6 months later and still no “wow, you’re so racist” reply to this comment. And it’s on a video posted by the actual show’s page. Humanity might have a chance after all.
No doubt- how JP kept a poker face during that is beyond me. This dude loves big words. Notice he isnt using them now though. He's a fake when he is intimidated by the person across him and shows it by resorting to "puffing up" intellectually much like many "alpha" males do when they feel threatened. Notice he isnt using them as mahr kisses his ass
Peterson is the sad figure. he can't think past what he has been told and triggered, because it is possible for him to get his ass kicked by someone who wears a dress. Dr. Dyson is unbothered by such things and not one who wears a dress would even address him in anyway that is disrespectful. Peterson only gets respect from you sycophants who are afraid of the same things he is. Get your ass kicked by someone who wears dresses! 😅😆
I had never hear of this Dyson guy until I watched him debate Jordan Peterson at the Munk Debates. In a debate about Political Correctness he called Peterson "an angry white man" and when he couldn't come up with any good argumentative counterpoints to Peterson's points he resorted to personal attacks, rude uncivil language and provocative race-baiting tactics. He certainly failed to provide any convincing points to support his side of the argument in favour of political correctness. Indeed he tried to hijack the debate make it a race baiting exercise. He demonstrated that he is not only a terrible debater, an infantile intellectual and a blatant racist, but worse than all that a complete A-hole. The last person any civil person would want at a dinner party.
@@TheDatabaseDude Lol! You mad? We already seen JP in action going through a tirade about transgender people. I wish he was that mad about how these big corps are trashing our planet yet he's mad because some guy wants to wear a dress!
Daniel Schaeffer There are those folk who track Dyson like some intelligence agency, and more often than not, to posit the same old -isms about someone they don't even know. They simply can't stand to hear the truth.
@@doleo_metal oh my goodness, read a book! You have no idea what the word really means thus you compare the vitriol you're accustomed to hearing from acruak racists to the passion of those dispelling it
It should be the same standard. 'Comedian', 'politician'... they're just titles. A politician can say something funny. A comedian can talk about politics.
because comedians speak truth to power which is more important in our times than it ever was. unfortunately this often results in people putting too much faith into their idols which in turn creates situations like these. at least imo fuck that fake academic btw that dude is like the snakeoilsalesman for scholars...
Dyson has to be the least impressive “intellectual” on the planet. I have never heard him say a single thing of substance. He’s also a sociology prof, the least respected discipline in academia.
I saw this comment under the debate he had against Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry: "M.E.D. is an intellectual in the same sense the Count from "Sesame Street" is a mathematician." - sums the guy up in my opinion.
You obviously think that the world should feel the same way about dumb Donald Trump, right? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL would that ever happen in this life or the next.. Brilliant black minds and men intimidates the hell out of you huh? It should..
I seriously seriously tried to listen but could not understand. I believe Dyson is speaking intellectual babble unless someone can explain what the hell he's talking about to me.
Its..... sooo.... bad. Fry is the only one who stays on point and that includes Peterson. But Dyson is the only beacon of complete stupidity in the debate. Even Michelle Goldberg had some valid points.
Have you ever been black? Have you ever experienced what it's like to be African-American to the extent you can invalidate someone else's experiences? Just asking.
@@75bgb Maybe because the vast majority of African-Americans voted progressive this election? (So sorry for your loss, by the way.) Also, your name is "Brian"
Bill has been is and will always be in the real fight. As a 35 year old black woman I'm grateful for this show. His show/work taught me shit they never taught in my poor school system. Rappers don't get a pass for degrading the black community with their lyrics. He is sincere and he exposes the real threats in America 2017. Keep going Bill your real fans got your back.
Peterson is an angry old white man and an undercover Nazi. Peterson pulls shit out of his ass and calls it data. He's also an admitted psychotropic junkie and his health has gone down hill.
@@jamberry8026 there isn't a single shred of evidence that you can produce to prove anything about what you just said. I'm not even gonna acknowledge the"junkie" remark. He got help for that and almost lost his life. You're not a good person. Stop pretending to be.
Dyson is not very smart for a so called “intellectual” if you watch him debate all he does is try and say big words ( a lot of times not even making sense ) and sound intelligent but he really is ignorant on a lot of issues.
I must disagree. By the supposition of your juxtaposition, you are quantitatively and quantifiably disregarding the fact that; he may be dim but still has brought his spectacles with him. 🎵
Michael Eric Dyson is a sociology professor. Which essentially means he is what Nassim Nicholas Taleb refers to as a "Bullshit vendor." Sociology is essentially a creative writing subject -- you can get an "A" by simply writing how you feel. I know, because I got an "A" in Sociology.
Taleb is a finance expert, why does his view on osciology matter? Try to get interested in Pierre Bourdieu, you will see that sociology isn't an exercise in imagination.
Hi another opinion is that Bill is not afraid, he felt & knew what he said was wrong . He didn't feel comfortable during or afterward and was big enough to apologize. I didn't like Ice Cube's attitude and manner in which he brought to Bill's apology. Dyson is no one's tool or fool. Some people aren't ok with a Black man, extremely intelligent or educated speaking about something wrong that a White man in this case Bill whom other people including myself have liked and respect for years acknowledges that he used a word which is harmful to the people who it was invented for and used against for decades . In my opinion the word is so hurtful that it is not justified for the Rappers and other Black people to use under the guise of changing it to an endearment in order to excuse Black people using it. This doesn't make it hurt less when said by a White person or person of a different nationality considering the history of the word. Bill knew this and did not eel good about saying it on national tv, especially during the racial division during the last 3 years.
I'm black, and I ain't mad, it's all about context, bill dates nothing but black women, loves black culture, and fights for liberal values that promote inclusions of minorities, dude made a mistake, lets stop being sjws and move on. We lying if we ain't seen black comedians on def comedy jam ripping on white people. Neither should be crucified for it because we understand each other
I'm black and obviously don't speak for all black people on planet earth but come on, leave Bill alone he apologized already he obviously didn't mean it literally, it was figurative. It's not like he's burning a cross on my lawn as he uses that word; that would be transparent racism. He did fumble with the joke, but it was in response to something that sounded racist. With that said, still think I have more license to use “The N word “than Mr. Maher. This also applies to yours truly with other ethnicities. For example, the Chinese community has much more license to use “The C Word” (The Other C Word) than me. Tight rope humour of that sort should only be said in places like the Friars club where you are fully warned ahead of time how “Blue” the humour is going to be. That kind of humour is not for the faint of hearts; thumbs up people of You Tube if you agree?
Wise words said, I would love to see all the black folk that got their pitchforks for Bill go out and actually protests racists like Trump and his cabinet.
The thing is, if anyone's been paying attention since the 80's Maher's always been a staunch advocate for racial equality and civil rights. It's all documented in . . . video.
Exactly. In response to a puzzling (possibly racist) comment by a guest, he made a spontaneous joke that was not only leaden and unfunny, but also offensive. That's all that happened. I'm pretty sure he wasn't expressing deliberate racism. It was just an attempt at spontaneous humor that failed miserably. Hopefully this is the end of it.
@@blackphilip8936 Dyson is exactly what Thomas Sowell explained here: “Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as ‘racists’”.
@@themaskedman221 they have pride prayers nowadays trans drag shows with priests etc. i removed myself from the church i go to the woods to pray to god on shrooms
@@swesleyc7 The amount of dogma that Evangelicals borrowed from Catholics these days really is astounding. I've heard Evangelical preachers talk about "demon possession," which is a very Medieval, very Catholic belief that mainstream Protestants abandoned a long time ago. And also the belief that everyone's a "sinner" until they 'get saved" -that's certainly a sharp departure from the Calvinistic Protestantism that used to prevail.
"One of the great secrets of the day is to know how to take possession of popular prejudices and passions in such a way as to introduce a confusion of principles which makes impossible all understanding between those who speak the same language and have the same interests." ~ Machiavelli
Demagoguery and 'divide and conquer' politics are both pretty simple concepts. You'd have to be a moron to not understand the quote. All I'm saying is that seeing the likes of Machiavelli quoted in this comments section is like seeing Britney Spears covering a Janis Joplin song.
Beware when rhetoric becomes a substitute for substance. You always know that a person has a weak position when he tries to accomplish with the clever use of words what argument alone cannot do.
Steve M - and this idiot is that idea, personified. His ‘arguments’ - for what they are cannot actually be reasonably qualified as anything other than the mumblings of an pathological obscurantist.
It's mostly that he knew that it's not a battle worth fighting. The word can still hurt people, and even though there are legitimate merits to discuss if it should hurt people regardless of context he knew it wasn't worth fighting over. Sometimes intellectual people need to just bite their tongue when it comes to dealing with emotional responses, not because the emotional folk are right, but just because you gotta pick your battles.
