ARAMRECON it’s because all of narutos conflicts come from politics and real life things. It’s sad that nagato and konan went through what they went through because of war. Everything in naruto relates to real life.
Pain's almighty push is sure an overwhelming power. But Tsunade literally saved everyone in Konoha from getting crushed. And that itself makes her great.
@@MrAnimescrazy So are 99% percent of Shinobi. Even the other Kages wouldn't be able take Pain down. Naruto only won because he managed to convince Pain to join his side and Pain was holding back the whole time
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess I was specifically talking about Tsunade. She would get destroyed by a large percentage of shinobi in the series who have ranged attacks etc. She is only good in hand to hand and healing. Of course pain would destroy a large percentage of shinobi and yeah the kages are not that good. Talk no jutsu is the strongest jutsu of the series everyone knows that already.
@@donnellebarfield3964 true. But she is the best hokage and the only hokage who didn't start a war. She understood the pain of those orphans since she too was an orphan and losing of loved ones such as her brother and Dan. She cared bout her own village and other small villages like the hidden rain, waterfall, etc etc. That is why I think she is the best hokage. She didn't start a war, administrated her village properly and already made an alliance with one of the 5 great nations. Well ig minato didn't start a war too, but he was hokage for like 2 years. And kakashi and Naruto too but they became hokage in an Era of peace so...
true. But she is the best hokage and the only hokage who didn't start a war. She understood the pain of those orphans since she too was an orphan and losing of loved ones such as her brother and Dan. She cared bout her own village and other small villages like the hidden rain, waterfall, etc etc. That is why I think she is the best hokage. She didn't start a war, administrated her village properly and already made an alliance with one of the 5 great nations. Well ig minato didn't start a war too, but he was hokage for like 2 years. And kakashi and Naruto too but they became hokage in an Era of peace so...
@@dannyp4312 she was. All the sannin were orphans. She lost her parents in the first war, and mito (her grandmother and hashirama's wife) took care of her and nawaki( his name was nawaki I am pretty sure)
@@Srinidhi127 say what you will but he tried peaceful solutions after he met jiraiya and look where that got him, konoha wanted the hidden rain suffering to continue so they drove a wedge between the akatsuki and Hanzo only for Obito to play him into joining him and everything was bad as it is since every akatsuki was murdered so Nagato saw that the five kage are the real enemy since they won't leave his village alone
@@Srinidhi127 Not all of the Sannin were orphans. Jiraiya's parents were alive as he admitted in the series and nowhere does it say Tsunade was an orphan, just pampered by her grandparents. Only Orochimaru was outright shown to have lost his parents. You assume a lot.
@@devinreis5811 I made that up. I feel like Tsunade is motherly to Naruto, despite them being distant relatives. I mean she’s very supportive of him and his dreams
Fun fact kishimoto actually intended for Tsunade and Pain to have a big battle but he changed his mind because he thought it would take away from Naruto’s fight with Pain
The way people despise Tsunade is ludicrous. She's just and has the guts to state facts. This is the woman who was motivated by the death of her loved ones to establish the medical system and went on to treat countless nasty war-inflicted wounds. No one seems to give her enough credit to the duality of her power. Add Tsunade to the Akatsuki and you can say farewells to all villages. It doesn't take a medical specialist to understand the horror she witnessed being in her past position, which might have been far more traumatizing than what Pain saw. Pain lost his family to Konoha shinobis and his comrades to powerful foes and he chose to do the SAME to innocent villagers. He planned to gather resources to create an ultimate weapon to eliminate all opposition. If he were such an all-knowing god, why would he do something that would equate him with his past oppressors, which would indirectly justify their wrongdoings? At this point, he was indeed a terrorist and he would have erased the village anyway. With the exception of the first Hokage, all other kages would have been powerless against his last blow. Tsunade was the only one who could have safeguarded the lives of the villagers. Had she recklessly fought Pain like some myopic suggestions, the Leaf would have been all the way dead. Hinata would have never lived to trigger that emotional eruption. Naruto would have come home to bones and ashes. A hollow victory with no meaning. Tsunade is a human being fighting the first presentation of a god. There was only so much she could do. Even Naruto at the point was not enough to actually take Pain on.
I think what pain went through was far more traumatizing considering those were his parents and he was so young on top of the fact that he lived in a war zone for a good chunk of his life so anything Tsunade saw pain likely saw and 1000 times more than Tsunade ever did without any escape from those sights. I think you don’t understand pain’s philosophy and pains actions. Pain mainly tormented the past rulers of his village and he did kill some civilians through his authoritarian rule but that was nothing compared to what the five nations did to that village. All that happened was they couldn’t speak out against him and had to work for him meanwhile the five nations annihilated the village killing soldiers and civilians alike while destroying any resources or infrastructure people could use to survive. Sure he wasn’t a good leader but he didn’t do what the leaf did to them, he only did what the leaf did back. As for the weapon, it wasn’t to destroy opposition it was to end war. He already had the means to destroy any village who dared oppose him as was seen in this arc (in which he could’ve chosen to have kept fighting and won with the help of Konan). The only reason that weapon would exist in his eyes would be to scare everyone into never fighting another war again similar to what nuclear bombs have done for the modern world. We don’t treat the scientists that created that weapon as we see pain despite the fact that they led to the real deaths of hundreds of thousands. Why? Because tens of millions would’ve died without them. In my view this is the aspect of pains ideology that’s right but you distorted it to the point where it’s not even remotely related.
Lady Tsunade Fan I mean, not to defend a guy that was clearly insane but he made several good points about how war benefited the stronger nations so it wasn't all bs; it's more like Tsunade was far more hardened than Naruto.
Lady Tsunade Fan you're missing the point. Even if his grievances were legitimate, Nagato was basically a kid looking for attention, just like Naruto was when pulling his pranks, so he could understand his views better and he made doing this a priority, while Tsunade had her own in making sure her village survived Nagato's "prank".
It's simple tsunade doesn't have the mindset naruto has naruto actually listened to pains words cause understood them tsunade is no different than the third hokage ignorant and stuck in their ways the leaf got big off pains people suffering saying that her village and it's people suffered like pains did it complete and utter bullshit
@@musicsyndrome1413 pain felt,because of the powers he had, that it was his duty to be the one to save the world from the big nations and wars... Coz god is not doing anything, he may have thought he needs a new god that will actually do sth and thus was "God" born. Pretty interesting
@@PersonaofWill actually it is this is a cause and effect situation leaf village and other villages don't fight pointless wars in his village no pain, no pain equals no destruction of the leaf
If I were to look at this through Tsunade's perspective, she has indeed experienced her fair share of pain, ranging from the loss of both her little brother and the man she loved, and not only that, it's likely she also knew Minato and Kushina, and the loss of both of them hit her just as much as it did Jiraiya. She also lived through two great ninja wars, and the ever growing amount of pain and loss that came with it, so living through all of that pain allowed her to understand just how cruel the world is. However, she never once saw the way all of that pain affected the people she was fighting, how it must've made them feel to lose the ones they cared about. Hell, she was thinking the same thing Orochimaru was when Jiraiya allowed Konan, Yahiko, and Nagato to be his students, which was to kill them. Now, unfortunately, I can also agree with Nagato's point of view. Being at the center of the hostility between the Five Great Nations, the Hidden Rain Village was a war zone with no end to the suffering that would come from the violence. And Nagato saw just how horrifying war is after watching his parents die in front of him, and then learn what it means to kill, and the power that he had deep inside of him. And finally, witnessing the death of his best friend. Though vastly different in terms of what happened to both of them, both have experienced enormous amounts of pain and suffering in their lives, but neither could come to understand each other, because all they could understand was violence. Nagato understood pain as an avenue for peace, but he didn't understand empathy for those that have experienced pain the same way he has. All he understood was what war had taught him, which is just to exact more vengeance and pain on others that he believed deserved it, not because of what they did, but because he just couldn't stop spreading hate and anger on children and adults who have only been doing what they need to to survive.
