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#Overwatch - Ігри
“Damn anti nade feels terrible to play as, as tank”
devs: we gave dps a mini antinade passive.
“Damn shooting Orisa really feels like shit ngl”
Devs: were giving every other tank mini orisa fortify
“Damn, the supports are just too good with their role passive and denying abilities”
Devs:” we gave every hero self heal”
The heal passive is nice as fuck. Best thing added to ow2. But all the other ones are so shit.
Self healing isn't an issue people just seen "self heal" and went ballistic it really doesn't effect matches to much for people to bicker over it.@@MasterZon
I feel like passive healing is a nasty addition that reduces the amount of thought put into gameplay in general, like you don’t have to think as much about basic stuff like being with your team or taking packs if you want to get healed, you can also just wait. It waters down the game and the only people who are satisfied with it are the ones who don’t know what it’s like to play with that dynamic.
@@gen2mediainc.577 the only thing I've seen the healing passive do is keeping the match tempo up. In all reality its definitely not as bad as you make it seem
"Tanks suffer from being unkillable or dying too quickly, so our solution is to make them universally unkillable"
It always be the random ass ngas with pfps of themselves that have the BEST takes
And giving some of them more damage, cause that was clearly the problem, right Blizzard?
He needs to pin this is explains ow2 in in one sentence
You know what im good with this tanks deserve a season to feast they have had absolute dog seasons since season 2 so I kind of support it
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738I’m starting to notice this too 😭😭😭 they be the best comments
Vaas: "Have I ever told you the definition of insanity? Its doing the same shit over and over, and expecting shit to change."
Blizzard: "blah, blah, blah, don't care 🙄 just buy the mercy skin"
@@BTRshow "And the million Kiriko skins cuz she's our poster child since day 1"
And dey say far cry 3 is an overrated game
They desperately need to rewrite the AI that makes patches. There's no way actual humans have this kind of a track record
been saying this for a while. no way humans are making these patches. at this point i'd believe they just prompt chatgpt for the patch numbers and port them in with no oversight.
@@eagerinspirit right. I'd also assume a company like Microsoft would be at the forefront of implementing this approach. I think the devs may have some input via hotfix tweaks but otherwise it's all AI.
I mean, it's Gold and Silver players who make these patches. So yeah.
Almost every single change since OW II released has been trying to figure out how to work with 1 tank and they still don't know.
They never understood how to make 2 tanks work and making 1 tank work is way harder. 5v5 is harder to balance for than 6v6. 6v6 is easier to maintain and is just more fun
@@BTRshow The thing is, they actually DID understand how to make 2 tanks work. October 2020 is proof. Then they just went and fucked some other shit up and left the game for dead for 2 whole years...
This has been the only really good point I’ve seen so far about how they’ve mishandled 6v6 to 5v5
@@Real_MisterSir This was more luck or listening to the community for once in years, not them understanding 2 tanks
@@j4nN04 At least they listened to the community who understood 2 tanks
Zarya overwatch 1
400 health. 1 bubble.
Zarya over watch 2
500 health. 25% head shot damage reduction. 2 bubbles. 50% knock back reduction. Passive healing after not tanking damage. Grantes less ult charge to attackers. Supports that can cleanse all debuffs and make them immortal/ bail them out of fights with immunity graps. Completely unkillable in a 1v1 and is always fully charged.
This is actually insane. 5v5 is was so badly implmented they had to make tank play an mmo rpg where they get 50 passives just to make them fun to play.
Yup and that's always going to be the solution. It's not that players are wrong for wanting tank to be stronger, it's that it's the only option we have, and players are going to realize how pointless these changes are. We're just going to go around in circles until the devs finally wake up to realize that 5v5 was a downgrade.
Yet still her gameplay is trash because she was a perfectly designed tank in 6v6, her design was based on supporting an aggressive main tank or doomfist. Mained her all of OW1 but barely play her in "2"
Patch notes: Made tanks harder to kill so the player has time for a bathroom break while being stun locked.
The best way to nerf orisa is to make every other tank orisa 💀
You know what im good with this tanks deserve a season to feast they have had absolute dog seasons since season 2 so I kind of support it
@@awesomecowsgaming3391 yes BUT you’ll always lose to Orisa, or Zarya… the CounterWatch meta is still there
Careful while taking a bathroom break on OW. Youll either get mass reported and banned or leaver penalty banned lol
@@awesomecowsgaming3391yeah tanks will feel better about playing for a couple weeks but the core issue isn’t solved this is obviously just another bandaid fix so people don’t just stop playing the game
Reaper was already struggling. this is like thowing someone who can't walk out of their wheelchair and asking them to run a 5k
Well they are reworking him a bit so not for too long hopefully
Yea but to be fair, Tracer is way too strong now too. Good way to indirectly nerf her and buff reaper somehow later down the line.
That’s a good point but maybe it’s part of the plan, you see then they can give Reaper some ridiculous buff for the next patch and create an entirely new issue and so forth…
@@quiteslayer4067 Yeah, but that doesn't mean a hero should be literally dead in the water gambling on a rework
@@virtue9846 well I’m sorry for being optimistic. I’m just saying the rework could help us all.
Overwatch 2 is the definition of ADDITIONS BY SUBTRACTION.
So much adding just because they took away 1 tank
Good one
so
It's almost like 5v5 causes more issues than it solves huhh🤔
Almost as if they created the problem and keep themselves hired by trying to provide solutions.
