fireb0rn not knowing you could kill the spitty plant things in greenpath because he just avoids them in speedruns is like a billionaire not knowing the average price of a loaf of bread
killing those guys by reflecting their projectiles is literally the intended way to beat them. it's honestly more impressive that you never figured that out
I'm also slightly mindboggled that fireborn of all people didn't know this. It's like the moment when I told my boss who is a legit genius about a function in some software that he had no idea about
It took me a while to figure out how the Journal rando works, but for me it pretty much revolutionized the whole game for me. There is finally an incentive to kill enemies (other than grinding for geo). There's so many checks you're pretty much never going to find yourself hunting for that last lore tablet you forgot about; so many to the point where you almost wish you won't get movement progression early because it's easy to get overwhelmed. And there's also the opportunity of getting a really long run by channelling your inner Skurry and having to Attune the whole Hall of Gods for a progression check. You know, fun!
"Even I'm not that dumb" at 2:10 had me laughing out loud. Also I'm certain this is something we'll see in the next few months before the release of Silksong as fire gets more and more desperate for new gameplay.
@@OriNyte I guess I shouldn't have said "again", since to the best of my knowledge the "within one year" commitment that comes due this summer is the first they've said of a timetable.
@@gamingcookiereal Yeah, I'm not expecting it to come soon, though they might or might not technically delay again depending on whether they commit to another release date.
I feel like you should have watched Scurry's video. They were originally planning to go with something semi-reasonable (I think either 30 or 40, I forget), but were talked into doing 69 for the memes, and suffered tremendously for their hubris. And you're surprised by how awful it is with even more curses than they had.
I love how there were so many conversations about 'Oh hey, The Shrumal Ogres have the Lumafly Lantern! We can farm those!" and then when a new lumafly lantern pops up at 14:27 there's no hesitation despite the now increased chance of it being fake (I don't know if the Hunter's Journal rewards have to be the actual item or can still be cursed) but I'm surprised chat didn't remember. Either way, it's exactly what I expected from this kind of chaos
This looks like it would drive anyone insane before they could finish it, holy shit. Randomizers can already be a bit frustrating but when there's so many curses everywhere disguised as normal items and they all suck so much to get and make everything even harder?? I'm impressed you finished this lmao.
i didnt understand at first why the screen looked like that when you were visiting grubfather, until i realized you were literally changing the scene to hide the game so we wouldn't see the grubs lmaoooo. your determination to hate grubs is admirable.
I recently did a vanilla run that was a ton of fun for me and brought a fair amount of challenge back to the game. I did max% with no dash, no spell or nail upgrades, no health or soul upgrades. The only things that I was unable to do at my skill level was Pantheon 2 and 3, but there were several events that I was able to do after a few tries, including Colo 3 and Pantheon 1 that were a huge challenge! It also forced me to learn a couple fireball skips that were necessary but I'd never tried before. Shamelessly inspired by Glimmering Realm, my favorite non-rando mod.
You and Skurry got the most cursed runs with this... mine ended up giving me insanely good luck and I beat it in under an hour. I run randomizers all the time and have never gotten that good luck before.
Seeing this for the first time halfway through my first cursed randomizer. Left CDash was locked behind killing a Kingsmould for the first time and right slash was locked behind the lore tablet in White Palace.
i found the reflecting thingy out because i watched a skurry hk bingo where he had to reflect projectiles and shoot them back at the creature they came from
Good god. This was hard to watch as an edited vod, this must have been so much worse in person. I'm sorry you had to do this, but your suffering was beautiful to watch.
I feel like curse runs need some way to not front-load all the easily accessible checks with curses, since that's always what happens and it MASSIVELY slows down everything else. That, and a lot of these permanent curses seem like they wouldn't be at all fun to deal with permanently, though I suppose that's down to personal -masochism- preference.
I'm not a speedrunner, but I can't imagine trying without already knowing everything about the game. Such as how to defeat every enemy. Even the ones I run past in a speed run. But I guess I see people speedrunning new games well before they can thoroughly learn the whole game.
