I read an interview somewhere where they asked Iizuka why this "Handheld" celebration didn't have gameboy advance or Game Gear games represented, iizuka chuckled and said something like "The game gear games? Those are too old" Right. So best replace them with something more trendy and new like...Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, 1991. Sigh.
Amen to that, everyone knows green hill zone, and we don't want to upset them with new or different things. Let's shove in Green Hill Zone in all Sonic games from now on and don't upset people with unique and interesting concepts. And thus the 2010 era of Sonic truly began.
As someone who grew up with Generations 3DS and are recently replaying, I got say that while I see what you mean, I still thoroughly love Generations 3DS. I can definitely see its flaws but part of me still sees it through the lens of that 6 y/o on his birthday going into GameStop with his dad, getting Sonic Generations 3DS on his birthday (which so happened to be Jun. 23) and playing the hell outta that game.
I really loved the whole section where you thought of different levels that have been placed in this version. Reminds me of a thought I've always had which I'll leave here if anyone wants to humor me. What if in some alternate reality, in the long wait between Forces and Frontiers, Sega decided to add an entire new era to Generations as DLC? The three games featured would be Sonic Lost World, Sonic Mania, and Sonic Forces. What levels do you think would be the best to feature in the hypothetical DLC pack?
I'd say it would be - either Silent Forest (Zone 2) or Des(s)ert Ruins (Zone 2) for their originality - Studiopolis for Mania because the level is so iconic - Metropolitan Highway / Null Space for Forces because the setting looks cool (and Sunset Height looks a bit too much like Crisis City) - Infinite for the rival - Heavy/Phantom King for the boss
I would personally pick Sky Babylon for the Rush Adventure stage mainly because it's like an alternate Sky Sanctuary zone and they could do some cool things with the fire like it was done in Rush Adventure. Also, the music is legendary so there's that. 😂
The 3DS version of Generations was the one I grew up with. At the time I didn't know much about Sonic's history or what games he was in, I just saw Sonic, played through a bunch of levels and thought they were original to the game not even aware that it was made for Sonic's anniversary. For a while I wasn't able to be the Time Eater but that's because I was *extremely* impatient and was paying attention to what the boss was doing. Even though it would probably be nice to include Fang and Blaze in the 3DS version, I feel that what we got almost perfectly represented Sonic Rivals as each of the rivals from that game are the same ones present in Generations even down to using their own abilities to try and stop the player from passing them or continuing. What I would've preferred is if each stage you raced a rival in was from either of the Sonic Rivals games remixed and modified to fit both Classic and Modern Sonic's gameplay as the physics for both games are drastically different from Sonic Rivals 1&2. However, there might be some evidence that some bits and pieces of 3DS version of Generations could potentially be the scrapped PSP version of Generations as the model quality is way too low for 3DS and looks like something that would be seen in the Sonic Rivals series on top of the fact a disk containing some data from that scrapped version as a image of what looks like an early version of Mushroom Hill. (It should be noted that a good portion of the data on the same disk was reported to be heavily damaged and a good portion of data leftover was removed leaving behind a select few screenshots, one of them being an early look at Mushroom Hill.) The models used in cutscenes and the results screen seem to fit more with other 3DS games at the time, still being low poly but not to the point to where it looks off although there's a bit of a goof with Classic Sonic's model. If you were to look at footage of Generations 3DS without the blurry resolution or had Classic Sonic's models on hand and paid close attention to the bottom of Classic Sonic's shoes you'll notice that the texture for them is the same as Modern Sonic's which doesn't make sense given Classic Sonic's shoes never had actual soles on the bottom of them.
Ah yes 2004, the year I was born, having played colors DS first, sonic heroes, generations,Sonic 06) forces, and that transformers racing game, can’t wait for sonic frontier to come out, something new and hopefully good, considering I missed out on adventure and unleashed
Personally I though Gens3DS was fine, not as great as the HD version, but still a good time. If I were to select stages so the game would be a more faithful homage to handheld Sonic games, I'd select : - either Green Hill or Bridge zone for Sonic 1 - Scrambled Egg for Sonic 2 (it was mainly for the music honnestly) - Sunset Park for Triple Trouble - Fang as the Classic Era rival (taking place in TT's special stage) - a Sonic Chaos boss, to represent the game (probably Gigantopolis' boss) - Angel Island for Advance 1 - Music Plant for Advance 2 - Cyber Track for Advance 3 - Gmerl for the Advance Era rival (taking place in Chaos Angel / Altar Emerald) - Super Eggrobo Z (from Advance 2) as the boss - still Water Palace for Rush - Haunted Ship for Rush Adventure - either keep Tropical Resort or have Starlight Carnival for Colours DS - Blaze as the Rush Era rival (in Dead Line) - Nega Mother Wisp as the boss (considering the boss was both a secret final boss and DS exclusive, it's better fitting)
I think your picks for the stage, rival and boss roaster were perfect, but I would pick the Rush era boss to be Egg King (the fake final boss from rush). The Bomber Barbara remix it could have... Oh, and it's also a very cool and epic fight in my opinion.
2 great things about sonic generations is the chaos emerald levels because of the music and overall it was fun and the big arm boss battle theme like it was fire if you haven’t heard it plz do
Sonic Generations 3DS being called a spinoff? I get the intention, but that feels so off. Would be like calling Unleashed on PS2 a spinoff. Also would be neat if you could cover Lost World 3DS, as it's the only 3D controlling Sonic game in 3DS.
I agree with every stage you listed in the video except for Advance 3’s. I would’ve went with Twinkle Snow since all three Advance games have an ice level and it would be cool (pUn eNtiReLy iNtEnDeD) to get some representation for that. I chose it over the other ice levels because I think Secret Base and Music Plant are already great picks for their respective games. I also just love Twinkle Snow’s music.
God you just brought back some nostalgic memories. I loved this game and played it for 2 months same with lost world, I respect your opinion though and see where you’re coming from. I’m going to save this to my nostalgia playlist. DON’T DELETE IT
Man 2.5/3d versions of secret base, techno base, aquatic base, chaos angel, altitude limit, and coral cave would've been absolutely epic. I know they have no reason to do it now but I would love a generations styled game only focusing on handheld levels.
the funny thing is, they could've kept the rush mechanics for modern sonic in 3DS, heck: they could've given modern sonic rush/rush adventure gameplay, where they give us 3d stuff like altitude limit or forest or coral mines, but NOPE: all 2D, with pretend three dimensional path changes.
Here's how I'd improve Generations 3d. -Make the stages all from Sonic's handheld career. Gamegear, advanced, rush. -Same with rival fights, instead of the same as console, make it against characters like Fang,, Gemeral, and Blaze. --Make classic sonic the tried 2d side scrolling and make modern sonic, adventure game play.
you forgot that emerald coast classic is also using the original layout but adapted to 2D, and that from radical highway onward modern sonics are ther same as the originals with minor changes
Not 100% sure but, I'm pretty sure in the console version, you unlock the homing attack for classic sonic after getting all the red ring in act 1 planet wisp
I still enjoy this version of Generations a lot even if I do think the console version is better. That being said, I do agree it was horribly missed potential that they didn't lean more into that handheld history thing, so it was definitely interesting to see the results of that poll you made for what people thought should represent the handheld games in this. I will say that even though Radical Highway is a Shadow stage, its still cool having it in Generations, especially for the Rival Battle against Shadow because it makes it a reference to the intro cutscene for Sonic Adventure 2: Battle which took place there.
