You know what else is bothering, the fact that you don’t get to have your outfit be in different colors! Like if you join Shu, you should wear green, or if you’re on the side of Wei, then you wear blue, and if Wu, red!
Yeah and the other characters shouldn’t be wearing there factions colours until you join them. Let’s not telegraph to the new players who there going to belong too.
Having a silent protagonist that you can name and not being able to customize them is one of the decisions of all time. Just makes the decision to have John Dynasty as the main character even weirder.
They're trying the Persona approach while not understanding that Persona protags have unique personalities on their own despite being silent instead of being Gordon Freeman-ahh "player vessel".
Because Wo Long already did that and they probably don't want the comparison/scuffle that may come with it (as both Omega Force and Team Ninja are divisions of Tecmo-Koei)?
@theheroofchaos4322 kinda funny how Cao Cao and Sun Jian are the same age but Sun Jian looks like Cao Cao’s father 😂 They are trying to portray the characters when they were young which is accurate like how Samurai Warrior 5 did. But then out of nowhere sun Jian doesn’t look young like Cao Cao and Liu Bei
As someone who speaks some Chinese, you're understanding the pronunciation just fine. I get the impression a lot of the voice acting was done on the cheap and remotely, and without any guidance or direction. I don't mind Origins as an experiment/spinoff, like Kessen... but I _really_ hope this isn't meant to replace a mainline DW game...
The producer said in some interviews, even the one on this channel that it's not a replacement but more of a reset to prove to the higher ups that it can still make money. Overall it's a major step in the right direction for a strong foundation, that can be built upon. In future mainline games.
Can’t say it’s dull but I am impatient trying to build the character to its strong form and this game needs more enemies and better presentations of the enemies when you fight them, it’s very old looking and boring af library idk man Japanese type vibe it ain’t it. Neeeds a newer striking palette to where it’s noticeable the enemies fly out of your way and when their is more enemies they should think of a way to make it immersive the the attacks again. I think this game needs more attacks presentations off the bat rather than jsut giving us 4 special move attacks and give us like 5 or 4 mousou moves if not, we need a bigger view of the battlefield and a shit ton of more enemies atleast 50,000 enemies and let us have a sonically sound moveset and a better cinematic experience I think it’s kind atrocious looking in right in your face ways with coming up to the enemy groups sometimes.
The lack of playable characters in itself is not necessarily a deal breaker for me, but It's a shame that we don't have a customizable character and a lot more outfits and weapons to make up for it, I don't really feel like Ziluan is "my" character as a result. That said, I am still enjoying everything else about the game immensely, big battles have never felt better for me.
I totally agree with you on this one. It's been a huge staple for the dynasty warriors series all the different characters, and as a person who's played every single game and loved them all, I absolutely hate not being able to play the characters. I didn't think it was going to bother me that much at first, but it really really does. Especially when they get new designs, it's like, why would you I don't want to play these characters? Plus just the potential of new characters being playable, it's just bothers me. And the low number of weapons bothers me too
I Also feel like that past few games, Everytime they bring something new to the series, they take something away which doesn't really make sense to me. Kinda like how they started out with characters sharing weapons/movesets. I don't understand why they have to take away good things just to try to add something else that's new
Cao Cao is a bad guy. He kidnapped the current Emporor, held him hostage, and used the Emporor to pass on laws and stuff. Liu Bei is a bad guy. He had his followers jump into their death, dragged on wars with his indecisiveness and his hypocrite "virtue." He also threw his infant son on the ground and made him stupid. The Sun family is also bad people, Sun Jian stole the Jade seal, Sun Ce was arrogant, his strategist Zhou Yu was also arrogant. Sun Quan was okay, but he was insignificant, their sister Sun Shangxiang was married off to Liu Bei because Zhou Yu was stupid, also she tried to steal Liu Bei son and deflected back to Wu when Liu Bei grew too powerful. What I'm trying to say is, let's be real, people are heroes in their own stories, and villains in others, so calling Wei bad and hating on them doesn't seem fair. Sorry about the rant. I heard hating on my boy Cao Cao and got triggered.
i think it's hard to find who are the actual good characters and bad ones in the game. Probably only Zhen Ji and Yue ying made sense to me that were good side characters.
Let's not forget that cao cao had a tendency for stealing other peoples widows and that he's number 1 tactic in war was terror, so he would pass throught villages killing anyone and everyone in his wake, also he ordered that each Yuan shao soldier captured got their ears and noses cut off, and after winning the guandu battle he executed 70-80k surrendered soldiers, he also had desired to be becoming emperor eventually becoming prince which only "Liu"s were allowed to become. If you compare him with others Cao Cao "bad" behaviour is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worst than Sun and Liu bei bad behaviour combine, Cao was hated and feared by almost everybody. I'm not saying that Koei is doing great with their portrayal about those 3 but the missbehaviour that people try to push to justify that Cao Cao was not as bad compare to Liu Bei and Sun quan is really not plausible.
@@Raptoriago more than trying to make Cao Cao the "Good Guy" i would prefer if they stopped the Whole Shu being the Good guy narrative that most of Dynasty Warriors games try to push and instead do a more Neutral stand point... Origins was the perfect game for it to show because the MC is an outsider without a faction Bias and Failed to actually do it
@@blackfangex6813 I disagree in two points: The first: That Koei portrays Shu is the Good Guy, for what i see the "dynasty" that you choose to play is the most righteous and saint and the others are the spawn of devil on earth, it was my impression through DW7-8 campaing. I would prefer to show more about unique views with their flaws and more side development. the second: That Origins by putting much view in Liu Bei being the moral one and virtues one; it follows in line with the huge perception of people of that time that cao cao was the most vile person alive and the only one who could rival him was Liu bei, so making Baoling more towards liu bei than cao illustrate great this kind of thought, i don't find perfect or ideal but at least is not as forced as people claims to be.
I would give more spotlight to lesser warlords to help solidify more the character development of Cao and Liu, maybe even Sun, but Yuan Shu is there so is something, Liu Biao and Tao qian would be great.
It’s not just the female characters pay attention to the bond sessions with the males they say some sus things I was like uh noooooooo wtf is going on lol
Yea Guan Yu be saying some wild stuff, I remember he said some shit like let us celebrate to me remembering your voice, soul, smell , and face merged with my memories like relax my guy😂😂👌🏿
For me, my biggest grips are the silent protagonist thing(especially since we can’t customize him), only having 10 weapons, and the removing of characters who appeared during this time(i’m OK with them not being playable, but they should at least be here). Also, there seems to be some indication based off of some voice lines that certain characters drop that there was a gender swap option, and I wonder why it was removed.
Fun experiment but let’s move on from Dynasty Hero and get back to Dynasty Warriors please. Replacing an entire vibrant roster of playable characters with a bland nameless thirst trap (feels like self insert with how much everyone loves him for no reason) was always going to be disappointing for me. Still having fun but man I miss playing as my people.
I mean I like the fact that there are much fewer characters. In the old dynasty warriors most of the cast was just fillers for different weapons for the most part with maybe one small moment for a large part of the cast. Now with only a handful they have flushed out and made most of the cast stand out as characters now with personality's outside of a single character trait. It's a improvement from a story telling pov from the old games and it keeps the main story and makes the characters feel more impact full
@@insidechaos4913 Much fewer? They went from 90 to zero. I'm not considering Ziluan a character because they have no character. If they want to trim the playable cast down, that's okay but it'd be nice to be able to play as other characters ATLEAST in a free mode or something. I think if they wanted to do a nameless hero, it would have been better to let you create a character, pick a kingdom to join as a recruit, and work your way up the ranks to become a hero.
It's a weird situation, they can easily make us play as the other characters but you have to remember the entire game only has 10 movesets, would the clones not be annoying, as warriors fans always complain about?
@nobodynamedmatlock well with the if I remember correctly 21 characters in the game they all have gotten their own storyline and are active members of their factions plot so all of them now have a roll. For a free mode they do have one where after you beat the story you can go back and play any time in said route again so it's there and what would playing as other characters do when you all share the same moveset for the weapons you have now. They cut down the weapons and now every one of them feel different to use and play with much better with the quality of the gear over quantity. For your last point for the nations because they are adding someone to the romance it doesn't make much sense to let you pick a faction from day one due to the sun family not haveing any real interaction with the yellow turban unlike Wei and shu do. That would make you have to have a different start point if you pick them and that makes a clear storyline much harder to do plus for new entrys into the game they wouldn't know who to pick and this way they can see all 3 sides and can have a clear idea who to pick when that point comes.
@@insidechaos4913there are so many characters in the romance of the three kingdoms story. Even in the novels, majority of them (even cool ones with great moments) don’t get a lot of “screen time”, and are mainly relegated to supporting roles. The story is about the lords, strategists, and a few key heroes. Not every character needs a deep exploration of their motives and backstories. Even in the 2010 chinese adaptation, that spanned 95 episodes (45 min each), Xiahou Dun had a SINGLE SCENE. It was cool to see him fight Guan Yu, but beyond that, i don’t care what his favorite color is.
Having a silent protagonist is getting on my nerve tbh. What was the point of interacting with other characters if Mr. MC himself can't talk for shiit. I'm starting to think that was an excuse to cover up their lack of good VA
Man such an amazing video I am so glad to know that I am not alone. Definitely I really hate it when someone random just appears from nowhere and keep saying Cao Cao is evil and Liu Bei is Good. I mean what the hell? All these talented officers following Cao Cao are idiot? of course not. I thought we finally moved over these old day DW Habits but unfortunately not. And the other thing why almost every female character have to flirt with us? This doesn’t help lore at all instead that is kinda character assassination. Also main character and the ones from his past look like kinda K-pop singers, I wish they could keep their designs a bit more “traditional”
Diachan was never Lu Bu's girl dude...she was forced into that and gave herself too him in order to kill someone....there was never any lore accurate proof that she had feelings for Lu Bu. Not even in any form of the romance of the three kingdoms....learn some history outside the games.
Lmao my G, the history outside the game isn't super relevant since the whole game os fictional, it's derived from by not true to it or else they'd have sun jian kill hua xiong, Pam xhang capture guan yu and many others similar, so because they've already created that narrative IN the game, it's dumb to change it. Cmon man
@TheNightowlGaming Some of the games do have that stuff happen actually. But it's still really odd too say Diachan is Lu Bu's girl...she's clearly not even in the games
I found it so funny that our protagonist can slaughter thousands and best the greatest warriors in the land and at the same time flirt with every character, like 90% of the npcs are so down bad for this twink 10/10
The fire attack, it really did go down like the game shows in a way. In the books, it was stated how tying the ships together would be foolish due to the odds of a fire attack destroying everything. But Cao Cao was persuaded by Pang Tong to ignore that and bind the ships anyway. Just sayin.
It wasn't that simple. The wind blew in Wu's direction at that point of time, and any fire would only burn the front ships and fizzle out. Zhuge Liang studied the weather more closely and judged that it would change during that exact battle.
@@TheNightowlGaming well i should change that MOST of asia has a bias to them. how they prop up zhang fei is always amusing when he is a known abuser and the type of person that begins with a R and ends with a ist.
True, I remember reading some chinese werks that call him, what is translated to eng as, "big eared liu". Dey got some pretty neat insults to each of the factions.
I guess it is the difference between Western and Eastern culture. Westerners don't like being told what to do. The number 7 with the advice is pretty normal to me.... They are the best strategists in history during that time, and that is their job.... Predict things before it happens and plan accordingly. And they are really good at their job.... So it is a good idea to listen to them 😊
Absolutely! If you look at history, those who ignore advice often stumble and quickly disappear from the record. Especially When the advisor is as famous and skillful as Guo Jia.
I agree, it's a sign of immaturity when someone can't take advice from others, especially if they're legendary advisors. It's like ignoring singing tips from Celine Dion - you're missing out on valuable guidance!
Questioning Guo Jia's advice? Are you serious? He was an exceptional strategist. History shows his insights were incredibly accurate, almost prophetic. He never made a mistake. His genius was so profound that he often didn't need to elaborate on his plans; their brilliance was self-evident.
For #6 (Sun Jian's death) His dialogue is vague on purpose. Cutscenes plays whenever either you or Huan Gai reaches him. That's also why you see it in 1st person as he's talking to you, I think it's to make it less obvious that you successfully saved him uppon reaching him by seeing his demise play the same way you've already experienced until very last second. So yeah, He's talking to both you and Huan Gai at once.
True, I didn't say it in the video but if it is your guy when he dies then why couldn't our guy save him? The continuity is off, they should've just splat him without the last line lol
@@BlackRose88-04Hell, DW8 do this in hypothetical route just fine (Escape their destined demise, shows up in the next or another battle once and retired coz wound/disguising/hiding/whatever reason they could do to justify it) Why is it so hard to just polish the already perfect recipe?
Cao Cao is looked at as the villain because bro took the emperor hostage for yearsss and then ended up disposing him later in the years. So Chinese history will always remember that 😊
The worst Thing about Origins is definitly how they inserted the MC into the established Story and the relationship between the old characters and the new MC. I'm absolutely Not against having a consistent Main character to Play, but how the Story was written around him Just feels Like self-insert fanffiction. Every character instantly adores ziluan and bends over Backwards to get in His good graces. At some points it borders in character assassination. Liu Bei trusts you more than His sworn Brothers. Diaochan loves you, instead of LuBu. In fact almost every female character seems to be instantly in Love with ziluan. Normally Stern Characters Like for example Zhang Fei are reduced to babbeling bafoons because they are so taken aback by your imposibg presence. Fcking Dong Zhuo... The TYRANT Dong Zhuo adores you for the Warrior you are... Ziluan is not just the MC, He is the Chosen one Messiah of ancient China and that lessens every other character and their impressive deeds... It's sad really.
