. Journal, write down your thoughts, unleash your inner passion or frustrations, always have a small note book ready at all times and
3-- Carry a small action figure. Yes you heard that right, I have a small pose-able figurine of Batman I carry around like a demented dork that I do action poses whenever I feel like wasting time on my phone. The satisfaction of seeing Batman doing the Gangnam Style pose is usually adequate enough to quell my cravings for something novel on social media at the cost of my friends and family mocking me. Now go forth and be as insane as I am! At least you'll be cured from the endless doomscrolling without relying on drugs!
These are all excellent steps to take.
I’ve done very similar things. It’s all about having dedicated tools for specific things:
Journalling = notebook
Music = modern Walkman
Games = Steam Deck
Reading = Books or Kindle
This cracked me up. Great techniques. Thanks for the mental imagery 😊
I usually do Duolingo to fight the wish to scroll.
Welcome back to the 90s 😂
Thanks for sharing. Hopefully it helps someone else.
Thank you for this interview! I am a high school teacher. As a result of Dr. Haidt’s book “The Anxious Generation” my school board is considering a much more stringent electronic device policy. This policy will effectively ban phones during regular school hours. This issue is so important to me that after reading the book I bought copies for all admins and school board members paid for out of my own pocket.
If you have not been in a high school in the last 10 years, you have no idea how the dynamic has changed. In the best of times teens have had a brief attention span and were socially awkward. Now, well into the smart phone/social media era, attention spans are nonexistent. Face-to-face conversations between teens happen infrequently if at all. Children (teens are still children) will sit in the presence of one another, yet be lost in their digital world. A total phone ban at school is one way to combat this trend of social media social isolation.
And a side benefit is less time that I have to spend saying “little Johnny, put your phone away” and more time for learning!
Kids are allowed phones at my kids school ( from age 13-18 ) but if caught using it anywhere during school hours it’s confiscated immediately and not returned until the end of the school day + a detention is issued. They have a talk at least 1/2 times per year that gets more and more explicit about the dangers online as per what is age appropriate.
That any school allows kids to be accessing their phone in school hours is insane to me. It needs to stop. They should be a break and sanctuary from all that noise and forcing them into real world discussions might be painful to them but very needed.
I hope your school board sees sense and I am sharing with you that others schools are not allowing it and it works fine.
Edit to say we are probably of the same mindset and I agree with you and am demonstrating real world example where it’s not allowed.
Yes so true. Boundaries are necessary❤
The state of Queensland (Australia) completely banned phones at school this year. Good to see the government is doing something.
Another question is - do we actually need schools? :)
Yes, ban the iphones!
Very important to note that even adults that grew up without smartphones are as hooked and affected as teenagers these days.
Yes my Mum who used to get up me for being addicted to my computer now comes home from work, chucks on Netflix while she plays her addictive little games on her phone, including gambling games (spending real money on them), jumps back and forth between those and Facebook and whatever else. She wiil do that all night in her bed (a bed with a remote to change the height of it) and eventually fall asleep still watching the movie or episode she put on.
I'm now the one with blocker apps on my devices and I have to tell her to take a break from technology and go to the gym (she is always complaining about aches and pains which I know she gets from craning her neck into her phone all day).
Absolutely true.
Absolutely true.
Totally. Something has to be done. It's destroying thr world
Watching this on my smartphone.
Scrolling on my smartphone with this in the background
Only you and everybody else.
Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death??
@@nevergiveup5939 to live, to love be loved, to create things, to help others do the same. To experience things from your unique perspective amd learn something from it. That's what I think.
Exactly 😂🤣😂
Born in 89 here and a parent to 3 young children. Something that stood out to me is the fact that parents feel obligated to give their kids a phone because “everyone else’s” kids have one. This feels like a new phenomenon. When I was a kid I was always complaining that I am the only one that doesn’t have this or do that and my parents basically said “so what.” Parents today seem to feel an obligation to assist their children to conforming to peer pressure for acceptance and I wonder if this is the product of adult and parent social media use. This episode is such a blessing as I can get ahead of some of these conversations in my home before they come up. Thank you again for a phenomenal episode!
But how to deal with the genuine distress kids feel at being the only ones without phones?
@@zaks7306 Dr. Haidt mentions finding a group of families with the same rules or making a pact with other families so that they aren’t isolated in their experience. I personally think that it might be a little healthy to be on the outside sometimes. Like the saying goes “if so and so jumped off of a bridge would you?” But I admittedly have yet to be humbled by the teenage years.
