The man fights ghosts on the regular and will instantly invoke the N word at them at the drop of a hat. They can't do shit about it. Imagine if Woolie had played Winston in Ghostbusters.
What Woolie said reminded me of that Key & Peele sketch in the bar where everyone acts awkward about them being black and they really appreciate the waiter just going "I'm not comfortable around black people"
When i first moved to michigan i visited detroit and i eventually wandered into a bar and i found out real quick that i was the only white guy in there.
@@mikeyjnson Indeed, but in order for the joke to work Woolie would have to the child of a 1st Generation African. That's why Jamaicans only consider themselves Jamaican and not African. They're so far removed from the slavery shit by the time they were born that it doesn't make sense to refer to themselves as Africans.
Just a note: Juneteenth is not really a “new” holiday. It’s existed for a while but just wasn’t common tradition outside of a few states until fairly recently
It is newly federally recognized as of last year, which is probably why a lot of America is "learning" of it. Similar to what happened with the Tulsa Race Massacre when the Watchmen show came out the other year.
Woolie you're partially right. It celebrates the "day" that union soldiers marched to Texas to tell the slaves there, since geographically Texas had no idea how the civil war ended. The reason it's called Juneteenth is because they don't know the actual day.
@@BigSisterNeko Sort of. While it was indeed two years after the Emancipation Proclamation, that obviously didn't have any affect while Texas wasn't under Union control, and news reached Texas only a couple of months after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. And the slave states that didn't secede weren't affected by the Emancipation Proclamation and waited several more months for the 13th Amendment to be ratified for the slaves there to become free.
"Hey ugh...what's that particle effect called?" "Oh, those. Well, they appear in tree branches but only on the southern end of the map, so we've been calling them Southern_Windchimes" "Mmmhmm 😶"
@@demilung It's a racist euphemism for black people hanged from trees. Southern because the southern US kept slavery legal longer than the north and fought a whole civil war with the north to keep it legal.
For those that arent aware Bungie used to have (and might still have?) a mascot that was a gorilla in a top hat, gorillas and apes and stuff used to be weirdly prominent in their branding (i think it started to change when Superintendent started to become more of a mascot?), so the "bonobo is an old internal tool" is completely believable.
> Being ignorant rules. As someone who's an immigrant in the US I've dealt with a lot of shit, I felt like I had a grasp on how insane it got. Then I dated a Native woman in the while living in the northeast for several years and it really opened my mind to how awfully fucked the world and other people can be.
I'm glad I'm not the only one and that I'm in the same boat as pat when it comes to not knowing about these holidays. I still don't think that you need all these holidays tho. I mean...don't people know that corporations only push this shit so that they can get woke points and free ad space for being gud boiz on twitter? Have people forgotten that you don't need to look any further for mayters for the civil rights cause when you already have people like Rosa Parks and MLK who were perfectly good people who had no reason to be killed by the police or the FBI?
Except the alligator bait part. It never happened. It was a propaganda subject that cashed in on a racist stereotype, but no reports of it actually happened exist
@@TheSergio1021 ...that you know of. People making clothes and furnishings out of Jewish human skin were decried as too outlandish, even though some museums have actual proof. Even though we have games like RimWorld that treat it both as a cutesy joke and a legitimate gameplay mechanic.
@@xkavarsmith9322 no, saying "that you know of" is a faulty argument. You killed no one, that I know of. So therefore, can I still accuse you of murder? I literally tried looking it up, which you didnt. Snopes goes into depth on research. The only "evidence" that there was anything of it came from second hand stories, similar to like an urban legend. But never any specific details of it actually happening.
@@TheSergio1021 Also he's wrong about Juneteenth. It was just a day that the Union army went to Texas and said "Slavery dead". It's not "nobody told the slaves" it's "Army said it on this date at this place."
MAN, one of the most important thing you learn in IT or any heavy technical job is that YOU DO NOT TYPE SOMETHING SARCASTIC OR HATEFUL IN ANY FIELD THAT CAN BE SAVED. Someone WILL see it, there are no exceptions, if it can be saved, someone's eyes will come across it at some point.
Strange Fruit- something I would hope only appears in horror novels but is utterly terrifying to realize that it is a term used in reality for its purpose of dehuminization or coping with horrible events depending on whom uses it....
it's funny because bonobos are famously kind and pro-social, usually contrasted to chimpanzees, which are violent and the more common racist "comparison" to black people. That makes the use of bonobos fpr rracism really
@@coreylemon Yeah it's a 3D modeling/dev tool program Bungie made back in the day. Apparently this happened before with Halo having stuff named Bonobo and Blam before as well before being changed.
These types of conversations are so intriguing to me. Like I don’t know much about history, let alone other cultures history. I went to the Blacks in Wax museum in DC back when I was a freshman in HS. When we got to the … slavery section… and they gave warnings… I seriously hated certain individuals for a good three weeks. Of course I don’t feel like that now, but the world has been and still is filled with evil people.
This is up there with CTR Nitro Fueled, before a same day patch, when Tawna dropped as a playable character, there was a skin that is now named Summertime Tawna where she has a pink shirt with Watermelon seeds on it, slightly tanner fur, its cute. BEFORE the patch, it was called Watermelon Tawna, looked pretty much the same except the fur was much MUCH darker. On top of this, they also changed White Tawna to White Tiger Tawna.
So apparently it's a system named Bonobo that even Bungie used back in the day when making Halo that 343 still uses it seems but the fact that the emblem in question was for Juneteenth makes me wonder is someone named it that on purpose
I'll never forget when my brother and I saw a sign in south Carolina that said "free watermelon" and pointed into the woods with no path at all. My brother and I just looked at eachother in disbelief .