Blizzard moment. Does this with all their games.
"Omg, this car is completely broken, it only has 3 wheels"
"What if we made the car fly? That way, it won't matter"
"...Just add another wheel? Besides. Ever since you made the car fly it's been running into all kinds of problems, it even hit an airplane once"
"Hmmm. What if we nerf airplanes? That way, it will fly unopposed. That should fix the car"
Repeat until game dies
@@julicomo9815 wouldn't be surprised with these doodoo devs
Blizzard: 5 passives 13 passive tweaks 4 reworks 37 balance update later, we hope 5v5 is not a dog water experience, thank you for all the mtx money btw.
they made it 5v5 because of queue times, they said it in an interview, stop crying
Bro they’re gonna give Samito an aneurysm😭
His own fault. He does not need to engage so aggressively 😂
@@tombra3059But as someone like he is that actually has some sort of say in the community he has to say something like this to actually get people to think in this type of way. The game needs to change and for that to happen the community needs to voice their concerns consistently to actually try to get the devs to change the game. These types of videos need to be done more by other content creators because everyone wants this game to succeed but for that to happen it has to change back to 6v6 because the devs have tried everything in 5v5 to make it playable and fun and it just has not happened. I believe that what the devs need to do is have something like operation health from rainbow six siege so make a whole season of not adding any new content but change the game back to 6v6 and role out many patches not just two to make changes to the gameplay and buff and nerf heroes as needed. They need to listen to the community during this time and everything that is said to be wrong after making the change back needs to be tweaked to make that game better then they can run with it after this time.
@bkrsinfested257 to be honest with you, l ain't reading all of that BUT you're cooking
CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE AN UNKILLABLE DVA ON ME 24/7 WHILE PLAYING DPS!
bEtTeR tHaN dOuBlE sHiElD
D.VA? Nah, it's the master/GM doomfist players that are about to be a true living nightmare
@@BTRshow you guys realize you can still counterswap pretty much every tank out of the game right? theres gonna be one op raid boss tank like every other patch and all other tanks are gonna be playing the same brain dead counter swap rock paper scissors they always have.
@@ironman1458I was just thinking this lol, if anything the buffs are just gonna make counterswapping stronger
@@ironman1458 still gonna be miserable to fight against even on their counters, are we seriously gonna pretend that making headshots do less damage is not dogshit to the game? I already have a hard time hitting headshots as a new player, but knowing hitting the tanks head is at least worth trying makes me improve, now why the fuck even bother? It doesn't feel good to hit every single shot and not see someone's health go.down
This is the most insane devlog I've ever seen
Genuinely trying to understand their train of thought here and I just can’t. It’s like they’re just arbitrarily changing things for the hell of it.
and the fact content creators think this is a good change to tanks... its not dying thats the issue, its actually being able to BE a tank and have different identities between them.
Until now! (Cit.homer Simpson)
So the solution to tank being shit is to homogenize all the tanks into having bootleg orisa fortify....
Quitting this game was the best decision I’ve ever made in my life
I quit like 2 weeks ago and bro, it's so relieving to step out the hellfire and not be stressed 24/7 over a game that is more rigged than casino slot machines lmaoo
What do you play? I have a lot of fun each time i play daily. Everyone says they’re quitting but i can’t think what I’d have more fun with. That being said i didn’t play OW1 so maybe i just don’t know but still 🤷🏿♂️
i quit ow after they nerfed lucio primary fire and i only played the game for one season lol
i quit 3 weeks ago and ive been sleeping better and in a better mental state.
I quit playing(regularly) and giving the money to ow2 when they announce that the PVE was doomed ,Me and my friends move to FFXIV and having a blast ,I bought the complete edition on discount it’s even cost cheaper than the ultimate battle pass bundle 😂
They refuse to even try 6v6 in Arcade simply because they're unwilling to give up this last thread of the OW2 branding. If they go back to 6v6, it admits they gave up on OW1 for literally no reason except monetization.
Which is why 6v6 will never happen.
I never seen a Dev team not understand their own damn game
If they understand the game, they admit they were wrong and players were right. Their egos can't handle that.
I think they understand but they are way too arrogant to admit they flopped and change their gameplan. When samito said "they're willing to die on this 5v5 hill", he was accurate.
There’s money involved too, shareholders etc etc.. people get into real trouble for these mistakes
it's crazy that they proved everyone wrong by doing worse balance than riot games 😂😂😂
always thought league had it worse.
Apex devs are another good example
The only thing the tank/armor/headshot buffs did was create another braindead mauga meta, which in turn makes the tank experience even worse btw
But but but they nerfed them again with the dps passive!
But that doesn’t matter when they take LESS DAMAGE OVERALL AND STILL HEAL THROUGH DAMAGE
The armor change and the less headshot damage both hurt mauga’s damage and therefore healing. I honestly don’t think he’ll be that good
Wdym "did." It ain't even out yet
U r stupid, mauga entirely lives on doing damage, most of his damage is against the enemy tank.
Now they will take less damage due to the passive, hence massive Nerf to mauga.
This is nuts, THEY ARE NOT FIXING THE ISSUE, JUST BUFFING TANKS. WHY!!!
Case they have no clue what thare doing
Devs ego is the hurdle we can't get over
Flats described it well when he frames Blizzard's balancing solutions as a duel between a melee character with a knife fighting a sniper character with a gun. In practice, the character with the knife will always get shot to death before he ever gets close enough to the sniper to hurt them. Blizzard's solution to this gameplay design flaw is to make the Knife deal more damage. This doesn't make the melee character more viable against his counters. It only makes them more oppressive against characters that do NOT counter him.
