Nice video , very educative. I am watching this video because people have mistaken my daughter, my brother and myself for Australian, New Zealanders and even South African! More than once this has happened and we are from North West London, which my brother explained to me is an accent which is getting lost nowadays, and we are rare! Talking about the North London accent , surely it would be the other way round ; the Essex accent has been affected by the North London accent? If you bear in mind the spill over and general population flow of Londoners is, with each generation, one step further away from the centre of London. Thanks for everything John. 🙂
I grew up in North London (Tottenham/Edmonton) in the 90s around a bunch of cockneys but also lots of different cultures. As a result my accent is this blend of pretty much everything you described. This accent is probably best represented by artists such as Wiley and Dizzee Rascal. My sisters accent (10 years younger) tends towards MLE more than mine which makes sense.
Interesting take. As SE londoner with one parental line from the east end, i get some of what you say. Two things about SE london accent: a lot of east enders were relocated here after the war, which had a big impact, and 2, the East Kent accent: all my family has my move to east Kent and I have to say that it is a unique accent which, once you get your head into it, you realize is what makes the SE london accent so unique from the rest of london
Spot on. Very interesting. Geographical accents in London are fascinating including the South East London accent (New Cross / Blackheath) which is very distinctive, I can't describe it apart from saying its higher pitched and somehow clearer but still with the glottal stop.😆
...and dahnt ferget propah Banglish wot is spoken by the Traders on markits in Newum and Taaaher amlets. Cockney mixed up with Bengali and Urdu. Amazing!
I was born in Leytonstone and lived in London until I was 28, when I moved to Gloucestershire. Looking as a sort of outsider, I believe you can define the differences by drawing a line between the areas you show. I regularly return to Leytonstone and I hear various accents from posh, RP and cockney…ish.
With the MLE accent sometimes people use the word “man” as first person pronoun in place of “I” ( or gyal if a girl!) you also generally drop out the word “the” as well. You also use the surfix “dem” to pluralise a noun. The confusing bit is that sometimes it’s in place of an “s” and sometimes it’s as well as an “s” not sure if there is a rule to this?! Cool accent though 🙂
I loved this! I was born within the sound of Bow Bells (cockney, grew up in Middlesex (Greater London - West) and speak RP. It's the first time I have heard the explanation for me saying 'BARTH' or 'CARSTLE'. Thanks for that!
Nicely done. Although I know now after watching the video (N. London / Essex), I've been wondering for years where the accent from Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" came from. Thanks.
Not at all. They have multicultural London English accents. There aren’t many young black people with cockney accents, it’s been like that for 20 odd years
@@nickyjlyons go listen to Wiley in an interview ofc there’s some MLE but these guys are around 40-45 years old, they have that classic Bow Bells accent
How about the posher north London accents? People from Hampstead/Primrose Hill/Highgate etc don’t sound like they’re from Essex but the accent isn’t quite RP sounding like West London. I have this accent but have never been able to pinpoint it
But true for every part of London, probably most people in Essex don’t have an Essex accent, though north east London is close to Essex, for example Chingford and Woodford
I’m French and lived in the UK between 1997 and 2000. During that time, I sold on behalf of a British charity at people’s doorsteps, so I encountered a wide variety of accents. (Don’t worry, I wasn’t flogging anything! 😉) I did lose a bit of my accent, but I’m still quite British for a Frenchman!
I like that someone finally acknowledges there’s a difference between Essex and cockney, not to mention various other accents in London. Think it must be pointed out these are generalised though and ofc it’s a melting pot. Eg when I moved to different sides of London I didn’t begin to ‘talk differently’ 😂
They're not if you live here. I'm from south London and sound nothing like a Cockney or someone from Essex, or the working-class south London accent described in this video.
I'm from Hounslow, and I do not agree with the influence of RP. The way to pronounce Hounslow would be 'Ahnslaahr or 'AOwnslow - depending whether you were Brentford or Heathrow side.
Hounslow is pronounced differently depending on the person, he points out generalities- ie saying west London is traditionally the wealthiest area - when north London has equally traditionally wealthy areas to west London, there’s a range of accents. Absolutely many in Hounslow don’t have RP 😂
I have a question! in portraying a well spoken, rich, privileged person from Yorkshire, would he still have a Yorkshire dialect? How strong would it be? Keep in mind he is from the Edwardian era!