It feels like there should be a curse that increases the number of curses by 1, or one that gives a chance that any charm (or any non-essential items) picked up will be useless
Hunter's Journal rando. What can possibly go wrong? I can't wait, lol. fireb0rn: I turned on killing enemies giving abilities, that could take eternity for some of them, especially with eng-game locations like Kingdom's Edge. But I turned off Grimmkin Flame, because these are tedious. I mean, I totally get it and I agree, but that sounds funny in context of what cursed rando You are doing. Room rando, lmao. That would be even more cursed, lol. Also Your Hollow Knight vids starts reminding me of Minecraft. Why? Because in the golden age of that great game, people often used mods and mod packs, which made their gameplay unique to their. And You are *not* just doing cursed Hunter's Journal, but also keep Your other mods and settings on, which kinda makes this game unique to You and You only. Exactly like Minecraft mods in old UA-cam videos. That's the same vibe to me. Personalizing the game to Your liking. Lmao. Fire learns that he can deflect projectiles from Gulkas (these enemies in green Path that spits on You). Tbh, I didn't knew that at first myself. But I really got it quickly. I were also killing them with spells first. This Hunter's Journal rando is definitely something with the curses on. You killed the Fool Eater… and got the Pain curse. And that "Fool" text fits well, lol. It definitely *is* a FOOL Eater… IMO Omen is too cursed. You are already downgraded much and every time You take a hit, You are getting more and more downgrades. And the game is getting harder too, because of Cursed Crossroads, areas with worse enemies and so on. Imagine getting Omen with 20 enemies to kill and getting hit like 4-5 times due to being underpowered by, let's say, Darkness, lower Nail damage, less spells, charms… that's really too much IMO. It's interesting, but it's too cursed. Oh God. And this really happened. I said that the Omen is broken… At least it *was* dreamer…
i have a question. something like curses, which adds pickups, do they replace items or how does it manage being more pickups than it would normally be?
there’s an option in the rando settings for the curses to either replace items or be added to the item pool iirc. if you’re adding them to the pool, i know that the rando adds duplicate geo rocks if you have geo rock checks enabled, but otherwise idk for sure how it deals with extra pickups. my guess has always been it’ll add extra checks to shops/grubfather/seer/etc.
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13:34 “Amnesia? Wait, what does that one do?” Is unintentional peak humor and I’m here for it
fireb0rn not knowing you could kill the spitty plant things in greenpath because he just avoids them in speedruns is like a billionaire not knowing the average price of a loaf of bread
But I'm poor and I don't know the average price of bread? I just look at the cheapest one that isn't potato bread
@@jacobkerner2593 But potato bread is tasty
@@Fool408ya, but I don't like it for sandwiches, only burgers and hotdogs
@@jacobkerner2593 That's interesting. To each their own
@@jacobkerner2593 then that would be dying to the plant thingies
Oh god I remember Skurry doing this. And now you’re adding curses to this?? Ohhh boy.
@@Zeforas them*
@@Zeforas skurry is not a he
@@1th_to_comment. Pretty sure they were talking about fire
I mean, it's only 6 more curses than they had in their curse randomizer. On the other hand, considering how rough they had it that's not saying much.
Both Fireborn and Skurry's first item was Xero entry
killing those guys by reflecting their projectiles is literally the intended way to beat them. it's honestly more impressive that you never figured that out
Bruh I thought you were just supposed to go nyoom
i never figured that out either
I'm also slightly mindboggled that fireborn of all people didn't know this. It's like the moment when I told my boss who is a legit genius about a function in some software that he had no idea about
@Xenobio weird flex but OK (messin with ya lol)
@dazcar2203 Well he didn't know that stags had dialogue so...
I think the most terrifying part of the Journal Randomizer is that it means it's possible for Void Idol to be required.
The mod gives you options to decide if you want stuff like the void idol entries or the weathered mask to be included as checks
This ACTUALLY happened when Skurry did the journal rando, King's Brand was behind Void Idol Lv.2
**Get void idol level three to get the mantis claw.**
"I didn't add that many curses," he says after picking up his 23rd curse
It took me a while to figure out how the Journal rando works, but for me it pretty much revolutionized the whole game for me. There is finally an incentive to kill enemies (other than grinding for geo). There's so many checks you're pretty much never going to find yourself hunting for that last lore tablet you forgot about; so many to the point where you almost wish you won't get movement progression early because it's easy to get overwhelmed.
And there's also the opportunity of getting a really long run by channelling your inner Skurry and having to Attune the whole Hall of Gods for a progression check. You know, fun!
2:17 I was gonna say, "You'll do it eventually," but I think the reality is that Skurry is gonna be the one to do a Room + Journal + Curse randomizer.
+ Bingo
+low
@MonishRules how the hell do you do low percent in a randomizer without spoiling the entire thing?
Yeah, Fire's thing is usually more explicit difficulty mods, where Skurry does a lot of not pure challenge mods but with the most awful settings.
@@monishrules6580 & knuckles
Damn, that really is cursed
Speedrunner: casually enters another room with some stuff lying on a floor
Some stuff lying on a floor: *F O O L*
"Even I'm not that dumb" at 2:10 had me laughing out loud. Also I'm certain this is something we'll see in the next few months before the release of Silksong as fire gets more and more desperate for new gameplay.
If it gets delayed again, we're going to see someone trying to do the exploding Uumuu skip from the first TAS in a real speedrun.
@@stevenneiman1554 Delayed again? did i miss something?
@@OriNyte I guess I shouldn't have said "again", since to the best of my knowledge the "within one year" commitment that comes due this summer is the first they've said of a timetable.