I don't think it's bullshit at all. He made a spontaneous joke that was both offensive and terribly leaden. That's it. He knows it was offensive, and stupid, though bafflingly he seemed to think it was funny at the time when it wasn't. It was a stupid, spontaneous remark and now he knows it. Hopefully people will let him move on.
It's weird though that it's such a big deal. I used to work as a cashier in a drug store with a few black people, and I swear I heard the N-word about 200 times a day. I get why white people especially shouldn't use it, but no one thinks Bill Maher is racist or that he did it with malicious intent. If the mere utterance of the word causes people so much pain, why do we accept its use at all?
I'm a BLACK woman and I LOVE BILL MAHER. In my Pangea mind and knowing how each race has pillaged or murdered another throughout centuries, if one can't say it, NO ONE, and my people, NO ONE should be able to say it, not even US. Tired of people having a problem when it conveniences them, yet won't go crazy when a Latino (for example) or someone who was raised in the ghetto says it...it was funny as hell and Bill is still my guy..Peace with my dashiki on
That’s your opinion. Give room for others to voice theirs. You can’t get so comfortable around me that you can’t take me checking your ass when you cross the line. He should take it. Apologize. And move on. Not justify!
Michael Eric Dyson: "it's not as if black people in the house were any better off than black people in the field..." Bruh... do you know ANYTHING about farming??? Seriously....
One could argue that the only reason modern/young generations know about the "n" word is because black people keep it in circulation through its use in music/film and just plain old conversation.
It is pathetic. LordOfShadowz and CharlesBrown, thanks for adding so much to the conversation. Someone not being able to say a word because they’re white is racist. Simple.
Just the title of his book exposes the problem. If you want to cry forever, that's your choice, and it's not a good one. Go off in the corner and cry forever. I'm not interested.
To paraphrase his guest, Bill is the kind of person whose conscience causes him to be reflective. Classy way for him to address, apologize, and handle the situation.
There's a difference between challenging white privilege and trying to completely crush Maher's career and the career of anyone who makes a mistake. Maher knows he fucked up so can we focus on the people who are actually problems regarding race?
That's the scary part. Maher's career got in serious jeopardy because of the noise/turbulence volume. Maher's career wasn't threatened by people like this reasonable guy he has on. Yet the reasonable guy is kinda defending the side of "yeah you deserved to be inches away from getting fired for a single joke like that" even though that's not an opinion I'd believe he'd actually take.
He shouldn't have apologized. The fact that we have double standards for WORDS is ridiculous. I am half-black btw. My father is from South Africa, so I know a thing or two about REAL racism. This fucking guy (the guest) is just being a crybaby.
There's no such thing as "white privilege". Asian Americans deflate that entire argument. Not only do they make more money, they go to jail much less often and they're a minority.
It must be exhausting waking up every morning being a professional victim. When the black community flings that word around so casually how can you expect it not to spill into other people's vocabulary? Also... if you are offended by a word over someone's actions and intent... then that is the bigger issue. Should he have said it? No. Does context matter? Fuck yes it does.
Agreed. it's even more a problem when you know for a fact that the intent wasn't to cause malice, yet still choose to be a victim and take the comment out of context.
The older you get, the harder it is to admit you were wrong and apologize for it. Bill is now in his 60s, but he stepped up and admitted he was wrong, because he is a real man and a stand up guy...totally different from the American president.
Bill Maher is one of the strongest advocates for equality and liberal views there is on TV today! We have real racists in powerful positions in our country and we are suppose to go bananas over this? Same people attacking Maher are the same people who tried to attack Stephen Colbert just last month. We love you Bill .
I agree with you. This is manini stuff (what we say in Hawaii for small, trivial stuff)! Isn't it wonderful to have friends like Michael Eric Dyson! And to be open to conversing with the likes of Ice Cube on these matters! I'm looking forward to Dr.Cornel West's next appearance on the show! THANK YOU BILL MAHER FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE, FOR YOUR HONESTY, AND FOR YOUR SHOW. IT'S ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS THESE DAYS!!
Bill shouldn't have apologized in the first place. The fact that we have double standards for WORDS is ridiculous. I'm half-black and my (black) father is from South Africa, so I know a thing or two about REAL racism. When every other song you listen to says nigga, you can no longer feel outraged over it. The guests tonight were being fucking crybabies. I'm pretty sure Bill did this apology tour in order to avoid any complications with his show, but he has lost a lot of credibility to me. This segment was disgusting, and when Ice Cube started talking about it I was filled with rage. He's [Ice Cube is] such a hypocrite.
Ok....everybody can say the word. As long as the jail population, becomes less disproportionate ...there is more of a balance when it comes to poverty where it does in numbers affect black people the worse.....the wage gap is tightened in favor of black folks...and...black bodies aren’t disregarded by LAW INFORCEMENT OFFICIALS...essentially repair 400 years of slavery...then sure, everyone can gladly say the word. We’ve been psychological destroyed and yes we don’t make it any easier for ourselves but the idea that..just because it’s used in rap songs that it should be open season is LITERALLY THE DUMBEST TAKE YOU CAN MAKE.
@@hillboycejr4939 totally agree. First of all there are things in all cultures that they consider taboo. In black culture when white people (or even other races) say the n-word its disrespectful. WHO CARES THAT WE CAN'T SAY IT?! I'm sure plenty of black ppl don't care if we say it but out of respect for those that do care.... just don't say it. JEEEEZZZZ. okay rant over.
I've been Black my whole life and hardly hear that word in music, because I don't listen to that crap. Why don't you try not listening to it. It works for me!
@@oldnite3414 Nope! You're not redeeming white comedy. It's still as dull, dry, and boring as it's always been for the last thirty or so years. If you thought that was funny, nope it wasn't. Sounds gay to me!
Listening to Michael Eric Dyson talk is like the episode if friends where Joey uses the thesaurus in Word to change every word in his paper to something else to sound smart, and then he ends up sounding like a moron. That black dude is the same way, using an overabundance of $5 words to make himself sound smart instead of using common sense and facts.
I thought it was funny too. Maybe because I'm not american? This debate about words seems a bit surreal, as an outsider, although I know the history of that word, and I wouldn't use it myself, even in a joke. However, I've come to know, and appreciate, Bill Maher because he makes jokes that very few other comedians would make. Isn't that why he's successful and he has a show on HBO? He's joked about almost every group he doesn't belong too. The debate is really about: can you joke about group X if you're not part of group X? Can you use stereotypes about group Y if you're not part of group Y? For example, Bill Maher is not gay, yet he has joked about gays so many times, jokes that I wouldn't dare to make myself, as a straight man! Maybe it's funny coming from him because we know there's no hate behind his jokes.
Not hilarious but pretty amusing. People don't seem to grasp the sentiment behind the joke, which is (explicitly) Bill expressing that he's too delicate to work in the fields and (implicitly) that Republican economic policies would like to turn us all into slaves. No racism was remotely meant by this. On another note, does anyone think that "Pulp Fiction" could not be made today? Because I can't see such an un p.c. script being greenlit in this environment.
Exactly, which is why his "I'm a comedian, and sometimes we go for laughs before fully thinking" was a valid defense. But it doesn't matter how many times he apologizes or how sincerely (and I do believe he is sincere) he means it; nothing short of jumping in the De Loren and going back in time will resolve this 5 second flub for some. Or (more insidiously) perhaps they were waiting for him to say something off-color and have simply used it as an excuse to push for firing. There are those on both the far Right and Left who have had a vendetta against Maher for decades.
Kudos to Bill Maher for one of his rare apologies; and kudos to his friend for calling Bill on it and not going easy on him. As was said in one of the Harry Potter movies "it's hard to stand up to your enemies; it's harder to stand up to your friends".
i just hate the hypocrisy of the son's text. "white boys" is ok to use, but the N-word is taboo. i understand why it is taboo, but i still hate the fact that it is ok for one group to use a racial slurs while others can not. i am a biracial individual with both white and black heritage, use of the n-word (positive or negative) or racial slurs are things i don't tolerate.
@@minkusmaz It refers to a white person's race in a manner that his entire identity is reduced to his racial background and that his judgement is invalid because of that. How is it different from N-word??
@@minkusmaz a person's reaction to referring to his/her race in a demeaning manner is fragility? Even if he/she is "fragile", does it give anyone right to keep knocking on them?
@@batukhan1 Referring to someone as a white boy does not reduce their entirety to a racial slur the way the N word does. Not every mention of race is equivalent to every other mention of race. Mentioning race is not racism. A slur designed to put black people into a lower class is not the same as calling out negative behavior on the part of white men. You are lost.
I've never been impressed with Dyson. I might gain a good level of respect for Maher if he'll ever recognize his side of the aisle is less worthy of his loyalty than he gives it.