It's always a joy when Pat can give Woolie a new experience live on stream :3 That narrowed eyes into eyebrows shooting straight up realization moment is always great XD
It's crazy how much is hidden from people. As an American black guy it's just wild seeing everyone else's "first time reaction". For me personally, I learned a lot of this stuff super early (It's pretty unavoidable sometimes tbh. Important to be aware and know your history and all that jazz) The "used slaves skin as leather" is one thing. Using hair as chair cushion filling. Then there was the eating of slaves. Putting slave children in holes so only their heads were exposed and making a game outta kicking their heads off. "Eenie meanie miney moe" not originally having the word "tiger" in it. Etc etc etc. Man, yeah there's a lot. And it's just the surface, there's TONS more horrendous stuff. And it's so wild, that instead of acknowledging the history. So many Americans out there wanna vote to hide it. People out there saying "Oh it's not a big deal". Mad depressing. The American education system has done a lot to do their best to hide the FULL history of what's happened. Avoiding lessons about why there's so many inequalities, why the system targets certain individuals. Which in turn, just creates more ignorant masses. Instead of teaching what happened, so that we build a better, more aware generation.
Aware of what? Inhumane bullshit that just puts ideas in peoples’ heads? The only way to counteract the atrocities of human history is to teach good values to our children such as respect, courage, honesty, humility, faith, patriotism, and initiative. I know this all sounds really corny and pretty basic stuff, but that’s only because we as a society have spent too long laughing at the idea of such “old fashioned ideals” that we think that’s we’re above such childish things. In reality those things are what create heroes and positive role models. I’m not saying we should keep hiding things from the public (you know what they say about not knowing your history), but in the end, teaching about just hatred and division will only brew more of the same hatred and division. Let’s teach how to love absolutely, unconditionally, rather that trying in vain to fight hate with more hate.
Take it from me, a german, burying your head in the sand about sordid history breeds a society of people that don't consider history when making decisions.
Yeah but instead a lot of the left want to flat out delete history because it makes people sad Persona 4 said it best, the average person wants to avoid the truth, whether thats hiding it in fog, or deleting it all together if it keeps your little bit of happiness in tact
@sdbzfan1 Pretty sure it's mostly the right that wants it to not be taught. Seeing as they constantly complain about "critical race theory" and whatnot that'll supposedly brainwash kids into thinking that the US isn't nearly as great as people pretend it is.
@@TheMarioman121 not taught and removed are not the same, the right absolutely wants to hide the sins of the past under the rug, but a lot of the fsr left wants to erase history as "it doesnt matter" and "feelings over fact" Whether for good reasons or bad reasons both sides want to act like the bad never happened or the right wanting to downplay it as not as bad as people act like it is
I spent this whole video trying to figure out what Pat's beard reminded me of only to realize that it was reminding me the Shitstorm 7 intro portrait of him.
Professor Wollie Madden out here teaching us about the evils of Human atrocities that are not talked about or even referenced. That be one of the best podcast to listen, but its so much funny to see his expressions here alongside Pat's too lmao
13th Amendment: Neither *slavery* nor involuntary servitude, except *as* *a* *punishment* *for* *crime* whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, *shall* *exist* within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. (emphasis mine)
Yup, due to this loophole we technically have slavery in the form of our prison system. And it explains the justice system's enmity towards minorities (especially black men), and their for-profit nature. The only thing that changed was the name, seemingly. Much like slavery to sharecropper shit.
The painful irony that the best Halo content released recently was the technically-legally-distinct weapons and cosmetics that came alongside Bungie's 30th anniversary celebration still has not stopped hitting me.
Saw a video once of a Black guy who restored old furniture, got a wingback chair that had been stuffed with Black people's hair instead of like cotton or whatever. Nuts.
Between this and the Miles Morales Thor thing I got hit with a one two of back handed racism today, I'm down for the count, don't bother counting to 10
As a native of South Georgia swampland (Okefenokee swamp), I can confirm the gator bait merch that used to be sold at bait shops and local corner stores til at least ‘99.
Because you won't just accept that "yes, humans can and were and will be shit" and can't balance it in your heart with "yes, humans can and were and will be pretty good to each other". It's the weird juxtaposition and paradox that are humans. Like, just living every day is a paradox with how many logical faults just exist in society that people just get used to and don't question or question too much.
For someone like me who knows nothing about the old school racism, this video was very informative indeed. The leather shoe part ACTUALLY gave me goosebumps.
"Code Monkey just simple man! With big, warm fuzzy secret heart! Code Monkey like you! CODE MONKEY LIKE YOU!~" Imagine a Black coder being in a IT thing with the other White Code Monkey's feeling some type of way. This is also why I can never believe how anyone think super villain's just being insane evil is too fake when this stuff just happened in history and today and I just realize more and more that not only are people stupid but are design not to realize it by just nature.
Everyone who thinks super villain shit in games and movies is cartoonish hasn't really read a history book. Scaphism is a form of torute people invented that involves trapping a prisoner and feeding them milk and honey. They are then fed the same food over and over again. This is the same world where Chinese infant children were used by Japanese soldiers like aerial practice targets, or bayonet targets. Hatred+Dehumanization = The Hellmouth opens.
@@charleswisconsin9196 First part: Look up the song Code Monkey. Second part: Self explanatory. Third part: In reference to the stuff slavers and such did as not even trying to be evil, but a matter of course. People just do and did fucked up shit. That's it. And how people don't understand that is insane or think that people can't be even more cartoon evil then actual cartoons.
Whoolie's reaction to the bonobo thing was fucking amazing because I was also hearing it for the first time, and I was reacting as he was. Hard to describe, but it was great.
