Hey guys, thanks so much for making this video. I marched in the Cadets on 2000 and 2002. I am still in awe and appalled even 24 years later when people talk about the 2000 Cadets. It was definitely a highlight of my drum corps career. About that wave... I am the guy waving. This was something that wasn't always in the show and if I remember correctly a judge made comment of our hands not doing anything while someone else played on our horn. So we were in rehearsal and we asked Marc Sylvester and he yelled back across the field "Just Waveeeeeee!!!" And that's how that happened.
Hi, I was a 2005 member. Yes we all did the drum talk, but you are correct that not everyone was speaking it into mics. I believe there was 5 mics, for each solo(or duet) to be projected. And then at the end when everyone did it together, those same 5 mics were used to pic up the group, but naturally at that point the 5 people holding the mics were heard more than the others bc there were with closer proximity. The people holding the mics did have to battle audition to be selected, so they did have to speak clean diddles. LOL 😆
Both my high school band director and percussion instructor marched Cadets in the 90s. Although they are largely responsible for my perspective on music, I’ll always remember the lessons they taught me off the field more. They encouraged us to support our peers, treat others with respect, and always give 100%. I’m certain those lessons were instilled during their time at Cadets and I’m thankful for their willingness to share them with me. Thank you to Mr. Jahnke and Kmac for putting up with my shenanigans and investing in me! ❤️
….part of my youth is gone (contra ‘92). I only marched one year, but having gone to UMASS many of my friends / mentors also marched + instructed for The Cadets. Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Not to mention pushing broken buses at 2am. Builds character…
My private instructor Scott Clark marched snare from 87-91 and was centre snare for the last 2 seasons I believe. Legendary years as well as those early to mid 2000’s domination 🔥 The Cadets will forever hold a special place in my heart!
Drum set year was 1994 with Westside Story. I was a Cadet in 92 and 93, then marched Colts in ‘94 my age out year. I didn’t go back because of George Hopkins.
I marched Cadets in 1999 and 2000. I would have never imagined 24 years later that THIS corps would fold. Pretty devastated, but at least I have the memories (and videos). Thank you so much for this video. I'll forever be grateful for the experiences I've had and the friends I made marching Cadets. I still "step off" on the right foot to this day. FHNSAB.
The Cadets drum line has always had some beefy stuff under the McNutt years, but the 2016 feature was the first time I really got a sense of just how aggressive Colin could be with his writing, and he brought a lot of that aggression when he went to Boston. I love that feature so much.
Cadets 1983 was the first corps I ever heard while my band instructor played a tape in his car. I was hooked. Then the next year, a snare drummer from the Cadets showed up to run our line.
2005 Louisville show was my intro to corps. absolutely life changing for me. I'll always remember how much that tenor feature blew my mind. I marched with the twins, Jacob and Zach back in '09 at Memphis Sound. that summer was incredibly dysfunctional, and it was a literal miracle we made finals.. fast forward to 2013.. I see them throwing down with the one of the best lines there's ever been, getting that Fred Sanford, and aging gracefully on top. so proud of those dudes, great family
Don’t forget to use that google drive folder with a whole bunch of show since ‘74 for free, gotta go back and watch all the oldies in honor of the Cadets😞
I love how you began the podcast with 1987 (not just because I was born that year), because the 80s were, IMO, the most innovative decade in the activity, with Garfield leading the way. I marched 2007 and aged out in 2009. Great podcast episode!
Even 1 week later, it still feels raw. I aged out of CBC in the late mid 90's. FHNSAB means a lot to me, so much so that every sports jersey I buy gets lettered with FHNSAB and number 34. There's a hole in my heart for them being gone, what they did you get here, and the betrayal by the person I revered for so long.
My very first DCI show in person was Drums Along The Rockies 1993, which the Cadets won, and they really inspired me to end up marching the next year alongside them, as I was in the Colts. I have seen them in person almost every other year since then. I'll miss them horribly, FHNSAB
Cadets in 2014 is under the radar. It was the last year they made top 3; and if I recall, they never finished below 2nd all tour until Finals night when Coats passed them.
So sad all around…born and raised in NJ and my dad would always tell me about the “Garfield Cadets” once I joined the marching band…I never saw them in person…didn’t watch DCI until a few years ago on UA-cam and fell in love with all these bands. But wow Cadets have had so many beautiful shows…saddest part is that sexual harassment still exists and finds its way into the light…sorry to all the previous members. Thanks Cadets for all your years of entertainment!
Thanks for the memories to all who marched Cadets. First Cadets group I ever saw live was 95 and they were the class of the season. Not sure what the economy is going to do but I don't think they will be the last corps to fail.
I went to Wilson High School with Tom Aungst… so sad about the demise of the Cadets. I marched with the Reading Buccaneers in the early’80’s. I played Contra. Thanks for the walk down memory lane 😢
The first year of the multiple drum sets was 1994. I never got to see if they had a drum set for each person in the snare line. It was the 10 year anniversary of the “West Side Story” show they played in 1984. They used them in the part of the show that they played “Cool.” I thought it was interesting watching them play in unison.