It would be RP or posh English with hints of Yorkshire coming through. When you grow up surrounded by a regional accent, it influence you, even if your own family aren’t speaking it.
I am just a friggin' giant mix. My general London accent rules: Got a H at the start? No it doesn't. Got a T in the middle? No it doesn't. Got a G on the -ing end? No it doesn't. 'anin' the 'at on the 'ook is easier without the bo'le of wa'er in you 'ands. Bonus points if TH in the middle is replaced with a V sound and the ER and the end sounds more like an A.
Essex English: 'ain't' and 'we was.' I thought it was a migrated East End accent (from the post-WW2 'new towns' > Harlow, Brentford etc.). There's also an 'old' Essex accent, almost extinct, which tends to be very burry or rhotic and is only spoken by old farmers (Suffolk is similar, with burry patois old farmer accent which no-one can understand).
@@BritishNativeSpeaker hi there ! I’ve always been able to understand people from England , and vice versa . Do you agree that our accent originated because of the English settlers ? Like caaahh instead of car for example.
@@BritishNativeSpeaker Thank you! I’m going to write a book that has a character from London. I don’t want to write anything stereotypical, but I also want to be realistic so these videos are helpful.
German??? I have never met anyone who knows a German in my 17 years of living In London. Matter of fact in my first 4 years, living on the border of Germany I never knew of any Germans. Or French? What French man live in London bro
This is for advanced English speakers only you are a beginner so you have to start off with basic standard English before you start learning London English
You can’t learn the cockney sarf London accent you’re born into it through parents schooling etc. it a unique way of talking - it’s just rolls off the tongue
Is it an actual accent where people have 'r' sounds that subtlety sound like 'w' sounds? I heard someone talk like this and I recognized she was English but her speech reminded me or Peter Cook's very exaggerated accent as the "Impressive clergyman" the way he says "Marriage .... is what brings is together.... in holy matrimony". Is this an affected way of talking a speech impediment or actual accent. I didn't want to embarrasse this lady.
Yes it's more of an articulation disorder called rhotacism. Thanks for the comment, I'm going to work at Radley College soon where Peter Cook was a former pupil btw! He was certainly brilliant at manipulating words and sounds.
As a white man, my accent is cockney, more precise to say, it's the accent of white working class people from south London. To us, this accent is not outdated or dying out, it's just very rare in London nowadays. London now is in my opinion, too diverse and this leads to no community. Thankfully this isn't the case in our home counties.
Seems to me that f instead of th is common to just about every part of the country. It's a sign of laziness and degeneracy and symbolises everyfing this once-great country has become. The dropped h is heard almost everywhere too.
I mean, it can be. Or it's just the way they've heard other people talking and, much like the personality traits, mortals, or quirks of those greatly loved around someone, have slowly started to subconsciously intergrade it into their own mannerisms. Can just be as simple as speech impediments, hearing issues, or mixing the sounds, too. Bit harsh, man.
I feel like there's some class snobbery at play there. If the rich/upper class were to do it, it'd be seen as optimizing or efficiency, but if poor/working class folks do it, it's because of laziness or some degeneracy.
Nice video , very educative. I am watching this video because people have mistaken my daughter, my brother and myself for Australian, New Zealanders and even South African! More than once this has happened and we are from North West London, which my brother explained to me is an accent which is getting lost nowadays, and we are rare! Talking about the North London accent , surely it would be the other way round ; the Essex accent has been affected by the North London accent? If you bear in mind the spill over and general population flow of Londoners is, with each generation, one step further away from the centre of London. Thanks for everything John. 🙂
Interesting comment, thanks!
That's amazing 🎉
Hope I could hear it
Do you have UA-cam, btw?
im from new zealand and we dont say together like the guy in the video said it.
I grew up in North London (Tottenham/Edmonton) in the 90s around a bunch of cockneys but also lots of different cultures. As a result my accent is this blend of pretty much everything you described. This accent is probably best represented by artists such as Wiley and Dizzee Rascal. My sisters accent (10 years younger) tends towards MLE more than mine which makes sense.
