Where's the Outrage From Free Speech "Absolutists" Over These Stories?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Our civil rights and civil liberties are being eroded-that includes our First Amendment rights. The so-called “free speech absolutists” are nowhere to be found. In this video we’ll talk about multiple troubling stories regarding the First Amendment and our right to organize mass protests and dissent.
Sources:
Three States Effectively Lost the Right to Organize Protests (Vox, April 15, 2024): www.vox.com/scotus/24080080/s...
Tom Cotton’s Fascistic Op-Ed (The New York Times, June 3, 2020):
www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/op...
House Passes Resolution on ‘From the River to the Sea’ (The Hill, April 16, 2024):
thehill.com/homenews/house/45...
Dems that Voted to Censure Tlaib Silent on GOP Comments (The Handbasket, April 2, 2024): www.thehandbasket.co/p/rashid...
Anti-BDS Laws by State (Jewish Virtual Library, Updated 2023):
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...
USC Valedictorian Speech Canceled (HuffPost, April 16, 2024): www.huffpost.com/entry/usc-va...
Full Interview with Asna Tabassum (CNN, April 17, 2024): • USC cancels pro-Palest...
Chapters:
0:00 Erosion of Rights
1:48 DeRay McKesson
6:37 Tom Cotton
8:04 House Condemns 'From the River to the Sea'
9:48 Tim Walberg Calls for Gaza to be Nuked
12:27 Valedictorian Asna Tabassum's Speech Canceled
13:45 Closing Thoughts
15:15 Outro
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Free Speech Absolutism = Free speech for me, not for thee. And they do this for every other constitutional right as well.
Free Speech for me, but ABSOLUTELY NOT for you.
Watch how quickly they will act (as they did back in the 60s) should blk folk organize and exercise their 2A rights
NRA was real quiet about Philando Castile. The same people claim to be free speech absolutists
Yeah it's mostly "shut up and listen to me", and less "okay, now it's your turn for me to hear you out."
Free speech so long as I get the free part and you don't lol.
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Funny how they didn’t seem to have the same attitude towards the Jan. 6th terrorists.
Funny how they don't realize that blaming Antifa will just get themselves in trouble now 😂 anyway, I highly doubt they'll enforce this equally.
Those people were only sharing apple pie recipes and bible study plans! You communists are awful. Can't believe you hate apple pie.
Not that funny, actually.
FACTS!
To us, they were Janurary 6th terrorists, but to them, they were Janurary 6th heroes.
I'll still say free Palestine and we should not stop.
Don't forget, free of sionazi colonists too
We don’t have a bill of rights, we have a list of temporary privileges and the list gets shorter every year.
Just follow the advice of Marx, "any attempt to disarm the working class must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
Keep hold of that 2A right we have while we have it.
And remember to train, train, train. Train yourself to use it, train your body to endure, and train your mind to deal.
4:30
They conveniently miss out their actual reasons:
1. They didn't like it.
2. He's black.
Free speech shouldn't be a partisan issue!
Fascists do it all the time
Oh the naivite...... "free speech" was never about free speech, bigots only want to say what they want, slurs, violent rethoric against their political enemies but if possible deadly repression and execution of political enemies, right wingers are all Nazis.
Oh it is when ur a fascist and try to take others' rights. While we fight for EVERYONE'S FREE SPEECH they fight only for theirs which means u lose your rights while they keep their rights.
Rioting isn’t free speech.
That's exactly what a free-speech partisan might say!
Basic human rights for Palestine shouldn't be a partisan issue!
It is if palesteine is allied with iran and russia which they are
@@carter7944 so that justifies carpet bombing women and children into charred bits?
When did shitlibs become such heartless wretches?
@carter7944 Who forced them to make that decision? Those two countries at least claim to care.
@@carter7944 They're not. Palestine isn't even really a country with a functioning government. They're incapable of building national alliances. The reason Iran has spoken on the issue is because they're the largest Islamic power in the middle east and they don't like when Muslims are slaughtered in mass.
@@carter7944
"How dare they turn to the only countries that seem to actually DO SOMETHING about what's happening to them."
Remember when they passed a bill condemning "Jews will not replace us" as hate speech? Yeah, me either.
Free speech absolutism means using racial slurs and misgendering transpeople, not using free speech for something that makes the world a better place.
Coming from Devin Stone the civil lawyer from LegalEagle, hate speech is considered free speech under US laws, I forgot if he mentioned if it's just in particular jurisdictions within the US or the whole nation but knowing about this can be the first step to change that. The more I watch these Humanist Report videos the more I'd be glad that hate speech would be taken way more seriously than it currently is by federal law.