I love when Woolie and Pat get into real life stuff like psychology, economics, history, civil rights, etc. Not many gamers are as humble and earnest about serious issues for fear of “coming off as woke”. Y’all don’t care. You’re unapologetic about what your beliefs are, and that’s why I’ve stuck by you guys.
"Our next colour palette named Mr bonobo will be much more sensitive* just cuts to every character wearing a mr popo turban with black skin or black armour and huge painted on lips
Pat mixing up "Where The Red Fern Grows" and "Between Two Ferns" is such an underrated gaffe, not unlike mixing up Qui Gon Jin and Quan Chi in the Ride To Hell lp.
Must suck being the poor bastard who's going to end up getting the blame for this when the entire thought process for using Bonobo as a placeholder was probably "hehe funny monkey"
10:20 So this is perhaps not intentional at all, but it is a yt moment of not catching it before it went live, like ffs sensitivity readers exist for a reason and that applies to code and file management too.
Yes, to be bloat and provide nothing for society and be a fake job. Reminder, a sensitivity reader made a woman change a story because it talked about slavery in China instead of in America because it "wasn't right".
@@xkavarsmith9322 that's because i've been treating black people, and anyone really but i guess we have to be specific nowadays, equally since i was born.
if there's one silver lining coming from this news. Companies will now be aware to not lazily release something with their default naming thing still there
@@swagtasticpanda Why would you want people to be even dumber then they already are? We already have nativity problem in politics in general where people vote the same evil into office or don't even know who was voted in because they only care about the biggest name in any form of government.
@@RavenCloak13 in short, a growing excuse among politicians as well as political pundits as to why institutional systems keep falling apart in North America is feigning ignorance when cornered and asked about positions they've propped and spoke about for months, sometimes even years.
I also love the automatic response of "nuh-uh, that didn't happen". I mean... really? Someone is going to defend the moral fortitude of slave owners? 150 years after the fact? I mean, I never really get how denialists don't cut their losses and move on. It seems a lot easier saying "so ok, those people way, way long ago were bad, but things aren't like that any more". The stance is still bullshit of course,, but seems easier to defend since you don't have to build up arguments to defend racists that have been buried for 100 years.
@@ye9945 LOL true, mf writing essays like anyone's gonna read that, glad to see not everyone that left in this community isn't a complete loser and calls this shit out.
Ok, so I looked up the shoes made of black people like Woolie implored and...HOO BOY that is...yeah I see why schools just don't cover this. I'm 27, and I can barely process this. The way people who wore the shoes talked about it too, is...oh man it's stomach turning.
That's actually the stance a lot of people come to after finding out more and more about the treatment of slaves and natives. It's so fucking bad, man. Conservatives straight up try to ban the teaching of any of this because "it'll make children hate America." Uh, if the only way to get children to love their country is to lie and hide centuries of abhorrent, inhuman shit that is a giant red flag. For some people it's the shoes. For it's what happened to Tulsa. To other its the Syphilis experiments on black people.
No, the reason schools don't cover it is a concentrated effort from the right in America to erase the horrors of the past as they push to return to it. Full stop. There's no concern with it being too much, it's shitty racists trying to make shitty dead racists look better.
@@Revan058 Correct, almost immediately after the Civil War was over we had pieces of shit paying to erect statues of the traitors and whitewashing the events that occurred. Notice how a major effort from conservatives has been to ban the teaching of anything that exposes just how foul our country has been in practically every era.
@@RicochetForce Most of those shitty statues the Right love so much? Were put up in the *60s*. You know. During the Civil Rights movement. Almost like it was a direct reaction to a certain race getting 'uppity', so thry had to be reminded of something.
A lot of series, the horror genre itself, is based on processing physical, emotional and mental trauma from surviving all kinds of violence and pain. American slavery and racism inspires a lot.
About to get my masters in history education and I can completely relate to Pat finding that just EVERYTHING in America goes back to racism if you scratch the surface hard enough. Like I was doing a paper on Prohibiton, you know, the banning of alcohol, and I dug just a little too deep and discovered 'Oop, it was also popular because they thought it would keep the Irish from causing too much trouble' :|
As an Irish guy, a lot of people would be surprised at just how hated Irish people were in America. Considering how much Americans claim to love Irish people nowadays,we used to be considered subhuman to them
Oh yeah, it's fucking bad. There's a reason folks want to ensure our curriculum across the entire country teaches this, because it's as close to a fucking Original Sin of the nation as it gets. It's the 800 pound Gorilla sitting in practically every room. As you said, scratch even a little bit or get into source material from that era and it's... wow.
@@RoachDoggJR4200 Which seems weird that it is hard to understand, since you have easily comparable modern parallels. I mean just saying "we were the Latino guys back then". While racists are creative with new twists, they sure do love them some of the old classics they use over and over.
Was also a feminist movement that caused EVEN MORE PROBLEMS and ironically gave MORE power to the Irish gangs and other gangs during the rise of American mobs who end up being more civil and understanding then the government. Though, do find it funny when people think Irish is the most White because of the red hair and such but then you remember the Irish weren't even considered White for the longest time.
Woolie: Don't give me that baby casual racism shit, put on a hood!!! Bring it on!!!
Woolie's on the competitive racism scene
@@posteriorpepperoni woolie: casual racism implies the existence of ranked competitive racism
Woolie's views on ghosts clearly extends to spooky white hooded people as well.
@@posteriorpepperoni Ah yes, the infamous "I can be way more racist than you" youtube video
The man fights ghosts on the regular and will instantly invoke the N word at them at the drop of a hat. They can't do shit about it.
Imagine if Woolie had played Winston in Ghostbusters.
The stages Woolie's face goes through as "bonobo" hits him and he starts to process it are priceless
For a second I felt like we might get another RIFERINE moment.