Precious things, important things. Irreplaceable things... You aren't the only one who has the. Long ago, i also... had things i felt that way about. But they're all gone. The war... took them away. False peace and ambition... trivial ventures bred war... and my precious things were taken. My parents, my friends... everything disappeared before my eyes. I hated the war and i loathed the world that had produced it. But... at the same time, i thought if war could be stopped, hatred would disappear as well... that would bring peace to this world. So, how could it be done? The answer was quite simple. I needed to become a god. And guide the world so that war would vanish. If i did so, there would be no loose ends. No one would be full of hate, as i was. So, in my own way, i acted to realize the peace i'm visualized. Do you see? This is my justice. The true peace Jiraiya spoke of doesn't exist. The only peace here is the one built upon sacrifices. What suits this Cursed World... is a cursed peace. Konoha reaped what planted...
@@PersonaofWill Pain was right lol. Yes everybody suffered in the ninja world. But Pain Believed his pain was greater, yes that could’ve been ignorance by him. But he totally was not wrong..
@@PersonaofWill Don't compare the real world with Naruto, you have to be in Nagato's position. Just because of the foolishness and ego of the other great villages his family and his village was destroyed. He wanted to create peace by eliminating everyone in the world because of the hatred everyone held. You can't deny that everyone in the Naruto universe did hate someone or a type of people. When he gains world dominance, they're won't be hatred because there won't be anyone who hate him, because the akatsuki would be ruling the world. Then the cycle of hatred and the world would be rectified. A new world and dominance would arise and that would lead to not having separate villages and having the whole shinobi world under the akatsuki's control. This makes everyone equal and not having different villages gaining and having greed for power, when the akatsuki are the leaders of the shinobi world. The Akatsuki have a group of people with high chakra and half of em are close to immortal. They would have full control of the world with the infinite tsukinomi and no one would start wars because they are living in the control of Madara and the akatsuki. ALSO, Pain was just a mere pawn of Madara, so his ideology is just Madara's. But Madara has more hate for Hashirama and the leaf village and the shinobi system. SO YEAH.... IN the naruto universe and the perspective of Madara and Pain this made sense, but not irl of course not for many reasons.
@@PersonaofWill his anger is not just with the leaf village, its all of the hidden nations. He isn't wrong, nobody's ideals are straight up wrong. It was just his perspective and how he saw it. Tsunade didn't become a terrorist because she had people and friends and comrades still around her. She had people still depending on her and she had many people who loved her still. However, Nagato was just left with Yahiko's Pain and Konan. Ofc Nagato would never win, the anime weren't ever gonna let naruto die that early in shippuden lol. Nagato's role in the anime was a villain, ofc hes gonna have a god complex, he has the rinnegan, hes the reincarnation of the 6 paths. Even in the anime, when Pain was done his "speech" to Naruto, even Naruto was "speechless". Even when pain asked him "how would you confront this hatred" he said "I don't know". Regardless of he's right, his decision and ideals are reasonable for the position he saw his village, his family, his comrades had. Remember, Tsunade had the people of the village during her sorrow, however what did Nagato have? NOTHING, Nagato had no one and nothing, his decision is reasonable but what is it right? In his perspective, yeah but in Tsunade's perspective ofc not.
@Musashi Miyamoto Um... Try again, hun. Kishimoto HIMSELF stated that Tsunade was originally supposed to fight Pain but he wanted Naruto shine because he'd been away for a while. Tsunade was more than capable of handling him.
@@animegraveyard776 LMAO Pain would fuck her up lmao, Pain would just Shinra Tensei her until her Byakugou Seal wears off and she can't regenerate anymore.
"I cannot say that everything the Leaf did in the past was just or correct," This is why Tsunade was the best Hokage. She's the only person to call Danzo's bull shit like this.
Nagato did have a point. Tsunade really does need to climb off her high horse. It was her village that started not one but 2/3 of the Great Ninja Wars. So they have absolutely no right to preach about peace when they had no qualms about invading a smaller nation full of innocent civilians and using their home as a warzone
@@dmaxdoby that was according to kishimoto during an interview by alot of platform and also if you remember tsunade was a very skill in Taijustu and Taijustu is one of the key to defeat the other body of pain
@@nash6568 you are right but a good Shinra Tensia with soul grab should to the trick, if it doesn’t I guess the planetary deviation and the gedo maze will take care of any stragglers
I love the moment when Pain shows off and releases a little chakra. The black ops are intimidated and pushed back a little. Tsunade just seemed mildly annoyed.
@@Rushking20 Plot is what makes a story. Be it anime, movie, TV series, every villain dies by plot. Sometimes more believable and realistically, sometimes through asspulls.
Pain/Nagato is such a broken individual with a god complex that he uses trauma to justify. It’s classic manipulation. “What I’ve gone through is worse than what you went through, so you longer matter”. If Yahiko could see Nagato as he is now, he’d never support it. Using Yahiko’s name and sacrifice to advocate his evil deeds and STILL believing himself to be just is true arrogance. His dogma blinded him to the suffering of the innocent and caused him to unleash dangerous criminals on the innocent. Like....dude no you failed lol
Everything pain said is true. The Shinobi villages exist to make war and spread violence. they're literally based on real life medieval Shogun and ninjas, who were warlords that invaded villages and killed people to expand their power
you know what, pain arc was the best arc with the best events in naruto, one that always hit me hard is, we were there since the beginning, when naruto was an outcast that no one gave a fuck, but in this arc we saw everyone in his school fight till death to protect his location, man i love naruto as series so much
Naw they came for Naruto and to destroy the village. He would’ve done it anyway. That’s why plot had gai sensei out the village cause he would’ve fucked pain up.
@@darkgrandpriest1645 He fucked the village up but he wasn't planning on completely turning it to dust until Tsuande ran her mouth. One of Tsuande's subordinates even says "maybe we should just let him leave so we can regroup" or something like that and she just kept talking. Even Konan was surprised that he leveled the village because he didn't come there to do that. Once he got the nine tails and all the other tailed beasts, it seems like he would've ended up doing something similar, but not at this very moment.
To think that people underestimate Tsunade's skills is beyond me. She has proven time and time again that she is a kage level shinobi. This was one of those instances.
Pain’s offer is interesting when you consider the Land of Lighting would have been his last target. Possibly seeking to make the Leaf another stronghold for the Akatsuki.