Dyson is a total charlatan. He uses fast talking and an unnecessary vocabulary to obscure the fact that he rarely has anything meaningful or profound to ever say. He's the master of the word salad.
Bill Maher's is a good man there's nothing about this man that is racist he's a political comedian and he always talks about how the minorities in the poor are getting the shaft in this country and he calls it out all the time. I don't know if he ever reads any of these comments or his staff does but I want him to know that I appreciate them I love to be on the show one day and meet this man because he is one of the good ones he's a good comedian he's witty funny he does his research educated and a decent human being God bless you my brother
I'm grateful that this issue has been raised. I was foolish enough to think that maybe, having black friends and being a fan of rap music, I could possibly use the word in a friendly, humorous or light-hearted way. Listening to Michael Eric Dyson, Symone Sanders and Ice Cube explaining the offence to Bill Maher on his show has taught me that I should never, ever consider using that word. That it has connotations that I can never fully understand. That it causes a pain that I can never fully appreciate. That it has a history that can never be erased. And that for me, as a white guy, it can never be part of my lexicon. Lesson learned. And, Bill. Shut up and listen to these people.
I wouldn't be able to keep up. They both use the tactic of talking so fast that you just go along with what they say without the time to have what was said register in your brain.
I had an ouch moment when I heard Bill Maher in his conversation with Rep Sase. I just had the same feeling when Dyson read his son's comments which included reference to "White boys." It is not comparable to what Bill said, but it is derogatory and intentional.
#2 opinion is that that is a wrong assumption. Bill is not afraid; he felt & knew what he said was wrong. He didn't feel comfortable during or afterward and was big enough to apologize. I didn't like Ice Cube's attitude and manner in which he brought in response to Bill's apology. Bill whom many people including myself have liked and respected for years acknowledged that he used a word which is harmful to the people whom it was invented for that purpose, and is still used against decades later, especially by illiterate or callous people. Harmful words can trigger people of all races. There is also someone who has not and can't be hurt by a word that was invented for a particular race different than theirs can easily criticize and accuse the affected person of proclaiming victimhood. Who are they to proclaim & judge what hurts others who were or are victimized or affected by something that can't affect the one judging. Black Rappers and people who use the word know it was invented to harm during murders, other victimization wrongly keep the word in use under the guise of changing it to an endearment as an excuse to keep using the foil word created as a weapon against people of African decent. This does not lessen the pain any more than it does when a Jewish or Polish or person of other descent is called a derogatory word regardless of a person who feel they have the right to judge and ridicule and dispute the fact that it is hurtful while mischaracterizing the person who rightfully feels hurt and speaks up disregarding the fact that people have a right to speak up when they are victimized. Bill is a decent, knowledgeable man who apologized for a word he knew was historically and currently used to victimize those it was invented for.
I see more black intellectuals and more raw discussions on Maher's show than on any of the "mainstream" news programs; cut him some slack. If we as black people force a mountain of guilt on allies when they slip up, we'll have less backup when the enemies come knocking.
It is condescending to treat black people as a special class that needs to be protected from having their feelings hurt! Almost everything that any comedian says will be offensive toward someone, whether that be women, gays, blacks, latinos, or heterosexual white men. If you really think that someone is your equal you won't treat them like a sensitive child that needs to be protected from " Trigger words". We all know that Bill apologized in order to save his job, and I don't blame him for doing so. But people need to quit demanding apologies from comedians in general. It is their job to try to make things funny, especially the things in life that hurt the most.
Tom D Just like when they tried to implement ebonics. Omg. Ebonics. Stupid people segregating. Imagine Neil degrasse Tyson having to grow up learning ebonics instead of learning the way he did. Some whites and blacks thought it was a good idea. We have to face facts. Our country has a large percentage of unintelligent people. I'm sure it's around the same percentage all over the world. But, our country has more access to free thought, multimedia, than any other country. I wonder what exactly the ratios are of being completely wrong, and afraid to admit it, versus people who think deeply about all important subjects, before going all in, are.
@@addorsubtract650 It's pretty rare. It's almost always white liberals speaking on behalf of blacks! Whether they like it or not. Case in point is Defund The Police.
@@Tom-qp6oh that was started by some black blm protestors. U must not have seen the black lady getting in the face of mayor asking him to defund. Yes, majority of blacks don’t agree with that if u all look at the polls. But at no point were white liberals guiding the blm defund movement. They were only their for support. It was headed by blacks
@@addorsubtract650 White Liberals that run the media and city governments gave legitimacy to Defund The Police regardless of who first coined the phrase. If they had any balls they would have called it out for the nonsense that it is. Blacks are dying at the highest levels in decades in all of these democrat run cities, thanks to BLM and their hatred of cops and the U.S. as it is currently structured. Rich people that live in nice neighborhoods with Armed Security patrolling seem to love defunding poor peoples Armed Security. AKA Police Officers.
I'm half black, and Bill shouldn't have apologized. Period. I despise double standards. And here's the kicker: even if a white guy is singing along to his favorite black artist (therefore paying homage to said artist & furthering that artist's career, which is obviously NOT racist), if he says nigga somehow that's racist. Even though the context is the EXACT SAME as the artist's because it's the artist's own words. Give me a break. And then fucking ICE CUBE has the gall to chastise Bill for it too. He calls white women "cave bitches" on his new album, in addition to saying nigga constantly. The groveling to PC culture never ends. I thought Bill Maher was above it. I was wrong. And once again, I'm half-black. I've gotta mention that again or else I'm a white racist!
+Kingsley de Jenga, Your logic should be applauded because it is getting very hard to find critical thinking in the masses these days. My friends will get offended when a white person makes the wrong assumption of them, "hablas espanol?". But if a fellow latino does the same thing, it's all chill. THE FUCK? You either care or you don't care. But I'm sick of these moments of stereotyping being labelled "racist microaggressions". Being ignorant, prejudice, or a dick doesn't make you racist, even if a racist is all of those things.
I agree with Dyson: What Bill did was a reflex; he was joking. He made a mistake. It's easy to joke about something you hear all the time; and most times, from Black comedians. "They" should be condemned and should have been from the beginning when we purposely introduced the word as acceptable among Black folk. It's NOT. Bill, keep doing your thing my 'brother". Signed: a "Brother"
Bill Maher was only quoting what he's heard any number of times from Black comedians. He said what he said without malice. He was making a joke. Trying to be funny. That's it and that's all. No issue here.
Chaos Sector Bullshit. In a time when trump says shit out loud, you think anyone needs subtlety? Trump-i could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and i wouldn't lose votes. Trump-Retweeted a disingenuous meme that showed blacks kill whites more than whites kill whites. And that whites barely kill anyone else. Subtle? Pure steteotypical racism. You saying maher did this on purpose? Your powers of perception, suck.
People don't seem to grasp the sentiment behind the joke, which is (explicitly) Bill expressing that he's too delicate to work in the fields and (implicitly) that Republican economic policies would like to turn us all into slaves. No racism was remotely meant by this. Chris Rock has made it clear that the reason why he doesn't play college campuses is because instead of listening if a joke is funny, the students sit there and police if any of the words could remotely "trigger" anyone. To use an overused word, it's Orwellian. And for Dyson to lecture Bill and then use the term "white boy" is pretty hypocritical and disgusting. Especially as a sociology professor. What would you think if someone had said during the Obama years, "Well, we have a black boy in the White House"? Would you think the guy's racist? Because I sure would. Blacks being racist against whites is not reverse racism; it's just racism. Deal with it.
The use of "boy" in reference to men has been used to demean and disempower them by placing their social status on the level of children. Historically, since white men have held the reins of power throughout most of this country's existence, this has been directed towards black men and other minority men. But now that whites no longer have superior status, some minority speakers have felt at liberty to demean white men by using this term. It's just as racist as calling a black man "boy" and needs to be called out.
Cassandra'sCurse It'd be interesting to sit down and have a conversation with you and some others on here. It's not a proposal. Just whimsy. You seem a thinker. And you showcase the interest of thinking. So, there are some smart people commenting here. I've, got a feeling the smartest among us almost feel true hopelessness in the world around us. Perhaps its just subliminal. That must be why the smartest people aren't most of the populace of comment sections. Anyways, you dr braxy, DM584, jon davidson. It would be interesting to sit down with all of you, and some others here, to bounce thoughts off of.
