The Single Most EFFICIENT Build in ALL of Monster Hunter and YOU can Master it Easily!
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As an insect Glaive main, I’m glad someone is having fun with powder vortext. Not a build I use a lot, just cause it’s not my play style, but gathering up essence and nuking the monsters on occasion is always a fun time. Like we literally have a wizard costume armor set and staff, does capcom really think I’m not gonna practice casting nukes on monsters on occasion
As a insect glave user in 4u and a play-threw in gu and rise I love seeing the insect glave being in a broken builds video
Absolutely phenomenal video! Can't wait to hear if anyone else tries out this build. It is one of my absolute favorite builds I've ever made. And before supercharged kinsect and amatsu glaive, yeah it kinda just kept up with my other builds in terms of DPS, but HOO BOY! Once those came out, this build just kind of took off like a valstrax!
Just thought I'd clear a couple things up for people wanting to make the build for themselves. To my knowledge, your kinsect doesn't scale off of raw attack but off of the kinsect level of your glaive. A lv 14 or 15 kinsect level glaive should make Bilbobrix the best he can be. More attack WILL make any powder mantle procs (which if you have powder mantle 3, only takes 17 hits which Bilbobrix DOES count towards) as well as any incidental melee hits from things like aerial sting or aerial glide (the silkbind move) used to acquire your essences both do more damage. Working those moves into your essence gathering roster could be a good way for a melee loving IG user to eke slightly more dmg out of the weapon itself. Tho I find that with practice, the fastest way for me to gather essences is the old fashioned way. RT + X -> RT + A spam. On that note, I like evade extender 3 on this build, because being able to single roll from the monster's face all the way to it's tail to get red then orange essence can make all the difference between getting your triple buff (i.e. getting your next AKA out this opening.) EE3 also allows IG to do something no other weapon can do. Vault straight up, then straight away from or to the side of most attacks and usually be okay, and I love that.
Also, Bilbobrix is a severing kinsect, which means that his AKAs can cut tails. So have fun with that XD And if casting "Fireball" in a public lobby isn't working out, you can always switch to the other powder vortex kinsect, the blunt paralysis powder vortex one. On high level afflicteds, I still usually get 4 stuns and 3-4 paralysis procs, and while my personal DPS drops from somewhere in the 100-150 range (with Bilbobrix) down to the 50-75 range, you should see the crazy DPS numbers I've seen other people get when I go from casting "Fireball" to "Hold Monster". One guy in a random lobby with a charge blade almost cleared 300 DPS cuz of my shenanigans! XD It was so close, like 296 or something. Never seen a DPS number that high in an actual hunt before or since!
Awesome tips! After making the video, I decided to learn how to play IG a bit, and yeah, there are some really nice combos you can use for getting extracts ridiculously quickly. Thinking about a followup video with advanced playstyle tips [he said for the twentieth time].
Sounds like MH4U insect glaive when mounting was OP. I wasn't very good at solo IG but good enough for the team support role of stunning monsters so others could do the big damages. Its hard to switch the brain from the selfish desire to do the most individual damage to the supportive desire to enable the most group damage but it makes for some spectacularly fast hunts when at least one person plays the support role. I miss the old days of SNS or quicksheathe flashbombing being a crucial team position haha
Thanks for all your hard work too!
You should make a UA-cam video showcasing your builds
It's true that you get a decent damage output with low skill investment, but I'd say the effectiveness of this playstyle is highly match-up dependant and is quite situational overall.
For one, the target monster needs to be large enough for the Awakened Kinsect Attack to consistently hit at least 3-4 times, most bird wyverns and fanged beasts are probably a no-go because of this. Then monsters that move around a lot would be a hassle to hit by the vortex, so things like Nargas, Mizus and Valstrax are also out. Since the build deals mostly fixed damage it's going to be most effective against monsters with generally bad hitzones, so things like Barroth, Basarios, Jyuratodus, Lunagaron, Gore, Astalos, Espinas and the metal raths are likely its best pairings. For monsters with easily exploitable weakspots you will probably get faster clears with a more conventional crit/element set and assist kinsects. Lastly, this set-up is almost unusable in multiplayer and follower hunts, since most of the powder clouds would get detonated by teammates before you have a chance to use the vortex attack.