Love the channel fellas! I was introduced to dci in ‘93 when the cadets won. I’ve been addicted ever since! And the snare player that dropped his stick in the beginning, yes, I’m friends with him! Hahaha. Keep it going fellas, and thanks for taking me back!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Re: 1993 Cadets vs Star. From a total corps standpoint, the judges had the placement correct and the margin of 0.1 was as close as was possible at the time. If the margin could have been 0.01, that might have been more appropriate. The crowd wasn't ready for what Star was putting out there. If any year deserved a tie, it was 93.
Sad. Greatest memory I have from the Cadets is owning one of the demon snares from the 2011 angels and demons show. Hopefully there is a comeback for the Cadets.
9:42 I sure miss the Pearl sound by the Cadets, btw, last season they marched Pearl before they ran into the arms of Yamaha. My top Cadets Perc moments in no order. 2013 Jeff Prosperie losing his mind 1989 Attack on Rue Plumet 1994 Tenors Judges Tape "Jesus Christ Quads" 2003 Cadets Drum Feature 2005 Cadets - Dancer in the Dark Ballad (As the battery is just ramming notes)
FYI, they installed the tiebreaker in 2001 (ironically, there was a tie for 2nd which stood). They used "ordinals," meaning ranking all the judges' final numbers with the lower score winning. I don't remember when they changed the rule, but there is no longer a tiebreaker. Incidentally, in the 3 ties, all the semifinal winners would have won with the tiebreaker: '96 BD; '99 BD; '00 Cadets.
It makes me wonder if another corps will either rise from the ashes or fill the vacuum left by Cadets. I always loved the 'straight-laced' style of the Cadets rather than the loose west coast style. Wish I could have been part of their org, but I never rose to that level.
Hi, I marched in DCI in 04 with SW! I was there in Indy in 05 as well! My favorite Cadets show was probably that year and maybe "Angels and Demons". Anyways, you had mentioned the Indy show was called a 'championship' or 'finals'. In fact, it was called DCI Midwestern Championships. I think from the mid - 90s (maybe late 90s) until 2006 and was held at the last weekend of July. It was in 2006, that DCI, Indianapolis, and what would be Lucas Oil Stadium to come to a multi-yearly agreement to host DCI Finals there starting in 08. So, what happened was that DCI decided to change a few things - the DCI Midwestern Championships was moved to Atlanta and changed the name to the DCI Southeastern Championships. Then, in 2007, the transitioned the schedule a bit to make the SE Championships in Mid-July for that year and Indianapolis would still have a show day but not as big (meaning not all corps would be there) and it would just be called DCI Indianapolis. Then, the follow year would be the first Finals in the new Lucas Oil Stadium - though that didn't happen and it was moved to Bloomington IN at IU Stadium for 08. During that time, SE (Atlanta) would bump up to be the weekend before the weekend of DCI Classic @ Allentown...and Finals the following weekend in Indianapolis. This is just a small point-of-view, but I remember going to DCI MW/Indy from 03 to 07 and being in there as a performer in 04! Plus, so many other shows, finals and so on!
2000 was the last time there was a tie for first place, but the most recent tie I can recall is actually from 2022 when Boston and Bluecoats tied for second place.
My computer against the Garfield Cadets back in 1960 and 1961 when I was a snare drummer for the Floyd Bennett golden eagles from Brooklyn New York. It was an honor to compete against them back then . In my opinion DCI is responsible for the demise of what was one of the greatest youth activities across North America. They have turned it into a marching band competition it's no longer a real drum and bugle Corps. More people attended drum and bugle Corps competitions than Major League Baseball at one time compare that to what's going on today.❤❤😂😢
I was wondering if you guys were going to make a video about this situation, baffles me that this is happening to one of the oldest corps around. RIP Cowbell Lots and Endless shots galore
Nothing baffling about it....they couldn't pay for the defense of the sexual abuse lawsuit after their insurer refused to do so. They had no choice, really.
@@samsignorelli I heard about that but wasn’t really sure how much of an impact that had on the downfall of the organization because I had read that it was an array of things that caused this situation to happen like poor money management over the years supposedly for example but I don’t know that full details 🤷🏽♂️
@@Barlos1210 The org was going to be on the hook for a shit-ton...and lawyers are expensive. The org wasn't exactly on rock-solid footing while recovering from Hop. it was a house of cards.
As an amateur Cadets and overall drum corps historian who’s been out of the game for far too long, let me correct and add some things both factual and personal, in chronological order: I’m of the opinion that Star lost 1993, they had a few poor percussive impacts that cost them on music effect and left the door open. The drum sets were 1995, Bill Bachmann was quad captain that season. 2000 was the first show that I ever saw online; I can still play the entire drum feature on snare and quads at tempo, including the quad solo on stands (you need three sets for that). 2005 was in fact the only show to not only win every caption, but every sub caption (every single judge had them in first). As for the vocals, there were actually separate vocal parts. Not everyone had all the articulation, some had only accents or other articulations. And yes, I can still play most of that feature on quads and snare (and vocals), at tempo, even after over a decade out of the game. Just goes to show how influential an organization can be on one’s personal life. And yes, I can confirm, those were the best rim shots ever. With that said, the drum corps chapter of my life was almost all the way closed, and with this video, I’m out for good. No more drum corps for me. Lastly, and completely off topic: last night I was given the set list from the DMB show in Hannover. Maybe I’ll see y’all at a show soon. Peace. -Lamar
93 has always been my favorite Cadets show (can't get enough Holsinger music, baby!) but I also love 2000, 2005, 92, 98, and 97 (my year.) Though I will say 2013 is growing on me. (I loved Star 93 too, so you can imagine.) FHNSAB
I marched end snare 2005 and can confirm; though I practiced on the bus all tour… fortunately the mic did not pick up the harder parts I was unable to articulate 😂 also if you guys haven’t already heard I uploaded the judge tape from the corps cd finals on my channel.