"the comic mind goes to a weird place sometimes, it doesnt matter that it wasnt said in malice, if it brought pain to people, then i apologize" LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'VE SAID YOUR ENTIRE LIFE ON TV BUT YOU'RE MAKING AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
ooDirtyMickoo I think he over thought what certain friends would think of him afterwards. Simple human worry of losing closeness, made him retract something offensive to white republicans. Its weird, that the obvious lack of understanding context, shows prominently, these days. Same thing happened on Colberts show. Stephen Colberts show routinely insults trump amongst others. But he's usually doing it in such a way, that it goes over a lot of peoples heads, including, embarrassingly, our president. So, when Colbert did his monologue that he got in trouble for, he started with high brow things that were more defamatory, i was laughing my ass off. Then when he got to the low brow, one or two-liner insults, i personally was thinking what the fuck. You're smarter than these jokes. But, almost immediately, it dawned on me. That it was on purpose so a dumber person would know he was being insulted. Then I laughed my head off again, knowing the premise. And it worked! The trump camp got offended from the lower intelligence styled, jokes. And they went to spin it like he was homophobic. Genius monologue rooting out stupid people. I feel this joke from maher wasn't delivered perfectly, but good enough. How else do you stick it to people who are about shameless. What especially sucks about maher wanting to apologize for this was he also had to go all in, and apologize to the republican whom he stuck it to in the first place. Ahhhhgony.
Love you Bill. These lectures were painful to watch. The joke was bad, sure, but that should have been the end of it, not all this BS. Just keep up the good fight.
dyson is certainly a master at masking resentment in the cloak of acedemia. he reminds me of that character on In Living Color, the black muslim in prison who speaks like malcolm x, but makes up words (great skit btw).
this is ridiculous. you have some black people that say nigga all the time and this guy is gonna school bill maher? he needs to school these rappers on saying nigga every two seconds in their lyrics.
Not the same. Rappers and other black people use the term as a means of defusing its racist context so the insult will carry less weight (because the word actually does have an inseparable racist element - it was coined during the slave trade and used widely to diminish black people and treat them as sub-human).
The episode that made lose all my respect for Bill Maher. Eric Dyson and Ice Cube is going to lecture you on how to be sensitive with regard to race. Okay then.
You shouldn't. Maher was laughing most of the time, don't think he took any of this seriously. + look at people in the comments, except for trolls, everyone mocks the mean mad black man. I feel it was just a joke video, so people see what democrats bring nowadays
Michael (Oswald Bates) Dyson has 20 -30 three to four syllable words that he repeats and rearranges again and again, often incorrectly, and the semi literate think he is smart. I would so love to debate with him while dressed like him and doing an impression of him.
The reason why Dyson thinks he is not racist is because he supports and pushes the redefinition of racism, which is not coherent and results in the justified dislike of him or anyone else who agrees with such a statement/opinion. The debate he had with Jordan Peterson is a perfect example why many, myself included, dislike people like this. It would've been more interesting to have Thomas Sowell there instead of Dyson, although, I think it is also important to listen to people like him, in order to be cautious about letting people similiar to Dyson get in positions of power, because they will do more harm than good, even though they think they have good intentions.
Lets focus on racism, not on Bill Maher who is obviously not a racist. His bad "N" joke is really nothing to talk about. "Lets work in the fields" is definitely a trigger for "N" word in a comedic mind and quick witted people sometimes are too quick for their own good.
Nothing but a Mean Mad Black man
Nice reference
fatmanpedaling
I see what you did there! #JP&Dyson
Well played.
6 months later and still no “wow, you’re so racist” reply to this comment. And it’s on a video posted by the actual show’s page. Humanity might have a chance after all.
No doubt- how JP kept a poker face during that is beyond me. This dude loves big words. Notice he isnt using them now though. He's a fake when he is intimidated by the person across him and shows it by resorting to "puffing up" intellectually much like many "alpha" males do when they feel threatened. Notice he isnt using them as mahr kisses his ass
This man is here to keep you in an emotional box ,forever. Hes a sad figure.
@@gregbrown1311 BINGO!
Peterson is the sad figure. he can't think past what he has been told and triggered, because it is possible for him to get his ass kicked by someone who wears a dress. Dr. Dyson is unbothered by such things and not one who wears a dress would even address him in anyway that is disrespectful. Peterson only gets respect from you sycophants who are afraid of the same things he is. Get your ass kicked by someone who wears dresses! 😅😆
So is your momma.
The number of racist folks on this post supporting racist ideology is mind boggling .
@@anthonycoleman9593 why?
I had never hear of this Dyson guy until I watched him debate Jordan Peterson at the Munk Debates. In a debate about Political Correctness he called Peterson "an angry white man" and when he couldn't come up with any good argumentative counterpoints to Peterson's points he resorted to personal attacks, rude uncivil language and provocative race-baiting tactics. He certainly failed to provide any convincing points to support his side of the argument in favour of political correctness. Indeed he tried to hijack the debate make it a race baiting exercise. He demonstrated that he is not only a terrible debater, an infantile intellectual and a blatant racist, but worse than all that a complete A-hole. The last person any civil person would want at a dinner party.
Couldn't have said it any better myself 👏🏻
Exactly, the OGs in the culture war remember this moment.
JP is an angry white man.
@@jamberry8026 Troll?
@@TheDatabaseDude Lol! You mad? We already seen JP in action going through a tirade about transgender people. I wish he was that mad about how these big corps are trashing our planet yet he's mad because some guy wants to wear a dress!
I just got done watching Dyson's "debate" with Jordan Peterson. Dyson's performance was revolting.
Daniel Schaeffer There are those folk who track Dyson like some intelligence agency, and more often than not, to posit the same old -isms about someone they don't even know. They simply can't stand to hear the truth.
He said some outrageously and shickingly racist shit during that debate. I couldn't believe it.
You're not the only one who saw that...
@@doleo_metal oh my goodness, read a book! You have no idea what the word really means thus you compare the vitriol you're accustomed to hearing from acruak racists to the passion of those dispelling it
Keisha Puryear
Nice impression. You captured Dyson’s BS rhetoric style perfectly!
"For the life of me, I do not understand why, in this country, we try and hold comedians to a standard we do not hold leaders to." - Jon Stewart
It should be the same standard. 'Comedian', 'politician'... they're just titles. A politician can say something funny. A comedian can talk about politics.
Jon Stewart isn’t a comedian
Jay Doubleyhoo I agree. “Jon Stewart isn’t a comedian”, is funnier than anything he has ever said. Good Job👍🏻
Great quote and I fuckin agree!
because comedians speak truth to power which is more important in our times than it ever was. unfortunately this often results in people putting too much faith into their idols which in turn creates situations like these. at least imo
fuck that fake academic btw that dude is like the snakeoilsalesman for scholars...
Dyson has to be the least impressive “intellectual” on the planet. I have never heard him say a single thing of substance.
He’s also a sociology prof, the least respected discipline in academia.
Exactly. Watch him in debates he just babbles on and on
Where's your best selling book?
@@bryankelsey8179 Try and keep up!
@@FASBLAQUE There’s a lot of pieces of shit that have been best sellers because idiots like you buy them. Bye bye now.
I saw this comment under the debate he had against Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry: "M.E.D. is an intellectual in the same sense the Count from "Sesame Street" is a mathematician." - sums the guy up in my opinion.
If you look up ‘word salad’ in the dictionary there is a picture of Dyson right next to it.
He really is preposterous.
Yo lo repeto el solo conmigo no
And there aren’t any greens in this salad. It’s all cucumber, broccoli florets, and almonds. It just. doesn’t. make. sense.
15:25 "legitmated"
And stephen a smith who worships this guy
Dyson is so self-righteous, he might as well be God in his own mind.
Every morning Professor Dyson looks in the mirror and says “You’re the best 😘”
He probably agrees with your statement.
You obviously think that the world should feel the same way about dumb Donald Trump, right? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL would that ever happen in this life or the next.. Brilliant black minds and men intimidates the hell out of you huh? It should..
@@dr.peppermintpatty4925 how is that obvious? Are you ever going to stop obsessing over Trump?
No wonder tall are so stupid doc if this man is what you consider a brilliant mind.
I seriously seriously tried to listen but could not understand. I believe Dyson is speaking intellectual babble unless someone can explain what the hell he's talking about to me.
Dyson talks a lot and says nothing!
Andre Campbell have you seen the PC debate with Jordan Peterson????
Its..... sooo.... bad. Fry is the only one who stays on point and that includes Peterson. But Dyson is the only beacon of complete stupidity in the debate. Even Michelle Goldberg had some valid points.
Andre Campbell
Dyson an actor playing a part not a intellectual
I understand what your saying. But he needed to address it on a basic level before going into the deeper parts of PC culture.
Andre Campbell how's that GED work in out for ya
They spoke about just this for another 20 mins? WTF! I've never seen Bill Maher so quiet. People need to calm the fuck down.
Amazing: the kind of living a person can make as a professional victim. Are the colleges offering that as a major, yet?
Get 1 degree and a second professional victim degree free
Have you ever been black? Have you ever experienced what it's like to be African-American to the extent you can invalidate someone else's experiences? Just asking.
@@alexreiser6325 How do you know I'm not black? Just asking.