I am okay with people being able to misgender people and racial slurs if it means that we have free speech. We don't get to police people's speech.
@@Wheels36H3WM I've used to hold right winged viewpoints both by proxy and explicitly in the past, ones in a position of power on that side intentionally mislead you (and my past self) with both the misrepresentation of the science and counter scientific rhetoric to aid in the justification of their policies. They provid misinformation, they're cult-like, trans stuff in comparison is scientifically valid as seen in both human (before HRT) and wild animal studies.
@@Wheels36H3WM In my past I used to hold right winged viewpoints both by proxy and explicitly, those in positions of power intentionally mislead people into believing misrepresented science and counter scientific rhetoric to give justification in their policies. It's not our fault they're giving us misinformation, everyone is prone to succumbing to cults, the leaders use their charisma and people skills to entice you into following their group, ideology, etc. and the right in this instance are cult-like.
@@Wheels36H3WM
Tolerance of intolerance is the death of tolerance. To support and coddle intolerant ideologies is to invite discrimination, abuse, in-groups vs out-groups, and the inevitable Christofascist theocracy that the GOP's evangelical donors want more than anything, and they'll teach you to hate whomever they need to in order to get it.
As someone who is graduating from USC this year, I would like to point out a few things for the rest of you all to know:
1. The cancellation of her speech is very unpopular among the student body. From what I've seen for every person who was fine with it, I saw five people against he speech being canceled (I condemn her speech being canceled).
2. There is a petition for her speech to be restored; there are also movements to email and call the members of the administration to uncancel her speech
3. Our school paper has an Op-ed condemning USC's excuse of cancelling her speech on the grounds of 'safety'
4. Ansa Tabassum has an official statement regarding what happened that has been shared by multiple student activism groups on campus
Politicians want no objections or resistance towards their agenda. That’s why they’re hollowing out the first amendment and cracking down on protests.
Yup, and cop city is the training grounds for how to suppress protests.
Free speech hypocrisy
Maybe instead of calling them the republican party we should call them the spineless party
The funniest thing about Congress making “🎵From sea to shining sea🎶” classified as hate speech is… 🤔…or wait, was it “River to sea”?🤷🏻♂️😏
Oh so in this case, that means Trump
Can be charged in Jan 6th
It cannot be used retroactively
Even if it were national policy, they'll never enforce it equally.
Laws generally don't apply retroactively. So no.
@@ToxicAudriI think that's mostly true for criminalizing people.
But I think for decriminalization, it's possible to retroactively apply new laws.
Also, the new law can apply if there is another Trump Jan 6 event 😂
Yeah the next Trump Jan 6 event 😂
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE!
It's like George Carlin said in his last special: We have no rights. They are "temporary" privileges. And if you read the news, even badly, every year the list gets shorter and shorter.
You knew Free Speech Absolutist was a BS term when Elon Musk came up with it.
And he never believed in it either... Just being questioned by a black man (if we still claim Don Lemon lol) was enough for Elon to fire him... Free Speech absolutist alright 😂😂😂
Like everything else credited to him, Elon didn't invent the term.
"Free speech absolutist" yet he takes offense at a Latin prefix... I actually cannot fathom how anyone takes this pathetic man seriously
Yup
Typical Free Speech for me but not for Thee.
Really though, when *haven't* these people been about "Free speech for me and not for thee"?
"Loyalty Pledges." Literally cultish.
To a foreign nation on top of it all. It's beyond the pale.
By this logic of punishing the leader in case of violent actions... January 6th... ...
Indeed. Trump was literally telling people to attend that protest and certainly did nothing to prevent violence so, even if it was antifa or FBI agitators who committed the violence, Trump would still be responsible for it under these laws. I have no doubt that the right-wing fascists who are implementing these laws would deny that they should be applied to Trump in that case.
*SMH*
Either we fight the Fash, or we get Bashed by the Fash.
Truth!
Right! How bad does it have to get before we see direct action? When we're woken up from our own beds to far-right militants marching through our neighborhoods?
Martin Luther King would be ashamed tbh.
I agree, because this is the only method of peaceful revolution, the inability to peacefully protest without getting shut down and arrested for the actions of agents and saboteurs. It makes a [REDACTED] one inevitable.
"Free speech for me but not for thee"
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We're literally witnessing early stage fascism.
If this is early stage, then allowing this chicanery to go on any longer is to knowingly be placing people in harm's way.
