Deseret Book Now Supports The Pride Flag and Same-Sex Partners
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Deseret Book's Newly Produced Content Supporting the Pride Flag and Same-Sex Partners
- New Online Course on DeseretBook.com on LGBTQ members of the church, openly support the pride flag
- Reversal of the Two Great Commandments
- Example of talking and supporting a gay Latter-day saint is a man wanting to have a same-sex partner and begin dating men
- True tolerance and compassion is void without truth, reason, and charity
COMPARING ALLYSHIP AND DISCIPLESHIP
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DRAPING YOURSELF IN A RAINBOW FLAG DOESN’T HELP ME FEEL LOVED
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"Satan is not fighting churches, he's joining them. He does more harm by sowing tares than by pulling wheat. He accomplishes more by imitation than by outright opposition." Vance Havner
@@melissabodily3675 true.
@Sheri Champneys true.
Exactly.
See D&C 101:43 to 66... The Lord tells us exactly how Zion is going to be redeemed... then He finishes off with the wheat and the tares... he that hath ears 👂 to hear will understand the Lord is talking about His Church and His watchmen!
Right…but they’re letting things happen.
I’m a gay dude (and yes I use gay and same-sex attraction interchangeably). I’ve been open to celibate partnership (or not but still close to the Church and my family), but I absolutely do not identify with Pride flag and current goings on in LGBTQIAWXYZ land. Nothing screams “I’m different” or even “I’m better than you” than a Pride flag. I don’t want gay Pride in the Church. I want the Church to be “safe” for me but also to be “set apart” from the world.
I miss when Deseret Book platformed gay/SSA individuals who had an alternate approach to this topic. I’m really thankful for my journey and believe there is already room for me and the love I have to give and receive in this Church. LGBT Pride, however, does not represent my place in God’s kingdom.
PS I’ve long thought that if the Church (or Deseret Book) adopted the rainbow, then I could assume that they’ve completely over looked the other options available to us as gay Latter-day Saints (besides or in addition to marriage in a heterosexual union): the merits of friendship, brotherhood, healthy and brotherly physical affection, celibate partnership…things that I believe lie within the bounds the Lord has set.
PPS just know that there are gay members serving all throughout the Church, even in the Tabernacle Choir, who are not all about Pride and rainbows.
Amen
Thanks for speaking up. I don't know what kind of dude you are. But I do know this: you are a child of heavenly parents, we are here on earth to strive to be more like them. I have special challenges that get in the way. Not surprised that you do, too. I'm praying that we can all do that.
Alex, I knew this was you even before I read your name. 💜 Your *voice* has become very familiar to me. 🙂
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence the good."
-Archbishop Charles J. Chaput
And more evil has perpetrated throughout history in effort to eradicate evil than any other cause.
He just proved your point 😅
We can study Mao's Cultural Revolution, Hitler's culture changes, USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, etc; and see strong parallels with what is happening now in the Church, America and many LDS families. It is: turning the hearts of the children *against* the fathers.
You have no idea about Adolf Hitler you’ve been lied to about everything he stood for sadly you won’t even investigate the truth!!!!!
Google says I have a reply⬆️ but I can't see it. Wish I could.
I agree! It is so sad what is happening in the world and the church. You can love family members who don't live the way God intended without acceptance of their choices. We can give support without acceptance.
There's wickedness and corruption at the highest levels.
@@rolandsmith4394 if you change the "Sort by" to "Newest" under the video's description box, you will have to scroll down a bit to find your comment, but then you will be able to see a comment that was probably flagged.
My brother came out as gay a few years ago, but wanted to remain a faithful latter day saint. He lived in San Fransisco and his bishop was meeting with him and supporting him in going ahead with a gay relationship. My brother told me that if he lived anywhere else he "would have been excommunicated by now." What happened next? After having a couple short gay relationships he started drifting from the church. He started drugs and drinking. After he misunderstood elder Holland's BYU talk to professors, like everyone else did, he abandoned everything to do with the church. He went from someone with a very strong testimony to hating the church in less than 3 years. All because he, with the support of his bishop, thought it would be OK to have a gay relationship. That it wouldn't take him further from the Savior. And I've lost the little brother I knew, and the spiritual bond that we had.😭
💔 I can't believe bishops can be so faithless. But I've had similar experiences in Utah.
That is heart breaking.
Everyone I’ve ever known who self-medicates with Marijuana ends up leaving the church.
😔
I was a bishop, I never would have given that type of advice. I am so sorry, I know your pain and pray for you 🙏
My most favorite line from THE CHOSEN is when Mary Magdalene says, "I follow Jesus; not the other way around." This is a growing problem among some members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who think that charity and kindness means tolerance, acceptance, and celebration (pride flags) of sin. It's heartbreaking to watch. 😭 I personally will have a very difficult time purchasing my sacred ordinance clothing from the distribution center WITHIN Deseret Book. I'm really struggling with this.
Yes, I think a lot of people inside the church and outside the church have a hard time understanding the difference between caring about someone, verses agreeing with them & everything they do.
If you have difficulty purchasing sacred ordinance clothing from the distribution center wouldn't you also have difficulty going to the Temple itself? The church owns the distribution center and deseret book.
@@darin6958no
THIS! If lgbtq are serious about being part of the church, they should be thinking, “How can I be an ally of the CHURCH I want to belong to?”
A few years ago my Relief Society sent out an email and had another individual in the ward selling pride flags and with the purchase the person would bring out the flag and at the end of pride month they would come and pick it up. I talked with my neighbor who was the ward clerk in the Bishopric and told him that I did not think this was appropriate under the banner of the Relief Society. He told me he’d take it to the Bishop. The following Sunday was Fast Sunday. I along with others were rebuked by our Bishop. He said and I quote “there are more important things going on in our ward than worrying about what kind of a flag our neighbor is flying”. I was outraged. I live in a very liberal close to the U ward. I don’t hate, BUT I do not promote what I believe to be a not aligned with the gospel action. I did not gossip about this over my to the Bishopric, that’s it! As you can tell I’m still HOT over how I was called out from the pulpit.
Remember Satan introduces sin as a small thing, we go from tolerance, Acceptance , then embrace. Wise and foolish virgins is a real thing.
Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As to be hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace. Alexander Pope
Vanessa-that’s a great poem! Thank you!
@@lespaul382 that is so silly to say-how can you claim to know who we worship…
Crossing the line from compassion to advocacy.
That is correct.
Yep and it’s wrong for them to do this.
A flag stands for captured territory.
Well, the group has destroyed "the RAINBOW"
Indeed. And an Ideology to support.
yes, simply said but very profound statement you made.
@Aaron DB Wow, you are right.
That's brilliant. Simple but very insightful.
My favorite scene in The Chosen is where Mary aka Lilith at the time, was about to take a drink of alcohol and Jesus puts His hand on hers and says “That’s not for you.” That is how you show love.
WOW 😲 and Thank YOU for Sharing....