@@awokwok1029 right in what sense that the leaf has suffered a great ordeal like everyone else in the 2nd and 3rd great ninja wars? Nope wrong but alright let’s just have comparison for the sake of Tsunade’s argument tell me who do you think have the more chances to have a sense of stability and proper maintaining said loss and grief? That’s right the leaf and what does the hidden rain posses? Just hanzo alone not a full on conscript hidden rain army to protect it in pale comparisons to the other villages and thus people like nagato and his parents including yahiko Konan and other Ame orphans came to be is that they had to deal with the full frontal assault from all 3 war mongering giants clashing down into their throats not having a minute or 2 to catch a breather it is no different with both Uk and the US when they launch their own said assault in the Middle East difference being is the battlegrounds itself that oh also forgotten livelihoods destroyed even if the hidden rain managed to recover in what any economic sense they’re able to recover the damages being dealt and you don’t see the daiymo lords or respective Kages compensating nations like the hidden rain any charitable work let alone loses the smaller nations just do not have compare to the 3 giants surrounding them and hanzo is no better as well considering when he took power and control it’s not like he was doing anything major to improve the lives of the hidden rain his more of a autocracy who clings to his own and only his own and when he heard of yahiko akatsuki on behalf of our favourite scum himself Danzo was threatened by yahiko even tho originally in the anime yahiko akatsuki is far more honourable and is actually making changes compare to hanzo and thus Pain was born when he died and later on with 6 paths of pain he killed hanzo and with konan they took charge and if u read the light novels of the akatsuki especially where konan essentially rules the hidden rain but better than hanzo ever did and as we turn our attention to said great nations smaller nations like hidden rain doesn’t have that luxury of gifted let alone natural born leaders who are able let alone educated and have the means to protect said village compare to Konoha the Stone and the Sand is fking blasphemy really so to say when tsunade mentions the leaf suffered a great ordeal just like the hidden rain is pure other nonsense yes in terms of loses and lives everyone loses but that’s fking war it’s inevitable but the ones that created it and ironically making money off does that reminds you of anything? Uh huh yeah it’s the same as our modern day proxy wars only difference in the naruto universe is that they don’t give a shit about it and just prefer a pure all out warfare with one another and nations people like Nagato is dealing with it the worse in pale comparison with Tsunade while yes Tsunade have indeed lost both Dan and her brother but she still have her comrades 3rd hokage , jiraya and shizune compare to Nagato where yahiko died and konan also in her own way tried to assist nagato but at that time it was too late for nagato and even if he did not summon the Gedo statue both he and konan would’ve died so it was inevitable for Nagato to go ape shit and posses a god complex which in his Defense he kinda is since he posses the rinnegan with the outer path he did. played god and bringing everyone in Konoha back to life anyway pain serves as a natural consequence itself incarnate where even a great Konoha is no better let alone immune of said paying for consequences that was dealt by them let alone one at the top hierarchy like Danzo and as long Danzos continue to exist in the naruto universe there will always be pains running about and Tsunade’s ridiculous statements preaching that they have also suffered a great ordeal as well where in reality comparisons it’s not the same and thus as Nagato said as long as everyone has felt the same pain there could never be hatred to bear against one another and thus a sense of equality is formed how else do you think that one alcoholic is able to know what the other is going through? Same thing could be said for shinobi In the narutoverse only difference is that shinobi the great nations are simply way to arrogant and proud let alone patriotic to never admit their flaws and wrong doings alike for their own respective villages let alone proper compensations to said victims of war which is a luxury that smaller nations in the narutoverse simply do not have to where the greater nations has there’s something to be kept with a open mind in topics such as these and in the end naruto did accomplish it with understanding Nagato cuz he’s the MC and not Tsunade and thus becoming the hero of the leaf where Nagato just left to wither away slowly and the village itself and its inhabitants being the sly snakes they are showed gratification when their asses where saved by naruto where in reality it wasn’t him it was Nagato who brought them back so they naruto wouldn’t have to feel anymore guilty or depressed when coming back to the village and thus in a alternate world where Nagato doesn’t Rinne rebirth konoha naruto and his generation will know how Nagato and his peers were like when they faced the 2nd and 3rd Great Shinobi wars people close to them died jiraya and kakashi and several others as well and Nagato in the end was convinced and got talk no jutsu by naruto deciding to put said trust to him Rinne rebirth Konoha and everyone coming back to life and the end the death of pain aka Nagato while naruto the hero emerges
@@Eluvien737 lmao did you even watch the whole series? Tsunade spoke based on her experience too. She lost her parents, grandfather, boyfriend and brother and she developed her fear of blood for many years. It's a trauma for her. Also she said what what leaf village has done in the past was NOT RIGHT, she admitted that. Jiraiya taught them kindness, Obito brainwashed them. Also he became evil when Hanzo and Danzo tried to kill them. But Tsunade was right. What he did in this episode is totally WRONG. He wants revenge and he almost killed innocent children here.
@@awokwok1029she wasn’t right in the slightest there’s a difference between suffering at the hands of others and suffer due to one’s incompetence and the leaf village is the latter
Nah, katsuyu was still with him and there were large chunks of her all around the village so if he did, she would come to his rescue and turn her self into that..... Ummm what was that called? Idk... But turn herself into a slimy liquid to cover him
Ikr! Tsunade became an orphan after the 1st great ninja war ended and mito took care of her, she lost her younger brother, then the man she loved, then her friend (and i believe she had some feelings for jiraiya in the end). But still what Nagato suffered was quite bad. But compared to tsunade, tsunade has suffered more pain
@@Srinidhi127 Not even close. Tsunade was not originally an orphan. Tsunade was pampered by her grandfather and parents before they died, but lost her brother and her lover and endured the horrors of war before going on a gambling spree. Pain was born in poverty, watched his parents die, struggled to steal to survive in a broken poor country, was raised as a child soldier along with his friends to defend himself, watched his best friend and dreams of peace die, and eventually went on a spree of killing. You tell me who suffered more?
@@EmptyMan000 lemme get this straight, the amount of people someone loses in their lives has nothing to with how much they suffered. When I say that Tsunade suffered more, I meant not actually blaming someone else for it and seeking revenge like Nagato. Pain is pain. But how someone tries to get rid of it, shows if they are still going through it or not. Tsunade never moved on which made her suffer more, Nagato partially moved on by killing the person who killed his friend, and also by destroying Konoha. If anything, Nagato had this mindset that no one else suffered more than him, which is completely wrong. How much happens to you will never determine whether you or the other person suffered more, how much longer you stick on to it shows how much you suffered.
I’m a true Fan of Naruto & I Can’t Stop helping To Agree With All Of Pain’s Speches I just can’t help but to agree with him. If you think about hatred, Peace & Understanding Each Other Hear In The Real World.
See just seeing all the opinions in the comments reslly solidifies it for me....this is the best src of naruto. Yes evrrything Pain says can be applied to the real world. Yes Tsunade and Nagato both have valid points. Its one of, like, the FOUR times watching anime where i really had to stop and be like...."FUCK". Just so pwerful and meaningful. I truly believe this is the best scene in all of anime. Aside from Spike Spiegel's goodbye. But I'll admit thats just bias....
