These Overwatch Takes Make me LOSE BRAINCELLS
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I love when the dude legitimately said Rein got a brand new playstyle.
That right there is when you see the person doesn't really know what he's talking about.
wdym he did get a new playstyle, you used to do stuff on rein and now u stand their until ur shield breaks and u go back to spawn, completely different gameplay
the only new playstyle to rein is to go to spawn and press H to literally pick anyone else because you literally fucking explode when you drop your shield.
"Rein got a brand new playstyle" -meanwhile the number 1 Rein player who famously endured all of OW1 CC and sustain with his creative approach to Rein, has now stopped playing Rein because nothing's viable with him anymore. Rein didn't gain a playstyle. He got a mobility scooter because the game now treats him like a retired elderly person who needs assistance for something as simple as getting around.
He did get a new style
It's called death. Don't pick the hero. I beg of you.
Yea reins new playstyle is go back to spawn on cd.😂
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MY GOAT COACH MILLS HI
LMFAO
It's big brain really.
I'm gunna be honest with you mills I don't really watch much of your stuff I'm not really a fan of your takes but that being said your content is high quality and you do good work and help alot of players so keep up the good work man I hope you continue to see success
Thanks Sam for not giving up on 6v6.
He's a beast, we all need to back up Sam.
Sam is like Goku right now, and we need to give him the Spirit bomb energy to fight this Kotick Frieza saga
Sam's a beast, we all need to be backing him up right now.
Same is literally Goku holding off against this Kotick Frieza saga, he needs our energy for the Spirit Bomb
6x6 is so much worse... im glad samito isn't a game developer 😂
@mrkizu beat it blizzard troll.
@@mrkizu go on. Explain *how.*
Even Aaron Keller has admitted that 6v6 is a better gameplay experience than 5v5 (check Flat's interview if you havent). The only real reason we have 5v5 is queue times. People are coping when they try to argue otherwise. Removing a tank doesn't add to the game, it LITERALLY removes depth from the game.
Fuck 6v6, even more teamplay or LACK of from randos. This game needs a clan or guild that would be the most impactful thing not this stupid 5v5 6v6 when it's still a team game with randos playing individually
@@OO-il6slthe first had 6v6 AND an lfg but playing solo is always gonna be a skill diff with 6 new players every game but the matchmaking was way closer in ow1 anyway
@@OO-il6sl That take just ignores all of the intricate ways that having +1 tank improves freedom and playstyle expression, and balances a lot of the game's problems
@@OO-il6sl How about 6v6 AND guilds. I've advocated for exactly that on the OW forums on bnet for literal years. It's what the game needs, and what the players deserve.
Idk what you guys loved about OW1, it wasn't loved in my eyes it was just as addicting as it is now, and as a DPS player now it's even more rewarding. The real issue it's a game that requires teamplay when there is none function to help with that, they even took away LFG. It's a joke you all seem to follow streamers ideas and not think critically for yourselves, compare this guild idea to simply adding or subtracting a Tank, and if you're honest it's a much more impactful and rewarding thing, especially in a game that requires teamplay
The video is basically: "Oh you have a problem with this hero in 5v5? Ok well then just rework their entire kit and it will be fine. If we change their entire identity they will fit prefectly."
As a top500 tank player I’d take longer queues any day over 5v5 counter swapping
It's not your queues that are longer! It's the other roles' queues that double!
@@ReedoTV dps queues are always fast and support is fast depending on how strong they are
@@TooEasy1515 🚬🍀
@@TooEasy1515Also, I play on Switch. Support is almost always the fastest que to get into, even when they were incredibly powerful pre-Season 9. I've seen in real time the Tank role que get lower and lower overall with 5v5's playstyle. Nowadays, Tank and Support ques are in virtual lockstep; 1-3 min que times are the norm. I really wouldn't take the argument too seriously with that in mind.
nah this is proof that even some top500 players dont know what they are talking about. Dps que was 20-30 mins for top 500 in ow1 tank que times have never suffered in 6v6 or 5v5 because there is still a fraction of the tank players that there is for other roles. Even in 5v5 there isnt enough tank players going back to 6v6 now would literally kill the game. dps and support que times above diamond would be 30 mins to an hour. The game would die
"Give Zarya a movement speed ability"
Lucio exists bud.