As a Blue Devil fan…sorry but not sorry because I definitely remember them beating BD 83-85 as BD won percussion via Float years. Then won again in 87!
If you look at 17:44 behind the guys with microphones, there are drummers standing there not vocalizing. They dut before they start playing, but that’s it. My guess is they only pulled the guys who could do it.
05 Cadets was not the first corps to win every caption -- that had been done several times. What they were was the first corps to win every SUBCAPTION, which is a bit different and very impressive. I would love to hear the drum speak actually played. I also think it would've been cool if the drummers not drum speaking had been air drumming that last vocal phrase behind the rest of them.
@@agedoutpodcast 76 BD to start. Yes, they lost some SUBcaps (4th in GE marching 1, 2nd in percussion 2, and 2nd in GE brass), but they won each OVERALL caption. This is even more impressive when you remember this was under the tic system. 05 Cadets were the only one to win every single subcap (and therefore, every caption). Other examples (all after the change from the tic to the buildup scoring system): 86 BD (subcaps lost, 3rd GE vizh, 2nd field brass, 3rd ens perc, 2nd field vizh) 89 SCV (subcaps lost, 2nd GE brass, 2nd brass perf, 2nd vizh perf) 94 BD (subcaps lost, 3rd ens music, 2 perc perf. A note that guard finally got their own points, but they appear to be stand alone and do not contribute to the final poverall score) 95 Cavies (subcaps lost, 4th brass perf, 2nd vizh perf) 98 Cadets (subcaps lost, 2nd both ens music and vizh...yet the points still tied them with BD for 1st in that caption, 2nd brass perf, 3rd perc perf) 02 Cavies (subcaps lost, 3rd Music perc) 03 BD (subcaps lost, , 3rd Music perc....same judge as 02, in fact)
I see what you’re saying. But I was referring to the caption awards. Like the award they give out for best overall percussion, best guard, best brass. In my looking 86 BD and 05 Cadets were the only two to win all the awards.
Also Michael I hope you didn’t have any tornado 🌪 damage on Tuesday! I know you live in Louisville Ky right? I know it was bad there and I think Cincinnati. Prayers for Louisville Ky and Cincinnati OH.
Quick twitch muscle fibers. 🤣Fun fact I just learned. Skyriders actually did a dual uniform look back in the 80s. Half the corps in all white and the other in all black.
DCI does not have a viable business model in matching the inflation rate today and the cost to join now is astronomical not when I marched in 90s the staffing cost and corps running in red and more will follow sadly - SCV dodged the bullet and just crazy one of the more prestigious/ oldest corps is gone
You never once mentioned, all the national championships that Garfield Cadets won prior to your arrival. You should do a little more research than know what you're talking about. John dowling, he is the person that developed back sticking and used it for the first time with drum quartet with the Air Force, drum and bugle Corps. Taking first place. May he rest in peace, and there were other great Roman structures Bobby Thompson, Eric Perillo, just to name a few. Garfield Cadets with generally in the top three best drum corps in the country, they won many many state championships both American Legion and VFW back when drum lines played real rudiments they weren't jugglers and they didn't play Rim shots all through the program. They were judged on exposure to, error, and execution . The drum lines today play nowhere near the complex difficult Parts as they did years ago they play very few rudiments today. The more concerned with visuals, head bobbing arms flaring all over the place. Real drunk whores marched in local parades at South Bay receives support from the community and then when they went to the Nationals they had 50 60,000 people attending not like DCI, barely hitting 20,000 it's not your fault you don't know the history of the activity you only know what you know from the day you got involved. Another major mistake DCI made they never encouraged kids to join a senior Corps after aging out senior course would better than Juniors at one time because all the experience came into a senior Corps. I was a member of the Long Island sun rises 1964 through 1968. It's unfortunate for the activity we didn't have all the technology to record, past history with the exception of Records. Local diners and soda shops had drum and bugle Corps recordings, you can put a nickel or a dime or whatever the price was and listen to your favorite drum and bugle Corps. I started to learn how to become a snare drummer when I was taught by the cadets from West Point I was a Cadet at Mount Saint Joseph Military Academy they would come over on weekends and teach us both drumming and bugling check into the history, of the activity, it won't hurt you it'll enhance your comments❤❤❤🎉
Tragic that a 40+ year old accusation can destroy an organization that I’m guessing none of the accused parties have anything to do with currently. Waiting four decades is inexcusable under any circumstances. Unless they have strong forensic evidence, both parties have a difficult task in presenting compelling evidence. On another, far less serious note, I absolutely HATED the verbal drumming on mic. Some of the things pushed by The Cadets and more specifically, GH, really helped to ruin DCI for me and many others.