Why punish the organizer because one of the supporters of the protest gets a bit rowdy. Doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
That's the problem, it doesn't need to make sense for Republican authoritarians to demand it be implemented and enforced
Its easily abused too. As Mike touches on, saboteurs and the like.
And we have facilities like "cop city" training cops on how to deal with urban protest environments.
It's not supposed to make sense. After all, the government has historically planted undercover agents into civil rights protests & engaged in violent behavior to make the cause look bad.
Its meant to be a loophole to take away our free speech. If we organize protests for things they dont like, all they have to do is plant an undercover agent in the crowd, break a window or something, and the organizer can be arrested.
Just like Trump and January 6th?
Because they want to discourage people from organizing protests
I dont do social media much especially not politics on Facebook with family and friends (Conservative community). But I actually did post about all of this morning. Because free speech is not a partisan issue.
I'm sure the comments are filled with ignorance and hate by now.
I notice. It is going on and diminishing my world constantly. So much is gone already that as more rights are strangled we just become stifled and threatened by laws that prevent us from self defense.
You can appeal to fascists using hypocrisy. They know. They don’t care. They will openly and without embarrassment say, my side can do it. Your side can’t. It’s all about power. Who has it and who doesn’t.
"Riots are the voice of the unheard" - Dr. and Reverend Martin Luther King
I am disturbed by privacy rights being taken away.
This is literally outrageous I remember learning about early day protests with labor unions and thinking it was so cool to stand up for what you believe in, FROM MY HISTORY BOOKS! Like things we learned in classes are now being stripped as a right 🤨 WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK! Also one of the only time I thought history was kick ass tbh.
The early American labor struggles were far bloodier than is often taught, a massive reason the name "pinkerton" has such a foul reception to those who know the history of early labor struggles from corporate power.
We seemingly are slipping back to them "good ole days" I foresee a violent outbreak at some point, question is what faction?
Just never surrender arms, you'll be thankful you didn't. "Any and all attempts to disarm the working class must be frustrated, by force if necessary." -Karl Marx
@@ToxicAudri Hell, the civil rights movement resulted in a lot of bloodshed from government persecution, and most of that is swept under the rug as well. They want to bring back the days of literally getting in shoot outs with the cops so they can just demonize any left wing movement as terrorists. That's what cop city and similar projects popping up all over the country are training for. You just know COINTELPRO is also in full swing in these pro Palestine protests.
C'mon, Mike, you know the answer. They only care about your free speech if you're agreeing with them.
The Supreme Court refused to hear it because then they'd have to overturn it.
So does that mean trump can be sued for organizing January 6?
Absolutists: “Free speech for me, and none for thee.”
It's par for the course when you consider that they killed wildcat strikes under similar form of reasoning.
If McKesson can be charged, then it's a slam dunk for Trump and Jan 6th.
I feel they did this so then they could send in a undercover cop to do something then arrest everyone
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Unquestionably
💯
Well, how about organizing a major protest in front of the Supreme Court building because of this?
I think the problem is not that these protests have gone too far, but rather how far do people have to get to reach their messages out and enact real change.
I notice but wtf can we do about it, I got treated like shit as a trans guy. I understand what's happening, tried to do something about it, still trying but I have no power at all. None.
There is only one thing you hold power over, and that is to go out and vote and support progressive candidates all across the board, and hope others will do the same...
@@jeffafa3096 It's not enough, they haven't done shit to stop the vitriol and misinformation.
Tom cotton should be censured! The guy that wore an IDF uniform in the halls of Congress should be censured! The congressmen that partook and aided a coup should be censured!
Does this mean that people can now sue the police chief or similar for the actions of one cop? They are the one organising the cops so they have to bare responsibility for the few bad apples.
'even though tricksters make the law, justice is served by Fang and Claw!"
Is America even a democracy?
Nope, since trump held office, he put America into a backsliding democracy, and continue to slide it does
No
so, the organizers of jan 6th are going to get sued, right.....?
Thank you Mike 👍🙂
Dutch parliament also passed a resolution condemning the From the river to the see-slogan.
Threats aren't free speech.
Can we talk about how this echoes Reagan and the GOP about protests and resulted in Kent State?
The Supreme Court not taking up the case was alone the action that allowed the case to stand. The Supreme Court is capable of summary reversal of any appealed civil Court of Appeals ruling. However what happened here is that they neither took up the case, nor remanded it with instructions, nor summarily reversed it.
