The GVW is set by DOT, as the truck may handle more weight technically, if you go over 26K GVW, the driver then needs to have a commercial license. So they set it this way so your employees can drive it without a CDL
It’s a nice looking truck if nothing else…..I think me and you are around the same age and what I find most disturbing about new vehicles anymore is most of us paid for our first house what a new work truck costs anymore!
Nice truck! Fluid film is key to keeping them long term. You can always fix mechanical issues but rust is another story. Try different heights on receiver and heights on trailer hitch
This truck is a joint venture with international, we test drove 1 decided to go with ford because of size for plowing, and f 550 rides a bit better. Great video sir
In my mind the only way I could justify the expense of a diesel engine in anything less than a really big truck is by putting a lot of miles on it. I loved the Super Duty I used to have with the V-10 gas. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with this rig!
GM built an 8.1 liter gas engine back in the early 2,000's. I had one and it was a good engine. Shame they aren't offering something similar today. Thank you Pete!
Overall, that's a nice truck you got yourself there Chris. Yep, all of those sensors & the EPA B.S. really hurts the abilities of the truck. Other that putting the after market suspension stuff on the truck, you're probably going to be stuck with the rough ride when towing the trailer. The price of these trucks anymore no matter the size really make it hard to justify their price. Thanks for the overview. Take care.
My company uses gm trucks. 2500s. 3500. And a 6500 All of the 2500s and 3500 have been super reliable. All gas engines. The 6.0s have stood the test of time. We have 3- 6.6s have been great but still pretty new. The 6500 is a duramax. It’s a 2021-22. That truck has not been great. Typical emissions related bullshit. I don’t drive it but I believe it’s been in limp mode quite a few tIMES. your truck looks sweet. Good luck with it.
Nice truck Chris!! I'm on my 3rd Ford diesel and will probably be my last. I had no issues, but the cost is out of control. I looked up the rating and Im baffled. Even my 12 year old 1 ton dually has a comb of 32K. Thats really odd. At first i thought maybe you were reading a gas motor specs,but you say there isn't any so i don't know.
@dehavenfamilyfarm I'm not sure about Chevy but with the Fords once you get into the cab and chassis trucks the engines use different programming. They are actually tuned to create less power because most of them will be fleet trucks with drivers who don't care. They'd hold it to the floor while driving up a mountain and have the EGTs threw the roof. Also they have smaller turbo. You may want to check into that for yours.
The combined gvwr is what matters. At least in Arizona. So curb weight means nothing even if you are under 26,001 lbs. Typical government BS you need to have a less capable vehicle to be legal 🤔
can a regular box like hd 3500 be put on 4500 5500? i would like a more "statement daily driver" but useable box. what was the wasting time on regen? park and walk
I can understand your frustration on the emissions and regeneration stuff. That is wild on the towing, never paid much attention to the specifics of those series. That sure doesn't leave you much room for towing 😳 My new service truck at the daily is a 2023 3500 crew cab, 4x4. It has the 6.6 liter gas,and the 10 SPD automatic. I will have say that thing is a beast, and tows amazing!! But I guess they dont offer those in 4500-5500 trucks. 🤔🧐 I do wonder if that added hitch length does have something to do with it. My ole service truck did similar, until the airbag install. But those were alot cheaper Im sure than the ones for a truck that size. I finally broke down and bought another single axle road tractor 🤦🤣🤣 The treasure hauling is going to the next level now 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 That is a nice truck for sure though Mr Chris. Hope things work themselves out with it!! Stay warm sir!! 😁😁😁👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am considering getting a four door 4x4 chassis model for a flatbed and doing the super single 41 inch tire conversion just for personal use to haul my SxS.
Not to be rude but everything you are complaining about with exception of the towing/ bouncing issue was known prior to buying. Tow specs are clear on these trucks. Did you not know you were buying a standard cab? Everyone is dealing with these emissions issues just take the truck on longer drives now and again for regen issues. Knowing the tow ratings in advance could have negated problems buy purchasing with an aluminum bed and aluminum trailor. Then gcwr is within limits and some extra. Just saying. 😅 still a great truck.
My oldest but a Chevy when he was farming and it wouldn’t pull like is Ford. He bout a Ford with a diesel and hated it and went back to a gas engine. I say to each his own. Enjoy it Chris and hope you have a blessed day and week ahead my friend.