My only complaints with Generations 3DS are the missions are absolutely bullshit to unlock, especially with the special stage missions and story-based missions, the really lame boss fights except for The Egg Emperor and Big Arms, the fact that they decided to use the Special Stages from Sonic Heroes instead of just having the Sonics receive the Chaos Emeralds from the Rival Battles like the console version, cutscenes that look like they were made in SFM and were edited with Photoshop, the reused voice clips, and the stages they chose for the 3DS version could’ve been better. The stages in Generations 3DS are: Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, Casino Night Zone from Sonic 2, Mushroom Hill Zone from Sonic and Knuckles, Emerald Coast from Sonic Adventure, Radical Highway from Sonic Adventure 2, Water Palace from Sonic Rush, and Tropical Resort from Sonic Colors, more specifically Colors DS. The bosses in Generations 3DS are: Metal Sonic from Sonic CD, Big Arms from Sonic and Knuckles, Shadow and the Biolizard from Sonic Adventure 2, The Egg Emperor from Heroes, Silver from Sonic 06, and the Time Eater from Sonic Generations. I think the stages they could’ve used for Generations 3DS would be: Green Hill Zone and Bridge Zone from Sonic 1 on Genesis and Master System/Game Gear, Aquatic Ruin Zone and Scrambled Egg Zone from Sonic 2 on Genesis and Master System/Game Gear, Flying Battery Zone and Ice Cap Zone from Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Toxic Cave from Sonic Spinball, Gigapolis from Sonic Chaos, Sunset Park from Sonic Triple Trouble, Speed Highway and Emerald Coast from Sonic Adventure, City Escape and Metal Harbor from Sonic Adventure 2, Seaside Hill and Hang Castle from Sonic Heroes, Secret Base and Egg Rocket from Sonic Advance, Music Park and Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, Route 99 and Cyber Track from Sonic Advance 3, Water Palace and Night Carnival from Sonic Rush, Plant Kingdom and Sky Babylon from Sonic Rush Adventure, Crisis City from Sonic 06, Lost Foundry from Sonic and the Secret Rings, Rooftop Rush and Windmill Isle from Sonic Unleashed, Planet Wisp and Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors DS. For the bosses, I'd probably go with: the Wrecking Ball from Sonic 1 on Genesis, the Death Egg Robot from Sonic 2 on Genesis, Metal Sonic from Sonic CD, Big Arms from Sonic 3, Fang from Sonic Triple Trouble, Tails Doll from Sonic R, Perfect Chaos from Sonic Adventure, Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2, The Egg Emperor from Sonic Heroes, the Secret Base boss from Sonic Advance, the Hot Crater boss from Sonic Advance 2, G-Emerl from Sonic Advance 3, Silver from Sonic 06, Blaze from Sonic Rush, the Egg Dragoon from Sonic Unleashed, Erazor Gjin from Sonic and the Secret Rings, King Arthur from Sonic and the Black Knight, the Nega Mother Wisp from Sonic Colors DS, and the Time Eater from Sonic Generations. The stages that you fight the bosses are: Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1 on Genesis, Death Egg Zone from Sonic 2 on Genesis, Stardust Speedway Good Future from Sonic CD, I don’t know if the stage where you fight Big Arms actually has a name, the level where you fight Fang in Sonic Triple Trouble, Can You Feel The Sunshine's level from Sonic R, the flooded Station Square from Sonic Adventure, The Ark from Sonic Adventure 2, Egg Fleet from Sonic Heroes, Secret Base from Sonic Advance, Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, The Moon from Sonic Advance 3, Crisis City from Sonic 06, the level where you fight Sonic or Blaze in Sonic Rush, a less bs version of the race against Johnny from Sonic Rush Adventure, Eggman Land from Sonic Unleashed, Evil Foundry from Sonic and the Secret Rings, I don’t know if there’s a name for the stage where you against King Arthur in SATBK, Terminal Velocity from Sonic Colors DS, the Void Of Time, which is what I will name that weird place where you fight The Time Eater. If we’re going with the whole 9-stages thing, then, I'd probably go with Bridge Zone from Sonic 1 on Master System/Game Gear, Scrambled Egg Zone from Sonic 2 on Master System/Game Gear, Gigapolis from Sonic Chaos, Secret Base from Sonic Advance, Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, Route 99 from Sonic Advance 3, Night Carnival from Sonic Rush, Sky Babylon from Sonic Rush Adventure, and Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors DS. For the 9 bosses, not counting The Time Eater, I'd say Bridge Zone’s boss from Sonic 1 on Master System/Game Gear, Silver Sonic from Sonic 2 on Master System/Game Gear, Fang or Nack from Sonic Triple Trouble, the boss in Secret Base from Sonic Advance, the boss in Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, G-Emerl from Sonic Advance 3’s final boss, Blaze from Sonic Rush, the Eggman-pirate-robot from Sonic Rush Adventure, Nega Mother Wisp from Sonic Colors DS, and The Time Eater. As for the Special Stage, I'd probably say a slightly slower version of Sonic 3’s Blue Spheres Special Stage where it doesn’t just suddenly go from 0 to 100 and is very easy to mess up with how fast it can go, either Sonic 3's Special Stage or the Special Stages in Sonic 1 on Master System/Game Gear, which are way less bs than the Sonic 1 on Genesis Special Stages with the bs physics and the fact that you'll just end up being knocked into the "Goal." I think Generations 3DS could’ve been a good game, it could’ve been as good as the Console and PC versions, with the Console and PC versions using stages, songs, and straight up remixes songs from the representation of the console games, Generations 3DS could’ve been like the Console and PC version, but, it acts as a representation of the handheld Sonic games, there have been many handheld Sonic games that released alongside the console games, Generations 3DS could’ve been a representation of the Game Gear titles, the GBA and DS games, hell, they could’ve even represented Sonic Rivals 1 and 2 for god’s sake. The 3DS version of Generations had so much potential and stuff to go off, but, we got a mediocre version of what could’ve been a good game. Think about it for a second, the Console and PC versions of Generations use a lot of material from all over the franchise, making it feel like a celebration of Sonic's history, not just as a video game character, but, the franchise as a whole. Generations 3DS has less art, less illustrations, less music, and less of the feeling of a celebration compared to the Console and PC version. I think I’m rambled long enough, so, I’m just going shut up and finally post a comment that I've been typing for around a hour.
For me if I was to pick the stages for this game this is what I would pick ( am keeping green hill and water Palace) From sonic 2 since I know people really like this im going with mystic cave. Sonic 3: since no stage was chosen from the 1st part ima say icecap Sonic adventure: ima go for windy Valley Sonic adventure 2 battle: since I got rid of the forest theme earlier im doing it here and going for green forest Sonic colours. Since no space theme yet I'm going with starlight carnival
A boss pick for the DS era that is not the (probably most difficult in the whole franchise) space robot final boss of rush? I mean, it may not be a good pick or anything, but I spent so much goddamn time trying to beat that thing that I really don't remember any other boss from that era.
When sis played Generations on the 3DS, I was confused. We had played every Sonic Advance on online emulation back then, as well as owning both Rush and Rush Adventure, and yet of those, only Rush seemed to appear, replacing 06's Crisis City with Water Palace. Like, I wasn't even asking to replace the Genesis era stages (Casino Night was a good choice imo, they just didn't know they could actually MAKE levels instead of just reusing from the classic games. Mushroom Hill's a bit more meh compared to Sky Sanctuary tho, but I still wasn't asking for some obscure Game Gear stuff either even if I would've appreciated the nod to them) or Tropical Resort (if keeping in line with console due to Colors being on both was the intent), but you can't tell me you're the developper behind Rush Adventure AND the Advance titles, and then NOT include either of them in the stage lineup. You even already have Rush itself, so why is Rush Adventure absent at all??? Don't get me wrong, Water Palace was still fun, but we could've had Cyber Track (one of my personal favorite levels if only for the music alone) or Sky Babylon. For what was supposed to be the "4th Rush game", it felt more like it was trying to be the console version but on limited hardware, celebrating the history that isn't even exactly its own.
i agree with all of your ideas for making Gens 3DS better. one thing of my own i’d like to say is it should’ve ditched the boring lackluster 3D graphical style and instead go with pixels and sprite work. Classic Sonic is a sprite where Modern is 3D maybe? idk, I just find the other handheld sonic art styles much more aesthetically pleasing because they take advantage of the handhelds low power where Gens 3DS just looks choppy and rough.
I feel this game would’ve been much better had they made the modern stages in a 3D format. I even remember as a kid I was so excited to finally play sonic on the 3ds since I knew it was a stronger handheld just to be disappointed when I saw it was still stuck to 2d
Well at this point we have a generations remake on the horizon with shadow being playable so who really knows at this point what else could be added the story will be improved at least a little bit but yeah
This was the first version of the game I played. It's also what got me into Classic Sonic. I just loved everything about his design and the design of his world and characters far more than modern Sonic. Now I far prefer the classic games. Mania got me truly hooked on Classic Sonic's gameplay, Origins was an absolute blast for me, and now I'm looking forward to Superstars. (Definitely not eager to buy Superstars day-one, though. Not after Origins Plus.)