@@rfrakcturedthis is so true
Because the community has amnesia like they didn't ask for tank to be buffed to feel better.
Instead of nerfing dps
The devs are trying to turn this game into Paladins but even Paladins knows you have to have two tanks.
It's honestly funny how desperately OW trying to copying Paladins formula for 5v5. First copying Cauterize (for DPS), then out-of-combat healing, and now Haven and Resilience( for tank).
@@inevitableanarchy4203 Technically they are copying sentinal but without the shield on kill since that item gives only knockback resistance :nerd_emoji:
@@inevitableanarchy4203 sombras virus is literally a carbon copy of skye's ability in paladins lmao and the funny thing is skye doesn't have some bullshit hack ability.
Paladins gives team comp options and you customize loadouts at least
Overwatch now there's only one possible play style for tanks because there's only one of you so if you're not front lining vs their tank you're screwing your team over
@@inevitableanarchy4203 bro trying so hard rn
Ngl I think this just forces zen to be on the team even more now cuz his discord will always have a play on taking off that 25%
Then you'll always need a kiriko to negate Zen discord. 😞
Like clockwork guys… one day they surely have to wake up but this patch has me hopeful it will be sooner than I hoped
The buffed damage passive means sombra about to eat teams alive and dive will still be prominent. Play zen at your own risk lmao he is a harmonious sitting duck
@@BTRshow good argument, however discord+kick+orb
I actually don't get the Zen argument. Just drop behind cover for a few moments and shake the discord. If the Zen managed to keep me in his LOS and I got burst down then I got outplayed. That's fair and how the game actually should work.I do not mind an ability when there is a chance to outplay that ability. The Zen discord rework I think was one of the most thought out changes since they launched OW2. I say this as someone that plays a ton of tank but also plays a ton of Zen. You have to now prioritize discord placement and if you work with your team in comms you can work out bursting down targets. But God forbid if a tank has to play cover even for a moment. We can't have that 🙄
They should at least try 6v6 for push and hybrid maps. I think 6v6 makes the most sense for those modes. Overall overwatch 2 is a more frustrating game than the original. 6v6 argument starts making more sense the more I play tank tbh. Absolutely horrendous experience
at this point we need the following scenario to happen at the next blizzcon: The Overwatch Presentation starts and the Entire Audience chants "6v6! 6v6! 6v6! 6v6! 6v6! 6v6!" and just doesn't stop
The beauty of 6v6 is the quality of positioning mind games and proper ability usage. With this patch, all tanks have become maugafied/orisafied.
I don't know why the dev team thinks that we want a 5v5 mode with a super high kill time vs 6v6 with low kill time. They have constantly made the game less focused on skill expression, but simultaneously put us into 5v5 which is made for tac shooters. If they want to make the game super casual with a high time to kill wouldn't 6v6 be the solution anyways bc more characters more shenanigans more fun for casuals?
they made it 5v5 because of queue times, they said it in an interview, stop crying
@@mkhaneko So the solution to queue times is to make a shit game that nobody wants to play? In 99% of ranks queue times have always been fine; would it really make sense to change to 5v5 for 1% of players. They really are staying on 5v5 bc they hard committed to ow2 being different than 1 imo
@@mkhaneko true but killing the game is making q times worse than 6v6 would've been
@@geffern If queue times wasn't a problem they wouldn't have said it was. I agree the game is trash rn but people are always complaining, double shield, pirate ship and all that bullshit wasn't any better tbh
@@mkhanekoBut they were fixable. And que times is a dogshit argument considering the que times rn are dogshit
I've been saying this non-stop: Team 4 needs to be rotated to another game. They are simply not the right fit for Overwatch. Time and again, they have demonstrated a lack of understanding of what makes Overwatch enjoyable. How many more poorly-received patches or player losses need to occur before upper management realizes that this team is literally destroying the game?
After watching this I went from cautiously pessimistic to understanding how much of a nothing burger this patch is gonna be. You said it perfectly, this doesn't solve anything. All this does is make all tanks tankier, which feels bad for the enemies, but then the tank player also feels bad because they still can't do anything! All this is going to do is give the tank player more time to do nothing. Not to mention how the other person in the comment section is right, Zen is gonna become more prevalent with the Discord Orb.
Oh yeah same feels here, and counterpicking the tank is likely going to be even MORE important. Especially something like running beams into DVa since beams can't headshot anyway. I can't imagine this being a fun situation for anyone involved.
Flats is like okay we cooking and im like stop getting your hopes up every time you see a patch coming. Stop it. If this fails im done with ow until its back with 6v6.
flats says we are so back every time like a dumbass shill overwatch is fucking horrible
Flats is just trying to keep the dream alive to keep paying the bills. I love the guy to death and love his content but I personally think hes just trying to keep the hopium up to keep the bills paid and keep in the good graces of the dev team.
Its the same crap over and over. I left this game for paladins and honestly while that game aint big or polish, it defently is way way better balance wise. At least you can run a two tank comp lol.
@austinreid2555 pretty much I remember on the svb podcast when they were debating 5v5, 6v6. He couldn't decide which one was better when all he's talked about is the downfalls of 5v5. I like the guy but he needs to keep it real.