Don't know much about the newfangled things, but it sure looks like there are some dinky little tires on it. At least from my end. Might be why there's little clearance under the truck, too.
*Hopefully you don't experience all the issues that I have :/ It is back at the shop now. Never again but my new truck is in so fingers crossed. Why is your truck not capable of the next GVRW on that chart has the same hardware. IF you don't have a cdl like I tell people I can tow more with my F-250 then my buddies F-450 because of the numbers. I was hauling corn with it at 39,000 lbs. That is the only time it has hauled a trailer because for biz I'm not allowed. Good luck it's a nice looking truck!* #WorldsOkayestFarmer
You have too much behind the axle . A pintle hitch would help by bringing the load closer to the truck . The problem is fuel tank and axle placement . The truck is setup for payload .
This line Chevrolet trucks were not made as towing vehicles; They are way better for capacity loads for a flatbed, dump bed, Or a cargo box that is were they are truly designed for. For towing you need to stick with the 3500 series dually P/U which has a higher towing capacity rating.
My Son ordered a 2024 Ford F350 Window sticker said for 99,980 Dolars.... It Can BE YOURS.... It has made a Tow for The SunBelt Ag Exo to pick up a krone Baler a n 8 basket KRONE Tedder, and Louiville to bring back another Krone Baler......
@@rontopping2048 I understand that. It looks like the GCWR is purposely kept at 26,000lbs. If it is greater than 26,001lbs the operator would have to have a CDL (assuming they are operating the vehicle commercially). It’s the same reason GM sells de-rated 3/4 ton pickups with 10,000lbs GVWR to avoid needing DOT registration numbers.
@@Stlchevy Chevy 6500 which I dont believe is made anymore was 26kgvw. This is a 5500. Most likely 19500 to 22,000 gvw. International mv would be 26k gvw. This Chevy is a joint venture with international trucks
@@Stlchevy in Massachusetts we can tow 10k and under trailer behind 26k gvw truck with no cdl. I usually tow with my f 350 pickup 12k gvw and my trailer is 12000 gvw . Its easy to overload our 10k gvw trailer, trailer weight is 2500 alone.
@@rontopping2048 very cool. His question is about max towing and the GCWR. I’m telling him manufacturers, no matter who, de-rate trucks so companies can avoid needing operators with CDLs. But this does bring up that his GVWR is >10,001lbs so he does need DOT numbers and company info on either side of the vehicle if he is operating commercially.
I never dreamed I would either, but I would have lost a lot of money from excavating projects if I hadn't bought it. Our other truck, which is now sold, had been sitting waiting for backordered parts for 3 months and I just couldn't wait any longer...
@@dehavenfamilyfarm Yes, it make sense if your working it and it’s putting money in your pocket. I run a large gooseneck dump trailer. That’s a sweet skid steer you picked up. Another moneymaker. You can’t go wrong with Kubota.
Wow. 1. No 4x4 is a non stater 4 me. 2. Gas engine these days is a must. 3. Obviously I would never own a modern diesel engine from any manufacturer because of the emissions factor you mentioned earlier. 4. I would gladly sacrifice some power/tourq & capability to have a gas engine. Especially if the work was local anyway. 5. I would order a smaller truck with a gas engine & 4x4 and trade up and just eat the cost, seriously!
If it's 19k, u can only tow a 7k trailer unless u have a cdl. Im buying a gmc 2500 so i can haul 14k trailers. I have a ram 5500 with a 19k gvw and got picked up by dot with a 10k trailer. i got some hefty tickets. Luckily, my trailer for landscaping is 7k. States do vary, but most of the time, with a f550 or 5500, you can t tow more than 7k or 6.5k trailers. Good luck. im in the same boat. Just stay local and prey every time you tow unless you have a cdl.
Na I’ll invest in a Kenworth T180 or T280 which is specifically designed to handle 19,000 GVW and 26,000 GVW respectively with the PACCAR or Cummings engine and Eaton Fuller transmission and suspension system to handle the weight with a comfortable ride ontop of receiving my ROI. Including better dealer service and parts availability.
Yep! Dot is making a killing off these landscaping companies who are not compliant. & most cdl licence holders don't want the cheap pay or the other work the company might want them to do for working for a landscaping company.