@ashleybradley3396 i feel like a lot of people dont See it that way because it is very "cliche anime writing". And since a Lot of people enjoy that.... Well..
Lmfao Dong Zhou has a bond with you when he is basically emperor and is executing desenters where you refuse to join him and he basically says "damn OK well... you're so cool. feel free to kill me later" AND LETS YOU FUCKING LEAVE!!! bro WHAT?!
ye... I spit on western self-insert mary sues. And I spit on dis mofo mc in origin. Would be nice if we can git a remaster dw4... with dw8 graphic and maybe dw8 plot extension instead of dis.
Each weapon type is greatly expanded upon and has many skills to learn/use. They aren’t just simple normal/strong attack combo chains anymore. I personally liked the weapon/combat system in this game more than I did in any other Dynasty warriors game. They even have challenges for you to do to unlock legendary weapons (akin to 4th weapons in DW3 -DW5). There’s less weapon types but plenty of variety in combat that it beats having 50 weapon choices, IMO (a fan playing DW since DW3 first came out).
I have to say this but that fire attack foreshadowing WAS in the original story as well. It's a an important plot point in the book because at that time Cao Cao is so high on his own power he didn't listen to his advisor clearly seeing the possibility of a fire attack.
The thing I hate the most is when the camera shifts back to back in combat. I hate pausing mid combo to be told, someone over there is doing something. I’m like halfway through someone’s health bar, just shoot an alert and let me use my eagle vision to find it. Game is so good though, I’m having a blast! I was able to beat Lu Bu first try (ok I died like 20 times rofl)
I agree with most, there were a few I felt are personal preference. Like the other characters hitting on Ziluan and the weapon thing. For me the biggest crime is to have this silent protatgonist and not at least let us pick a female depiction of Ziluan if not character creation. They did exactly what I feared.
Wth Sun Jian Hypotheticals and Sun Ce being alive, it is really kinda boring, The only difference is that Sun Jian and Sun Ce rescues the Emperor at the very end. Nothing Changes with the battles or the events later on. Sun Jian took roughly 5 years to apparently recover his injuries, and he doesn't come back AFTER Yuan Shao and/or Yuan Shu dies, which was the entire point why he decided to stay away. He is literally famed as a living legend for the family, and decides to not get involved which potentially could've lead Sun Ce's death (if we don't rescue him), as well as leaving a 18 year old (Sun Quan) to manage his "Kingdom". I would say that the Hypotheticals are kinda a miss for this one. No new Battles that I felt was unlocked nor made a major impact. With the bonding sections with the Female Character, Diao Chan is potentially the only one that makes sense. Lady Zhen (or Zhenji) marries Cao PI (who is not in this game though), around 204, after the Yuan Family collapses. So interaction prior to this made sense, maybe a little bit after the marriage as well, where she expresses that she is just in a cage, just married to a different house. Historically, She also witness many of her maids being brutatelly pluesured by males and was saved by Cao Pi intervention only because of her appearance. Yueying already married Zhuge Liang, however it is possible Yueying did liked the "Hero" because Females in Historic China were not allowed to be proactive or Smart, usually are just Maids or house-wives. Historically, her parents said she was ugly, and mostly likely many males didn't like her. The "Hero" presumably didn't mind it, similarly to how Zhuge Liang, who didn't cared about her appearance, but like who she is. She presumably didn't had much interaction with male friends, thus didn't really know her boundaries. With Diao Chan, she is kinda a Folklore, many believing she isn't real, where there are many interpretation of who she is. She may be in love with Lu Bu, or maybe it was just a ruse inorder to just kill of Dong Zhuo, and really just likes the "Hero". We are also given a theme that only Legends with massive FolkLores , Such as Guan Yu (where he has the most amount of interaction with the hero, and is the first person to meet him) , Zhuge Liang (Sleeping Dragon) and Pang Tong (the Immortal Phenoix) knows the existences of the Hero. So Diao Chan, whom is also a legend/ based on FolkLore, could potentially end up with the "Hero".
Worst Things? - No Change from the Outfit Color After Faction decision - some Gay approach from Officers, I mean some are ok but it felt like everybody want‘s the Mc - weopons, i‘m Fine with 9 or 10 weopns, I don’t net over 20 Weapons to choose from but letting Sun Ce of Jia Xu have the „wrong“, Weapons is a Crime. Just give everybody a Sword and i still be ok with that. - Cao Cao no mustache, i mean Guan Yu beard grow in the storyline why Not Cao Cao After Chapter 4 or 3 - some Important cutscenes are not the (Dun Eye) or what happends to the emperor after Dong Zhuo dead is Not well explained in the Game
Meh personally, I rather stick to one weapon than having to GRIND the rest to level up.... Just gimme a sword am fine with smash ab like jak and daxter. Honestly would argue that it is better to "progress fully" with just one weapon than multiple weapon and "half progress". The argument of quality over quantity. And I actually mistook cao cao for lu bu..... Brah ned dat stache.
I love this game, I really do so far but to me being the “protagonist” is a bit weird. In my opinion, there’s no real main protagonist in the dynasty warriors franchise. It just seems so wrong. Felt weird there’s also a decent amount of missing characters, also characters who have seem to have less importance than before.
I just finished the regular Wu path last night, it was the first route that I chose. My Lord, you are so right about the voice acting, it's terrible. How can a 25 year old franchise allow so many mistakes with voice actors like no one even listened to the dialogue before putting it in the game.
Definitely would've liked to hear more of what you thought would've been better, on top of your critique points. Some points I get it totally, being a seasoned DW player myself, but other things you said I WANT to understand and just can't. Edit: also gotta add that DW is "a series of Japanese hack and slash action video games" about "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", so there is room for inconsistencies across the board since day 1. I remember picking DW8 back up and laughing like crazy cause everyone is speaking japanese!
lol for sure, theres just a blend of greatness they couldve sprinkled in to make this the best dw game ever and they missed out, a CAW/destiny mode type game wouldve been a huge bump in how great the game couldve been
The cloned weapons as it were make sense in the context of this game. There's only 10 types in the whole game, characters who use something that is close to what you have in Origins, is simply remodeled (like Yu Jin and Xu Huang having their original weapons, but using the Guandao movesets) As for the female characters having a thing for the MC...I mean at least the male ones do too
On a different note, I had your No.2 item in my brain for a while last night and kind of figured it out this morning. One of Cao Cao's nicknames is, "Hero of Chaos." Your role and Bailuan's role is to be, "Guardians of Peace." Peace vs Chaos is what Bailuan is playing into. Bailuan sees Liu Bei as the most peaceful and wants to support him. He sees Wu and Wei as obstructions to his goal of Liu Bei having success. He is only okay with Wu when Sun Quan allies Wu with Shu. So, if you don't follow Liu Bei or ally with Liu Bei, Bailuan sees you as an advisory. If you follow Cao Cao as Ziluan, you are committing a cardinal sin because you as the Guardian of Peace are supporting the Hero of Chaos. To Bailuan, that goes against everything that you should stand for. The trade off in that is the Wei heroes seem to have well built out backstories.
makes sense, but Hero of Chaos could also mean the same as Guardian of Peace, Hero of Chaos --> rescuer of chaos, a hero among the chaos, things to that effect
There is actually a "w" component in "Sun" (technical term is "rounded") "swan" is indeed incorrect though, especially the two syllable way of how it's done in DWO It's a "close back rounded vowel" diphthonged into neutral schwa (mid central vowel), but it's also still a single syllable But, there is basically no way to convey that to a general English speaking audience via the Latin alphabet If anything it tells me the direction is actually trying to get them to speak mandarin, just it's too hard for the VAs. Many of the pronunciations from the older games you are familiar is also super wrong anyways (it's not the "soon" family, as you have pronounced either) so the whole thing is just a lost cause, I wouldn't worry about it
Well the pronunciation is definitely shot, but I'd just stick to what we've had before instead of really trying like they are and messing up. Like in the booth, they should've heard them trying to do it and be like, nah let's just stick to what worked before
My 2 complaints... 1. The choice of dialogue sometimes: eck.. 2. The pacing of battles.. I love the pressure you feel to meet objectives.. but it doesn't need to feel the same so many battles.. like, previous dw games battles were more drawn out and felt more epic.. not like I gotta rush across the map to kill 1 officer, but oh crap now I have to rush back to my base to kill that officer before a guy on my side gets offed.. to hustl back to the other side of the map to make sure my other 'can't die' teammate dies
The one thing I will defend about Sun Jian is him faking his death. I think if this game got DLC or a Sequel, the explanation would be that Sun Jian was in hiding but still watching over his family from a distance. That way if the Sun family were ever in huge trouble, he could act as backup/reinforcements in a battle. THAT SAID, DW 7 or 8 (I can't remember which) did a better job of an alternate scenario where Sun Jian survives. Basically him telling Sun Ce that now he is the leader of the Wu/Family since Sun Jian is realizing he's getting too old for combat and is basically a walking liability for the warriors. I do wish the game included an alternate Battle of Chibi where you could have Sun Jian and possibly even Sun Ce if you saved him too launching a surprise attack on the Wei from behind their lines. Or heck just even showing up as generals in the battle, causing the Wei to become demoralized as they are "Seeing the dead come back to life." Like the idea being they think the Heavens literally resurrected Sun Jian and Sun Ce just to punish Cao Cao.
100% they should've added more cs of him in the shadows working from a distance that'd be cool, and yeah DW8 was the hypothetical one that was good for Wu
I mean that wouldn't make sense being as sun jain was in his mid 30s when he died so in the prime of his life. If I recall correctly he was only 2 or 3 years older the Cao Cao so if he was too old you'll also be saying Cao Cao and Lei Bai are too old as well. The injuries point makes much more sense for the folks who have read the romance( a large part of the fans of DW)
Yeah I agree with the silent protag. It's so weird to me. At least have the character speak the lines we choose, the silence is so weird. Clone weapons yeah super weird. I get why in this game with making the weapons overall better, but still keeping more unique ones would have been nicer. I hope orgins 2 allows more unique weapons for the officers, even if they are bad like the fan, the mace, the throwing knives, just make them to give variety expecially for the main "cast"
@The Nightowl, You forgot the spoiler warning also most of your problems are through playing and completing the game too fast, I’m taking my time. Another thing you didn’t notice is how the AI changes plans if something hoes wrong, (Example: Wei strategist sets up one plan, Player stops it so Wei decides to use a strategy they had planned on using in a previous campaign.) Your little pet peeve about an officer dying and there was no huge difference, He is a minor hero. Also your problem with Sun Jian, I never went to save him and he didn’t die since one of his officers got to him in time, I was too busy at the main camp to save him. Don’t rush games.
Okay i just beat my first playthough and I think i know a decent way they could have done bailuan. What could have happened was zuahe doesnt die, and thier is a 3rd natural born guardian from the village along with us the player. (4 total) the attack happens we the player lose our memories and all 4 guardians end up going seperate ways. Bailuan sees lui bei as the hero Zuahe could see the sun Family as the heros 3rd guardian sees Cao Cao as the hero This gives every faction a hidden guardian helped them and hindering the others. We the outsider who was taken into the village and becoming a guardian, keep the main position of choosing who we want as leader, and who we see as the hero. But now see between 3 others perspectives to why each is a hero or false idol. At least to me this would be better then the single faction favoritism lui bei gets.
I’ll be honest, I did like this Cao Cao voice. But I’m with you bout the clone weapons, and bout Bailuan. I personally like to play most as Cao Cao Forces because it’s a bit difficult to get the true ending. That’s it
ngl I thought the whole bailuan thing was going to be like the start of a pokemon game; you pick the blue, green, or red one and he picks one of the others and gets increasingly annoying about it no matter what you do lol
Man I feel bad for feeling disappointed that this game is as different as it is. I get why they needed to do it and it looks like it’s been super successful so far but I’ll have to wait for SW, WO or a new spinoff
Great video man! The pronunciations also got to me too. I feel like they were trying to get them to pronounce the names based on the proper tonal inflection, which is difficult to describe to someone who hasn't tried to learn the language. As an example, the first u for Lu Bu is almost said with the throat position of an E and the mouth position of U. I believe the issues with the Swan family is that the tone on the U is supposed to move upward and it can almost sounds like they're saying Suh-an. I appreciate the attempts, but they constantly pulled me out of the game when it happened.
