Mark Sollors, not only one of the best style and one-foot game in the game, judging by the way you talk about the technicality and the nuances of the product, I know you’re the real deal. Im glad my years of admiration didn’t go for nothing ! Bravo amigo mío !!! (ex R&D and product tester for various brands, currently a snowboarding nomad)
@@drsnowboard of course not, but I appreciate hearing their thoughts and how they use the gear... different perspective than an average rider reviewing gear
Give them a shot now, if you have the cash. It’s a pretty mature product at this stage and they work great. I have both strap and steps on bindings and really dig the step ons.
Really cool thought on the base bushing in regard to different designs, re: the hinge, and canting. I worked at one of the Vail shops for three seasons, so I’ve know about step on since 2013. I love Burton design, just really great stuff
For a weight comparison the medium EST Genesis Step On are 1480g vs 1700g for the ReFlex Genesis Step On (I have both). The Supermatic carbon are just under 3000g a pair. The weight of the new EST’s are noticeably lighter and unless you plan on using the Step On’s on anything other than the channel system they are superior in every way to the ReFlex version. Please Burton make the X version in the EST form factor for next year. I love the carbon X’s on my Mega Death and would love to have the EST carbon X on my Custom X 🙏
But in that weight comparison you're not considering that the Step On boots are substantially heavier than a regular pair of boots that you'd ride on Supermatics, plus to the unconditional stiffness that you are obliged to have with a step on boot, as the boot needs to maintain the extra stiffness to ensure the attachment to the Step On system. With my Supermatic I can wear whatever boots I like and the riding feeling is exactly the same as with a conventional binding, which is not the case when I have been testing Step On.
@@Santi27Cripthe Burton Step On boots are not significantly heavier than their counterparts. The @goodride did a comparison between Step On, Standard Strap and Supermatic using the photon boots US 10 and medium bindings for comparison, the supermatic weighed in at 700grams heavier as a pair than the Supermatics which almost the weight of an extra medium step on binding bolted to your board. For me I have K2 Ender boots size US 11 with K2 Lien FS bindings and compared with my Photon Soft US 11 with large Step On Reflex the Step On combo is only 95 grams heavier per pair which is insignificant. My photon boots are 150 grams lighter than my Enders per pair. Step On Reflex is nearly as light as strap bindings where Supermatics are not, the advantage that it has as you mentioned is boot compatibility. Consider this that most boards of 157-160 weigh in at around 3kg how would think by adding 700- 800 grams of dead mass would make it feel?
@@Santi27Crip I was not suggesting the Step On’s are superior to the Supermatic. That is completely rider preference. As you brought it up though, the weight difference in boots is almost non existent. The difference between the Photon Step On and regular Photon is less than 50g. So may I ask your basis and an example of the same boot in both versions as being “substantially heavier”? Extra stiffness to ensure attachment to the Step On system?? No offence but that is just factually incorrect on every level. The range of available Step On boots from Burton, DC, Nitro go from soft to stiff. There are no differences whatsoever. Step On technology does not need a stiff boot to function, it has zero to do with the stiffness of the boot. This seems to be the main point of your post “With my Supermatic I can wear whatever boots I like and the riding feeling is exactly the same as with a conventional binding, which is not the case when I have been testing Step On.” This is fair enough and as I said I am not saying the Step On system is superior as that is personal preference. The “riding feeling” you describe is a direct result of what you are use to and muscle memory, nothing more. Again no problem with someone using whatever they want to use but the arguments you make against, except for personal preference, are factually incorrect.
You didn't do any quad corks or win any Olympic gold medals in this video, so how can I trust these to hold up when I cruise groomers five days a year? /s
The bummer with EST is if you want to play with posi/posi you can only go to 25 degrees in the front and 15 degrees in the back. I thought the EST were heavier than my Re:flex Genesis bindings, too.