You could almost _hear_ the words "I'm sorry, WHAT?!" tear through his synapses.
He goes through all 5 stages of grief in 3 seconds
Confused WTF
Disbelieving WTF
Astonished WTF
Delighted WTF
raw level 3 super Q.A./Localization crunch mistake comboing directly into his other _favorite_ industry-guilt topic.
Woolie doesn't want "Welcome to Revachol". He wants "Your body betrays your degeneracy".
Advanced Racism
it makes things simple
Nah he wants Gary going "YELLOW MAN!"
He wants "Welcome to Revachol" but with Rhetoric chiming in to let you know that this person means it in the racist way.
What's the situation he was talking about with the first phrase? I haven't played Disco Elysium yet.
What Woolie said reminded me of that Key & Peele sketch in the bar where everyone acts awkward about them being black and they really appreciate the waiter just going "I'm not comfortable around black people"
When i first moved to michigan i visited detroit and i eventually wandered into a bar and i found out real quick that i was the only white guy in there.
The fact that this story evolved from racist to incompetent programming is so funny
343 would never be racist, Master Chief is friends with the Arbiter and would've voted for Obama a third time if he could
It's almost like people are desperate to claim racism even where it doesn't exist.
That tends to happen with hasty coverups. The Streisand effect kicks in.
"Incompetent programming" sure
I don't think you can remove racism from the table. More like racist and forgot to cover it up.
Come on Woolie, 343 just had a heated gaming development moment.
“There just a funny little guy who made a funny little mistake”
@@Mr.Faust3 "Who could ever have beef with me? I'm just a silly little guy."
color palette: 00C00C
You can see the Rage of Africa subtly possess Woolie's body as Pat breaks the news.
The rage of all of African history from 1600s to 2000
@@s7robin105 *2020 and (an unfortunate possibility) beyond
I thought Woolie was from Grenada... Which isn't an African country...
@@kiefergray6189 you do know how they got to Grenada, right?
@@mikeyjnson Indeed, but in order for the joke to work Woolie would have to the child of a 1st Generation African. That's why Jamaicans only consider themselves Jamaican and not African. They're so far removed from the slavery shit by the time they were born that it doesn't make sense to refer to themselves as Africans.
4:04 Woolie as the boss character in SF4:
“Show me your racism! ALL OF IT. Don’t hold back!”
Gotta love the clips where it's just Woolie's Big Racism hour
Woolie and racism go hand in hand like freedom and Juneteenth
@@Mr.Faust3 Wait which one is the cho-
@@gorade1901 w-woolie is the peanuts I swear
@@Mr.Faust3 Hey make sure to change that to "Juneteenth and Freedom" before you click Reply.
@@fishbiter9409 ah yes the prefect plan to cover my tracks before anyone notices it
Nothing tickles Woolie like accidental and/or incompetence based racism.
Isn’t that not racism technically? I just figure some programmer got bored and thought the name sounded funny.
@@CrispyChaos38 no its been the name of a dev tool since bungie worked on halo
@@ChaseStopera That's why it's accidental.
@@CrispyChaos38 A bonobo is a kind of ape.
I mean it is based
imagine if the emblem had Sgt. Johnson's face on it on top of this.
Just a note: Juneteenth is not really a “new” holiday. It’s existed for a while but just wasn’t common tradition outside of a few states until fairly recently
Yea, I had no idea of its existence until it was brought up by Trump on Twitter a few years ago xD
This. I'm glad more folks get to share in the celebration. As a kid we didn't even have fun events, just black history lectures lol
It is newly federally recognized as of last year, which is probably why a lot of America is "learning" of it. Similar to what happened with the Tulsa Race Massacre when the Watchmen show came out the other year.
Yeah. The context in which it’s a new holiday is that it was officially named a federal holiday in the US last year (2021)
Yeah I live in Texas and I’ve been celebrating it since I was a kid
I heard this on audio, and while it was still great, seeing Woolie process it made it infinitely better
Halo Infinitely better
Sask native here. When Pat started talking about us I knew exactly where it was going and was just stuck starring at my shoes. Fuck man.
Oof, man
Fucking blows, man.
Woolie you're partially right. It celebrates the "day" that union soldiers marched to Texas to tell the slaves there, since geographically Texas had no idea how the civil war ended. The reason it's called Juneteenth is because they don't know the actual day.
Don’t forget it took 2 years after the fact before Texas informed their slaves they were free. It took them… 2 years 😐
@@BigSisterNeko Sort of. While it was indeed two years after the Emancipation Proclamation, that obviously didn't have any affect while Texas wasn't under Union control, and news reached Texas only a couple of months after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. And the slave states that didn't secede weren't affected by the Emancipation Proclamation and waited several more months for the 13th Amendment to be ratified for the slaves there to become free.
Texas would have kept that secret just as long as they could.
"Hey ugh...what's that particle effect called?"
"Oh, those. Well, they appear in tree branches but only on the southern end of the map, so we've been calling them Southern_Windchimes"
"Mmmhmm 😶"
Can you explain that opne to a foreigner?
@@demilung It's a racist euphemism for black people hanged from trees. Southern because the southern US kept slavery legal longer than the north and fought a whole civil war with the north to keep it legal.
For those that arent aware Bungie used to have (and might still have?) a mascot that was a gorilla in a top hat, gorillas and apes and stuff used to be weirdly prominent in their branding (i think it started to change when Superintendent started to become more of a mascot?), so the "bonobo is an old internal tool" is completely believable.
@@jingaijigokumoto6119 That part was a joke on Woolie's part
Yea except this ain't bungie and any old heads from bungie are not there
@@DarthPlaugas We're talking about an application, not a person.
As someone in Texas, I can't get over the amount of second hand smoke that Woolie has to take over situations like this. Bravo boys.