You do know that you could have ordered the truck from the factory with what you want I’m surprised that you didn’t know that except for the gas engine that you wanted but if you haul any heavy equipment with that truck you would want a diesel engine and not a gas one
I wish I could have but I needed a truck right away (our other truck at the time had been sitting broken for 4 months waiting for backordered parts) and it would have taken a year to get one if I ordered one. Waiting that long was unfortunately not an option and due to covid it was hard to even find one on a dealers lot that was ready to go.
The GVW is set by DOT, as the truck may handle more weight technically, if you go over 26K GVW, the driver then needs to have a commercial license. So they set it this way so your employees can drive it without a CDL
It’s a nice looking truck if nothing else…..I think me and you are around the same age and what I find most disturbing about new vehicles anymore is most of us paid for our first house what a new work truck costs anymore!
That it a scary thought, but so true! A person could have most definitely found a nice house around here years ago for this kind of money.
Nice truck! Fluid film is key to keeping them long term. You can always fix mechanical issues but rust is another story. Try different heights on receiver and heights on trailer hitch
Those kind of trucks are made for payload capacity not towing. Better off getting a 1ton dually for towing.
The surging from the trailer might mean you have to shift the weight more forward to load the axles…might try shifting load.
Another fellow who had a similar model as yours greatly reduced the bouncing by adding more leafs to the front spring pack.
This truck is a joint venture with international, we test drove 1 decided to go with ford because of size for plowing, and f 550 rides a bit better. Great video sir
Dang! Nice looking truck too. I think a lot of truck buyers are ditching diesels for gas.
Thanks! I believe you are correct- too many complications with new diesels...
In my mind the only way I could justify the expense of a diesel engine in anything less than a really big truck is by putting a lot of miles on it. I loved the Super Duty I used to have with the V-10 gas.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do with this rig!
GM built an 8.1 liter gas engine back in the early 2,000's. I had one and it was a good engine. Shame they aren't offering something similar today. Thank you Pete!
Nice looking truck. I struggle to justify the dollars at this point in life.
Thank you Chris.
Things are stupid expensive anymore, but unfortunately I needed a truck. It's the most I have ever spent on a vehicle... Thanks Bryce 🙂
Overall, that's a nice truck you got yourself there Chris. Yep, all of those sensors & the EPA B.S. really hurts the abilities of the truck. Other that putting the after market suspension stuff on the truck, you're probably going to be stuck with the rough ride when towing the trailer. The price of these trucks anymore no matter the size really make it hard to justify their price. Thanks for the overview. Take care.
Thank you for the input, and you sure are right about the prices!!
My company uses gm trucks. 2500s. 3500. And a 6500 All of the 2500s and 3500 have been super reliable. All gas engines. The 6.0s have stood the test of time. We have 3- 6.6s have been great but still pretty new. The 6500 is a duramax. It’s a 2021-22. That truck has not been great. Typical emissions related bullshit. I don’t drive it but I believe it’s been in limp mode quite a few tIMES. your truck looks sweet. Good luck with it.
Shocker has a air ride hitch that you might try I have one on my truck it does help
I put a Firestone red label kit on mine and it helps smooth out the rear a little even when empty. Still rides like a pogo stick, but it’s a 4x4
Nice truck Chris!! I'm on my 3rd Ford diesel and will probably be my last. I had no issues, but the cost is out of control.
I looked up the rating and Im baffled. Even my 12 year old 1 ton dually has a comb of 32K. Thats really odd. At first i thought maybe you were reading a gas motor specs,but you say there isn't any so i don't know.
I don't understand why 3500's can tow more- makes no sense to me! The chart in the manual shows the 26k- I was hoping I was wrong 😐 Thanks!
@dehavenfamilyfarm I'm not sure about Chevy but with the Fords once you get into the cab and chassis trucks the engines use different programming. They are actually tuned to create less power because most of them will be fleet trucks with drivers who don't care. They'd hold it to the floor while driving up a mountain and have the EGTs threw the roof. Also they have smaller turbo. You may want to check into that for yours.
The combined gvwr is what matters. At least in Arizona. So curb weight means nothing even if you are under 26,001 lbs. Typical government BS you need to have a less capable vehicle to be legal 🤔
can a regular box like hd 3500 be put on 4500 5500? i would like a more "statement daily driver" but useable box. what was the wasting time on regen? park and walk
I wonder what he means by the truck needs to “re-gen”? What for and what is involved in that?