10. I can forgive the forced tutorial since this *is* a major revamp, but no manual saves during combat REALLY sucks, especially on Hero difficulty. Some of the story missions are pretty massive with a lot happening in them, and having to redo whole minutes of progress due to an unlucky encounter or a plot-critical ally getting wiped hurts. 9. Yeah, this one I agree with. I can understand being defenseless in deep water that requires you to swim, but all of a sudden putting away your weapon and slowing to a crawl in waist-deep creeks that don't even have active currents? While enemies are actively shooting at you? Ridiculous. Even worse, it yanks you off your horse just to force you into the 'waterwalk' animation. Why? If Ziluan can stand upright in it, a steed should be able to run through it. 8. Ah, the old 'this is gonna happen & there's nothing you can do about it' scripted events. Poorly scripted at that, I see. I've never had too much issue with it (seeing them as part of certain stages' gimmicks if anything), but making them occur in such contrived manners is, well...stupid. As shown in your example. What army general with even an inkling of battle experience goes charging into the enemy camp solo?? 7. I can see where you're coming from. Once in a while is fine, these are some the smartest minds in the country & it's literally part of their job to think of potential dangers along the journey. But pointing out almost every way something could go wrong before it happens borders on precognition, and not acting on such valid concerns is even more ludicrous. It's like the devs are wagging their eyebrows at the series vets who already know what happens. 6. Skipped this entry cause I haven't done a full Wu playthrough yet, though I have seen Sun Jian's death scene. It already seemed extra sus to me, but seeing it on a list like this only makes me wonder how poorly the hypothetical side of it gets handled. 5. UGH. Silent, non-customizable protagonist. This was the biggest ball drop of the entire game. We literally just had Wo Long, how did the devs not realize that people want to play as *their* MC, not some generic Xu Shu/Akira Kurusu hybrid who never talks? At least give us a choice of gender, Zhuhe was right there and could've easily been swapped out with Ziluan. 4. Meh. I was never too bothered by weapon clones, just having the different playable characters was usually enough for me. That said, some of the choices here were insanely egregious (Dong Zhuo rocking twin axes like frigging Zhang Liao?) 3. Ah yes, the classic 'everyone loves ya' Gary Stu MC. Funny how SW4 did it so much better - friends were friends, most everyone saw you differently, and love interests varied depending on gender and the marital status of the character in question (another reason why we should've at least had a female option). Here, *every single person* just instantly falls head over heels with Ziluan because...he looks & fights good? And not even just the women (all of whom minus Shangxiang should have significant others), the men get super friendly around him too, with some wild dialogue to boot. 2. Blame the novel for this one. 'Cao Cao bad, Liu Bei good' was kinda just how it went in the book this series is based off of. Ironically, I'd figured Bailuan would have the least beef with Sun Quan rather than Liu Bei since the former wasn't involved with the Later Han like his old man was (unlike mister big ears who's literally a distant Han descendant). 1. Was definitely thrown for a loop by how the same name would be said in all kinds of different pronunciations. I just figured they were trying to be more accurate (like how they did with Cao/Tsao, Sima/Sumah, Quan/Chuan, etc), but you're right, it's almost like different voice actors were given different directions. Definitely weird.
I actually think that there is a legit reason for #3. Outside looking in, the bond moments look and sound weird (Especiallh those like Guan Yu and Yueying). But if Im not mistaken it has something to do with seeing the heavens in his eyes according to the early phases of the 1st chapter. Its spoken about before bonds so its easy to overlook, and im pretty sure a couple people in bonds do reference. But its like looking at a reflection of the best parts of one self if my understanding is correct. Anyways, bonds could have been handled better sure, but i dont think we can say its never explained as to why everyone is drawn to him like a moth to a flame.
@@thereaversden6847 Some of the cast does reference his eyes, true. In that case, making him a *fully* silent protagonist (like in Nioh 2) would've worked better imo. A character who literally doesn't speak, text or otherwise, would've made the rest of the cast have to infer his thoughts and feelings purely through body language and expressions. It'd make him more enigmatic and give them more reason to look to his 'reflective' eyes while conversing. But as it stands, darn near everyone acts like he's unconsciously casting a freaking charm spell every time they see him, which is just plain ridiculous to watch at times.
Gonna be honest, there should be a slot just for ALL the dialogue. I absolutely hated the cutscenes. They felt padded, stiff, and slow, with stilted line deliveries and literally nothing interesting happening. Most of them are just people staring at each other, talking for protracted lengths of time about things the player really has no reason to care about. The gameplay is a big step up from previous games, in my opinion, but the story was such a nosedive in quality that I legitimately just stopped watching the cutscens and would skip each one. Compare the scenes in this game to the scenes between missions in Dynasty Warriors 8 and there's just no comparison.
well Origins is better than 9, some of the droll on for sure, but I enjoyed most of em, besides tghe silent protag and no effect from responses. But the camera cuts made it feel better and the movements of the character were much more natural.
12:15 Diao Chan flirting with the main character to get him to do what she wants makes a whole lot of sense compared to the male characters flirting with the main character. I don’t understand why they made all of the dudes gay.
Completely agree with #3. It's driving me crazy that every female wants you. Even a lot of the guys sound like they are trying to get into your pants. The writing is so bad, hopefully with the success of this game they put more effort into the dub and writing of the next one
Hot take: Bailuan is the Main Antagonist of DW Origins. Do you know how much *pain* I have to endure while beating this guy for my Hypotheticals in Hero Difficulty???
It's not just the women, the men also drool over Ziluan but having characters flirt with him is okay, what's bad is that we can't make them stop or progress the flirting to an actual romance. Which goes back to the not-really developed bond system.
A lot of the mispronunciation bits I think are solely in the English dubs. The Japanese dubs (My PS5 version only has Japanese or English as possibilities) pronounce him Kong Rong, where the Anglicized version pronounces it Kong Wrong. All of the Sun family gets pronounced right I believe too.
I agree and disagree with some takes here. Bio's entire thing with is that he wants the death of the Han. You really only win him over with their true ending in my opinion. He even starts debating if Liu Bei is the true enemy because hes doing so well. His support more or less is based in the fact he actually wants to sow chaos. On Diochan, the game pretty explicitly states she only persues Lu Bu to turn him against Dong Zhou, she is an assasin afterall. And more than any other character she is the most explicit romantic character with your MC.
1. No Cao Ren (WTF, Cao Ren has crucial moment at Cao Cao Journey, (Eight Gate Formation and Chi Bi) 2. No cinematic cutscene Xiahou Dun Eye and Zhang Fei at Chang Ban 3. No Sign of Diao Chan at Battle of Xia Pi
Cao Rens one of my favourites and not seeing him at all really confused me… Could have atleast been background characters. Haven’t got to the 2nd part yet but I noticed a few missing pivotal events.
Personally, on top of all that you mentioned, I believe the greatest gripe i have with the game is that it doesn't actually stop at the formation of the 3 kingdoms. There is still Liu Bei's campaign for Chengdu that occurs. If there were to be a reasonable end to the story, I would say the Battle of Fan Castle would be a better stopping point. Guan Yu's death was the pivotal turning point where the three kingdoms were both formed and the old guard that made them start to die out (either through age or falling during a battle)
2 and 3 ended at Chi Bi so this being origins in guessing they follow that formula which I actually like. Though instead of a new game hopefully it's dlc.
I think this is great starting point to leap the series forward , the open world aspect was done nice so you can see the geography and get a feel for the land the combat was much improved the tactics and sheer amount of things on screen were great as well. Hopefully they can used this and delivery the same thing just with all the playable characters we love I was sad that we could only limited play as so me hero's after a gauge is filled up but if they take this and give us the next installment with all our heros my faith will be restored
10) You can replay battles specifically, but if you want to progress the story differently it makes sense. 9) I can agree with shallow river slowness 8) With as much as they've expanded the story I am surprised to see a complaint so granular. 7) Not everything is going to be a fan service for the returning player, I'm sure the devs understand that we're familiar. This is more for new players. 6) All fate changing cutscenes are like this, again secrets for new players, not returning players. 6a) How wide of a story line do you want? There are sacrifices to be made, we've got a deep story, not a wide story. 5) I'd prefer Ziluan to be used more, but how did you suppose the voice actors guess at every thing you could've named your character. They certainly could have added some voice acting to the protagonist though. 4) Another fan service complaint. The story has always been an interpretation and the weapons on the prior games was always meant to expand the width of the games. There are limited weapons, which allows for better focus on the mechanics of each weapon (other than 6 attacks + charge) and key characters have weapons that make sense. 3) This point, I 100% agree on. "I'll remember goin on a walk with you forever". Why? Lol! No boundaries either, male/female, they were all coming on to you. 2) There is a meta-narrative that exists, and as much as your character is the protagonist in that narrative, Biluan is the antagonist in the meta-narrative. That simple. 1) This is an oddball complaint. Do you have the official pronunciations? I'm certain the script writers have enough research to dictate how things should be said. And it's consistent enough to not notice unless you're looking at it under a microscope. Top complaint, really?
well arent we a bucket full of sunshine 10) small complaint, but like I said its nbd just needed something added 8) why did people like Gan Ning-Ling TOng duo, it was cuase of their origin, they dont have that here, also that was just one example among others 7) for sure, but its like watching a movie, just cause we havent seen the movie doesnt mean we cant call out bad writing.. 6) the main issue is continuity, they coudl've had a different death scene, or have him say nothing and splat, 6a) what makes a story great is depth tho 5) VAs couldve had the lines spoken and recorded then coded to speak when prompted, easy or have AI do it after sampling their voice. very easy 4) cloned weapons are a big stink, no matter what, we started with consoles that had less than a GB of storage and a hairs width of memory but had over 20 different weapons, not that I dont understand but it still suck to see 2) i get that, a neutral stance is still a better choice for the overall perspective of disliking Shu cause they're liked in game. I get it its from the novel perspective but its hard to keep defending Shu when the new guy is pro shu anti everyone else.. also Shu is the main one to push the Han restoration. and bailuan hates the Han.. ? 1) I dont have the official pronunciations, but it doesnt take that to knwo these are crazy bad. The inconsistency of the characters pronunciation is terrible.. at least back in the day they were wrong but consistent. the pronunciation for the Dub will never be perfect but it can be better than this Also, the vid doesnt reflect my feelings on DW. my WHOLE channel is ONLY DW, you think someone who truly dislikes it would consistently makes vids on it for years? No, im just a guy who looks at and analyzes it all. DW is everything to me & a video on some things about the new games flaws isnt an accurate reflection on how I feel about the franchise. Welcome to the channel.
This video was excellently made. Why they thought it was cool to put in a Persona mechanic of the females flirting with the main character in a Dynasty Warriors game is beyond baffling to me. And what madness is this about Lu Bu striking DaioChan!? Inexcusably stupid move, that is.
@TheNightowlGaming The mispronunciations I had thought that Koei-Tecmo had fixed by DW5. And, historically, it was well known that several of those ladies would beat down a man for mouthing off if he had said some of those weird lines.
@@truthfulgaming996 i wouldn’t have a problem with it it’s just I just don’t like how they did the combo system n story mode it’s too short for my liking
I just hated how, with the exception of Cao Cao, the hypothetical scenarios change practically nothing. 2 additional minutes of cutscenes, rest is identical. Especially Sun. You save a character in chapter 3 and then he pretends to be dead for the rest of the story anyway.
5:01 Huang Gai spent a crap ton of time trying to get to Sun Jian, and the dialogue before the cutscene is pretty clear that Huang Gai is just about to reach Sun Jian when the cutscene plays. I think it is pretty clear that Sun Jian is turning to see Huang Gai in both cutscenes. I'm not sure why they decided to frame the scene that way, but that doesn't mean it's all that confusing.
If it was Huang Gai, then the saving cutscene makes no sense, it should've been Huang Gai there not our character, I could've worded it better but the continuity makes no sense imo
I hate that the main character talks on the battlefield, "I killed an officer" or " I've captured the enemy base" but doesn't talk through the rest of the game in cutseans or anything, you paid a voice actor to just talk on the battlefield, such a shame and a waste of talent.
agree with al the flaws, especially the silent protagonist, like why? he says something in battle but silent af in the cs. Also, the weird bromance, like bro most of the heroes have a wife, why and how would they took a romance liking to the MC? I understand if it was kind of like you're a "good friend" kind of thing, but its delve into the unspoken territory, its just weird and out of character for the male NPCs....
I don't mind the cloned weapons. We only need a bit more. (Dual Swords, Sword/Spear and Shield,) And more battle arts. Also I don't mind DiaoChan being a flirt with the PC. That's her thing, manipulation through seduction.
Great points. I’m fine with the if it’s a experimental spin off but there’s so many things to improve and add. It’s got some solid gameplay/leveling I’d like brought to the new games but a lot needs to be added/re-added or fixed up.
@TheNightowlGaming some of the games, that is accurate, but that is romanticized for the games. From what I remember from the book, it was definitely merely for manipulation. Historically, Diaochan is a mysterious individual on what actually happened
Yeah, I’m just not feeling this game. It’s a big departure from DW. The appeal of the mainline games is playing through the stories of the kingdoms using the great heroes of the age, while the appeal of spinoffs like empires is making my own character and forging my own path. This game has neither. You’re stuck playing some rando… they let you name him, but much like the dialogue options, it’s the illusion of choice. They just give him a different name anyway. The dialogue options are basically 2-3 versions of the same response… there is rarely if ever any real meaningful reason to pick one dialogue option over another… The art direction trying to be dark and gritty like dark souls, while simultaneously turning all the characters into twink femboys is also jarring. They even tried to make Dong Zhuo handsome… like wth. Idk, really hate to be a nay sayer since I bought the special edition, but I really do not enjoy this game and don’t see how other DW fans are gushing over it. Oh well.
I agree. A simple character creation, a couple more branching paths, and even just 3-4 more weapons, and I think it would be more acceptable. I’m a fan since DW2 and have played every game since. So I don’t rag on this game with any amount of joy.
There's no excuse for a game in 2025 to have incorrect pronunciations for the names. I wish they gave you a list of names you could choose that the characters would actually say so dialogue is so janky.
That's why I call 8 the goat, more move sets than characters, hypotheticals, traditional combat system, better voice acting, yellow turbans to fall of shu
The weird bond thing is strange fr. For Yue Ying she like has massive crush on the OC then later on announce she's Zhuge Liang wife and not elaborate further, then the OC has a line say "yea that make sense" 😂
I mean with Jia Xu worrying about a fire attack...you're fighting Wu, who at this point are pretty well known for that. Plus it's likely what he would do if he were on the other side and saw a large WOODEN wall approaching him. Checks out in my book at least😅
That first Lu Bu mission tho, Cao Cao kept refusing to come even after all the enemy officers where gone and kept getting destroyed by Lu Bu. Mad me mad but i did complete it. But is one of the worst ones. I tried fighting Lu Bu which went decent, but few of his attacks are easy to oneshot me. And Cao Cao will stay at me, eat Lu Bu his hits and die, or run off and die fast so that also did not work Also some of the missions where you have to keep multiple commanders alive, while they all really suck, and keep dying fast while also being far apart from each other
I have personally always been a Shu fanboy, but actually during act 2 of origins ive really enjoyed the Wei connections. I dont think theyve been painted as evil yet for me.