So yeah, it's a fun and unique playstyle but also situational. It has been a thing since the demo, but it keeps being niche for good reasons.
I’m confused is he really saying that this build competes with top dps builds?
I've used it against all monster sizes. It works really well! AKA hits cleanly!
I will say, this is my multi-player support build. My wide range free meal build and in solos I play with followers constantly. You just get used to positioning the dust clouds in places that people aren't at, and if you're fast, you can pop your own dust before they become available for anyone else to pop. (There's a small window after AKA where your dust can't be popped.) Also while using powder vortex, any dust bilbobrix has grabbed can't be popped by any other source, which makes it a ton easier than you would think to pop your own dust clouds.
I would definitely agree that this build trivializes fighting enemies with poor hitzones, just like full shelling gunlance does. (I play that too.) But I've used this build on everything from great izuchi to primordial malzeno, and it really does seem like a gimmick that shouldn't work. I made it originally as a joke. I just wanted to make an AKA build and discovered the powder kinsect interaction.
And before amatsu and the rampage deco, it only kind of kept up with my other builds in dps. After that tho, I ended up discovering it was literally doubling my other builds in dps. 75 - > 150. It may not be speed run levels of dps, I have no idea what that is. But I clear AR240 investigations in sub 10 minutes. And that's good enough for me.
I am currently doing a kinsect only run through iceborne. It brings me so much joy to see this lil guy being meta in both 5th gen games
Kinsect was an absolute unit in 4th gen too (or at least in generations ultimate anyway). Most people just couldn't be bothered to learn how to get the most out of it.
@@squiddler7731 It was one of the best weapons in 4U too (along side charge blade) great damage and since mounting was new and unbalanced the flying bug stick was able to abuse that too.
@@ManMan-zk8vz Well yeah, but we're talking specifically about the kinsect. In 4U I don't think anyone did anything interesting with it cause of how tedious it was to upgrade, instead to my knowledge everyone just went for the extract extender kinsect and called it a day. There was the charge-time down kinsect which I thought was really fun to use and felt powerful, but I have no idea if it was able to compete with how busted the main weapon was.
Just started learning insect glaive, I'm going to have to try this out. It seems awesome and it's really cool that there's another way to play insect glaive.
Why is it a meme build😅 this build seems like bazel carpet BOM for the hunter
Dope this reminds me of the Sunbreak Demo days when Powder Vortex was EVICERATING the super Malzeno.
See. This is why Rise is my favorite. So many different ways to play. And you keep discovering stuff I've never heard of!
This is so good for anomaly (even special investigations). Of course the only thing is either fellow hunters, followers or even pets triggering the explosion early. At least if they do they still get heals though
I main Kinsect only build in Iceborne so the moment Sunbreak out, I made this exact build too (also status type if I'm playing with someone)
i've been using this build and i'm loving it, thanks to you and Zekarius i discovered a new playstyle that i love.
Oh sweet, yeah when I discovered this build naturally in the game, I just called it "The Black Mage Build" because it reminded me of black mages in final fantasy casting Fire IV... Here I am nearly a year later rediscovering that there was a whole community running the same thing!! That's wild! My build was also really comfortable, I made sure to fit wide range and mushroomancer in there for my MH bros. I made so many memes about my friends "popping" my clouds before I was ready to detonate... 😂 Thanks for the memories and the optimizations, makes me wanna jump back in for a hunt or two again.
I've been out of Rise for a while but I always deeply respected your videos, and I enjoyed this one too.
This mechanic is pretty funny, but I miss the Mount spamming from the good ol days
This is just DEMO insect glaive but in the main game! XD Don't play Sunbreak, but I love it lol.
I think I found the remedy to my Lance addiction.