I just don’t know how long it’s possible to keep a smartphone out of their hands with all the friends literally “having phone based childhoods”. I feel like the solution might be in better parental controls over the devices but honestly I am not sure it’s as easy as that
My daughter is 11, finishing up 6th grade. She doesn't have a phone and I'm not planning to get her one until 8th grade. Luckily she does have ONE friend who's parents have a similar plan. (Most kids had phones by 4th grade) But she constantly talks about it- what she'll do when she has one, what passcode she'll have, asks about my expectations for privacy, etc. I hate the obsession, but I'm also very lucky that she communicates. She says she understands why, but would still rather have a phone. I think the communication is a key- I let her bring it up when she wants, ask what she wants, and that has helped a lot.
Parents are top concerned with their child's perception of them. Can't let their feeling hurt for even a second. Well guess what? You end up with nothing but a population of emotionally immature adults (children). And we wonder why the structures that have been built are falling apart 🤔
I stopped using social media (besides youtube) cold turkey three years ago and it has been such an improvement in my life. I didn't send one last message, one last post telling everyone i was getting off the apps i just literally stopped going to the sites and using the apps. It's easier to do than one might think even if you're hopelessly addicted like i was, spending ten hours a day scrolling through various groups and online communities. The only things I miss are memes and funny cat pics, the sense of community in various groups but i have real world family and friends who provide that sense of community far more than anyone I've met online aside from a handful of close friends. Make the change yourself It's far far easier than you might think!
Thanks Doc for this one, love the show🙏
Sounds great and all but every time I try I keep UA-cam and just replace the other social medias with more time spent on UA-cam, I can spend 10+ hours a day on UA-cam no problem.
That’s awesome
@@milesralls7972 To true. I basically spend no time on any social media websites, but I spend an unholy amount of time on youtube
My mom has Schizophrenia from last 25 years. She has no mobile, no friends, and doesn't watch TV. She just sits by herself in her room, or most of the time, sleeps. She had no mobile before her illness too.
But if you talk to her, she will patiently and calmly talk to you for long, listen, and most importantly, not get agitated even after a heated argument where only I get stressed. She is so much available. Her thoughts are not influenced by mobile content, social media and endless barrage of "comparison".
Please allow yourself to get "BORED". BOREDOM will help you to explore more in your relationship and life as you become emotionally available for others.
There's really something very peculiar about people who have been untouched by mobile and TV in their lives.
Thanks Dr. Huberman and Dr. Jonathan.
Impressive and inspiring story. This shows how much it's important to reduce social media consumption so that we can value much more direct social interaction.
What is schizophrenia?
Please explain me in your words
I'm new to hear this
R you from india
Considering your name
My mother has schizophrenia too. And all the words spoken by you feel like they’ve come right out of my mouth. On her good days, she is so patient and kind. I often feel I am the hot headed one in front of her. She is also a very understanding person. I often joke around saying mom is the on,y one who does use social media and doesn’t watch television. It’s truly amazing to see how people uninfluenced by social media function in their day to day life. I have also greatly reduced my socials consumption in recent times and I do find myself less overwhelmed in general.
You and your mothers may want to research Dr. Chris Palmer and Dr. Georgia Ede’s books. Also, Metabolic Mind podcast on UA-cam. UA-cam is more of an educational platform for me learning about nutrition and health.
My good friend Luigi sent me
I’ve listened to a few interviews with Jonathan Haidt but this is by far the most interesting one I’ve heard as Huberman and Haidt play off of each other and get each other more and more excited and they are learning from each other in real time. Incredible and such a fun interview.
Agreed 💯
Boredom is absolutely key to healthy brain development in children, and it is an important tool to adults as well. My husband never understood why I let the kids be bored when they were little. Bored kids quickly get creative to give their little brain the dopamine hit it wants. My kids had crafting materials at their disposal, they had a park where I let them range free, and they became creative little people. Even now, my adult son will start creating when bored. Usually cooking or baking! Win!!!
Yess!! I tell my kids when they say "I'm bored" or "it's boring" or "o don't know what to do", I say: "great, your brain is growing now! Boredom is really good for the brain".
And when they ask further what they could do,I say " for whatever I propose, you'd say no or think it's not good enough so go figure out what you want to do". After few mins of dissatisfied face... They come up with the most ingenious activities & creativities 🎉🎉🎉
@@spa11199 i grew up in the early seventies and my parents only permitted me to watch 1-1.5 hours of television a week! Not that there was a lot to watch to begin with. We kids played outside, came up with games and stories, make believe, art sessions, theater productions, learned what plants were edible and went foraging, and so on. Even when it was raining, there were always things to do like crafts, voraciously reading books, or going on walks in wellies and rain coats pretending to be an intrepid explorer on an expedition. You're doing it right! Creativity is like a muscle and exercising it frequently will yield marvelous outcomes.
i crave boredom, so much always going on.