Interesting take. As SE londoner with one parental line from the east end, i get some of what you say. Two things about SE london accent: a lot of east enders were relocated here after the war, which had a big impact, and 2, the East Kent accent: all my family has my move to east Kent and I have to say that it is a unique accent which, once you get your head into it, you realize is what makes the SE london accent so unique from the rest of london
Interesting. Cheers.
Spot on. Very interesting. Geographical accents in London are fascinating including the South East London accent (New Cross / Blackheath) which is very distinctive, I can't describe it apart from saying its higher pitched and somehow clearer but still with the glottal stop.😆
Cheers for the insight. Good to know.
...and dahnt ferget propah Banglish wot is spoken by the Traders on markits in Newum and Taaaher amlets. Cockney mixed up with Bengali and Urdu. Amazing!
Very nasal too
Love the Tower ‘Amlets spoken in a perfect Dorset accent
Taaaaahr Amlits
@@CIMAmotorYeah, wasn’t he supposed to tell us what that means?
@@MattScottMusic It's a borough in the East End of London.
I was born in Leytonstone and lived in London until I was 28, when I moved to Gloucestershire. Looking as a sort of outsider, I believe you can define the differences by drawing a line between the areas you show. I regularly return to Leytonstone and I hear various accents from posh, RP and cockney…ish.
Ok. Fair enough.
With the MLE accent sometimes people use the word “man” as first person pronoun in place of “I” ( or gyal if a girl!) you also generally drop out the word “the” as well. You also use the surfix “dem” to pluralise a noun. The confusing bit is that sometimes it’s in place of an “s” and sometimes it’s as well as an “s” not sure if there is a rule to this?! Cool accent though 🙂
This grammar structure comes straight from Jamaican patois, which has had a major influence on MLE- MLE is much more than simply an accent
I loved this! I was born within the sound of Bow Bells (cockney, grew up in Middlesex (Greater London - West) and speak RP. It's the first time I have heard the explanation for me saying 'BARTH' or 'CARSTLE'. Thanks for that!
Yes, got to have a barth in a castle!
East London / Essex - nailed it!
Nicely done. Although I know now after watching the video (N. London / Essex), I've been wondering for years where the accent from Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" came from. Thanks.
Even the black bruddas from east sound cockney.
Wiley, Dizzee rascal, Crazy Titch are good examples of artists with this bow accent
No they don't.
Not at all. They have multicultural London English accents. There aren’t many young black people with cockney accents, it’s been like that for 20 odd years
@nickyjlyons true
Nah they sound mle outer regions of London it’s cockney sounding but London proper is mle
@@nickyjlyons go listen to Wiley in an interview ofc there’s some MLE but these guys are around 40-45 years old, they have that classic Bow Bells accent
How about the posher north London accents? People from Hampstead/Primrose Hill/Highgate etc don’t sound like they’re from Essex but the accent isn’t quite RP sounding like West London. I have this accent but have never been able to pinpoint it
Possibly something like educated Estuary as I like to call it
Funnily enough, there is a castle in Hackney (borough) (well it looks like one) Next to Clissold park. Great video, thanks 😊
It was a water station, I think. It’s a climbing centre now.
even though im from north east london essex i have a very west london accent (the posh one) but my sister has a mix of the cockney and essex accent(s)
Cheers for the comment
But true for every part of London, probably most people in Essex don’t have an Essex accent, though north east London is close to Essex, for example Chingford and Woodford
Sure
I’m French and lived in the UK between 1997 and 2000. During that time, I sold on behalf of a British charity at people’s doorsteps, so I encountered a wide variety of accents. (Don’t worry, I wasn’t flogging anything! 😉) I did lose a bit of my accent, but I’m still quite British for a Frenchman!
Flogging lol
Ah. I finally understand what a North London accent is.
Cool.
Most interesting! Thank you for sharing.
You could always move to Elephant and Castle?
I would also say London has a general south east england accent and also Estuary
Yes you are right so I included them on my new video 'h dropping in 4 London accents'. Thanks.
