EG4 6000XP (and 12000XP) Settings Part 2: AC Coupling, Smart Port and Working Modes

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  • @AdamDeLayDIY
    @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому

    Note: The settings seem to be the same for both the 6000XP and the 12000XP. There may be some value differences between the individual inverters due to the output power, but the options should be the same (at least on the EG4 Monitoring website).
    UPDATE (1/9/25): After doing more testing, apparently the "Grid Always On" toggle for the Smart Load means when the inverter is in bypass mode, not when the grid is available. I hope EG4 clarifies their help bubble with a little more information than just "when the grid is on".
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  • @bitmanone4657
    @bitmanone4657 2 місяці тому +9

    Thanks for making these videos. You're helping the community out significantly. I just pulled the trigger a few weeks ago for one 6000XP, 2 LLs and 4kW of bifacials. Installed everything over Thanksgiving week. 3 days of solid, sun up, sun down work. After it was all said and done, I had no surprises. Everything is working as expected and I'm extremely pleased with the results. Little sore from hauling 80lbs panels up on the roof, but managed with no trips to the ER. I would say for anyone looking to install one of these EG4 systems, take it slow and watch a lot of these UA-cam videos, like yours. So far, after 6 days of being online, I've generated 52kWh of power (~$7.25). Only 3-4 years to go before it pays for itself🤣. Seriously though, well worth it due to being able to store power. Thanks again!

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@bitmanone4657 that’s awesome! Glad you were able to get things online safely! Enjoy and have fun with it!

    • @tjmooney4181
      @tjmooney4181 2 місяці тому

      Nice setup, I love bifacial panels but wouldn't recommend them for roof mount systems due to being heavier and not being able to take advantage of the bifacial gains being mounted so close to a roof

    • @bitmanone4657
      @bitmanone4657 2 місяці тому

      @@tjmooney4181 Agreed. Normally, these are better suited where the sun or reflection can hit the backsides, but cost per watt, along with limited, optimal locations were the determining factors. They were very inexpensive.

  • @tonydewaal7581
    @tonydewaal7581 2 місяці тому +4

    Awesome video, thank you for the information. This and the first video you made have been my go to source for setting up my 6000xp's correctly.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@tonydewaal7581 awesome! Glad to hear they’ve helped out!

  • @brentfrank7012
    @brentfrank7012 Місяць тому

    This is fantastic. I’ve been on the phone with EG4 & SS discussing my best options, but I love learning more, keep this stuff coming. Just subscribed. Thank you.

  • @tjmooney4181
    @tjmooney4181 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks so much. I install so many of these inverters. I really appreciate you explaining all the settings in great detail. 🎉

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks TJ. Now we just have to hope that I'm correct in my explanations! 🤣

  • @Cross75777
    @Cross75777 Місяць тому

    you have helped me so much to understand some of the do’s and don’ts as a newbie, I wish you and your family a wonderful 2025.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому

      @@Cross75777 glad to be able to help out! Happy new year to you and your family as well!

  • @UnkyjoesPlayhouse
    @UnkyjoesPlayhouse 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the information, especially handy pairing this unit with my Victron Multiplus II48v. I opted to use shared battery/dc circuit option instead of A/C coupling, but it's nice to know it now supports this feature, still loving this unit of mine, it runs all my minisplit/heat pumps in the house x 4.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@UnkyjoesPlayhouse awesome! Glad it’s still working well for you!

    • @Scat.original
      @Scat.original 2 місяці тому

      What do you mean by pairing this unit with my Victron Multiplus II48v?

    • @UnkyjoesPlayhouse
      @UnkyjoesPlayhouse 2 місяці тому

      @@Scat.original I run this unit and my Victron MP2 on the same battery bank.

  • @SimonReilly-cd3ck
    @SimonReilly-cd3ck 2 місяці тому

    Adam excellently explained , as usual. I had had my charging settings on my two EG4 xp 6000 set for SOC , I switched over yesterday to SOC and time , and had a peek at my app this morning , and these new setting didn’t activate . I looked at the web interface and the new setting so read but for some reason they have not activated . I set them to charge at midnight to 5am to reach 99% SOC.
    Thank you again

  • @Roll2Videos
    @Roll2Videos 2 місяці тому

    I'll watch this in closer detail once I get up and running. Thank you Adam

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@Roll2Videos glad to help! You’re gonna have a wall of gear up in no time. Gotta make sure you can switch between all of it to power the barn!

