Regrets from 60 Days Building A Pedalboard (Strymon Iridium/Walrus Audio/Boss MS-3)

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  • @anthonygroves16
    @anthonygroves16 11 місяців тому +13

    This is so good Justin! Not many people talk about the headaches and the time it takes to really learn your gear. It’s not as easy as slapping a bunch of pedals together and it sounds amazing. Even just trying to copy settings from pedals you see on stages from Bethel and Elevation. You gotta really sit down, and find the settings that work for your rig. This is great bro 🙌🏼

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Thanks bro! Coming from a pedal master like yourself, I’m humbled! Even the slightest change in a pedal upstream can cause a cascade of changes downstream. That’s one of the things I’m still wrapping my head around, LOL.

  • @sundaytone
    @sundaytone 11 місяців тому +5

    You put a lot of work into that! I think I finally have all the components (hopefully) for my big board build. Going to try to assemble it this weekend - wish me luck!

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Whoa! I’ve been following your Instagram, I’m excited to see the progress of the build! I know you’re gonna crush it.

  • @HeyWorshipLeader
    @HeyWorshipLeader 11 місяців тому +3

    I really enjoyed watching this, Justin. Thanks for just being real

  • @helldeirch
    @helldeirch 11 місяців тому +2

    I bought my pedals one by one and built the pedalboard when it got many, that's why I didn't get disappointed by the sound, I already knew how they sounded

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Me too, actually. I had bought the various parts of the rig in separate batches. The MS-3 and Iridium were on the same board before. The Walrus Audio and Pigtronix pedals were added later (in other boards). So I knew how the Iridium/MS-3 combo worked, this video chronicled all of them being put together.

  • @lagoonschool
    @lagoonschool 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi Justin, just sumbled upon your youtube channel. Thank-you for this info and yes we can certainly head off in directions that may not help but make things more challenging. I have tried to keep things as simple as possible ? 1965 fender deluxe reverb amp, moor re-echo, strymon cloudburst, boss waxa blues driver, boss chorus, boss dd 5 delay, boss tuner, mxr dyna comp compression and my favorite distoration mesa throttle box. In church I swap ou the fender tube amp with a Katana head to ensure I'm at a volume that works for the setting. Cheers and continue on Worshipping our Lord while promoting the Gospel of Christ.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  10 місяців тому

      Hi there, thanks for stopping by! I love the simplicity of mono signal paths into a single amp. Cool rig you have! That Blues Driver and Throttle Box combination sounds unique and flexible!

  • @trebleboost7
    @trebleboost7 11 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video Justin! So very ambitious to do an ‘all at once with mostly new pedals’ build. I took an attitude early on to introduce a pedal at a time and find that even adding one pedal can change the ecosystem of the board. But, it does create a bit of a ‘Tetris’ task. Lovely to see your wife and her helping with the unboxing. My wife - “OK, what black box did you buy now”. Doesn’t help that I am a keyboardist and recordist too. I am almost done, right?

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Haha, they were technically bought in different batches, and I've played around them in different boards. The Walrus and Pigtronix on a PT Nano actually rocks with a live amp! But I do agree that even one pedal makes a big change.

  • @GuitarWorkshop
    @GuitarWorkshop 11 місяців тому

    Thank you. Great video and deep insights. Really appreciate your detailed explanations.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  10 місяців тому

      Thank you for watching and for the kind words! Hope you got something of value from it!

  • @Epiwater11
    @Epiwater11 10 місяців тому +1

    Multi-Fx is very versatile and one can get almost endless tones( who need that many anyway). I started with fx but once i go to individual pedal set up, a mixed of digital n analog, i don't think i can go back full fx anymore at the moment. Mainly is the feels of playing on your fingers.
    Not a full time career musician but having the appropriate rig can make playing very enjoyable.
    Most boutique pedals like Strymon are good for realistic reason- quality sound . How the effects go thru the amp and flow thru the atmosphere....
    Good clip you'd make and thank you.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  10 місяців тому +1

      There is a level of simplicity from multi fx that I do miss especially when troubleshooting something wrong on the board. I could be tweaking and jamming instead of pulling out a bad patch cable.

  • @guitarspeakpodcast1383
    @guitarspeakpodcast1383 11 місяців тому +2

    Love the honesty in this video! As a side note, the MS 3 is an excellent midi controller in its own right and pairs brilliantly with a HX stomp.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому +1

      Thank you! Indeed it is! I did have a setup with the MS-3 on my HX Stomp board, and have used it to control tap tempo and toggle a myriad of effects bypass.