My first impression when I heard about these was that I already have the Step-on Reflex, so “I’m good” (plus I just bought a pair of Step-on Split bindings, so “ca-ching!”).. but after watching your review, now I can see how there are some good improvements it offers - I’m curious if the footbed cushion uses the same mechanism to snap down in? I found that problematic and prone to misalignment and wear on my current pair. Great episode on TBH btw, hearing about catalyst moments was 🔥
Move in the right direction. Saw guys last year having issues with the standard 4 bolt bindings on a channel mount Burton. Bolts wouldn't stay tight and he could only use two bolts. (at least this is what I recall). This makes me consider a new board/binding system this season...well....at least a Burton solution.
Thanks for the honest review .. would like to see them in deep pow or heavy impacts to see that they hold up being softer.. I guess being a old head im still scared from the step ons of olden times … also have they fixed the super cold temp issues w the plastics yet? Or can it still Break sub freezing temperatures ?
How much snow filled up the tracks where the adjustment screws mount? One major advantage of re-flex on a channel board is quick adjustment and the screws don’t get covered in snow/slush/ice if you want to change stance during the day
To be honest,I didn't notice it at all. The conditions were spring slush and even looking at the footage I don't see much snow in there. I would imagine come winter powder there will be some snow and ice build up in there. I'll try and remember to update you when I get in deep snow this winter.
I've used est in the past and never had a problem with snow or ice in the screws and if you did you could probably easily remove it with the screwdriver.
Having ridden EST bindings for several years, I personally prefer RELFEX now for an improvement in my riding feel and have been able to adapt to various riding conditions on any board. I have also transitioned to stepons, which have proven to be a game-changer. While I have experimented with other bindings like Genesis, my preference has always been for Malavitas. Malavitas are known for their exceptional responsiveness and stiffness, which are highly sought after by riders. However, it’s important to note that while Genesis offer comfort, they may not provide the same level of responsiveness. In conclusion, I have chosen not to use Genesis bindings due to their lack of durability and reliability. Additionally, I have observed that the web high backs on Genesis frames tend to deteriorate over time, rendering them less functional. Therefore, I prioritize durability and reliability in my binding selection. Stepon, reflex is what I prefer. 🤷♂️👊
High back rotation? To get the highbacks aligned with the edges? This was the big advantage of "old" burton bindings above a lot of competitors. Seems that with the step on system it is not possible?
Had EST for a long time and let them go because the posi-posi angle stances are VERY limited. I don't know what the max posi angles are on these or new non step-ons but my Cartels were anything but "infinite".
Was hoping for the ability to adjust the high back horizontally like on regular quality bindings. That a is a bit of a game stopper for soft boot carving.
I've been snowboarding for 30 years and have read that its best to swivel the high back but have never done it and don't seem to have a problem carving. Does it really make that much difference?.
@@bob6693if you run aggressive posi posi angles it makes a difference when leaning front foot. Most of the hardcore carvers in Japan might run step on rear but not front for that very reason
If they had a satisfaction guarantee id consider it. They're too expensive to be a guinea with no recourse if you find they're not working to your liking.
Thanks for the great review Mark. I'm thinking of swapping over from the Cartel EST to the same bindings you've reviewed. The Step On Genesis EST Currently I haven't tried any step ons, but this is about to change. I have also just watched this review: ua-cam.com/video/5vJ5C36hXBo/v-deo.html Where he suggests there's a problem with hitting the hammock when trying to step in. From your vid, obviously you have no issue with this. Have you ever had any problems with this. Has anyone else? Also how will these differ from the Cartels Thanks very much in advance
You are very good at reviews, really insightful and comprehensive.
Mark Sollors, not only one of the best style and one-foot game in the game, judging by the way you talk about the technicality and the nuances of the product, I know you’re the real deal. Im glad my years of admiration didn’t go for nothing ! Bravo amigo mío !!!
(ex R&D and product tester for various brands, currently a snowboarding nomad)
@@TheSnowSensei 野生叔叔
It's really cool that you do these reviews, Mark. More pros should do stuff like this.
He's a Burton Team athlete ? Do you think this is independent ??
@@drsnowboard of course not, but I appreciate hearing their thoughts and how they use the gear... different perspective than an average rider reviewing gear
Man I can’t wait to try these on my new hometown!
I hope Burton keeps developing the technology. I will buy in a few years if they do.
Give them a shot now, if you have the cash. It’s a pretty mature product at this stage and they work great. I have both strap and steps on bindings and really dig the step ons.