Maybe it's just me and a couple of my friends but a good chunk of these issues I can understand why they are a problem but then there are a few that I'm thinking I don't know. Tiger dad's death, while it may sound a bit underwhelming, I did hear from a friend that it did happen in the book so it is not that farfetched, although the whole him being alive afterwards is very odd. Then there's the whole cloned weapons situation where aside from 1 person complaining that their favorite character did not have the claws again, I didn't really see that as a problem especially since we're stuck playing as our character throughout 99% of the game. That I would agree with you being a problem if and only if we played as the characters in other modes which there isn't and we only play as them in the story for a very short amount of time, since they are supposed to be more powerful than we are and speaking of the avatar, as someone who's played through 3 houses, I'm more then accustomed to characters not really calling our character by a name but I could argue that they could have at least given us like a title or something that all the voice actors could say especially since there is no customizable stuff for your character which is the bigger problem. The whole female characters crushing or flirting with you is also not a problem, at least as far as I know because if the Empires games could do that despite these women canonically having love interests then why not at least ONE game in the series and I would say that this is still better then how most of the girls are treated in 6, 7, 8 and 9 where they almost exclusively just focused on their husbands and that is it with nothing to advance them in character development and lastly while I can see that the name mispronouncing is a problem, I still say that it is never as bad as Cao Cao being called Cow Cow from several years ago or that in 9, the VA quality SOMEHOW got worse after 8 despite having a new VA director and English cast. Again I do see your complaints although I do still think that Origins will just be a test bed for mechanics going foward for 10 and I highly doubt we will even see the Nameless wanderer again unless KT pulls a Fire Emblem and brings him back for a crossover game lol. Great job on the video!
appreciate the respect! yeah I agree mostly, most of the issues aren't that big of a deal nor do I find huge issues with em, but if i had to make a list well this is what it woudl be lol
The romance aspect really was puzzling. Having LuBu strike Diaochan was weird to see and they didn’t have an ounce of romantic undertone at all either.
It’s pretty weird that Lu Bu would strike Diaochan, considering the fact that whenever players beat up Diaochan in previous Dynasty Warriors games, Lu Bu goes bonkers and he would hunt down the players and pummel them down big time.
Not going to lie bro, i notice that most of the thing you peeved about are story writing and story elements more than mechanics, although i admit the weapon swapping feels so bad, like DW8 had the best weapon type distribution and should have stuck, like if it doesnt make sense for Dong Zhuo to throw bombs, give him his own sword moveset with the sword of Xiang Yu. And yeah i so agree with the weird romance thing. Let me tell you about that That would have worked or made sense or actually goes through if this is an Empires title and not a linear story title The whole OC into the main timeline as a set story pattern feels so off While we have the Empires counterpart that was LITERALLY MADE to accomondate OCs in the DW franchise. So yeah even though Origins did so well with the new combat system, everything else, like story, feels so off with an OC character taking the reign and we are not even allowed to customize him or even an alternative female version. I agree with every peeve you have and i think that they need to make an Empires version that would make Ziluan making sense and fully customizable rather this... linear story pathing practice.
Regards to your point 2 and point 1, in chinese history and the 3 kingdoms novel, cao cao is a dictator or others words king of bandits who also have no moral rights in his actions. That is why he is always portrayed as the evil. Liu bei being the good guy as he is the benevolent and generous guy who although portrayed as someone who use kindness to win people hearts. Pronunciation is probably due to them being outsourced translated by people who have no chinese background
Could I get some help on the successful charge tactic? I swear I cannot figure it out. I found out the volley tactic. But no matter where I do the charge, it doesn’t count as a successful one.
Excuse me, but as a Chinese historian, I can tell you that The Romancing of The Three Kingdoms is at least 50% Italian American. I have it on good authority, La Cosa Nostra started when LuBu (pronounced Louy Bouy) tries to take over Cao Cao's (Ciao Ciao's) protection racket. ;) Addendum- I see what I did and will go stand in the corner.
In fact, the case with Diaochan is something new in her character. The fact that she is "Lu Bu's Woman" varies from part to part. They were a full-fledged couple only in DW 6. In DW 9, she generally makes it clear that there are no special feelings between them. As in DW 8, in my opinion. In both games, her place was taken by Lu Lingqi (I still can't come to terms with the fact that she is not in Origins). Therefore, a romantic relationship with Diaochan, in my opinion, is a rather interesting experiment. As well as with Shanxiang. Because her inexplicable love for Liu Bei has already become boring for so many games. But with Yueying and Zhenji, this really doesn't work... Because we know whose women they are.
@@TheNightowlGaming This does not mean that we can consider Diaochan "HIS" woman. Regarding the Origins. We do not know what events took place in Chang'an, and how she was able to persuade him to her side. In my opinion, the situation here is identical to DW 9. In fact, in my opinion, this is one of the serious problems of the game that should be mentioned more often. Focusing on new players, they made the story and narrative more compressed and short. Returning to the events in Chang'an, they essentially do not exist ... The coalition is essentially still only five people. Ma Teng, Gongsun Jian, and the rest are still faceless NPCs. Although taking the time period before Chibi, it could have been worked out in more detail.
It's like they saw the fail of DW9 and instead of fixing the glaring problem that fans highlights like clone weapon, VA, and more, they instead focus on how to "modernized" the musou as a genre rather than "Dinasty Warrior" as a series Putting a wanderer MC on a story that already had a bunch of renowned heroes with their own fans were such a fatal step. This isn't fantasy JRPG like Final Fantasy were the "destined one" suddenly change the course of history with their "rogue" action. Leave that for spin-off or other series. DW fans wanted to mow the battlefield with their favourites RoTK heroes, not some "pssh nothing personnel kid" OC. Once again it might work but not as main DW series.
My main pet peeve was KT leaving out characters such as Cao Pi, Cao Ren, Lianshi and Guan Ping. I get not having every character but those four have some importance of the story Pre-Chibi and it bothers me that they are not involved
If I can give one credit to the limited weapons: none of them are bad. Even the worst of them is still High C tier in another game. I never rocked up to a battle that would favor a certain weapon and groaned, unlike some levels in 8 and 7 (looking at you Shu)
Gonna be real, The voice acting in general is a snorefest it's always so slow and, in a way, monotone or just boring in general. I started skipping the scenes with the bonds. I was LITTERALLY falling asleep at my desk playing anything but the battles and I actively find myself not wanting to play the game when I do have free time which fucking blows because I love the gameplay bu there is way more story cutscenes than actual large scale battles.
The "flirting" aspect of the story really threw me off. It's so unnecessary, while at the same time really funny especially when you know how the female characters are going to end up with.
Still going through Origins myself, but as far as the cloned weapons go I'm not too surprised. DW10 was cancelled I think because they didn't want to throw it out at the end of a console lifespan or something - dunno if that's true, just a random comment I saw and am going with - but because it WAS cancelled, they made Origins with the leftovers and therefore some 'ehhhh' things like the Cloned Weapons made its way in to cut down on development time and animations cost (or at least again, I assume.) Think my personal #1 gripe with Origins though is the whole Battle Arts and Bravery system. Not a fan of it at all. I understand what KT was going for in the new "officer duel" focus style of gameplay, but Battle Arts and Bravery is just a waste of time, and a much smaller meter you have to build as you kill soldiers whilst dueling officers. Use move, counter for move goes +1, keep using move until maxed, than unequip it and never put it back on again until everything else is maxed. Having a TON of filler Arts too that are unlockable through the skill tree such as the Arrow ones just adds to the frustration and pointlessness of the system. Mispronunciation has been REALLY bad, but overall the English VAs have that 90s-2000s anime dub quality that just scream they pulled in a few guys to read lines 2-3 times to time the cadence to an auto-advancing line, and that collect that paycheck. Little to no emotion at all in cutscenes; at least in battle some characters are a bit expressive. Here's to hoping that if/when DW10 is made, that the Battle Arts and Bravery are scrapped, competent English VA work is hired/contracted, and no single player self-insert character; we need our vast roster of playable officers and unique weapons for them. :)
i do hope the unique playable officers return, I didnt mind the BA's and bravery system it was something new and refreshing to the old system, VA needs work yeah
@@TheNightowlGaming I'll semi-revise my main complaint, now that I've had a bit more time to think about it. I now think that Battle Arts and Bravery are fine - but the "Mastery" of them can please not come back if its iterated upon.
My biggest gripe is simply the characters from the time period that were missing, even if they werent substancial persay. Cao Ren and the Eight Gates Formation. Cao Pi's first major battle at Chi Bi... how you gonna have Zhen Ji but not her husband??? Ma Tengs involvement in the Coalition against Dong Zhou. The Qiao Sisters? What realm did they vanish to. They have always been at Chi Bi Stuff like that. Those are just a few examples. But still, missing out on those moments does take away from the flow just a bit. I get that some cuts had to be made, but if they have any intention of going forward with the series using this as a soft reboot/premise, lacking them is a bit disheartening. Especially since we all know they will make an appearence suddenly in a future project.
You know what else is bothering, the fact that you don’t get to have your outfit be in different colors! Like if you join Shu, you should wear green, or if you’re on the side of Wei, then you wear blue, and if Wu, red!
I thought I saw something where u can change the trim of the gear to the 3 colors but that was just like pictures
Its only if you pre order the physical edition which sucks @Pelllaw26
Yeah and the other characters shouldn’t be wearing there factions colours until you join them. Let’s not telegraph to the new players who there going to belong too.
I noticed this as well. It’s definitely a let down. Easy way to increase immersion
Those costumes are locked behind the physical collectors edition(treasure box).
Having a silent protagonist that you can name and not being able to customize them is one of the decisions of all time. Just makes the decision to have John Dynasty as the main character even weirder.
Am I crazy or after you give him a name you find out his real name is ziluan?
Agreed
LOL XD
They're trying the Persona approach while not understanding that Persona protags have unique personalities on their own despite being silent instead of being Gordon Freeman-ahh "player vessel".
Because Wo Long already did that and they probably don't want the comparison/scuffle that may come with it (as both Omega Force and Team Ninja are divisions of Tecmo-Koei)?
The worse one is how Guan Yu wants to make me "feel his steel" every chance he gets to be alone with the MC
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Guan Yu and Zhang Fei are here to assure us that it isn't just the women who are in love with us 😂
@@agunabanana3422 definitely felt like this with Huang Guy, swear him and SSX were fighting over me 🤣
@@Atom523 all the gals beware! 😂
I mean that's definitely good, it means our character has great charisma that even the dude's Wo Long can't be contained 😂😂
Having Cao Cao with no moustache are a crimes against Wei😂. Its so weird. But again I applaud koei for doing something new.
Bring back the mustache!
He should have his facial hair back on the Battle of Chi Bi.
Bring back his mustache I can't with this, he looks like he's the son of other dw cao cao no cao cao himself
@theheroofchaos4322 kinda funny how Cao Cao and Sun Jian are the same age but Sun Jian looks like Cao Cao’s father 😂 They are trying to portray the characters when they were young which is accurate like how Samurai Warrior 5 did. But then out of nowhere sun Jian doesn’t look young like Cao Cao and Liu Bei
Can’t wait for meng huo DLC 🦁
As someone who speaks some Chinese, you're understanding the pronunciation just fine.
I get the impression a lot of the voice acting was done on the cheap and remotely, and without any guidance or direction.
I don't mind Origins as an experiment/spinoff, like Kessen... but I _really_ hope this isn't meant to replace a mainline DW game...
@@planescaped yeah, I hope so too! I still hope that Koei Tecmo and Omega Force are still active in making Dynasty Warriors 10!
Appreciate it! Also don't mind the experimentation with origins either
The producer said in some interviews, even the one on this channel that it's not a replacement but more of a reset to prove to the higher ups that it can still make money.
Overall it's a major step in the right direction for a strong foundation, that can be built upon. In future mainline games.
Kessen... way to resurface a memory out of my Swiss cheese brain.😮
after 9 . origin is good.
Games great, but lack of playable characters is a miss. The difficultys alot of fun tho. Challenging and sometimes frustrating but never dull.
Can’t say it’s dull but I am impatient trying to build the character to its strong form and this game needs more enemies and better presentations of the enemies when you fight them, it’s very old looking and boring af library idk man Japanese type vibe it ain’t it. Neeeds a newer striking palette to where it’s noticeable the enemies fly out of your way and when their is more enemies they should think of a way to make it immersive the the attacks again. I think this game needs more attacks presentations off the bat rather than jsut giving us 4 special move attacks and give us like 5 or 4 mousou moves if not, we need a bigger view of the battlefield and a shit ton of more enemies atleast 50,000 enemies and let us have a sonically sound moveset and a better cinematic experience I think it’s kind atrocious looking in right in your face ways with coming up to the enemy groups sometimes.
The lack of playable characters in itself is not necessarily a deal breaker for me, but It's a shame that we don't have a customizable character and a lot more outfits and weapons to make up for it, I don't really feel like Ziluan is "my" character as a result. That said, I am still enjoying everything else about the game immensely, big battles have never felt better for me.