Generations 3DS was the version I played and goddamn I loved it so much, and agree with much of what you said Altho I'd add also one other thing...Super Sonic on normal stages Why wasn't he playable? is not like it would make the game easier because you get the emeralds at the end game Also, I don't remember which button (I think the L) did a "honk" sound and I never knew what was that for. And I thought it was for super sonic, I was mistaken
I don't see any reason to call it "Rush 4", it's clunky to control, slow performing, short and easy as hell. Every single level and boss just made me want to play the originals instead. It's definitely worth checking out if you like Sonic but dang, this could've been a really cool game if they'd gotten SOMETHING right.
Honestly looking back on Generations 3DS, it did feel like a cheap tie-in, not mention a poor man’s version of the Console Version. They pulled a reverse Colors by having more characters in the Console Version and just Sonics, Tails and Eggmen in the 3DS version But don’t get me wrong I still enjoyed the game, it just felt too short. I would definitely play your true version that pulls levels from Game Gear, GBA and DS Games, while paying homage to handheld Sonic Games.
Personally as much i love sonic colors ds. I would prefer a representation of Sonic Pocket Adventure, because that is a hidden gem that many people havent played of the neo geo pocket, consider by the ones that played it as the first sonic advance. But i kinda understand why, that game felt more like sonic 2 "2", as most of the zone themes are remix of sonic 2, but with the music of sonic 3. Still, this was a great video and yeah, i am still a little bit dissapointed about generations 3ds because it really could be a celebration of the great story of sonic in handhelds.
Dimps had a negative opinion amongst Sonic fans? Not with me. Okay I wasn't too keen on the Rush games but I loved the Advance games. No, I only had a negative opinion of them after Sonic 4. Very negative. But I didn't just blame them of course. My opinion of Sega was also ruined beyond repair with that game.
Honestly the only reason for me to play this game is for Water Palace & the Final Boss. And just like Colours DS there's no playable Blaze (even if it wouldn't make sense) so it's automatically inferior to the Rush games.
I must be one of the 5 people who enjoyed the 3DS version more than the console version. But I'm just not a fan of the modern/unleashed 3D sonic style.
I don't get how if the 3DS is stronger than a PS2, why we couldn't have had a Unleashed type game for the 3DS, I guess memory bus is really the limiting factor?
Sonic Generations 3DS is a pretty decent game. I still prefer the console and PC version but I like the stages from the 3DS version well enough and the boss choices were interesting.
For me it was disappointing as fuck. I remember I was so excited when I got it because had the PC version but I couldn't play it because my laptop back then could barely run it. I thought at least I'd get to experience it in 3ds as a nice portable Sonic platformer but it really let me down how cheap it was. And the fact that both Sonics were 2D was soo lame. Sonic Colors did a way better job at making you feel like you kinda had a console Sonic game on the go.
@@Kaplykos I mean I get it ,it's your opinion but saying colors did it better is a no for me what did you expect it's a hand held if you felt that you was getting a console experience handheld feel you have put your expectations to high especially knowing this is sega . The 3ds was better than colors ds in ways and colors was aswell both had pros and cons the 3ds couldn't handle 3D esc sonic levels look at lost world that's literally a mario game generations is a High speed esc game you can't get made at the 3ds for having both 2d you should be mad at the console versions for that I even had some idiot call the game trash as a whole just because it didn't come out on the psp regardless hell nowadays with the help of redreem and Aethersx2 you can play dreamcast games and ps2 games at optimal/full speed on your phones 9/10 your phone is more powerful than the base 3ds and psp combined just goes to show the 3ds is weak as shit they did good on the levels not amazing but good enough to play .
I still enjoy this version of Generations a lot even if I do think the console version is better. That being said, I do agree it was horribly missed potential that they didn't lean more into that handheld history thing, so it was definitely interesting to see the results of that poll you made for what people thought should represent the handheld games in this. I will say that even though Radical Highway is a Shadow stage, its still cool having it in Generations, especially for the Rival Battle against Shadow because it makes it a reference to the intro cutscene for Sonic Adventure 2: Battle which took place there.
I like imagining both Generations games happening in one story, in order of zones and such I mean I can’t just pretend the amazing Big Arm battle isn’t there lolll
Apparently this game had _6 months_ of development time, which explains a lot. That's geinuinly stunning in every manner. For as lackluster as this game sort of is, I respect Dimps a lot for managing to make this game as is.
The online race mode was incredible back in the day. It was so cool how you got to not only compete with others, but get their player card with their miis, game records, how long they've been a Sonic fan, and their favorite characters and games. Also Dimps nailed Classic Sonic's physics better than Sonic Team.
I actually played the 3ds version first, and while it wasn't mindblowing, it was still a good time for what it was, and I liked how it brought back levels from the handheld games for the boost era, even if I never played rush or colors (either version). I suppose it also helped that I played it BEFORE the PC version, so I wasn't comparing it to that during my playthrough. Also, the time eater is legitimately a decent final boss fight in the 3ds version. It actually feels like a BOSS FIGHT where you have to actively dodge large, highly-telegraphed attacks rather than chasing it through an endless tunnel while it poots out hotboxes you have to avoid while your friends yell about the homing shots (they could at least have some variety in their warnings, or at least not always use the term "homing shot"). Overall, nothing to write home about, but it's still kinda funny that the oft-forgotten 3ds port has a significantly better final boss fight than the otherwise superior console/pc version.
I don't think Dimps' reputation in the fanbase is as negative as you say, the Advance trilogy and the Rush trilogy are still considered "underrated masterpieces" by many fans, fans that also begs for their Remasters as well I think the only games made by Dimps that everyone universally hates is Sonic 4 Ep.1, and Lost World 3DS to some extent
Even LW 3DS has its fans. Sure Dimps had their weaknesses, like certain level design tropes, but they had a ton of strengths too. I feel like most people only remember them for Sonic 4 since that was their only console game that wasn't overshadowed by a bigger HD version (even though it was supposed to be a mobile game).
@@Legoluigi26 I imagined those fans existed, that's why I said "to some extent", but I don't enjoy playing most of Dimps' games because of their level design philosophy, but I still appreciate how much they tried to change the regular 2D formula with innovative mechanics Like Amy in Advance 1, the pre-boost in 2, partner system in 3, the Boost in Rush, the pirate atmosphere in Rush Adventure, and better writing in Colors, even their different takes on Generations and Lost World are kinda neat
I do not enjoy a single Sonic game made by DIMPS. I agree with you that their reputation isn't as negative as you say. Everywhere I go, people love the DIMPS games. I've always felt like the minority in disliking them. If there really are other DIMPS dislikers out there, please take me to them, I want to return to my people. I'm not just talking about Sonic 4 episode 1 either. Don't like the Advance games. Don't like Rush. Don't like Sonic 4 episode 2. Don't even like Pocket Adventure. If it's Sonic the Hedgehog and it's made by DIMPS, I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
@@DragoonMS Not exactly; Pocket Adventure actually predates Dimps being founded, but the staff there previously worked at SNK*, where some of them worked on Pocket Adventure, and I imagine that Sega chose Dimps to develop Sonic Advance for that reason. *Dimps' founding members also included former Capcom staff, just so we're clear.
This game was one of the only 3DS games I had back in the day, so I remember playing it a ton but eventually getting insanely bored of it. It’s still not bad at all though, and certainly much better than Lost World 3DS
Lost World 3DS started with a decent amount of promise. The controls are WAY better than the Wii U version, and Sonic is actually pretty fun to control, but then you get a few worlds in and the level design shits the bed so hard that it loses all of the potential it had to be a good game. That snowball level is infamous for very good reason.