The primary defendant is deceased, i think. And the effects of sexual abuse last a lifetime...don't minimize the damage that was done to her....she was only 16 at the time.
@@samsignorelli That’s a feel good response, but to what end? The defendant is dead so there’s no potential justice there. Even if he was alive, there is no way to offer a defense for a 42-year old alleged incident. The only ones hurt by this are current and future members, alums, and fans. This person has lived an entire lifetime and only now felt it was time to say something? At some point, you just have to understand that the opportunity is over. Lashing out now hurts only the innocent. And ironically destroyed the very entity she was trying to hold accountable, so they aren’t even going to be present to be the representative of long gone staff members. I do feel for anyone who was legitimately wronged, but seeking justice at a time when that is no longer remotely possible, while leaving a path of destruction along the way, is fruitless.
@@silvermineband2719 Her incident, however, was not the only one....remember Hopkins and the cases against him? Not all of those were decades ago, either. It appears to be almost institutionalized behavior....not a one-off incident.
This was caused by rape culture. The people who committed these acts are the cause of this, NOT the victim. It sucks that this is how Cadets were brought down, but too many people in so many different organizations in our society have gotten away with things like this for far too long.
@@TheRailwayDroneOh please, literally not ONE PERSON accused is being impacted by this. Creating more innocent victims doesn’t serve justice. It doesn’t do anything except destroy. Talk to former Bills punter Matt Araiza about how false accusations can destroy a life. He was at least fortunate that the accusations came within a reasonable amount of time so that he could actually defend himself. There isn’t a person on Earth that can defend themselves from a 40+ year old accusation. There can be no justice possible for either side over such a span. The only thing this accomplishes is a perceived pound of flesh for the accuser. It’s not justice and it harms many uninvolved people for today and future generations.
Gonna need a lot of beers for this one
Cheers
Only the cadets could make a show about christmas in the summer time entertaining. Activity won't be the same without them.
I was in the snare line 89-91. The first kevlar Cadet snare lines. I owe Tom and Thom more than I could ever hope to repay.
Hey Matt Power! My UMass brother! - Chris Perna
Yo Chris!!! "Fellas...that ain't it." "Bass...I didn't write diggaga-blah" Or the always in fashion "Figure it out"! Lol. Good to see you here, man!
@@BulletHeadDrums Yessir! I hope you're well. I'll drop you a note with my contact info.
Hey guys, thanks so much for making this video. I marched in the Cadets on 2000 and 2002. I am still in awe and appalled even 24 years later when people talk about the 2000 Cadets. It was definitely a highlight of my drum corps career.
About that wave... I am the guy waving. This was something that wasn't always in the show and if I remember correctly a judge made comment of our hands not doing anything while someone else played on our horn. So we were in rehearsal and we asked Marc Sylvester and he yelled back across the field "Just Waveeeeeee!!!" And that's how that happened.
Oh wow! I love stories and tidbits like this. Those little things make incredible moments even more magical. Thank you for sharing!
Is this Leo???
In 1987, I stood right there in front of the xylophone during their victory run at finals.
Hi, I was a 2005 member. Yes we all did the drum talk, but you are correct that not everyone was speaking it into mics. I believe there was 5 mics, for each solo(or duet) to be projected. And then at the end when everyone did it together, those same 5 mics were used to pic up the group, but naturally at that point the 5 people holding the mics were heard more than the others bc there were with closer proximity. The people holding the mics did have to battle audition to be selected, so they did have to speak clean diddles. LOL 😆
Also, Cadets 15 deserves recognition !!!
Wow!!!! 2000 Cadets Drumline is Awesome!!! Man the Tenors are crazy good!!!😎😎😎👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
87 is so enjoyable to listen to. Could have let it play out and ended the video with nobody complaining. Truly a classic.
Both my high school band director and percussion instructor marched Cadets in the 90s. Although they are largely responsible for my perspective on music, I’ll always remember the lessons they taught me off the field more. They encouraged us to support our peers, treat others with respect, and always give 100%. I’m certain those lessons were instilled during their time at Cadets and I’m thankful for their willingness to share them with me.
Thank you to Mr. Jahnke and Kmac for putting up with my shenanigans and investing in me! ❤️
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They were the best!
1991 Cadets front ensemble is still one of the best of all time. And 89 Plumet Attack is one of the best percussion features ever.
I marched in the snare line 88-91. Some amazing (as they all are) Aungst years!
Marched Cadets ‘82…. I can’t believe…. Just like that, they are gone!!
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….part of my youth is gone (contra ‘92). I only marched one year, but having gone to UMASS many of my friends / mentors also marched + instructed for The Cadets. Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Not to mention pushing broken buses at 2am. Builds character…
My private instructor Scott Clark marched snare from 87-91 and was centre snare for the last 2 seasons I believe. Legendary years as well as those early to mid 2000’s domination 🔥 The Cadets will forever hold a special place in my heart!
I marched next to him for 2 years!
@@BulletHeadDrums that’s awesome! You guys were all beasts! ❤ 🇨🇦
Drum set year was 1994 with Westside Story. I was a Cadet in 92 and 93, then marched Colts in ‘94 my age out year. I didn’t go back because of George Hopkins.