@@75bgb Maybe because the vast majority of African-Americans voted progressive this election? (So sorry for your loss, by the way.) Also, your name is "Brian"
@@alexreiser6325 Hmm. That sounds kinda racist!
Bill has been is and will always be in the real fight. As a 35 year old black woman I'm grateful for this show. His show/work taught me shit they never taught in my poor school system. Rappers don't get a pass for degrading the black community with their lyrics. He is sincere and he exposes the real threats in America 2017. Keep going Bill your real fans got your back.
Been a fan since politically correct
Saw this guy debating Peterson, one use rational arguments and one keep attack the person instead of the argument itself. Guess who is who!
Peterson is an angry old white man and an undercover Nazi. Peterson pulls shit out of his ass and calls it data. He's also an admitted psychotropic junkie and his health has gone down hill.
@@jamberry8026 there isn't a single shred of evidence that you can produce to prove anything about what you just said. I'm not even gonna acknowledge the"junkie" remark. He got help for that and almost lost his life. You're not a good person. Stop pretending to be.
Bravo! You just proved his point. You expose yourself as knowing nothing about Jordan Peterson. Ad hominems always and forever, you have no substance
@Scorpio 13 Lol! Your perspective is warped. Dr. Dyson is not a psychotropic hypochondriac!
@@dantebezze ua-cam.com/video/yIh2wQkCqoI/v-deo.html
Dyson is not very smart for a so called “intellectual” if you watch him debate all he does is try and say big words ( a lot of times not even making sense ) and sound intelligent but he really is ignorant on a lot of issues.
Fuck off Mayo he's a fuckin professor 😒 @ Georgetown University fuckwit
Word
I must disagree. By the supposition of your juxtaposition, you are quantitatively and quantifiably disregarding the fact that; he may be dim but still has brought his spectacles with him. 🎵
"some muddle their waters to make themselve seem deep"- Friedrich Nietzsche
These celebrity apology tours are cringe worthy.
Michael Eric Dyson is a sociology professor. Which essentially means he is what Nassim Nicholas Taleb refers to as a "Bullshit vendor." Sociology is essentially a creative writing subject -- you can get an "A" by simply writing how you feel. I know, because I got an "A" in Sociology.
Ka-Ka-Ka ba-ba-Bingo bu-bu-baby! A useless subject if ever there was one.
True that
Taleb is a finance expert, why does his view on osciology matter?
Try to get interested in Pierre Bourdieu, you will see that sociology isn't an exercise in imagination.
Professional victimhood peddling "professor"
@@axelbauron155
It definitely isn't an exercise in looking at data
Dyson's such a tool, and Maher shivers in his boots at the thought of not being accepted by the clapping seals
Nah bill doesn’t care u clearly have not watched lately
Hi another opinion is that Bill is not afraid, he felt & knew what he said was wrong . He didn't feel comfortable during or afterward and was big enough to apologize. I didn't like Ice Cube's attitude and manner in which he brought to Bill's apology. Dyson is no one's tool or fool. Some people aren't ok with a Black man, extremely intelligent or educated speaking about something wrong that a White man in this case Bill whom other people including myself have liked and respect for years acknowledges that he used a word which is harmful to the people who it was invented for and used against for decades . In my opinion the word is so hurtful that it is not justified for the Rappers and other Black people to use under the guise of changing it to an endearment in order to excuse Black people using it. This doesn't make it hurt less when said by a White person or person of a different nationality considering the history of the word. Bill knew this and did not eel good about saying it on national tv, especially during the racial division during the last 3 years.
I'm black, and I ain't mad, it's all about context, bill dates nothing but black women, loves black culture, and fights for liberal values that promote inclusions of minorities, dude made a mistake, lets stop being sjws and move on. We lying if we ain't seen black comedians on def comedy jam ripping on white people. Neither should be crucified for it because we understand each other
he wasnt ripping on black people though...
Well said.
I'm black and obviously don't speak for all black people on planet earth but come on, leave Bill alone he apologized already he obviously didn't mean it literally, it was figurative. It's not like he's burning a cross on my lawn as he uses that word; that would be transparent racism. He did fumble with the joke, but it was in response to something that sounded racist. With that said, still think I have more license to use “The N word “than Mr. Maher. This also applies to yours truly with other ethnicities. For example, the Chinese community has much more license to use “The C Word” (The Other C Word) than me. Tight rope humour of that sort should only be said in places like the Friars club where you are fully warned ahead of time how “Blue” the humour is going to be. That kind of humour is not for the faint of hearts; thumbs up people of You Tube if you agree?
Wise words said, I would love to see all the black folk that got their pitchforks for Bill go out and actually protests racists like Trump and his cabinet.
The thing is, if anyone's been paying attention since the 80's Maher's always been a staunch advocate for racial equality and civil rights. It's all documented in . . . video.
Well Said
Exactly. In response to a puzzling (possibly racist) comment by a guest, he made a spontaneous joke that was not only leaden and unfunny, but also offensive. That's all that happened. I'm pretty sure he wasn't expressing deliberate racism. It was just an attempt at spontaneous humor that failed miserably. Hopefully this is the end of it.
It feels like 20 years doesn't matter and it's like..... what have you done for mee lately Edddiee Murphie
Bill should have Dr Thomas Sowell
on the show. The man is brilliant.
They won't
Bill should, and could.
Thomas Sowell is the equivalent of this guy, but with the opposite arguments
Totally
@@blackphilip8936 Dyson is exactly what Thomas Sowell explained here: “Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as ‘racists’”.
"We're all sinners" damn bill sounding real catholic right now lol
Literally mainstream Christian doctrine. Almost no denomination believes otherwise.
@@wj2429 Some legalists do
@@wj2429 What is "mainstream" Christian doctrine these days? It changes so much I can't keep up.
@@themaskedman221 they have pride prayers nowadays trans drag shows with priests etc. i removed myself from the church i go to the woods to pray to god on shrooms
@@swesleyc7 The amount of dogma that Evangelicals borrowed from Catholics these days really is astounding. I've heard Evangelical preachers talk about
"demon possession," which is a very Medieval, very Catholic belief that mainstream Protestants abandoned a long time ago. And also the belief that everyone's a "sinner" until they 'get saved" -that's certainly a sharp departure from the Calvinistic Protestantism that used to prevail.
"One of the great secrets of the day is to know how to take possession of popular prejudices and passions in such a way as to introduce a confusion of principles which makes impossible all understanding between those who speak the same language and have the same interests." ~ Machiavelli
Gold
Amazing. Nice to see Machiavelli in youtube comments.
Seeing Machiavelli dragged into a UA-cam comments section is like seeing a dead mermaid for sale at a fish market.
Do you even understand what the quote means
Demagoguery and 'divide and conquer' politics are both pretty simple concepts. You'd have to be a moron to not understand the quote. All I'm saying is that seeing the likes of Machiavelli quoted in this comments section is like seeing Britney Spears covering a Janis Joplin song.
Beware when rhetoric becomes a substitute for substance. You always know that a person has a weak position when he tries to accomplish with the clever use of words what argument alone cannot do.
Steve M - and this idiot is that idea, personified. His ‘arguments’ - for what they are cannot actually be reasonably qualified as anything other than the mumblings of an pathological obscurantist.
He is the king of word salad
He’s a total fraud. He should be in prison for slander and treason.
Maher is not known for apologising....for anything. So the fact that he publicly apologised, has weight.
It's mostly that he knew that it's not a battle worth fighting. The word can still hurt people, and even though there are legitimate merits to discuss if it should hurt people regardless of context he knew it wasn't worth fighting over. Sometimes intellectual people need to just bite their tongue when it comes to dealing with emotional responses, not because the emotional folk are right, but just because you gotta pick your battles.
Too much backlash... I'm sure he doesn't give a fuck in reality, and he shouldn't.
I don't think it's bullshit at all. He made a spontaneous joke that was both offensive and terribly leaden. That's it. He knows it was offensive, and stupid, though bafflingly he seemed to think it was funny at the time when it wasn't.
It was a stupid, spontaneous remark and now he knows it. Hopefully people will let him move on.
It's weird though that it's such a big deal. I used to work as a cashier in a drug store with a few black people, and I swear I heard the N-word about 200 times a day. I get why white people especially shouldn't use it, but no one thinks Bill Maher is racist or that he did it with malicious intent. If the mere utterance of the word causes people so much pain, why do we accept its use at all?
i agree with you and think maybe he laughed with embarrassment when he realized what he'd said, like bill but maybe he could cut down on the pot
I'm a BLACK woman and I LOVE BILL MAHER. In my Pangea mind and knowing how each race has pillaged or murdered another throughout centuries, if one can't say it, NO ONE, and my people, NO ONE should be able to say it, not even US. Tired of people having a problem when it conveniences them, yet won't go crazy when a Latino (for example) or someone who was raised in the ghetto says it...it was funny as hell and Bill is still my guy..Peace with my dashiki on
I have a problem when anybody says it
That’s your opinion. Give room for others to voice theirs. You can’t get so comfortable around me that you can’t take me checking your ass when you cross the line. He should take it. Apologize. And move on. Not justify!
