BMCC 6K Full Frame 8 Months Later... Still Worth it?
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If I'm still using my GH5S from 2018 to 2024 then trust me BM 6K is totally great. Cinematography isn't about switching gears every time, it's about learning the balance between the technical and the creative.
Excellent comment.
Amen
Hello Mr. OBP---Blackmagic Design just dropped the price of this camera, BMCC 6K, to $1,575. And it still includes the Resolve Studio Key.
just saw the price, i thought i was dreaming or something... wtf why did they drop the price so low ??🤔🤔
@@SidKillz-zf2duit’s not selling well
I just bought one for that reason
@@SidKillz-zf2du BMD does this from time to time. They offer steep discounts on gear for short periods, presumably to clear retail and warehouse space for new stock. The most famous discount was probably the OG Pocket Cinema Camera (50% off). The sale lasted a few days, then it was gone - the camera never retailed for that price again. The BMD website says the BMCC6k offer is limited. 🙂
I'm picking mine up soon. If it's like when they did the half price on the original BMPCC I'll make my money back in a couple years and I get to keep the studio code.
No open gate? Why? Almost everything I shoot uses OG even though I will crop to DCI or 16:9 afterwards. In my mind it’s about having reframing options. If the talent moves in an unexpected way you have room above and below to adjust in post. And sometimes you get into the edit and the shot that looked perfect on set, doesn’t feel right in post. Again, you can shift the framing in the vertical to fix for instance eye line issues that weren’t figured properly on the day. OG provides so much more flexibility for essentially zero cost. Highly recommended.
Well I was doing the OG and thinking the same with reframing post. But maybe it's just me but shooting OG makes me frame different, even down to the little things like they might be a light on a roof that's never guna to be in edit, yet av exposed with it in mind. I just find framing 16:9 for 16:9 works better.
I use it with the 16:9 markers / guides on the s5ii
@@OBP_I totally agree. Open gate always seems to motivate my framing, unless I have guidelines/framelines on; but even then it can be difficult to not lean on the extra open gate space.
Personally we think that the Blackmagic 6K Pro or any of the pocket cinema camera range is perfectly suited for run and gun style doc shooting, not outfitting with huge cages and other video production paraphernalia. This is not where it shines for these cameras. These cameras are very ergonomic for hand held shots (using a pro camera) and once they are outfitted with all of this "stuff' they loose this key feature of a camera which is fast to use while on the go. With the the 6K Pro you can shoot from the blazing sun of the Sahara to the night markets within (as but one example but not limited to -of course) any South Eastern Asian country without any problem and deliver 6K quality. They are simply not great at studio work and Box type cameras have always had the upper hand here. We use the 4K G2 for shooting wildlife and "scientific stuff" and by way of comparison (you can't LOL) talk about the pros of the 6K Pro Vs an example "box style" camera. Where these cameras shine is of course lowlight to no light LOL. We shoot in mostly low light
This channel is criminally underrated. I’ve been going back and forth with this camera and the S5 II, and I think I’m starting to lean BM. This would be my first ever camera, and I’d like it to graduate with me from personal narrative shooting, and more commercial like shooting in the future. Thanks so much for all your hard work that goes into making these videos. Obviously Subbed!
Thanks so much, both great cameras, there is no wrong choice. Let me know which one you end up grabbing.
Regarding the OG, it was the main reason i switched from the 6k pro to the 6k ff and from every shoot that i did since i got it last year (around 15 or so), just one of them was not at OG and just 3 of them were using anamorphic. Being able to reframe in post, or even better, being able to deliver ar OG 3:2 (or even 4:3) is such an awesome and different look because you get a lot of different feeling as well as characteristics from your lenses, especially if you are shooting with vintage glass.
I was tempted to get the pyxis as well which does solve the biggest problem that i have with the 6k ff which is powering it with the weipu cable, which i absolutely hate where this connection is. In the pyxis you will have a much cleaner and safer option for sure. But other than that, i think the side monitor is not as versatile as the one on the 6k ff as well as having only one sdi out is kinda of a bummer, if they used a sdi for the evf this would make more sense for my use.