Such a win! I hope when and if your son procreates he carries on your commitment to a play based childhood. As a special education teacher, my kids are being raised similarly. Currently playing Clue and a few days ago used my yarn to spend the day making a bedroom lazer maze. Their rooms are messy, bare feet are filthy, and the happiest tweens I know. ❤ My heart is behind this global movement to save our children.
Thank you!!! I just called some parents who got really exited about getting together and ask the school to take the phones away from our children upon arrival! Let's do this!!!! Thank you so much for this extremely important podcast.
I am 77. Spent all my 20s in Europe. No phone. No TV. No car. Maybe the 10 best years of my life.
I hear you. I am 60. I spent my 20s going to college, moving to Japan to work and live for several years, and after that I spent a year traveling the world solo with a backpack. All without a cellphone. I never watched TV either and had no car. It was the best years of my life too.
Cause U WERE involved.....Just Love.
I swear to God man, life feels like a movie when you go off social media yes this includes all video streaming platforms like UA-cam as well, yes UA-cam is also a social media. I cold turkey quite all medias of our age for a year straight and i am only back on UA-cam since last one and half year, very hard to go back to Facebook and Instagram, let's not even talk about the other brain melt app.
@@Tate525 saturation. Over stimulation. All 24/7. The Only tv I do is football. UA-cam only social media.
Now you are 77 scrolling 😂😂😂
I love how this episode goes back and forth between the two, and they are both getting information from each other.
It's nice
Giving your children a smart phone is not giving them access to the world, it's giving the world access to them.
Mmhhh truth that!!
It's both
Can you explain a little bit more what do you mean?
@@pickupwisdom13
It means everyone from corporations to cult leaders to pedophiles to political propagandists have access to exploit the nations children
:3 Yeah, I know the 90s, as I was born in 89 in Miami, FL, USA.
Jon haidt, his book the happiness hypothesis, is one of the greatest books of all time. I have read a lot a lot a lot of books on mental health. I reread his book recently and it smokes the crap out of 99.9 percent of any book on mental health. The guy is an absolute genius. Has no peers... This man.... Beyond hardcore
This is why I'll raise my kids on the farm where they have responsibilities but still have fun and learn while being outside getting exercise. I think it's a tragedy that we went too far to remove work responsibility from kids. Hell alot of kids never have to do any work untill they graduate from college at 22 or older! That's insane I started helping on the farm by 5, was driving tractors by 12 and doing chore and supervising my younger sibling by 11.
Agree. Grew up that way. And if I wanted kids, they’d be raised that way too. Hell-maybe the reason I’m addicted to my phone is because I’m living in the city and away from what is best. 😮
This is fascinating to me as a parent and as a high school chemistry teacher!!! 🤓
01:21:15 Puberty & Sensitive Periods, Culture & Identity
01:23:55 Brain Development & Puberty; Identity; Social Media, Learning & Reward
I have so many students who think they have anxiety and/or ADHD... 😳
We are fighting for a cell-phone free environment, and we need all the support that we can get, i.e. from science, parents, teachers, and admin!!!
Love what Dr. Haidt said about norm vs law and the rules on:
1. No smart phone until 14
2. No social media until 16
Neither until 18
I became a parent 1 year ago and some of these topics have been worrying me for my childs future. Thank you for addressing it and offering some advice.
Luigi bought me here.
Me too. Free Luigi
Here because Luigi Mangione recommend this, thank you Luigi you'll never be forget ❤❤
Really?
I seem to remember Dr. Anna Lemke saying that addiction narrows the things that you find interest in. And then, even that narrow area of interest no longer gives you pleasure. I think a Modern Day Lent practice should be a 40 day fast from social media and email.
I am an addict, and first step to my recovery was deleting my all social media profiles like facebook, instagram etc. I had more time and space in my life to think about myself and my addiction. Still off social media, sober for almost a year now.
Great work. Happy for you! Keep it going.
@@kylehendrix1455 Thank You for kind words. Have a nice day!
how do you feel?
Eh, in my experience, you should delete UA-cam account as well. YT shorts are becoming more and more dangerous
@@phuongvu527 I am not watchig shots.
“Shame makes us want to disappear” 💯truth.
Watching cos Luigi🥰 retweeted
I feel like so much of life has turned into observing rather than doing because of phone and media use. 49:28
Great way to put it.
Horses communicate via reading awareness of energy / body language… I think women seek the companionship of horses because they require you to be in a calm state of mind…. It feels very good to be near a horse you’ve bonded with… they smell amazing, their skin is so sensitive … nothing more relaxing than watching the sun rise sitting on a tree stump, with a big coffee, your horse nuzzling your hair - hits every sense in a beautiful way
Huberman's description of the dopamine/prolactin cycle was remarkably clear and informative.