I would've loved: - Ice Mountain from Advance since Generations was lacking in ice stages - Techno Base from Advance 2 for its digital theme - Mirage Road from Rush for its Egypt theme - Sky Babylon from Rush Adventure because it's my fav stage in the game - Asteroid Coaster was perfectly climactic
Going with idea of the all handheld version of Gens 3DS I would really like a stage based off of Tails Adventure, Like I know Sonic never actually went there, but I think that it is such a unique and overlooked aspect of Sonic's history that I think it kinda deserves a level
I actually loved this game as a kid. I remember trying to get the fastest speed on radical highway act 2 for days on end. I also got a lot of mileage out of the online mode where you would race against another player. If I remember correctly, it was a pretty clean multiplayer experience
Got a lot of fond memories with this version as it was among the first six games I got for my 3DS, especially once I got hooked on the online multiplayer, and it ended up being my first exposure to parts of the Adventure games. That said, despite my fondness for the game, which I made clear in the server, I really would've preferred some actual handheld representation worth a damn, especially after having played all of them. The discussion of what we could've had was pretty fun, and I hope that someone can make a game that pays tribute to Sonic's handheld legacy.
Heres my take on a better 3DS Gens Classic Era: Sonic 1GG: Green Hill - I would choose Bridge because its more iconic in the GG version but definitly the "promotional material" argument is more heavy. Act 2 could use a more cavern and mountain design like the OG Act 2 in the game. Sonic Chaos: Gigalopolis - Why Chaos instead of Sonic 2GG? Because I think it would be more sensical instead of another "console port" even tho it really isnt, besides Chaos in Japan is called "Sonic & Tails", so for the third zone been from "Sonic & Tails 2" which IS Triple Trouble JP name, it would make more sense as an exclusive duology for the GG. Gigalopolis because it makes a nice parallel to Chemical Plant and Casino Night in the OG games, which are city levels, and definitly it one of the most iconic next to Sleeping Egg. Sonic Triple Trouble: Sunset Park - Ofc it is and you know why Rival: Fang on Subspace - Yeah same reason as you said. Boss: Blast Final Boss on Silver Castle - If we are gonna have a Blast mention in the game, IMO this boss is more iconic than the Chaos one, simply because its WAY MORE HARDER and frustating. Dreamcast/GBA Era All zones you mentioned fit perfectly. Rival: Gemerl on Route 99 - Why Gemerl instead of Emerl? Because Emerl is dead, and would be a hard punch seen him again. Also using Route 99 here would be perfect since the Advance 3 zone would be Chaos Angel, and Route 99 fits with the "Rival battles mentioning the Rivals games" Boss: Ultimate Gemerl - Yes repeating Gemerl twice, but like I said, we cant use Emerl. Why not another Eggman fight? Because like in console and 3DS, he aint the second boss, it cant be him, he only appears in the third one. I thought of using Mecha Knuckles or just Knuckles himself from Advance 2, but clearly the second boss needs to be something impactfull like Perfect Chaos and Biolizard, so Ultimate Gemerl. Idk if its going to be on Chaos Angel or Exception, because how would Sonic walk in Exception Zone if theres no ground? Modern Era All zones fit perfectly, Rivals and Boss too
I would've picked machine labyrinth for the rush adventure stage being an interesting idea with some cool gimick's to mess about with and the great music in the original. For colours i agree that asteroid coaster is the best stage for having it last as it feels like a dangerous environment that is a real challenge to get through in both versions with the roller coaster sections being a great set-piece to use. Finally for rush Leaf storm is a great opening level to introduce people to the mechanics with a great sense of speed with a outstanding music track in the form of "Right There Ride On".( Also minor note on the form for the rush stage roster leaf storm is named leaf forest which i don't know if that was localisation or an error on J's part.)
This is the version I grew up with! I remember being so disappointed when I found out it wasn't a 3d platformer on 3ds. I only owned Nintendo consoles but Gens was the first game to make me want to own a non Nintendo console.
@@bortverde No I actually never played that one until 3 years ago and it sucks lmao. Controls are better than Wii U but level design is not very good imo
20:27 "It's pretty clear that Blaze should be the rival." Well, uh, I wanted Johnny. Blaze is already an NPC in the console version so I think making her a rival would be inconsistent. PLUS, he'd be the most fitting rival for a race rival battle
I just played the final boss of Sonic Generations on the 3DS and I can confidently say that you are DEAD WRONG. That boss was really difficult to beat and a lot of fun.
Sonic Generations on 3DS was a big disappointment. Honestly I didn't even plan on buying it at first, but I was given Christmas money around that time and thought "eh, why not". I beat it the day I got it. I mean the console version of Generations was short too, but 3DS Gen was extremely short. It really did feel like a rush job cause they really could've made use of the handheld Sonic games more. But of course one of the only portable exclusive levels they went with was Water Palace, with some of the worst music in Sonic history. I hated it in Sonic Rush and it's just as bad in 3DS Gen. But anyway, overall the game could've been worse, but it's just a bland experience.
i feel like you are overly judging the 3DS version, they put tons of time and effort into the game like trust me i know it could have been better, i feel like if they were to do all hand held then it would be kinda boring because there would not be much to work with, and technically one could argue if you count the portable Sega genesis then the classic stages are hand held as well as them being mobile variants. if you look in the files u can see alot of unused asset's
I feel like the newfound hatred for Dimps is a relatively recent development. Prior the Sonic 4: Episode 1, Dimps was referred by much of the fanbase, and their output on GBA and DS was even enjoyed by critics!
I read an interview somewhere where they asked Iizuka why this "Handheld" celebration didn't have gameboy advance or Game Gear games represented, iizuka chuckled and said something like "The game gear games? Those are too old"
Right. So best replace them with something more trendy and new like...Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, 1991. Sigh.
It’s also referenced right in the very video, around 12:50
@@ExtraordinaryFate ah, as a visual. Oops. Only tend to listen to video's.
Man... I REEALLY don't like Iizuka
But everyone knows Green Hill zone,thats the difference
Amen to that, everyone knows green hill zone, and we don't want to upset them with new or different things. Let's shove in Green Hill Zone in all Sonic games from now on and don't upset people with unique and interesting concepts.
And thus the 2010 era of Sonic truly began.
As someone who grew up with Generations 3DS and are recently replaying, I got say that while I see what you mean, I still thoroughly love Generations 3DS. I can definitely see its flaws but part of me still sees it through the lens of that 6 y/o on his birthday going into GameStop with his dad, getting Sonic Generations 3DS on his birthday (which so happened to be Jun. 23) and playing the hell outta that game.
I find it funny and ironic that Sonic Rush got representation in the 3DS version but not Sonic Rush Adventure
I really loved the whole section where you thought of different levels that have been placed in this version. Reminds me of a thought I've always had which I'll leave here if anyone wants to humor me. What if in some alternate reality, in the long wait between Forces and Frontiers, Sega decided to add an entire new era to Generations as DLC? The three games featured would be Sonic Lost World, Sonic Mania, and Sonic Forces. What levels do you think would be the best to feature in the hypothetical DLC pack?
I'd say it would be
- either Silent Forest (Zone 2) or Des(s)ert Ruins (Zone 2) for their originality
- Studiopolis for Mania because the level is so iconic
- Metropolitan Highway / Null Space for Forces because the setting looks cool (and Sunset Height looks a bit too much like Crisis City)
- Infinite for the rival
- Heavy/Phantom King for the boss
@@phil2160 Agree!!!
I would personally pick Sky Babylon for the Rush Adventure stage mainly because it's like an alternate Sky Sanctuary zone and they could do some cool things with the fire like it was done in Rush Adventure. Also, the music is legendary so there's that. 😂
The 3DS version of Generations was the one I grew up with.
At the time I didn't know much about Sonic's history or what games he was in, I just saw Sonic, played through a bunch of levels and thought they were original to the game not even aware that it was made for Sonic's anniversary. For a while I wasn't able to be the Time Eater but that's because I was *extremely* impatient and was paying attention to what the boss was doing.
Even though it would probably be nice to include Fang and Blaze in the 3DS version, I feel that what we got almost perfectly represented Sonic Rivals as each of the rivals from that game are the same ones present in Generations even down to using their own abilities to try and stop the player from passing them or continuing.
What I would've preferred is if each stage you raced a rival in was from either of the Sonic Rivals games remixed and modified to fit both Classic and Modern Sonic's gameplay as the physics for both games are drastically different from Sonic Rivals 1&2.
However, there might be some evidence that some bits and pieces of 3DS version of Generations could potentially be the scrapped PSP version of Generations as the model quality is way too low for 3DS and looks like something that would be seen in the Sonic Rivals series on top of the fact a disk containing some data from that scrapped version as a image of what looks like an early version of Mushroom Hill. (It should be noted that a good portion of the data on the same disk was reported to be heavily damaged and a good portion of data leftover was removed leaving behind a select few screenshots, one of them being an early look at Mushroom Hill.)