Amen! We are our brothers keeper and should do all we can to help keep them on the straight and narrow path….NOT help them justify and rationalize their behavior. “THY will be done”
@@841577Amen.
I am reminded of the "ribbon bullies" on Seinfeld when Kramer won't wear the red ribbon. To show you're a good person you must wear the ribbon, wear a safety pin on your shirt, post a black square on IG, wave the pride flag, etc. Symbols that show you will submit to emotional manipulation.
Rush Limbaugh from his 90’s TV show also addressed the hypocrisy of ribbon wearing. The message: I care more than you because I wear ribbons.
@@clintonnorby2660 I remember him saying that. funny. Ribbons should NEVER be placed on us except by someone else (i.e. military, police etc...). When we wear OUR choice of ribbons, we weigh ourselves down.
Yep the ribbon bullies! Totally!
Sounds like the excuse that was used to wear a mask, get the injection.
This is so frustrating, I'm fine with the world going their way, that's to be expected, but I didn't expect Deseret Book to go along with them.
Deseret Book is Priestcraft. As is CES.
@@sadiegirl1243 Is there going to be a schism of the true church and CES, Deseret Book, BYU etc.? I've sensed that there will be a huge phase of apostasy for church members coming up. Reminds me of the parable of the virgins and the oil lamps. Only half of them had oil
@@sadiegirl1243 when you say CES what do you refer to? I work for S&I and we dont teach this stuff. I was wondering because some people CES ad S&I are the same thing.
It's been going that way for quite a while now.
I'm not LDS, but all faith communities need to distinguish between caring for individuals in their genuine life struggles and signing off on identitarian movements that are political in nature and that will gladly steamroll over a religion in the name of their movement's struggle for more power. Identitarian movements don't care about the sanctity of the individual or about the primacy of religion, but only about accumulating more power for their group.
Acceptance and tolerance today trump all these days. So many people are walking around bent in so many ways to include the ideologies of everyone, to come across as tolerant, and compassionate.
True true true!
Now that I really think about this it’s sort of makes me mad.
Why do LGBTQ people need so much “help”. Why are we so focused on them.
What about the faithful brothers and sisters that suffer hardship in other ways, divorce, abuse, financial?
This makes me sick. It’s so lopsided and misguided.
As I have studied and analyzed this I have come to realize that these folks are very narcissistic. My nephew, who's out, has implied and expressed that he very into himself. And I see this behavior in other gay and lesbian people with public lives. I don't believe they lack in rights, but lack for constant attention.
That is a great point. It's because the loud minority has raised their voices and the press has picked it up and so it forces the church to address it.
But as you say...how about those...
- Struggling single mothers
- Members struggling with serious diseases
- Single fathers
- etc...
It's our society that has put LBGT people on a pedestal and pointed their fingers at the church and so the church has to address it. It's so unfortunate.
Agree.
Exactly. And why does the whole have love for everyone thing only go one way, for those who only take actions towards the destruction of the gospel and Christianity as a whole?
That's because in our culture and society, the squeeky wheel, if it's related to sex, gets the grease.
I experience SSA and you're totally spot-on here. Also, I am absolutely repelled by the pride flag.
What is ssa?
God bless ya!
Kaederyn,thanks to both you and Alex Lindstrom for sharing your thoughts on this matter. I work at a place where we have been celebrating Pride Month now since 2020,. At the main entrance to our building,they place a pride flag during the month of June,but no American flag. I have brought this up several times with management that,hey,if you are going to fly the Pride flag,then really you should be flying the American flag as well,as I feel that would be showing balance towards both. I have been nice as possible in talking about it,but going into the fourth year my work will be celebrating that month come June,still no American flag has been placed at the entrance to the building,so I feel as if I am talking to a brick wall when it comes to things like this,as if management is not listening to me(yet they claim that they value everyone's input,which at times I have not seen unfortunately). Is anyone else experiencing this,and if so,how did you handle the situation? I totally support being loving and understanding to those of the LGBTQ lifestyle,but like Greg says,some of what Deseret Book is doing lately is not right. I don't think people should have to pay 15.00 to watch an hour to hour and a half long video,on this subject,or any other subject for that matter.
@@rolandsmith4394 Same Sex Attraction
It's coming to be known as the bully flag.
Definitely the entitlement flag.
It's such a divisive symbol. Not sure how no one "flagged" this video before it was published.
What I can’t understand from the LGBTQ view is why they feel their temptation is so difficult beyond what anyone else has experienced that they feel they have license to sin? There seems to be this assumption that “no one understands what it’s like to experience same-sex attraction, no one knows how hard this is, no one gets why I need to date the same-sex to be okay with my self-image”. Last I checked, even straight married members are tempted towards pornography, lust, infidelity, covetousness, & self-love/pride/indulgence and all manner of mortal weakness. But what you don’t see is all the straight church members out advocating for license to give in to their own difficult habits & temptations. What exactly is different with straight temptation that people can resist it and live righteously anyway but LGBTQ seem to claim it is impossible to refrain from their type of temptation? Doesn’t seem that there’s a way one could measure precisely just how much more difficult one temptation is from another. Last I checked, Church doctrine is that no one can be tempted above that which they are able to bear. As long as you have the mental capacity to exercise your agency & you choose to exercise faith in Christ, you can resist any temptation. There’s no such thing as “it’s too hard for me, because my temptation is special”.
I’m tired of the implied accusation that straight members who live more or less righteously somehow just don’t understand temptation. We understand completely, in my opinion. It’s the fact that LGBTQ seems to have claimed some imaginary pass from criticism of their political agenda that we don’t understand. Or that their agenda is more important to them than ACTUAL efforts to show Christlike love by inviting them to forsake the agenda & follow Christ. The agenda is the great spacious building, the love of the World, the whore of the earth, the exclusive club of the wicked where no real meaningful love or help exists. You’ll have to forgive us for mocking it and being bewildered & saddened when our LGBTQ loved ones choose to waste their time & energy there.
You’re exactly right: allyship & the flag is all about supporting the agenda. It is NOT synonymous with compassion or Christlike love towards a struggling individual.
I realize it's 2023 but I think it is worth revisiting the core, the nucleus of gay attraction, especially gay men. Because I believe it explains much especially the difference between straight persons, and gays/lesbians.
Wow, this has how I have felt. Thank you for putting into words!!!!!
I wish I could "like" this 100 times. I absolutely agree with you 💯 per cent
This is exactly what I ask too? How is same-sex attraction more powerful than heterosexual attraction? I remember my hormonal teens, and 20's before I married at age 30 as extremely difficult. The Law of Chastity applies to ALL of us. The blessings for obedience are for all too.
I agree that persons experiencing SSA ought to exercise restraint like persons tempted with breaking chastity laws in heterosexual contexts.