It was just like this when my parents were cute right before my eyes my parents died all because of the shinobi war that your hidden start why is it always like this once you've been hurt you learn what it is to hate but if you hurt another you become hater and you shoulder a sense of guilt however it's because one Understands Pain such as that that one becomes generous toward others what you all call peace is only one through violence against us how can i believe in shariah's words after all of this there will never be such as true peace not as long as we're forced to live in this accursed world peace is impossible impossible i think i shall believe in you after all seems this is the end for me... some places in the Shinobi world are inconceivable! Amegakure, and Kirigakure, are two of the worst places to live, the difference between Pain and the rest of the antagonists, is that he was forced to get blood on his hands. And once you cross the line there is no way to get back, the circumstances made him a monster.. He's more than antagonists, Pain is a victim couldn't do anything about it, he're helpless in front of that shit. Then he fell into the pit of despair, but nobody would help him, no one extended his/her hands in order to help him. Instead, all he would get are either insults, fears, hatred, or all of those at the same time, making the pit of despair deeper and impossible to get out of. He expected Justice, but then found the same thing as what I found, that Justice in human hands is Injustice in and of itself, and it's an absolute law of nature which cannot be overruled in any way. That's why he stopped being nice and stopped hoping for anything. Instead he tried to give the world their middle fingers. He stopped caring about everything, and if he will going to get destroyed anyway, why not drag the world with him? That way, he at least feel that he accomplished something, that he finally pay the entire world back for every shit the world has thrown to him. Rest in peace Nagato/Pain ☄🌟
Then your leaders are: 1- a guy who wants to lock the world in a cycle of wars so they realize the true pain of war 2- another guy (the mastermind behind the organization) who wants to trap the world in an illusion so that everyone gets his personal utopia The two of them want peace but their methods are different
Obito in fact used him however pain intended to fight it out after they revive the ten tails After all obito wanted to achieve the infinite tsukuyomi and pain wanted to use the ten tails as a weapon of mass destruction
No later on it is said that even Nagato wanted the eye of moon plan he was just lying about this and obits didn't exactly use pain he just manipulated him to believe the world is shit and all
@@Coolguy-or8ex Before konan and Obito fought! Obito said you BOTH agreed on my moon plan! Which means they agreed on it years ago! But Nagato later on was thinking different! Nagato also said like twice. Yahiko's dream became his dream! Also Konan said to Obito i've been watching you for years of how your ability works! She wouldn't be watching him for that long if she planned to kill him one day! Also Konan was even probably telling Pain over the year about her feeling towards Obito. Thinking he can't be trusted. But there's no proof of that part.
@@delix787 yeah you have a point but I still think he wanted the eye of moon plan but was going to betray obito in the end but obito still did manipulate him to believe that reality was cruel and that peace couldn't be achieved through ideal means
Is that Yugao (purpled hair woman) the lover of Hayate Gekko the anbu guarding Tsunade? If it is really Yugao I bet Pain's words to them really make her recollects her pain from losing Hayate.
@@animegraveyard776 in what way? Please do elaborate. I'm pretty sure it'll be a stupid explanation like every other one I've heard before. Choose your words carefully before you comment such nonsense.
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I’m inclined to disagree
Just the fact that you can apply everything Pain says to the real world is astounding.
ARAMRECON it’s because all of narutos conflicts come from politics and real life things. It’s sad that nagato and konan went through what they went through because of war. Everything in naruto relates to real life.
@@picassojulien899 I realised that after I had watched the Pain arc.
ARAMRECON it’s crazy right ? Kishimoto did his job!
@@picassojulien899 100%
Imagine if Pain and Sasuke teamed up against the Leaf
Pain's almighty push is sure an overwhelming power. But Tsunade literally saved everyone in Konoha from getting crushed. And that itself makes her great.
It was more her and Lady Katsuyune
A lot of people's say she's useless against Pain. But she literally saved thousands of people using her slug summon to protect them
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Tsunade is useless against pain and a lot of other ninja in the series.
@@MrAnimescrazy So are 99% percent of Shinobi. Even the other Kages wouldn't be able take Pain down. Naruto only won because he managed to convince Pain to join his side and Pain was holding back the whole time
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess I was specifically talking about Tsunade. She would get destroyed by a large percentage of shinobi in the series who have ranged attacks etc. She is only good in hand to hand and healing. Of course pain would destroy a large percentage of shinobi and yeah the kages are not that good. Talk no jutsu is the strongest jutsu of the series everyone knows that already.
"Those who donot understand true pain can never understand true peace"
donut
Period
that line is so powerful, that shouldnt be cut right
What episode is this
@@lukahmad5683 u know what the line mean
To be fair....both Pain and Tsunade were right. That's the great thing about all this. Who really is "just"?
Naruto
true tho
Pain was right none of this would have happened if the other villages weren't War mongering psychos who destroyed pain village 3 times
@@donnellebarfield3964 true. But she is the best hokage and the only hokage who didn't start a war. She understood the pain of those orphans since she too was an orphan and losing of loved ones such as her brother and Dan. She cared bout her own village and other small villages like the hidden rain, waterfall, etc etc. That is why I think she is the best hokage. She didn't start a war, administrated her village properly and already made an alliance with one of the 5 great nations. Well ig minato didn't start a war too, but he was hokage for like 2 years. And kakashi and Naruto too but they became hokage in an Era of peace so...
The victor is the one who gets to pick
"All is meaningless before overwhelming power you great nations prove that over the years"
-pain
Tsunade: we suffered our share of pain !!
Pain: our village was a war zone since day one so don't lecture me
true. But she is the best hokage and the only hokage who didn't start a war. She understood the pain of those orphans since she too was an orphan and losing of loved ones such as her brother and Dan. She cared bout her own village and other small villages like the hidden rain, waterfall, etc etc. That is why I think she is the best hokage. She didn't start a war, administrated her village properly and already made an alliance with one of the 5 great nations. Well ig minato didn't start a war too, but he was hokage for like 2 years. And kakashi and Naruto too but they became hokage in an Era of peace so...
@@dannyp4312 she was. All the sannin were orphans. She lost her parents in the first war, and mito (her grandmother and hashirama's wife) took care of her and nawaki( his name was nawaki I am pretty sure)
@@Srinidhi127 say what you will but he tried peaceful solutions after he met jiraiya and look where that got him, konoha wanted the hidden rain suffering to continue so they drove a wedge between the akatsuki and Hanzo only for Obito to play him into joining him and everything was bad as it is since every akatsuki was murdered so Nagato saw that the five kage are the real enemy since they won't leave his village alone
@@musicsyndrome1413 you think I don't know that? bRuH, what are you even tryna say.
@@Srinidhi127 Not all of the Sannin were orphans. Jiraiya's parents were alive as he admitted in the series and nowhere does it say Tsunade was an orphan, just pampered by her grandparents. Only Orochimaru was outright shown to have lost his parents. You assume a lot.
I like Tsunade. She's very confident when it comes to Naruto.
She's basically like Princess Leia.
Tsunade is very protective of Naruto. She even loves him like a mother and when someone badmouths stuff about Naruto, she’s there to defend her son
To be fair, he's her favorite nephew.
@@devinreis5811 I made that up. I feel like Tsunade is motherly to Naruto, despite them being distant relatives. I mean she’s very supportive of him and his dreams
Fun fact kishimoto actually intended for Tsunade and Pain to have a big battle but he changed his mind because he thought it would take away from Naruto’s fight with Pain
It would've been even more of a family affair.
He changed his mind because of the other writers.☹️
Someone said Tsunade destroyed 4 pain
0:32 I love how both Villains like Pain and Kabuto call her Lady Tsunade even when going against her
it givess me chills wenever i hear legendary sannin
@@PersonaofWill yeah and even after the 3rdGW they dont need to wear the jonnin uniform amd it seems so powerfull
Yeah, pain always makes sure that everyone should get the respect before death like the copy ninja and master Jiraiya.
@@sandeepchauhan42 true. But “Jiraiya Sensei” technically
And Madara calls her "Female medical ninja"
I wonder if Hashirama was still the hokage , Pain would be like "Ops wrong village, sorry".