I would totally use this if I liked the playstyle enough. I play a hybrid with bilbobrix where I play an agressive in-the-face playstyle just like with assist kinsects, but I just use the powder explosions in-between attacks. I can position the kinsect on the tail while I generate clouds on the face and when the monster rises I explode them all for roughly 1.5-2k dmg. I enjoy aerial IG too much and can't be bothered with constantly getting back extracts.
I made a similar build to the one in the video that I use when I feel like dunking on an annoying monster. It makes Jyurudatus and the rock monster actually fun to fight!!!
The amount this trimmed down my hunt time is mind boggling.
Oh... so play IG how I normally play it. I usually have high evade and bladescale hone so that and Kinsect recall (for healing and extra kinsect stamina) on my other scroll so I don't need to ever sheath my weapon when the monster is nearby. Oh and Redirection 2 to aid with the wirebug regeneration.
Bladescale with ground glaive and bug on auto making powders for vortex feels sooooo good.
I might have to try this build out after I finish making a blunt insect glaive build
I love this playstyle! My only problem is in multi-player everyone always bursting my powder clouds
I'm learning to work around them. Been testing it out with multiplayer and I'm getting better at it!
@iixxion Thank you for the build, still missing wind mantle and kushala blessing, but have the IG rampage deco. I can pull damage at my highest 2k, if RNG works and my wire bugs are active. Small bursts 500-700 isn’t bad until they are active again, I can’t wait to get everything and set up a similar build my first mh game and I hope powder vortex returns in wilds. Take care 🎉
this... it hits so hard man, it is truly a powerful yet easy to learn build
I assumed this strategy was terrible out of hand, but this video convinced me to give it a shot. Took this setup to the Anomaly Research: Lunagaron and gave it a spin since Lunagaron has lots of predictable openings to land the Awakened Kinsect attack and generally has poor hitzones so the fixed damage that this setup does should excel.
Clear time of 10:35. Two anomaly novas.
Attempted the same quest again with switch axe to get another data point to compare to.
Clear time of 4:36. Zero anomaly novas.
Edit: I did another run, this time with Insect Glaive since it made more sense to have another data point that didn't involve comparing across weapon classes.
Clear time of 5:17. Zero anomaly novas.
I feel the results speak for themselves. While an argument could be made that the reason the first run was so slow was because of my own inexperience with the setup, powder vortex spam has both a low skill floor and a low skill ceiling. More experience with the playstyle will not equate to more than twofold difference in damage output.
While as you said its not the quickest but like the title of the vid said its easy to learn and efficient. In the end of the day the vid is just showing a new way of playing a game not a meta build to nuke all. In the end of the day tho its about having fun and all that and when I try rise again I will have fun with the powder vortex.
Man for the vast majority of players, a 10 minute Lunagaron hunt is amazing. Most players will never see a single sub-5 clear from start to finish, unless they're going back to a lower difficulty tier and bullying things.
This is defintly a very intersting build, and I am definitely gonna try it when I get the chance, but I don't buy the fact that its efficient. And I find the fact that you didn't show your, or anyone else's hunt times using this build to be highly suspicious
How do you get more efficient than only two armor skills? And what do you suspect is going on?
@iixxion So, by efficient you mean easy to build and achieve? In that case, you're definitely right. I mean this is an extremely low investment build, but I'm just not convinced of its practicality.
The only thing you've done is shown is a build and a playstyle for said build. However, you've done nothing to show that this is actually a practical way to play. The easiest way of showing that would be the show some hunting times, but you haven't done that for some reason.
@@zhangbill1194What seems impractical about it? Like I said in the video, If you can get your extracts quickly, this build trivializes every quest in the game. Are you good at getting your extracts?
@@zhangbill1194I have used this build for quite a long while before even finding this video, although I go for a poison foray build on top of it, the times are usually 10 or 15 minutes for solo anomaly hunts, up to level 200, while not spamming the powder vortex too much.
But that is with a very defensive build, max defense decos, dodge window and extender.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but the powder clouds get triggered by other players/followers before I can blow them up with the kinsect so the dps just goes down the drain. Seems like this build mostly just works solo without followers which isn't very comfy. I'm a shitter at IG anyways so it may just be me.