I´m a pediatrician. Thank you both, I hope a lot that Dr. Jonathan may manage this absolutly important change, though I´m not that hopeful, umhappily.
I would adore to listen to some more podcasts about children, there almost anything scientifically interesting. Continue!
Would really love to see an episode about Borderline personality disorder. Love everything about this podcast, I watch every episode and feel so informed and it has changed my life in many positive ways. Thank you .
I didn't get social media until I was a senior in high school, and I'm so glad. Social media comes into play with my ADHD paralysis, but I don't feel glued to it. I haven't had tons of the issues that have been described and I'm so grateful.
I love when guests come on and they seem genuinely intrigued about Huberman's knowledge in a certain field! Great episode!
I shared this episode with my young adult son. Dr Huberman, I want to thank you for your work on your mission to share science and science based information. I benefit, I change my habits and I share links to your episodes with friends and family. Incredibly grateful for your work. I'm a pharmacist by trade. Your episodes are always great for my need to continue to feed my curiousioty about health and especially mental health, psychology and neurology.
Both of them are so humble and ready to learn from the other. What an amazing episode!
Im very thankful that I was born in the 80s , played in the 90s by the time I had an iPhone was was over 21 already in 2007. By 2010 I knew everyone would have one . 2024 now I don’t think all of us should !
TALK to your LITTLE kids about why your phone is not a toy. If it is, then fix your own issues first. Talk about how much you prefer speaking rather than messaging. You like being in-person. You like spending time in person. Be explicit.
Unfortunately, logic and explanation is hardly a match for the billions of dollars spent on addicting people to screens. We can't even convince teens to exercise let alone stop using their phones. And kids? Goodluck.
Good point
I agree. And I also blame myself! after all I gave him the phone/playstation! It is a sign of the times but that doesn't make it right. It made my teenage son lazy I feel@@Pimpjit85
Whenever kids will see their peers using their phone as a toy they will do the same, i don’t think that a conversation would be effective to combat that
"You quickly find out who you are by who you are not." So very true❣️
Dr. Huberman, could you do an episode on the best learning strategies? Like to how interleave properly, the best strategy to learn from a textbook, etc.
Thank you.
I minimalisted my phone and computer. Everything on grey scale. All notifications off. Timers on every app. Launch timers too. In only two days, I already feel less stressed. Really recommend everyone to use minimalist phone and grey scale.
Thank you so much for this episode! I was a teenager in 2010 and slid right into social media and all its downsides. This interview made me understand the origins of a lot of issues I deal with now and also gave me great tools to overcome phone addiction. Thanks! ❤
My mom used to play Classical music for me and I grew up loving it. It is not a waste of time. Children love it 😊
Coming from a small town, the loss of play-based childhood is all too apparent. I remember when I was a kid, there used to be days when there wasn't enough space in 4 different football fields across my town and the neighbouring ones. Today, if there is a single group playing in either one of them, it's unusual.
Any of them*. Either is used when comparing two objects.
The part about teen camps is so HUGE!! I have always wanted to start a teen camp because I went to them as a child and have been a counselor at a few and it has been sooo impactful. Thank You
This was so fantastic sometimes I don’t make it to the end but this one was so powerful so informative so actionable I have a four-year-old grandson, a two year-old granddaughter, a newborn and one out in California and wow we love to play outside. We’re gonna keep doing it.
As someone who suffers with extreme severe anxiety I can totally relate to her. I would stop eating for days at a time as a punishment. I worry a lot about my life, everyone around me and pleasing everyone. It's absolutely crippling, so glad she got the help she needed, lovely young lady it's so sad that society has 1 in 3 people suffering mental health issues. I hope everyone seeks help
People need to realise that people with anxiety disorders have oversensitised nerves, it's not a simple case of manning up and getting over it.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about how mushrooms and psychedelics treats anxiety, but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, doctor Greg mushroom I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
Please, how do I reach doctor Greg?
Is he on the internet?
In 2012 I was 12 and got unsupervised access to the internet. Grown men sent me unsolicited inappropriate pictures after asking how old I was. The device didn’t have a camera thankfully because they were asking for pictures of me and I probably would’ve agreed without knowing any better. My older sister and older brother became more depressed and started cutting. I also started cutting as a way to deal with emotions. My parents were on a down hill slope to divorce and didn’t pay any positive attention to us kids. Idk about everyone else but 2012 was a rough time on top of everyone running around saying the world was ending!