> Being ignorant rules.
As someone who's an immigrant in the US I've dealt with a lot of shit, I felt like I had a grasp on how insane it got. Then I dated a Native woman in the while living in the northeast for several years and it really opened my mind to how awfully fucked the world and other people can be.
Yeah I don't understand how anyone can create the slogan "Kill the Indian, save the human." And think that they're not awful people.
key part being "can" be.
it ain't the world and don't fall into the pit of misanthropy
humans are great, tribalism just is an unfortunate by-product of social animals
How is this podcast not categorized as educational, you learn so much every day!
So glad we could get Woolie's live facial reaction to this insanity.
I'm glad I'm not the only one and that I'm in the same boat as pat when it comes to not knowing about these holidays. I still don't think that you need all these holidays tho. I mean...don't people know that corporations only push this shit so that they can get woke points and free ad space for being gud boiz on twitter? Have people forgotten that you don't need to look any further for mayters for the civil rights cause when you already have people like Rosa Parks and MLK who were perfectly good people who had no reason to be killed by the police or the FBI?
Except the alligator bait part.
It never happened. It was a propaganda subject that cashed in on a racist stereotype, but no reports of it actually happened exist
@@TheSergio1021 ...that you know of.
People making clothes and furnishings out of Jewish human skin were decried as too outlandish, even though some museums have actual proof. Even though we have games like RimWorld that treat it both as a cutesy joke and a legitimate gameplay mechanic.
@@xkavarsmith9322 no, saying "that you know of" is a faulty argument. You killed no one, that I know of. So therefore, can I still accuse you of murder?
I literally tried looking it up, which you didnt. Snopes goes into depth on research. The only "evidence" that there was anything of it came from second hand stories, similar to like an urban legend. But never any specific details of it actually happening.
@@TheSergio1021 Also he's wrong about Juneteenth. It was just a day that the Union army went to Texas and said "Slavery dead". It's not "nobody told the slaves" it's "Army said it on this date at this place."
MAN, one of the most important thing you learn in IT or any heavy technical job is that YOU DO NOT TYPE SOMETHING SARCASTIC OR HATEFUL IN ANY FIELD THAT CAN BE SAVED.
Someone WILL see it, there are no exceptions, if it can be saved, someone's eyes will come across it at some point.
but it wasn't hateful.
343 missed a step by not having Infinite take place in Mombasa in Africa again.
Elites: "Glass it again."
The way the story actively progressed in this clip was magical.
Strange Fruit- something I would hope only appears in horror novels but is utterly terrifying to realize that it is a term used in reality for its purpose of dehuminization or coping with horrible events depending on whom uses it....
The "Bane backstory" moment destroyed me
When I heard "bonobo" I shouted in pain. Like holy shit
I didn't know what bonobo was and had to look it up.
Jesus fuck.
it's funny because bonobos are famously kind and pro-social, usually contrasted to chimpanzees, which are violent and the more common racist "comparison" to black people. That makes the use of bonobos fpr rracism really
@@coreylemon I also had to look it up. My god, what a stroke of genius by 343. /sarcasm/
@@coreylemon
Yeah it's a 3D modeling/dev tool program Bungie made back in the day. Apparently this happened before with Halo having stuff named Bonobo and Blam before as well before being changed.
they claimed it's just a placeholder, but how fucking bad is it that the FIRST TIME they EVER mislabel something, it happens to be extremely racist?
So...the history lesson Woolie gives starting at 16:30 was pretty horrifying, huh.
*The more you know...* 💫
Whenever you think you've learned about the most inhuman racist shit possible, there's always something worse you don't know about
@@cattibingo Your profile picture is very fitting to the topic at hand.
@@NihilisticBallman kinda looks like some...Chief Archmage or something...
@@Anime-Doof maybe like a big mayor of Sorcerers kinda?
These types of conversations are so intriguing to me. Like I don’t know much about history, let alone other cultures history. I went to the Blacks in Wax museum in DC back when I was a freshman in HS. When we got to the … slavery section… and they gave warnings… I seriously hated certain individuals for a good three weeks. Of course I don’t feel like that now, but the world has been and still is filled with evil people.
This is up there with CTR Nitro Fueled, before a same day patch, when Tawna dropped as a playable character, there was a skin that is now named Summertime Tawna where she has a pink shirt with Watermelon seeds on it, slightly tanner fur, its cute.
BEFORE the patch, it was called Watermelon Tawna, looked pretty much the same except the fur was much MUCH darker. On top of this, they also changed White Tawna to White Tiger Tawna.
I love it when woolie makes the dark souls 1 death noises
So apparently it's a system named Bonobo that even Bungie used back in the day when making Halo that 343 still uses it seems but the fact that the emblem in question was for Juneteenth makes me wonder is someone named it that on purpose
The spirit of Wakka lives on.
"you know, BRADDA, I really like wearing my Al-Bhed shoes in bed."
With every new revelation, I feel the spirit of John Brown stoking the flames of righteous fury in my heart.
Just don't kill a black guy
I'll never forget when my brother and I saw a sign in south Carolina that said "free watermelon" and pointed into the woods with no path at all. My brother and I just looked at eachother in disbelief .
Jesus. Lazy racism. Laugh and cry.
@@xkavarsmith9322 it actually made us both laugh pretty hard lol
Pretty insane of you to pass up free watermelon all things considered
343 Industries didn't renew their N-Pass Plus subscription before they got caught with this controversy.
It's always a joy when Pat can give Woolie a new experience live on stream :3
That narrowed eyes into eyebrows shooting straight up realization moment is always great
XD
Well really, it is the same old experience. But a fresh new take!
Here I am watching Woolie hit that moment of realization before his face immediately goes through 5 different configurations of shocked.