People against 6v6 often say how it was necessary because "not enough tank players". Then what's the logic behind 5v5 then, because literally everything that makes 5v5 work is inherently designed to make tanking MORE miserable than it already was pre 5v5.
*In actuality the only thing that made tank players leave, were 3 fold:*
1. No real dev/balance team for 3 whole years, coupled with a "crawl-walk-run" mentality that meant we'd often go 2-4 months with no proper balance patches
2. The primary tool that the late OW1 skeleton dev/balance crew used, was power creep through CC, and then sustain to combat CC, in an endless cycle. And who is hit the hardest by CC? The frontline, aka the tank role.
3. Bloated heroes were put into the game and left unchecked for months (see point 1), which after players learned to min/max their kits, developed unhealthy comp styles like GOATS and Double Shield. This was never a 6v6 issue, it was a hero design bloat issue. Brig took +20 nerfs just to bring her in line with other viable supports. Sigma is still better on a tank-v-tank basis than pretty much all other tanks. Orisa got a full hero rework (originally intended for 6v6, but was kept for OW2 among other hero changes, to add on as another upsell to make the sequel title seem worthy)
People who argue Q times and numbers also ignore how we have more players than ever, plenty of which would probably play Tank if it wasn’t miserable and with every content creator rightfully saying so.
@@malicious8767 Yep and they also ignore how shoddy the matchmaker is now that the range of matchmaking has been loosened severely to ensure the semblance of low queue times. I mean, those same people keep asking "why is this high rank player in my lobby???" yet they can't add 2+2 together and see queue times would be in the gutter if the game actually matchmade fairly like it did in OW1.
@@Real_MisterSir and they also conveniently forget that they are playing against Overwatch 1 players that vastly outrank them in gamesense across ALL SKILL LEVELS and wonder why the DPS passive needed bigger bullets, or why entire teams still get spawn camped by a lone Genji in Platinum, or why Rein supposedly can't be reworked depite him being dogshit?
If someone thinks Rein was "redesigned" because of an extra fire strike and can charge cancel......nah, you just don't understand the game.
18:50 literal truth spoken from Sam here, ive been saying since the start of the whole 5v5 vs 6v6 debate that to balance these hero's that were created in 6v6 is like going around you elbow to get to your thumb. its just an ego issue from Blizzard where they cant and wont say that they were wrong with this format and fix it. Blizzard needs to be held accountable and take responsibility. Quit lying to your consumers and give us a WORTH product.
Either way, thank you for the video Sam and Coach Mills.
It's literally free lmao
@@Primal_Echohe's talking about an actual sequel.
@@vopcracker3193 "blizzard needs to be held accountable and take responsibility. Quit lying to your consumers and give us a WORTH product."
It's literally free.
@@Primal_Echo a free product doesn’t make it a great product, and 5 v 5 is NOT better than 6 v 6 both things can be true at the same time 🙄
@@christianh7981 I agree. My point is that you can't really say "make it a WORTH product" as if it wasnt true that the only thing you spent on it was the time it took to download... Kinda screams entitled. But yeah, 6v6 was better. 5v5 has its merits, but meh.
Sometimes, I want to play a certain hero and launch the game.
In 6v6, most of the time that was fine, and when I found a loosing matchup, I still had a decent chance to win.
In 5v5, I'll be lucky if I can play a single game without being told "swap or face almost certain defeat and get flamed by your whole team."
I want to have fun playing this game, it's fine if I have to swap once every 10 games, but when it's almost every game I can no longer have fun playing what I want without spending a whole evening hoping to have a single game where I don't get counter swapped.
And then people are surprised the tank player base is dwindling.
LOL expecting 4 randoms in ranked to swap to help the tank being hard countered by the enemy team is a hilarious point. Kajar has not been in low ranks before where they won't swap then quickly go tank difff.
Bro obv only plays in a stack, no way he’s arguing this having ever solo queued lool
@@malicious8767 Bro is a Brig player, he gets to sit back with passive inspire and just hold M1 in the general direction of his intended target.. Difference between him and Sam is, Sam had to learn Brig and become good with her, but still manages to point out how ridiculous she is as a character. Kajar in comparison, is a 5v5 gaslighter.