Wow, what a wonderful discussion with two gifted communicators with distinct backgrounds. A pleasure to listen to the questions that they asked of each other and learn in the process. Important topics, great subject matter experts and no one unassuredly asking "you know?" or "right?" throughout the conversation. A delight to listen to and learn from!
1:23:35 moved and lived in the States from ages 10 to 13, came back, returned to the US as an exchange student in college (a year), came back, having worked for few different American companies in my home country to this day. Culturally, I feel I don’t fit into neither, but I don’t take it too pessimistically; simply thought that’s just me, regardless of my cross cultural experience, but I can’t live other lives so I don’t know🤷🏻♀️ Only that I’m slightly ashamed and/or feel lucky that I could genuinely believe that “I can always start a new life in the other country (that I’m not living in now)”. I’m ashamed because it sounds unhealthy to negate my current situation, day dreaming that things would be better “if only” I was in the other country, but feel lucky that the belief really supported me through the difficult times growing up from teens into early thirties, until I became content with self. I feel deep empathy and hopelessness for the young people growing up today😢 I hope I’d be useful to support.
It is so important that this message goes out to as many people as possible! We can’t have another lost and isolated generation.
42:50 excellent explanation of the dopamine pathways. As an addictions counselor, I have developed my own personal theory that the reason that people who are addicted to a variety of things engage in behaviors that they would otherwise find morally objectionable i s because their minds have conflated The addictive behavior or substance with something they need to survive. Starving people will do terrible things. People in active addiction will also do terrible things. Furthermore whenever someone who has developed an addiction gets into a weakened state, the craving for their substance or behavior seems to return regardless of how long they have abstained from it.
Canadian here and mother to a teenage boy. Ontario is introducing a suite of measures that will crack down on cellphone use and vaping in schools. I 100% stand by this. Great episode!!
I just listened to the Dr. Haidt podcast and have ordered the Anxious Generation. I am a HS Principal at The American International School of Johannesburg and have shared this widely so we can focus on collective action. Thank you.
I hate when I enjoy something I always think "oh I should be taking some pictures and post them on my social media" why can't I just enjoy the experience to the fullest :(
- No smartphone before high school/puberty
- No social media until 16 y.o - no unlimited internet acces & world accessing them
- Phone-free school (otherwise they're learning rapidly dopamine reinforcement sys)
- independent fun & free play in real world, adventures, experiences
Senitive age: 9-15/16 y.o
My eldest is turning 10. We talk with him on smartphone/ social media impacts & Dopamin 😅. And he has understood that he will get his smartphone "much" later than his peers.
Now to do: find where to get flip phone 😂😂
This should be translated to different languages and shared with teachers and the sensitive age young people.❤❤
My daughter is 12, constantly asking for a phone and I have said no but considered giving her a phone at 14 after watching this I’m going to be reconsidering. She does feel left out but I see the effects on her friends and how much they are consumed by it, I rather her feel a bit left out than a life full of anxiety, depression, needing constant validation or access to strangers.
Dr. Haidt cannot be any more gracious to Dr. Huberman: “I’m a long time listener and I developed many good habits because of you. “ 😂😂
A long awaited book “the anxious generation” is an amazing book. Thanks for this Dr Haidt
Kids shouldn’t be allowed to spend a good portion of their day on social media. It’s full of wrong information that negatively affects their mental health. They should be outdoors with their friends and fellow students playing games like soccer, baseball, football or rugby. There should be more emphasis on social interaction between the kids and less time on social media. Social media is full of toxic ideologies that attack the values of the countries that they live in.
Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death?
@@nevergiveup5939 We die because that’s how it is and there is nothing we can do about it lol. After death comes rebirth into a new body, and one that is incorruptible or will ever suffer pain or death for eternity.
We have 4 kids and our oldest daughter is 12 and she is the only one without a phone in her class and she desperately wants one but we say no because we know the danger with this but its very difficult when everyone else has, we will give her a phone though where we can have contact etc..but she say she doesnt want to use it because its not new and like the others.
Also this addiction and dopamin kicks is for all adults aswell, we dont interact with the kids as before and also that is what the kids are seeing so its for all of us, to take the phone away and actually do things together ❤
Fantastic episode. As someone who works in the film industry, we’ve seen more algorithmic and spreadsheet based storytelling. Also storytelling with identity politics driven agendas. The streaming platforms themselves perpetuate the same kind of content for the user so audiences are no longer exposed or interested in a diverse range of genres. Also, with the loss of appointment based set time slot television, we’ve lost our collective experience of consuming and sharing storytelling, both in the theaters and at home. No one is going to work or school anymore saying, “did you see last night’s episode of…”. Studios have to also acknowledge that attention spans have eroded, gone are long fancy opening title sequences with theme music, people look at storytelling as a distraction and equate its value to a thumbnail on the TV screen. Young people simply don’t look at movies as an adventure anymore or a collective experience. Storytelling is an important part of our culture and collective experience, has been in even indigenous communities for hundreds of years, and I equate smart phones, social media and streaming platforms to the slow demise of our interest and shared experience of storytelling. I don’t think it’ll ever turn around at this point.