I can understand your frustration on the emissions and regeneration stuff. That is wild on the towing, never paid much attention to the specifics of those series. That sure doesn't leave you much room for towing 😳 My new service truck at the daily is a 2023 3500 crew cab, 4x4. It has the 6.6 liter gas,and the 10 SPD automatic. I will have say that thing is a beast, and tows amazing!! But I guess they dont offer those in 4500-5500 trucks. 🤔🧐 I do wonder if that added hitch length does have something to do with it. My ole service truck did similar, until the airbag install. But those were alot cheaper Im sure than the ones for a truck that size. I finally broke down and bought another single axle road tractor 🤦🤣🤣 The treasure hauling is going to the next level now 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 That is a nice truck for sure though Mr Chris. Hope things work themselves out with it!! Stay warm sir!! 😁😁😁👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Can't wait to see what you bought! Thank you Nelson 🙂
@@dehavenfamilyfarm Well , you knowy budget though 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am considering getting a four door 4x4 chassis model for a flatbed and doing the super single 41 inch tire conversion just for personal use to haul my SxS.
Not to be rude but everything you are complaining about with exception of the towing/ bouncing issue was known prior to buying. Tow specs are clear on these trucks. Did you not know you were buying a standard cab? Everyone is dealing with these emissions issues just take the truck on longer drives now and again for regen issues. Knowing the tow ratings in advance could have negated problems buy purchasing with an aluminum bed and aluminum trailor. Then gcwr is within limits and some extra. Just saying. 😅 still a great truck.
My oldest but a Chevy when he was farming and it wouldn’t pull like is Ford. He bout a Ford with a diesel and hated it and went back to a gas engine. I say to each his own. Enjoy it Chris and hope you have a blessed day and week ahead my friend.
Thank you- you as well!!
Do you like the side tool boxes?
Don't know much about the newfangled things, but it sure looks like there are some dinky little tires on it. At least from my end. Might be why there's little clearance under the truck, too.
All the new trucks today have massive bodies on them. They almost seem too big for the chassis.
They are a smaller size tire- 19.5 instead of 22.5. I guess they are cheaper? lol
*Hopefully you don't experience all the issues that I have :/ It is back at the shop now. Never again but my new truck is in so fingers crossed. Why is your truck not capable of the next GVRW on that chart has the same hardware. IF you don't have a cdl like I tell people I can tow more with my F-250 then my buddies F-450 because of the numbers. I was hauling corn with it at 39,000 lbs. That is the only time it has hauled a trailer because for biz I'm not allowed. Good luck it's a nice looking truck!* #WorldsOkayestFarmer
I look forward to seeing your new truck. Thanks!!
You have too much behind the axle . A pintle hitch would help by bringing the load closer to the truck . The problem is fuel tank and axle placement . The truck is setup for payload .
Can’t you get a farm rating to allow you more weight?
15000… I remember old guys saying that’s just what the engineers say.
You would have to tell them what you need the truck for specifically and they can order the truck with a different GVWR so you could pull more weight.
This line Chevrolet trucks were not made as towing vehicles; They are way better for capacity loads for a flatbed, dump bed, Or a cargo box that is were they are truly designed for. For towing you need to stick with the 3500 series dually P/U which has a higher towing capacity rating.
My Son ordered a 2024 Ford F350 Window sticker said for 99,980 Dolars.... It Can BE YOURS.... It has made a Tow for The SunBelt Ag Exo to pick up a krone Baler a n 8 basket KRONE Tedder, and Louiville to bring back another Krone Baler......
Get a GM crate 572 or 632 cid, sell the 6.6.
Our ford f550 2024 has a 34,500 lbs trailer tow capacity ! the truck gvw is 19,500 .
if i was not clear the f550 gvw is 19,500 gvw the trailer weight raiting is 34,500
Now that is a respectable tow rating!!
@@dehavenfamilyfarm Thats with a gooseneck.
I believe these trucks are more for payload not towing
Try adding air bags. Maybe that will smooth it out some
sure is a nice truck and wow, the price of vehicles anymore..
The prices are ridiculous!!
Good News! Prices will be coming down! And selection will be better! Dealers are getting stocked up again! A buyers market!