    • @Roll2Videos
      @Roll2Videos 2 місяці тому

      @AdamDeLayDIY Currently, I'm working on finding out why it takes two breakers to turn off one circuit in the house 🤦 previous owners did something wrong, and I need to find it. 😤

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      @ ugh, those are never fun. Good luck!

  • @Mkiepert
    @Mkiepert 2 місяці тому +3

    Great video. I wasn’t aware of the upgrades, let alone the features. I thought you did a great job explaining the features.

  • @EastTexasHomestead
    @EastTexasHomestead 13 днів тому

    Super helpful, Adam! Thanks!

  • @bobcole3852
    @bobcole3852 2 місяці тому

    Clear and concise! Lossa nice new feature options. Thanks for good explanations

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@bobcole3852 thanks Bob. Was hoping it wasn’t too confusing regarding the “working modes”.

  • @MOKPT3
    @MOKPT3 2 місяці тому

    Thanks again. I just looked into my power company. They a plan with a flat charge, free power from 6-9am and holidays, 1.8 cent per kW all other times. I'll have to look into this. It could be perfect for me!

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      Wow, that's awesome! If that's the case, then I would DEFINITELY program that free range into the working modes and take advantage of that free power! Good luck! Let me know how it goes!

  • @jetfirers5139
    @jetfirers5139 2 місяці тому

    Excellent video! ❤

  • @sh839c
    @sh839c 2 місяці тому

    Excellent presentation

  • @7AVMedia
    @7AVMedia 8 днів тому

    Great information, thank you. When connecting a 240v generator to the 6000XP, should it be an inverter generator or just a regular generator (non inverter), does it matter? Is there a minimum watt rating for the generator if you are using it to charge the battery bank, and maybe running a few light loads (light, camera, router etc.).

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  8 днів тому +1

      It's better if you can use an inverter generator. The open frame generators usually have a poor THD factor.
      When sizing generators to provide both adequate power and frequency, keep in mind that the THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) of the generator must be

    • @7AVMedia
      @7AVMedia 7 днів тому

      @@AdamDeLayDIY Thank you so much for this, very helpful information.

  • @Time-Trvlr
    @Time-Trvlr 2 місяці тому

    AC Coupling Caution: This option is intended for Micro Inverters. We know that Micro Inverters output AC and that they only Output when they are connected to a AC source. At that they sequence their sinusoidal output to match the grid. If we get creative with the AC Coupling option and connect a out of phase AC source other than Micro Inverters there will be a out of phase collision of voltage that Will be a direct short circuit in that function of the inverter. As I pointed out before the Solar Micro Inverters sequence their output to match the grid.
    AC Coupling should be considered to be only used with Micro Inverters or a device that has the ability to shift its sign-wave into a sequenced phase.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      Great comment, thank you! Yeah, I've talked to a lot of people who just think they can connect any inverter to use AC Coupling and I've had to explain it doesn't work like that.

  • @nanjetyje9447
    @nanjetyje9447 2 місяці тому

    If you connect a grid tie inverter to the smart port for ac coupling can you still sell/export to the grid in the ac in of 6000xp ? After your battery is full & loads are satisfied

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      That's a great question. Based on a conversation that I had with someone else (and the fact that these are off-grid inverters) I'm gonna say no you cannot sell back to the grid if you use AC Coupling on the 6000XP. It sounds like once your inverter switches over to grid from battery, the AC Coupling stops working to prevent any power from flowing backwards to the grid.
      Since the 6000XP is an off-grid inverter, it doesn't have any of the hybrid inverter safety features needed to sell back to the grid.

  • @offgridwanabe
    @offgridwanabe 2 місяці тому

    Question can you charge with 120 volts in generator mode?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@offgridwanabe yes you can as long as you have updated to the latest firmware version. The one caveat is that when you use only 120v input, you only get 120v output as well. Only the devices on L1 will be powered because the power from the generator is passed straight through to the AC Output.