The headass in this comment angers me
Chicken Parmesan it’s not that deep it’s just a cartoon dude
@Kakashi Hatake vro u have no right to be talking rn
Chicken Parmesan lmao wdym
Since hashi would b like 100+ pain would win.......i think
The way people despise Tsunade is ludicrous. She's just and has the guts to state facts. This is the woman who was motivated by the death of her loved ones to establish the medical system and went on to treat countless nasty war-inflicted wounds. No one seems to give her enough credit to the duality of her power. Add Tsunade to the Akatsuki and you can say farewells to all villages. It doesn't take a medical specialist to understand the horror she witnessed being in her past position, which might have been far more traumatizing than what Pain saw. Pain lost his family to Konoha shinobis and his comrades to powerful foes and he chose to do the SAME to innocent villagers. He planned to gather resources to create an ultimate weapon to eliminate all opposition. If he were such an all-knowing god, why would he do something that would equate him with his past oppressors, which would indirectly justify their wrongdoings? At this point, he was indeed a terrorist and he would have erased the village anyway. With the exception of the first Hokage, all other kages would have been powerless against his last blow. Tsunade was the only one who could have safeguarded the lives of the villagers. Had she recklessly fought Pain like some myopic suggestions, the Leaf would have been all the way dead. Hinata would have never lived to trigger that emotional eruption. Naruto would have come home to bones and ashes. A hollow victory with no meaning. Tsunade is a human
being fighting the first presentation of a god. There was only so much she could do. Even Naruto at the point was not enough to actually take Pain on.
This needs more likes
Amazingly true
TAKE YOUR TIME PASTOR !!
I think what pain went through was far more traumatizing considering those were his parents and he was so young on top of the fact that he lived in a war zone for a good chunk of his life so anything Tsunade saw pain likely saw and 1000 times more than Tsunade ever did without any escape from those sights. I think you don’t understand pain’s philosophy and pains actions. Pain mainly tormented the past rulers of his village and he did kill some civilians through his authoritarian rule but that was nothing compared to what the five nations did to that village. All that happened was they couldn’t speak out against him and had to work for him meanwhile the five nations annihilated the village killing soldiers and civilians alike while destroying any resources or infrastructure people could use to survive. Sure he wasn’t a good leader but he didn’t do what the leaf did to them, he only did what the leaf did back. As for the weapon, it wasn’t to destroy opposition it was to end war. He already had the means to destroy any village who dared oppose him as was seen in this arc (in which he could’ve chosen to have kept fighting and won with the help of Konan). The only reason that weapon would exist in his eyes would be to scare everyone into never fighting another war again similar to what nuclear bombs have done for the modern world. We don’t treat the scientists that created that weapon as we see pain despite the fact that they led to the real deaths of hundreds of thousands. Why? Because tens of millions would’ve died without them. In my view this is the aspect of pains ideology that’s right but you distorted it to the point where it’s not even remotely related.
Her character development reminds me of the same development as Princess Leia from Star Wars.
4:55 "You know i was going to leave, but congratulations princess, you just pissed me off."
Interesting how Pain's speech nearly broke Naruto but not Tsunade
Lady Tsunade Fan I mean, not to defend a guy that was clearly insane but he made several good points about how war benefited the stronger nations so it wasn't all bs; it's more like Tsunade was far more hardened than Naruto.
Lady Tsunade Fan did Tsunad's rule as Hokage extend any help to this nations? Naruto's did because he actually bothered listening to Pain.
Lady Tsunade Fan the sand is a big nation and I'm talking about directly giving humanitarian aid, as it was stated in Boruto that Naruto did.
Lady Tsunade Fan you're missing the point. Even if his grievances were legitimate, Nagato was basically a kid looking for attention, just like Naruto was when pulling his pranks, so he could understand his views better and he made doing this a priority, while Tsunade had her own in making sure her village survived Nagato's "prank".
It's simple tsunade doesn't have the mindset naruto has naruto actually listened to pains words cause understood them tsunade is no different than the third hokage ignorant and stuck in their ways the leaf got big off pains people suffering saying that her village and it's people suffered like pains did it complete and utter bullshit
4:24 "Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you." Pain was Bane before Bane was Bane
Lmao
Pain is a savage
Most badass anime character
@@metatronic6262 madara enters the chat
@@lakshuknowmeright9215 Hashirama enters the chat.
@@whitebeardthefatass1147 rinnegan madara cough cough
@Los Blancos xd have to agree on that
I wonder if Nagato realizes that Tsunade mistook him for Yahiko
he probably did
@@jaysmith3173 Probably but I like to think he uses his friend's body so much that he sometimes forgets
Yeah he isn't dumb
He did know
Why did the toad sage know the difference
Damn pain really said "from a god". That hits hard.
He had power to influence life and death so he saw himself as one
@@musicsyndrome1413 pain felt,because of the powers he had, that it was his duty to be the one to save the world from the big nations and wars... Coz god is not doing anything, he may have thought he needs a new god that will actually do sth and thus was "God" born.
Pretty interesting
@@rudybryan393 pain indeed has analogies with christian' s jesus figure
Deep down he knew he wasn't. The "God" figure was only in public. This is proved when Pain says at the end that this is the work of an actual god
@@arcsaber1127 And during his talk with Naruto where he said they were both just ordinary men fighting for their beliefs.
he was lucky that might guy was on a mission.
Lol right, Kishimoto had to write Guy out the story cuz he was too op. 😂
@@Sonic-hq9zz 😂😂😂
He would’ve given him that Hirudora
He couldn’t push 6 tailed Naruto, who was weaker than Chibaku Tensei which is about Island level just like Hiridora.
Sure it is. In fact, Hirudora is probably even stronger. Because compared to that Turtle Island, the Hirudora dwarfed that shit.
When he said this world shall know pain he was taking to us
“ I will never forget the pain that Yahiko Suffered ” *Chills*
Let's all agree that alot of what pain says is true. It can also be applied to what happens in real life.
@@PersonaofWill actually it is this is a cause and effect situation leaf village and other villages don't fight pointless wars in his village no pain, no pain equals no destruction of the leaf
@@PersonaofWill lol you really going to every comment bout this huh
@@PersonaofWill lol
If I were to look at this through Tsunade's perspective, she has indeed experienced her fair share of pain, ranging from the loss of both her little brother and the man she loved, and not only that, it's likely she also knew Minato and Kushina, and the loss of both of them hit her just as much as it did Jiraiya. She also lived through two great ninja wars, and the ever growing amount of pain and loss that came with it, so living through all of that pain allowed her to understand just how cruel the world is. However, she never once saw the way all of that pain affected the people she was fighting, how it must've made them feel to lose the ones they cared about. Hell, she was thinking the same thing Orochimaru was when Jiraiya allowed Konan, Yahiko, and Nagato to be his students, which was to kill them.
Now, unfortunately, I can also agree with Nagato's point of view. Being at the center of the hostility between the Five Great Nations, the Hidden Rain Village was a war zone with no end to the suffering that would come from the violence. And Nagato saw just how horrifying war is after watching his parents die in front of him, and then learn what it means to kill, and the power that he had deep inside of him. And finally, witnessing the death of his best friend. Though vastly different in terms of what happened to both of them, both have experienced enormous amounts of pain and suffering in their lives, but neither could come to understand each other, because all they could understand was violence. Nagato understood pain as an avenue for peace, but he didn't understand empathy for those that have experienced pain the same way he has. All he understood was what war had taught him, which is just to exact more vengeance and pain on others that he believed deserved it, not because of what they did, but because he just couldn't stop spreading hate and anger on children and adults who have only been doing what they need to to survive.
"Naruto is strong. Stronger that you know"
Naruto: *arrives, gets his ass whooped, gets saved by Kurama, beats a weaked Pain, leaves*
Facts he wasn’t even close to being ready to deal with pain, best antagonist for sure
And during the war he and killer Bee were nearly killed by Nagato and there came Itachi
So were just gonna pretend like he didnt one shot every pain and yahiko hung back like a coward until sage mode ran out?.....Alllllrighty then
@@darkpromeathean937 So you're gonna pretend like he would've won even if the main pain had his powers? Okay then
@@tohuiii 😌
“We great nations have suffered our share of pain!”