I'll wait for a pyxis mk2 with better framerates and even internal nd, than i might switch my 6k for it !
If I could deliver in opengate, I'd deffo capture in open gate but that's such a small amount of project. I find exposing items such as lights on the roof/celling on a wide opener, and then You frame the roof out later in the post just don't make sense, when the lights will never be in the edited timeline. Also no matter how much I try I also frame for OG if my monitor shows OG, if it shows 16:9, I frame for 16:9.
what does OG means?
@@deadman8816 Open Gate
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with open gate i think its more like, a flexibility IF needed, and a preference of looks, i personally like the look of open gate. And with the Pyxis release i do think there are perks to both this and the pyxis.
The BMCC is affordable and easy to use for most people as it has a DSLR style body, and had a really familiar and simple layout.
The Pyxis is for more rigging, higher end productions that still want to save some bucks. It is made to fill the spot that an FX6 could fill, but at a cheaper price and with different options
Peace! The 6K Full Frame release was BMD’s attempt to get to market quickly with a full-frame sensor.
This was shared by a BMD Rep at NAB, which can be found online either by Cined or Newsshooter. I don't remember.
My assumption is BMD was developing the Pyxis when they released the 6K Full Frame. However, the Pyxis wasn't ready.
With this new usb c viewfinder idea we need them to drop an update for their video assist monitors to work over usb c.
As the S5II/X and the Blackmagic Cinema Camera (and the Pyxis) all use the same Sony sensor you can get a extremely similar image if you record RAW on the Lumix cameras with the Blackmagic Video Assist 12G. So yeah, you can get a extremely similar image in BRAW that takes almost no effort at all to match but with great AF, you do ofc lose a lot I/O and also form factor compared to the Pyxis for example though. Different tools for different jobs ofc but good to keep this in mind when deciding between these.
No, you will still get Panasonic colours with s5iix. Red also uses Sony sensors
@@RafalGendarz have you ever worked with RAW files?
@@LiamMarskog RAW is only container
Yes but S5II can't record raw internally, so if you don't use external, you're forced to use the ugly rendering of the S5II internal engine
@@RafalGendarz No, that is not att all how RAW video works. MOV, MP4 etc are containers and H.264, ProRes 4:2:2 etc are codecs. RAW is RAW sensor data that is later encoded into different type of RAW formats and as it's RAW sensor data you can change the color space and gamma from Panasonic V-Gamut and Panasonic V-Log into Blackmagic Design and Blackmagic Design Film inside the Camera RAW control in DaVinci Resolve Studio for example which would end you up in the same place more or less. Takes no time at all to match the two cameras :)
Here's a good video you can watch about RAW video to learn: ua-cam.com/video/pPA2-HBi_iY/v-deo.html
Regarding the Pyxis, we need to keep an eye out for how camera monitor makers respond to the USB-C connection. In theory you could buy a USB companion monitor from Amazon (tough to rig of course) and have a huge camera monitor for under $100.00 US. And even with higher fidelity panels and a rigable frame, the cost of camera monitors is going to come way down. Plus, you won’t need additional power no monitor batteries or power cables. I will probably get a pix for my kit, but honestly, I’m more curious about the next generation Ursas. Certainly, they will build a single screen variant with only CFExpress.
Yes! Finally someone says open gate is over-rated! About time!
Man that 6k price drop is very tempting.
Quality control issues withbthe full frame sensor have been a headache for a lot of people, wonder if this is part of the reason for the sale.
@@Lathrop_Media I was thinking there must be something or low sales. Inventory costs.
@@prostigeMarketingthey’re promoting the Pyxis that’s why
I still have the BMPCC 4k, and with all the downsides, I prefer the image quality form Black Magic way more than any in this price points really.