@@Real_MisterSir 💀💀💀
Another day of 5v5 defenders absolutely getting shit on by sam.
My favorite part about 5v5 is how the roles can never be equal . Two roles always have to be inferior for the third to be fun.
38:24 yep its why me and my friends started playing open q it has more variety and a higher skill expression then role lock, you get to play a variety of comps like 4 tanks 1 lucio or all dps or 4 supports enabling 1 tank or dps and my friends who dont play much tank can play it because they dont have to worry about making all the space they would have to do as a solo tank which give them time to learn the character
How is it possible to that limiting hero design is the solution before 6v6
this is just an argument about how overwatch 5v5 should be if the world was a perfect place and everyone played the game like they used to. they don’t. everyone wants to win no matter and the tiktokers will pick the tank that owdaddy445 said counters the other and ends up making more people switch to feel like they have a better chance to win. also im a master tank who doesn’t even play tank that much compared to the other roles and it sucks cause i loved off tanking until all the main tank players suddenly disappeared and i had to fill the role. i dont even know how to tank in this game anymore besides playing a wall and watching my dps kill or die off cooldown
Yeah counterswapping happens even as low as silver. They all auto swap to mauga if they don’t win the first fight 😂
To see an IP suffer an identity crisis really goes to show how Art, can imitate the world…
5v5 defenders are to the point they are calling for REINHARDT AND ZARYA reworks... nobody for 6 years had a problem with them until now... i wonder why
Why don’t the devs hire you? Everything you say is spot on
Blizzard adding 6v6 to arcade is like Biden agreeing to debate Trump. The level of failure would be instantly exposed.
Bro just keep throwing “dynamism” in there thinking we would bite
10000% true that the snowball games i had in overwatch 1 i can tell are WAY WAY WAY less in the 7 years of gameplay, that, i had in OW2 in 2, like everytime i play i have one or more games that are a snowball to my team or we do to the enemy team, in just two years of game is insane the sheer quantity of games like this.
Yo shoutout to both of you for keeping your thumbnail guy well-paid and fed
"It's not too late yet"
My dear Sam, it's late af. Like 4 years late.
I never thought I’d see the day when samito feels like my mouthpiece on any issue
Tank = Sustain, Dmg mitigation
DPS = Burst, high mobility, consistent dmg
Support = high healing, get out of jail card, an immo, pseudo-duelist dmg output.
That is the hero design philosophy in OW2.
Counter swapping is literally the best thing. Dva>Winston. Zarya>Dva. Winston>Zarya. Orisa>Rein. Zarya>Orisa. Rein>Zarya. The game is literally rock paper scissors.
like...open queue's hp pool drop in season 8 made 2 tanks feel good. They'd just revert tanks to s8 stats and leave everything else the same. and add an additional tank. gg easy.
The reason 5v5 is the issue is not because balance, it’s because mentality. For low rank players: They can only spend so much time missing shots that they will shoot the biggest target rather than the right one. and for all ranks- No one wants a 600 HP Demi God close to them, and the only way to keep them away is to CC them into oblivion, put them to critical every time they peak, or just kill them. I don’t want queue times to be high but the way you fix someone not playing a role…is by…making it fun to play/rewarding.
This is like the infinite react content, you react to a video of someone reacting to you reacting to someone reacting to you reacting to someone reacting to you
Honestly, whenever i play tank nowadays - being an off tank main playing Dva mostly in OW1, i literally save what i want to play for the last parts of the match where i can feel like i make the final difference. the tank exchanges were so interesting and now its just suffer til i know i can win on what i want to play.
19:24 giving a speed boost after bubble pops would not be a rework
7:18 So the answer to tank counterswapping is for EVERYONE to counterswap? Yeah, sure, I'm sure that will go over REALLY well with your team.
Suggesting a rework for Zarya that boosts her speed is wild.