@@austinreid2555 its because every time he stops lying about the state of balance he loses viewers because his viewerbase isn't happy when he is't shilling.
Always remember OVERWATCH 1 is unplayable on Purpose because THEY KNEW 5 v 5 will suck in comparison!
Can you stop theory crafting? It's simply because they don't understand the game, they're not high level players in the balance team
Doubt it. Balance sucked back then too just not as noticeable at 2. If we were to go back to 2 tanks, we have to pray that the team now would understand how to stable it close to 1.
BRING BACK 6V6!
they made it 5v5 because of queue times, they said it in an interview, stop crying
@@mkhaneko yeah and very soon you’re not going to have many people to queue with 🤣 . We need 6v6 open your eyes.
@@Jigsaw090 the enemy team is playing as 5 aswell, its just skill issue at this point. Oh no I can't hide behind two shields
@@mkhaneko oh brother, you think the devs will be reworking the tanks so much if it was a skill issue ? You simply can’t balance it with 5.
@@Jigsaw090 Other changes would've been made to tanks even if it was still 6v6, crazy how double shield, pirate ship and all that bullshit was 6v6 and still not balanced.
Brotha was HEATED this blog 😂
If you watched stream he was HEATED all stream lmfao
This man’s more heated than tuna on a grill😂😂 man complained about the heal gen and then seen it was actually better.😂😂 it’s funny.
I'm sorry but even if we all do have rose tinted glasses, and 5v5 is somehow better, I'd rather sit there and shoot at shields than shoot at a tank that has 1100 effective HP. You CANNOT kill tanks alone anymore, with any hero. It was already really hard to before and this patch just made it officially impossible.
Everyone was complaining that tanks just explode. Now tanks won't explode and yall r reacting like this
Supports can't heal shields and get easy ult charge off of shields. There weren't 8 ults happening every 45 seconds in 6v6 and once you got pass those shields, people weren't hard to kill
@iamspid3717 this is because we are continuously going from one extreme to the other and back. Neither are healthy for this game.
@@iamspid3717”this bridge is too flexible, it’s basically rubber!”
*makes the entire bridge COMPLETELY inflexible causing it to break when more than one car is on it*
“WeLl you gUyS SaiD iT was Too FlExiBle!!!”
yeah at this point i think we just give everyone 125% dmg reduction, all stand in main and shoot at something with hitmarkers but even with discord nothing will die and the game ends when 5 people on one team get so bored that they just alt f4 and play another game
So this cycle will just keep repeating??? dps get their new passive and tanks are getting wrecked… which leads to tank buffs, and support will be the new target for team fights… then support will get buffed and then there’s no one for the dps to kill…so dps get buffed to be able to kill tanks again….. then tanks cry and they get buffed again… it feels like insanity… how can this be their strategy with the resources that they have
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boys lets give samitos content a big boost by liking the videos so that we can put as much pressure on the dev team as possible and go back to 6v6. i want to see aaron keller and jared neuss feel like their in a pressure cooker until they pop.
I agree, the community must speak up against this shit, this is TERRIBLE. Stop the copium, stop the hypocrisy, 5v5 or 6v6, these changes are NOT good and we should NOT let them cook this one, take it out of the stove NOW!
As a tank main I’m so TIRED of Counterwatch!
1 TANK HAS MORE COUNTERS THAN EVERYONE
because they are gigatanks that require the entire team to focus them. Nerf them to the ground and keep it 5v5 and it will be fun again
@@puck2694no it will be fun for everyone but the tank which is the problem we’ve had since overwatch season 2 was playable
@@puck2694make tanks hate there role even more. Make them weak. This will bring back the tank mains !!!! Jesus christ, your 5 v 5 brain is mush
@@DragneelXx incorrect. Tank has been so strong that they have to be hard focused to kill. You make them weak, it spreads prioritization around where tank is no longer the only focus of the enemy. They become more free to play the game.
Bad argument. Tanks actually survive hacks and anti better than any other role. The problem is the NEED to focus tank otherwise they dont die. Thats why tank is miserable because you are the main focus.
For example. I played a game today on weaver. I was spawn camped by two of their dps. We easily won the game because they couldn't kill our tank. We were down a huge healer and playing ball. I had zero fun because i was focused. Could do nothing. Hacked, ulted.. it was the tank experience. I was basically the tank. But our tank had fun because he was free to play the game cause the team was focusing me.
When you take the focus of the entire team off the tank, the tank has fun and can play the game. When you ARE the one being hard focused, even not on the tank role, its not fun.
As a flanker player, I feel like the gaming environment sucks right now. You just can't sway the game anymore. It's all about tanks, precise DPS shooters, and those unkillable supports.
??? Tracer literally best DPS character the last 3 seasons.
@@riptyurass302lmfao right? idk what's with the insane amount of people with their heart in the right place but their reasons are completely delusional
Play paladins, flank is fun in that
@@godlyvex5543 as a Genji player, Vatu and Maeve are a godsend, I genuinely don't like Maeve, but playing Genji made me want to play a character that actually rewards me for being a good flanker
?? Sombra is great right now. I feel like I sway the team fights like crazy.
5 is already an unbalanced number by DEFAULT!!!
they made it 5v5 because of queue times, they said it in an interview, stop crying
@@mkhanekoAnd yet tank queue times arent better. And even if they were better who cares when the game is in a bad state because of 5v5
paladins is 5v5 and it works well, wanna know why? cuz it was made with the intention of being 5v5. overwatch WAS NOT. They needed to literally remake every aspect of the game from the ground up
Having 1 tank because double shield/bunker comp was terrible then nerfing all shields to nearly extinction was just idiotic. Could have just kept 6v6, nerfed shield like they did (less shield, no more shield junky orisa), and been fine.