@@stevenneiman1554 just a matter of time now
@@gamingcookiereal Yeah, I'm not expecting it to come soon, though they might or might not technically delay again depending on whether they commit to another release date.
The MOST CURSED Hollow Knight randomizer mod:
"Silksong release date".
The title wasn't lying
there sure were a lot of Curses in this randomizer
I always think its funny when the game goes "youve taken the FOOL"
This is the randomizer of the month.
Fireb0rn if you see this, i think you should attempt any radiance 2.0
Yes
Agreed
5:10
I love his face just buffering at this moment
I thought i already watched all that this game had to offer, but after watching this video i changed my mind. Loved the video as always fire
I feel like you should have watched Scurry's video. They were originally planning to go with something semi-reasonable (I think either 30 or 40, I forget), but were talked into doing 69 for the memes, and suffered tremendously for their hubris. And you're surprised by how awful it is with even more curses than they had.
I love how there were so many conversations about 'Oh hey, The Shrumal Ogres have the Lumafly Lantern! We can farm those!" and then when a new lumafly lantern pops up at 14:27 there's no hesitation despite the now increased chance of it being fake (I don't know if the Hunter's Journal rewards have to be the actual item or can still be cursed) but I'm surprised chat didn't remember. Either way, it's exactly what I expected from this kind of chaos
Fire: oh, now I can buy a dreamer from Iselda
Randomizer: you're not just wrong, you're stupid.
8:44 You could tell thats a curse becuase it says youd get abyss shriek, but you didnt have wraiths yet, so its lying to you
This looks like it would drive anyone insane before they could finish it, holy shit.
Randomizers can already be a bit frustrating but when there's so many curses everywhere disguised as normal items and they all suck so much to get and make everything even harder?? I'm impressed you finished this lmao.
Every day without silksong makes Hollow Knigh community make even more cursed mods.
i didnt understand at first why the screen looked like that when you were visiting grubfather, until i realized you were literally changing the scene to hide the game so we wouldn't see the grubs lmaoooo. your determination to hate grubs is admirable.
34:30 , im pretty sure it does damage, but it applies after grimm leaves his bat form.
I recently did a vanilla run that was a ton of fun for me and brought a fair amount of challenge back to the game. I did max% with no dash, no spell or nail upgrades, no health or soul upgrades. The only things that I was unable to do at my skill level was Pantheon 2 and 3, but there were several events that I was able to do after a few tries, including Colo 3 and Pantheon 1 that were a huge challenge! It also forced me to learn a couple fireball skips that were necessary but I'd never tried before.
Shamelessly inspired by Glimmering Realm, my favorite non-rando mod.
This is truly the most cursed randomizer
At a point the amount of curses you got hurt me physically, you had to have gotten nearly every possible curse.
You and Skurry got the most cursed runs with this... mine ended up giving me insanely good luck and I beat it in under an hour. I run randomizers all the time and have never gotten that good luck before.
Seeing this for the first time halfway through my first cursed randomizer. Left CDash was locked behind killing a Kingsmould for the first time and right slash was locked behind the lore tablet in White Palace.
I fcking love your videos man, they just make me so happy. Anytime i watch your content is a good time for me, tysm god gamer
watching this made me physically stressed, these curses are rough man
i found the reflecting thingy out because i watched a skurry hk bingo where he had to reflect projectiles and shoot them back at the creature they came from
If you get strong enough, the honey becomes op and makes you pretty much invincible.
Keep doing what u do fire
Gotta love the mods getting more masochistic
new randomizer pog
Hollow night with the super mario world music in the background feels like a very very different game.
Funny, I was JUST thinking about how Journal Rando + Curses would be hilarious to watch.
Good to know I wasn't the only one. :)
The first three seconds really do sum up the entire video
I recently did this one, it was crazy fun but also sometimes annoying to unlock some things, just walking everywhere
Good god. This was hard to watch as an edited vod, this must have been so much worse in person. I'm sorry you had to do this, but your suffering was beautiful to watch.
The Jak and Daxter music got me nostalgic af, thank you editor
"Even I'm not that dumb." I'm bookmarking a timestamp for that.
just clip it
When he realized it was truly just him who didn’t know you could knock the seed ball things back into the plants… 😂
this is probably one of the most unforgiving ways to play hollow knight, I actually could not FATHOM doing it with random rooms as well, ggs!
This is one of my favorite fire videos
"i didnt add that many curses" isnt 75 like at least a third of all checks
defeat multiple radience just to get mothwing cloak 💀
I feel like curse runs need some way to not front-load all the easily accessible checks with curses, since that's always what happens and it MASSIVELY slows down everything else. That, and a lot of these permanent curses seem like they wouldn't be at all fun to deal with permanently, though I suppose that's down to personal -masochism- preference.