Pain: Oh don’t worry, you will
Lol
I love how Konan is questioning Nagato doing when he about to use the all mighty push
Precious things, important things. Irreplaceable things... You aren't the only one who has the.
Long ago, i also... had things i felt that way about. But they're all gone. The war... took them away. False peace and ambition... trivial ventures bred war... and my precious things were taken.
My parents, my friends... everything disappeared before my eyes. I hated the war and i loathed the world that had produced it.
But... at the same time, i thought if war could be stopped, hatred would disappear as well... that would bring peace to this world.
So, how could it be done? The answer was quite simple. I needed to become a god. And guide the world so that war would vanish.
If i did so, there would be no loose ends. No one would be full of hate, as i was. So, in my own way, i acted to realize the peace i'm visualized. Do you see? This is my justice. The true peace Jiraiya spoke of doesn't exist. The only peace here is the one built upon sacrifices.
What suits this Cursed World... is a cursed peace.
Konoha reaped what planted...
Pain was completely right, change my mind.
@@PersonaofWill that's your opinion bruh coz pain was totally correct according to me
@@PersonaofWill shut the fuck up kid. If you don't know anything then don't talk
@@PersonaofWill Pain was right lol. Yes everybody suffered in the ninja world. But Pain Believed his pain was greater, yes that could’ve been ignorance by him. But he totally was not wrong..
@@PersonaofWill Don't compare the real world with Naruto, you have to be in Nagato's position. Just because of the foolishness and ego of the other great villages his family and his village was destroyed. He wanted to create peace by eliminating everyone in the world because of the hatred everyone held. You can't deny that everyone in the Naruto universe did hate someone or a type of people. When he gains world dominance, they're won't be hatred because there won't be anyone who hate him, because the akatsuki would be ruling the world. Then the cycle of hatred and the world would be rectified. A new world and dominance would arise and that would lead to not having separate villages and having the whole shinobi world under the akatsuki's control. This makes everyone equal and not having different villages gaining and having greed for power, when the akatsuki are the leaders of the shinobi world. The Akatsuki have a group of people with high chakra and half of em are close to immortal. They would have full control of the world with the infinite tsukinomi and no one would start wars because they are living in the control of Madara and the akatsuki. ALSO, Pain was just a mere pawn of Madara, so his ideology is just Madara's. But Madara has more hate for Hashirama and the leaf village and the shinobi system. SO YEAH.... IN the naruto universe and the perspective of Madara and Pain this made sense, but not irl of course not for many reasons.
@@PersonaofWill his anger is not just with the leaf village, its all of the hidden nations. He isn't wrong, nobody's ideals are straight up wrong. It was just his perspective and how he saw it. Tsunade didn't become a terrorist because she had people and friends and comrades still around her. She had people still depending on her and she had many people who loved her still. However, Nagato was just left with Yahiko's Pain and Konan. Ofc Nagato would never win, the anime weren't ever gonna let naruto die that early in shippuden lol. Nagato's role in the anime was a villain, ofc hes gonna have a god complex, he has the rinnegan, hes the reincarnation of the 6 paths. Even in the anime, when Pain was done his "speech" to Naruto, even Naruto was "speechless". Even when pain asked him "how would you confront this hatred" he said "I don't know". Regardless of he's right, his decision and ideals are reasonable for the position he saw his village, his family, his comrades had. Remember, Tsunade had the people of the village during her sorrow, however what did Nagato have? NOTHING, Nagato had no one and nothing, his decision is reasonable but what is it right? In his perspective, yeah but in Tsunade's perspective ofc not.
“talks” she should’ve “fought”him and had her hokage moment like she was suppose too
facts
She was supposed to
Tbh Masashi Kishimoto is a bad writer. He's just got lucky to make Naruto popular.
@Musashi Miyamoto Um... Try again, hun. Kishimoto HIMSELF stated that Tsunade was originally supposed to fight Pain but he wanted Naruto shine because he'd been away for a while. Tsunade was more than capable of handling him.
@@animegraveyard776 LMAO Pain would fuck her up lmao, Pain would just Shinra Tensei her until her Byakugou Seal wears off and she can't regenerate anymore.
"I cannot say that everything the Leaf did in the past was just or correct," This is why Tsunade was the best Hokage. She's the only person to call Danzo's bull shit like this.
Nagato did have a point. Tsunade really does need to climb off her high horse. It was her village that started not one but 2/3 of the Great Ninja Wars. So they have absolutely no right to preach about peace when they had no qualms about invading a smaller nation full of innocent civilians and using their home as a warzone
If Pain didnt use that Jutsu Man. Naruto would be toast! He had to fight Naruto without Tendo Pain
The amount chakra that tsunade used saved everyone in this occasion was mind-blowing
Tsunade should’ve been allowed to fight him instead of the role being given to Naruto. Tsunade can fucking THROW HANDS.
if only show wasn't called Naruto
Tsunade is more of a support Ninja. I think her vs Pain would just be a repeat on what happened to Hinata.
tsunade was supposed to fight pain and able to defeat 4 of the pain's body but they give the spotlight to naruto
@@senyoraschannel3324 4??? 😂😂😂 yeah ok. She wouldn't even be able to beat one. She couldn't fight orochimaru. How the hell she's going to fight Pain?
@@dmaxdoby that was according to kishimoto during an interview by alot of platform and also if you remember tsunade was a very skill in Taijustu and Taijustu is one of the key to defeat the other body of pain
If Pain was to attack the 5 Kage , Akatsuki would of won the war before it started
You sir, are not wrong, I wonder the absorbing justsu would wrk on the particle assimilation justsu though
@@nash6568 you are right but a good Shinra Tensia with soul grab should to the trick, if it doesn’t I guess the planetary deviation and the gedo maze will take care of any stragglers
@@ZahidKhan-vy8yu Super
"Be careful of what you say, this is your final warning."
I love the moment when Pain shows off and releases a little chakra. The black ops are intimidated and pushed back a little. Tsunade just seemed mildly annoyed.
Yep tsunade could release that much chakra too since she's also part uzumaki
@@DrawsbyDonnie Senju*
Tsunade: don’t underestimate the 5 kage
Madara: wake up to reality
2:15 His voice tho...
Troy baker is amazing!
Such arrogance!!
@@merlinmagic6110 “So much chakra!!”
Pain lost because of plot.
Like every anime villian
@@Rushking20 Plot is what makes a story. Be it anime, movie, TV series, every villain dies by plot. Sometimes more believable and realistically, sometimes through asspulls.
On god
Dude pains voice
Troy Baker 💯👏
@@ranzudezuLRTC Love that man!
@@zawellthewanderer8224 sameee 😭👌
Pain/Nagato is such a broken individual with a god complex that he uses trauma to justify. It’s classic manipulation. “What I’ve gone through is worse than what you went through, so you longer matter”. If Yahiko could see Nagato as he is now, he’d never support it. Using Yahiko’s name and sacrifice to advocate his evil deeds and STILL believing himself to be just is true arrogance. His dogma blinded him to the suffering of the innocent and caused him to unleash dangerous criminals on the innocent. Like....dude no you failed lol
u are 100 percent correct
You're dumb AF If you actually believe that. You obviously didn't watch the show
Everything pain said is true. The Shinobi villages exist to make war and spread violence. they're literally based on real life medieval Shogun and ninjas, who were warlords that invaded villages and killed people to expand their power
Feel Pain...
Accept Pain...
Know Pain.....