Form factor has been my biggest gripe with Blackmagic since the first Cinema camera. They never seem to get the Design 100% right. And with the PYXIS they are still not quite 100% there yet. It's a step in the right direction. Looking at the Komodo, ZCam and Lumix. They're so much smaller. It seems like BM sacrificed the box shape just to be able to put their touch screen on the side. The shape makes it so much harder to put on a gimbal. It's more like a slimmed down version of the Ursa mini in my opinion, than a boxed shaped 6k FF Cinema camera. I would rather have no screen to be honest. A 6k version of the Micro Studio camera. That's why I will wait for the PYXIS G2. That hopefully fixes a lot of my issues. They have proven now that they're actually trying to make a camera that addresses the publics feedback. I own a pocket 4k, Pocket 6k pro and an Ursa mini 4.6k.
Looking forward to the pyxis comparison 👌. Another great vid buddy 💪
You called it on the pushing down the price. Too good to pass up.
My Atlas Mercury 42mm would like a word about the “open gate bashing.” It’s definitely situational but I wouldn’t buy a camera without it in 2024.
This camera is $1500 right now. Especially in L-mount, I'm thinking about it for sure !
I am primarily an audio production guy, I do lots of recordings of recitals and concerts with the focus being on audio capture, those are often in recital halls with an illuminated yet still slightly dark stage with a dark hall or outside at night, I got a Canon r8 and have found that it is working well and I'm looking to add a second camera that I can put stationary in place while I do other shots with a the R8. So 2 questions if you or anyone is willing to answer. First, would those situations not be appropriate as you mentioned this camera is not very low light friendly? Also I shoot outdoors during sunset into night with the temperature getting as high as 95 degrees, will it overheat? The canon r8 suffers terribly from overheating unless I mount a fan to it. Great video I am definitely subscribing!
I'm adding the Pyxis to my 4K, mostly for vfx reasons. Originally, was going for the Broadcast G2, but kind of tired of dealing with crop factor and I've been shooting more handheld lately and carrying an Ursa just seems to be a bit much. 6K open gate for vfx shots is great since I can have more points for camera tracking instead of being limited to wide lenses. I'm sure there will be an updated camera with a faster sensor down the line, but the Pyxis is so hard to resist, at least for me.
Pyxsis crops in 4k brother. If it didnt it would've been an absolutely no brainer of a camera.
I think I would have bought pyxis right away without thinking if I only had the prores HQ recording option on Pyxis.
Considering the 6k ff is now the 2-3rd cheapest new cameras Blackmagic produces with this current sale it’s hard to see why anyone would want to pay nearly the price of an fx3 or r5c for essentially the same image. Pyxis seems kinda dead on arrival. You’re probably looking at the price of an fx3 or r5c once you rig it out and those cameras not only don’t need rigging but have ibis and af with usuable low light and don’t lock you into shooting braw.
If your footage is too green, you can adjust the tint in camera.
It's not a "new ff sensor"; it's a sensor from 2018.
Is 4tuh; 40?
i agree with open gate being overrated, been making client reels with the normal 6k resolution on my 6k g2 and just cropping. would it have been better with open gate? probably, but the difference wasn't big enough to where i would require a camera to have it
You need to compare it to the s1h. Because it's the same sensor. Not the S5
Never expected to see Kenton in your video's, keep up the good work,
Awesome! Do you know if it has internal dual recording for video without having to use a monitor?
Just BRAW and proxies at the same time internally.
Can you suggest the best L to PL mount adapter for this camera , I have tried few adapters but all of them has some play of wobbling issues when attach DZO Vespid type lens on it , still didn't find strudy adapter for it
shot full hd 60p whether croping or full sensor ?
Can you suggest some linear manual focusing lenses for BPCC 6Kff? thank you
Hey Mate!
Would you please a link to some of your footage from this camera in S35 mode, if you have it online? 🙏🙏
What jib and slider are you using? And do you recommend them?