  • @MattCrill
    @MattCrill 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video...lot of work...really makes me glad I have my Helix. 😀

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому +2

      Thank you! Oh yes that certainly makes things easier. But the time saved goes into endless tweaking and block moving!

    • @craigspicer9518
      @craigspicer9518 11 місяців тому +2

      Same.

  • @andrewegmuller2179
    @andrewegmuller2179 6 місяців тому +1

    I found this video because I'm currently looking for clues on how to improve the sound of my rig, where the MS-3 and the Strymon Iridium are the core elements, like on your pedalboard. And also like you, I'm unhappy with the sound of it. The Strymon Iridium as standalone unit sounds awesome. But as soon as I integrate it in one of the MS-3 Loop it looses a lot of its brilliance and I also notice some digital noise in some patches. Most likely this occurs because the output signal of the Iridium is too hot for the MS-3.
    Thus, I would really like to hear more of your insights regarding the Strymon Iridium 🙂
    Right now I plan to put the Iridium at the very end of my signal chain, to see (hear!) if that improves anything. I guess in this kind of setup it would be useful, if the Iridium had a dedicated FX loop.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  6 місяців тому

      I'll put that request for the Iridium into my project pipeline, thanks for that!

  • @nball461
    @nball461 9 місяців тому +1

    Just got the iridium and also getting a lot of fuzz/mush running only one or two drives into it so would love to hear your thoughts/a video on how to best set that up (I wasn’t getting any fuzz running up to three drives into my valve amp!)

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  9 місяців тому +1

      Which amp model are you using on the Iridium? This pedal is a lot more finnicky than others, but I wonder if it's a matter of the particular amp they modelled which doesn't have high headroom, or the speaker circuit doesn't play nice with stacked drives. But indeed, that's a great video suggestion, I think I might do a deep dive on the Iridium. I have an upcoming video addressing the issue of clean gain in the system which might be useful for you, look out for that this Tuesday, 09Apr24!

    • @nball461
      @nball461 9 місяців тому

      @@AllAboutWorshipGuitar thanks for the reply! Yeah I guess it’s logical but I was getting the most clipping and fuzz off the punch when adding OD in front of it, and a little when using the chime with too much gain set on the pedal and almost none with the round (it’s a lot cleaner than the others to start). Also a question I have which maybe you could include is that in the iridium manual on page4 it has some tips and tricks and one is to put time based effects after the iridium.. so my question is on stage if running it that way would I simply run the outputs of my last pedal (reverb in my case) into the DI box on stage? And would it potentially help reduce that clipping?

  • @SurviveTheDay
    @SurviveTheDay 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video with detailed analysis of your journey. I too kind of regret building my Temple Audio board. It’s amazing that everything is modular, but my Helix Rack + Controller does so much more and sounds just as good as the real pedals, even my over priced Strymon pedals.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  10 місяців тому

      Thank you for the kind words! Whoa, Helix Rack and Controller, that’s a cool rig! Any other rack effects you’re using with that?

  • @AlecBourneMidiMadScientist
    @AlecBourneMidiMadScientist 11 місяців тому

    Great video, really enjoyed watching this.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Thank you for watching! It was enjoyable putting this together!

  • @saltstream
    @saltstream 11 місяців тому +1

    Love the video. Can you use the aux output on the Dunlop straight into the tuner and do away with the Boss line selector? A stereo reverb or delay into the Iridium at the end of the chain would be better than the mono stuff IMHO.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      I can actually do away with the tuner since the Boss MS-3 has one but its display only really works indoors. I do want to try it though, haha.

  • @davidoliver3589
    @davidoliver3589 11 місяців тому

    I love this video. I have been through some of the problems you have and it’s comforting to know I’m not alone! I cant play to your standard, but I love playing! I tried the boss line selector once but I found it stole tone. I lost highs and felt like a blanket was pulled over my amp. Could you use the tuner in its own loop so you get rid of the boss pedal? May help clean things up. Just a thought.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching, and thank you for the suggestion! I might just ditch both the LS-2 and the tuner since the MS-3 has a tuner too. Someone else also suggested limiting the pedal chain in the effects loop of the MS-3.

  • @13aphomet
    @13aphomet 11 місяців тому +1

    Are the volumes on the LS2 supposed to be turned all the way down like that? I think noon is unity gain isn't?
    Prolly wouldn't hurt to throw an ep booster or 29 pedals euna type thing at the front to fight muddiness and mush..

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      When used purely as an A/B box, the volume control is bypassed so it doesn’t matter where the knobs are set. I might just get rid of the LS-2 and the tuner, actually, since the MS-3 also has a tuner!