Pains voice is godly
4:28
you know what, pain arc was the best arc with the best events in naruto,
one that always hit me hard is,
we were there since the beginning, when naruto was an outcast that no one gave a fuck, but in this arc we saw everyone in his school fight till death to protect his location,
man i love naruto as series so much
I just got a Tsunade Funko Pop! Figure today at Barnes and Noble.
Nice
Justice was served
Tsunade and Konan should've fought during this
What she was going to do? Pain outclassed her in every way
Tsunade should fought all pain instead of being arrogant to pain
@@davidortiz3094 Tsunade would have won against pain, but she used all her chakra to protect and heal the people of the village
@@shanesgame2563 nah, but atleast 3, I really can't believe that people don't believe that tsunade can take down pain
@@shanesgame2563 that’s cap
I always love it when tsunade speak highly of naruto even back when he still a loser
she shouldn't have antagonized him, he probably would've just left to go get Naruto
Naw they came for Naruto and to destroy the village. He would’ve done it anyway. That’s why plot had gai sensei out the village cause he would’ve fucked pain up.
@@darkgrandpriest1645 He fucked the village up but he wasn't planning on completely turning it to dust until Tsuande ran her mouth. One of Tsuande's subordinates even says "maybe we should just let him leave so we can regroup" or something like that and she just kept talking. Even Konan was surprised that he leveled the village because he didn't come there to do that. Once he got the nine tails and all the other tailed beasts, it seems like he would've ended up doing something similar, but not at this very moment.
"A God who restores order "💥💥💥
That gave me goosebumps, still does now lol
To think that people underestimate Tsunade's skills is beyond me. She has proven time and time again that she is a kage level shinobi. This was one of those instances.
Pain’s offer is interesting when you consider the Land of Lighting would have been his last target. Possibly seeking to make the Leaf another stronghold for the Akatsuki.
no matter what pain says, his actions are not justified. no matter what.
see that amount of chakra she releases... gosh
This is the comment I was looking for
1:06
That line sent shivers down my spine
“It is a honor to meet you Kakashi Hatake.”
WHEN YOU realize that pain have manners:)
Pain is so cute, but everyone hates him
Imagine meeting the guy who murdered your best friend whom you knew was in love with you right in your own house. Cause that's exactly what this is.
The way Tsunade believes in Naruto😍❤🔥
5:00 This was the Time when lady tsunade seemed so helpless in whole series.
Pain a god how restores order
pain was jus saying straight facts and all the hidden leaf shinobi r ignorant too admit that everything he says is right
Yes he is right but Tsunade is right too...
Nah
@@awokwok1029 right in what sense that the leaf has suffered a great ordeal like everyone else in the 2nd and 3rd great ninja wars? Nope wrong but alright let’s just have comparison for the sake of Tsunade’s argument tell me who do you think have the more chances to have a sense of stability and proper maintaining said loss and grief? That’s right the leaf and what does the hidden rain posses? Just hanzo alone not a full on conscript hidden rain army to protect it in pale comparisons to the other villages and thus people like nagato and his parents including yahiko Konan and other Ame orphans came to be is that they had to deal with the full frontal assault from all 3 war mongering giants clashing down into their throats not having a minute or 2 to catch a breather it is no different with both Uk and the US when they launch their own said assault in the Middle East difference being is the battlegrounds itself that oh also forgotten livelihoods destroyed even if the hidden rain managed to recover in what any economic sense they’re able to recover the damages being dealt and you don’t see the daiymo lords or respective Kages compensating nations like the hidden rain any charitable work let alone loses the smaller nations just do not have compare to the 3 giants surrounding them and hanzo is no better as well considering when he took power and control it’s not like he was doing anything major to improve the lives of the hidden rain his more of a autocracy who clings to his own and only his own and when he heard of yahiko akatsuki on behalf of our favourite scum himself Danzo was threatened by yahiko even tho originally in the anime yahiko akatsuki is far more honourable and is actually making changes compare to hanzo and thus Pain was born when he died and later on with 6 paths of pain he killed hanzo and with konan they took charge and if u read the light novels of the akatsuki especially where konan essentially rules the hidden rain but better than hanzo ever did and as we turn our attention to said great nations smaller nations like hidden rain doesn’t have that luxury of gifted let alone natural born leaders who are able let alone educated and have the means to protect said village compare to Konoha the Stone and the Sand is fking blasphemy really so to say when tsunade mentions the leaf suffered a great ordeal just like the hidden rain is pure other nonsense yes in terms of loses and lives everyone loses but that’s fking war it’s inevitable but the ones that created it and ironically making money off does that reminds you of anything? Uh huh yeah it’s the same as our modern day proxy wars only difference in the naruto universe is that they don’t give a shit about it and just prefer a pure all out warfare with one another and nations people like Nagato is dealing with it the worse in pale comparison with Tsunade while yes Tsunade have indeed lost both Dan and her brother but she still have her comrades 3rd hokage , jiraya and shizune compare to Nagato where yahiko died and konan also in her own way tried to assist nagato but at that time it was too late for nagato and even if he did not summon the Gedo statue both he and konan would’ve died so it was inevitable for Nagato to go ape shit and posses a god complex which in his Defense he kinda is since he posses the rinnegan with the outer path he did. played god and bringing everyone in Konoha back to life anyway pain serves as a natural consequence itself incarnate where even a great Konoha is no better let alone immune of said paying for consequences that was dealt by them let alone one at the top hierarchy like Danzo and as long Danzos continue to exist in the naruto universe there will always be pains running about and Tsunade’s ridiculous statements preaching that they have also suffered a great ordeal as well where in reality comparisons it’s not the same and thus as Nagato said as long as everyone has felt the same pain there could never be hatred to bear against one another and thus a sense of equality is formed how else do you think that one alcoholic is able to know what the other is going through? Same thing could be said for shinobi In the narutoverse only difference is that shinobi the great nations are simply way to arrogant and proud let alone patriotic to never admit their flaws and wrong doings alike for their own respective villages let alone proper compensations to said victims of war which is a luxury that smaller nations in the narutoverse simply do not have to where the greater nations has there’s something to be kept with a open mind in topics such as these and in the end naruto did accomplish it with understanding Nagato cuz he’s the MC and not Tsunade and thus becoming the hero of the leaf where Nagato just left to wither away slowly and the village itself and its inhabitants being the sly snakes they are showed gratification when their asses where saved by naruto where in reality it wasn’t him it was Nagato who brought them back so they naruto wouldn’t have to feel anymore guilty or depressed when coming back to the village and thus in a alternate world where Nagato doesn’t Rinne rebirth konoha naruto and his generation will know how Nagato and his peers were like when they faced the 2nd and 3rd Great Shinobi wars people close to them died jiraya and kakashi and several others as well and Nagato in the end was convinced and got talk no jutsu by naruto deciding to put said trust to him Rinne rebirth Konoha and everyone coming back to life and the end the death of pain aka Nagato while naruto the hero emerges
@@Eluvien737 lmao did you even watch the whole series? Tsunade spoke based on her experience too. She lost her parents, grandfather, boyfriend and brother and she developed her fear of blood for many years. It's a trauma for her. Also she said what what leaf village has done in the past was NOT RIGHT, she admitted that. Jiraiya taught them kindness, Obito brainwashed them. Also he became evil when Hanzo and Danzo tried to kill them. But Tsunade was right. What he did in this episode is totally WRONG. He wants revenge and he almost killed innocent children here.
@@awokwok1029she wasn’t right in the slightest there’s a difference between suffering at the hands of others and suffer due to one’s incompetence and the leaf village is the latter
Bro really said “SPEAK.” She really taking that disrespect.