31:30 ive litterally had multiple games where we just swap every fight or every other fight down in diamond also a literal 2 hour orisa would whip my ass on my main rein and its like nearly impossible to ignore her if she just chases you everywhere (which they typically do)
31:37 it also effects lower rank. probably even more, because when you roll first fight and enemy team don’t know what to play against, they just all counterswap the tank, because it’s easier then countering 2 dps/supports who play diffrent playstyles and ranges. Therefore you had only need to adapt to one player of the role, who needs to mitigate the dmg and pressure all by himself. Going back to 6v6 would take a lot of pressure from the single tank and additionally make counter swapping less oppressive.
- also support abilities which provide immortality etc. would be less impactful, without lowering the cooldown. So you can you use it the same amount per game like in 5v5 but in 6v6 it would only save 1/6 of the team not 1/5. Abilities like Suzu would still provide a huge impact, but maybe wouldn’t be a deny-button for an entire ultimate because it would be more often in need of.
Edit: drunk as f, but people trigger me being so delusional, thinking 5v5 can be balanced and 6v6 was the issue the game died ….
Is it just me that thought it would be a TikTok reaction video?
I rarely, if ever, comment on videos but I need to agree that 6v6 will save OW for the long term. I would rather value hero integrity over a catch all tank design with a different skin.
Thank you Sam for continually making solid arguments for a better game and hopefully this gains some traction.
30:00 yeah it would suck to rely on your team to have to know how to play a wide range of heroes because they most likely don’t. Kind of like how tank pool/knowledge requirements become exacerbated by 5v5 where one person has to learn every tank when the name of the game is overswap.
Edit: 31:50 name another game where the top 0.01% of play at the skill ceiling is two people in spawn playing chicken swapping heroes
Thoughts on the newly announced marvel 6v6 hero shooter ?
I'm really glad you do long content form like this because I can't always catch the streams and i like to listen to your talking points as i do other stuff, like an ow version of asmongold its pretty interesting to hear
I get burnt out playing tank faster than any other role. Getting hit with every fucking cool down every team fight is so aggravating. I resent my teammates even more when they get diffed.
Half of kajor video Is him saying that the answer is to get good but if you get better you face the same problem against better players
Weather anyone wants to belive it or not. I'm a plat doom otp and have been since ow1. Recently got heavy into ranked play for the last 2 or 3 seasons now and I can firmly say counter swapping in metal ranks is HIGHLY HIGHLY relevant and not a marginal problem. The moment I go off on doom once or if I'm not changing because I'm an otp. The enemy tank swaps to my counter in almost every game. It never fails at all. And if that tank matchup to counter me doesn't work than they ensure it will with every freaking hero pick on their team to shut me down and now I'm forced to play a tank I have no clue or any experience playing because I can't play around 3 counters on doom because let's face it I'm plat. But please don't assume counter swapping isn't an issue in metal ranks because it is very much a problem and has been for as long as I can remember in ow2.
24:19 I can’t stop laughing 😂
It's not even worth having these discussions before the devs even TRY letting hog wall climb
The devs were never focused on solving the tanking issue, they were focused primarily on the long queue times. This is the main reason why overwatch will never go back to 6v6. they could care less about how fun the game is or engaging. Enjoy your slop and CONSOOOOMM
24:22
Me too, man. Me too.
I would love to see a "Quickplay hacked" that is literally just normal gameplay but 6v6, and maybe just nerfing tank hp and dmg by a flat like 10% or something
The experience will always be a see-saw no matter whether the game is 6v6 or 5v5 - no matter what you do, there will always be a category of people that isn't happy. I prefer 5v5 for the shorter queues and the fact that characters aren't all on the same level in every situation. Yes, it isn't nice when your main sucks on a specific map or against a specific comp, but if you make unique characters with unique strengths and weaknesses... some are going to be weaker than others. It is what it is.
Basically he thinks its better for you to rely on 4 players to fix The tank being countered. INSTEAD of relying on 1 guy to fill your take like or you filling The tank line he santa.
Mobility Creep is real
With Rein being one of the oldest characters in the game, if we have to rework him to be "ok" in this format- then you know the format just doesn't work. I feel like this is a pretty simple concept, and it is really sad that we are still having these conversations in the community. Overall, just go back to a 6v6 format-that way all we have to do is just drop one patch that slightly changes some of the newer characters from Overwatch 2.
