Incestuous tradition of House Targaryen explained.
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In all practicality, though, you *really* don't want several dozen Houses with access to dragons. The power balance would be completely screwed up
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There were 40 dragon lord houses in valyria. Imagine 40 families like the Targaryens in a single city, especially if we consider that the Targaryens were some of the less powerful families
@@b.k.5667 That's why it was known as a Feud or an Oligarchy. It was those 40 families that ruled Valyria. So this families intermarried only among themselves to presever their blood that allowed them to bind dragons. At some point after 1000 years of Valyrian dominion, all 40 families were very much extremly closely related to each other.
@@b.k.5667they would also be some in the various City States
@@b.k.5667Damn
In old Valyria, it was actually only the Dragonlords that practiced incest, kind of an exclusive privilege as it was believe that thier bloodline was bonded to dragon and that the purer thier blood, the stronger was their connection to the dragons.
This dragonlord status is what Jaehaerys used to justify exceptionalism and it's also why Westeros was far more opposed to Lannister incest than they were to Targaryen incest.
So essentially-
One had "legit" reason for it and magical tie in bloodline that even with religious differences, some of westerous understood the reason, just didn't like it.
Unlike the Lannisters who were just nasty and proved the prompt drawbacks to such unions (deformities, genetic madness, low or difficult births). Even the guy hidden away by the wall that R@ped his daughters was only allowed as he was far off from civilization even in the North and proved a use.
Even in ancient Egypt only the Pharaohs could do these kinds of Union. The plebs were prohibited from this practice.
Damn
@@khadyadjisall5708The more you know..
@@Jon14141 human history is fascinating.
The marrying cousins and marriages between uncles and nieces and aunts and nephews was something that happened with a lot of other noble families too. It’s just the brother and sister marriages that were considered incestuous. No one, not even the Targaryens ever married father to daughter or mother to son and the same is true of grandparents and grandchildren.
Yes but Inbred children just ain’t it. You gotta have genetic diversity
Remembering of course, that this is a FICTIONAL family. It doesn't really exist.
😂
There's a guy in Georgia who married his grandma. Not, like, trying to argue or anything. It's just that this comment reminded me of this knowledge that I'd managed to forget. But since I know about it, you have to as well. Because sharing is caring.
@@sylvirgiomanach1491😂😂thank you so much, why’d I have to get hit with the stray bullet of this information
@@sylvirgiomanach1491😂😂
I think the obsession with blood purity is a hint at how dragons work in this world. Dragons probably can "smell" the dragon blood in Targaryens due to some ancient Valyrian blood magic beastiality or whatever the hell they did back then. Blood may be as important to dragons as it is to Valyrians.
This is the most simple and best conclusion
That's the best short answer! IMO, that's why Drogon knew Jon was a Targ.
Maybe thats why Dany and Jon were so into each other hahha
It's funny how incest got to be one of the last holdovers of Valyrian society. They had slavery and sorcery as well, but they weren't as able to transport it over to Westeros. The incest is likely a holdover of their sorcery, helping to monoplolize binding dragons to an exclsuive bloodline.
More like medieval genetics then sorcery
Every character does much more horrible things that incest seems tamer in comparison lol
@@jeambeam3173 How do you know it wasn't sorcery back then as well?
@@Jamilajahankhushbu Incest was the subject brought up.
The fact that there are so many horrible acts in ASOIAF that incest gets dismissed is pretty horrifying.
@@MegaKnight2012 I am recently reading the books and on almost every 2 chapters I am more and more shocked at how tamer the show is compared to the books.
This is nothing more "noble" than greed and stinginess. Royal incest is a way of keeping family fortunes and genetic advantages (like being able to ride a dragon) to themselves instead of constantly worrying that "lesser" families are going to get a piece.
Rather that than bobby b riding a dragon
Indeed
Better than creating a potential rival by giving dragon riding children via one of your daughters.
or preventing that every family had a nuclear bomb what do you think would happen to the realm if all the big houses had dragons
Also did you just say greedy and stinginess? Umm... Sir/ma'am, it's not stinginess to prevent the circulation of nuclear missles.
It was also to keep outsiders who aren’t Valyrian from having the power of taming dragons and overthrowing a Valyrian family. Like what the Targaryens learned the hard way when King Viserys married a Hightower and the Hightowers tried overthrowing the Targaryen royal family with a civil war.
Unironically, their tradition of incest made perfect sense and even worked. The goal was to maintain control over the kingdoms by maintaining control over dragons, which they believed to be linked to their bloodline. Spreading that blood to other families created the risk of that family gaining dragonpower and challenging the Targaryan dynasty, which is exactly what happened when House Hightower effectively managed to do so, inciting the Dance of Dragons.
I believe it is not just about not wanting to share power. Targs were willing to share it when they need to, like forming an allience with Dorn, if it was necessary. And there are Targs who were married out of Targ dynasty, like Queen Aemma's mother. If I remember corectly, King Robert's granma was a Targ too.
But if you keep marrying with other families, the valyrian blood will be diluted to an extent that no man/woman would be ever able to bond with a dragon again. If you consider how Targs believe in the propecy, losing their dragon power would be unacceptable for them. If they lose their dragons, how were they to save the humanity from doom.