If Pain Used That Big Almighty Push To Naruto Would He Have Died?
In sage mode no, no sage mode if direct hit yes
@@dejavu3914 true
Nah, katsuyu was still with him and there were large chunks of her all around the village so if he did, she would come to his rescue and turn her self into that..... Ummm what was that called? Idk... But turn herself into a slimy liquid to cover him
This show is naruto for reason
I blame and thank Danzo for creating Pain
I hated how he pretends like no one else knows pain. Tsunade has suffered more than enough yet he says know pain
Ikr! Tsunade became an orphan after the 1st great ninja war ended and mito took care of her, she lost her younger brother, then the man she loved, then her friend (and i believe she had some feelings for jiraiya in the end). But still what Nagato suffered was quite bad. But compared to tsunade, tsunade has suffered more pain
@@Srinidhi127 Not even close. Tsunade was not originally an orphan. Tsunade was pampered by her grandfather and parents before they died, but lost her brother and her lover and endured the horrors of war before going on a gambling spree. Pain was born in poverty, watched his parents die, struggled to steal to survive in a broken poor country, was raised as a child soldier along with his friends to defend himself, watched his best friend and dreams of peace die, and eventually went on a spree of killing. You tell me who suffered more?
@@EmptyMan000 lemme get this straight, the amount of people someone loses in their lives has nothing to with how much they suffered. When I say that Tsunade suffered more, I meant not actually blaming someone else for it and seeking revenge like Nagato. Pain is pain. But how someone tries to get rid of it, shows if they are still going through it or not. Tsunade never moved on which made her suffer more, Nagato partially moved on by killing the person who killed his friend, and also by destroying Konoha. If anything, Nagato had this mindset that no one else suffered more than him, which is completely wrong. How much happens to you will never determine whether you or the other person suffered more, how much longer you stick on to it shows how much you suffered.
@@Srinidhi127 🥱 come up with something better
@@shido_rimru_ facts he sounds mad dumb
i wish they put justice to this high level negotiation, at least give tsunade and pain a fight..
beautiful
I’m a true Fan of Naruto & I Can’t Stop helping To Agree With All Of Pain’s Speches I just can’t help but to agree with him. If you think about hatred, Peace & Understanding Each Other Hear In The Real World.
Okay his speeches are good but his ways are stupid. Like, bring peace to a planet by killing everyone on it? Am I the only one who finds that wierd
See just seeing all the opinions in the comments reslly solidifies it for me....this is the best src of naruto. Yes evrrything Pain says can be applied to the real world. Yes Tsunade and Nagato both have valid points. Its one of, like, the FOUR times watching anime where i really had to stop and be like...."FUCK". Just so pwerful and meaningful. I truly believe this is the best scene in all of anime. Aside from Spike Spiegel's goodbye. But I'll admit thats just bias....
“Lulled by peace you have become shallow”
Wow u cut the best line that pain says.
i like this vidoe
It was just like this when my parents were cute right before my eyes my parents died all because of the shinobi war that your hidden start why is it always like this once you've been hurt you learn what it is to hate but if you hurt another you become hater and you shoulder a sense of guilt however it's because one Understands Pain such as that that one becomes generous toward others what you all call peace is only one through violence against us how can i believe in shariah's words after all of this there will never be such as true peace not as long as we're forced to live in this accursed world peace is impossible impossible i think i shall believe in you after all seems this is the end for me...
some places in the Shinobi world are inconceivable! Amegakure, and Kirigakure, are two of the worst places to live, the difference between Pain and the rest of the antagonists, is that he was forced to get blood on his hands. And once you cross the line there is no way to get back, the circumstances made him a monster..
He's more than antagonists, Pain is a victim couldn't do anything about it, he're helpless in front of that shit. Then he fell into the pit of despair, but nobody would help him, no one extended his/her hands in order to help him. Instead, all he would get are either insults, fears, hatred, or all of those at the same time, making the pit of despair deeper and impossible to get out of. He expected Justice, but then found the same thing as what I found, that Justice in human hands is Injustice in and of itself, and it's an absolute law of nature which cannot be overruled in any way. That's why he stopped being nice and stopped hoping for anything. Instead he tried to give the world their middle fingers. He stopped caring about everything, and if he will going to get destroyed anyway, why not drag the world with him? That way, he at least feel that he accomplished something, that he finally pay the entire world back for every shit the world has thrown to him.
Rest in peace Nagato/Pain ☄🌟
Even pain call her LADY Tsunade
To say that Tsunade handled this badly is an understatement lmao
Damn...Tsunade doesn't know how to negotiate at all.
Well better than the council and elders
Lol
@@PersonaofWill as far as I see your name,you can't have a rational brain to debate something
Yep.You perfectly described yourself
@@PersonaofWill yep..but as I said you re not worthy for a debate.Now go beat your meat on Tsunade photos🤣🤣
I side with the Akutsuki
Then your leaders are:
1- a guy who wants to lock the world in a cycle of wars so they realize the true pain of war
2- another guy (the mastermind behind the organization) who wants to trap the world in an illusion so that everyone gets his personal utopia
The two of them want peace but their methods are different
5:59 …. 😳 #stillgetgoosebumps
Fans! Obito was using Pain!
Me: pretty sure Pain gave 0 fucks about Moon eye rin girl jutsu!
Obito in fact used him however pain intended to fight it out after they revive the ten tails
After all obito wanted to achieve the infinite tsukuyomi and pain wanted to use the ten tails as a weapon of mass destruction
@@musicsyndrome1413 Which means they would have foughten over the ten tails!!
No later on it is said that even Nagato wanted the eye of moon plan he was just lying about this and obits didn't exactly use pain he just manipulated him to believe the world is shit and all
@@Coolguy-or8ex Before konan and Obito fought! Obito said you BOTH agreed on my moon plan! Which means they agreed on it years ago! But Nagato later on was thinking different! Nagato also said like twice. Yahiko's dream became his dream! Also Konan said to Obito i've been watching you for years of how your ability works! She wouldn't be watching him for that long if she planned to kill him one day! Also Konan was even probably telling Pain over the year about her feeling towards Obito. Thinking he can't be trusted. But there's no proof of that part.
@@delix787 yeah you have a point but I still think he wanted the eye of moon plan but was going to betray obito in the end but obito still did manipulate him to believe that reality was cruel and that peace couldn't be achieved through ideal means
Is that Yugao (purpled hair woman) the lover of Hayate Gekko the anbu guarding Tsunade? If it is really Yugao I bet Pain's words to them really make her recollects her pain from losing Hayate.
Yeah
In the anime yes in the manga there s another purple hair anbu
Tsunade really dropped the ball here.
She didn't.
Anime Graveyard she really did
@@wilb2000 Well, I don't believe so.
@@animegraveyard776 in what way? Please do elaborate. I'm pretty sure it'll be a stupid explanation like every other one I've heard before. Choose your words carefully before you comment such nonsense.
@@kevennava1476 If you start off asking a question that way, expect disrespect in turn.
Episode?
Since I’m pretty sure everyone is watching boruto now everything pain was saying was right.
2:15
She probably could have bodied him if she didn't have to heal everyone in the village seeing as she could take Madera
Aaannnd now.: this world shall know pain
What’s this episode
1:11 😅😅😅 pain not in right mind
Tsunade senju go
Tsunade straight up cut off a god. I-
'How did You know where he was??'
'I didn't but you just confirmed it lul kthxbye'
Alt timeline
His voice tho…
4:55
That was terrifying
2:56 she actually did.
tsunade really watched them murk the entire village...oh hiruzen