#OneFuckingPatch
So, while all this is good, it still doesn't address the biggest issue with 6v6 is that not enough people want to play tank. There was a time, late OW1, where it was balance, it felt great, everything was viable, perfectly balanced.... and still there was a huge queue time for DPS. If OW went back to a perfectly balanced 6v6 format, how would you, @Samito, double the tank player base?
The one thing that Sam says thats pretty silly is that 6v6 would be balanced in 1 patch.
IDK what Kajor is saying when he said tank swapping doesn't happen as much in lower ranks? It does, a lot. I would know.
Counter swapping is not an issue specific to 5v5 and no one says that. However, it is a WORSE issue for tanks in 5v5 when there is only one to a team.
So this guy thinks Hog and Zarya need mobility? More random duct tape changes like role passives or “Zarya getting a movement speed bonus when her last bubble breaks.” Just adding weird one-off stuff to the game to force this format to work. Blizzard will probably listen to this guy and give all tanks a jetpack passive next season. If it weren’t for Sam, and some others like Hawk, Iron, and Chipsa I’d have given up on this game improving a long time ago.
Edit: also I love how this dude chooses a pic of Sam raging to make him look bad, but to me it just makes him look like a hype beast 😂
I got no idea, how Sam is the only content creator actually understanding the main problem of the game. Can’t understand why so many try to defend 5v5, do they get paid by blizzard? I mean… just watch Flats chilling in spawn and swapping hero the entire game… I’ve never seen this in OW1 (6v6). You r delusional when you think that is fun or skill. It’s neither.
Sam the Goat.🐐
When I saw how unique and different wrecking ball's design was, I was hooked. The sky was the limit on hero design which was exciting to see, what will they come out with next?? Now they are all trapped in the same "do it all" box, sig/ram/mauga BORING. And guess who they are looking to re-work next... 🐹
I completely agree with this guy
Heard they plan to rework reinhardt, im excited for that
18:00 he literally says he is limiting his argument outide of the entirety of the system dynamics.
As a plat gold tank that just wants to bang on doomfist after work. Counter swapping/5v5 ruins the game
The old vets remember the old sym reworks, she used to have 2 ults to choose from, might have been onto something js
AYO THE PERSONA 4 MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING
He said hero design is easier than balance lol... So, how much dev time are we going to spend doing hero reworks rather than getting new content. I would say going to 5v5 caused so many issues and took up so much dev time that it ruined a full release of promised pve content.
That statement also doesn't solve anything. This seems like an "educated" take rather than one based in reality. The way you refuted his point is also on point. Sure you can get rid of counter swapping - but it will blend / diminish their differences/designs. Waters down the role immensely thus proving your point about tanking being less fun.
His arguments, again, remind me of someone "educated" - I mean who was taught to think by someone else, who is trying to make sense of problems by putting them into the box they were taught to put them into. This idealistic echo chamber method tends to make people think they are correct when they tend to not understand the problem well enough to begin with. And because they've found a way to fit a problem into a small box think that they are right while not seeing things from the big picture.
I’m a hog main and I just climbed to Diamond and I don’t have an issue playing into counters. The only one that’s impossible without help from my team is Ana which basically makes it so that I need a support to play kiri for Suzu or we just lose. That’s been the only scenario though that I feel is unwinnable.
To be honest some tanks playstyles already don't exist (DVa, Rein, ...). So tanks are either the same or some don't exist, because it is pointless to pick them
I think the reason counter swapping is so oppressive is because tanks often can only play one playstyle. Rein can pretty much only brawl, dooms just dives, sigma just pokes. When just doing one thing isn’t enough you have to switch.
I wish they would atleast give us 6v6 for an option in groupplay. Only like two tanks have shields
Some games just turn into 1 v 9s and it stinks. Tanking sucks, but somebody has to do it.
They have had to spend so much time and resources to try to balance 5v5, including continuous adjusting OW1 heroes to fit into 5v5.
I wonder how much more labor they would save, and what other content that freed labor could work on; if they stayed 6v6 and only reworked Orisa, Sombra, and Mei.
Headed to win the lottery, tell me how I knew Samito would be making this video, a week later from the "I was wrong Video".