Definitely agree, a great found for a tru DW game when they make it
I totally agree with you on this one. It's been a huge staple for the dynasty warriors series all the different characters, and as a person who's played every single game and loved them all, I absolutely hate not being able to play the characters. I didn't think it was going to bother me that much at first, but it really really does. Especially when they get new designs, it's like, why would you I don't want to play these characters? Plus just the potential of new characters being playable, it's just bothers me. And the low number of weapons bothers me too
I Also feel like that past few games, Everytime they bring something new to the series, they take something away which doesn't really make sense to me. Kinda like how they started out with characters sharing weapons/movesets. I don't understand why they have to take away good things just to try to add something else that's new
They all want a piece of the protagonist lmao and omg when I heard them say Lu Bu I lost my mind
LOL Lu Bu was wildin for sure
@ oh 100% I hope they add more weapons tho and no coop F I was hoping they added coop to the game either way I enjoyed the game
Louie Bu 🤣
Cao Cao is a bad guy. He kidnapped the current Emporor, held him hostage, and used the Emporor to pass on laws and stuff.
Liu Bei is a bad guy. He had his followers jump into their death, dragged on wars with his indecisiveness and his hypocrite "virtue." He also threw his infant son on the ground and made him stupid.
The Sun family is also bad people, Sun Jian stole the Jade seal, Sun Ce was arrogant, his strategist Zhou Yu was also arrogant. Sun Quan was okay, but he was insignificant, their sister Sun Shangxiang was married off to Liu Bei because Zhou Yu was stupid, also she tried to steal Liu Bei son and deflected back to Wu when Liu Bei grew too powerful.
What I'm trying to say is, let's be real, people are heroes in their own stories, and villains in others, so calling Wei bad and hating on them doesn't seem fair.
Sorry about the rant. I heard hating on my boy Cao Cao and got triggered.
i think it's hard to find who are the actual good characters and bad ones in the game. Probably only Zhen Ji and Yue ying made sense to me that were good side characters.
Let's not forget that cao cao had a tendency for stealing other peoples widows and that he's number 1 tactic in war was terror, so he would pass throught villages killing anyone and everyone in his wake, also he ordered that each Yuan shao soldier captured got their ears and noses cut off, and after winning the guandu battle he executed 70-80k surrendered soldiers, he also had desired to be becoming emperor eventually becoming prince which only "Liu"s were allowed to become.
If you compare him with others Cao Cao "bad" behaviour is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worst than Sun and Liu bei bad behaviour combine, Cao was hated and feared by almost everybody.
I'm not saying that Koei is doing great with their portrayal about those 3 but the missbehaviour that people try to push to justify that Cao Cao was not as bad compare to Liu Bei and Sun quan is really not plausible.
@@Raptoriago more than trying to make Cao Cao the "Good Guy" i would prefer if they stopped the Whole Shu being the Good guy narrative that most of Dynasty Warriors games try to push and instead do a more Neutral stand point... Origins was the perfect game for it to show because the MC is an outsider without a faction Bias and Failed to actually do it
@@blackfangex6813 I disagree in two points:
The first: That Koei portrays Shu is the Good Guy, for what i see the "dynasty" that you choose to play is the most righteous and saint and the others are the spawn of devil on earth, it was my impression through DW7-8 campaing. I would prefer to show more about unique views with their flaws and more side development.
the second: That Origins by putting much view in Liu Bei being the moral one and virtues one; it follows in line with the huge perception of people of that time that cao cao was the most vile person alive and the only one who could rival him was Liu bei, so making Baoling more towards liu bei than cao illustrate great this kind of thought, i don't find perfect or ideal but at least is not as forced as people claims to be.
I would give more spotlight to lesser warlords to help solidify more the character development of Cao and Liu, maybe even Sun, but Yuan Shu is there so is something, Liu Biao and Tao qian would be great.
It’s not just the female characters pay attention to the bond sessions with the males they say some sus things I was like uh noooooooo wtf is going on lol
Yea Guan Yu be saying some wild stuff, I remember he said some shit like let us celebrate to me remembering your voice, soul, smell , and face merged with my memories like relax my guy😂😂👌🏿
Lmao listen I was like why do these cats want to go spend time with me in secluded areas
Yeah all the female characters loving the MC is just weird like SSX gets married right after Chibi and she’s still flirting with the MC 😂
Lol right
For me, my biggest grips are the silent protagonist thing(especially since we can’t customize him), only having 10 weapons, and the removing of characters who appeared during this time(i’m OK with them not being playable, but they should at least be here). Also, there seems to be some indication based off of some voice lines that certain characters drop that there was a gender swap option, and I wonder why it was removed.
Definitely some huge misses
Fun experiment but let’s move on from Dynasty Hero and get back to Dynasty Warriors please. Replacing an entire vibrant roster of playable characters with a bland nameless thirst trap (feels like self insert with how much everyone loves him for no reason) was always going to be disappointing for me. Still having fun but man I miss playing as my people.
I mean I like the fact that there are much fewer characters. In the old dynasty warriors most of the cast was just fillers for different weapons for the most part with maybe one small moment for a large part of the cast. Now with only a handful they have flushed out and made most of the cast stand out as characters now with personality's outside of a single character trait. It's a improvement from a story telling pov from the old games and it keeps the main story and makes the characters feel more impact full
@@insidechaos4913 Much fewer? They went from 90 to zero. I'm not considering Ziluan a character because they have no character. If they want to trim the playable cast down, that's okay but it'd be nice to be able to play as other characters ATLEAST in a free mode or something. I think if they wanted to do a nameless hero, it would have been better to let you create a character, pick a kingdom to join as a recruit, and work your way up the ranks to become a hero.
It's a weird situation, they can easily make us play as the other characters but you have to remember the entire game only has 10 movesets, would the clones not be annoying, as warriors fans always complain about?
@nobodynamedmatlock well with the if I remember correctly 21 characters in the game they all have gotten their own storyline and are active members of their factions plot so all of them now have a roll.
For a free mode they do have one where after you beat the story you can go back and play any time in said route again so it's there and what would playing as other characters do when you all share the same moveset for the weapons you have now. They cut down the weapons and now every one of them feel different to use and play with much better with the quality of the gear over quantity.
For your last point for the nations because they are adding someone to the romance it doesn't make much sense to let you pick a faction from day one due to the sun family not haveing any real interaction with the yellow turban unlike Wei and shu do. That would make you have to have a different start point if you pick them and that makes a clear storyline much harder to do plus for new entrys into the game they wouldn't know who to pick and this way they can see all 3 sides and can have a clear idea who to pick when that point comes.
@@insidechaos4913there are so many characters in the romance of the three kingdoms story. Even in the novels, majority of them (even cool ones with great moments) don’t get a lot of “screen time”, and are mainly relegated to supporting roles.
The story is about the lords, strategists, and a few key heroes. Not every character needs a deep exploration of their motives and backstories.
Even in the 2010 chinese adaptation, that spanned 95 episodes (45 min each), Xiahou Dun had a SINGLE SCENE. It was cool to see him fight Guan Yu, but beyond that, i don’t care what his favorite color is.
Having a silent protagonist is getting on my nerve tbh. What was the point of interacting with other characters if Mr. MC himself can't talk for shiit. I'm starting to think that was an excuse to cover up their lack of good VA
Yep and the choices don't even matter
Man such an amazing video I am so glad to know that I am not alone. Definitely I really hate it when someone random just appears from nowhere and keep saying Cao Cao is evil and Liu Bei is Good. I mean what the hell? All these talented officers following Cao Cao are idiot? of course not. I thought we finally moved over these old day DW Habits but unfortunately not. And the other thing why almost every female character have to flirt with us? This doesn’t help lore at all instead that is kinda character assassination. Also main character and the ones from his past look like kinda K-pop singers, I wish they could keep their designs a bit more “traditional”
definitely some weird ones for sure
Diachan was never Lu Bu's girl dude...she was forced into that and gave herself too him in order to kill someone....there was never any lore accurate proof that she had feelings for Lu Bu. Not even in any form of the romance of the three kingdoms....learn some history outside the games.
Lmao my G, the history outside the game isn't super relevant since the whole game os fictional, it's derived from by not true to it or else they'd have sun jian kill hua xiong, Pam xhang capture guan yu and many others similar, so because they've already created that narrative IN the game, it's dumb to change it. Cmon man
@TheNightowlGaming Some of the games do have that stuff happen actually. But it's still really odd too say Diachan is Lu Bu's girl...she's clearly not even in the games
I found it so funny that our protagonist can slaughter thousands and best the greatest warriors in the land and at the same time flirt with every character, like 90% of the npcs are so down bad for this twink 10/10
Lmao it is a bit excessive
The fire attack, it really did go down like the game shows in a way. In the books, it was stated how tying the ships together would be foolish due to the odds of a fire attack destroying everything. But Cao Cao was persuaded by Pang Tong to ignore that and bind the ships anyway. Just sayin.
Yeah I think his delivery is what killed me, so monotone and "this is what it is" versus doing the normal convo and they figure it out Naturally
It wasn't that simple. The wind blew in Wu's direction at that point of time, and any fire would only burn the front ships and fizzle out. Zhuge Liang studied the weather more closely and judged that it would change during that exact battle.
that stuff with shu is basically because Japan is heavily bias towards shu lol
Lol yeah
@@TheNightowlGaming well i should change that MOST of asia has a bias to them. how they prop up zhang fei is always amusing when he is a known abuser and the type of person that begins with a R and ends with a ist.
True, I remember reading some chinese werks that call him, what is translated to eng as, "big eared liu". Dey got some pretty neat insults to each of the factions.
I'm glad someone mentioned how weird the dialog is with some of the guys. It's happened like 3 or 4 times now too and I'm only in act 3 lol.
I guess it is the difference between Western and Eastern culture. Westerners don't like being told what to do.
The number 7 with the advice is pretty normal to me.... They are the best strategists in history during that time, and that is their job.... Predict things before it happens and plan accordingly. And they are really good at their job.... So it is a good idea to listen to them 😊
Absolutely! If you look at history, those who ignore advice often stumble and quickly disappear from the record. Especially When the advisor is as famous and skillful as Guo Jia.
For sure, I think it's just the delivery, like it takes out the drama when they say "yeah this is how it's gonna go" how? Based on what? Lol 😁
I agree, it's a sign of immaturity when someone can't take advice from others, especially if they're legendary advisors. It's like ignoring singing tips from Celine Dion - you're missing out on valuable guidance!
Totally agreed, you got advice from Guo Jia and you don't want to listen? OMG!!!!!! you are missing out bro lol
Questioning Guo Jia's advice? Are you serious? He was an exceptional strategist. History shows his insights were incredibly accurate, almost prophetic. He never made a mistake. His genius was so profound that he often didn't need to elaborate on his plans; their brilliance was self-evident.
For #6 (Sun Jian's death) His dialogue is vague on purpose. Cutscenes plays whenever either you or Huan Gai reaches him. That's also why you see it in 1st person as he's talking to you, I think it's to make it less obvious that you successfully saved him uppon reaching him by seeing his demise play the same way you've already experienced until very last second. So yeah, He's talking to both you and Huan Gai at once.
True, I didn't say it in the video but if it is your guy when he dies then why couldn't our guy save him? The continuity is off, they should've just splat him without the last line lol
Sorry for the spoiler but they can prevent Sun Jian, Sun Ce and some others from dying
@@BlackRose88-04Hell, DW8 do this in hypothetical route just fine (Escape their destined demise, shows up in the next or another battle once and retired coz wound/disguising/hiding/whatever reason they could do to justify it)
Why is it so hard to just polish the already perfect recipe?
Cao Cao is looked at as the villain because bro took the emperor hostage for yearsss and then ended up disposing him later in the years. So Chinese history will always remember that 😊
Well his son did that not him, but i understand
Glad I wasn’t the only one who was irked at the mispronunciations of the names in this game. Especially Lu Bu’s.
The worst Thing about Origins is definitly how they inserted the MC into the established Story and the relationship between the old characters and the new MC.
I'm absolutely Not against having a consistent Main character to Play, but how the Story was written around him Just feels Like self-insert fanffiction.
Every character instantly adores ziluan and bends over Backwards to get in His good graces. At some points it borders in character assassination.
Liu Bei trusts you more than His sworn Brothers.
Diaochan loves you, instead of LuBu. In fact almost every female character seems to be instantly in Love with ziluan.
Normally Stern Characters Like for example Zhang Fei are reduced to babbeling bafoons because they are so taken aback by your imposibg presence.
Fcking Dong Zhuo... The TYRANT Dong Zhuo adores you for the Warrior you are...
Ziluan is not just the MC, He is the Chosen one Messiah of ancient China and that lessens every other character and their impressive deeds... It's sad really.
Finally someone who agrees with me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ashleybradley3396 i feel like a lot of people dont See it that way because it is very "cliche anime writing". And since a Lot of people enjoy that.... Well..
@ well I didn’t enjoy it. It just felt everyone was dick riding you
Lmfao Dong Zhou has a bond with you when he is basically emperor and is executing desenters where you refuse to join him and he basically says "damn OK well... you're so cool. feel free to kill me later" AND LETS YOU FUCKING LEAVE!!!
bro WHAT?!
ye... I spit on western self-insert mary sues. And I spit on dis mofo mc in origin. Would be nice if we can git a remaster dw4... with dw8 graphic and maybe dw8 plot extension instead of dis.
One of the worst things was the lack of THE GOAT Lei Bin, how you going to have Zhao Yun without his best friend 😔
Lei Bin is only limited in Godseekers I'm afraid.
This guy and his Lei Bin 😎
Just bring back dynasty warriors 4 and combine it with origins simple as that and brings back all hero’s from DYW 4
thatd be sick
The fact clone weapons made a return despite the SMALLER roster is indefensible. . .