From a writer to a filmmaker, this is quite discouraging to read... people still read books, albeit very few... they'll still watch movies..
I was born in 2005 and i used to wish so badly just to have been born maybe 10 years earlier. Having social media as a teenager is pivotal to one’s social life, especially in puberty.
I was the last generation to grow up without mobile phones. So grateful.
It doesn't have to be. It can take some mental resolve and courage but you can stand out from the crowd and not participate in the madness for your own sake, or use it for specific, mindful purposes. Most people won't, but you can.
It was pushed upon you. It wasn't your fault.
@@FL-ur3wg yeah that’s what Robin Williams would say.
@@peripheralparadox4218 Why would he say that?
Well this is the most terrifying episode of a podcast I’ve ever listened to. My kids are tracking in the exact timeline as the phone based childhood.
타임스탬프
00:00:00 Dr. Jonathan Haidt
00:02:01 스폰서: Helix Sleep, AeroPress & Joovv
00:06:23 어린 시절의 대전환: 기술, 스마트폰 & 소셜 미디어
00:12:48 정신 건강 트렌드: 소년, 소녀 & 스마트폰
00:16:26 스마트폰 사용, 놀이 기반에서 전화 기반 어린 시절로의 전환
00:20:40 놀이 기반 어린 시절을 잃는 비극
00:28:13 스폰서: AG1
00:30:02 소녀 vs. 소년, 관심사 & 아이들 함정에 빠뜨리기
00:37:31 “효과성,” 시스템 & 관계, 동물
00:41:47 소년들의 성 발달, 도파민 강화 & 포르노그래피
00:49:19 소년들, 구애, 기사도 & 기술; Z세대 발달
00:55:24 놀이 & 저위험 실수, 비디오 게임 & 소셜 미디어, 갈등 해결
00:59:48 스폰서: LMNT
01:01:23 소셜 미디어, 트롤, 성과
01:06:47 역동적 하위, 위계, 소년
01:10:15 소녀 & 완벽주의, 소셜 미디어 & 성과
01:14:00 전화 기반 어린 시절 & 두뇌 발달, 중요한 시기
01:21:15 사춘기 & 민감한 시기, 문화 & 정체성
01:23:55 두뇌 발달 & 사춘기; 정체성; 소셜 미디어, 학습 & 보상
01:33:37 도구: 아이들의 스마트폰 사용을 위한 4가지 권장 사항
01:41:48 어린 시절 규범의 변화, 정책 & 법률
01:49:13 여름 캠프, 팀 스포츠, 종교, 음악
01:54:36 지루함, 중독 & 스마트폰; 도구: “경이 산책”
02:03:14 카지노 비유 & 어린 시절의 양도; 소셜 미디어 콘텐츠
02:09:33 성인 행동; 도구: 식사 & 전화
02:11:45 어린 시절 독립성 회복; 도구: 가족 그룹 & 전화
02:16:09 화면 & 미래 낙관주의, 집단 행동, KOSA 법안
02:24:52 제로 비용 지원, Spotify & Apple 리뷰, UA-cam 피드백, 소셜 미디어, Neural Network 뉴스레터
I would simply LOVE if you did a podcast with Temple Grandin, as you and her are some of the people I look up to the most. I'm studying biology at university, I'm a visual thinker such as lovely Temple, and I'm so inspired by every one of your podcasts. I reckon a lot of people, such as myself, could gain a whole bunch from a conversation between the two of you.
That would be great!
This was an excellent episode. I really enjoyed this guest, and its quite a hopeful message for a really pressing issue.
Great way to start Monday,informative and positive podcast. Yes, social media is addictive at any age.
40:25 I was a horsey girl, had my own from ages 13-16. The caregiving and nurturing, brushing, grooming, feeding and just hanging out with my Shakoa were the best part. Riding for me was on trails in nature, not much ring work, jumping, etc. Just thought I would add my 2 cents to the "anecdata" (love this term!). I think you are spot on, Dr. AH...
Yes! People should not underestimate the incredible skills and personality-adjusting powers of working with horses. Horses can “take the edge off,” and make you think calmly and clearly about situations. Horses can also build assertiveness in a meaningful way.
@@LadyeStagsleapStudioAre you kidding me? Some of the most mentally unstable people I know work(ed) with horses. It is by no means a panacea for mental health issues.