The models used in cutscenes and the results screen seem to fit more with other 3DS games at the time, still being low poly but not to the point to where it looks off although there's a bit of a goof with Classic Sonic's model.
If you were to look at footage of Generations 3DS without the blurry resolution or had Classic Sonic's models on hand and paid close attention to the bottom of Classic Sonic's shoes you'll notice that the texture for them is the same as Modern Sonic's which doesn't make sense given Classic Sonic's shoes never had actual soles on the bottom of them.
Ah yes 2004, the year I was born, having played colors DS first, sonic heroes, generations,Sonic 06) forces, and that transformers racing game, can’t wait for sonic frontier to come out, something new and hopefully good, considering I missed out on adventure and unleashed
Hello Fresh. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.
Personally I though Gens3DS was fine, not as great as the HD version, but still a good time.
If I were to select stages so the game would be a more faithful homage to handheld Sonic games, I'd select :
- either Green Hill or Bridge zone for Sonic 1
- Scrambled Egg for Sonic 2 (it was mainly for the music honnestly)
- Sunset Park for Triple Trouble
- Fang as the Classic Era rival (taking place in TT's special stage)
- a Sonic Chaos boss, to represent the game (probably Gigantopolis' boss)
- Angel Island for Advance 1
- Music Plant for Advance 2
- Cyber Track for Advance 3
- Gmerl for the Advance Era rival (taking place in Chaos Angel / Altar Emerald)
- Super Eggrobo Z (from Advance 2) as the boss
- still Water Palace for Rush
- Haunted Ship for Rush Adventure
- either keep Tropical Resort or have Starlight Carnival for Colours DS
- Blaze as the Rush Era rival (in Dead Line)
- Nega Mother Wisp as the boss (considering the boss was both a secret final boss and DS exclusive, it's better fitting)
I think your picks for the stage, rival and boss roaster were perfect, but I would pick the Rush era boss to be Egg King (the fake final boss from rush).
The Bomber Barbara remix it could have... Oh, and it's also a very cool and epic fight in my opinion.
2 great things about sonic generations is the chaos emerald levels because of the music and overall it was fun and the big arm boss battle theme like it was fire if you haven’t heard it plz do
The best part about this game are the music remixes, Casino Night Act 2 and Water Palace Act 2 are probably the highlights for me
Sonic Generations 3DS being called a spinoff? I get the intention, but that feels so off. Would be like calling Unleashed on PS2 a spinoff. Also would be neat if you could cover Lost World 3DS, as it's the only 3D controlling Sonic game in 3DS.
sonic rivals psp handheld, featured silver. which is probably why silver is a "hand held" rival"
The funny thing about it this game is that when you go to the extras area it plays the Xbox 360 home menu sound (when you press the Xbox button)
I agree with every stage you listed in the video except for Advance 3’s. I would’ve went with Twinkle Snow since all three Advance games have an ice level and it would be cool (pUn eNtiReLy iNtEnDeD) to get some representation for that. I chose it over the other ice levels because I think Secret Base and Music Plant are already great picks for their respective games. I also just love Twinkle Snow’s music.
God you just brought back some nostalgic memories. I loved this game and played it for 2 months same with lost world, I respect your opinion though and see where you’re coming from. I’m going to save this to my nostalgia playlist. DON’T DELETE IT
Fun fact I never got past that bloody big hand mech
Man 2.5/3d versions of secret base, techno base, aquatic base, chaos angel, altitude limit, and coral cave would've been absolutely epic.
I know they have no reason to do it now but I would love a generations styled game only focusing on handheld levels.
i had my own 3ds my uncle had a 3ds with this game on it and i played it all the time. such good memories
i took the form, for my picks i just went with what i thought was most iconic and my favorites
the funny thing is, they could've kept the rush mechanics for modern sonic in 3DS, heck: they could've given modern sonic rush/rush adventure gameplay, where they give us 3d stuff like altitude limit or forest or coral mines, but NOPE: all 2D, with pretend three dimensional path changes.
The 3DS version was super fun imo!
Bio lizard is such a specific boss fight pick for the 3ds version
Rewatching this a year later.. Really bums me out that we're never gonna get another chance at a game attributing the handheld history.
man i missed these reviews they were my jam back in 2021
The race against Shadow was better because there were actual stakes on the 3DS
The Radical Highway Act 2 remix is awesome and I will die on that hill
Here's how I'd improve Generations 3d.
-Make the stages all from Sonic's handheld career. Gamegear, advanced, rush.
-Same with rival fights, instead of the same as console, make it against characters like Fang,, Gemeral, and Blaze.
--Make classic sonic the tried 2d side scrolling and make modern sonic, adventure game play.
you forgot that emerald coast classic is also using the original layout but adapted to 2D, and that from radical highway onward modern sonics are ther same as the originals with minor changes
well except for tropical resort, that one is entirely original I think
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Could have been the Mother Wisp Fight
Not 100% sure but, I'm pretty sure in the console version, you unlock the homing attack for classic sonic after getting all the red ring in act 1 planet wisp
I felt that 2004 was *this* amount of years ago remark.
I wish Sega had let Dimps do their own thing, they knew what they were doing from the start
I still enjoy this version of Generations a lot even if I do think the console version is better. That being said, I do agree it was horribly missed potential that they didn't lean more into that handheld history thing, so it was definitely interesting to see the results of that poll you made for what people thought should represent the handheld games in this. I will say that even though Radical Highway is a Shadow stage, its still cool having it in Generations, especially for the Rival Battle against Shadow because it makes it a reference to the intro cutscene for Sonic Adventure 2: Battle which took place there.
Sega: “oh no he caught us”
14:51 - 15:15
Sega's gonna Sega, I guess.
20:26 - 20:34
Oh you poor boy.