Let’s make Zarya bubble do damage like dva bomb when it gets broken😂😂
lol please tell the sombra and hog players in the metal ranks that they don’t counterswap when I’m on Doom. Idk where the idea that low rank players don’t swap came from I want the people that say that to one trick Winton or doom in the metal ranks. Watch how little you get counterswapped lol.
Counterswapping is usually worse down there and especially in QP. You do anything on Tank, once they respawn you’ve got a horse, a Chinese lady, a Mexican hacker, AND anti-nade hard focusing for the rest of your “casual” match
What happened to that game company you bought? Thought you were gonna do that
The ad made me alt tab to skip it and then I see sam in the bottom right. Thank you.
Sam. You are right. People are trying to MAKE it work. Froms a systems perspective, it just doesnt. It worked before in 6v6. The issues were design faults. This is coming from someone who started playing in OW2. Its fundamentally a worse format.
I really want to see them make more responce videos to each other until the thumbnail is just incomprehensible
I JUST MISS THE OLD OVERWATCH CHAOS AND FUN BUT EVERYTHING 6V6 MORE FUN
They could go 2tanks 1dps 2healer so blizzard still gets a “win” by staying 5v5. Dps feels cosmetic anyway
yea but dps has the biggest playerbase, the queue times would be like 30 minutes lol
I want my 6v6 back
I just want to state that as someone who got into Overwatch 2 recently just to play casual, counterswapping is the least intutive, most disheartening, most annoying thing to deal with. I just want to play Ashe on DPS. That's all. Why should I have to switch to assist my tank or support in a CASUAL lobby? Why can't I play the character I want? If I only find ONE character fun, and all I want to do is play that character, why should I have to switch just to stand a fighting chance? And what do I switch to if I don't know the game well? Wth?
they will do anything besides address the problem
Dude thinks a philosophy degree means anything in pvp game design.
I don't think the Overwatch dev team understands Occam's razor.
People that say that tank counterswapping isn't a problem since your team comp and sawp to mitigate the counter is just dumb. Like have you ever solo queued on tank??? If I just mention the idea of someone on my team swapping they either get tilted or they swap and suck at the hero because they have never played them before. When I solo queue I have to make up for my teams lackings. Meaning I have to do so many jobs at the same time all while the enemy tank is constantly swapping to make my life harder. You can't rely on your team for shit and thats why it would be nice to atleast have some of that pressure taken off.
I honestly don't even blame them for not solo queueing on tank. It feels absolutely miserable to play right now. Even my "best" or "easiest" games feel very stressful and not fun.
I like the game overall but tanking is more miserable than ever.
Super weird that the whole argument they made was about how to fix 5v5 when both parties agree that 6v6 was better. Like why try to fix one thing when the other thing is better even when both are at their best lol
I ascend whenever I start a video and am greeted with Persona 4 music
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6v6 was good if it worked (rarely did, and max 2 weeks at a time), and only tanks had fun.
5v5 is consistently good with way faster patches, and only tanks are miserable.
If the devs could have balanced 6v6, they would have over the 6 year life span, but failed.
They can balance 5v5 better. While yes there's no MAJOR metas, because they team is actually fast on patches, so no goats for 2 years and no double shield, release brig and release sigma.
Peak 6v6 will always be better than peak 5v5, that's just a fact. However everyone talks about how the tank dynamic is so cool and good, when 95% of the entire playerbase are not good enough or smart enough to implement those advantages, aka only in master/gm+ will you actually see good tank synergy, in which case it was phenomenal (if you were playing tank).
I'd rather have a consistent game like ow2, than play a terrible and unfun game with the same meta for 4 years straight of nonsense.
(I'm saying this as a previous contenders player, top 500 support with peak being at top 1, top 500 tank, played since beta in 2015, going to the biggest national tournaments every year in my country and it being my main game ever since.)