I first saw cadets in 2013 and finally made my way there and marched 2019 with HB. Definitely sad to see this happen
As a cadets alum… can we get every bassline in DCI to do the HB visual?
Cavalier bass alum here. Many of us are huge Holy Bass fans. I can neither confirm or deny that we have already been discussing exactly that.
@@discochickendo it! I know you have a Holy Bass alum in Cavies this year 🙂
I marched Cadets in 1999 and 2000. I would have never imagined 24 years later that THIS corps would fold. Pretty devastated, but at least I have the memories (and videos). Thank you so much for this video. I'll forever be grateful for the experiences I've had and the friends I made marching Cadets. I still "step off" on the right foot to this day. FHNSAB.
The Cadets drum line has always had some beefy stuff under the McNutt years, but the 2016 feature was the first time I really got a sense of just how aggressive Colin could be with his writing, and he brought a lot of that aggression when he went to Boston. I love that feature so much.
The Cadets influence is permanently etched on DCI-visual, guard, brass, and percussion. DCI is what it is today because of The Cadets.
First show i ever saw was Cadets 95 and i was hooked. Going to miss this group so much. FTC(but said with love)
I was HB#6 in 2011. Hard to accept that The Cadets is gone, but I’m thankful we have all of these videos cemented forever. Thank you for this video!
It’s so sad. All because of some false allegations from some women.
@@drummersnare6276they aren’t false. 🙄🤦♂️
@@brianjungen4059 how do you know?
@@drummersnare6276 🙄
@@drummersnare6276 is that you George?
Dang bro we’re gonna miss them… they have a have a special spot in my heart…
Cadets 1983 was the first corps I ever heard while my band instructor played a tape in his car. I was hooked. Then the next year, a snare drummer from the Cadets showed up to run our line.
2005 Louisville show was my intro to corps. absolutely life changing for me. I'll always remember how much that tenor feature blew my mind.
I marched with the twins, Jacob and Zach back in '09 at Memphis Sound. that summer was incredibly dysfunctional, and it was a literal miracle we made finals..
fast forward to 2013.. I see them throwing down with the one of the best lines there's ever been, getting that Fred Sanford, and aging gracefully on top. so proud of those dudes, great family
Still can’t believe it. So sad to see them go.
Gonna miss seeing a right foot step off marching band group now that Cadets are gone😢
Dang it Fantini and Worrel I got go back and rewatch these Cadet shows!!! Cadets were BD’s Kryptonite😢😭😢😭 I need a beer 🍻 now!
Don’t forget to use that google drive folder with a whole bunch of show since ‘74 for free, gotta go back and watch all the oldies in honor of the Cadets😞
Saw the 2000 championship show. It was so good. So sad to see them go.
cadets came to my high school in 2011 before i went there, i heard the basses repped a chunk of the show countless times until it was clean
I love how you began the podcast with 1987 (not just because I was born that year), because the 80s were, IMO, the most innovative decade in the activity, with Garfield leading the way.
I marched 2007 and aged out in 2009. Great podcast episode!
They were the first top 5 corp i saw live when i was first introduced to the activity in 2021. Life changinging
Even 1 week later, it still feels raw. I aged out of CBC in the late mid 90's. FHNSAB means a lot to me, so much so that every sports jersey I buy gets lettered with FHNSAB and number 34. There's a hole in my heart for them being gone, what they did you get here, and the betrayal by the person I revered for so long.
😢 agreed. Definitely an irreplaceable void in the activity.
Seeing Evan's face light up during the 2000 show ❤
Like a kid on Christmas! Never gets old.
93 tenor solo was a game changer
loved the line using 4 mallets
Loved the first clip you showed, my first year in Garfield - spotted me & my friends. Lifelong friends more like brothers & sisters to this day ❤
BD Tenor Line in 09 was unbelievable! In my opinion probably their next Tenor line although 90 BD Tenor Line was great as well 😎😎😎👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
My very first DCI show in person was Drums Along The Rockies 1993, which the Cadets won, and they really inspired me to end up marching the next year alongside them, as I was in the Colts. I have seen them in person almost every other year since then. I'll miss them horribly, FHNSAB
Cadets in 2014 is under the radar. It was the last year they made top 3; and if I recall, they never finished below 2nd all tour until Finals night when Coats passed them.
So sad all around…born and raised in NJ and my dad would always tell me about the “Garfield Cadets” once I joined the marching band…I never saw them in person…didn’t watch DCI until a few years ago on UA-cam and fell in love with all these bands. But wow Cadets have had so many beautiful shows…saddest part is that sexual harassment still exists and finds its way into the light…sorry to all the previous members. Thanks Cadets for all your years of entertainment!
Thanks for the memories to all who marched Cadets. First Cadets group I ever saw live was 95 and they were the class of the season. Not sure what the economy is going to do but I don't think they will be the last corps to fail.
Lots of friends in these clips, gents. RIP Cadets. FHNSAB
I went to Wilson High School with Tom Aungst… so sad about the demise of the Cadets. I marched with the Reading Buccaneers in the early’80’s. I played Contra. Thanks for the walk down memory lane 😢
So much of my HS Band drills were “based” from the 84-85 shows.. As a BD fan, the opening of the 85 show is ONE IF MY FAVORITES..