I did not know you can send the projectiles back to thise greenpath enemies... I think I have 200+ hours in Hollow Knight?
Watching this on April 1st feels extra appropriate for some reason!! 😅
*Oh no not again, a massacre is arriving at Hallownest*
Fire mabye something you could do in the future is speedrunner vs hunters for true ending
I can hear the Sonic Unleashed music in the background and makes it hard to focus.
Nostalgia T-T
26:46 I didn't know you can do that to the jellyfish wtf
It's okay fire. I also didn't know you could reflect those projectiles
4:29
I suddenly feel intelligent
5:05 true fool eater
I recognised that cave story music in the background for getting shade soul
I don't think you could have possibly gotten more unlucky
I'm not a speedrunner, but I can't imagine trying without already knowing everything about the game. Such as how to defeat every enemy. Even the ones I run past in a speed run. But I guess I see people speedrunning new games well before they can thoroughly learn the whole game.
they boutta make hollow knight 3d mod if silksong doesnt come out quick 😳💀
omg!! i was hoping you’d do this :D
Only that which a man truly loves can drive them to insanity...
It feels like there should be a curse that increases the number of curses by 1, or one that gives a chance that any charm (or any non-essential items) picked up will be useless
There is one that makes a random charm have no effect. Saw it on a youtube video of an mp rando.
No. He was already getting a depressing amount of curses. Adding those would just make this unfun.
35:05 Fireborn achieves enlightenment
Imagine journal randomizer + enemy randomiser
You should do a Hunter VS Speedrunner but your the Hunter
Welcome to pain and suffering
Imagine cursed vengeful spirit
it'd be funny if he kept playing for like 5 minutes and finds left claw
i like the use of sonic06 music
7:14 the one piece is real 🏴☠️
This was a really good video!
I recently finished a rando run that had both journal rando and lever rando.
Hunter's Journal rando. What can possibly go wrong? I can't wait, lol.
fireb0rn: I turned on killing enemies giving abilities, that could take eternity for some of them, especially with eng-game locations like Kingdom's Edge. But I turned off Grimmkin Flame, because these are tedious.
I mean, I totally get it and I agree, but that sounds funny in context of what cursed rando You are doing.
Room rando, lmao. That would be even more cursed, lol.
Also Your Hollow Knight vids starts reminding me of Minecraft. Why? Because in the golden age of that great game, people often used mods and mod packs, which made their gameplay unique to their. And You are *not* just doing cursed Hunter's Journal, but also keep Your other mods and settings on, which kinda makes this game unique to You and You only. Exactly like Minecraft mods in old UA-cam videos. That's the same vibe to me. Personalizing the game to Your liking.
Lmao. Fire learns that he can deflect projectiles from Gulkas (these enemies in green Path that spits on You).
Tbh, I didn't knew that at first myself. But I really got it quickly. I were also killing them with spells first.
This Hunter's Journal rando is definitely something with the curses on. You killed the Fool Eater… and got the Pain curse. And that "Fool" text fits well, lol. It definitely *is* a FOOL Eater…
IMO Omen is too cursed. You are already downgraded much and every time You take a hit, You are getting more and more downgrades. And the game is getting harder too, because of Cursed Crossroads, areas with worse enemies and so on. Imagine getting Omen with 20 enemies to kill and getting hit like 4-5 times due to being underpowered by, let's say, Darkness, lower Nail damage, less spells, charms… that's really too much IMO. It's interesting, but it's too cursed.
Oh God. And this really happened. I said that the Omen is broken… At least it *was* dreamer…
This looks insanely fun
So here's the question, what did the radiance give after beating it
Holy crap this was depressing to watch. I’m sorry man.
Someone needs to add in reverse curses to undo the permanent ones
4:44 i found out like a week ago, it’s okay.
on april fools make your profile picture zote
Look what silksong is doing to us
Pain.
Cool, but when's enemy + room + journal + curse rando?
Thing is, I'm apparently that dumb.
Imagine the radiance had left claw all along
This seems hellish
I'm not really too fond of the constant barrage of curses, it's kinda taking away from the journal randomizer
This sounds painful
Should have been called the bounty hunter mod
Yeah... What this tells me is that curses suck, and they're anti-fun.
what mod did he use for the health bar
A pacifists worst nightmare: this video
Absolute poggers
The is the definition of cursed
I'm curious how many locations there are to check?
Assuming you turn on all connections which add locations, it is about 1200+
i have a question. something like curses, which adds pickups, do they replace items or how does it manage being more pickups than it would normally be?
there’s an option in the rando settings for the curses to either replace items or be added to the item pool iirc. if you’re adding them to the pool, i know that the rando adds duplicate geo rocks if you have geo rock checks enabled, but otherwise idk for sure how it deals with extra pickups. my guess has always been it’ll add extra checks to shops/grubfather/seer/etc.