😂😂😂 actually big brained point dude
Hey, I'll be super happy if they actually kill the game, because then they'll be FORCED into 6v6. There's no other way. It was bound to happen.
Pretty sure they would rather shut the whole game down and call it a day before they go back to 6v6
@@BTRshow If that happens, fans would do with OW what they did with HotS: bring it back in a better state than it ever was under Blizzy.
I feel like people would just leave OW, like they have dug a hole so deep its hopeless
Well they have investors so unfortunately may actually just shut down rather than try 6v6. Once it costs money rather than make money they don't care there is no more passion. Face it the game we fell in love with just wants to use our money they don't care about us otherwise.
Already quit season 9 when they wanted to make bad players seem good with the bigger projectiles. Among all the other 5v5 issues being made worst. Heres even more of it. Its about time to move on. Blizzards ego prevents them from making the great game we all know and love.. until 6v6 is added back, and not just 6v6 it needs to be a GOOD balanced 6v6 i will never return to this game. They are going to have to earn it this time.
Isnt it amazing how the gameplay loop feels exactly like double shield but much worst with no counter play? Wasnt 5v5 suppose to fix this? Weird.
How you can ruin a game this many times, and STILL have a ego is amazing to me. Just disappointed now. The passion has left me long ago.
The projectile size buff was so braindead. Sad part is, bad damage players are still bad but good damage players feel unreal to go against. You can never change the game to where bad players can do well. They're bad no matter what but the devs refuse to accept that and accommodate trash bins
When I saw these patch notes, my first thought was, “this is the ‘Shut Up, Samito’ patch” 😂😂😂
The "we hate our player base, please buy our skins" patch
Then you don’t understand his argument
@@BTRshow that's every patch lol
Team 4 burnt the whole kitchen with this one.
The homogenization of the roles is now complete. Everyone does everything.
Tanks- are tanks ||| were given dps damage ||| can now self heal.
Support- all have an imo or cc that let's them tank ||| were given dps damage ||| can heal.
Dps- instead of tanking, are given an anti-tanking passive ||| do damage ||| and self heal.
I have to go with you now @Samito... bring back 6v6 testing. At least the game was fun for tanks in 6v6 even though I never got to pick dps. At least all roles felt like they did something and had a purpose. In 5v5 as tank I feel like a punching bag who achieves nothing :( skill issue? It can't be a skill issue when the highest skilled players in the game are saying the same thing... :(
It's funny how instead of trying to go back to 6v6, they keep introducing more and more complex solutions.
I stopped playing in season 4 because i foresaw this game going to crap and behold, it keeps getting worse. I suggest yall do the same thing
Lmao that was literally the last good season. Remember, halfway through that season the devs said "the meta is too fair and boring. So we are adding CC again"? 😂 added home seeking Cass grenade
Game is not getting worse lmao
So what was the point of the DPS role passive? I thought is was because tanks were too difficult to kill, so they get less healing after taking dps damage.
So now why make them take less damage overall?
Imo it's a buff dps to "nerf" support "without" the backlash
Send this comment to the devs right now
I’m amazed at his patience. I’ve seen so many of these rant videos and he keeps repeating himself to no avail. I’m patient myself. Even so, it’s crazy to see. He really cares.
Are we gonna continue blaming Kottick for their incompetence, or can we finally realize they are the problem?
thanks for making the 6v6 server, the devs are going insane
they made it 5v5 because of queue times, they said it in an interview, stop crying
There's a server?
@@mkhaneko i feel like at this point people would rather long queues if they got to have 6v6 back. so i mean as much i agree with the stop crying part of your statement i dont think its going to change what people want.
@@DarkKeybladeMaster23 True, I just feel like people complain because they like to complain and hate when things change. Double shield, pirate ship and all that bullshit wasn't any better tbh
@@mkhaneko i dunno ive said numerous times to my friends and teammates i would rather double shield back than play against the unkillable orisa or hog/mauga metas.
I played ow and ow2 and as a lower ranked player I had so much more fun back then than I do now… I used to love playing tank but now it’s just too much pressure for any casual to play😢
i like to imagine a world where instead of going 5v5 they went 7v7, 2/2/2 team comps with a dynamic third.
they made it 5v5 because of queue times, they said it in an interview, stop crying
@@mkhanekoNPC reply. stop spamming that shit
It seems you're the one crying cus u are answering a lot of comments. Queue issues were also a problem not BCS 6v6 but for low player base. Imagine 6v6 in freetoplay, there will not queue issues. 6v6 was a better experience in almost 99% games. The tank rol is extremely unfair and not fun, counterswaping and lack of combination and synergy with other tank is a downgrade. Imagine bubble as Zarya a doomfist diving the team, or plating some crazy doomfist ball comps. Just imagine the possibilities. It would be so much interesting than just literally playing one tank and one strategy.@@mkhaneko
My problem with Tanks like Orisa is not that they were unkillable, it;s that they were unkillable AND have cc + high damage. They should've slightly nerfed tanks' damage to compensate for the giga buffs. Now tanks will probably be very oppressive to play against.