Equipment trailer with torsion axles will definitely help with the ride .
was your truck de-rated to 26,000 to avoid needing a CDL? Some companies prefer this. My 3/4 ton gasser has a GCWR of 26,000lbs
No he didn't young man , this truck is under 26k gvw . That's max loaded weight. Truck weight is only 11000
@@rontopping2048 I understand that. It looks like the GCWR is purposely kept at 26,000lbs. If it is greater than 26,001lbs the operator would have to have a CDL (assuming they are operating the vehicle commercially). It’s the same reason GM sells de-rated 3/4 ton pickups with 10,000lbs GVWR to avoid needing DOT registration numbers.
@@Stlchevy Chevy 6500 which I dont believe is made anymore was 26kgvw. This is a 5500. Most likely 19500 to 22,000 gvw. International mv would be 26k gvw. This Chevy is a joint venture with international trucks
@@Stlchevy in Massachusetts we can tow 10k and under trailer behind 26k gvw truck with no cdl. I usually tow with my f 350 pickup 12k gvw and my trailer is 12000 gvw . Its easy to overload our 10k gvw trailer, trailer weight is 2500 alone.
@@rontopping2048 very cool. His question is about max towing and the GCWR. I’m telling him manufacturers, no matter who, de-rate trucks so companies can avoid needing operators with CDLs. But this does bring up that his GVWR is >10,001lbs so he does need DOT numbers and company info on either side of the vehicle if he is operating commercially.
Personally I would never pay $71k for a truck under any circumstances.
I never dreamed I would either, but I would have lost a lot of money from excavating projects if I hadn't bought it. Our other truck, which is now sold, had been sitting waiting for backordered parts for 3 months and I just couldn't wait any longer...
@@dehavenfamilyfarm Yes, it make sense if your working it and it’s putting money in your pocket. I run a large gooseneck dump trailer. That’s a sweet skid steer you picked up. Another moneymaker. You can’t go wrong with Kubota.
Are you in Canada?
So you must have the smallest configuration of a 5500 huh. Looks like they go up to 37,000
I guess so. I didn't know there were so many options. My 05 4500 only offered one diesel option. Don't know why they need to overcomplicate things!
Wow.
1. No 4x4 is a non stater 4 me.
2. Gas engine these days is a must.
3. Obviously I would never own a modern diesel engine from any manufacturer because of the emissions factor you mentioned earlier.
4. I would gladly sacrifice some power/tourq & capability to have a gas engine. Especially if the work was local anyway.
5. I would order a smaller truck with a gas engine & 4x4 and trade up and just eat the cost, seriously!
Nice video and truck Chris but I can not help you with info, hope you get the answers
Thank you Jan- I hope I can get it figured out!!
If it's 19k, u can only tow a 7k trailer unless u have a cdl. Im buying a gmc 2500 so i can haul 14k trailers. I have a ram 5500 with a 19k gvw and got picked up by dot with a 10k trailer. i got some hefty tickets. Luckily, my trailer for landscaping is 7k. States do vary, but most of the time, with a f550 or 5500, you can t tow more than 7k or 6.5k trailers. Good luck. im in the same boat. Just stay local and prey every time you tow unless you have a cdl.
Na I’ll invest in a Kenworth T180 or T280 which is specifically designed to handle 19,000 GVW and 26,000 GVW respectively with the PACCAR or Cummings engine and Eaton Fuller transmission and suspension system to handle the weight with a comfortable ride ontop of receiving my ROI. Including better dealer service and parts availability.
Yep! Dot is making a killing off these landscaping companies who are not compliant. & most cdl licence holders don't want the cheap pay or the other work the company might want them to do for working for a landscaping company.
the limiting factor is the government
You do know that you could have ordered the truck from the factory with what you want I’m surprised that you didn’t know that except for the gas engine that you wanted but if you haul any heavy equipment with that truck you would want a diesel engine and not a gas one
I wish I could have but I needed a truck right away (our other truck at the time had been sitting broken for 4 months waiting for backordered parts) and it would have taken a year to get one if I ordered one. Waiting that long was unfortunately not an option and due to covid it was hard to even find one on a dealers lot that was ready to go.
Delete the emissions 😅
Drive 64 ford and all your gripes will disappear
Delete the epa