Thank you for this great tribute. I am heartbroken by the news.
The first year of the multiple drum sets was 1994. I never got to see if they had a drum set for each person in the snare line. It was the 10 year anniversary of the “West Side Story” show they played in 1984. They used them in the part of the show that they played “Cool.” I thought it was interesting watching them play in unison.
Love the channel fellas! I was introduced to dci in ‘93 when the cadets won. I’ve been addicted ever since! And the snare player that dropped his stick in the beginning, yes, I’m friends with him! Hahaha. Keep it going fellas, and thanks for taking me back!! 👍🏻👍🏻
2011 , 2013 the cadets drumline video Series with Tony Teleky , the clean 2023
Re: 1993 Cadets vs Star. From a total corps standpoint, the judges had the placement correct and the margin of 0.1 was as close as was possible at the time. If the margin could have been 0.01, that might have been more appropriate. The crowd wasn't ready for what Star was putting out there. If any year deserved a tie, it was 93.
no 2015 is criminal
Thank you for the tribute gentlemen. I marched 97,99, and 2000 mellophone and really appreciate your videos
Thank you! 🙏
Sad. Greatest memory I have from the Cadets is owning one of the demon snares from the 2011 angels and demons show. Hopefully there is a comeback for the Cadets.
Rip cadets u will be missed😢
9:42 I sure miss the Pearl sound by the Cadets, btw, last season they marched Pearl before they ran into the arms of Yamaha.
My top Cadets Perc moments in no order.
2013 Jeff Prosperie losing his mind
1989 Attack on Rue Plumet
1994 Tenors Judges Tape "Jesus Christ Quads"
2003 Cadets Drum Feature
2005 Cadets - Dancer in the Dark Ballad (As the battery is just ramming notes)
FYI, they installed the tiebreaker in 2001 (ironically, there was a tie for 2nd which stood). They used "ordinals," meaning ranking all the judges' final numbers with the lower score winning. I don't remember when they changed the rule, but there is no longer a tiebreaker. Incidentally, in the 3 ties, all the semifinal winners would have won with the tiebreaker: '96 BD; '99 BD; '00 Cadets.
The classic Tim Maynard point in the 2000 Cadets.
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It makes me wonder if another corps will either rise from the ashes or fill the vacuum left by Cadets. I always loved the 'straight-laced' style of the Cadets rather than the loose west coast style. Wish I could have been part of their org, but I never rose to that level.
Hi, I marched in DCI in 04 with SW! I was there in Indy in 05 as well! My favorite Cadets show was probably that year and maybe "Angels and Demons". Anyways, you had mentioned the Indy show was called a 'championship' or 'finals'. In fact, it was called DCI Midwestern Championships. I think from the mid - 90s (maybe late 90s) until 2006 and was held at the last weekend of July. It was in 2006, that DCI, Indianapolis, and what would be Lucas Oil Stadium to come to a multi-yearly agreement to host DCI Finals there starting in 08. So, what happened was that DCI decided to change a few things - the DCI Midwestern Championships was moved to Atlanta and changed the name to the DCI Southeastern Championships. Then, in 2007, the transitioned the schedule a bit to make the SE Championships in Mid-July for that year and Indianapolis would still have a show day but not as big (meaning not all corps would be there) and it would just be called DCI Indianapolis. Then, the follow year would be the first Finals in the new Lucas Oil Stadium - though that didn't happen and it was moved to Bloomington IN at IU Stadium for 08. During that time, SE (Atlanta) would bump up to be the weekend before the weekend of DCI Classic @ Allentown...and Finals the following weekend in Indianapolis. This is just a small point-of-view, but I remember going to DCI MW/Indy from 03 to 07 and being in there as a performer in 04! Plus, so many other shows, finals and so on!
Ahhh that’s right! That all makes sense now, with the shift and Lucas Oil contract, etc. Thanks for the additional input!
2000 was the last time there was a tie for first place, but the most recent tie I can recall is actually from 2022 when Boston and Bluecoats tied for second place.
True!
Ray Scott was my HS Drum Line instructor. He was center snare in the mid 90's.... This is rough news for sure.
My computer against the Garfield Cadets back in 1960 and 1961 when I was a snare drummer for the Floyd Bennett golden eagles from Brooklyn New York. It was an honor to compete against them back then . In my opinion DCI is responsible for the demise of what was one of the greatest youth activities across North America. They have turned it into a marching band competition it's no longer a real drum and bugle Corps. More people attended drum and bugle Corps competitions than Major League Baseball at one time compare that to what's going on today.❤❤😂😢
Yall should get Pat McHale on for an episode
I can’t believe it!! I go back to Garfield @World Open 1976 (11 Titles)
RIP. 😢✊
I was wondering if you guys were going to make a video about this situation, baffles me that this is happening to one of the oldest corps around.
RIP Cowbell Lots and Endless shots galore
Nothing baffling about it....they couldn't pay for the defense of the sexual abuse lawsuit after their insurer refused to do so. They had no choice, really.