You will have to adjust where you throw your AKA based on where your teammates like to attack.
Shoutout bilbobrix all my homies love bilbobrix
Just had a small look-around as a non-IG user. Since only raw matters, wouldn't Garangolm's IG be a better suggestion since it has same raw but more slots and lvl 15 kinsect?
Amatsu gives 10% more damage because of its built-in bonus. Talk to Zekarius on the discord server and see if he tested that.
The powder clouds always end up popping up before i can get out of the second half of the animation and call out the kinsect.
Do NOT follow up your AKA with an attack. Just evade away and then call your powder vortex.
Fine, I’ll pick IG up
Oh I have a question though 8:05, if Raw Power is the main factor of the damage, wouldn't Garangolm's maneater be better? Since it has same 360 raw pwr, but it has 15 Kinsect Lv and more deco slots.
Love the idea. Can’t wait to try it out.
In sunbreak, the goal of most builds you can find on the internet is to clear a quest as fast as possible, because most builds are made for the endgame grind that is reaching anomaly lvl 300.
Just seeing no quest timer in your gameplay clips, no clear times when you actually show your audience a monster kill and no mention of your typical quest time completion tells me everything I need to know about the "efficiency" of the build.
I'm not denying the fun factor of the build and I'm not saying you can't do the entire game with it. But you have to show what actually matters when talking about efficiency in the context of Sunbreak, and you clearly did not.
Started to play again because i saw this build. Its so much fun
Love the videos dude. You really changed my views on several topics regarding this game.👍🏾👍🏾
Just stop tempting me to start playing the IG right now. I haven't quite finished the GS to 500 hunts yet.😅
it will be waiting for you when you're done.
Brother casually says just get wind mantle... bruh great vid
I do an immortal support mage build based around this playstyle and I even have the transmog being a mage look, but using the heal/poison dust powder vortex kinsect over Bilbobrix since getting Chameleos Blessing onto the set was super easy. Bit less up front damage, but once poison procs, it's on for as long as I keep the offensive up since it still builds up to the next proc while the current DoT is still ticking.
I was looking up powder builds about a month ago and nobody was making comfy builds that optimized the poder damage because they simply didn't know. But I wanted to be a mage so I persisted in playing a comfy powder only playstyle and it works. But now I can optimize it further, thanks
Gonna try this
nah, im gona go full on the wizard bild with the chameleos layered armor and weapon
cant wait to see your rant in two years when monster hunter wilds comes out 😅😅😅
I'll be ranting about Wilds in my next video!
How much do Bloodlust/Frenzied Bloodlust actually affect the gameplay? If I understand correctly, they are there only for wirebugs.
I notice it on occasion. I added them because frankly I was running out of things to put on the build.......i am RARELY without a wirebug ready to go. maybe once or twice per quest. and thats because i spammed wirebug evade a bit too much in that moment. So, no, not necessary at all. WM3 and WW3 aren't really necessary and as I improve my skilz I should be able to scale them back. but replace them with what? im sure this build will evolve over time.
@@iixxion That's what I thought. I always run WW3, and I have enough space for WM3. Does attack augment affect the damage (I believe you have it), and if not, which augment would you recommend?
Can you interrupt the AKA animation before the follow up? Like just launching the kinsect and then go for another move?
working on some advanced techniques to get some options there!
Bowling ball cannon strikes from 3 miles away
I'm a complete "noob" to the game but when you drop the powder, can you still attack? I'm thinking about attacking the monster to position the monster ONTO the powder.... Obviously I don't play, I'm just curious of the technique...
Yup just don't hit the powder!
Damn I want to see some gameplay vid of this playstyle
ua-cam.com/video/BAvNasG-oO8/v-deo.html
People who says Powder Vortex "awkward" or "lacking in damage" probably are YT speedrunners who memorized all monsters' attack pattern to consistently dodge efficiently while pulling True Charge Slash all the time without missing a weakspot.