I'm gonna say it, fuck it. OW2 dev/balance team is worse than the former OW1 team. At least with the OW1 team, when they DID work, they actually made meaningful changes and addressed problems. There was just too far in between cus they were shipped to work on OW2 since 2019 and the leadership decision of crawl-walk-run mindset didn't help that prospect either.
Fuck it, 2 years of proof shows they are either incapable, or they're being overruled by some secret Exec scheme that will never go back to OW1 roots until years from now where they can sell the idea of "OW Classic" and use 6v6 as ez bait to get everyone back in the game.
This dev/balance team literally killed OW for me. I haven't truly wanted to invest myself in the game since 2022, and all I can do now is play casual with friends. I used to grind comp for years because it was fun and because 6v6 was worth investing into. 5v5 is a dead horse that fucking comes back as a zombie or undead skeleton every time you think it was slain, a fucking worse edition spawns right back up.
I completely disagree and so does Samito. This new team is INFINITELY better than the old one. The issue is that they’re working with a format that does NOT work. And they want to keep it 5v5 because they want OW2 to be a new game (since PvE failed).
But this new team makes active changes and the game is live service/free. If they had 6v6 to work with, they’d do a way better job
6v6 making a comeback would be horrible PR and the IP would probably be laughed out of any serious gaming conversations. Im guessing this is the main reason they arent keen on bringing it back. 6v6 would most likely be the easiest solution ngl, but with the direction the games going 5v5 will probably be stuck for a while. That doesnt mean its impossible to make 5v5 work, the solution is to simply rework every tank to be a general all rounder making most counters impossible, thus killing counterwatch. Though this would be insanely hard and time consuming its pretty much the only option 5v5 has.
Ngl overwatchs only hope is to keep taking notes from paladins of all games. Crazy how that game is better in every way now lol
More than just 5v5, Overwatch 2 has ruined what made heroes feel unique to play. Doomfist, Mei, Mercy and more. They removed the fun part of all of their playstyles.
"You cannot kill what is already dead" - Somebody important, probably..
"You are already dead." -Hanzo
At this point just make vs 100 reinharts the main gamemode
Sams like the prophet in trojan war who warned against the trojan horse but was ridiculed at and once the consequences arrived was considered seriously
Now i'm reaaaaally gonna hear "tank dif"
Since season 9 the game is getting lower and lower, what else team 4 is gonna do to make our life miserable in that damn game?
Theyve always steered in the wrong direction. The game is in the worst balance its ever been with many characters just completely unplayable. And the patches are too small to even scrape it.
They constantly nerf projectile dps while keeping hitscan comfortably good.
Its not gonna get better, theyre ego wont allow it. They made overwatch 2 to mask their monetization problems imagine what theyll do to bring back 6v6.
Imagine if 6v6 was a thing, I'd actually be proud. This is the reason why I hate the game and why I quitted it in general because it's bad on my mental health and I'm tired of the same gameplay loops over and over, I'm done with the game and its constant bullshit. Anyone who defends 5v5 needs to watch back on Overwatch 1 gameplay to see why it was better, October 2020 to be exact.
6v6 was so much more fun and I had way more nostalgic moments having fun in Overwatch 1 since the gameplay was so smooth, now they just take the fun out of it.
Blizzard needs to apply their resources on balancing the game…
They need to stop worrying about who’s hurting who’s feelings in game.
That right there would be a fantastic start
They committed to 5v5 and harmed the Overwatch League in the process. Half of the tank players were let go from the league due to the format change. Imagine how much damage and loss could have been avoided by dropping 6v6. This is why they don’t want to go back to the format, because Team 4 can’t admit that they don’t know how to balance their game for 5v5. Role queue just does not ever balance for an odd number of players per team - and if a team loses, they can just put all of the shade on the Tank player and call “Tank diff” which sucks if you’re a tank player.
I never ever wanted 5v5. I still don’t want 5v5.
The only way I can see 5v5 working is if being unkillable becomes a skill and something players on both sides can affect. Like how Queen can keep herself alive by bleeding the enemy and that’s entirely dependent on both the player tank and the enemy team. The problem comes in when sustainability is just an ability you manage.
Samito is never going to be able to have an open mind about any patch when he continuously has the 6v6 bias going in to everything. This is the most doomer thing I've seen yet
You don’t even understand the discussion if you think that’s “bias”. The point is that NOTHING will change how the game actually plays and it will only make it feel worse for other roles in this format. And he’s being proven right over and over again
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 there absolutely is a bias towards 6v6 in this video, and most of Sam's videos that I've watched (admittedly only a handful). Believing that the game won't become better at all until we got back to 6v6 is absolutely an extremely biased opinion about the game, and it is also very closed minded.
The game has been lots of fun for me, 6v6 and 5v5. I'm not super high rank or anything but Ive been playing since OW1 s2. I would personally like to see 6v6 be tried out again but I am truly on the fence about whether or not it would feel better.
@@shoeshank112 I don’t think you understand what bias means. Stating the truth and objective fact is not a “bias”.
Bias applies to things like, your favorite music artists and the opinions you make about them. Talking about what is objectively better for the game to not be a constant taking away from other roles to make one role fun, is not bias
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 none of that is fact or objective truth. It's all opinion based and therefore biased. Claiming that 6v6 will solve all the issues is not fact, it's an opinion. It might fix some of the issues but the fact of the matter is, we have no idea what the devs would actually do balance/rework wise and therefore we cannot form any sort of conclusion from that. Going back to 6v6 as the best option for the future of this game is, at this point, pure theory. Theories need to be proven in order to be accepted as fact.