Bingo, their inaction is in itself an action. However this does leave the door for reversal open, as it does the door to codify it as law equally open.
Razors edge really.
That video was an absolute banger. You hit home on an extremely important subject. Awesome work. Thank you.
brilliant presentation, thank-you
Though this ruling goes to far the First Amendment says we have a right to “peaceably assemble” meaning those who commit crimes at protests should be criminally charged. Unless the organizers encouraged such crime no they should not be charged or held responsible.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
That just means they send in an undercover cop to start some s***
@@angelainamarie9656Bingo. Aka "umbrella man" that appeared before the BLM riots started.
And they are being eroded on behalf of a foreign country named Israel.
1:02 to give the frog some credit it was lobotomized
Great video!
3:01 He actually didn't organize, he was just there showing support and participating. He was just on MSNBC explaining that. VOTE BLUE 💙💙💙🙏💙💙
Wtf Ro kana is one of the biggest let downs in recent years. He embraced the full viper mode.
Did he ever give you the impression that he was a real progressive?
Wonder where Tom Cotton's family made their money back on the day 🤔🤔🤔
Palestinians suffering through this deserve absolute compassion and support, not ridicule like this.
I hope they get all the support and encouragement they possibly can have while staying safe.
Innocent Palestinians deserve compassion, just like every other innocent citizen regardless of how different they may be.
Judge by the content of their character, and not by where they originated from.
The frogs need to wake up! The pot has been simmering for years now. They've been saying what they wanted to do, but we didn't listen. Now, we have to fight to get back rights.
Thank you, Mike!
Ps. Would still support a Binder/Figerado ticket! 💜✊
Years? Decades. Three things: "The Southern Strategy" keeping racism alive. "Reaganomics" destroying the Middle Class and Organized Labor. "The Powell Memo" replacing the Liberal Arts Education that gives basic critical thinking skills with job training.
@@nsbd90nowSomeone knows their shiznit.
@@ToxicAudri Much credit to the likes of Chris Hedges.
@@nsbd90now 🎯
My consistency with Free Speech is we DON'T allow everything and anything unhindered or unpunished. Using the right to speak freely to demand the other rights of others gets shafted is a massive no-no to me, and I feel we can and should be pragmatic and prudent about that. All "absolutism" gets us is the mess we keep dealing with here where as soon as the people that DO get in power calling for removing the rights of others end up doing _exactly_ that. Let's not forget that the Leopards eat a LOT of people's faces, not just the ones we point and laugh to (deservedly) when they come to bite theirs.
The solutions to these problems will not come from the people and systems that caused these problems in the first place. Everyone in the American government is complicit in genocide and all that, because they accept uncritically that the rules of the political game as more important than justice. The purpose of a system is what it does; and this system constantly reproduces suffering and authoritarianism, even when things are good (just at a slower pace). Wake up from the game, and see the big picture.
If the university is so afraid of safety, then they should have security guards there when she speaks, like when Milo Yiannopoulos spoke in universities.
"From the river to the sea will be Israeli sovereignty" =1977 Likud Party campaign slogan
Remember Kent State
Its cool when other people get to decide what you mean.. Even after you tell them that is not the case.
I think it's about time to leave the southern states and see how long it takes for the states to start losing money if there not much people buying products and stuff from those states.
People don't notice because they're not paying attention
I have, been saying since "cop city" A whole urban training facility? now what could that possibly be used for hmmm? 🤔 May haps to train police on how to disrupt and coordinate to deal with protestors, and even possibly against revolutionaries acting against a tyrannical government run amok. Every capital I know is an urban environment.
Excellent mic drop moment at the end there 🎤 (Mike drop?)
WASF.
But they thought it good to hear an absolute immunity case for a single individual.
Pretty sure I just saw a clip where he was on there being interviewed and he made it clear, He did not organize the protest.
Fifth Column Court
This is even more fucked up than getting sued cuz your dog bites a mofo who breaks into your house.
Theoretically you could do a word of mouth protest through burner accounts and what have you so that there is not one single organizing person or group. Either way this is horrible.
They'll just mass arrest people and press charges at that point. Remember that the participants in the cop city protests almost faced RICO charges. They'll bring that tactic back in your scenario. That would essentially make all protesting illegal in one fell swoop.
I 100% believe in free speech and I think this entire anti-protest movement to be wholly anti-democratic. Though, I will also say that I think the act of protest itself is rather outdated and perhaps not nearly as effective as we think in this day and age.