My only complaints with Generations 3DS are the missions are absolutely bullshit to unlock, especially with the special stage missions and story-based missions, the really lame boss fights except for The Egg Emperor and Big Arms, the fact that they decided to use the Special Stages from Sonic Heroes instead of just having the Sonics receive the Chaos Emeralds from the Rival Battles like the console version, cutscenes that look like they were made in SFM and were edited with Photoshop, the reused voice clips, and the stages they chose for the 3DS version could’ve been better. The stages in Generations 3DS are: Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, Casino Night Zone from Sonic 2, Mushroom Hill Zone from Sonic and Knuckles, Emerald Coast from Sonic Adventure, Radical Highway from Sonic Adventure 2, Water Palace from Sonic Rush, and Tropical Resort from Sonic Colors, more specifically Colors DS. The bosses in Generations 3DS are: Metal Sonic from Sonic CD, Big Arms from Sonic and Knuckles, Shadow and the Biolizard from Sonic Adventure 2, The Egg Emperor from Heroes, Silver from Sonic 06, and the Time Eater from Sonic Generations. I think the stages they could’ve used for Generations 3DS would be: Green Hill Zone and Bridge Zone from Sonic 1 on Genesis and Master System/Game Gear, Aquatic Ruin Zone and Scrambled Egg Zone from Sonic 2 on Genesis and Master System/Game Gear, Flying Battery Zone and Ice Cap Zone from Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Toxic Cave from Sonic Spinball, Gigapolis from Sonic Chaos, Sunset Park from Sonic Triple Trouble, Speed Highway and Emerald Coast from Sonic Adventure, City Escape and Metal Harbor from Sonic Adventure 2, Seaside Hill and Hang Castle from Sonic Heroes, Secret Base and Egg Rocket from Sonic Advance, Music Park and Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, Route 99 and Cyber Track from Sonic Advance 3, Water Palace and Night Carnival from Sonic Rush, Plant Kingdom and Sky Babylon from Sonic Rush Adventure, Crisis City from Sonic 06, Lost Foundry from Sonic and the Secret Rings, Rooftop Rush and Windmill Isle from Sonic Unleashed, Planet Wisp and Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors DS. For the bosses, I'd probably go with: the Wrecking Ball from Sonic 1 on Genesis, the Death Egg Robot from Sonic 2 on Genesis, Metal Sonic from Sonic CD, Big Arms from Sonic 3, Fang from Sonic Triple Trouble, Tails Doll from Sonic R, Perfect Chaos from Sonic Adventure, Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2, The Egg Emperor from Sonic Heroes, the Secret Base boss from Sonic Advance, the Hot Crater boss from Sonic Advance 2, G-Emerl from Sonic Advance 3, Silver from Sonic 06, Blaze from Sonic Rush, the Egg Dragoon from Sonic Unleashed, Erazor Gjin from Sonic and the Secret Rings, King Arthur from Sonic and the Black Knight, the Nega Mother Wisp from Sonic Colors DS, and the Time Eater from Sonic Generations. The stages that you fight the bosses are: Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1 on Genesis, Death Egg Zone from Sonic 2 on Genesis, Stardust Speedway Good Future from Sonic CD, I don’t know if the stage where you fight Big Arms actually has a name, the level where you fight Fang in Sonic Triple Trouble, Can You Feel The Sunshine's level from Sonic R, the flooded Station Square from Sonic Adventure, The Ark from Sonic Adventure 2, Egg Fleet from Sonic Heroes, Secret Base from Sonic Advance, Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, The Moon from Sonic Advance 3, Crisis City from Sonic 06, the level where you fight Sonic or Blaze in Sonic Rush, a less bs version of the race against Johnny from Sonic Rush Adventure, Eggman Land from Sonic Unleashed, Evil Foundry from Sonic and the Secret Rings, I don’t know if there’s a name for the stage where you against King Arthur in SATBK, Terminal Velocity from Sonic Colors DS, the Void Of Time, which is what I will name that weird place where you fight The Time Eater. If we’re going with the whole 9-stages thing, then, I'd probably go with Bridge Zone from Sonic 1 on Master System/Game Gear, Scrambled Egg Zone from Sonic 2 on Master System/Game Gear, Gigapolis from Sonic Chaos, Secret Base from Sonic Advance, Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, Route 99 from Sonic Advance 3, Night Carnival from Sonic Rush, Sky Babylon from Sonic Rush Adventure, and Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors DS. For the 9 bosses, not counting The Time Eater, I'd say Bridge Zone’s boss from Sonic 1 on Master System/Game Gear, Silver Sonic from Sonic 2 on Master System/Game Gear, Fang or Nack from Sonic Triple Trouble, the boss in Secret Base from Sonic Advance, the boss in Hot Crater from Sonic Advance 2, G-Emerl from Sonic Advance 3’s final boss, Blaze from Sonic Rush, the Eggman-pirate-robot from Sonic Rush Adventure, Nega Mother Wisp from Sonic Colors DS, and The Time Eater. As for the Special Stage, I'd probably say a slightly slower version of Sonic 3’s Blue Spheres Special Stage where it doesn’t just suddenly go from 0 to 100 and is very easy to mess up with how fast it can go, either Sonic 3's Special Stage or the Special Stages in Sonic 1 on Master System/Game Gear, which are way less bs than the Sonic 1 on Genesis Special Stages with the bs physics and the fact that you'll just end up being knocked into the "Goal." I think Generations 3DS could’ve been a good game, it could’ve been as good as the Console and PC versions, with the Console and PC versions using stages, songs, and straight up remixes songs from the representation of the console games, Generations 3DS could’ve been like the Console and PC version, but, it acts as a representation of the handheld Sonic games, there have been many handheld Sonic games that released alongside the console games, Generations 3DS could’ve been a representation of the Game Gear titles, the GBA and DS games, hell, they could’ve even represented Sonic Rivals 1 and 2 for god’s sake. The 3DS version of Generations had so much potential and stuff to go off, but, we got a mediocre version of what could’ve been a good game. Think about it for a second, the Console and PC versions of Generations use a lot of material from all over the franchise, making it feel like a celebration of Sonic's history, not just as a video game character, but, the franchise as a whole. Generations 3DS has less art, less illustrations, less music, and less of the feeling of a celebration compared to the Console and PC version. I think I’m rambled long enough, so, I’m just going shut up and finally post a comment that I've been typing for around a hour.
You guys remember when sonic had the "hyper spindash" in sonic adventure?
For me if I was to pick the stages for this game this is what I would pick ( am keeping green hill and water Palace)
From sonic 2 since I know people really like this im going with mystic cave.
Sonic 3: since no stage was chosen from the 1st part ima say icecap
Sonic adventure: ima go for windy Valley
Sonic adventure 2 battle: since I got rid of the forest theme earlier im doing it here and going for green forest
Sonic colours. Since no space theme yet I'm going with starlight carnival
A boss pick for the DS era that is not the (probably most difficult in the whole franchise) space robot final boss of rush?
I mean, it may not be a good pick or anything, but I spent so much goddamn time trying to beat that thing that I really don't remember any other boss from that era.
I think every Sonic fan has made their own imaginary stage roster for the Gens 3DS we should have gotten
Yewwwwwww. Sorry I was one of those pining for the next sonic video release, but man I sure do love when you review these games👌
When sis played Generations on the 3DS, I was confused. We had played every Sonic Advance on online emulation back then, as well as owning both Rush and Rush Adventure, and yet of those, only Rush seemed to appear, replacing 06's Crisis City with Water Palace.
Like, I wasn't even asking to replace the Genesis era stages (Casino Night was a good choice imo, they just didn't know they could actually MAKE levels instead of just reusing from the classic games. Mushroom Hill's a bit more meh compared to Sky Sanctuary tho, but I still wasn't asking for some obscure Game Gear stuff either even if I would've appreciated the nod to them) or Tropical Resort (if keeping in line with console due to Colors being on both was the intent), but you can't tell me you're the developper behind Rush Adventure AND the Advance titles, and then NOT include either of them in the stage lineup. You even already have Rush itself, so why is Rush Adventure absent at all???
Don't get me wrong, Water Palace was still fun, but we could've had Cyber Track (one of my personal favorite levels if only for the music alone) or Sky Babylon. For what was supposed to be the "4th Rush game", it felt more like it was trying to be the console version but on limited hardware, celebrating the history that isn't even exactly its own.
i agree with all of your ideas for making Gens 3DS better.
one thing of my own i’d like to say is it should’ve ditched the boring lackluster 3D graphical style and instead go with pixels and sprite work. Classic Sonic is a sprite where Modern is 3D maybe? idk, I just find the other handheld sonic art styles much more aesthetically pleasing because they take advantage of the handhelds low power where Gens 3DS just looks choppy and rough.
The big arm remix is sooooo good
I feel this game would’ve been much better had they made the modern stages in a 3D format. I even remember as a kid I was so excited to finally play sonic on the 3ds since I knew it was a stronger handheld just to be disappointed when I saw it was still stuck to 2d
Well at this point we have a generations remake on the horizon with shadow being playable so who really knows at this point what else could be added the story will be improved at least a little bit but yeah
This was the first version of the game I played. It's also what got me into Classic Sonic. I just loved everything about his design and the design of his world and characters far more than modern Sonic. Now I far prefer the classic games. Mania got me truly hooked on Classic Sonic's gameplay, Origins was an absolute blast for me, and now I'm looking forward to Superstars. (Definitely not eager to buy Superstars day-one, though. Not after Origins Plus.)
0:45 is that you J?
Generations 3DS was the version I played and goddamn I loved it so much, and agree with much of what you said
Altho I'd add also one other thing...Super Sonic on normal stages
Why wasn't he playable? is not like it would make the game easier because you get the emeralds at the end game
Also, I don't remember which button (I think the L) did a "honk" sound and I never knew what was that for. And I thought it was for super sonic, I was mistaken
I think sonic generations on 3ds was just a game on the go but I wish that city escape was a stage
I don't see any reason to call it "Rush 4", it's clunky to control, slow performing, short and easy as hell. Every single level and boss just made me want to play the originals instead.
It's definitely worth checking out if you like Sonic but dang, this could've been a really cool game if they'd gotten SOMETHING right.
3DS version will always have a Place in my heart
This game isa nice call back to it's old game stages
Honestly, I kinda liked the 3DS version more than the main console version. The stages just felt better to replay.
Honestly looking back on Generations 3DS, it did feel like a cheap tie-in, not mention a poor man’s version of the Console Version. They pulled a reverse Colors by having more characters in the Console Version and just Sonics, Tails and Eggmen in the 3DS version But don’t get me wrong I still enjoyed the game, it just felt too short.