@@samsignorelli I heard about that but wasn’t really sure how much of an impact that had on the downfall of the organization because I had read that it was an array of things that caused this situation to happen like poor money management over the years supposedly for example but I don’t know that full details 🤷🏽♂️
@@Barlos1210 The org was going to be on the hook for a shit-ton...and lawyers are expensive.
The org wasn't exactly on rock-solid footing while recovering from Hop. it was a house of cards.
As an amateur Cadets and overall drum corps historian who’s been out of the game for far too long, let me correct and add some things both factual and personal, in chronological order: I’m of the opinion that Star lost 1993, they had a few poor percussive impacts that cost them on music effect and left the door open. The drum sets were 1995, Bill Bachmann was quad captain that season. 2000 was the first show that I ever saw online; I can still play the entire drum feature on snare and quads at tempo, including the quad solo on stands (you need three sets for that). 2005 was in fact the only show to not only win every caption, but every sub caption (every single judge had them in first). As for the vocals, there were actually separate vocal parts. Not everyone had all the articulation, some had only accents or other articulations. And yes, I can still play most of that feature on quads and snare (and vocals), at tempo, even after over a decade out of the game. Just goes to show how influential an organization can be on one’s personal life. And yes, I can confirm, those were the best rim shots ever. With that said, the drum corps chapter of my life was almost all the way closed, and with this video, I’m out for good. No more drum corps for me. Lastly, and completely off topic: last night I was given the set list from the DMB show in Hannover. Maybe I’ll see y’all at a show soon. Peace. -Lamar
Fun fact: In 2011 the drumline had to relearn a ton of drill on tour because of injuries and the uniform integration of white-red-white-red
93 has always been my favorite Cadets show (can't get enough Holsinger music, baby!) but I also love 2000, 2005, 92, 98, and 97 (my year.)
Though I will say 2013 is growing on me. (I loved Star 93 too, so you can imagine.)
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I marched end snare 2005 and can confirm; though I practiced on the bus all tour… fortunately the mic did not pick up the harder parts I was unable to articulate 😂 also if you guys haven’t already heard I uploaded the judge tape from the corps cd finals on my channel.
As a Blue Devil fan…sorry but not sorry because I definitely remember them beating BD 83-85 as BD won percussion via Float years. Then won again in 87!
84....mmmmmyyyyyy ppprrreeeecccciiiiooouuussssss....
And you're correct.
If you look at 17:44 behind the guys with microphones, there are drummers standing there not vocalizing. They dut before they start playing, but that’s it.
My guess is they only pulled the guys who could do it.
Steve Campbell(BD 84-86) my hs drum instructor said if you can sing it you can play it!
Marched with him in 84.
And wait....Steve SPOKE?? He was always so quiet.
@@samsignorelliSteve only spoke when it was necessary he gave looks that said: clean it up! And we did and quick I might add! A Legend for sure!
@@garylagstrom3864 I only rememebr a few sentences when we worked at McDonald's in 84....then again, his rods spoke for him!
05 Cadets was not the first corps to win every caption -- that had been done several times. What they were was the first corps to win every SUBCAPTION, which is a bit different and very impressive.
I would love to hear the drum speak actually played. I also think it would've been cool if the drummers not drum speaking had been air drumming that last vocal phrase behind the rest of them.
I didn’t see the other groups who one every caption when I looked. What years were those!?
@@agedoutpodcast 76 BD to start. Yes, they lost some SUBcaps (4th in GE marching 1, 2nd in percussion 2, and 2nd in GE brass), but they won each OVERALL caption.
This is even more impressive when you remember this was under the tic system.
05 Cadets were the only one to win every single subcap (and therefore, every caption).
Other examples (all after the change from the tic to the buildup scoring system):
86 BD (subcaps lost, 3rd GE vizh, 2nd field brass, 3rd ens perc, 2nd field vizh)
89 SCV (subcaps lost, 2nd GE brass, 2nd brass perf, 2nd vizh perf)
94 BD (subcaps lost, 3rd ens music, 2 perc perf. A note that guard finally got their own points, but they appear to be stand alone and do not contribute to the final poverall score)
95 Cavies (subcaps lost, 4th brass perf, 2nd vizh perf)
98 Cadets (subcaps lost, 2nd both ens music and vizh...yet the points still tied them with BD for 1st in that caption, 2nd brass perf, 3rd perc perf)
02 Cavies (subcaps lost, 3rd Music perc)
03 BD (subcaps lost, , 3rd Music perc....same judge as 02, in fact)
I see what you’re saying. But I was referring to the caption awards. Like the award they give out for best overall percussion, best guard, best brass. In my looking 86 BD and 05 Cadets were the only two to win all the awards.
27:10 I'm gonna miss seeing that vis. ❤
Agreed.
Also Michael I hope you didn’t have any tornado 🌪 damage on Tuesday! I know you live in Louisville Ky right? I know it was bad there and I think Cincinnati. Prayers for Louisville Ky and Cincinnati OH.
Fortunately no storm damage for either of us. Some areas nearby had some significant loss. Thank you 🙏
Very sad to see them go. It seems like a very bad dream. It's just not right.
Was there a guy named Eric who played tenors cadets 88-91?
So, how many Cadets flams have been played between 1934 and 2023? Please find transcripts and get back to me.