Overwatch was designed for 6v6 this was also the guys who worked on wow in the past they designed things for years for a purpose to work and they designed ow1 with the ability to play any hero in the game to a high lvl bc the way it was designed 2v2v2 2 tanks for the reason we have right now in ow2 tank swap it makes so u can’t just swap to counter u need to put a comp together with ur team more synergy more teamwork more skill expression overall and it’s really the exact same way with others roles try it Sam it customs games try one supp or one dps and see how much easier it is to just swap vs u have to also take in what the other dps playing it was a beautiful gameplay loop
I say this with love for the game it can very well be the best fps game if done right
Also it feels like in ow1 ults was more of the game instead of cds like Suzu and all it was farm ults use ults better win game it’s seems there’s more power in cds rn but hey just me tho
When there’s one problem it’s easier to choose a solution for it but when there’s two of them u gotta start putting solutions together to fight those problems aka two tanks
The thing is we have 12 player customs so I don't see why someone can't test out 6v6 and different ways to balance it. Either way no matter which one is better there will still be people who would prefer 5v5. Some people think that if they implemented 6v6, but also kept 5v5 then it would split the player base up too much but I disagree. It's all about giving players a choice at the end of the day and when the devs pretty much just say "no we won't give you 6v6 you have to accept 5v5 then be ok with that being the only way to enjoy the game" we have to deal with 5v5 and hope they can "balance" it over and over. Theres no harm in adding 6v6 because all they would have to do is move open queue out of the quickplay and competive slots then make a new slot for open queue. The player base will pick what they enjoy playing more and the queue times won't matter because we don't know how players will react to the new 6v6. We might have better dps queue times in 6v6 because people enjoy playing tank more. We'll never know unless we try and find out but they just don't wanna add it for pretty much no reason. If people end up liking 6v6 more and go to 6v6 then the 5v5 queue times are worse that might mean theres something wrong with 5v5 and not 6v6.
The custom games matchmaking is dogwater. They're so little lobby going on and 80% of them are all the same mode. The search/ filters suck and no plays there. The offical 6v6 overwatch 1 work shop mod only has offical matches twice a week, only during a few hour period. The only way to get a consistent 6v6 lobby is if you're a content creator. If blizzard just made it an actual acarde mode it'd be much more populated then their 6 useless modes that clog the game
“Make every tank similar” 😀 what an AWFUL SOLUTION. To bring up an idea that removes the identity and remove everything that makes each character special it’s crazy.
Makes sense for the people obsessed with competitive play to want something like that.
Wouldn't making every tanks role/play style overlap just mean that you end up with one tank whos better at that role than everyone else? Truly a 🤓 solution of all time
@@logic1093 Nah,
“Make every tank similar” doesn’t mean not making them unique. Junker Queen and Ramattra are quite similar, however, they are still unique and play differently. Make every tank similar means that every tank would have some sort of sustain, mobility, and mitigation tool. That doesn’t necessarily mean that make every tank able to poke, brawl, and dive.
@@mrgoldenreset9590 Making Tanks more similar wouldn't be completely bad at all and I agree JQ and Ram are well designed Tanks.
However, if every Tank in Overwatch just revolves around those same three buttons (sustain, mitigation, mobility) you end up making the Tanks already designed for it obscenely powerful with no real option other than counterpicking. I would argue the very concept of mitigation and sustain for Tanks as it stands *is* the problem, at least if it's condensed to one player.
Orisa, Sigma, D:VA, Zarya, and Mauga all have this issue in their respective kits becuase they're simply overkitted for what they're able to do. The others constantly rotate in and out of meta mainly off the viability of other roles + Tanks; Tanks like Ram (Sustain) , Rein(Mitigation) and Wrecking Ball (Mobility) tend to live and die off of only ONE of the attributes we'd given them here and I firmly believe giving every Tank all three would just make them oppressive raid bosses like Mauga was on launch. Neither 5v5 or 6v6 will have any longevity without a fundamental rework of Tanking away from what made Support healing so powerful in Season 8 and before.
Reinhardt rework: give him an AK-47 that shoots immortality fields
thats just mauga in low elo
@@emreotlu7031 I laughed, then realized holy shit you're right, then I cried
Every swing let's loose a firestrike as well
with a shock range of shatter horizontaly@@Karthig1987
And a black ops 1 grenade launcher
bro actively looks for 5v5 opinions and shits on them, and i respect it
@@ERK_hanna This ain't even a debate anymore at this point the 5v5ers are just embarrassing themselves 💀
True 😂@@JumpsOw
God's work
Hopefully the devs never listen to this samito guy... his arguments are completely out of touch 😂
@@mrkizuthey literally aren’t…. He’s actively playing the game how are they out of touch lmao