Truly fantastic reaction from Wooly, close 2nd to Pat looking up what Strange Fruit is.
I looked it up and literally shouted "OH SHIT!"
My uncle works at a company that officially takes juneteenth off as a holiday. He appreciates it very much.
It's crazy how much is hidden from people. As an American black guy it's just wild seeing everyone else's "first time reaction". For me personally, I learned a lot of this stuff super early (It's pretty unavoidable sometimes tbh. Important to be aware and know your history and all that jazz)
The "used slaves skin as leather" is one thing. Using hair as chair cushion filling. Then there was the eating of slaves. Putting slave children in holes so only their heads were exposed and making a game outta kicking their heads off. "Eenie meanie miney moe" not originally having the word "tiger" in it. Etc etc etc.
Man, yeah there's a lot. And it's just the surface, there's TONS more horrendous stuff. And it's so wild, that instead of acknowledging the history. So many Americans out there wanna vote to hide it. People out there saying "Oh it's not a big deal". Mad depressing.
The American education system has done a lot to do their best to hide the FULL history of what's happened. Avoiding lessons about why there's so many inequalities, why the system targets certain individuals. Which in turn, just creates more ignorant masses. Instead of teaching what happened, so that we build a better, more aware generation.
Aware of what? Inhumane bullshit that just puts ideas in peoples’ heads? The only way to counteract the atrocities of human history is to teach good values to our children such as respect, courage, honesty, humility, faith, patriotism, and initiative.
I know this all sounds really corny and pretty basic stuff, but that’s only because we as a society have spent too long laughing at the idea of such “old fashioned ideals” that we think that’s we’re above such childish things. In reality those things are what create heroes and positive role models.
I’m not saying we should keep hiding things from the public (you know what they say about not knowing your history), but in the end, teaching about just hatred and division will only brew more of the same hatred and division. Let’s teach how to love absolutely, unconditionally, rather that trying in vain to fight hate with more hate.
Take it from me, a german, burying your head in the sand about sordid history breeds a society of people that don't consider history when making decisions.
Yeah but instead a lot of the left want to flat out delete history because it makes people sad
Persona 4 said it best, the average person wants to avoid the truth, whether thats hiding it in fog, or deleting it all together if it keeps your little bit of happiness in tact
@sdbzfan1 Pretty sure it's mostly the right that wants it to not be taught. Seeing as they constantly complain about "critical race theory" and whatnot that'll supposedly brainwash kids into thinking that the US isn't nearly as great as people pretend it is.
@@TheMarioman121 not taught and removed are not the same, the right absolutely wants to hide the sins of the past under the rug, but a lot of the fsr left wants to erase history as "it doesnt matter" and "feelings over fact"
Whether for good reasons or bad reasons both sides want to act like the bad never happened or the right wanting to downplay it as not as bad as people act like it is
I spent this whole video trying to figure out what Pat's beard reminded me of only to realize that it was reminding me the Shitstorm 7 intro portrait of him.
watching Woolies face process Pat's Information in real time was a treat i didnt know i needed
Professor Wollie Madden out here teaching us about the evils of Human atrocities that are not talked about or even referenced. That be one of the best podcast to listen, but its so much funny to see his expressions here alongside Pat's too lmao
Man… From Halo, to SLAVE SHOES and BABY BAIT.
and that is why this podcast will never get old... everbrown indeed
13th Amendment: Neither *slavery* nor involuntary servitude, except *as* *a* *punishment* *for* *crime* whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, *shall* *exist* within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. (emphasis mine)
Post civil war a bunch of plantations just turned into private prisons
Yeah there has been a whole lot of effort towards making use of those loopholes.
Yup, due to this loophole we technically have slavery in the form of our prison system. And it explains the justice system's enmity towards minorities (especially black men), and their for-profit nature.
The only thing that changed was the name, seemingly. Much like slavery to sharecropper shit.
Can't believe they made the Constitution political.
Which is why drug offenders receive the same amount of time as murderers in the US, to boost the prison economy.
God it has just been L after L with 343 lately this is wild lmao
The painful irony that the best Halo content released recently was the technically-legally-distinct weapons and cosmetics that came alongside Bungie's 30th anniversary celebration still has not stopped hitting me.
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong that destiny 2 event is great, they just give you the halo battle rifle and a slightly modified magnum
I want a castle rascim beast cast from Woolie. Just a full rundown from him. It would be both entertaining and VERY informative.
All he needs are at least 2 or more people that love laughing about this shit with him and I promise you it'll be done lol
"Castle Racism Beast"
castle super racist
least racism obsessed CSB viewer
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i love woolie's face here, he is not offended, just confused.
Saw a video once of a Black guy who restored old furniture, got a wingback chair that had been stuffed with Black people's hair instead of like cotton or whatever. Nuts.
And I saw a video of someone who owned a book bound in the skin of old slaves! Scary stuff.
Holy fuck that's awful. I'd have been like "hey, can I just burn this? I'll compensate you, this thing just HAS TO GO"
Racism fans have been eating like KINGS lately
It's not that i don't like racism, I just think it has a toxic fanbase
"I can't believe people wore other people as clothing."
-t. man who brought up Icelandic Necropants (SBFC 211)
Between this and the Miles Morales Thor thing I got hit with a one two of back handed racism today, I'm down for the count, don't bother counting to 10
343 did say that they were looking for people to hire. Maybe they hired some Gamers.
woolly how does it feel to have your soul trying to leave your body looks painful
played halo infinite yesterday. people are already using "bonobo" as an insult. complete mystery what they would have said a week ago instead 🙃
rip bozo.
@@charleswisconsin9196 i had a feeling you were a troll.