Literally been waiting on these for over 10 years, can’t wait to rip em
Really cool thought on the base bushing in regard to different designs, re: the hinge, and canting. I worked at one of the Vail shops for three seasons, so I’ve know about step on since 2013. I love Burton design, just really great stuff
For a weight comparison the medium EST Genesis Step On are 1480g vs 1700g for the ReFlex Genesis Step On (I have both). The Supermatic carbon are just under 3000g a pair. The weight of the new EST’s are noticeably lighter and unless you plan on using the Step On’s on anything other than the channel system they are superior in every way to the ReFlex version. Please Burton make the X version in the EST form factor for next year. I love the carbon X’s on my Mega Death and would love to have the EST carbon X on my Custom X 🙏
But in that weight comparison you're not considering that the Step On boots are substantially heavier than a regular pair of boots that you'd ride on Supermatics, plus to the unconditional stiffness that you are obliged to have with a step on boot, as the boot needs to maintain the extra stiffness to ensure the attachment to the Step On system. With my Supermatic I can wear whatever boots I like and the riding feeling is exactly the same as with a conventional binding, which is not the case when I have been testing Step On.
@@Santi27Cripthe Burton Step On boots are not significantly heavier than their counterparts. The @goodride did a comparison between Step On, Standard Strap and Supermatic using the photon boots US 10 and medium bindings for comparison, the supermatic weighed in at 700grams heavier as a pair than the Supermatics which almost the weight of an extra medium step on binding bolted to your board. For me I have K2 Ender boots size US 11 with K2 Lien FS bindings and compared with my Photon Soft US 11 with large Step On Reflex the Step On combo is only 95 grams heavier per pair which is insignificant. My photon boots are 150 grams lighter than my Enders per pair. Step On Reflex is nearly as light as strap bindings where Supermatics are not, the advantage that it has as you mentioned is boot compatibility. Consider this that most boards of 157-160 weigh in at around 3kg how would think by adding 700- 800 grams of dead mass would make it feel?
@@Santi27Crip I was not suggesting the Step On’s are superior to the Supermatic. That is completely rider preference. As you brought it up though, the weight difference in boots is almost non existent.
The difference between the Photon Step On and regular Photon is less than 50g. So may I ask your basis and an example of the same boot in both versions as being “substantially heavier”?
Extra stiffness to ensure attachment to the Step On system?? No offence but that is just factually incorrect on every level. The range of available Step On boots from Burton, DC, Nitro go from soft to stiff. There are no differences whatsoever. Step On technology does not need a stiff boot to function, it has zero to do with the stiffness of the boot.
This seems to be the main point of your post “With my Supermatic I can wear whatever boots I like and the riding feeling is exactly the same as with a conventional binding, which is not the case when I have been testing Step On.” This is fair enough and as I said I am not saying the Step On system is superior as that is personal preference. The “riding feeling” you describe is a direct result of what you are use to and muscle memory, nothing more.
Again no problem with someone using whatever they want to use but the arguments you make against, except for personal preference, are factually incorrect.
Those are those new step on boots, I saw the product team testing them in Steamboat, looked sick, but was told they were top secret.
Look a bit like the DCs or Vans with covered laces for deeper days
What brand are they?
I can neither confirm nor deny what you're saying.
@@BurtonSnowboards😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@BurtonSnowboards BUT.. can you confirm when they will launch! :)
The Channel system is underrated
Yo from 🇬🇧 Thanks for the review. 🤙🏻❄️
You didn't do any quad corks or win any Olympic gold medals in this video, so how can I trust these to hold up when I cruise groomers five days a year?
/s
TROLL;-)
The bummer with EST is if you want to play with posi/posi you can only go to 25 degrees in the front and 15 degrees in the back. I thought the EST were heavier than my Re:flex Genesis bindings, too.
That was a problem for me too with EST.
The EST’s are 220g lighter than the ReFlex. I have and weighted both.
My first impression when I heard about these was that I already have the Step-on Reflex, so “I’m good” (plus I just bought a pair of Step-on Split bindings, so “ca-ching!”).. but after watching your review, now I can see how there are some good improvements it offers - I’m curious if the footbed cushion uses the same mechanism to snap down in? I found that problematic and prone to misalignment and wear on my current pair.