This was a reality a few thousand years ago in the real world.. some tribes and cults followed this.
hundreds actually most famously the Hapsburg family
At some point it was more common since there was alot less people in the world, and needing to reproduce. Of course, now it is no longer necessary.
This why the doom took they ass out
😂😂 so true
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Anyone who build an empire on top of 14 active volcanoes is doomed from the start , regardless of their customs and traditions !
😂😂😂 this made me cackle
Good riddance
Which reflects part of history in royalty in the real world.
Can you give us a key word? I'd like to read
@@doumissurdora Look up Royal intermarriage, Royal in family marriage.
@@redshed2020 will do. Thank you!
Cousin marriage and uncles and nieces yes but Brother and sister at least in european royalty never happened neither was approved by society.
@@doumissurdora ahem , Tutankhamen .
How they didn't end up with Habsburg jaws I have no idea
This is about a series. Not a factual show... look up game of thrones, phenomenal show!
@@daniellejustine8485 Yes, I know.
@@daniellejustine8485 Habsburg jaw was the result of incest from a royal family. His comment serves as a reference to history.
It's heavily implied they have some magic on their blood as Valyrians. However, every few generations some monstruous children were born, like Daenerys and Rhaenyra's. Also, their propensity for madness may also be hereditary
The mutations and diseases of babies that were born from incestuous relationships were different depending on the type of mutations running in the family gene pool. Some incestuous families had mutation that caused difficulty in blood clotting, other families had polydactyly, certain type of non Akon dwarfisms, and so on. Also there are recessive mutations that will be inherited without having to be a product of incest like the case of certain types of albinisms.
Here in the south its the hills have eyes 😅
its weird but its a wise thing cause it wont open the door for other houses to weild dragons
No. Boinking your sister is NOT "wise." It's asking for deformities and madness. "Whenever a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
@@jennat776Incest is disgusting in real life. However if we are talking about asoiaf universe, then there is no record of a single deformed child being born in the Targaryen family. Coin flip and madness statement is false if we actually look into every individual Targaryen.
@@akashjefeJaehaerys the son of Aegon II was born with extra fingers and Toes and while not a Targaryen Maelys Blackfyre was born with a extra head?Face? thing sticking out of his neck.
This also ignores the fact that Targaryens seem to have a problem with stillborn babies some of which are described as deformed so I imagine that’s likely caused by all incest.
Also Targaryen madness is likely caused by the inbreeding as well.
@@akashjefe Spoken like someone who didn't read the books. Remember what happened to Rhaego? Deformed and stillborn. If you read Fire & Blood, there are multiple deformities and stillbirths. Rhaneyra's only daughter was a dead lizard-baby.
@@jennat776omfg enough with damn coin quote 💀 there are maybe about 5 targs that could genuinely be considered “mad”, and even that is stretching it
Also in the royal houses of europe.
And that lead them to many disabled people, many case of craziness or foly and soo many "monsters" hide or killed with very rare disease or low iq people.
Same goes in some mormon families....
Don't play with Nature like that, cause even male animals have to go outside their group to not mate with their Mother or sisters
And Africa
@@Kat-zi2tb the moral of the story: the nobles head goes on the pike.
Cousins yes but brothers there is not only case that this happened just in Africa royalty that was common brother and sister marry specially in Egypt
Its kinda worrying how us, asoiaf fans, are not even bothered by literal incest anymore and many of us are cheering relationships like Daemon x Rhaenyra on as if he isnt her literal uncle. Wth is wrong with us...
Desensitization lmao
More worrying, people talking like this is a real family.
@@kate1269what do you mean? An action or character can't be wrong because it isn't real? Would seem to take the relevance completely out of storytelling.
We??? 😅
It’s a TV show rooted in fantasy. Idk about anyone else- but if I knew someone was out there actually marrying incestuously, I would *NOT* be cheering them on. We need to focus on why nobody batted an eyelash that the very real *Queen Elizabeth II* married her *NAZI COUSIN,* Prince Phillip Mountbatten.
What I think is pretty weird about Targaryen incest is how many of them seemed legitimately into it, especially the brother/sister pairings. In the real world nobility that this is (heavily) borrowed from, I could see uncles having lust for the nieces they were set to wed, but for the most part these were arranged marriages with massive age discrepancies. Also sibling incest was very rare, even in the days of Blue Bloods. There's just way too many Targaryens actively wanting to bone their siblings and I think it's strange.
Well you made some good points but I think the focus of the siblings being lusting for each other is really some weird fantasy from the writer of the series
@@marinagarcia3453agreed. I think it’s the writers nasty fetish tbh.
Well, it could be this. If you can remember S1 of GoT how Viserys looked at Daenerys, like eye-effing her. This could be bcz Targaryens were royals, and sorta isolated from commonfolk plus most of female Targaryens I have heard, are beyond beautiful. They're sorta raised together so...
How else can we keep the audience shocked and engaged! Dragons are sooo 2022...