Oh! That's the reason why different UK language teachers speak differently . Thanks Sir. Take Care please
Thanks! You too
I like that someone finally acknowledges there’s a difference between Essex and cockney, not to mention various other accents in London. Think it must be pointed out these are generalised though and ofc it’s a melting pot. Eg when I moved to different sides of London I didn’t begin to ‘talk differently’ 😂
Yes people use Cockney as a blanket term for the working class London accent. E.g. Kathy Burke is from Islington but is always called a Cockney!
I can't see much difference between Essex, Cockney and Saaf Landan tbh. They seem very similar and mixed up.
That's because they are.
Not really if you live here 😂
They're not if you live here. I'm from south London and sound nothing like a Cockney or someone from Essex, or the working-class south London accent described in this video.
@yogajaxx8299 how would you describe your accent?
@@BritishNativeSpeaker Modern RP mixed with a slight south London accent depending on the day :) but not in the way you describe in the video.
I'm from Hounslow, and I do not agree with the influence of RP. The way to pronounce Hounslow would be 'Ahnslaahr or 'AOwnslow - depending whether you were Brentford or Heathrow side.
Hounslow is pronounced differently depending on the person, he points out generalities- ie saying west London is traditionally the wealthiest area - when north London has equally traditionally wealthy areas to west London, there’s a range of accents. Absolutely many in Hounslow don’t have RP 😂
Fair enough
That makes sense coz Hounslow is a shit hole
@LessAiredvanU
Agree 100%. I'm West London born and bred (born in Paddington W2) and there is not a trace of RP in my accent.
@@trickysam04 st Marys
Also~ Go to New York City and YOU'LL HEAR the Native New York accent is very close to the South London Accent✅✅✅... That's where it orginates from.
Thanks for that
I have a mix of the Essex and Cockney accent
Fair enough
I have a question! in portraying a well spoken, rich, privileged person from Yorkshire, would he still have a Yorkshire dialect? How strong would it be? Keep in mind he is from the Edwardian era!
Private education. Children of aristocracy and wealthy landowners (even sheep farmers were wealthy at one time) @jorge
True enough
It would be RP or posh English with hints of Yorkshire coming through. When you grow up surrounded by a regional accent, it influence you, even if your own family aren’t speaking it.
Don’t forget about Estuary English.
ua-cam.com/video/GHkrCWg9_TE/v-deo.html already covered it
Yessss
I am just a friggin' giant mix.
My general London accent rules:
Got a H at the start? No it doesn't.
Got a T in the middle? No it doesn't.
Got a G on the -ing end? No it doesn't.
'anin' the 'at on the 'ook is easier without the bo'le of wa'er in you 'ands.
Bonus points if TH in the middle is replaced with a V sound and the ER and the end sounds more like an A.
Essex English: 'ain't' and 'we was.' I thought it was a migrated East End accent (from the post-WW2 'new towns' > Harlow, Brentford etc.). There's also an 'old' Essex accent, almost extinct, which tends to be very burry or rhotic and is only spoken by old farmers (Suffolk is similar, with burry patois old farmer accent which no-one can understand).
Indeed
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Boom!
Is this the American version of professional proper English and slang?
Do Cockneys change that l sound to a w before vowels by any chance?
Yes for example you could change pole to pow(l) or something to that effect
South London has a touch of west country about it.
Awesome ❤
And what accent do you speak in, John?
I speak SSBE of standard southern British English as I grew up about 30 miles south of Charing Cross (in Kent)
North East London as well
What accent do people in Sutton normally have?
Probably a south London twang to their accent
A sort of posh south London...
And my Boston accent was born ❤️
Hello Boston
@@BritishNativeSpeaker hi there ! I’ve always been able to understand people from England , and vice versa . Do you agree that our accent originated because of the English settlers ? Like caaahh instead of car for example.
Yes some of the accents in England sine people cannot pronounce their th ,s
What accent do you have? That seems like a weird question 😅 sorry I am just curious.
No, fair point! I speak SSBE or standard southern British English, which is the accent spoken across the south of England.
@@BritishNativeSpeaker Thank you! I’m going to write a book that has a character from London. I don’t want to write anything stereotypical, but I also want to be realistic so these videos are helpful.
Good luck!
One time watch isn't sufficient 😂
good, good!
Love Hyde park
Guess you would!