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I march Cadets in 1992
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BAC 22 is this generations Cadets 13.
Close! I think the demand was without question. Just never quite got as consistent as Cadets 13.
Quick twitch muscle fibers. 🤣Fun fact I just learned. Skyriders actually did a dual uniform look back in the 80s. Half the corps in all white and the other in all black.
You’re talking about Sky Ryders 1987. They did West Side Story that year. Field percussion wore gray.
first 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Started with the z pulll
Iconic!
@@agedoutpodcast indeed I marched murauders 91 know all about folding went off too the miltary school of music a year later
EAST COAST
NO ANGELS AND DEMONS?!
We did talk about Angels and Demons. Right after we talked about 08 and before 2013. Couldn’t forget that one!
DCI does not have a viable business model in matching the inflation rate today and the cost to join now is astronomical not when I marched in 90s the staffing cost and corps running in red and more will follow sadly - SCV dodged the bullet and just crazy one of the more prestigious/ oldest corps is gone
Absolute favorite Cadets show and one of the best closers out of too many to name! ua-cam.com/video/PxY7hrtviqY/v-deo.htmlsi=KYiKvDqGWjdNJhyH&t=466
Such a great one! I’ll never say Star didn’t deserve to win in 93. But I’ll also never say Cadets didn’t deserve to win in 93.
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You never once mentioned, all the national championships that Garfield Cadets won prior to your arrival. You should do a little more research than know what you're talking about. John dowling, he is the person that developed back sticking and used it for the first time with drum quartet with the Air Force, drum and bugle Corps. Taking first place. May he rest in peace, and there were other great Roman structures Bobby Thompson, Eric Perillo, just to name a few. Garfield Cadets with generally in the top three best drum corps in the country, they won many many state championships both American Legion and VFW back when drum lines played real rudiments they weren't jugglers and they didn't play Rim shots all through the program. They were judged on exposure to, error, and execution . The drum lines today play nowhere near the complex difficult Parts as they did years ago they play very few rudiments today. The more concerned with visuals, head bobbing arms flaring all over the place. Real drunk whores marched in local parades at South Bay receives support from the community and then when they went to the Nationals they had 50 60,000 people attending not like DCI, barely hitting 20,000 it's not your fault you don't know the history of the activity you only know what you know from the day you got involved. Another major mistake DCI made they never encouraged kids to join a senior Corps after aging out senior course would better than Juniors at one time because all the experience came into a senior Corps. I was a member of the Long Island sun rises 1964 through 1968. It's unfortunate for the activity we didn't have all the technology to record, past history with the exception of Records. Local diners and soda shops had drum and bugle Corps recordings, you can put a nickel or a dime or whatever the price was and listen to your favorite drum and bugle Corps. I started to learn how to become a snare drummer when I was taught by the cadets from West Point I was a Cadet at Mount Saint Joseph Military Academy they would come over on weekends and teach us both drumming and bugling check into the history, of the activity, it won't hurt you it'll enhance your comments❤❤❤🎉
Tragic that a 40+ year old accusation can destroy an organization that I’m guessing none of the accused parties have anything to do with currently. Waiting four decades is inexcusable under any circumstances. Unless they have strong forensic evidence, both parties have a difficult task in presenting compelling evidence.
On another, far less serious note, I absolutely HATED the verbal drumming on mic. Some of the things pushed by The Cadets and more specifically, GH, really helped to ruin DCI for me and many others.
The primary defendant is deceased, i think. And the effects of sexual abuse last a lifetime...don't minimize the damage that was done to her....she was only 16 at the time.
@@samsignorelli That’s a feel good response, but to what end? The defendant is dead so there’s no potential justice there. Even if he was alive, there is no way to offer a defense for a 42-year old alleged incident. The only ones hurt by this are current and future members, alums, and fans. This person has lived an entire lifetime and only now felt it was time to say something? At some point, you just have to understand that the opportunity is over. Lashing out now hurts only the innocent. And ironically destroyed the very entity she was trying to hold accountable, so they aren’t even going to be present to be the representative of long gone staff members. I do feel for anyone who was legitimately wronged, but seeking justice at a time when that is no longer remotely possible, while leaving a path of destruction along the way, is fruitless.
@@silvermineband2719 Her incident, however, was not the only one....remember Hopkins and the cases against him? Not all of those were decades ago, either.
It appears to be almost institutionalized behavior....not a one-off incident.
This was caused by rape culture. The people who committed these acts are the cause of this, NOT the victim. It sucks that this is how Cadets were brought down, but too many people in so many different organizations in our society have gotten away with things like this for far too long.
@@TheRailwayDroneOh please, literally not ONE PERSON accused is being impacted by this. Creating more innocent victims doesn’t serve justice. It doesn’t do anything except destroy. Talk to former Bills punter Matt Araiza about how false accusations can destroy a life. He was at least fortunate that the accusations came within a reasonable amount of time so that he could actually defend himself. There isn’t a person on Earth that can defend themselves from a 40+ year old accusation. There can be no justice possible for either side over such a span. The only thing this accomplishes is a perceived pound of flesh for the accuser. It’s not justice and it harms many uninvolved people for today and future generations.