  • @CarstenDressler
    @CarstenDressler 2 місяці тому

    Not sure if you mentioned in your video. But AC first has to be off before AC Coupling works. I did a test a few weeks ago with 4x Enphase micro inverters

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@CarstenDressler I didn’t know that. Doesn’t make much sense why though. Did you ask EG4 about it?

    • @CarstenDressler
      @CarstenDressler 2 місяці тому

      @ no didn’t reach out to them. Assumed it was some technical limitations

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +2

      @ it makes me wonder if that’s how they can make sure that no power flows back to the grid. When your running off battery power, the grid relay is open. Still, a good find! Thanks for sharing!

  • @Cross75777
    @Cross75777 Місяць тому

    Thanks Adam. Can I test that the system is working nominally by turning of main house breaker, the system should keep electricity on in house, am I correct? I tried that and there was no power, I am sure it’s a setting issue, I will try not to bother you with my newbie questions 😊

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому

      As long as you have the EPS switch turned on (left side of the inverter, different from power switch), if grid power is removed the battery should take over automatically.

    • @Cross75777
      @Cross75777 Місяць тому

      @ Hi Adam, I can’t get a simple answer to a question from company. Do I connect a line to the (Load) to an existing line, say an outlet. Not that I would do that, its the concept I’m trying to understand. Right now I have one cable to breaker box for the 110/200 from inverter ( Grid) How do I get the (load) to the house grid ? Do I just connect to an outlet? Could I connect that load line to the water heater?Thank you so much for your help Adam, I wish you were in Miami, I would hire you quickly

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому

      @@Cross75777 You could wire an outlet directly off the load port but most people tend to wire up what's called a "critical loads" panel to the load port.
      The Load port is for anything you want the inverter to power. Most people tend to wire a Critical Loads panel to the Load port of the inverter (it's just another breaker panel). You would move any loads from your grid panel into your critical loads panel.
      You would then be able to run a set of lines from your grid panel into the Grid port on the inverter. This would allow you to charge your batteries from the grid (if desired) or to have grid power pass through the inverter to the Load port in the event that your batteries got too low.

    • @Cross75777
      @Cross75777 Місяць тому

      @ so, if I have the grid line on inverter connected to the house grid on main breaker box, could I connect the (load) on inverter to an outlet ( say a 220 outlet next to the inverter) without sparks flying

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому

      ​@@Cross75777 If you're asking if you could run a cable with a plug on the end of it (a suicide plug) from your load port to a 220 outlet in the wall that has it's power supplied from the grid panel, no you cannot.
      If you're asking if you could wire up a dedicated 220 outlet into the Load port of the inverter, technically you could.
      You cannot have 2 separate power sources run into the same breaker panel (without some kind of isolation between the two so they can never be turned on at the same time).

  • @flopackrc5452
    @flopackrc5452 2 місяці тому

    Great video Adam but you were limited on smart load and how that works could you elaborate how to hook it up and what it actually does. Thanks champ

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      @@flopackrc5452 thanks.
      So the smart load uses the generator breaker and replaces that function. It allows you to have a programmable load and allows you to determine when it turns on and off.
      Think of it like a light timer except instead of turning on and off at a certain time of the day, it will turn on and off based on the battery level (or PV/grid).
      You would just enable the feature and then wire your load up to the generator breaker.
      Hope that helps!

    • @flopackrc5452
      @flopackrc5452 2 місяці тому

      @AdamDeLayDIY thanks brother so it's jt like Ac terminal so will it split the 240v 6000watt ?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @ you bet!
      Can’t remember the limits off hand but I would assume they would be similar to the generator specs. I believe it does work in tandem with the main AC Out though, so you don’t get an additional 6000w of output.
      You do get a 240v, split phase output. I guess you could probably wire up 2, 120v loads if you wanted to as well.