Each weapon type is greatly expanded upon and has many skills to learn/use. They aren’t just simple normal/strong attack combo chains anymore. I personally liked the weapon/combat system in this game more than I did in any other Dynasty warriors game. They even have challenges for you to do to unlock legendary weapons (akin to 4th weapons in DW3 -DW5). There’s less weapon types but plenty of variety in combat that it beats having 50 weapon choices, IMO (a fan playing DW since DW3 first came out).
I have to say this but that fire attack foreshadowing WAS in the original story as well. It's a an important plot point in the book because at that time Cao Cao is so high on his own power he didn't listen to his advisor clearly seeing the possibility of a fire attack.
The thing I hate the most is when the camera shifts back to back in combat. I hate pausing mid combo to be told, someone over there is doing something. I’m like halfway through someone’s health bar, just shoot an alert and let me use my eagle vision to find it. Game is so good though, I’m having a blast! I was able to beat Lu Bu first try (ok I died like 20 times rofl)
iirc there is an option in the settings to change the pause for notifications
@ omg you might be my hero!
@ seriously, thank you! XD
Haha nice!
Zhuge Liang having that chin strap beard is a crazy design choice lol
Zhou Cang when change class to strategist😅
I agree with most, there were a few I felt are personal preference. Like the other characters hitting on Ziluan and the weapon thing. For me the biggest crime is to have this silent protatgonist and not at least let us pick a female depiction of Ziluan if not character creation. They did exactly what I feared.
Yeah a CAW would've been so cool, definitely a missed opportunity
Wth Sun Jian Hypotheticals and Sun Ce being alive, it is really kinda boring, The only difference is that Sun Jian and Sun Ce rescues the Emperor at the very end. Nothing Changes with the battles or the events later on. Sun Jian took roughly 5 years to apparently recover his injuries, and he doesn't come back AFTER Yuan Shao and/or Yuan Shu dies, which was the entire point why he decided to stay away. He is literally famed as a living legend for the family, and decides to not get involved which potentially could've lead Sun Ce's death (if we don't rescue him), as well as leaving a 18 year old (Sun Quan) to manage his "Kingdom".
I would say that the Hypotheticals are kinda a miss for this one. No new Battles that I felt was unlocked nor made a major impact.
With the bonding sections with the Female Character, Diao Chan is potentially the only one that makes sense. Lady Zhen (or Zhenji) marries Cao PI (who is not in this game though), around 204, after the Yuan Family collapses. So interaction prior to this made sense, maybe a little bit after the marriage as well, where she expresses that she is just in a cage, just married to a different house. Historically, She also witness many of her maids being brutatelly pluesured by males and was saved by Cao Pi intervention only because of her appearance. Yueying already married Zhuge Liang, however it is possible Yueying did liked the "Hero" because Females in Historic China were not allowed to be proactive or Smart, usually are just Maids or house-wives. Historically, her parents said she was ugly, and mostly likely many males didn't like her. The "Hero" presumably didn't mind it, similarly to how Zhuge Liang, who didn't cared about her appearance, but like who she is. She presumably didn't had much interaction with male friends, thus didn't really know her boundaries.
With Diao Chan, she is kinda a Folklore, many believing she isn't real, where there are many interpretation of who she is. She may be in love with Lu Bu, or maybe it was just a ruse inorder to just kill of Dong Zhuo, and really just likes the "Hero". We are also given a theme that only Legends with massive FolkLores , Such as Guan Yu (where he has the most amount of interaction with the hero, and is the first person to meet him) , Zhuge Liang (Sleeping Dragon) and Pang Tong (the Immortal Phenoix) knows the existences of the Hero. So Diao Chan, whom is also a legend/ based on FolkLore, could potentially end up with the "Hero".
Definitely some good points and I agree w most 👌
Worst Things?
- No Change from the Outfit Color After Faction decision
- some Gay approach from Officers, I mean some are ok but it felt like everybody want‘s the Mc
- weopons, i‘m Fine with 9 or 10 weopns, I don’t net over 20 Weapons to choose from but letting Sun Ce of Jia Xu have the „wrong“, Weapons is a Crime. Just give everybody a Sword and i still be ok with that.
- Cao Cao no mustache, i mean Guan Yu beard grow in the storyline why Not Cao Cao After Chapter 4 or 3
- some Important cutscenes are not the (Dun Eye) or what happends to the emperor after Dong Zhuo dead is Not well explained in the Game
Meh personally, I rather stick to one weapon than having to GRIND the rest to level up.... Just gimme a sword am fine with smash ab like jak and daxter. Honestly would argue that it is better to "progress fully" with just one weapon than multiple weapon and "half progress". The argument of quality over quantity.
And I actually mistook cao cao for lu bu..... Brah ned dat stache.
I love this game, I really do so far but to me being the “protagonist” is a bit weird. In my opinion, there’s no real main protagonist in the dynasty warriors franchise. It just seems so wrong. Felt weird there’s also a decent amount of missing characters, also characters who have seem to have less importance than before.
Yeah there is a bit of a balance between the new and old for this game that was done well
Yea the weapon choice were bad. I guess it's cuz im so used to everyone's Dw8 weapons. The uniqueness is what made it awesome
Indeed
Dw 8 is goated for sure.
I just finished the regular Wu path last night, it was the first route that I chose. My Lord, you are so right about the voice acting, it's terrible. How can a 25 year old franchise allow so many mistakes with voice actors like no one even listened to the dialogue before putting it in the game.
yeah and the worst part is they say they're experts on the time period, they just must not care about the English side
Definitely would've liked to hear more of what you thought would've been better, on top of your critique points. Some points I get it totally, being a seasoned DW player myself, but other things you said I WANT to understand and just can't.
Edit: also gotta add that DW is "a series of Japanese hack and slash action video games" about "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", so there is room for inconsistencies across the board since day 1. I remember picking DW8 back up and laughing like crazy cause everyone is speaking japanese!
lol for sure, theres just a blend of greatness they couldve sprinkled in to make this the best dw game ever and they missed out, a CAW/destiny mode type game wouldve been a huge bump in how great the game couldve been
The cloned weapons as it were make sense in the context of this game. There's only 10 types in the whole game, characters who use something that is close to what you have in Origins, is simply remodeled (like Yu Jin and Xu Huang having their original weapons, but using the Guandao movesets)
As for the female characters having a thing for the MC...I mean at least the male ones do too
lol equality!
On a different note, I had your No.2 item in my brain for a while last night and kind of figured it out this morning. One of Cao Cao's nicknames is, "Hero of Chaos." Your role and Bailuan's role is to be, "Guardians of Peace." Peace vs Chaos is what Bailuan is playing into.
Bailuan sees Liu Bei as the most peaceful and wants to support him. He sees Wu and Wei as obstructions to his goal of Liu Bei having success. He is only okay with Wu when Sun Quan allies Wu with Shu. So, if you don't follow Liu Bei or ally with Liu Bei, Bailuan sees you as an advisory. If you follow Cao Cao as Ziluan, you are committing a cardinal sin because you as the Guardian of Peace are supporting the Hero of Chaos. To Bailuan, that goes against everything that you should stand for.
The trade off in that is the Wei heroes seem to have well built out backstories.
makes sense, but Hero of Chaos could also mean the same as Guardian of Peace, Hero of Chaos --> rescuer of chaos, a hero among the chaos, things to that effect
Would like to what clone weapon each unique character got and your thoughts on if it suits them or not. Ive not seen anything online on this.
Sure!
There is actually a "w" component in "Sun" (technical term is "rounded")
"swan" is indeed incorrect though, especially the two syllable way of how it's done in DWO
It's a "close back rounded vowel" diphthonged into neutral schwa (mid central vowel), but it's also still a single syllable
But, there is basically no way to convey that to a general English speaking audience via the Latin alphabet
If anything it tells me the direction is actually trying to get them to speak mandarin, just it's too hard for the VAs.
Many of the pronunciations from the older games you are familiar is also super wrong anyways (it's not the "soon" family, as you have pronounced either)
so the whole thing is just a lost cause, I wouldn't worry about it
Well the pronunciation is definitely shot, but I'd just stick to what we've had before instead of really trying like they are and messing up. Like in the booth, they should've heard them trying to do it and be like, nah let's just stick to what worked before
My 2 complaints...
1. The choice of dialogue sometimes: eck..
2. The pacing of battles.. I love the pressure you feel to meet objectives.. but it doesn't need to feel the same so many battles.. like, previous dw games battles were more drawn out and felt more epic.. not like I gotta rush across the map to kill 1 officer, but oh crap now I have to rush back to my base to kill that officer before a guy on my side gets offed.. to hustl back to the other side of the map to make sure my other 'can't die' teammate dies
2 fair points
The one thing I will defend about Sun Jian is him faking his death. I think if this game got DLC or a Sequel, the explanation would be that Sun Jian was in hiding but still watching over his family from a distance. That way if the Sun family were ever in huge trouble, he could act as backup/reinforcements in a battle.
THAT SAID, DW 7 or 8 (I can't remember which) did a better job of an alternate scenario where Sun Jian survives. Basically him telling Sun Ce that now he is the leader of the Wu/Family since Sun Jian is realizing he's getting too old for combat and is basically a walking liability for the warriors.
I do wish the game included an alternate Battle of Chibi where you could have Sun Jian and possibly even Sun Ce if you saved him too launching a surprise attack on the Wei from behind their lines. Or heck just even showing up as generals in the battle, causing the Wei to become demoralized as they are "Seeing the dead come back to life." Like the idea being they think the Heavens literally resurrected Sun Jian and Sun Ce just to punish Cao Cao.
8 is one with hypotheticals
100% they should've added more cs of him in the shadows working from a distance that'd be cool, and yeah DW8 was the hypothetical one that was good for Wu
I mean that wouldn't make sense being as sun jain was in his mid 30s when he died so in the prime of his life. If I recall correctly he was only 2 or 3 years older the Cao Cao so if he was too old you'll also be saying Cao Cao and Lei Bai are too old as well. The injuries point makes much more sense for the folks who have read the romance( a large part of the fans of DW)
Yeah I agree with the silent protag. It's so weird to me.
At least have the character speak the lines we choose, the silence is so weird.
Clone weapons yeah super weird. I get why in this game with making the weapons overall better, but still keeping more unique ones would have been nicer. I hope orgins 2 allows more unique weapons for the officers, even if they are bad like the fan, the mace, the throwing knives, just make them to give variety expecially for the main "cast"
Yup agreed
Is Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao in this game?
Not this time
@The Nightowl, You forgot the spoiler warning also most of your problems are through playing and completing the game too fast, I’m taking my time. Another thing you didn’t notice is how the AI changes plans if something hoes wrong, (Example: Wei strategist sets up one plan, Player stops it so Wei decides to use a strategy they had planned on using in a previous campaign.) Your little pet peeve about an officer dying and there was no huge difference, He is a minor hero. Also your problem with Sun Jian, I never went to save him and he didn’t die since one of his officers got to him in time, I was too busy at the main camp to save him. Don’t rush games.
Okay i just beat my first playthough and I think i know a decent way they could have done bailuan.
What could have happened was zuahe doesnt die, and thier is a 3rd natural born guardian from the village along with us the player. (4 total) the attack happens we the player lose our memories and all 4 guardians end up going seperate ways.
Bailuan sees lui bei as the hero
Zuahe could see the sun Family as the heros
3rd guardian sees Cao Cao as the hero
This gives every faction a hidden guardian helped them and hindering the others.
We the outsider who was taken into the village and becoming a guardian, keep the main position of choosing who we want as leader, and who we see as the hero. But now see between 3 others perspectives to why each is a hero or false idol.
At least to me this would be better then the single faction favoritism lui bei gets.
for sure, some good points I could see
I’ll be honest, I did like this Cao Cao voice. But I’m with you bout the clone weapons, and bout Bailuan. I personally like to play most as Cao Cao Forces because it’s a bit difficult to get the true ending. That’s it
What bothers me the most is the lack of character customization and your number 1 point.
Yup no CAW was a missed gold mine
ngl I thought the whole bailuan thing was going to be like the start of a pokemon game; you pick the blue, green, or red one and he picks one of the others and gets increasingly annoying about it no matter what you do lol
Man I feel bad for feeling disappointed that this game is as different as it is. I get why they needed to do it and it looks like it’s been super successful so far but I’ll have to wait for SW, WO or a new spinoff
This one was great with some flaws as they all do
@ Indeed as no matter the game there is no such thing as a perfect and flawless game
Great video man! The pronunciations also got to me too. I feel like they were trying to get them to pronounce the names based on the proper tonal inflection, which is difficult to describe to someone who hasn't tried to learn the language. As an example, the first u for Lu Bu is almost said with the throat position of an E and the mouth position of U. I believe the issues with the Swan family is that the tone on the U is supposed to move upward and it can almost sounds like they're saying Suh-an. I appreciate the attempts, but they constantly pulled me out of the game when it happened.
For sure, I live with someone who speaks fluent Chinese and she was explaining to me why they were misguided, appreciate the support my friend!
10. I can forgive the forced tutorial since this *is* a major revamp, but no manual saves during combat REALLY sucks, especially on Hero difficulty. Some of the story missions are pretty massive with a lot happening in them, and having to redo whole minutes of progress due to an unlucky encounter or a plot-critical ally getting wiped hurts.
9. Yeah, this one I agree with. I can understand being defenseless in deep water that requires you to swim, but all of a sudden putting away your weapon and slowing to a crawl in waist-deep creeks that don't even have active currents? While enemies are actively shooting at you? Ridiculous. Even worse, it yanks you off your horse just to force you into the 'waterwalk' animation. Why? If Ziluan can stand upright in it, a steed should be able to run through it.