I do feel like there are some reasoms why persons experiencing SSA find it harder:
1) the LGBTQ+ movement is predatory and abusive and manipulates people experiencing SSA into believing that they are entitled to non-heteronormative sexual/romantic relationships, and conflating discouragement of homosexual acts with hate. There is not the same scale of advocacy or community building for unchaste heterosexuality, and practitioners of pre- or extra- marital sex are not inundated with messaging that every person and institution who supports the law of chastity is hatefully denying their identity. People experiencing SSA are frequently gaslighted into believing their identity is LGBTQ+ vs divine.
2) Persons experiencing SSA often have to wrestle with the reality that in embodying an SSA identity, their lifestyle will be limited to exclude some of the most joyful and purposeful experiences of life: family life. An adulterer might recognize they are risking their family but convince themselves they are fine as long as they are not caught. A self-professed gay person who lives a gay lifestyle is acting on the premise that they cannot be happy in a heterosexual marriage, and therefore on some level must force themself to accept that homosexuality is the closest they will ever be able to get to the blessings of family. For somebody with SSA, giving up a gay lifestyle might mean accepting a life not only celibate but without romantic companionship. For somebody who is interested in or engaging in adultery, they don't have to come to terms with a permanent loss of family possibilities in order to act out their sexual preferences, nor in order to resume a chaste life. For as denigrated as the family is, a part of each of us still recognizes the value of family, including many people who have bought into LGBTQ+ politics or practices in some way.
One of the scary things about putting yourself is the "ally" box is that the label on the box changes slowly. You'll eventually be an ally for things that at one point you knew were wrong.
Be a friend with Soft Heart and Firm Mind.
God first, always. It is clarifying. "Keeping" the Commandments means so much more than mere compliance.
@@rolandsmith4394 It's only a matter of time and the Church will be solemnizing same sex marriages in the Temples, under the banner of inclusion. Then shall the end of the Church come. Then shall Satan's goal of destroying the church be achieved.
"We don't need to bring the world and their tenets... into the church.". You hit the nail spot on.
Love your explanation of charity. Tolerance isn't necessarily love.
The thing is, not everyone is going to the Celestial Kingdom. The road is steep and rocky and hard.
We need to treat our brothers and sisters kindly, wherever they are on the road. We must NOT compromise the standards of the gospel.
I'll be blunt. I see the pride flag as the flag of a cultural/religious occupier. The "queer" religion is quickly becoming the U.S. state religion, and it avoids pesky separation of church and state laws by claiming not to be a religion. But it is one, and it's not mine. My religion is incompatible with its tenants. I automatically don't trust people who claim to share a religion with me and who simultaneously display the symbols of another religion altogether. There's a huge difference between loving my fellow man and participating in the rituals of a religion I don't believe in. Between living in the world and accepting the philosophical beliefs of the world. It makes me sick to see Deseret Book creating content that tries to syncretize two religions while claiming only to be part of one.
I agree with every single word you wrote here. It's not my religion either.
I want a partner too! But I’m not going outside the church covenants to get one. How many single brothers and sisters have endured singleness and remained faithful to covenants! Entitlement = Pride = Selfishness
Love for God and his commandments comes before "loving" my neighbor. People keep switching priorities around and I am not going to participate in their "allyship" no matter what I get called.
They keep skipping over the 1st summary Commandment.
This is an imperative message.
@@CwicShow exactly so. Thank you for talking about all of this. You are doing a great job!
Good point
Lunch Box-Week 9
1 John 4:19-21
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
It is not possible to love God without loving our neighbor.
Elder Boyd K Packer: ‘In recent years I have felt, and I think I am not alone, that we are losing the ability to correct the course of the church. You cannot appreciate how deeply I feel about the importance of this present opportunity unless you know the regard, the reverence, I have for the Book of Mormon and how seriously I have taken the warnings of the prophets, particularly Alma and Helaman.
Both Alma and Helaman told the church in their day. They warned about fast growth, the desire to be accepted by the world, to be popular, and particularly they warned about prosperity. Each time those conditions existed in combination, the church has drifted off course. All of those conditions are present in the church today.
Helaman repeatedly warned, I think four times he used these words, that the fatal drift of the church could occur in the space of not many years. In one instance it took only six years. (Helaman 6:32; 7:6; 11:26).” Boyd K. Packer - Let Them Govern Themselves, Reg. Rep. Seminar, March 30, 1990
Thanks for including the reference. Amazing quote!
I hadn't heard this talk. Oh, my!
Great comment. Thank you for sharing
The last couple of years, when Pride month comes around, I’ve felt sad when fellow members of the church not only use the flag but caption it with their declaration that they’re a “safe space” “compassionate” “tolerant” “an ally” and that “love is love”. I choose not to fly the flag for the exact reasons Greg shared. I promise, I possess as much compassion and I’m every bit as safe as those who fly the flag. To be honest, some of the members who fly it, I have found to gossipy, petty, and critical towards other ward members just because they aren’t serving in their callings as the pride waving member thinks they should be. There’s a lot of hypocrisy in it.
As in, "My flag can beat up your flag" or "My flag is bigger than yours". Additionally, in the parable of The Wheat and the Tares, the wheat is allowed to ask (in my mind, anyway), "Who is behind your flag? The Lord God Almighty is at the core of our flag."
It's not about showing "tolerance" or "compassion" when people fly the flag. It is virtue signaling.
Church-owned entities (eg, BYU, Deseret News, Deseret Book, KSL) are due some serious house-cleaning.
Not yet their cup isn’t quite full, just a few more drops to go.
@@andrewwood6285 Agreed. The parable of the wheat and the tares comes to mind.
Yes, by the Lord, as He so clearly states in D&C that he will start the cleansing in His own house. Because the brethren clearly aren't doing anything about it
My wife had a great thought the other day, the pride flag is the enemy mocking God saying “last time I got people to commit so fervently to my plan you flooded the earth, but now you won’t, you can’t, you promised. Don’t you remember what the rainbow means”.
Wow! What a great observation. Jehova is God.
God said he wouldn't flood the Earth again. There's plenty of other ways He could demonstrate His wrath and justice.
@@BrendonKing "cleansed by fire" not looking forward to that.
Greg, you’re a hero for standing up and telling people that those with Same sex attractions haven’t all chosen it. Because it goes against what the brethren used to teach and what many members still believe.
The church gave in on banning polygamy and allowing blacks to have the priesthood too. It’s a cycle and it’s happened multiple times. Greg, it’s going to happen it only makes sense. “The Doctrine” literally used to be taught by prophets you had to be married polygamously to 5 women to be in the top level of the celestial kingdom, 3 for the second and 1 for the bottom level. It was doctrine taught be a prophet from the pulpit in the name of God. Quit saying Doctrine can’t change because you know better and you telling your listeners it doesn’t is disingenuous.
When you love someone you care enough to tell them when they are doing something wrong.
Amen!!!