  • @DIYJim-wx6hq
    @DIYJim-wx6hq 2 місяці тому

    Now that you have had both EG4 and Victron, which brand overall do you think is higher quality, which for the average person has better support? I have Victron and the manuals and volume of online data is verge good. Your thoughts?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      I would have to say that Victron still seems to be a higher quality. I've heard of less issues with Victron systems than I have with EG4 systems. Now that's not to say that EG4 hardware is peppered with issues, cause it's not. They've put out a lot of great hardware in the last couple years.
      Support wise, well that's really gonna depend on where you purchase your hardware from (since you really don't purchase directly from either company). Both companies seem to do a great job listening to the community.
      I really don't think there's any other company out there that has more customization than Victron. Even just yesterday I learned that they have another beta feature which allows you to turn an old Android tablet into a wireless Remote Console. Very sweet! The programmability and configuration options is really second to none. Also, like you mentioned, they have TONS of documentation and information regarding all their products.
      EG4 on the other hand is constantly releasing new products at low prices. Since they're based in the US, they're constantly focusing on needs of folks within the US. Unfortunately, it does seem like the US isn't super high on the priority list for Victron (ex. the UL listing for the MP2 5kVA is still "pending").
      Not sure if that helped or answered your questions...

  • @tjmooney4181
    @tjmooney4181 2 місяці тому

    Is there a way to set up auto start generator using the 6000xp without a chargeverter

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      Yeah. So there is a way to use a two-wire start to auto-start/stop a generator. It's using the terminal block near the battery comms/parallel ports.
      eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/EG4-6000XP-Manual.pdf
      Take a look at page 18.

    • @tjmooney4181
      @tjmooney4181 2 місяці тому

      @AdamDeLayDIY thanks I've never used them because I always add chargeverters to my installs but glad to know the dry contacts on inverter work the same 🙏

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@tjmooney4181 Not a problem! Yeah the chargeverter does make things a lot more flexible for the install. There's a lot less to figure out (size of genny, thd, etc).

  • @joeldcoxks
    @joeldcoxks 2 місяці тому +1

    I don’t think AC coupling is limited to micro-inverters. I think any AC coupled capable inverter would work

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +2

      It's not, the micro-inverter was just an example. I've found that some people get confused when you say "PV inverter" but they're familiar with micro-inverters.
      Thanks for clarifying.

    • @joeldcoxks
      @joeldcoxks 2 місяці тому

      @@AdamDeLayDIYis there a maximum power for AC coupling on the 6000XP?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @ Since it uses the generator port, I would assume it’s 7kW, but that’s just my guess.

  • @Sword-trowel
    @Sword-trowel 2 місяці тому

    Do you have a video for the in app local connect settings?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@Sword-trowel are you looking for how to use the local connect option or just the settings in the app?

    • @Sword-trowel
      @Sword-trowel 2 місяці тому

      @ how to use the setting in the app?
      How do i stop charging the batteries with the gird? I only want to charge with solar

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      @@Sword-trowel I don't have anything specific for the app, but the terminology should match between the website and the app. You would want to look under the "Charge Setting" section for AC Charge and disable it. That would prevent charging from the grid.

    • @Sword-trowel
      @Sword-trowel 2 місяці тому

      @@AdamDeLayDIY i wad able to do it with your help, TY!

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @ awesome! Have fun!

  • @Time-Trvlr
    @Time-Trvlr 2 місяці тому

    is the AC Couple input 240 split phase?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      I haven't heard one way or the other. I would assume it is split phase. That's a great question though. I'll see if I can find any specifics out.

  • @MCBuildNH
    @MCBuildNH 28 днів тому

    Hello
    The only thing I’m confused about in the smart port is that even when enabled to always on with grid it only comes on if the grid is charging the battery. I thought it would be able to have a constant pass through with always on with grid enabled.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  28 днів тому

      @@MCBuildNH the always on with grid should keep the smart port active or alive as long as grid is available. It won’t pull power only from the grid but it will remain “usable” and ignore the other settings till the grid goes away.

    • @MCBuildNH
      @MCBuildNH 27 днів тому

      @@AdamDeLayDIY I guess where I’m confused is you said the smart port will be alive as long as the grid is available. What I’m seeing on my 12,000xp is the port does not put out power unless the grid is actively feeding the inverter because of the battery being charged or if the inverter is running on grid only. I really wished it could just be turned on with grid power as a passthrough based on time and have everything else still run off the battery.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  26 днів тому

      @@MCBuildNH I ran some more tests again tonight and I'm seeing the same thing you are. I could have sworn that I saw in the past where as long as there was grid power (no matter if you were running on battery or grid) the port would be active. I'll be the first to say that the "help bubble" is less than informative. "When the grid is on" could mean multiple things.
      Sorry about that.