We can say "they should do x,y,z" all we want, but the devs would use their own interpretations and ideas and biases and create their vision of 6v6, if they went that route.
Also, constantly just trying to attack the other person has nothing to do with the actual conversation and is rather rude, especially since you have no real idea about me or who I am or what I know and dont know. I feel sorry for you.
Sam I’d love to see a pov from both sides of your tank game against Emongg
The reason the devs aren't listening to Samito is that the audio levelling on his videos is so bad they can't hear him properly. :(
Games been fried for so long now 😂 I started playing Elden Ring & Skyrim while I watch Overwatch just slowly devolve
Bring back October 2020 Overwatch lowkey
Overwatch2 made me so adventurous when it comes to games 😂 caught up on god of ward, ratchet and clank, played chivalry, apex legends, and fortnite for the first time. Went back to dead by daylight and tekken and got better than I ever have on those games. Why? Because I thought "ANYTHING MUST BE BETTER THAN THIS TRASH AHH GAME"
Also can we 5v5ers stop pretending que times are that much better.. we traded game depth for better dps ques… and no one wants to play tank again, so tank ques are instant again, and now I have 10 minute support ques in comp..
please, thats the most annoying argument people make in 5v5, its literally a f2p game that should have a large magnitude more players but the queue times are literally exactly the same as a 7 year old paid game that went years without updates. its just not adding up.
@@ironman1458finally posted same thing that ow1 we paid and 2 more players vs this one is free down 2 players and crossplay on non rank
Sooo how you gonna fix queue times in 6v6 though?
My jaw dropped when I saw this blog post. Idk what the hell they are thinking with these changes.
You guys cant make up your mind you complain about tanks being bad but when they get buffed you guys complain
@@gamerbeast3616Because this doesn’t CHANGE ANYTHING. Don’t be child with such an illogical thought process
@@gamerbeast3616 shut up silver trash
Hey Samito. I’ve come to agree with you about the role passives. Support would be so much less oppressive without the 2 second auto healing and rank would feel a lot better without the DPS passive.
Apex Devs: Went back on their word and added Solo's back to the game. Gives fans what they want, and even goes a step further with the announce trailer.
Overwatch Devs: That's something we aren't thinking about right now and don't want to answer any questions about it. 10+ seasons in, and we are about to start going in the wrong direction yet again!!
buhuu
I am a long time olayer and I quit the min they started punishing players for qp.
They seem to care about a groupnof players that literally don't exist.
Meanwhile it sounds like Flats loves it.
He does. He doesn't care about about the health of the game as long as he is having fun
I mean to be fair, A. Having fun is kinda the idea lol. And B. 6v6 isn’t a realistic solution, it’s not happening. No use complaining about it, best to accept it and look forward.
Plus, while we can make educated guesses and such on how the buffs will affect tank, we don’t know for sure that these changes won’t help at all until it comes out. Best to just wait, be optimistic about it, then tackle the problem once we have all the pieces.
@@quiteslayer4067 sure. But the game is going to be fun for 1 person on the team.
@@quiteslayer4067 then let the game die. 6v6 was better overall not perfect but is better than 5v5. These changes will make the game less fun for everyone
@@georgeapostolou4284 we don’t know that for sure. Let’s wait until they come out atleast to complain about them. Besides, there’s no way 6v6 is the ONLY solution, people are just to stick in there old ways to even consider it. Best to focus our energy to finding ways to actually fix the game rather then complaining about wishful thinking. I’m not sure what the solution is exactly, but if we all put our heads to it and work together rather then tearing eachother down with 5v5 vs 6v6 nonsense I’m sure we can find one.
I was so excited reading it cuz I knew you were gonna have a field day with this. Just the natural result of going to 5v5
Sam not be excessively hyperbolic
Literally impossible
make tank fun => more tank players => bring back 6v6 with new tank players to fix queue times
blizzards master plan
This is where the 5v5 delusion will take people LOL
I was a HARDCORE tank main for years until OW2. I haven't touched the role since. That's monumental.
I already don't understand why they've back to the 20% healing reduction for the DPS passive, it was already hard to heal with the 15%, now, as support main, i feel useless.
I love how on different videos on this dev update there are different comment reactions - only based on what the creator says
Lmao fr everyone just listens to their favorite creator and takes what they say as the only answer
Honestly I've never thought the tank or support roles are good for the game. Overwatch would have been a significantly better game if everybody were a DPS character and healing was extremely limited. The problem has just been exacerbated by 5v5 but it was still a bad system in 6v6.
Can I get 6v6 and we go back to the Devs ignoring us...cuz I was having more fun back then
Tank players want 6v6 not this crap
i want this
Long time Tank main here, since early OW1, I'd like more changes similar to this.
Tanks ought to have a base DR and CC Resistance. Fortify and similar abilities that grant DR & CC Immunity should be replaced with smaller addative Resistances to Damage & CC.
Have the resistance be half as as effective vs External Positive effects.
Remove the -30% Ult charge from taking damage and healing. We want to encourage Tanks to Tank after all.
Get rid of antinade, replace it with a stackable minus heal like the DPS passive but on Ana's Rifle. Remove healing from her rifle, her nade should be only heals, give it 2-3 charges with a slightly reduced cooldown. Burst heal with heal overbtime effect and improved healing &/or reduced Antiheal effect from DPS passive and her rifle (Same effect essentially).