    • @trebleboost7
      @trebleboost7 11 місяців тому

      @@AllAboutWorshipGuitar the ES8 has a tuner out that I connect a Polytune to. Does the MS3?

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      No the MS-3 has a built-in tuner, accessed by long-pressing the memory mode switch. It’s decent, but with that calculator screen it’s quite hard to read in sunlight.

  • @stevenbatke2475
    @stevenbatke2475 11 місяців тому +1

    I’ve been collecting pedals for a good 20 years now. I find I can only take on one new pedal at a time. It has to play nicely with the other friends on the playground, otherwise I don’t keep it.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  10 місяців тому +1

      My situation is like a new apartment complex opening up and all the kids meet at the playground for the first time. And then realising they’re stuck cause their parents need to live here for a while (in Singapore we have something called a Minimum Occupancy Period which is 5 years for new housing projects).

  • @jardez1266
    @jardez1266 11 місяців тому +1

    Question, how do get rid of snapshots on pod go? because it’s annoying having to click multiple times to switch to a different preset

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      You can't get rid of them, but you can have some workarounds. If you have a two-button aux switch, you can configure that to do Preset Up/Down. Or, if you can live with 4 footswitches instead of 6 in FS mode, you can configure FS mode to 4 switches and have the Up/Down switches configured to Preset Up/Down.

  • @ShreddingFinn
    @ShreddingFinn 11 місяців тому +1

    Yes oh boy please do an Iridium video. Are you EQing the Iridium heavily with anything?

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      It's in the pipeline! Nope, all EQ is from the stock tone stack. Majority of the EQ is from the choice of IR, which at the moment is the old sampler pack from WT.

  • @TheG7thcapo
    @TheG7thcapo 11 місяців тому +1

    My rig is revstar rs502 plugged into a fender micro to a bose companion 20. Works well for me🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @JeffHendricks
    @JeffHendricks 11 місяців тому +1

    The Walrus Slotva is LEGIT. Love that thing.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      What a vibe, right!? It takes modulation reverb to a whole new level.

  • @demilademoses5515
    @demilademoses5515 11 місяців тому +2

    I think your biggest problem was that you ran 2 drives, mono delay and reverb into the iridium and then ran that mono into the fx loop of the boss which makes everything mushy and thin. It would've been better if you had the walrus stuff sent into the boss then a stereo verb from the boss to "glue" everything together stereo into the front end of the iridium and ran that to the line isolator

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Those are great suggestions, thank you! I’ll need to get a TRS-TS Y cable for that since the Iridium needs TRS for stereo input.

  • @gerald5175
    @gerald5175 11 місяців тому

    Currently building my first board. Very very simple in comparison to the Mount Everest that you undertook. I'm primarily an acoustic guitar based Christian artist. I'm starting with a Radial PZ-Pre, Fishman afx acoustiverb, Fishman afx echoback delay, Fishman afx bluechorus, LR Baggs Session...and then I debated about the HX Stomp or the Ampero Stomp and went with the Ampere because of the sheer horsepower and I really like the tones from it. It gave me the option to do the occasional full electric worship sound when I occasionally do it.
    The great thing about the fishman pedals is the effects don't land on the acoustic tone. It's almost as if they land beside it. I have really great handmade acoustic guitars that sound amazing so I really liked that idea. The PZ Pre is a go to preamp for a lot of the major acoustic finger style guitar players so that was a no brainer.
    Thanks so much for this video. It was a great reminder that everything is a process. Peace...

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for sharing your setup! I've never explored gear catered for acoustic guitar, as I'm primarily an electric guitarist. Sounds like an equally deep rabbit hole to deep dive into!

  • @mikemattingly5825
    @mikemattingly5825 11 місяців тому +2

    This video has been like my whole guitar playing career. 😅

  • @robbarker9878
    @robbarker9878 11 місяців тому +3

    If visual sound before the rebrand counts as "so old" we are in trouble... Sincerely, Your fellow millennial...

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      You're the only other person I've met so far (other than my band mates) who knows True Tone's first brand name!

  • @musicafteroldage
    @musicafteroldage 11 місяців тому +2

    Well, I’ve never had those issues with my Valeton GP-100 hehehe

    • @alexforget
      @alexforget 11 місяців тому +1

      exactly, still 100's of things in that multi-fx.
      The only thing missing is a few footswitch and a bigger screen.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому +1

      I guess I know what multi-fx I'm going to try next!