@@ThreeCeeProductions qq
Michael Eric Dyson: "it's not as if black people in the house were any better off than black people in the field..."
Bruh... do you know ANYTHING about farming??? Seriously....
hahahahah.
Read the Willie Lynch letter and hopefully you can learn from this strategist even if you missed out on what’s happening in their strategy.
This level of taboo is why the word stays powerful.
"... this is a teachable moment..."
One could argue that the only reason modern/young generations know about the "n" word is because black people keep it in circulation through its use in music/film and just plain old conversation.
Dyson is a joke. He's the last person I'd have this conversation with.
He’s a dyed in wool white hating racist
Why is he a joke?
@@tupac777 he uses big words to say very little. He also loves throwing around the racist/racism label.
@@tupac777 you named your page Tupac and you need to ask that question? Wow. Dyson is that epitome of everything Pac was against.
This is pathetic
Pat Brodie stfu
SuperCool 69 of course talking over yr head lmao
Pathetic is an understatement.
It is pathetic. LordOfShadowz and CharlesBrown, thanks for adding so much to the conversation.
Someone not being able to say a word because they’re white is racist. Simple.
Charles Brown what? Over his head? It’s a race baiter spewing garbage while a pussy apologizes....
Just the title of his book exposes the problem. If you want to cry forever, that's your choice, and it's not a good one. Go off in the corner and cry forever. I'm not interested.
To paraphrase his guest, Bill is the kind of person whose conscience causes him to be reflective. Classy way for him to address, apologize, and handle the situation.
Eric, really said a whole lot of nothing
I am reminded of Christopher Hitchen's line, "What is this babble?"
That's actually from the Bible. Good line though.
There's a difference between challenging white privilege and trying to completely crush Maher's career and the career of anyone who makes a mistake. Maher knows he fucked up so can we focus on the people who are actually problems regarding race?
ShadesofCascades well said
That's the scary part. Maher's career got in serious jeopardy because of the noise/turbulence volume. Maher's career wasn't threatened by people like this reasonable guy he has on. Yet the reasonable guy is kinda defending the side of "yeah you deserved to be inches away from getting fired for a single joke like that" even though that's not an opinion I'd believe he'd actually take.
I couldn't say it better myself! Time to focus on the real bigots.
He shouldn't have apologized. The fact that we have double standards for WORDS is ridiculous. I am half-black btw. My father is from South Africa, so I know a thing or two about REAL racism.
This fucking guy (the guest) is just being a crybaby.
There's no such thing as "white privilege". Asian Americans deflate that entire argument. Not only do they make more money, they go to jail much less often and they're a minority.
It must be exhausting waking up every morning being a professional victim. When the black community flings that word around so casually how can you expect it not to spill into other people's vocabulary? Also... if you are offended by a word over someone's actions and intent... then that is the bigger issue. Should he have said it? No. Does context matter? Fuck yes it does.
Agreed. it's even more a problem when you know for a fact that the intent wasn't to cause malice, yet still choose to be a victim and take the comment out of context.
I'm glad he said it. I don't even like him that much. It was simply funny.
Talk about about deflecting onto Kathy Griffith! LOL
The older you get, the harder it is to admit you were wrong and apologize for it. Bill is now in his 60s, but he stepped up and admitted he was wrong, because he is a real man and a stand up guy...totally different from the American president.
I agree with all that you said on your 1st 2 lines. If you mean the former president I agree with everything you said.
Bill Maher is one of the strongest advocates for equality and liberal views there is on TV today! We have real racists in powerful positions in our country and we are suppose to go bananas over this? Same people attacking Maher are the same people who tried to attack Stephen Colbert just last month. We love you Bill .
Amen sista
very true. bills such an important voice for the rationalists of america
I agree with you. This is manini stuff (what we say in Hawaii for small, trivial stuff)! Isn't it wonderful to have friends like Michael Eric Dyson! And to be open to conversing with the likes of Ice Cube on these matters! I'm looking forward to Dr.Cornel West's next appearance on the show!
THANK YOU BILL MAHER FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE, FOR YOUR HONESTY, AND FOR YOUR SHOW. IT'S ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS THESE DAYS!!
its absolutely horse shit. cant believe people got angry over this garbage. I must be a house nigga too!
But us Trump supporters love watching you guys cannibalize your own!
He's just a mean, angry, black man.
Nick Turner WHY THE RAGE BRUHHH
I think he's got a little Jew in him too tbh
Bill shouldn't have apologized in the first place. The fact that we have double standards for WORDS is ridiculous. I'm half-black and my (black) father is from South Africa, so I know a thing or two about REAL racism. When every other song you listen to says nigga, you can no longer feel outraged over it.
The guests tonight were being fucking crybabies. I'm pretty sure Bill did this apology tour in order to avoid any complications with his show, but he has lost a lot of credibility to me.
This segment was disgusting, and when Ice Cube started talking about it I was filled with rage. He's [Ice Cube is] such a hypocrite.
Ok....everybody can say the word. As long as the jail population, becomes less disproportionate ...there is more of a balance when it comes to poverty where it does in numbers affect black people the worse.....the wage gap is tightened in favor of black folks...and...black bodies aren’t disregarded by LAW INFORCEMENT OFFICIALS...essentially repair 400 years of slavery...then sure, everyone can gladly say the word. We’ve been psychological destroyed and yes we don’t make it any easier for ourselves but the idea that..just because it’s used in rap songs that it should be open season is LITERALLY THE DUMBEST TAKE YOU CAN MAKE.
@@hillboycejr4939 totally agree. First of all there are things in all cultures that they consider taboo. In black culture when white people (or even other races) say the n-word its disrespectful. WHO CARES THAT WE CAN'T SAY IT?! I'm sure plenty of black ppl don't care if we say it but out of respect for those that do care.... just don't say it. JEEEEZZZZ. okay rant over.
I've been Black my whole life and hardly hear that word in music, because I don't listen to that crap. Why don't you try not listening to it. It works for me!
@@FASBLAQUE My nigga
@@oldnite3414 Nope! You're not redeeming white comedy. It's still as dull, dry, and boring as it's always been for the last thirty or so years. If you thought that was funny, nope it wasn't. Sounds gay to me!
please Bill don't stop what you're doing.....you're the best....
He’s been more conservative than usual lately. I find myself liking him more and more
Maher shouldn't have apologized.
your mom should apologize. when's that happening?
Listening to Michael Eric Dyson talk is like the episode if friends where Joey uses the thesaurus in Word to change every word in his paper to something else to sound smart, and then he ends up sounding like a moron. That black dude is the same way, using an overabundance of $5 words to make himself sound smart instead of using common sense and facts.
Lmao
*just a little sodium chloride*
He’s a clown
Has no real intelligence
"Anyone who knows you, knows you're a straight shooter." Hahahahahahah!
I can shoot turds in a straight line, so no technical foul. Dyson is a token, pathetic race-hustler and Bill should not call him his friend.
wait. are we ignoring that the joke was hilarious?
Marcos Rivera yes
I thought it was funny too. Maybe because I'm not american? This debate about words seems a bit surreal, as an outsider, although I know the history of that word, and I wouldn't use it myself, even in a joke. However, I've come to know, and appreciate, Bill Maher because he makes jokes that very few other comedians would make. Isn't that why he's successful and he has a show on HBO? He's joked about almost every group he doesn't belong too. The debate is really about: can you joke about group X if you're not part of group X? Can you use stereotypes about group Y if you're not part of group Y? For example, Bill Maher is not gay, yet he has joked about gays so many times, jokes that I wouldn't dare to make myself, as a straight man! Maybe it's funny coming from him because we know there's no hate behind his jokes.
Not hilarious but pretty amusing. People don't seem to grasp the sentiment behind the joke, which is (explicitly) Bill expressing that he's too delicate to work in the fields and (implicitly) that Republican economic policies would like to turn us all into slaves. No racism was remotely meant by this.
On another note, does anyone think that "Pulp Fiction" could not be made today? Because I can't see such an un p.c. script being greenlit in this environment.
Exactly, which is why his "I'm a comedian, and sometimes we go for laughs before fully thinking" was a valid defense. But it doesn't matter how many times he apologizes or how sincerely (and I do believe he is sincere) he means it; nothing short of jumping in the De Loren and going back in time will resolve this 5 second flub for some. Or (more insidiously) perhaps they were waiting for him to say something off-color and have simply used it as an excuse to push for firing. There are those on both the far Right and Left who have had a vendetta against Maher for decades.
Hilarious to white people.