God ol Xbox lobby
I got an ad about slavery in Canada while watching this and it enhanced my experience substantially
As a native of South Georgia swampland (Okefenokee swamp), I can confirm the gator bait merch that used to be sold at bait shops and local corner stores til at least ‘99.
Definitely still is.
I don't know why I keep getting surprised.
Because you won't just accept that "yes, humans can and were and will be shit" and can't balance it in your heart with "yes, humans can and were and will be pretty good to each other". It's the weird juxtaposition and paradox that are humans. Like, just living every day is a paradox with how many logical faults just exist in society that people just get used to and don't question or question too much.
For someone like me who knows nothing about the old school racism, this video was very informative indeed. The leather shoe part ACTUALLY gave me goosebumps.
"Code Monkey just simple man! With big, warm fuzzy secret heart! Code Monkey like you! CODE MONKEY LIKE YOU!~"
Imagine a Black coder being in a IT thing with the other White Code Monkey's feeling some type of way.
This is also why I can never believe how anyone think super villain's just being insane evil is too fake when this stuff just happened in history and today and I just realize more and more that not only are people stupid but are design not to realize it by just nature.
Everyone who thinks super villain shit in games and movies is cartoonish hasn't really read a history book. Scaphism is a form of torute people invented that involves trapping a prisoner and feeding them milk and honey. They are then fed the same food over and over again. This is the same world where Chinese infant children were used by Japanese soldiers like aerial practice targets, or bayonet targets.
Hatred+Dehumanization = The Hellmouth opens.
what the hell are you saying?
@@charleswisconsin9196
First part: Look up the song Code Monkey.
Second part: Self explanatory.
Third part: In reference to the stuff slavers and such did as not even trying to be evil, but a matter of course. People just do and did fucked up shit. That's it. And how people don't understand that is insane or think that people can't be even more cartoon evil then actual cartoons.
I love pat and woolie history lessons.
Whoolie's reaction to the bonobo thing was fucking amazing because I was also hearing it for the first time, and I was reacting as he was.
Hard to describe, but it was great.
Juneteenth has actually been around here in the US for a good while. I remember reading about it in school in the 2000's
I didnt know what Bonobo meant until this video and i love this situation. Its hilarious
The only way this was missed is that the art team made an inside joke and the vetting team missed it prior to the update
Hardest boss in Elden Lore is the Slaveskin Duo
I always learn geometric magnitudes of learn when learn has not been learned.
Also learned recently that Maroon is a color and Maroons is not.
I love when Woolie and Pat get into real life stuff like psychology, economics, history, civil rights, etc. Not many gamers are as humble and earnest about serious issues for fear of “coming off as woke”. Y’all don’t care. You’re unapologetic about what your beliefs are, and that’s why I’ve stuck by you guys.
oh boy.
Normal human behaviour go!
343 Release: "Oops, sorry, we didn't mean to call it Bonobo, we just wanted to change the Brutes to that colour pallet, our oopsies, uh oh, sowwy"
"Our next colour palette named Mr bonobo will be much more sensitive* just cuts to every character wearing a mr popo turban with black skin or black armour and huge painted on lips
.... I just got a fucking vision of a possible future where that shit goes down.
This podcast was wild
Pat has heard of "strange fruit" before because Woolie brought it up during a playthrough once. I believe it was LA Noire if im not mistaken.
yea he said "papa trees" if i'm not mistaken. Billy Holiday - 'Strange Fruit'... great song- check it out. also 'Gloomy Sunday'.
@@danhectic5629 It is a great song but I never want to listen again because it's just overwhelmingly depressing.
That might have been where I heard it from but, cannot find anything that seems related to it.
@@XShrike0 In the NMH2 LP, Pat isn't in it but Woolie brings up Pat learning about 'Alabama Windchimes'.
Pat mixing up "Where The Red Fern Grows" and "Between Two Ferns" is such an underrated gaffe, not unlike mixing up Qui Gon Jin and Quan Chi in the Ride To Hell lp.
Low key worried Bonobo in general is gonna be considered a dog whistle, Bonobo is a good musician man.
No, that's Bono. Bonobos are a type of drums.
@@roman11777 They're referring to Simon Green, who makes downtempo electronic music under the stage name Bonobo.
@@roman11777 That's Bongos, bonobos are horny, great apes.
@@roman11777 no that's bongos, bonobo is a candy in French
@@Metaphizzle yup
My first response to Pat declaring the name of the color palette was to scream "THAT'S NOT REAL" at my monitor.
For the record: yeah. It was. u_u
@@xkavarsmith9322 yes, but also no.
Oh boy we LEARNING TODAY!!
lots of people exposed for not knowing one of their primate cousins
Pitiful
Must suck being the poor bastard who's going to end up getting the blame for this when the entire thought process for using Bonobo as a placeholder was probably "hehe funny monkey"
Play Code Monkey on the loud speakers.
Man, a Black computer coder must feel some kind of way compared to his White Code Monkey's.
When he talked about the shoes I had to put my head on my desk.
*critical mental damage taken.
DAMAGED MORALE
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13:52 "Southern trees... bear a strange fruit....".
P.S yeah, being brown and reading through your country's history is pretty rough.
I try to see a glass half full with these things. Like “what if it was a planned name for something else” but like. I CANT
10:20
So this is perhaps not intentional at all, but it is a yt moment of not catching it before it went live, like ffs sensitivity readers exist for a reason and that applies to code and file management too.
Apparently Bungie has also previously used animal names as error codes in the past, including bonobo. You can find a Destiny help page for it.
But have you considered that people on the internet can call these people racist in order to get attention?
Yes, to be bloat and provide nothing for society and be a fake job.
Reminder, a sensitivity reader made a woman change a story because it talked about slavery in China instead of in America because it "wasn't right".