8. Ah, the old 'this is gonna happen & there's nothing you can do about it' scripted events. Poorly scripted at that, I see. I've never had too much issue with it (seeing them as part of certain stages' gimmicks if anything), but making them occur in such contrived manners is, well...stupid. As shown in your example. What army general with even an inkling of battle experience goes charging into the enemy camp solo??
7. I can see where you're coming from. Once in a while is fine, these are some the smartest minds in the country & it's literally part of their job to think of potential dangers along the journey. But pointing out almost every way something could go wrong before it happens borders on precognition, and not acting on such valid concerns is even more ludicrous. It's like the devs are wagging their eyebrows at the series vets who already know what happens.
6. Skipped this entry cause I haven't done a full Wu playthrough yet, though I have seen Sun Jian's death scene. It already seemed extra sus to me, but seeing it on a list like this only makes me wonder how poorly the hypothetical side of it gets handled.
5. UGH. Silent, non-customizable protagonist. This was the biggest ball drop of the entire game. We literally just had Wo Long, how did the devs not realize that people want to play as *their* MC, not some generic Xu Shu/Akira Kurusu hybrid who never talks? At least give us a choice of gender, Zhuhe was right there and could've easily been swapped out with Ziluan.
4. Meh. I was never too bothered by weapon clones, just having the different playable characters was usually enough for me. That said, some of the choices here were insanely egregious (Dong Zhuo rocking twin axes like frigging Zhang Liao?)
3. Ah yes, the classic 'everyone loves ya' Gary Stu MC. Funny how SW4 did it so much better - friends were friends, most everyone saw you differently, and love interests varied depending on gender and the marital status of the character in question (another reason why we should've at least had a female option). Here, *every single person* just instantly falls head over heels with Ziluan because...he looks & fights good? And not even just the women (all of whom minus Shangxiang should have significant others), the men get super friendly around him too, with some wild dialogue to boot.
2. Blame the novel for this one. 'Cao Cao bad, Liu Bei good' was kinda just how it went in the book this series is based off of. Ironically, I'd figured Bailuan would have the least beef with Sun Quan rather than Liu Bei since the former wasn't involved with the Later Han like his old man was (unlike mister big ears who's literally a distant Han descendant).
1. Was definitely thrown for a loop by how the same name would be said in all kinds of different pronunciations. I just figured they were trying to be more accurate (like how they did with Cao/Tsao, Sima/Sumah, Quan/Chuan, etc), but you're right, it's almost like different voice actors were given different directions. Definitely weird.
I thoroughly enjoyed this comment, appreciate it man! and im glad you agreed with most, the games still great just some minor stuff
I actually think that there is a legit reason for #3. Outside looking in, the bond moments look and sound weird (Especiallh those like Guan Yu and Yueying). But if Im not mistaken it has something to do with seeing the heavens in his eyes according to the early phases of the 1st chapter. Its spoken about before bonds so its easy to overlook, and im pretty sure a couple people in bonds do reference. But its like looking at a reflection of the best parts of one self if my understanding is correct.
Anyways, bonds could have been handled better sure, but i dont think we can say its never explained as to why everyone is drawn to him like a moth to a flame.
@@thereaversden6847 Some of the cast does reference his eyes, true. In that case, making him a *fully* silent protagonist (like in Nioh 2) would've worked better imo. A character who literally doesn't speak, text or otherwise, would've made the rest of the cast have to infer his thoughts and feelings purely through body language and expressions. It'd make him more enigmatic and give them more reason to look to his 'reflective' eyes while conversing. But as it stands, darn near everyone acts like he's unconsciously casting a freaking charm spell every time they see him, which is just plain ridiculous to watch at times.
Gonna be honest, there should be a slot just for ALL the dialogue. I absolutely hated the cutscenes. They felt padded, stiff, and slow, with stilted line deliveries and literally nothing interesting happening. Most of them are just people staring at each other, talking for protracted lengths of time about things the player really has no reason to care about.
The gameplay is a big step up from previous games, in my opinion, but the story was such a nosedive in quality that I legitimately just stopped watching the cutscens and would skip each one. Compare the scenes in this game to the scenes between missions in Dynasty Warriors 8 and there's just no comparison.
well Origins is better than 9, some of the droll on for sure, but I enjoyed most of em, besides tghe silent protag and no effect from responses. But the camera cuts made it feel better and the movements of the character were much more natural.
12:15 Diao Chan flirting with the main character to get him to do what she wants makes a whole lot of sense compared to the male characters flirting with the main character. I don’t understand why they made all of the dudes gay.
lol they gave us fan service i guess lol
Completely agree with #3. It's driving me crazy that every female wants you. Even a lot of the guys sound like they are trying to get into your pants. The writing is so bad, hopefully with the success of this game they put more effort into the dub and writing of the next one
Hot take: Bailuan is the Main Antagonist of DW Origins. Do you know how much *pain* I have to endure while beating this guy for my Hypotheticals in Hero Difficulty???
16:51 spoken like a true DW fan bro the sun and Lu Bu names was just making me shake my head and be like they didnt learn from DW9
It was roughjh
It's not just the women, the men also drool over Ziluan but having characters flirt with him is okay, what's bad is that we can't make them stop or progress the flirting to an actual romance. Which goes back to the not-really developed bond system.
Yeah they could've developed it more
Honestly I feel like with the playable characters I found myself only playing one character based on aesthetics alone
A lot of the mispronunciation bits I think are solely in the English dubs. The Japanese dubs (My PS5 version only has Japanese or English as possibilities) pronounce him Kong Rong, where the Anglicized version pronounces it Kong Wrong. All of the Sun family gets pronounced right I believe too.
Well that's nice.. lol English getting the boot again
I agree and disagree with some takes here.
Bio's entire thing with is that he wants the death of the Han. You really only win him over with their true ending in my opinion. He even starts debating if Liu Bei is the true enemy because hes doing so well. His support more or less is based in the fact he actually wants to sow chaos.
On Diochan, the game pretty explicitly states she only persues Lu Bu to turn him against Dong Zhou, she is an assasin afterall. And more than any other character she is the most explicit romantic character with your MC.
some interesting points, nothing wrong w that!
1. No Cao Ren (WTF, Cao Ren has crucial moment at Cao Cao Journey, (Eight Gate Formation and Chi Bi)
2. No cinematic cutscene Xiahou Dun Eye and Zhang Fei at Chang Ban
3. No Sign of Diao Chan at Battle of Xia Pi
Cao Rens one of my favourites and not seeing him at all really confused me… Could have atleast been background characters.
Haven’t got to the 2nd part yet but I noticed a few missing pivotal events.
Yeah the no eye thing was huge! Should've said it with Ling Cao's death
@@TheNightowlGaming ah yes, Ling Cao death does'nt has cinematic cutscene at every DW
What so he can show up, take two major Ls and not do shit? Cao Ren's big moments generally all happen after Chi Bi.
@@Yunglex313 bro, you forget xinye
Personally, on top of all that you mentioned, I believe the greatest gripe i have with the game is that it doesn't actually stop at the formation of the 3 kingdoms. There is still Liu Bei's campaign for Chengdu that occurs. If there were to be a reasonable end to the story, I would say the Battle of Fan Castle would be a better stopping point. Guan Yu's death was the pivotal turning point where the three kingdoms were both formed and the old guard that made them start to die out (either through age or falling during a battle)
for sure, I guess Chibi is a good end if theyre trying to do a trilogy, next would be end of chibi to wuzhang and then wuzhang to chengdu (263)
2 and 3 ended at Chi Bi so this being origins in guessing they follow that formula which I actually like. Though instead of a new game hopefully it's dlc.
@ dw2 & 3? they ended at wuzhang traditionally
I think this is great starting point to leap the series forward , the open world aspect was done nice so you can see the geography and get a feel for the land the combat was much improved the tactics and sheer amount of things on screen were great as well. Hopefully they can used this and delivery the same thing just with all the playable characters we love I was sad that we could only limited play as so me hero's after a gauge is filled up but if they take this and give us the next installment with all our heros my faith will be restored
I agree, a fully fledged DW game with thud gameplay would be sick
10) You can replay battles specifically, but if you want to progress the story differently it makes sense.
9) I can agree with shallow river slowness
8) With as much as they've expanded the story I am surprised to see a complaint so granular.
7) Not everything is going to be a fan service for the returning player, I'm sure the devs understand that we're familiar. This is more for new players.
6) All fate changing cutscenes are like this, again secrets for new players, not returning players.
6a) How wide of a story line do you want? There are sacrifices to be made, we've got a deep story, not a wide story.
5) I'd prefer Ziluan to be used more, but how did you suppose the voice actors guess at every thing you could've named your character. They certainly could have added some voice acting to the protagonist though.
4) Another fan service complaint. The story has always been an interpretation and the weapons on the prior games was always meant to expand the width of the games. There are limited weapons, which allows for better focus on the mechanics of each weapon (other than 6 attacks + charge) and key characters have weapons that make sense.
3) This point, I 100% agree on. "I'll remember goin on a walk with you forever". Why? Lol! No boundaries either, male/female, they were all coming on to you.
2) There is a meta-narrative that exists, and as much as your character is the protagonist in that narrative, Biluan is the antagonist in the meta-narrative. That simple.
1) This is an oddball complaint. Do you have the official pronunciations? I'm certain the script writers have enough research to dictate how things should be said. And it's consistent enough to not notice unless you're looking at it under a microscope. Top complaint, really?
well arent we a bucket full of sunshine
10) small complaint, but like I said its nbd just needed something added
8) why did people like Gan Ning-Ling TOng duo, it was cuase of their origin, they dont have that here, also that was just one example among others
7) for sure, but its like watching a movie, just cause we havent seen the movie doesnt mean we cant call out bad writing..
6) the main issue is continuity, they coudl've had a different death scene, or have him say nothing and splat, 6a) what makes a story great is depth tho
5) VAs couldve had the lines spoken and recorded then coded to speak when prompted, easy or have AI do it after sampling their voice. very easy
4) cloned weapons are a big stink, no matter what, we started with consoles that had less than a GB of storage and a hairs width of memory but had over 20 different weapons, not that I dont understand but it still suck to see
2) i get that, a neutral stance is still a better choice for the overall perspective of disliking Shu cause they're liked in game. I get it its from the novel perspective but its hard to keep defending Shu when the new guy is pro shu anti everyone else.. also Shu is the main one to push the Han restoration. and bailuan hates the Han.. ?
1) I dont have the official pronunciations, but it doesnt take that to knwo these are crazy bad. The inconsistency of the characters pronunciation is terrible.. at least back in the day they were wrong but consistent. the pronunciation for the Dub will never be perfect but it can be better than this
Also, the vid doesnt reflect my feelings on DW. my WHOLE channel is ONLY DW, you think someone who truly dislikes it would consistently makes vids on it for years? No, im just a guy who looks at and analyzes it all. DW is everything to me & a video on some things about the new games flaws isnt an accurate reflection on how I feel about the franchise. Welcome to the channel.
This video was excellently made. Why they thought it was cool to put in a Persona mechanic of the females flirting with the main character in a Dynasty Warriors game is beyond baffling to me. And what madness is this about Lu Bu striking DaioChan!? Inexcusably stupid move, that is.
Yeah some questionable moves, appreciate the kind words!
@TheNightowlGaming The mispronunciations I had thought that Koei-Tecmo had fixed by DW5. And, historically, it was well known that several of those ladies would beat down a man for mouthing off if he had said some of those weird lines.
The females hitting on the MC is alright but everything else is just horrible and bad
@princesslightning5447 And yet, if it was the other way around, then it is an issue. As for the weapon changes, that was definitely weird from I saw.
@@truthfulgaming996 i wouldn’t have a problem with it it’s just I just don’t like how they did the combo system n story mode it’s too short for my liking
The worst thing is Liu Bei and Cao Cao'd mustache is missing. Cao cao looks like Lu Bu without one
the best cao cao is in three kingdoms 2010
Hell ya... I literally mistook cao cao as young lu bu. Was liek why the fawk did I see double LOL
I just hated how, with the exception of Cao Cao, the hypothetical scenarios change practically nothing. 2 additional minutes of cutscenes, rest is identical. Especially Sun. You save a character in chapter 3 and then he pretends to be dead for the rest of the story anyway.
Ya aint wrong.
5:01 Huang Gai spent a crap ton of time trying to get to Sun Jian, and the dialogue before the cutscene is pretty clear that Huang Gai is just about to reach Sun Jian when the cutscene plays. I think it is pretty clear that Sun Jian is turning to see Huang Gai in both cutscenes. I'm not sure why they decided to frame the scene that way, but that doesn't mean it's all that confusing.
If it was Huang Gai, then the saving cutscene makes no sense, it should've been Huang Gai there not our character, I could've worded it better but the continuity makes no sense imo
I hate that the main character talks on the battlefield, "I killed an officer" or " I've captured the enemy base" but doesn't talk through the rest of the game in cutseans or anything, you paid a voice actor to just talk on the battlefield, such a shame and a waste of talent.
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agree with al the flaws, especially the silent protagonist, like why? he says something in battle but silent af in the cs. Also, the weird bromance, like bro most of the heroes have a wife, why and how would they took a romance liking to the MC? I understand if it was kind of like you're a "good friend" kind of thing, but its delve into the unspoken territory, its just weird and out of character for the male NPCs....
100% agreed very weird lol
I don't mind the cloned weapons. We only need a bit more. (Dual Swords, Sword/Spear and Shield,) And more battle arts. Also I don't mind DiaoChan being a flirt with the PC. That's her thing, manipulation through seduction.
More weapons would've been cool
Great points.