I would definitely play your true version that pulls levels from Game Gear, GBA and DS Games, while paying homage to handheld Sonic Games.
Personally as much i love sonic colors ds. I would prefer a representation of Sonic Pocket Adventure, because that is a hidden gem that many people havent played of the neo geo pocket, consider by the ones that played it as the first sonic advance. But i kinda understand why, that game felt more like sonic 2 "2", as most of the zone themes are remix of sonic 2, but with the music of sonic 3. Still, this was a great video and yeah, i am still a little bit dissapointed about generations 3ds because it really could be a celebration of the great story of sonic in handhelds.
I think Sonic Generations 3DS is pretty good it could be a better but I like it
Ahh yes. I remeber that classic sonic can do a homing attack
Dimps had a negative opinion amongst Sonic fans? Not with me. Okay I wasn't too keen on the Rush games but I loved the Advance games. No, I only had a negative opinion of them after Sonic 4. Very negative. But I didn't just blame them of course. My opinion of Sega was also ruined beyond repair with that game.
Bro I got three unskipable ads wtf .
The sonic generations 3ds game was so good and fun to play! 😁
I think Generations 3rd as okay. Nothing mind blowing, but still enjoyable for me at least.
I remember wishing this game was 3D
Honestly the only reason for me to play this game is for Water Palace & the Final Boss. And just like Colours DS there's no playable Blaze (even if it wouldn't make sense) so it's automatically inferior to the Rush games.
This is definitely a Sonic generations port on 3DS
babe wake up J posted
I must be one of the 5 people who enjoyed the 3DS version more than the console version. But I'm just not a fan of the modern/unleashed 3D sonic style.
Guys I’m getting a 2ds bc my 3ds broke and I already had this game so is it an exclusive to the ‘new’ line of 3ds
Yeah, I have the game. It was pretty good.
Scuse me? Dimps? As in the dragonball guys, made sonic ports? Hm...no wonder i had fun with this one
I don't get how if the 3DS is stronger than a PS2, why we couldn't have had a Unleashed type game for the 3DS, I guess memory bus is really the limiting factor?
Classic Sonic getting the homing attack right as they ran out of good level design is the funniest shit I've never noticed
Lmfaoooooo
The last two classic levels are amazing.
@@pinksemporium3175 You mean those in The Classic Era or the Modern Era, 'Cause i loved both Water Palace And Tropical Resort a lot!!!
@@ZackMaster98
Modern era.
@@pinksemporium3175 Yeah, that's what i thought, i loved these levels, Specially Tropical Resort!!!
Sonic Generations 3DS is a pretty decent game. I still prefer the console and PC version but I like the stages from the 3DS version well enough and the boss choices were interesting.
It's the only other time they acknowledged Mushroom Hill so I have to give it credit for that
@@NerdyNooki SPOILERS: it was also in the two live action sonic movies
@@NerdyNooki They acknowledged it in Sonic heroes when Knuckles was talking about mushroom forests in his Island
For me it was disappointing as fuck. I remember I was so excited when I got it because had the PC version but I couldn't play it because my laptop back then could barely run it. I thought at least I'd get to experience it in 3ds as a nice portable Sonic platformer but it really let me down how cheap it was. And the fact that both Sonics were 2D was soo lame. Sonic Colors did a way better job at making you feel like you kinda had a console Sonic game on the go.
@@Kaplykos I mean I get it ,it's your opinion but saying colors did it better is a no for me what did you expect it's a hand held if you felt that you was getting a console experience handheld feel you have put your expectations to high especially knowing this is sega . The 3ds was better than colors ds in ways and colors was aswell both had pros and cons the 3ds couldn't handle 3D esc sonic levels look at lost world that's literally a mario game generations is a High speed esc game you can't get made at the 3ds for having both 2d you should be mad at the console versions for that I even had some idiot call the game trash as a whole just because it didn't come out on the psp regardless hell nowadays with the help of redreem and Aethersx2 you can play dreamcast games and ps2 games at optimal/full speed on your phones 9/10 your phone is more powerful than the base 3ds and psp combined just goes to show the 3ds is weak as shit they did good on the levels not amazing but good enough to play .
I still enjoy this version of Generations a lot even if I do think the console version is better. That being said, I do agree it was horribly missed potential that they didn't lean more into that handheld history thing, so it was definitely interesting to see the results of that poll you made for what people thought should represent the handheld games in this. I will say that even though Radical Highway is a Shadow stage, its still cool having it in Generations, especially for the Rival Battle against Shadow because it makes it a reference to the intro cutscene for Sonic Adventure 2: Battle which took place there.
Sonic colour ds still my favorite
I like imagining both Generations games happening in one story, in order of zones and such
I mean I can’t just pretend the amazing Big Arm battle isn’t there lolll
Apparently this game had _6 months_ of development time, which explains a lot. That's geinuinly stunning in every manner. For as lackluster as this game sort of is, I respect Dimps a lot for managing to make this game as is.
Wow that's pretty crazy
There was a psp version that was cancelled
The online race mode was incredible back in the day. It was so cool how you got to not only compete with others, but get their player card with their miis, game records, how long they've been a Sonic fan, and their favorite characters and games.
Also Dimps nailed Classic Sonic's physics better than Sonic Team.
And now nobody plays the online, which makes me sad.
Didn't Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal and Fire and Ice had a similar online race mode?
@@smashmaster521 wtf are you on about? It takes 10 seconds to find a match
@@simplecovenant bro wdym
@@simplecovenantthat aged like milk
I actually played the 3ds version first, and while it wasn't mindblowing, it was still a good time for what it was, and I liked how it brought back levels from the handheld games for the boost era, even if I never played rush or colors (either version). I suppose it also helped that I played it BEFORE the PC version, so I wasn't comparing it to that during my playthrough.
Also, the time eater is legitimately a decent final boss fight in the 3ds version. It actually feels like a BOSS FIGHT where you have to actively dodge large, highly-telegraphed attacks rather than chasing it through an endless tunnel while it poots out hotboxes you have to avoid while your friends yell about the homing shots (they could at least have some variety in their warnings, or at least not always use the term "homing shot"). Overall, nothing to write home about, but it's still kinda funny that the oft-forgotten 3ds port has a significantly better final boss fight than the otherwise superior console/pc version.
Ikr, just like Colors, where the DS Ver. Has A Better Final Boss and Also A Secret True Boss than the Wii Ver.!!!
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ive actually never beaten time eater as a kid for years on the ds, he would just spam his attacks and i would lose because i would run out of rings
I don't think Dimps' reputation in the fanbase is as negative as you say, the Advance trilogy and the Rush trilogy are still considered "underrated masterpieces" by many fans, fans that also begs for their Remasters as well
I think the only games made by Dimps that everyone universally hates is Sonic 4 Ep.1, and Lost World 3DS to some extent
Even LW 3DS has its fans. Sure Dimps had their weaknesses, like certain level design tropes, but they had a ton of strengths too. I feel like most people only remember them for Sonic 4 since that was their only console game that wasn't overshadowed by a bigger HD version (even though it was supposed to be a mobile game).
@@Legoluigi26 I imagined those fans existed, that's why I said "to some extent", but I don't enjoy playing most of Dimps' games because of their level design philosophy, but I still appreciate how much they tried to change the regular 2D formula with innovative mechanics
Like Amy in Advance 1, the pre-boost in 2, partner system in 3, the Boost in Rush, the pirate atmosphere in Rush Adventure, and better writing in Colors, even their different takes on Generations and Lost World are kinda neat
I do not enjoy a single Sonic game made by DIMPS.
I agree with you that their reputation isn't as negative as you say. Everywhere I go, people love the DIMPS games. I've always felt like the minority in disliking them. If there really are other DIMPS dislikers out there, please take me to them, I want to return to my people.
I'm not just talking about Sonic 4 episode 1 either. Don't like the Advance games. Don't like Rush. Don't like Sonic 4 episode 2. Don't even like Pocket Adventure. If it's Sonic the Hedgehog and it's made by DIMPS, I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
@@mjc0961 ...wait, DIMPS made the Sonic game on NeoGeo Pocket Color, too!? Wasn't aware of that.
@@DragoonMS Not exactly; Pocket Adventure actually predates Dimps being founded, but the staff there previously worked at SNK*, where some of them worked on Pocket Adventure, and I imagine that Sega chose Dimps to develop Sonic Advance for that reason.