Back in the day, I suppose large protests were truly the only way to really raise awareness to different issues. And I guarantee that they likely helped make changes due to that heightened awareness. But I wonder if we have any statistics to support the effectiveness of protests in the modern day.
I think protests at their core are started and largely attended by those who care for and support a particular issue. However, the larger the issue, the more the protests are also used by people who wouldn’t otherwise give two craps about those issues and instead use the protests as opportunities to just be stupid and a cover to do stupid, unproductive things.
I honestly don’t feel protests have moved anyone the protests were against to change their positions, causing them to say, "golly, I didn’t know y’all all felt this way."
Of course, I could be wrong.
At the end of the day, I support the right to peacefully protest, but I also feel it is generally a waste of time and often attracts the wrong people to come along and derail the effort, often out of sheer foolishness if not absolute maliciousness.
This decision, erroneous as it is, is binding ONLY in the 5th circuit Court of Appeals. We have not heard the last of this issue.
Legal question: can each protest be incorporated so that only the assets of the corporation are liable?
I wonder Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson and Russell Brand etc. are perfectly fine with these laws?
The far-right, fake populists and libertarians like Tucker Carlson don't, but Russell Brand particularly shouldn't be so quiet. I can also bet Saagar and Krystal Ball wouldn't care either or defend it because they think protests from the "far left" are just riots.
Seems to me a lot of the trial runs for these kind of laws came out of the pipeline protests.
so a protest organizer can now be liable for any disruptive/violent stranger at a given protest, but stochastic terrorists aren't liable for their rhetoric/platform even when they're cited in manifesto?
make this make sense
Protesters will still risk it. I do feel counter protests are incediary and dangerous though.
This SCOTUS is really going to fuck us all.
The single biggest problem I can see is that despite the solutions being obvious, and having historical precedent, they are strictly against both terms of service on any given platform, but also often against the law itself. And for most normal americans (i.e. protofascists) legality IS morality, with absolutely no distinctions. Theres no way out of this, we're just going to watch the broader american public embrace violent authoritarianism to cope with the terrifying results of climate change and our inevitable decay into poverty for everyone but the few. The only way out of it is illegal for me to even talk about. GG, no re.
Newtons law 3rd of motion. For every action there is an equal or opposite reaction.
There will be a breaking point eventually. Cultural shifts can occur quite quickly. Though I'm not sure if I'm willing to live in this country long enough to see it. Canada is considering opening up its borders to asylum seekers if America keeps going down it's current path. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering it.
@@LilChuunosuke Same here, I have a cousin who lives there already with her natural born Canadian husband and their daughter. Give me an awfully convenient excuse to pop in and say hello.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
So does that first case mean that Trump can be sued for what happened on January 6th?
McKesson rule: Isn't that exactly what trump did? Notice how both rulings came after black protests. Things that make u go hmmmmmm.
The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Yeah... that's from a fictional science-fiction movie. Not reality.
@@TheRatsintheWalls No, it does not. Try reading something real, like existential philosophy. Existence is not a popular movie.
FISA is not a warrant less for American citizens. If they want to listen in on is citizens they must get a warrant from the fisa court. Foreign nationals are not protected from warrant less wire taps. Read the actual law.
8:05 Ya what’s so bugged out about Congress making “🎶From sea to shining sea🎵” classified as hate speech?
🤔…or wait, was it “River to sea”? 🤷🏻♂️😏
True 🐸
All for Israel…
Government is the problem. You get to “vote” for your rulers but you’re still ruled. Actual freedom is better.
If they receive state funding, it should be a Free Speech issue IMO.
On the mass protest ban I would argue that left-wing aligned legal departments go ahead and use it on the Far-Right protests. After all the standard that the Fifth Circt is going is "any disruption makes the protest illigeal." then well come on do you really think the Far-Right are just asking nicely for non-whites to leave.
Fighting fire with fire is very risky, I would never with liberal "allies" at the helm. That's a dangerous amount of power to weild. Something thats 2A worthy.
It isnt just non whites. It is women who are also educated demanding equal rights for all. They hate anyone not white or trad.
@@ToxicAudri Risky sure but I am personally in the camp of "screw the law." myself. It's also more to force the conservitives to either expose their hypocracy or go "crap we didn't think you would call our bluff." the bluff being the liberials are too chicken to play outside the "democratic order." they love so much
What would be the distinction between a mass protest and several smaller protests who happen to be near each other? Or several protests for different things that members of the other protests also support?
So can Ali Alexander get chared for January 6th now
Wouldn't this backfire on trump for Jan 6 charges?
This is legit terrifying...