@@LadyeStagsleapStudio Are you kidding me? Some of the most unstable people I know ride/ rode horseback. It is not a panacea for mental health issues.
I dated horsey women in 2003 and 2005 they are insurable bores I couldn't compete with the horses ..
@@MattTHX-io4tk Don't worry Matt, I would not have dated you. Besides, I was only 13 - 16 y.o. What is the point of your reply? I was contributing to Dr. Huberman's anecdata. And don't worry, I wouldn't date you now, either. 💃
Andrew huberman ❌❌
Andrew Superman ✔️✔️
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More like Andrew Uberman :-)
Andy Ubermensch
They are two of my favorite guys in dialog with one another! Fabulous.
Thank you Andrew for your work. Incredible density of high quality information and broad range of interesting guests. Greetings from Poland!
1:45:28 "If you pass laws that are out of phase with people's norms, they are going to really hate you and they are going to resent it. So let's start with a norm change."
To restore childhood 👶🍼
1. No smartphone before high school (18 yrs)
2. No social media before 16
3. Phone free schools
4.More independence, free play & responsibility in the real world (through sports, friends, adventure, etc)
Such a fantastic episode. As a parent of teens, this is exactly what I've been waiting to hear about. Thank you for this episode. 🙌🏻
Dr Haidt seems like such a cool guy, he was so intrigued and wanting to learn more himself, so dope!
💯
he is a sadist that gets triggered by people being happy on social media.
Around 1:37:00 the guest talks about "running the gauntlet" which ends with a video showing a person being dismembered alive. I had a client who was in a gang and exposed to a similar, real-life experience like that as a young boy, age 7. After all the violence he has committed in his life and been exposed to, he is still haunted by that first experience and talked about that more than anything else. The fact that children can be exposed to something like that via the internet is absolutely tragic.
I wish this wasn't focused on children. I would like to see a version of this focused on adults
I’m looking forward to this. I’m a big fan of Dr. Haigt and his work. Most of my immediate family are teachers and have been for generations. I hear the stories of what’s going on now. It’s frightening. As an RN I’ve decided recently to look into research on AD use with children and teenagers since their introduction. I’ll keep you posted. Thanks again Andrew. PS I’d be interested to hear Rick’s thoughts on how different the music is now. There seems to be a different energy about it that’s strange to explain. Gen Zs experience is so different than even my Gen X contemporaries.
When I think about my children's future, I get really worried. Everything Dr.Haidt said is true. Can't be negligent these days...
luigi
哈哈哈啊哈哈，果然还是来了
We need an adults episode.
Not social media until near 40s and still trapped in endless hours on screen
We "adults" are not free of this addiction
social media is not responsible for your problems. have you seen where your food is coming from? we cant just force animals and plants to suffer in domestication and expect to live great lives. they are genetically modified, sprayed with chemicals, pollution in the air is getting worse, i can go on.
wildlife exploitation is responsible for all our problems.
Version for adults please. Was super interesting to learn about child biology, but based on your title description I expected something more applicable to adults. Thanks for considering!
THIS IS NONSENSE! I AM GEN X, THERE WERE NO SMARTPHONES DURING MY CHILDHOOD AND I STILL HAVE SEVERE ANXIETY, AMONG OTHER THINGS BECAUSE OF MY CRAPPY CHILDHOOD- IN ADDITION TO THE MISERIES AT HOME, I WAS ALWAYS BEING PICKED ON BY OTHER KIDS AT SCHOOL AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD- SO, WHAT THE HELL WAS SO GREAT ABOUT GOING OUTSIDE TO PLAY?!
PEOPLE NEVER WANNA TALK ABOUT THE REAL REASONS PEOPLE HAVE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, ETC., ITS BECAUSE MOST OF US WERE RAISED BY TOXIC PARENTS/FAMILIES/TEACHERS WHO SCREWED US UP FOR LIFE, AND GET AWAY WITH IT. STOP MAKING UP AGENDAS TO SELL BOOKS. AND KIDS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE IN SCHOOL, JUST IN CASE SOMEONE TRIES TO TOUCH THEM IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. YES I'M USING ALL CAPS CAUSE THIS NONSENSE IS IRRITATING ME!
I wonder how much of Luigi’s depression relating to his own health problems has to do with his family’s wealth and prominence? Like how an Icarus deals with real personal misfortune? He stopped being on social media a month before the summer Olympics, wonder how much of that was a reminder of his new physical limitations after being such a sports star most his life? If he had a problem with the CEO, why get off social media at a time when he actually wanted social influence? Why not organize and educate, instead of resorting to murder? It points to an entitlement problem.