    • @musicafteroldage
      @musicafteroldage 11 місяців тому

      @@AllAboutWorshipGuitar haha in all seriousness, it's like $100 USD but, even owning the Helix, I kept going back to it (I am old and lazy I guess?) But, like I always say, the most important thing is the mix. In the mix, it's very difficult to tell nowadays if you are using a a $100 multi-fx or a $200K Dumble ¯\_(°°)_/¯

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому +1

      The folks like us might be able to tell, or the one bona fide producer/mix engineer in the congregation (1 in 1000?). The difference between a $20 and $200 pedal is discernible, but beyond that from $500 to $5k, it really is splitting hairs in the details!

  • @JediObiDave
    @JediObiDave 11 місяців тому +1

    Strymon Iridium video would be awesome.

  • @zachjarrett8730
    @zachjarrett8730 11 місяців тому +2

    Have you tried running an isolated power supply?
    Under powering mA hungry digital fx is going to have a cost on the clarity. You are asking a high quality DAC to run starved. And we know this extends to analog circuits as well. Sometimes those artifacts are desirable for an analog pedal, but not always; certainly not with a pedal converting you signal both ways (A/D - D/A).
    The iOS power is not just about noise. Even though you are getting a better result, you should take the time to audition the difference.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      That’s an interesting info tidbit, I’m not sure if I can tell there’s power-starving, indeed I will have to try it with an isolated power supply. I have one on my smaller Mono board, will have to try!

  • @alexforget
    @alexforget 11 місяців тому +1

    Valeton gp-100 for IR and most things
    Zoom G1X for delays, reverbs, chorus, noise gate, looper, tuner, etc.
    Total 250$

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      And those two cover an impressive array of gear needs! I'm totally going to see if I can get a whole of the Valeton...

  • @DrBadLlama
    @DrBadLlama 11 місяців тому

    I've changed stuff so often, but GAS has bit me a couple times, where I regret selling stuff I had because something new and shiny came out. Often that gear is cool, but not for us. Amp tone is first and foremost for me though. I went through a few amp sounds before I landed an what I have now (UA Lion and Ruby using a parallel blender) and I'm very please with the base amp tone.

    • @trebleboost7
      @trebleboost7 11 місяців тому +1

      That is an intruiging setup.

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      This is the first time I've heard of a parallel blend of dual UA pedals! Do you have the option of making them run in stereo L/R?

    • @DrBadLlama
      @DrBadLlama 11 місяців тому

      @@AllAboutWorshipGuitarYes. I run drives, modulation and wet fx into the GFI duophony then send that signal out to my Lion and Ruby then back into the pedal where I run either a preset output blend of 80% Ruby/20% Lion for cleaner tones or a preset of 80% Lion /20% Ruby for heavier rhythm or lead. So the output for both left and right run whatever mix I'm sending so imagine it's full stereo within each output channel. It sounds huge. You can also output one loop to left and the other loop to right. It also works great if you want to run all drives and modulation into the duophony and put your delay in one loop and the reverb in the other to use presets to set the mix of reverb and delay hitting the amps after the blender.

  • @anthony_shay
    @anthony_shay 11 місяців тому +1

    You: 4 pedals
    Wife: huh?? How come so many? 😂

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому +3

      And I can’t hide new pedals cause she can tell based on shape and colours!

    • @anthony_shay
      @anthony_shay 11 місяців тому +1

      @@AllAboutWorshipGuitarJustin, I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and they are great. Really enjoy them! I’m a fellow guitar player and worship leader at my church in California. I’ve been using Helix since 2018. Never had pedals and after watching your experience I don’t think I ever want to mess with one either lol.

  • @caged7tiger
    @caged7tiger 11 місяців тому +1

    Seems like you didn’t do any research and jumped in feet 1st… definitely would have stayed away from daisy chaining all those pedals 2. Under using the boss m3 and 3 what kinda of cables you used to connect the pedals…

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      1) I did, even calculating the power requirements to ensure the pedals don't exceed the One Spot. Bob Weil has gone on record to say you can try powering modern digital pedals, some won't have the usual digital noise. It was exciting to learn the Iridium doesn't have that problem.
      2) Yup I'll admit it's under-utilised. It sometimes lives on my HX Stomp board where I use MIDI control to change parameters on the Stomp, swap pedals out, etc.
      3) Rockstock patch cables! The best I've experienced!

  • @lastreagandemocrat
    @lastreagandemocrat 11 місяців тому +1

    Mo' pedals, mo' problems.

  • @crock2434
    @crock2434 11 місяців тому

    1 spot for all that? Get an ISO PSU...

    • @AllAboutWorshipGuitar
      @AllAboutWorshipGuitar  11 місяців тому

      It was an experiment. As it is with all boards, there’s the process of tearing everything up and then redoing. I have a CIOKS DC7 on my smaller board which I might experiment with next time!