Kudos to Bill Maher for one of his rare apologies; and kudos to his friend for calling Bill on it and not going easy on him. As was said in one of the Harry Potter movies "it's hard to stand up to your enemies; it's harder to stand up to your friends".
Big words. Small man. God have mercy on his soul.
i just hate the hypocrisy of the son's text. "white boys" is ok to use, but the N-word is taboo. i understand why it is taboo, but i still hate the fact that it is ok for one group to use a racial slurs while others can not.
i am a biracial individual with both white and black heritage, use of the n-word (positive or negative) or racial slurs are things i don't tolerate.
Man you are fragile as it gets. White boys is a racial slur? WTF
@@minkusmaz It refers to a white person's race in a manner that his entire identity is reduced to his racial background and that his judgement is invalid because of that.
How is it different from N-word??
@@batukhan1 Hahahahahaahaha now "white boys" is as offensive as the N word. Fragile is the key word here.
@@minkusmaz a person's reaction to referring to his/her race in a demeaning manner is fragility?
Even if he/she is "fragile", does it give anyone right to keep knocking on them?
@@batukhan1 Referring to someone as a white boy does not reduce their entirety to a racial slur the way the N word does. Not every mention of race is equivalent to every other mention of race. Mentioning race is not racism. A slur designed to put black people into a lower class is not the same as calling out negative behavior on the part of white men. You are lost.
This is where humour is heading. PC humour. Which is incredibly dull!
You need to grow up.
And become serious like you, you mean?
I think hes more grown than you
saying "if it brought back pain" is not an apology.
Now I understand: "People need to read...my book"
I'm black and I still love you bill!!
Behold a professional Victim -.- women must despise him.
No wonder Peterson gets all the hype.
Yea peterson the professional stephen from django
"you're a mean mad white man"
How ironic. Someone who made a mistake and made a racist joke, has to apologize to an unapologetic racist. 🤔
Bill Maher is willing to be humbled , cos that guy was tough to get around . And bill maher brought him on the show , Bill maher has heart.
I've never been impressed with Dyson. I might gain a good level of respect for Maher if he'll ever recognize his side of the aisle is less worthy of his loyalty than he gives it.
Dyson is a total charlatan. He uses fast talking and an unnecessary vocabulary to obscure the fact that he rarely has anything meaningful or profound to ever say. He's the master of the word salad.
@@mkarnavar16 Yuuuuup. Word salad indeed.
neither one of them respect you either
I'm black I forgive you bill, keep it moving.
Bill Maher's is a good man there's nothing about this man that is racist he's a political comedian and he always talks about how the minorities in the poor are getting the shaft in this country and he calls it out all the time. I don't know if he ever reads any of these comments or his staff does but I want him to know that I appreciate them I love to be on the show one day and meet this man because he is one of the good ones he's a good comedian he's witty funny he does his research educated and a decent human being God bless you my brother
So why do so many usa minorities make better wages than the average whites?
16 minutes of this guy and Bill groveling to Ice Hole will keep Trump in the White House for eight years. Thanks Bill ( sarcasm )
I'm grateful that this issue has been raised. I was foolish enough to think that maybe, having black friends and being a fan of rap music, I could possibly use the word in a friendly, humorous or light-hearted way. Listening to Michael Eric Dyson, Symone Sanders and Ice Cube explaining the offence to Bill Maher on his show has taught me that I should never, ever consider using that word. That it has connotations that I can never fully understand. That it causes a pain that I can never fully appreciate. That it has a history that can never be erased. And that for me, as a white guy, it can never be part of my lexicon. Lesson learned. And, Bill. Shut up and listen to these people.
Dyson was wringing his hands all the way through this video. Dyson felt power here…… and he loved it!
As a Georgetown grad I’m ashamed my alma mater employs this clown.
Just saw your comment. It really is amazing how prominent he is considering how watered down his logic always is and where he's employed.
I think it would interesting to see a Dyson/Shapiro debate.
Indeed would love to see it
This idiot says a whole lot of words without saying anything
@@neilsimpson9963 no but u just did
He's debated jordan peterson - political correctness
I wouldn't be able to keep up. They both use the tactic of talking so fast that you just go along with what they say without the time to have what was said register in your brain.
I feel sorrow for Georgetown University.
Eric is taking this too far.
He’s riding a wave at the expense of the black people he claims to want to help. He’s a sick man.
He always does n no matter what whites do he demonizes them .. if they help he finds a way to make that bad. He’s another professional victim
I had an ouch moment when I heard Bill Maher in his conversation with Rep Sase. I just had the same feeling when Dyson read his son's comments which included reference to "White boys." It is not comparable to what Bill said, but it is derogatory and intentional.
If any word, in any language "triggers" you, I assume you are looking to be triggered to proclaim your victimhood.
#2 opinion is that that is a wrong assumption. Bill is not afraid; he felt & knew what he said was wrong. He didn't feel comfortable during or afterward and was big enough to apologize. I didn't like Ice Cube's attitude and manner in which he brought in response to Bill's apology. Bill whom many people including myself have liked and respected for years acknowledged that he used a word which is harmful to the people whom it was invented for that purpose, and is still used against decades later, especially by illiterate or callous people. Harmful words can trigger people of all races. There is also someone who has not and can't be hurt by a word that was invented for a particular race different than theirs can easily criticize and accuse the affected person of proclaiming victimhood. Who are they to proclaim & judge what hurts others who were or are victimized or affected by something that can't affect the one judging. Black Rappers and people who use the word know it was invented to harm during murders, other victimization wrongly keep the word in use under the guise of changing it to an endearment as an excuse to keep using the foil word created as a weapon against people of African decent. This does not lessen the pain any more than it does when a Jewish or Polish or person of other descent is called a derogatory word regardless of a person who feel they have the right to judge and ridicule and dispute the fact that it is hurtful while mischaracterizing the person who rightfully feels hurt and speaks up disregarding the fact that people have a right to speak up when they are victimized. Bill is a decent, knowledgeable man who apologized for a word he knew was historically and currently used to victimize those it was invented for.
I see more black intellectuals and more raw discussions on Maher's show than on any of the "mainstream" news programs; cut him some slack. If we as black people force a mountain of guilt on allies when they slip up, we'll have less backup when the enemies come knocking.
Indeed y'all
You scared that you need Allies that don’t like you whether covert or overt? Cowardice.
And they are already at the damn door. Pounding. If you can’t see it, your head is in the sand.
It is condescending to treat black people as a special class that needs to be protected from having their feelings hurt! Almost everything that any comedian says will be offensive toward someone, whether that be women, gays, blacks, latinos, or heterosexual white men. If you really think that someone is your equal you won't treat them like a sensitive child that needs to be protected from " Trigger words". We all know that Bill apologized in order to save his job, and I don't blame him for doing so. But people need to quit demanding apologies from comedians in general. It is their job to try to make things funny, especially the things in life that hurt the most.
Tom D Just like when they tried to implement ebonics. Omg. Ebonics. Stupid people segregating. Imagine Neil degrasse Tyson having to grow up learning ebonics instead of learning the way he did. Some whites and blacks thought it was a good idea. We have to face facts. Our country has a large percentage of unintelligent people. I'm sure it's around the same percentage all over the world. But, our country has more access to free thought, multimedia, than any other country. I wonder what exactly the ratios are of being completely wrong, and afraid to admit it, versus people who think deeply about all important subjects, before going all in, are.
Love when white conservatives pretend to speak for blacks!! 🤣
@@addorsubtract650 It's pretty rare. It's almost always white liberals speaking on behalf of blacks! Whether they like it or not. Case in point is Defund The Police.
@@Tom-qp6oh that was started by some black blm protestors. U must not have seen the black lady getting in the face of mayor asking him to defund. Yes, majority of blacks don’t agree with that if u all look at the polls. But at no point were white liberals guiding the blm defund movement. They were only their for support. It was headed by blacks
@@addorsubtract650 White Liberals that run the media and city governments gave legitimacy to Defund The Police regardless of who first coined the phrase. If they had any balls they would have called it out for the nonsense that it is. Blacks are dying at the highest levels in decades in all of these democrat run cities, thanks to BLM and their hatred of cops and the U.S. as it is currently structured. Rich people that live in nice neighborhoods with Armed Security patrolling seem to love defunding poor peoples Armed Security. AKA Police Officers.
I gave it about 5 minutes until I had to throw up. MED is literally unwatchable.
They should just call him Intellectual Dyson. He’s a high powered vacuum that sucks all the intelligence out of the room.
Whenever I hear that word I look at the person using it as ignorant no matter what race you are.
Amen
I'm half black, and Bill shouldn't have apologized. Period.
I despise double standards. And here's the kicker: even if a white guy is singing along to his favorite black artist (therefore paying homage to said artist & furthering that artist's career, which is obviously NOT racist), if he says nigga somehow that's racist. Even though the context is the EXACT SAME as the artist's because it's the artist's own words. Give me a break.