Thank you so much for eloquently expressing the same feelings I have! It is so sad and disturbing that this is going on within the church. Why is BYU pushing this agenda so much? And WHY is Deseret Book now!? How has the church allowed this? Is it because they allow the separation of wheat and tares to be happening? We are told it’ll happen within the church, right!? This stuff makes me so upset! Raising a family (even when we’ve always homeschooled) is so hard in this filth of a world.
You are a good mom. Thank you for all you do to build your family and the kingdom of God on earth.
Heather,thanks for your sincerity through your comments. It is true,some members are turning on each other,often for petty reasons. The only thing we can all do is do our best to stand up for what is right, stand strong.
Also off topic for just a bit. I noticed your last name is Robison,and I myself actually have some Robison's through my dad's side of the family. I would be curious if I might be related to you at all. I see the last name Robison pop up periodically,and wonder who I might be related to. But again like I was mentioning in my comments,stand strong,and do the best that you can. I am sure that your kids are all appreciate of what you do for them. :)
I have a beloved daughter that is gay and lives the lifestyle and has a girlfriend. I have seen the struggle and felt the pain personally and seen her difficulty trying to figure out out. I knew the day she came out that she would eventually distance herself from church despite her good intentions. As a bishop I have seen the transition of a man with a big family into living life as a (woman). There is a lot of pain surrounding these topics. When I was trying to figure this out and find peace regarding these issues the idea that kept coming back to me was that our sexuality does not dave us. Only Jesus Christ saves us as we put ourselves in line with him. I chose to place my faith in him instead of a flag, sexuality, or other thing. I don't have good answers but I'm trying to let Jesus be the focus despite the myriad ways we can choose to live.
Indeed. There are several other ways to support and love our family members without virtue signaling, politically charged flags and symbols.
You're absolutely right we definitely need the savior-centered in our lives. And also we all have struggles different from others. But the thing is it does matter it matters that we are obedient to the teachings and the gospel of our savior if not how can he be centered in our lives. Cuz if it's not corrected now, in society than the next Generations are doomed. As if this is normal and the world would have you believe that it is, but it is not. And you're right only the Savior can save but the savior cannot save us in our sins. Alma chapter 11 verses 34 through 37. Just because we do not condone or advocate their cause does not mean we do not love them. And if Christ was truly centered in our lives this would never be an issue. And a quote by Joseph Smith we should never surrender our faith or beliefs to mobaucracy.
@@OmegaMan28 dude. Check yourself. Don't pretend to follow Jesus and say these things. You talk just like the Jews during the time of Jesus. Stop. Go to a different thread to spout your Christless hate. I have faith in Jesus. DON'T try to limit the power of Jesus to save. Back off.
@@OmegaMan28 thanks for making my point about you yourself. You are un hinged and are following someone....but it ain't Jesus.
Your daughter sex life is her business, we don't need to know. The doctrina is what it is. If she chosen not to live according, then she has her free agency to do as she needs to. But, we need to have out principales, and beliefs respected. We don't want to gave to change to please others, specially when it comes to accepting things that God has made very clear.
Totally agree-being compassionate, empathetic toward those with VERY REAL gender dysphoria and same-sex attraction etc. does NOT mean allyship, AND DOES mean putting the Doctrine of Christ, our covenants, and the first commandment at the core of our compassion, empathy, and care.
As an SSA (gay) Saint myself, you’re spot on here Greg; thank you for raising awareness of these issues!
I have two comments about Brother Madsen: 1) I'll bet dimes to donuts that the leaders in the church, both General Authorities and General Officers, are very appreciative of the fact that there is someone out there who is both willing and capable of taking on these political issues, articulating commentary about them in ways that fully support the doctrine of Christ, and 2) that none of them will ever be able to (publicly) say so. Keep it up, Madsen. Your work is valued.
What! So Deseret book now supports Pride? One of the deadly sins. Amazing.
It is a spiritually significant word. I'm glad you made the connection. It is not at all coincidental
@@rolandsmith4394 I'll add this as well. I teach youth Sunday school and talked about how ALL pride is evil. They were offended when I linked it to the pride flag. I told them that if they are offended, then be offended. I will not call evil good and good evil. We read Galatians 5. The holy Spirit was there but it was rough at first.
I buy from the LDS authors on Amazon. Not that I want to but at least Amazon isn't being hypocritical.
So does the church now
I know it’s supposed to be the “pride” that anyone can have in themselves and in the eyes of God. But I still don’t like “gay Pride” and what it’s become. It doesn’t represent me.
And why should this surprise anyone. This weekend I listened to the presentation by Elder and Sister Holland to the Single Adults. After Sis. Holland spoke, I paused the presentation and said to my family that she left the most important teaching out about Hope. Moroni clearly taught that if we have no hope, we must be in despair, and despair cometh because of iniquity. We are running from teaching the principle of obedience. Thankfully, Elder Holland did touch on transgression and sin, though he stated that he did so reluctantly. Then I was studying the talk by Elder Christofferson about what he called the doctrine of belonging. That terminology makes me uncomfortable because it, like so many words such as inclusion, kindness, tolerance, and love are used to deceive and distort the virtue of truth. Elder Christofferson quoted from The manual Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith when he said:“we are the favored people that God has made choice of to bring about the Latter-day glory.” Something just didn’t seem right with me about this quote and the context in which it was given. So I went to the manual and read what Joseph Smith fully said. How come he left this part out?
We build up the cause of Zion by becoming a people who are pure in heart and by working diligently with one heart and mind.
“The building up of Zion is a cause that has interested the people of God in every age; it is a theme upon which prophets, priests and kings have dwelt with peculiar delight; they have looked forward with joyful anticipation to the day in which we live; and fired with heavenly and joyful anticipations they have sung and written and prophesied of this our day; but they died without the sight; we are the favored people that God has made choice of to bring about the Latter-day glory; it is left for us to see, participate in and help to roll forward the Latter-day glory.”
“Anyplace where the Saints gather is Zion, which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children.”
“There will be here and there a Stake [of Zion] for the gathering of the Saints. … There your children shall be blessed, and you in the midst of friends where you may be blessed. The Gospel net gathers of every kind.
“… We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object. … The time is soon coming, when no man will have any peace but in Zion and her stakes.”
“In regard to the building up of Zion, it has to be done by the counsel of Jehovah, by the revelations of heaven.”
“If Zion will not purify herself, so as to be approved of in all things, in His sight, He will seek another people; for His work will go on until Israel is gathered, and they who will not hear His voice, must expect to feel His wrath. Let me say unto you, seek to purify yourselves, and also all the inhabitants of Zion, lest the Lord’s anger be kindled to fierceness. Repent, repent, is the voice of God to Zion; and strange as it may appear, yet it is true, mankind will persist in self-justification until all their iniquity is exposed, and their character past being redeemed, and that which is treasured up in their hearts be exposed to the gaze of mankind. I say to you (and what I say to you I say to all,) hear the warning voice of God, lest Zion fall, and the Lord swear in His wrath the inhabitants of Zion shall not enter into His rest.”