Being able to dish thousands of true damage regardless of weakspot from a safe distance is actually a good DpS. People may argue that it's hard against agile enemies, like aren't every weapon hard to hit against them? LOL
well i have not played IG since MHW... its time to Farm Amatsu to craft his IG
You can use other IGs in the meantime, but yeah Amatsu will give you that extra boost from its silkbind boosting ability.
Show your quest timers
Show me the money!
Where's the timer on your UI?
It's at the end screen of my speedruns.
@@iixxion Ah alright, my bad. I got impatient. Sorry.
@@Introversion399for clarification, there are in-game settings that allow you to hide any part of the UI you want, so in this case he toggled off the timer UI.
Is this broken? I don't think we're getting any more patches to fix it.
Broken all the way to the bank!
How important is kinsect level for powder vortex?
Edit: results in comments
I did some tests. Level 14 and 15 get the biggest powder vortexes. The raw damage of the weapon has no impact on the powder vortex. Just kinsect level and kinsect supercharge
The only things that affect awakened kinsect attack are kinsect level, kinsect supercharge jewel and elemental damage if your kinsect is cutting. Raw and affinity do not matter. Amatsu weapon's 10% silkbind boost didn't affect it either. I got the same numbers using awakened kinsect attack with both amatsu and flaming espinas weapons, even the vault attack which I would assume isn't kinsect damage, despite them having a difference of 50 raw.
When switching between a blunt and cutting kinsects to test element I got a large damage difference on awakened kinsect attack. The highest element glaive I found was narwa with 61 electric. And the primordial malzeno glaive has 3 four slots for decorations. Both are better than amatsu glaive in my opinion.
Thanks for the research bro
Does sharpness matter for this build or could use use something like Maneater and pick up a 4/2/1 slot?. Both are 360 attack
sharpness doesn't matter. the amatsu glaive gives 10% damage boost to kinsect attacks. Aside from that, the only other stat that matters on your glaive is the attack power of the glaive itself.
@@iixxion ah crap yea you did mention the 10% boost slipped my mind, im putting the build together now. never played kinsect in my life, but your build peaked my interest! Thanks for the reply!
Enjoyed the video. One question: is there a link or something to zekarius' notes shown in the video?
may bit a tad bit late but in the discord theres a build section youll find all information there
Great video! I've been a lbg main but this is pulling towards the IG
im gonna send this to my newbi friend who loves glaive when he finishes the sunbreak story. i wonder how he will react.
This was the exact information I was looking for but I almost missed it because of your damn click baity title. I'm lucky my hands were occupied or I would have clicked away instantly
Dude, I am so sharing this to my IG main friend! 😅
What skill is that at 00:36?
whoa gonna have to try this out
well seems how i play with 3 others... this build doesnt work as planed i cant tell them to stop playing just so i can use the build. is there a way to get it so they dont blow it up?
i don't use the bug stick but thank you for your work.
Awesome video, I'm liking you channel a lot, but with this I don't feel like using Insect glaive anymore
love the roast at the end, very fun looking build you're making me want to play again...
I dare you to.
I'm an insect glaive main, but I will never do this... I much prefer an ultra fast kinsect to quickly proc red white then going melee and going airborne to dodge big moves. That said, I love that builds like this exist.
this is like 10% of the dps and 1000% of the thinking required for dual blades lol
Isn't everything tho?
"Because I love Monster Hunter. That's why"
Best reason ever, I love it too
Does artillery affect the powder vortex?
no
JE SUIS MONTE
build link please.
I like your approaches to builds and game philosophy but I feel like this is just clickbaiting, most efficient? Nah
When people talk about efficiency, they are referring to the build. This only requires two armor skills, and honestly, you could probably get away with only the Wind Mantle.
Hard agree with @t.hokage9748
It requires 2 skills, I'd consider that pretty damn efficient
Oh this contrarian channel again lol
Sounds a lot like I'm pretty much in line with the mainstream player base!