She is a sniper that once rivaled Widow and the Biotic Rifle was a perversion of Mercy's Nanotech.
Give it minor impact damage, that can crit, but damage from damage over time is unaffected by crits.
Have the "Burn" effect (DSP passive) be an addative effect to the DPS Passive for the same duration of the Damage over time effect, no refresh on subsequent hits. The effect ramps up then down over the time, most potent during middle of the DoT timer but can be ramped up faster & maintained with additional hits. Higher potency (higher percentage effect) with Crits.
All invulnerabilities should be changed to a high percentile DR or grant an absobtion overshield similar to Zaryas bubbles (without the anti-cc effects and less Overshield health).
Absorbtion abilities (Damage matrix, Spear spin and Sigmas one) should have a damage/CC magnitude threshhold for absorbtion, regardless of the remaining duration available. If the threshold is reached, it reduces all incoming dammage and CC effects by 25-50% for the remaining duration its active. Once deactivated, for whatever reason, a 1-2 second lockout cool down is imposed to replenish absobtion capacity.
Discord Orb cause an initial 1-2 second slow effect (from disorientation) with a smaller flat debuff to both incoming and outgoing effects.
Essentially, making them overall less effective and more affected by all incoming negative effects, without making them take an excessive quantity of additional damage like they currently do.
Things like that, that fit the narrative of the things in the game while also making characters more unique without having a must-have abiliy.
Makes Tanks more incentivised to Tank hits for their team (as they are less affected by them) while allowing the rest of the teams resources to be used on the rest of the team rather than just trying to destroy or keep Tanks standing.
Tanks should be imposing, threatening and dangerous. But should probably do less total DPS than any other Hero in other Roles.
Tanks should be taking Hits and disrupting the enemy while either; Laying down low damage high RoF suppression/sustain damage or High damage with low RoF Burst (Big hit) damage to draw attention.
Damage Role Heroes should all the doing the highest total DPS of all other Heroes in other Roles.
Supports should be able to defend themselves while assisting their whole team, not be forced to heal bot the Tank just to keep them standing.
Picking off Support and Damage Heroes should give your team as much or more value in a team fight than just burning down the Enemy Tank. Making the Tank have to be more mindful of protecting their allies while also looking to disrupt the enemy's attempts to use their resources against them.
Counter swapping should be a part of the game like it always has been, but it shouldn't be too effective. Swapping should also have a lockout timer after swapping and leaving spawn.
I don't understand why people like 5v5>6v6
5v5 might have better queue times, and jake says 5v5 is better becuase more player impact
But the devs says the game is special because of the team coordination which is better with 6v6.
6v6 queue times wouldn't be that long as tank now as 2 new fun tanks (jq and doom), less pressure on the tanks, lots of the tanks were designed for 6v6,.
I feel like if they remove role queue and just make it so you can only have 2 players per role so you can have 2 tanks or you can swap over to a 2nd tank if your first tank is struggling.
This will just prolong the suffering for tanks now. At least at the moment, you die quickly so you spend less time playing the game
game's cooked lmao i give up
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Samito looks at the past with such rose colored glasses its unreal. I have played this game since day 1 and this is the best it's ever been. Tanks will not be invincible its such a silly take
As a lucio main and moira secondary, i stopped playing this season because i felt like the devs purposely didnt want me to have fun. Little did i know the devs didnt want ANYONE to have fun 😂😂😂 but hey, the mercy mythic skin is cool, right?
It's bad too because I'm not hard stuck. Comp games for me weren't that bad tbh but the constant "we are gonna shake up the meta with buffs/nerfs because we are bored" game is too exhausting. The devs spend so much time hyper buffing/nerfing characters/roles that they gave up on doing anything good for the game. Like, instead of just ruining the game because you have nothing better to do 🗣 make 🗣 the 🗣 PvE
I think Samito has lost his mind, he sounds like a delusional madman.
I love the overreaction at the tank passive that has been completly useless while the dps and support passive is very strong.
Overreaction? REMOVE ALL THE PASSIVES
@@SamitoFPS yeah thatd be better but some characters would struggle without a role passive.
@@The_Gull1Wanna know why? Cause it wasn’t an issue before OW2
The only good thing about these changes is we can test the theory of queue times. If they will become longer than other roles, then queue times are fixable in any format. If not, then no matter how op tank is, people dont play it.
Did he for real think echo should get buffs? ”Echo gets buffs atleast”
Flats is just losing brian cells from the drain bramage he got from playing OW2... 😂
Going back to 6v6 would mean they have no defense for the fact that ow2 was nothing more than a scam to aggressively monetize the game. They'll never admit that
And yeet a game I paid for and still want to play into the void for eternity
Rebrand the game. That’s the best thing business wise but no one in their business department knows what the game even is so they wouldn’t know to suggest
I just love how Flats is Over here posting like OW2 is Saved and then I just see Samito's Post Saying They are Killing OW... xD
Well, at least people will que tank now :D
Bruh the fact that they are punishing the ability to head shot a tank is ridiculous, why are we reducing the value a player gets for knowing how to aim.
4:09 That ladies and gentlemen is the expression of a man who realizes they don't care at all.
Him saying this can't get worse and it got worse 1 minute later was golden ngl
No views? This guy fell off
Fr
Lol 5min into being uploaded, yall too much 🤣
^Who’s gonna tell him