“So long as unrighteous acts are suffered in the Church, it cannot be sanctified, neither can Zion be redeemed.”
Not only are we not some special chosen people to gather Zion, if we do not purify ourselves as Joseph Smith directly taught, the Lord will choose another people to do the gathering. This is right in line with the Saviors teaching multiple times when he was among the Nephites what would happen if we gentiles reject the gospel.
I thought of Zeezrom before Alma and Amulek and then Helaman’s endorsing of the doctrine that Christ did not come to save us in our sins. He came to save us from our sins. I am convinced that as a church, we have adopted the ideology that Christ will save us in our sins and that is why we are so afraid to speak about obedience to the commandments as we emphasize repentance and mercy over obedience and justice. When receiving some pushback from my dear wife that this was too harsh, I asked her. Do you want a husband who refuses to control his anger, then repents for being angry all the time? Would you want a husband who constantly views pornography, but repents of it regularly? I gave several other examples but you get my point. The beauty of Christ’s Atonement is not that we can always repent but that with him and through him we can overcome sin. I thought of Brad Wilcox’s beautiful analogy of comparing practicing the piano with repentance. However, I don’t think he implied that the lord wants us to keep practicing Row, Row, Row your boat all your life. He actually expects, demands, and even commands that we actually learn to play the piano and move on to ever more difficult pieces to master. Christ did not come to save us in our sins. He came to save us from our sins. We have significantly strayed from that truth in the church.
Dido
Temple ceremony no longer mentions "kingdom of God on the earth" it states "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" .... just a little thing but changes meaning soo much ... verry startling
@@bettescott950 Agreed, and there are too many “little things” that are aligned with wokeness capitulation and not gospel doctrine.
Thank you for this well thought out comment! Much to ponder!!
Be careful about criticizing the Brethren. The Lord directs them. It's not our place to decide what they ought to include in their talks or what words they should use. The living prophets are more important to us than the dead prophets.
First we overlook evil
Then we permit evil
Then we legalize evil
Then we promote evil
Then we celebrate evil
Then we persecute those who still call it evil
Woe unto them who call evil good and good evil.
Isaiah 5:20
Your example of the Confederate flag is perfect. Lesson should be learned, when we adopt a symbol, we are adopting everything that anyone else associates with it.
Bottom line: We cannot make looking "hip" to the world, more important than the doctrine of the church.
Same sex attraction is just another struggle. Everyone's life is as difficult as everyone else's. Nobody is going to get off easy.
It's like glamorizing alcoholism or infidelity. We shouldn't pretend to find common ground.
Not everyone’s life is as difficult as everyone else’s. Every person will experience pain and challenges, sure. But I’ve lived long enough to know it isn’t equal.
@@kristinrichmond8185 we just can't see everyone's struggles. "Therefore, they must needs be chastened and tried, even as Abraham, who was commanded to offer up his only son." D&C 101:4
The Lord isn't going to let anyone off easy. Some struggles are more private and some people learned how to manage their struggles and it makes it look like they're not struggling as much.
@@geography_guy335 I agree we can’t see each others struggles. But there are people in this world who have experienced more pain in the first 10 yrs of life than I ever will. Life is unfair. And so is trials from person to person. It isn’t equal. No way.
We all have our own personal strugles. I don't hold any one responsable for my problemas or strugles. Enough nonsense.
For over 14 years I have asked Desert Book to carry a Title of Liberty flag... Their reply was they did not have space on the sales floor for them. Instead I see hand towels and home decor.
When I walk into Desert Book, I have to walk past all the garbage kitch to get to a set of scriptures. It won't be long before you actually have to hunt in a backroom to find a Book of Mormon.
9:23 pm. We went to Deseret Book today looking for a specific thing for a granddaughter. It was after I saw a little bit of this video. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough. when my children were young we lived in California. It was my custom to a couple of times a month go on Saturday afternoon late evening and shop at Deseret Book. I just loved going in there. I love looking at the books and just so enjoyed some quiet time away from four noisy children. Usually, I saw someone I knew. Today when we walked in, I thought of that video and it seemed like I just couldn’t get out of there fast enough I used to have so many points on their platinum plan because I spent so much money there. I no longer do that, it’s sad to have one less place to go. That represents my faith. I also loved Sheri Dew. I thought she was amazing and fearless. Now I know better. Thanks Greg.
We’re seeing the cycle of apostasy happening in real time. We have the Book of Mormon with many examples of this yet we assume it wouldn’t happen in our day. It is and it will continue until the winding up scene. It is why our homes, rather than the “church” is to be the center of our faith and religion.
I felt prompted to add this edit. By the above I am not implying that we should not follow the brethren. Our safety lies in following the Lord's chosen prophet and seeking our own confirmation by the Spirit, even when we do not completely understand the "why" at the time.
Amen and amen. God bless us and protect us.
Pride cycle?
"All is well in Zion"
Like Disney, Deseret might find themselves losing a lot of business.
I don’t understand this gay people being so vocal. I always thought sex was private. If a person is gay. That is their business! Keep it private.
Well said.
An important component of charity is the phrase "rejoiceth not in iniquity". For many, the pride flag and identity are all about rejoicing in iniquity.
To bad they actually mean the opposite. From what I'm noticing.
In my observations, once people become an "ally" they start to faulter in other areas of the gospel. I've seen more Pride flags in Utah than any other state. They are trying so hard to show they're hip.
Corruption, in all of its forms, is now very pervasive. The devil has pulled out all of the stops.
My thoughts exactly 💯
Yeah it must be like lambs blood over the door way at Passover or something. Maybe they are trying to avoid the angels - hells angels, hoping they will pass them by. These clowns were the same ones to put out the party flags when the National socialists took over in 1937.
Totally!! It’s cuckoo
“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”
- Alexander Pope
Charity (the pure love of Christ) rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in truth.
The rainbow represents the Lord's covenant with Enoch and Noah; stop using it to support satanic agendas.
This discussion and many others like it, in the past 5 years, is the result of tolerance of all and anything. We love and accept everything the world has to offer. We can expect more of this as we walk the woke path. We mustn’t offend or call out anyone for any reason.
Listening to the gay member reminded me of Elder Renlund's talk "A man once told me about his struggles to stabilize his family’s financial situation. He had the idea to embezzle funds as a solution, prayed about it, and felt he had received affirmative revelation to do so. I knew he had been deceived because he sought revelation contrary to a commandment of God."
Are any adults in the room anyehere working to get the Desert Book people together with the First Presidency to discuss and dispose of this evil stuff? Good grief.
Do you think first presidency doesnt know about it with it being in Deseret Book?
@@greghymas7875 So, as you have stated, Sherri Dew and Wendy Nelson, who have been such dear friends for many years should remember the things they have stated in talks and interviews over the years about the importance of the family AND get President Nelson, et al... to read the Proclamation on the Family that he and many of the Apostles signed in 1996 +/-. This is a rhetorical question, "Tell me how both Elder Ballard and President Nelson can reconcile these two diametrically opposed viewpoints?" If they can...