It's a ProSum Tango. It's amazing
6k vs s1h which would you pick for short films?
6k for sure
@@bbrunorochawhy
Defo the 6K for a short films, because you'll have time and control of your set ups 🙌🏼 S1H for anything run and gun style shooting.
What if you compare the codex to something like a z8? They both can do raw eternal recording right?
Thanks for a great video. I’m looking at getting my first cinema camera. I like the 6k pro for the internal ND’s, double memory card slots and internal prores. That said the BMPCC6k FF is now on special so v tempting on price. If they were priced the same which of these two cameras would you go for at this point if you only had 1 camera and why? Thanks for your help.
6K full frame, better images and that should be the reason you buy a blackmagic camera.
Thanks for your response. Much appreciated!
Hi, I need to get some nighttime footage of a lake for an indie movie I’m currently editing, and I’m not entirely sure which high-end camera to rent. You mentioned that this camera has some issues in low light; would you recommend a different camera, like a Sony FX3, for filming a lake after sundown? Thank you :)
Yes, 100%. In that situation, this camera would be a poor choice. Any new Sony camera or the Lumix S5II would be much better.
@@OBP_ That’s great to know, thank you! Would you recommend a Lumix S5II over a Sony for nighttime footage?
Prefer the updated thumbnail. Nice vid. Looking forward to the Pyxis content.
🙌🏼
Do you think bmp6k is good for podcast setup?
Certainly, it's an amazing studio camera for lengthy sessions.
Hey man i gave you shit for accent in the past in comment but you make legit helpful content so apologize and thanks
what can recommend to me? tha 4.6K G2 mini pro (netflix approved) on $2995 dolars or this?
Price just dropped by 30%!
Pixys is 6 year old tech in a new body
Goodwin Causeway
are you from around Lancahire my man?
Close, I'm from Yorkshire
I like ur style m8
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Jacobi Brook
They halved the price. Just got another one.
What EF adapter do you guys use for this camera? I bought this and my Commlite adapter does not work
Sigma MC-21. A bit pricy, but it works. Had to update the firmware on the BMCC since it was slightly outdated right out of the box, but it supports all of my EF IS zoom lenses now.
Viltrox EF-L or the Pro version
Kylee Pass
It’s called Cinema C for reason you need to know what you are doing cinematographer framing ect ect get old pocket learn the craft of film making camera will not get you cinematic images
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UA-cam will have you buying cameras every 3 months 😅 my 6k pro is still worth it
I hate this titel. "Still worth it?" after 8 months? Come on. You spent so much money on a camera, that you made so much research about otherwise you wouldn't buy the camera would you? And now you suddenly gonna throw the camera out? The cameras are so good these days, that you really don't have any excuse to blame the equipment.
The camera is worth it even in 5 years, you should just learn how to use it.
No camera is doing all even from sony and panasonic
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I own a BMPC 4K and have had almost no problems with it, even in hot environments. But won't buy another BlackMagic until they release something without shitty rolling-shutter and shitty low-light performance. It's a deal-breaker.
Also, BlackMagic's "raw" is NOT raw. They admit this in their own whitepaper. ProRes Raw is a true raw codec. I'm not saying BMD's isn't a good codec, but calling it raw is unfortunate bullshit that harms their credibility.
BMD does innovative stuff, but their sensors have been bringing them down for far too many years now.
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Open Gate is SOOOO overrated. From movie standards, who is shooting with the full ratio when it's just going to be cropped in post 🙄
literally, every movie shot on IMAX does that because there are a ton of different deliveries. OG is not overrated at all, also having the option to use is much better than being forced to only 16:9
yeah man great point, why shoot at 4k or even 6k when you’re delivering in 1080.
i really like your videos but pls you have to speak a bit better because as a non native english speaker its hard to understand your harsh british accent.
its brutal. I speak English and this guy has a worse accent than British people. I try to listen to his videos but I want to close the video also.
Better! Better?!! 😂
Absolutely insane comment.