    • @MCBuildNH
      @MCBuildNH 26 днів тому

      @@AdamDeLayDIYyes I wish it could be turned on running grid. Even if the rest is on battery. Would greatly help separating loads that you don’t want disturbing battery power. I thought that was the whole point. But it either shuts down battery use all together or on a timer only using battery.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  26 днів тому

      @@MCBuildNH Yeah, since the Smart Load feature was a software modification, it can't be powered directly by the grid since the gen port is just bonded to the same bus that the AC Out is using.
      Since you want grid all the time, couldn't your load just be connected to your grid panel and bypass the inverter?

  • @KeithOlbermannn
    @KeithOlbermannn 2 місяці тому

    Does that mean the 12000xp can now ac couple? If i remember correctly that was not a feature that was included, at least i don't remember any of the youtubers talking about it,

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@KeithOlbermannn yes it can. I just checked the manual and the “smart port” can be used for a smart load or ac coupling.

  • @randya9143
    @randya9143 2 місяці тому

    So, as far as AC coupling goes, could I put my Anker F3800 on the input of the 6000xp for extra battery capacity when the grid is down and my 6000xp batteries are below 20 % ?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      @@randya9143 you wouldn’t be able to use the AC coupling feature because that’s used for PV inverters. What you could do though is use the F3800 as a generator for the 6000xp. You would just want to make sure that you configure the generator options for the capabilities of the F3800.

  • @jimslickster6621
    @jimslickster6621 Місяць тому

    Adam - have a question about the Smart Load - If you set Grid Always on (because grid is connected) and run out of battery at night - does the Smart Load provide EPS, or will the Smart Load breaker just turn itself off? Guess my question , without testing myself, is if the Smart Load will pass through grid power to load once batteries drain and the inverter switches automatically over to grid?

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому +1

      If you have a smart load enable with Grid Always On and your inverter reaches the On Grid EOD value (where it switches from battery power to grid power) the smart load will remain powered by the grid. I just went through and tested it.

    • @jimslickster6621
      @jimslickster6621 Місяць тому

      @@AdamDeLayDIYthank you for testing and letting me know. Much appreciated.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  Місяць тому

      @ glad to help!

  • @royamberg9177
    @royamberg9177 2 місяці тому

    lot of diffrent ways to use the piece of equipment

  • @Time-Trvlr
    @Time-Trvlr 2 місяці тому

    The new alternative maintenance page spills off the right hand side of my ios latest iPad. Unable to view it and no way to change resolution, using Safari.
    Found that changing the font size in my browser altered the size of the viewable screen. My font is now is now 80%.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@Time-Trvlr yeah I’ve found that it does need some updates to make it more responsive. There’s a handful of UI tweaks they could do to resolve some issues.

  • @HybridShedIraq
    @HybridShedIraq 2 місяці тому

    Actually, the settings are a little bit on the difficult side 😅.

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому

      @@HybridShedIraq which ones?

    • @HybridShedIraq
      @HybridShedIraq 2 місяці тому

      @AdamDeLayDIY for the lux power compared with other brands

    • @AdamDeLayDIY
      @AdamDeLayDIY  2 місяці тому +1

      @ I guess it does depend on what other products you compare it to. I’ve seen some with better UX and I’ve seen some with much worse…. 😁

  • @quickquote1568
    @quickquote1568 Місяць тому

    Don't be fooled. These inverters use the same exact design and components that's found in cheap Harbor Freight 6kW inverters. The only difference is that the manufacturer has added the inverter's PCB into a much larger, heavier gauge metal box to give the appearance of a heavier duty product and have added an MPPT circuit and a few low cost circuit breakers. They still offer shorter life expectancies, far poorer surge capacities, are overpriced, and because they lack an output transformer, they can easily damage your appliances or EV. No thanks!