Isn't Shari Dew in charge of it? I'm sure she meets with the regularly.
@@annemariewheeler398 Matt 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses ***because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you*** to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
We learn from Christ that a prophet can yield to the hardness of the people’s hearts. Simple concept we call agency.
I did ask Laurel Day if the brethren had seen the class but she did not answer that question, though I did get a general dismissive reply.
"The philosophies of men surround us. The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance. Do not be deceived; behind that facade is heartache, unhappiness, and pain. You know what is right and what is wrong, and no disguise, however appealing, can change that. The character of transgression remains the same." Thomas S. Monson
Homosexuality takes that which is fertile and makes it sterile or dead. We are witnessing a fulfillment of Isaiah prophecy of making a covenant with death.
"Ally" is an activist word. Merriam-Webster definition is a political helper/assistant. Seems contention is at the heart of today's activism. Contention is of whom? Friend seems to be the better word.
Yes, and notice the host adds the word "activity" after talking about allyship.
Neutral Switzerland - go ahead and have your World War II - just don’t cross our border.
Every family in our ward, without exception, that has waved the flag has left the Church. Those of us with family members in pride community who chose not to display the flag have stayed faithful. We strengthen each other in our eternal identities and took comfort from the 3 identities that Pres. Nelson asked us to focus on.
One thing that stood out to us about allyship is that it implies that by not labeling yourself as an ally you must, by definition of exclusion, be an enemy. Christ and His Gospel are not the enemy. Satan is the enemy.
I've also seen this and lived it.
You said it well.
I look at it like this: I want to feel supported as lds, if you love me you will wear a ctr ring to show your support for me, you don’t you are a bigot, a hateful evil person….now really, who would actually ask that, and who would actually do it!
"Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect." - Ezra Taft Benson "Our Immediate Responsibility"
Whoa. Powerful.
In response to the young man in the video praying for answers and deciding to date other men, I just want to say that Elder Renland warned us in the last General Conference not to pray for things that we already know are against the commandments. It will drive the Spirit away, and we will end up being deceived.
I see a parallel with what has happened to homelessness and drug addiction. Laws have been done away with to allow both, in many areas of the country. All in the name of compassion and tolerance. The result is people living in misery and squalor. Consequently, our society has deteriorated. As you are describing, when truths are done away with, people ultimately suffer.
"we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."
In June, my bishop wished us happy Pride month from the stand during sacrament. In July, he absolutely forgot to celebrate the 4th of July. The 3rd was fast and testimony and my mom was the last testimony and thanked our service members and thanked God for our nation and the Independence holiday. The bishopric then scrambled and changed the last hymn to something patriotic. That's our bishop and ward. I feel bad for our ward youth for his example.
Wow. Sad and crazy. I wonder why bishops like this don't get released?
A councilor in my Stake Presidency gives his preferred pronouns in correspondence !!
Seriously? Can you give a generalized area you live in? That makes me sick because the strong traditional saints have no place to go after this! I would have to have a meeting with the stake president after hearing this from the pulpit.
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Wow!
Russell M. Nelson taught, “real love for the sinner may compel courageous confrontation-not acquiescence! Real love does not support self-destructing behavior.”
Brigham Young said, “Be steadfast, always abiding in the truth. Never encourage malice or hatred in your hearts; that does not belong to a Saint.
Do I say, Love your enemies? Yes, upon certain principles. But you are not required to love their wickedness; you are only required to love them so far as concerns a desire and effort to turn them from their evil ways, that they may be saved through obedience to the Gospel.”
I agree with everything you have said, and I also do not hate or discriminate. However, I get somewhat annoyed with General Authorities and leaders when, as Elder Ballard said, we need to do more for our LGBT brothers and sisters. How much more is enough? When is it enough? It would seem that the next logical step is, as you indicated, allyship. Ok, what comes after that? The slope becomes very slippery indeed and leaders who tell us we need to do "more" need to tell us in no uncertain terms what that means.
Thank you!
I discriminate all the time. How else can I make good choices?
I love what President Oaks has said about God's love AND God's law. They're not only mutually compatible but we need both.
It's called the "pride" flag. It was originally used for the pride demonstrations. It means they take pride in their sexual identity and activities. It was used to lobby for gay marriage. The message is that gay marriage and gay sexual activities are not only ok, but good. The entire message of the flag is in direct contradiction to the doctrine of the church. When it is waved, it means "your religion is wrong".
And then they added the blue and pink triangle. That means that those who wave it think that gender can be changed, and that men can be woman and vice versa. It once again, is in direct contradiction to doctrine. It means "your churches teachings on gender and sex are wrong".
Those who try to claim it is otherwise are gaslighting us. It is not allyship. It is agreement. It's agreement with falsehoods that contradict God's teachings.
I'm ex LDS and I am totally amazed this is happening would never have believed it
We can’t believe it either.
Greg,
You mentioned to approach, talk and help? Why? Am I suppose to do those things differently for them?
Why not treat them like everyone else?
I didn't come out to my family, friends, church and community that I am a white heterosexual Christian male. My responsibility is to love everyone, to be kind and tolerant to the best of my ability. That's my take on this subject.
Define love.
It's not that you're "too nice" Greg, it's that voices like yours need to be speaking out openly and candidly about these things. Sometimes you beat around the bush (or that's the feeling I sometimes get with the BYU corruption videos), and that's how this has been able to run as long and as deep as it has. Members of the church do not speak up, and cede ground in the spirit of cooperation/tolerance, and the other side will take every advantage and ground given up and continue pushing for more.
I appreciate the feedback. I think the only place I beat around the bush is in names or assuming an overall character of an individual
It is true that if we all just matter-of-factly state what is right and wrong it would be a better world. We all need to work together on this. My daughter, a very innocent minded lovely girl who desires righteousness, when she received her youth book that just came out, she turned immediately to the page about sexual attraction and her eyes widened and she felt ashamed that the church would say same sex attraction is not a sin. It was confusing to her. Because, she is told not to think lustful thoughts about anyone (by the church -law of chastity). Yet somehow it is okay for these people to dwell on these feelings. We have gotten here accepting this behaviour of thought and feelings not being in control by our spirits little by little and by not speaking up as to what is exactly true. None of us should be "going there.". In saying that is okay then you almost encourage those thoughts and desires in our youth. That is actually a terrible.thing to do.
@@millenialhymns I actually haven't seen the parallel between "dwelling on same-sex thoughts" and "dwelling on lustful thoughts". They are both sinful, yet one seems more sinful than the other because one is OK or at least not stigmatized, and the other is. Good point.
@@millenialhymns I think the attraction itself is not a sin. I'm attracted to women, but if I lust after them it's a sin. Many people have attraction to many different sins, but they don't relent to temptation; if they do, I hope they repent; as we all should repent when we fall short.