* Deplatforms Abraham Lincoln *
* Makes the emancipation a national holiday *
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Juneteenth isn't that new, but it's new to many in the U.S., ironically.
It took 2 years to tell Texas; no surprise it took 200 to tell the rest of the mainland.
@@xkavarsmith9322 that's because i've been treating black people, and anyone really but i guess we have to be specific nowadays, equally since i was born.
“Gimme that overt shit”
God, he is not wrong.
This is an extremely informative video and honestly..the shit I’ve heard is going to haunt me
This is the Fallout 76 of Halo games
"It's Fallout time..."
~Todd "Morbius" Howard
343 projecting the same energy as the "oop queen" lady.
Woolie goes on a face journey within the first minute
I've been waiting for this one ever since I saw Pat's tweets.
if there's one silver lining coming from this news. Companies will now be aware to not lazily release something with their default naming thing still there
Do you really, honestly believe that?
Lol, LMAO
i genuinely, seriously, wish the entire sphere of American politics was as naive and impressionable as you are.
@@swagtasticpanda
Why would you want people to be even dumber then they already are? We already have nativity problem in politics in general where people vote the same evil into office or don't even know who was voted in because they only care about the biggest name in any form of government.
@@RavenCloak13 in short, a growing excuse among politicians as well as political pundits as to why institutional systems keep falling apart in North America is feigning ignorance when cornered and asked about positions they've propped and spoke about for months, sometimes even years.
"There are creatives among the racists." was a fun lesson to take away from this.
Learning about the alligator thing was not fun!
I also love the automatic response of "nuh-uh, that didn't happen". I mean... really? Someone is going to defend the moral fortitude of slave owners? 150 years after the fact? I mean, I never really get how denialists don't cut their losses and move on. It seems a lot easier saying "so ok, those people way, way long ago were bad, but things aren't like that any more". The stance is still bullshit of course,, but seems easier to defend since you don't have to build up arguments to defend racists that have been buried for 100 years.
@@lemeres2478 you should go complain on reddit or something
@@ye9945 LOL true, mf writing essays like anyone's gonna read that, glad to see not everyone that left in this community isn't a complete loser and calls this shit out.
Ok, so I looked up the shoes made of black people like Woolie implored and...HOO BOY that is...yeah I see why schools just don't cover this. I'm 27, and I can barely process this. The way people who wore the shoes talked about it too, is...oh man it's stomach turning.
That's actually the stance a lot of people come to after finding out more and more about the treatment of slaves and natives. It's so fucking bad, man. Conservatives straight up try to ban the teaching of any of this because "it'll make children hate America."
Uh, if the only way to get children to love their country is to lie and hide centuries of abhorrent, inhuman shit that is a giant red flag. For some people it's the shoes. For it's what happened to Tulsa. To other its the Syphilis experiments on black people.
No, the reason schools don't cover it is a concentrated effort from the right in America to erase the horrors of the past as they push to return to it.
Full stop. There's no concern with it being too much, it's shitty racists trying to make shitty dead racists look better.
@@Revan058 Correct, almost immediately after the Civil War was over we had pieces of shit paying to erect statues of the traitors and whitewashing the events that occurred.
Notice how a major effort from conservatives has been to ban the teaching of anything that exposes just how foul our country has been in practically every era.
@@RicochetForce Most of those shitty statues the Right love so much?
Were put up in the *60s*. You know. During the Civil Rights movement.
Almost like it was a direct reaction to a certain race getting 'uppity', so thry had to be reminded of something.
@@Revan058 Yup, that's why it's never a coincidence that a lot of the awful shit in our history is being actively ignored in school curriculums.
23:13 These things are insane enough that you kinda just forget after a short amount of time
17:06 holy shit we're really learning today
Woolie expression through all of this is priceless!
Wait wtf,are you telling me Freddy Krueger's backstory was based on slave prisoners?
A lot of series, the horror genre itself, is based on processing physical, emotional and mental trauma from surviving all kinds of violence and pain. American slavery and racism inspires a lot.
Video games were a bad idea.
About to get my masters in history education and I can completely relate to Pat finding that just EVERYTHING in America goes back to racism if you scratch the surface hard enough.
Like I was doing a paper on Prohibiton, you know, the banning of alcohol, and I dug just a little too deep and discovered 'Oop, it was also popular because they thought it would keep the Irish from causing too much trouble'
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As an Irish guy, a lot of people would be surprised at just how hated Irish people were in America. Considering how much Americans claim to love Irish people nowadays,we used to be considered subhuman to them
Oh yeah, it's fucking bad. There's a reason folks want to ensure our curriculum across the entire country teaches this, because it's as close to a fucking Original Sin of the nation as it gets. It's the 800 pound Gorilla sitting in practically every room. As you said, scratch even a little bit or get into source material from that era and it's... wow.
@@RoachDoggJR4200 Which seems weird that it is hard to understand, since you have easily comparable modern parallels. I mean just saying "we were the Latino guys back then". While racists are creative with new twists, they sure do love them some of the old classics they use over and over.
Was also a feminist movement that caused EVEN MORE PROBLEMS and ironically gave MORE power to the Irish gangs and other gangs during the rise of American mobs who end up being more civil and understanding then the government.
Though, do find it funny when people think Irish is the most White because of the red hair and such but then you remember the Irish weren't even considered White for the longest time.
@@lemeres2478
My friend actually calls himself "potato N-word" because that's pretty much what they were and his Black friends found it funny.
Bonobo really did turn out to be place holder text though..
Yee but the fact they didn’t bother to check thier update is a big sign
Well, just like with the podcast episode of Dan Carlin of Human Resources, I gotta admit I've learned A LOT today
Insane