Yeah this was the same type of strat in MH4U too for massive monster farms, if you knew how to nectar farm the kinsects were technicaly able to infinite grow in attack and you just did ranged kinsect attacks with a cracked kinsect with infinite stamina.
eh this isn't for me. I'm of the mentality that if I don't vibe with a playstyle I don't use it and it's one of those cases even if I love playing IG (I love Lance a lot more though). Same reason I don't use the lance's skyward thrust even against optimal targets. I just don't like to look at it so I don't.
OK🙂
gg
wait... there is no amatsu on mh world 😮
Yeah that's because it's Rise, retard.
Wow.... I have so many thoughts now.... but first of all I'll say that this is a very cool strategy and it seems pretty genius to me even though I have never played Monster Hunter Rise before.
But wow... people expecting you to play PERFECTLY ALL THE TIME for their builds... that truly disgusts me. Like I can understand if they put it like "this is the potential that the build has", but then comparing ONLY the PERFECT scenario of what the VERY MAXIMUM of what their little builds can do as if it's always going to happen exactly how they want it, to a build that is consistently doing solid good damage EVERY TIME without even needing perfection in any way, and only needing speed and focus.... that just DISGUSTS ME! How arrogant and scummy can these stupid experts get?! You're not an expert at a game if you can't be REAL! I'm so angry at these so called "experts" for how they so extremely disregarded such a valid and strong playstyle like that without ANY good reason! What IDIOTS!
Thank you for standing up for this kind of playstyle and/or build/technique. We need more people like you in the world. We need people to show the facts, not delusional and arrogant "potential damage".
So this would be great, except it's only good entirely solo. No buddies, no companions, no fellow hunters. Anybody blows up your powder clouds, and your dps goes to shit.
This is why you don't let others discourage you when experimenting. Before this, it was just a meme. Now, it is hot meta, and the hypocrites who can't be bothered to use their brains are utilizing it.
this build doesn’t fucking work my guy
Honestly really great video, but man can you be a litte bit less condescending non stop? I like the video for the information but im cringing as i'm watching it
He's condescending some of the worst people in the MH community.
Eat shit, basically.
This video definitive proof that the dislikes bar needs to be brought back, that way, everyone who saw that title could give you another dislike.
You can click dislike. it's not gone. the current ratio right now on this video is 777 to 25.
Most efficient?
You're not even showing your hunting times.. Deliberately hiding the UI part of it.
I've seen GS hit over 30K, HBG that takes zero damage & other BS.
A lot of stuff is broken in MHRS. IG isn't the only one.
Hit those numbers with only two armor skills then tell me how efficient the builds are.
Pretty sure he is talking about being easy to abuse and not being the fastest.
"I'vE sEeN Gs HiT oVeR 30k"
Hate to break it to you but that was most certainly in a Rampage Quest!
@@titianarasputin I could outdo any insect Blaive build with just reload and recoil skills using HBG and lbg 💀
@@GS_CCCin that case that would just be shield HBG. There’s nothing more brain dead than that and would clear times way faster than this IG build
Man, I'm looking for MHW guides, not Rise.
Then why did you click, dumbfuck?
My only problem here is I really hate rise and I will never touch the bug stick.
Why even comment lol
Can y'all make a fun build for gun lance lol
I thought that's what bullet barrage was for???
The problem at the moment, is you either have to bullet barrage spam or you have to play a very technical shelling playstyle (wide charged shells or normal or long full burst) in order to be effective late game with gunlance.
I personally use wide GL with full tank (guard 5, guard up 3, emboldened 3) focus 3, artillery 3, sneak attack 3, stun resist 3, and heaven sent 2, and I run ground splitter and reverse blast dash for my silk binds. Both have hyper armor, so if you use them to body an attack, you don't lose heaven sent.
Also, charged shelling, erupting cannon, and guard reload. All put together, your shells do a significant amount of damage, you can always pivot into erupting cannon by holding back and hitting your shell button after a charged shelling attack, and you have three ways to protect yourself from losing heaven sent (which lv 2 refills your shells when you swap scrolls, not to mention the defense buff it gives.)