Yes thanks for the correction. The temptation is not a sin. But the giving in to attraction and labeling yourself by it is.
How can you reconcile pride in your sins while selling the sacred garment
Moneychangers in the temple. Referring to our time, Jesus called them "wolves in sheep's clothing."
Don’t talk about people exchanging money in temples when the LDS church does this!
@@Sayheybrother8not IN the temple. In a part of some buildings but not actually in the temple itself. Outer court so to speak.
@@reppi8742 I mean some temples, you have to pay for your temple clothing rentals.
@@BrendonKing wow such an evil practice! Your examples are so compelling
We are asked: "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"
What does support or promote mean??
I will ask the leaders same question in the next temple interview. I will tell them that I don't support anything contrary to the church teaching.
I'm fairly convinced at this point as someone who walked away from the church that I could get a recommend if it hinged on that question alone. It's become meaningless.
"Be kind" is being heavily and strategically used to manipulate people into accepting ideas that are contrary to the gospel. This is one major example of why we're being instructed to be steadfast in keeping the spirit with us to be able to discern truth from error. It can be very difficult to know when good and true ideas have been infected with corruption.
I read a sign in an "ally" yard one day, that said "be kind or else" I think that perfectly sums up this philosophy
Another slogan of their party is - silence is violence.
It's amazing how sophistry works. Softening the big lie to make it look like it is not a lie at all. Thank you for your cutting through the sophistry and exposing the truth. No one is immune from sophistry unless they have it pointed out to them.
What happens when the charity, compassion, tolerance, acceptance causes normalization of a sin which causes it to spread?
This atrocity is spreading like fire.
“Charity” would not do this. Tolerance and compassion, yes.
Camel’s nose?
Exactly!
It’s a great soup recipe! With just a pinch of salmonella or shigella.
Greg, I agree with your take on this. I’ve learned you can have unconditional love for someone while not having unconditional “SUPPORT”. That applies here I think!
The last minute of your podcast sums it up perfectly. Probably a better guide for us than the entire $15 course. Well done.
I sent an email to DB asking them to remove my name from their mailing list. I've also sent your video to several family and friends in other states. Thank you for alerting us about this issue.
I agree. I've shared this podcast with all my family.
Bro, you always seek a well thought out balanced perspective that seeks seeing things eternally and as it is and not as how it seems. This whole podcast is a lesson on discernment and its application in a telestial world.
I really appreciate that
My husband and I are struggling right now. Our daughter has come out as Gay and is marrying her partner. My husband and I have expressed our love for her and her partner but have told her we cannot support her in this marriage knowing it is against Gods teachings. We are being attacked by church members for not supporting her. What the heck is that all about. Do they really believe God would approve of this? Do we stand for truth or not? By the way she has not only left the church but openly attacks it.
You are responsible for your own salvation. Rely on the spirit and not what others think. We are responsible for teaching are children correct principles. Loving our children does not mean supporting them when they disobey the commandments. Christ taught to love others as we would want to be treated. It is wrong for church members to attack you. It's hard to see our children do wrong. God, I am sure, feels the same way when we do wrong.
There are different ways of support. I vowed years ago that I would never attend a gay wedding. I ended up eating my words. My son came out gay several years ago. He was the perfect child, served an honorable mission, married in the temple, etc. After several years of marriage he decided to give into his desires. He left the Church and immediately started dating his future husband. I did attend his wedding. It was so hard and painful. I kept my eyes down. But I did it because it's not worth putting a strain in our relationship if I refused to attend just to prove my belief. He knows unequivocally that his parents love him and his husband, but he also knows that we do stand by and for the family proclamation which hangs prominently on our wall. I really enjoy being around him and his spouse; but still at the end of the day my heart is broken from them. The way you support your daughter is to just love her. She will feel it.
When our son married his husband, we also struggled but eventually came to feel that loving him without trying to change him was the only way to keep the hope of the gospel available to him. It meant never ever hiding our commitment to Jesus Christ and our covenants, but still reaching out with love to them. We attended the wedding and shared our love with them. Today we are able to have a good relationship that allows us to share our experiences and testimony because they feel our love.
As I looked through the SEEK courses from Deseret Book, it dawned on me that this is what the Book of Mormon called Priestcraft, where you pay to hear what is being sold as the gospel. It also didn’t escape me that the courses are taught by 21 women and 10 men. It is my perception that in our efforts to appease the feminist movement that we have emasculated men and we are approaching the day that Isaiah spoke of in 2 Nephi 13 that their sin to be even as Sodom, “and my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of thy paths.”
This is mind boggling that this same place can sell Sacred Temple clothes, sacred, garments, and allow this online course …
Having compassion is one thing being an ally is an AGENDA
Correct Greg you are !
I know I've posted Alexander Pope's quotation before but I have not as yet changed my mind.
He spoke wisely about any vice, “Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen; yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”
I 100% agree with this. I have said many times, I'm not an ally, which means I can't support the LGBTQ agenda. I care for them, and love them as brothers and sisters, but I cannot support the agenda. Can you imagine Pres. Kimball declaring he's an ally, or even allowing Deseret Books to publish a video like this?
Deseret and all the corruption seeping into many in the Church is bringing us towards the fulfillment of D&C 112 that teaches of this day of gross darkness covering the minds of the people. The consequences this corruption will soon bring is found in verse 12:
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
It will be interesting (maybe even fascinating) to see if it happens in a dramatic way, but then again it could be something less, I’ve been disappointed before.
I think that all is NOT well in Zion.
Thank you for sharing this in the way you did. I appreciate your focus on the commandments and doctrine. The way you explained how we can love the person, care about the person, without supporting a political agenda that is contrary to the Savior’s teachings, helped me phrase the thoughts and feelings I have on this topic.
Thank you again for bringing all of these topics to our awareness. The time, energy and effort that you invest in doing so is very much appreciated by all who follow you. Your insights and responses to these topics are highly valuable. You are doing much good brother. Much love and respect to you.🙏🏻👊🏻🤙🏻
Thank you!
A camel asks his master if he can put his head in the tent to get out of the sandstorm. The compassionate master said, “By all means and welcome.” And the camel stretches his head into the tent. Soon after, the camel inquires if he may also bring his neck and front legs inside. Again, the master agrees. Eventually the entire camel is in the tent and the master is out in the sandstorm.
We are all sinners and God cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. And God is constant, He is unchangeable. So even the most pious, virtuous, spiritual person will not be where God is unless they completely repents through Christ’s atonement and keeps all of His commandments.
God makes the rules, not the Church leaders.