It should be hindu, polish, german, french, african and jamican accent if we talking about Londons accents :D
what’s a Hindu accent💀💀💀
@@siriuslybooked You call it "indian" maybe. But indian also means completly diferent ppl. So Hindu is more precisious.
@@Ulthion You're on something, mate.
German??? I have never met anyone who knows a German in my 17 years of living In London. Matter of fact in my first 4 years, living on the border of Germany I never knew of any Germans. Or French? What French man live in London bro
@@pazthepole2814 And that information, that you never met say something more that you never met?
I don't know what part of London your visiting.
The London i hear, speaks more African and Arabic then any cockney Ive heard.
Cockney is traditionally associated with the East End though, right?
Maybe a good few years ago, unfortunately not now.
ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ ನಾನು ಭಾರತ ದೇಶದ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ರಾಜ್ಯದಿಂದ ಬಂದಿದ್ದೇನೆ ಮತ್ತು ನಾನು ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಭಾಷೆಯನ್ನು ಕಲಿಯಲು ಇಚ್ಚಿಸಿದ್ದೇನೆ! ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ನೀವು ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಸಹಕರಿಸಿ 🙏
Ay de gha mi soo
This is for advanced English speakers only you are a beginner so you have to start off with basic standard English before you start learning London English
Tower Hamlets
You can’t learn the cockney sarf London accent you’re born into it through parents schooling etc. it a unique way of talking - it’s just rolls off the tongue
Fair enough
Tower rumbles
Innit tho’?
Right...
where do you live
So you live in a castle with no fixed abode.
Ha ha yes of course
I think your accent is north London.
nah, not from norf London, me.
Is it an actual accent where people have 'r' sounds that subtlety sound like 'w' sounds? I heard someone talk like this and I recognized she was English but her speech reminded me or Peter Cook's very exaggerated accent as the "Impressive clergyman" the way he says "Marriage .... is what brings is together.... in holy matrimony". Is this an affected way of talking a speech impediment or actual accent. I didn't want to embarrasse this lady.
Yes it's more of an articulation disorder called rhotacism. Thanks for the comment, I'm going to work at Radley College soon where Peter Cook was a former pupil btw! He was certainly brilliant at manipulating words and sounds.
I am not sure this is entirely a disorder. Its very hard to imagine a Scottish or Cornish person pronouncing marriage as mawiage
yaass da'y - this is my polish accent, guess what i am sayinn mon
Where are from in Poland?
is it yes darling?
You won't find any English accents in London. Every other accent but not English 😢
Don’t they talk funny.
These accents are a dying language, soon never to be heard 😢
We'll see
As a white man, my accent is cockney, more precise to say, it's the accent of white working class people from south London. To us, this accent is not outdated or dying out, it's just very rare in London nowadays. London now is in my opinion, too diverse and this leads to no community. Thankfully this isn't the case in our home counties.
Who cares unless its tommy robinson
@@OnTheHighEnd It's not a question of caring, it's just an observation. What's Tommy Robinson got to do with what I just said?
I''m non white in london and we put on a Cockney accent because its funny
@@Adwoa_100 well i am white and we talk with the cockney accent because that's how we are
MLE makes people sound like Ali G, in other words it makes them sound stupid.
Seems to me that f instead of th is common to just about every part of the country. It's a sign of laziness and degeneracy and symbolises everyfing this once-great country has become. The dropped h is heard almost everywhere too.
Fair enough
That's pretty insulting. People get their accents from the society they grow up in. It's not laziness.
I mean, it can be. Or it's just the way they've heard other people talking and, much like the personality traits, mortals, or quirks of those greatly loved around someone, have slowly started to subconsciously intergrade it into their own mannerisms. Can just be as simple as speech impediments, hearing issues, or mixing the sounds, too. Bit harsh, man.
I feel like there's some class snobbery at play there. If the rich/upper class were to do it, it'd be seen as optimizing or efficiency, but if poor/working class folks do it, it's because of laziness or some degeneracy.
It is well known that Yorkshire folk and West Country people spoke like " ladies and gentleman " until the 1960's... you muppet!
What about the road man accent that has sprung up over the last 20 years
thats just Multicultural london english or just more broadly multicultural british english
That’s north
i love ssbe rp from India
greetings!