And then fucking ICE CUBE has the gall to chastise Bill for it too. He calls white women "cave bitches" on his new album, in addition to saying nigga constantly.
The groveling to PC culture never ends. I thought Bill Maher was above it. I was wrong.
And once again, I'm half-black. I've gotta mention that again or else I'm a white racist!
Your point is valid regardless of what shade your skin is.
I know, Dizzy Djinn. But my opinion is worth more to SJWs because I'm not white. That's why I mentioned it. They often dismiss the opinions of whites.
True, it's well-established that SJWs are racist.
+Kingsley de Jenga, Your logic should be applauded because it is getting very hard to find critical thinking in the masses these days. My friends will get offended when a white person makes the wrong assumption of them, "hablas espanol?". But if a fellow latino does the same thing, it's all chill.
THE FUCK?
You either care or you don't care. But I'm sick of these moments of stereotyping being labelled "racist microaggressions". Being ignorant, prejudice, or a dick doesn't make you racist, even if a racist is all of those things.
Kingsley de Jenga Right on, truth teller. Much respect, kings.
I agree with Dyson: What Bill did was a reflex; he was joking. He made a mistake. It's easy to joke about something you hear all the time; and most times, from Black comedians. "They" should be condemned and should have been from the beginning when we purposely introduced the word as acceptable among Black folk. It's NOT. Bill, keep doing your thing my 'brother". Signed: a "Brother"
People can only expect to be viewed as equals when they don't insist on hypocrisy.
EXACTLY
Bill Maher was only quoting what he's heard any number of times from Black comedians. He said what he said without malice. He was making a joke. Trying to be funny. That's it and that's all. No issue here.
that could very well be true.
Chaos Sector Bullshit. In a time when trump says shit out loud, you think anyone needs subtlety? Trump-i could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and i wouldn't lose votes. Trump-Retweeted a disingenuous meme that showed blacks kill whites more than whites kill whites. And that whites barely kill anyone else. Subtle? Pure steteotypical racism. You saying maher did this on purpose? Your powers of perception, suck.
I had no doubt that Bill said what he said with absolutely no malice...
What did he say??
"you made a mistake, we are all humans" - try this in 2021 Bill
People don't seem to grasp the sentiment behind the joke, which is (explicitly) Bill expressing that he's too delicate to work in the fields and (implicitly) that Republican economic policies would like to turn us all into slaves. No racism was remotely meant by this. Chris Rock has made it clear that the reason why he doesn't play college campuses is because instead of listening if a joke is funny, the students sit there and police if any of the words could remotely "trigger" anyone. To use an overused word, it's Orwellian.
And for Dyson to lecture Bill and then use the term "white boy" is pretty hypocritical and disgusting. Especially as a sociology professor. What would you think if someone had said during the Obama years, "Well, we have a black boy in the White House"? Would you think the guy's racist? Because I sure would. Blacks being racist against whites is not reverse racism; it's just racism. Deal with it.
Cassandra'sCurse Well spoken, Cassandra.
Thanks. I appreciate that : )
The use of "boy" in reference to men has been used to demean and disempower them by placing their social status on the level of children. Historically, since white men have held the reins of power throughout most of this country's existence, this has been directed towards black men and other minority men. But now that whites no longer have superior status, some minority speakers have felt at liberty to demean white men by using this term. It's just as racist as calling a black man "boy" and needs to be called out.
Cassandra'sCurse It'd be interesting to sit down and have a conversation with you and some others on here. It's not a proposal. Just whimsy. You seem a thinker. And you showcase the interest of thinking. So, there are some smart people commenting here. I've, got a feeling the smartest among us almost feel true hopelessness in the world around us. Perhaps its just subliminal. That must be why the smartest people aren't most of the populace of comment sections. Anyways, you dr braxy, DM584, jon davidson. It would be interesting to sit down with all of you, and some others here, to bounce thoughts off of.
thats a really interesting point, thankyou
"the comic mind goes to a weird place sometimes, it doesnt matter that it wasnt said in malice, if it brought pain to people, then i apologize"
LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'VE SAID YOUR ENTIRE LIFE ON TV BUT YOU'RE MAKING AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
ooDirtyMickoo I think he's just afraid to alienate his friends.
what friends of bill maher aren't aware of his reputation as "comedically blunt and unapologetic"
what a push over he is.
ooDirtyMickoo I think he over thought what certain friends would think of him afterwards. Simple human worry of losing closeness, made him retract something offensive to white republicans. Its weird, that the obvious lack of understanding context, shows prominently, these days. Same thing happened on Colberts show. Stephen Colberts show routinely insults trump amongst others. But he's usually doing it in such a way, that it goes over a lot of peoples heads, including, embarrassingly, our president. So, when Colbert did his monologue that he got in trouble for, he started with high brow things that were more defamatory, i was laughing my ass off. Then when he got to the low brow, one or two-liner insults, i personally was thinking what the fuck. You're smarter than these jokes. But, almost immediately, it dawned on me. That it was on purpose so a dumber person would know he was being insulted. Then I laughed my head off again, knowing the premise. And it worked! The trump camp got offended from the lower intelligence styled, jokes. And they went to spin it like he was homophobic. Genius monologue rooting out stupid people. I feel this joke from maher wasn't delivered perfectly, but good enough. How else do you stick it to people who are about shameless. What especially sucks about maher wanting to apologize for this was he also had to go all in, and apologize to the republican whom he stuck it to in the first place. Ahhhhgony.
It was simply a business decision. 😂
Cause that one group has been shitted on by a certain ONE GROUP of people in this country. It’s from one group to another. Apology accepted.
This man’s level of victimhood is so tiring. He’ll make a full blown car wreck out of a minor fender bender.
these 2 guys blew each other
Roberto Ramirez first time I've watched gay porn.
Love you Bill. These lectures were painful to watch. The joke was bad, sure, but that should have been the end of it, not all this BS. Just keep up the good fight.
I like Bill, but this is one opinion. I agree with part of it.
Mahr is still trying to soften what he said. APOLOGIZE AND REPAIR but he is not sincere and doesn't care
dyson is certainly a master at masking resentment in the cloak of acedemia. he reminds me of that character on In Living Color, the black muslim in prison who speaks like malcolm x, but makes up words (great skit btw).
Go watch Professor Black Truth episode on Bill Maher.
this is ridiculous. you have some black people that say nigga all the time and this guy is gonna school bill maher? he needs to school these rappers on saying nigga every two seconds in their lyrics.
Not the same. Rappers and other black people use the term as a means of defusing its racist context so the insult will carry less weight (because the word actually does have an inseparable racist element - it was coined during the slave trade and used widely to diminish black people and treat them as sub-human).
Refreshing to see how many people see through dyson.
Bill went through all of this for $$ financial reasons pure and simple which i can't really blame him for. This whole episode was bullshit.
I learnt a new thing on Psychology today; subversive or passive or victim narcissist...anyway, Bill keep doing you, I love your show :)
Some people are racist. I'm 30 i eas grown to love people. Quit talking about color just look at the kids
Ahh you know George Carlin wouldn't have backed down..
Now we can lean towards Jesus
The episode that made lose all my respect for Bill Maher. Eric Dyson and Ice Cube is going to lecture you on how to be sensitive with regard to race. Okay then.
You shouldn't. Maher was laughing most of the time, don't think he took any of this seriously. + look at people in the comments, except for trolls, everyone mocks the mean mad black man. I feel it was just a joke video, so people see what democrats bring nowadays
If you actually had any respect for bill Maher you are LAME
It must be exhausting viewing the world through Dyson’s lens.
I had no problem of Bill using that analogy. It was really funny to me and I've been black all my life.
Michael (Oswald Bates) Dyson has 20 -30 three to four syllable words that he repeats and rearranges again and again, often incorrectly, and the semi literate think he is smart. I would so love to debate with him while dressed like him and doing an impression of him.
@@blackphilip8936 "outrageous, egregious, preposterous!"
Preach the truth brother like you always do I am a fan
The reason why Dyson thinks he is not racist is because he supports and pushes the redefinition of racism, which is not coherent and results in the justified dislike of him or anyone else who agrees with such a statement/opinion.
The debate he had with Jordan Peterson is a perfect example why many, myself included, dislike people like this.
It would've been more interesting to have Thomas Sowell there instead of Dyson, although, I think it is also important to listen to people like him, in order to be cautious about letting people similiar to Dyson get in positions of power, because they will do more harm than good, even though they think they have good intentions.
Lets focus on racism, not on Bill Maher who is obviously not a racist. His bad "N" joke is really nothing to talk about.
"Lets work in the fields" is definitely a trigger for "N" word in a comedic mind and quick witted people sometimes are too quick for their own good.