Great episode on TBH btw, hearing about catalyst moments was 🔥
I was looking at images somewhere else, and I'm pretty sure the side clips are easily replaceable now
island snow gang represent
Move in the right direction. Saw guys last year having issues with the standard 4 bolt bindings on a channel mount Burton. Bolts wouldn't stay tight and he could only use two bolts. (at least this is what I recall). This makes me consider a new board/binding system this season...well....at least a Burton solution.
Hey Mark! What boots are you wearing?
Thanks for the honest review .. would like to see them in deep pow or heavy impacts to see that they hold up being softer.. I guess being a old head im still scared from the step ons of olden times … also have they fixed the super cold temp issues w the plastics yet? Or can it still
Break sub freezing temperatures ?
I have used Step Ons for 3 seasons in -10/
-18C temps. Haven't had any problems at those temps.
How much snow filled up the tracks where the adjustment screws mount? One major advantage of re-flex on a channel board is quick adjustment and the screws don’t get covered in snow/slush/ice if you want to change stance during the day
To be honest,I didn't notice it at all. The conditions were spring slush and even looking at the footage I don't see much snow in there. I would imagine come winter powder there will be some snow and ice build up in there. I'll try and remember to update you when I get in deep snow this winter.
I've used est in the past and never had a problem with snow or ice in the screws and if you did you could probably easily remove it with the screwdriver.
Having ridden EST bindings for several years, I personally prefer RELFEX now for an improvement in my riding feel and have been able to adapt to various riding conditions on any board. I have also transitioned to stepons, which have proven to be a game-changer. While I have experimented with other bindings like Genesis, my preference has always been for Malavitas. Malavitas are known for their exceptional responsiveness and stiffness, which are highly sought after by riders. However, it’s important to note that while Genesis offer comfort, they may not provide the same level of responsiveness.
In conclusion, I have chosen not to use Genesis bindings due to their lack of durability and reliability. Additionally, I have observed that the web high backs on Genesis frames tend to deteriorate over time, rendering them less functional. Therefore, I prioritize durability and reliability in my binding selection. Stepon, reflex is what I prefer. 🤷♂️👊
High back rotation? To get the highbacks aligned with the edges? This was the big advantage of "old" burton bindings above a lot of competitors. Seems that with the step on system it is not possible?
What board are you on in the intro?
Best in the biz. Let me have a go with those will ya Mark?
what are those boots?
Awesome interview with the bomb hole squad
Had EST for a long time and let them go because the posi-posi angle stances are VERY limited. I don't know what the max posi angles are on these or new non step-ons but my Cartels were anything but "infinite".
Was hoping for the ability to adjust the high back horizontally like on regular quality bindings. That a is a bit of a game stopper for soft boot carving.
I've been snowboarding for 30 years and have read that its best to swivel the high back but have never done it and don't seem to have a problem carving. Does it really make that much difference?.
@@bob6693if you run aggressive posi posi angles it makes a difference when leaning front foot. Most of the hardcore carvers in Japan might run step on rear but not front for that very reason
Dude, let's shred this winter. I just picked up a pair and can't wait to try them.
If you remove the hammock do they become "normal" Step Ons?
So EST Stepon Genesis are softer. Hymmm. Bought them and I wonder if they are not to soft for Home Town Hero ?
I have the mine77 est version from a few years back. They are okay. But i guess the new ones got better
How would you describe the durability and longevity of these for someone who rides 200 days a year?
If they had a satisfaction guarantee id consider it. They're too expensive to be a guinea with no recourse if you find they're not working to your liking.
Thanks for the great review Mark.
I'm thinking of swapping over from the Cartel EST to the same bindings you've reviewed. The Step On Genesis EST
Currently I haven't tried any step ons, but this is about to change.
I have also just watched this review: ua-cam.com/video/5vJ5C36hXBo/v-deo.html
Where he suggests there's a problem with hitting the hammock when trying to step in. From your vid, obviously you have no issue with this.
Have you ever had any problems with this. Has anyone else?
Also how will these differ from the Cartels
Thanks very much in advance