*Dimps' founding members also included former Capcom staff, just so we're clear.
This game was one of the only 3DS games I had back in the day, so I remember playing it a ton but eventually getting insanely bored of it. It’s still not bad at all though, and certainly much better than Lost World 3DS
Lost World 3DS started with a decent amount of promise. The controls are WAY better than the Wii U version, and Sonic is actually pretty fun to control, but then you get a few worlds in and the level design shits the bed so hard that it loses all of the potential it had to be a good game.
That snowball level is infamous for very good reason.
@@huntercrunch94 I actually think the snowball level is my only hated level in that game
i actually preferred the Lost world 3DS version
@@StevenJones851 SAME!
@@Sonderasf Agreed! It actally feels like a true 3D handheld Sonic game.
Imagine someone making a whole Sonic Generations 2 with those popular votes from each of the consoles. I would love to see that.
I would've loved:
- Ice Mountain from Advance since Generations was lacking in ice stages
- Techno Base from Advance 2 for its digital theme
- Mirage Road from Rush for its Egypt theme
- Sky Babylon from Rush Adventure because it's my fav stage in the game
- Asteroid Coaster was perfectly climactic
Nah imo Water Palace was definitely the right choice for Rush. Back 2 Back is incredibly iconic
I agree with Sky Babylon though
absolutely sky babylon, that stage is iconic. The defining stage of rush adventure
What about Advance 3? Me personally, I would've picked Route 99, Twinkle Snow, Cyber Track, or Chaos Angel.
Sky babylon would be quite late into generations so that makes sense, it's a cool level
Going with idea of the all handheld version of Gens 3DS
I would really like a stage based off of Tails Adventure, Like I know Sonic never actually went there, but I think that it is such a unique and overlooked aspect of Sonic's history that I think it kinda deserves a level
Why not a bonus unlockable tails stage?
I actually loved this game as a kid. I remember trying to get the fastest speed on radical highway act 2 for days on end. I also got a lot of mileage out of the online mode where you would race against another player. If I remember correctly, it was a pretty clean multiplayer experience
i agreed this version was very fun
Got a lot of fond memories with this version as it was among the first six games I got for my 3DS, especially once I got hooked on the online multiplayer, and it ended up being my first exposure to parts of the Adventure games. That said, despite my fondness for the game, which I made clear in the server, I really would've preferred some actual handheld representation worth a damn, especially after having played all of them. The discussion of what we could've had was pretty fun, and I hope that someone can make a game that pays tribute to Sonic's handheld legacy.
Sonic Generations was my second 3DS game.
@@skibot9974 Yes. I played a fair amount of it.
Generations was pretty fun on 3DS
Big agree. I also sunk hours into the online multiplayer. I thought I could possibly get all the card backgrounds, but it was not meant to be.
Btw online still exist on 3ds
For Gens 3D, I think I’d like a Green Hill with heavy Bridge Zone elements, perhaps more realized in the Act 2 of the game.
And add some of Jungle Zone's vines and logs on the top route.
1:09 To Skip Sponsor
New fans: "huh this is Sonic's generations"
Old fans: "this is sonic rush 4??"
Heres my take on a better 3DS Gens
Classic Era:
Sonic 1GG: Green Hill - I would choose Bridge because its more iconic in the GG version but definitly the "promotional material" argument is more heavy. Act 2 could use a more cavern and mountain design like the OG Act 2 in the game.
Sonic Chaos: Gigalopolis - Why Chaos instead of Sonic 2GG? Because I think it would be more sensical instead of another "console port" even tho it really isnt, besides Chaos in Japan is called "Sonic & Tails", so for the third zone been from "Sonic & Tails 2" which IS Triple Trouble JP name, it would make more sense as an exclusive duology for the GG. Gigalopolis because it makes a nice parallel to Chemical Plant and Casino Night in the OG games, which are city levels, and definitly it one of the most iconic next to Sleeping Egg.
Sonic Triple Trouble: Sunset Park - Ofc it is and you know why
Rival: Fang on Subspace - Yeah same reason as you said.
Boss: Blast Final Boss on Silver Castle - If we are gonna have a Blast mention in the game, IMO this boss is more iconic than the Chaos one, simply because its WAY MORE HARDER and frustating.
Dreamcast/GBA Era
All zones you mentioned fit perfectly.
Rival: Gemerl on Route 99 - Why Gemerl instead of Emerl? Because Emerl is dead, and would be a hard punch seen him again. Also using Route 99 here would be perfect since the Advance 3 zone would be Chaos Angel, and Route 99 fits with the "Rival battles mentioning the Rivals games"
Boss: Ultimate Gemerl - Yes repeating Gemerl twice, but like I said, we cant use Emerl. Why not another Eggman fight? Because like in console and 3DS, he aint the second boss, it cant be him, he only appears in the third one. I thought of using Mecha Knuckles or just Knuckles himself from Advance 2, but clearly the second boss needs to be something impactfull like Perfect Chaos and Biolizard, so Ultimate Gemerl. Idk if its going to be on Chaos Angel or Exception, because how would Sonic walk in Exception Zone if theres no ground?
Modern Era
All zones fit perfectly, Rivals and Boss too
I would've picked machine labyrinth for the rush adventure stage being an interesting idea with some cool gimick's to mess about with and the great music in the original. For colours i agree that asteroid coaster is the best stage for having it last as it feels like a dangerous environment that is a real challenge to get through in both versions with the roller coaster sections being a great set-piece to use. Finally for rush Leaf storm is a great opening level to introduce people to the mechanics with a great sense of speed with a outstanding music track in the form of "Right There Ride On".( Also minor note on the form for the rush stage roster leaf storm is named leaf forest which i don't know if that was localisation or an error on J's part.)
When Sonic Generations came to the Switch
It is now
Very soon, on 25 october
@@funofgames500 not what I meant, read the title of the vid first
This is the version I grew up with! I remember being so disappointed when I found out it wasn't a 3d platformer on 3ds. I only owned Nintendo consoles but Gens was the first game to make me want to own a non Nintendo console.
Did you like 3DS Lost World?
@@bortverde No I actually never played that one until 3 years ago and it sucks lmao. Controls are better than Wii U but level design is not very good imo
20:27 "It's pretty clear that Blaze should be the rival."
Well, uh, I wanted Johnny. Blaze is already an NPC in the console version so I think making her a rival would be inconsistent. PLUS, he'd be the most fitting rival for a race rival battle
Facts
This is a completely different game from the console version and I still have to get it.
17:31 That was one of the easiest final bosses I've ever encountered! What in the world made you think this was difficult?
Idk man. That boss fight looks really difficult
I just played the final boss of Sonic Generations on the 3DS and I can confidently say that you are DEAD WRONG. That boss was really difficult to beat and a lot of fun.
Sonic Generations on 3DS was a big disappointment. Honestly I didn't even plan on buying it at first, but I was given Christmas money around that time and thought "eh, why not". I beat it the day I got it. I mean the console version of Generations was short too, but 3DS Gen was extremely short. It really did feel like a rush job cause they really could've made use of the handheld Sonic games more. But of course one of the only portable exclusive levels they went with was Water Palace, with some of the worst music in Sonic history. I hated it in Sonic Rush and it's just as bad in 3DS Gen. But anyway, overall the game could've been worse, but it's just a bland experience.
i feel like you are overly judging the 3DS version, they put tons of time and effort into the game like trust me i know it could have been better, i feel like if they were to do all hand held then it would be kinda boring because there would not be much to work with, and technically one could argue if you count the portable Sega genesis then the classic stages are hand held as well as them being mobile variants. if you look in the files u can see alot of unused asset's
@@jlev1028 YES THE NOMAD!!!
Fun fact in special stage 1, you can press and hold boost the entire time without ever changing directions and you will complete the special stage
I feel like the newfound hatred for Dimps is a relatively recent development. Prior the Sonic 4: Episode 1, Dimps was referred by much of the fanbase, and their output on GBA and DS was even enjoyed by critics!
Yeah Sonic Four really soured peoples expectations with Dimps despite how absolutely godlike they were with the GBA and DS games
@@dantemustdie00and Sonic 4 is just mediocre. There is way worse