Exactly! I suffered more in the 90s/ early 2000s. I’m an xennial, whatever that means.
Such an important message - from a super conversation. I'll certainly share this video, as it should be watched and its importance be understood as widely as possible. Thank you for making it.
Hi Andrew, I've just finished a book about inner voices and the scientific explanation behind them which I found very interesting but a bit complicated in content. It would be really great if you could make it into an episode of the podcast. The way you explain things (especially the episode on dopamine, which I loved) is easy to understand.
I have a lot of questions about this subject, which seems to me to be a current social issue. For example: Why do we hear positive things and negative things? How is this created in our brain? What techniques could help us work on our David Goggin-esque voice?
Thanks in advance, Cheers
what book have you read?
Very important episode. Thank you! I have four adult sons in their 20s. How I wish I had known this! Passing it on to them and others. They see what their phones have done to them. We are now all working to wisely order our souls.
21:43 Haidt describing this "Tragedy in 3 Acts" is one of the most interesting things I've heard all year.
very informative episode and probably the best interview with Dr. Haidt, thank you
I find making my phone grayscale helps. Because it’s visually less interesting, I’m not on it as much.
Me too!
Yes i have this set up before bedtime but i should start doing it more often lol
Three point plan
1. Litigation: Sue the medium, yes, Apple and Google, for the destruction they have caused society.
2. Ad campaign: Create “This is your brain on drugs” ads, but with phones.
3. App: Develop an app, supported by school districts, that parents can put on their children’s smartphones that will allow them to call their parents, but blocks everything else during school hours.
Hey love your podcast and Dr. Haidt seems like he has a lot of important things to say. I’m halfway through the podcast and I just want to point out that a lot of this conversation is about boys and men and not about the girls. This is partially natural considering you both are men, however considering the facts originally stated at the start of the podcast, and the fact that girlhood is often treated as a mystery to be ignored instead of treated scientifically, I encourage you guys to speak up more about that particular subject. I do love the podcast, and thank you for your work.
Hey there, please,have look into Dr Haidt’s book (“The anxious generation”). There you’ll find girls and boys equally studied, analyzed and their specific issues explained.
I think in the podcast they shared their personal experiences (as boys/ men).
Could ”no social media before 16” or no phone before 14 do more harm than good? Could it create the feeling of being left out and miserable for this child? I agree with everything, but what do you do if your the only parent implementing this?
Brilliant episode - but frightening.
I've a 14 year old who would stare at her screen all day long. I'm a terribly cruel parent because I constantly block the anti-social-media platforms. I understand the perils of it. She doesn't.
I use your parents' line to her Andrew - " Hate me now, love me later." 😎
Jonathan's right, it's turning the kids totally shallow. It's really frightening.
Let's get these new norms set asap eh!
Thanks for another great episode.🧡
you might be right to not let your kid use social media. im 25 and my parents werent very strict about my phone usage, and i see the consiquences in my life. everyones addicted to their phones whether its social media or other forms of entertainment, and of course that harms mental health, but in the future i predict we will realize that constant phone use is distruptive to brain development too. we dont know all the ways these devices effect us. we are all taking part in an experiment
@thehandliesthandle you said that very well Matt. I agree with you that we are all part of a global experiment. I'm sorry you feel you've lost out on so much of your youth because of these damn "smart" phones. And if you feel like this, so will your peers eh.
Social media use hasn't been rolling that long and it's already demonstrated instantaneously disastrous outcomes for young people as Jonathan Haidt points out.
I really hope his ideas for new norms are pushed through. And soon.🙏
This is a marvelous scientific duo to fully grasp the size and depth of damage done to children across the world. thank you so much
I finished watching, agree with everything!
It was posted 1hr ago. You watched in 2x?
@@tiffanyapril5458 exactly 👍
I like the thin ice metaphor around 1:06 -- I’m finding it increasingly difficult to hang out with who were my best friends who I felt totally safe but now it’s becoming they want to document everything and I find myself having to request hey can you not film me we’re like eating or drinking or just by the pool etc
This entire podcast is great and I agree with everything. I went to Charleston southern university 2010-2015 and thankful for being 32 today and not 27 or younger. The 22 year old today wants to be what the 32 goals are if that makes sense.
All nervous no system gen z and as a millennial im starting to feel it to. I just deactivated my media.
I live in NC and with the hurricane photos have gone viral of keeps playing together outside like it was the 90s again 🫤
My dumbed-down conclusions:
1. A play-based childhood is far superior to a phone-based childhood for good physical and mental development.
2. Implement the following norms at the family unit to restore a play-based childhood:
a. no smartphones till 16
b. no social media accounts till 18
c. more real world responsibility and freedom given to the child.