I’m fine with the if it’s a experimental spin off but there’s so many things to improve and add.
It’s got some solid gameplay/leveling I’d like brought to the new games but a lot needs to be added/re-added or fixed up.
For sure, it's a great start just a bit incomplete
Diao Chan is not really Lu Bu's girl... She used him as a means to an end.
Yeah but there's s romantic side there, at least in the previous games
@TheNightowlGaming some of the games, that is accurate, but that is romanticized for the games. From what I remember from the book, it was definitely merely for manipulation. Historically, Diaochan is a mysterious individual on what actually happened
Yeah, I’m just not feeling this game. It’s a big departure from DW.
The appeal of the mainline games is playing through the stories of the kingdoms using the great heroes of the age, while the appeal of spinoffs like empires is making my own character and forging my own path. This game has neither. You’re stuck playing some rando… they let you name him, but much like the dialogue options, it’s the illusion of choice. They just give him a different name anyway.
The dialogue options are basically 2-3 versions of the same response… there is rarely if ever any real meaningful reason to pick one dialogue option over another…
The art direction trying to be dark and gritty like dark souls, while simultaneously turning all the characters into twink femboys is also jarring. They even tried to make Dong Zhuo handsome… like wth.
Idk, really hate to be a nay sayer since I bought the special edition, but I really do not enjoy this game and don’t see how other DW fans are gushing over it. Oh well.
Definitely a different feel and a risk with how they implemented things, with some added intricacies they could've made it work though
I agree. A simple character creation, a couple more branching paths, and even just 3-4 more weapons, and I think it would be more acceptable.
I’m a fan since DW2 and have played every game since. So I don’t rag on this game with any amount of joy.
I feel the same way. I was so stoked for this game to come out and was over it really quickly. I didn't even finish all the story lines
There's no excuse for a game in 2025 to have incorrect pronunciations for the names. I wish they gave you a list of names you could choose that the characters would actually say so dialogue is so janky.
agreed
Lack of weapons and playable characters is what I dislike the most
For sure
That's why I call 8 the goat, more move sets than characters, hypotheticals, traditional combat system, better voice acting, yellow turbans to fall of shu
Amen!!
The weird bond thing is strange fr. For Yue Ying she like has massive crush on the OC then later on announce she's Zhuge Liang wife and not elaborate further, then the OC has a line say "yea that make sense" 😂
Lol so crazy
I mean with Jia Xu worrying about a fire attack...you're fighting Wu, who at this point are pretty well known for that. Plus it's likely what he would do if he were on the other side and saw a large WOODEN wall approaching him. Checks out in my book at least😅
Yeah its just the delivery also I don't think at that point before chibi they were known for fire attacks but after definitely
@@TheNightowlGaming fair enough, and yea forgot that was the pre Chibi cutscene XD
That first Lu Bu mission tho, Cao Cao kept refusing to come even after all the enemy officers where gone and kept getting destroyed by Lu Bu. Mad me mad but i did complete it. But is one of the worst ones. I tried fighting Lu Bu which went decent, but few of his attacks are easy to oneshot me. And Cao Cao will stay at me, eat Lu Bu his hits and die, or run off and die fast so that also did not work
Also some of the missions where you have to keep multiple commanders alive, while they all really suck, and keep dying fast while also being far apart from each other
Koei wants this guy to be the smash rep
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One thing that I wish they did. The game spans twenty or twenty five years and there isn't an age progression.
I have personally always been a Shu fanboy, but actually during act 2 of origins ive really enjoyed the Wei connections. I dont think theyve been painted as evil yet for me.
MC just rizzed everyone it was kind of hilarious, IMO 🤣
Dude got that mouthpiece without saying a word lol
Maybe it's just me and a couple of my friends but a good chunk of these issues I can understand why they are a problem but then there are a few that I'm thinking I don't know. Tiger dad's death, while it may sound a bit underwhelming, I did hear from a friend that it did happen in the book so it is not that farfetched, although the whole him being alive afterwards is very odd. Then there's the whole cloned weapons situation where aside from 1 person complaining that their favorite character did not have the claws again, I didn't really see that as a problem especially since we're stuck playing as our character throughout 99% of the game. That I would agree with you being a problem if and only if we played as the characters in other modes which there isn't and we only play as them in the story for a very short amount of time, since they are supposed to be more powerful than we are and speaking of the avatar, as someone who's played through 3 houses, I'm more then accustomed to characters not really calling our character by a name but I could argue that they could have at least given us like a title or something that all the voice actors could say especially since there is no customizable stuff for your character which is the bigger problem. The whole female characters crushing or flirting with you is also not a problem, at least as far as I know because if the Empires games could do that despite these women canonically having love interests then why not at least ONE game in the series and I would say that this is still better then how most of the girls are treated in 6, 7, 8 and 9 where they almost exclusively just focused on their husbands and that is it with nothing to advance them in character development and lastly while I can see that the name mispronouncing is a problem, I still say that it is never as bad as Cao Cao being called Cow Cow from several years ago or that in 9, the VA quality SOMEHOW got worse after 8 despite having a new VA director and English cast. Again I do see your complaints although I do still think that Origins will just be a test bed for mechanics going foward for 10 and I highly doubt we will even see the Nameless wanderer again unless KT pulls a Fire Emblem and brings him back for a crossover game lol. Great job on the video!
appreciate the respect! yeah I agree mostly, most of the issues aren't that big of a deal nor do I find huge issues with em, but if i had to make a list well this is what it woudl be lol
The romance aspect really was puzzling. Having LuBu strike Diaochan was weird to see and they didn’t have an ounce of romantic undertone at all either.
not gonna spoil too much, but i didnt like how they handled alot of it..
It’s pretty weird that Lu Bu would strike Diaochan, considering the fact that whenever players beat up Diaochan in previous Dynasty Warriors games, Lu Bu goes bonkers and he would hunt down the players and pummel them down big time.
i mean he didn't know her at the time he strike her ..but yea i didn't like it either
Ugh, this is upsetting. They've had a connection throughout the game's and this is what they go with as a change?
Not going to lie bro, i notice that most of the thing you peeved about are story writing and story elements more than mechanics, although i admit the weapon swapping feels so bad, like DW8 had the best weapon type distribution and should have stuck, like if it doesnt make sense for Dong Zhuo to throw bombs, give him his own sword moveset with the sword of Xiang Yu.
And yeah i so agree with the weird romance thing.
Let me tell you about that
That would have worked or made sense or actually goes through if this is an Empires title and not a linear story title
The whole OC into the main timeline as a set story pattern feels so off
While we have the Empires counterpart that was LITERALLY MADE to accomondate OCs in the DW franchise.
So yeah even though Origins did so well with the new combat system, everything else, like story, feels so off with an OC character taking the reign and we are not even allowed to customize him or even an alternative female version.
I agree with every peeve you have and i think that they need to make an Empires version that would make Ziluan making sense and fully customizable rather this... linear story pathing practice.
Yeah can't complain about the gameplay at all it was amazing
I do believe that everyone in the game wants a piece of the MC not just the female characters 😂
Regards to your point 2 and point 1, in chinese history and the 3 kingdoms novel, cao cao is a dictator or others words king of bandits who also have no moral rights in his actions. That is why he is always portrayed as the evil. Liu bei being the good guy as he is the benevolent and generous guy who although portrayed as someone who use kindness to win people hearts. Pronunciation is probably due to them being outsourced translated by people who have no chinese background
yeah pronunc needs some work and yeah just made a full fledged vid on how I feel about #2 lol
Could I get some help on the successful charge tactic? I swear I cannot figure it out. I found out the volley tactic. But no matter where I do the charge, it doesn’t count as a successful one.
The first charge tactic didn't grant you succesful condition, but the second one, the mounted charge did, but the cooldown is crazy long
Excuse me, but as a Chinese historian, I can tell you that The Romancing of The Three Kingdoms is at least 50% Italian American. I have it on good authority, La Cosa Nostra started when LuBu (pronounced Louy Bouy) tries to take over Cao Cao's (Ciao Ciao's) protection racket. ;)
Addendum- I see what I did and will go stand in the corner.
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In fact, the case with Diaochan is something new in her character. The fact that she is "Lu Bu's Woman" varies from part to part. They were a full-fledged couple only in DW 6. In DW 9, she generally makes it clear that there are no special feelings between them. As in DW 8, in my opinion. In both games, her place was taken by Lu Lingqi (I still can't come to terms with the fact that she is not in Origins). Therefore, a romantic relationship with Diaochan, in my opinion, is a rather interesting experiment.
As well as with Shanxiang. Because her inexplicable love for Liu Bei has already become boring for so many games.
But with Yueying and Zhenji, this really doesn't work... Because we know whose women they are.
yeah but Diaochan really is Lu Bu's woman, he even asked about her in Origins after he joins Liu Bie, its just weird imo
@@TheNightowlGaming This does not mean that we can consider Diaochan "HIS" woman. Regarding the Origins. We do not know what events took place in Chang'an, and how she was able to persuade him to her side. In my opinion, the situation here is identical to DW 9.
In fact, in my opinion, this is one of the serious problems of the game that should be mentioned more often. Focusing on new players, they made the story and narrative more compressed and short. Returning to the events in Chang'an, they essentially do not exist ... The coalition is essentially still only five people. Ma Teng, Gongsun Jian, and the rest are still faceless NPCs. Although taking the time period before Chibi, it could have been worked out in more detail.
It's like they saw the fail of DW9 and instead of fixing the glaring problem that fans highlights like clone weapon, VA, and more, they instead focus on how to "modernized" the musou as a genre rather than "Dinasty Warrior" as a series
Putting a wanderer MC on a story that already had a bunch of renowned heroes with their own fans were such a fatal step. This isn't fantasy JRPG like Final Fantasy were the "destined one" suddenly change the course of history with their "rogue" action. Leave that for spin-off or other series. DW fans wanted to mow the battlefield with their favourites RoTK heroes, not some "pssh nothing personnel kid" OC. Once again it might work but not as main DW series.
I mean I think it worked lots of positive reviews all over I just hope now they focus on the other good stuff
Congrats. This is a spin off...
My main pet peeve was KT leaving out characters such as Cao Pi, Cao Ren, Lianshi and Guan Ping. I get not having every character but those four have some importance of the story Pre-Chibi and it bothers me that they are not involved
Lu lingqi and man chong too yup!
@TheNightowlGaming Hell you could possibly make a case for the Qiaos and Zhu Ran too given he's Sun Quan's childhood friend and classmate
If I can give one credit to the limited weapons: none of them are bad. Even the worst of them is still High C tier in another game. I never rocked up to a battle that would favor a certain weapon and groaned, unlike some levels in 8 and 7 (looking at you Shu)
For sure, all the weapons were implemented well!
Gonna be real, The voice acting in general is a snorefest it's always so slow and, in a way, monotone or just boring in general. I started skipping the scenes with the bonds. I was LITTERALLY falling asleep at my desk playing anything but the battles and I actively find myself not wanting to play the game when I do have free time which fucking blows because I love the gameplay bu there is way more story cutscenes than actual large scale battles.
yeah once you get through all the stories you can replay em
The "flirting" aspect of the story really threw me off. It's so unnecessary, while at the same time really funny especially when you know how the female characters are going to end up with.
Lol for sure
Still going through Origins myself, but as far as the cloned weapons go I'm not too surprised. DW10 was cancelled I think because they didn't want to throw it out at the end of a console lifespan or something - dunno if that's true, just a random comment I saw and am going with - but because it WAS cancelled, they made Origins with the leftovers and therefore some 'ehhhh' things like the Cloned Weapons made its way in to cut down on development time and animations cost (or at least again, I assume.)
Think my personal #1 gripe with Origins though is the whole Battle Arts and Bravery system. Not a fan of it at all. I understand what KT was going for in the new "officer duel" focus style of gameplay, but Battle Arts and Bravery is just a waste of time, and a much smaller meter you have to build as you kill soldiers whilst dueling officers. Use move, counter for move goes +1, keep using move until maxed, than unequip it and never put it back on again until everything else is maxed. Having a TON of filler Arts too that are unlockable through the skill tree such as the Arrow ones just adds to the frustration and pointlessness of the system.
Mispronunciation has been REALLY bad, but overall the English VAs have that 90s-2000s anime dub quality that just scream they pulled in a few guys to read lines 2-3 times to time the cadence to an auto-advancing line, and that collect that paycheck. Little to no emotion at all in cutscenes; at least in battle some characters are a bit expressive.
Here's to hoping that if/when DW10 is made, that the Battle Arts and Bravery are scrapped, competent English VA work is hired/contracted, and no single player self-insert character; we need our vast roster of playable officers and unique weapons for them. :)
i do hope the unique playable officers return, I didnt mind the BA's and bravery system it was something new and refreshing to the old system, VA needs work yeah
@@TheNightowlGaming I'll semi-revise my main complaint, now that I've had a bit more time to think about it. I now think that Battle Arts and Bravery are fine - but the "Mastery" of them can please not come back if its iterated upon.
My biggest gripe is simply the characters from the time period that were missing, even if they werent substancial persay.
Cao Ren and the Eight Gates Formation. Cao Pi's first major battle at Chi Bi... how you gonna have Zhen Ji but not her husband??? Ma Tengs involvement in the Coalition against Dong Zhou. The Qiao Sisters? What realm did they vanish to. They have always been at Chi Bi Stuff like that. Those are just a few examples.
But still, missing out on those moments does take away from the flow just a bit. I get that some cuts had to be made, but if they have any intention of going forward with the series using this as a soft reboot/premise, lacking them is a bit disheartening. Especially since we all know they will make an appearence suddenly in a future project.
heavily agree, some cool characters were missing