We JUST studied the Old Testament. (Or DID we?). The Hebrews constantly rubbed shoulders with worshippers of Baal and Asheral etc. they were warned, didn't listen and fell bringing on persecution. These gods were gods of sexual perversion and child killing. People have not changed. It seems to be we no longer have leaders in the church. We never hear REPENT and we need too. Wrath is mentioned in the Bible 300+ times. Jesus is coming as a Lion not as a teddy bear. What does the BOM say? "He will beat us with a few stripes..." So No problems? I'm sorry but it seems like the prophet is a puppet. What is going on? Why don't the brethren say enough? Are they allowing the saints to prove whether they are wheat or tares? Pres Nelson first taught HEAR HIM. I will follow the Spirit and the scriptures. I can't stop wondering who is running the church?🥲
Another thought: I don't wrap myself in a marijuana flag in "solidarity" with people I know overcome by drug addiction.
Yes, the job of a prophet is to point people to Christ, and the prophets are doing that. Yes, the Lord is allowing the wheat and the tares to grow together --as the parable says, it's not until everyone is fully ripe that we can tell the difference between the good and the evil--that's why Jesus specifically chose those plants to use in His parable. As Elder Andersen reminded in October conference, the Lord said in D&C 86 that faith was weak, and there are children of His who He would love to save, and this earth is the place for each person to decide their loyalty to God or not, and He has to wait until each person definitively makes their choice of Him or not, and He isn't going to rush that, but honor our ability to act for ourselves and choose. But He will be with those who choose Him. All of this *is* the plan of salvation, that's exactly what's going on here, happening as individually as there are people.
I just have no words
Any LDS bishop who stands up in sacrament, endorses Pride month and forgets July 4th..needs to be released. No such thing as Pride month. America needs to celebrate its freedom and the men and women who gave their lives to protect it.
It seems to me the savior dealt with people as individuals rather than groups or “tribes”. We need to interact with others as individuals we care about without worrying about group or tribal identity, ours or theirs.
As an artist who did one project with DB and and refuses to work with them again, I can say from my experience, DB has one objective: Making Money. I hate that I have to walk through the store to purchase garments.
Great video. And great comments here. I've kept my finger on the pulse of these things for a long, long time. I've seen the progression. I've also read the books by Rod Dreher, and follow his blog, where he has spent a long time documenting how diabolic forces slowly co-opt churches and Christianity.
I will say this: it's going to get worse. A lot worse. Be prepared.
What does the pride flag represent? Each color has a meaning, and it's not what you might think - each color represents an aspect of the ancient idolatrous gods that Israel was told not to worship.
Check out The Return of the Gods by Jonathan Cahn.
thanks, going to check that out now.
Turning the hearts of the children against the fathers. The whole earth will be wasted at his His coming.
Now now did you think Satan was going to let those words go unchallenged. Every good thing presented in this world get equal time from the opposition that’s part of the design down here. Joseph Smith - Karl Marx -and on and on it goes.
The phrase "our LGBTQ brothers and sisters" IS rainbow flag allyship. I know people that don't want to be associated with the identity group name that are same-sex attracted, just as they don't want to be associated with the rainbow flag. LGBTQ = Rainbow flag (to most people). I don't believe the church intended to give the message that they SUPPORT a gay lifestyle, but that's unfortunately the message they gave, as portrayed in Desert Books latest publication...helping to keep the confusion and convolusion going.
I can see how LDS apologetics can aggravate any existing high blood pressure conditions you might have.
Greg thanks for doing these videos. I know you try to be honest while being compassionate and that probably is why you get flack from both sides. Honestly I think you keep it very well balanced. Sheri Dew maybe needs to be asked about this video from D.B. and see if she is even aware of it. Maybe she is..? But I do agree it definitely seems to bump up against what we have been taught about chastity from an early age.
I wondered the same thing about the leadership of Desert Book. Laurel Christensen Day is now CEO as of April 2021
When we single out a particular group within the church for special attention we are admitting we can't trust members to exercise true charity on their own. And where does that take us? Do we need a special flag and a course of instruction to teach people how to treat a disabled person? A homeless person? What about a flag for all the single parents in the church? Then, of course, we must have a flag and a course for how to talk to the recovering drug addict. and, certainly, for anyone whose skin is a different color than your own just to make sure he knows we consider him different from the rest of us. Maybe we should teach a class on how to engage people with crippling shyness. Or--- Why not just treat every person like someone who is worth as much as you are--isn't that what Christ did?. Isn't that what true charity is all about? If you can do that the rest will follow. The Spirit will nudge you along if you are sincerely trying.
As for the rainbow flag I am stunned that any church affiliated entity would encourage its use. To do so implies tacit church approval for behaviors and activities anywhere that flag is flown. I find it hard to believe that the authorities at Deseret Book are so naive as to suppose otherwise. Seems to me what this is really all about is virtue signaling, which is just about as far from authentic charity as you can get.
A thought that came to mind as I listened to your podcast was that understanding what our choices are and will be, and what we really, truly want for ourselves, is tied more closely to the veil of forgetfulness than we will ever be able to understand while we live our mortal lives. It seems like such a random thought to me but it also feels like a concept that is more powerful than I can really appreciate.
I appreciate you bringing this to light in a very kind and fair manner. I never thought I would find myself not wanting to be someone’s “Ally”but the language has been corrupted. I can be their friend though. So disappointed in Deseret, Book and and Sherry, Dew. has she even watched these videos?
I would find it hard to believe she has no knowledge of the content.
It’s not really the language. It’s the philosophy behind the language. Essentially they have in a sense declared war - if you are not for them you are against them and therefore you must convert or be destroyed. The missionary program of the church has not yet recognized that they have just run into Satan’s missionary program.
Sheri Dew is no longer president of Desert Book
I tried searching the content on Deseret Book's Website for this "course", found it, clicked on it, and received an error saying they couldn't find the page. Have they taken it down already?
Thank you so much for talking about these things. I have been praying for more light as to how to appropriately love those in the LGBTQ community. I have several in my family who identify as such. The spirit has taught me much today! Thanks again for all you do!
Hmmm, should I fly a Pride flag or Captain Moroni’s Title of Liberty?
@Sheri Champneys 👍🏼 Do you know anybody who makes the Title of Liberty flags? I did a cursory search but didn’t find them.
@Sheri Champneys I found a few options with this search: “title of liberty lds for sale”
The Title of Liberty flag is divisive and hateful, and has no place in the church! Oh, wait.
@Sheri Champneys I encourage you to make your own. That is what I did for FHE, our last one together before I deployed to Afghanistan. It will have more meaning to members of your family if you make it together like that. I had to abbreviate the words a little because my medium size BDU uniform was not big enough to fit a real man’s stature like Captain Moroni’s. But it is more dramatic if you tear it or cut it and use the back panel of the uniform like that. I have it still, I always will. Should I fall it will pass to my children.
@@beoneB1 I do cursory searches for my keys all the time but it never helps--I never find them either. I've been stuck in my house for five years now watching UA-cam. Seriously though, kudos to Greg. He's up there on a tightrope trying to figure all this out. Without a net I might add.
I’m sorry, but at some point don’t you have to ask how far up the org chart the cancer has grown?