Let me guess Targereon incest relationship don't end in deformation Bc of Dragon MAGIC, but if Normal people tried it, their descendants would be like Spanish Royals
And this could have been perfect for Jon and Danny to be together but the writers decided she should become a mad queen instead, we could have had a perfect union that ruled the 7 Kingdoms with Respect and Honor
I disagree. The power her dragons gave her was bound to corrupt her at some point. Not many people can handle being an Absolute Monarch over everyone without becoming rotten in the process. She became corrupt before she even won the Seven Kingdoms, burning alive anyone who even questioned her entitlement to Absolute Power.
Daenerys may have abhorred slavery, but she used it when it suited her agenda. Therefore, she was just another greedy, power-drunk hypocrite who would happily have slaughtered a million babies to get what she wanted, which wasn't much. Just everything and everyone.
@@jennat776 Stupid logic. Having 3 dragons didnt corrupt Aegon on his conquest nor all the 5 generations prior to him all the way to Aenar and Daenys, that lived on dragonstone with a monoply of dragons and total power in their hands.
Her being corrupt is one thing, and killing innocents just because, which is the exact opposite of her own personality is another. She spent 7 season caring for the weak in society (to almost going to put herself and her quest in danger for a sngle life) to simply obliterate logic for shock value and burn a whole city with innocents to be queen of ashes. Great logic! lol It doesnt make sense its the total obliteration of the "Break the Promise" with the audience. Why care for her arc if it leads no where? Its a basic literary/story telling principle.
She never used slavery wtf. She freed slaves and told them to follow her if they so wished. So they followed her and she freed them thus why called "Broker of Chains" and why her servant Missandei says "She's not the queen because she's the daughter of a king we never knew, she's the queen we chose"... this alone literally obliterates your entire argument. So no she wasnt a hypocryte. She was a character botched by D&D because they wanted shock and wanted to end quickly to go work in disney. They themselves said it. And definitely Daenerys would not have this end in the book. It goes exactly against the "Prophecy" of the undying.
Jon was raised a Stark. He won't have touched her with a ten foot pole. If you look back in the books. Danny's dive into insanity is clear. She's 14 and slowly going crazy. Thanks to all the people around her.
@@Alejojojo6 The point is Daenerys has had little to nothing in her life. She has had no stability or proper self identity. She got three large dragons at this point. Or did have, we have no idea. What will happen in Winds. As its likely not ever coming. GM is 75 or so now. His time is running out quickly. Its just fact, not malice. Suddenly having a lot of power, vs having been a scared hurt young girl. Is not a good set up for her mental health. Its very much a reality that she's going to snap. Remember Jon was raised a Stark by Ned. He has a completely different mind set. He was not raised to think incestuous marriage is ok.
@@TraciPeteyforlife the books are not yet finished and they have no replication in the books post season 4, Danny might be losing her sanity but it’s because she’s so set on conquering Aegon experienced something similar but he had his sisters/wives to help him this is what Danny needs and in the show we she her finding it in Jon but bad writing and rushing an ending resulted in that plot along with many others falling through
Yeah then they ran into Maegor The Cruel
Brother + Sister marriages date back to the ancient Egyptians...it just means George knows his history and incorporated it into his books.
Dates back to as in "it was done one place more than 2000 years ago" though 😂 Not as in "we've done it for ages and still do it"
@@monmothma3358 You ain't about marrying your sister? Umm, get with the times pleb! 🫠
Dates back farther than that.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Yeah, the Bible mentions that Adam and Eve had three sons -Cain/Abel/Seth. If they were the first humans on Earth I'll let you figure out who the sons hooked up with to have babies with.
I seen history of that marrying their daughter 😬 or their mom or dad.😵
This aspect of House Targaryen is inspired by the House of Habsburg, particularly from the 16th and 17th centuries, and most notably the lineage that ruled Spain. The Habsburgs, as well as many other royal families across Europe, focused on keeping royal lineage within the established royalty; marriage within families, or at the least marriage between royal families, was extremely common.
The House of Habsburg took this very seriously throughout all their royal families to keep their lineage pure. The Habsburgs of Spain took this to the extreme. Habsburg rule in Spain ended with the apparent infertility of Charles II, a result of rampant inbreeding; he died without issue in 1700, sparking the War of Spanish Succession.
Yes but the brothers marriage was not a thing in the habsburg house and has more to do with ancient Egypt.
I think Martin was inspired by the Ptolemaic dynasty for the Targaryens
And then Maegor the Great with balerion the black dred changed the faiths mind😅
Egyptian pharaohs be like
That's why people love game of thrones 😂😂
Who are those platnum haired girls ...they are so ethereal .
Probably used AI
That's why Viserys would have probably had no choice but to marry Rhaenyra to Daemon had not Daemon been first married to the Bronze Bitch of Royce house by the Old King. Daemon had every right to be angry about it since it was the tradition of Old Valyria
She was known to be barren, so being forced to marry her was some kind of punishment for Daemon.
@@jennat776 how was Rhea known to be barren? Was she married before?
It was just dumb as they already had blood ties to Aryn why not marry Daemon and created blood ties to say the North which doesn't exist at all yet or the Reach etc
@@jennat776this isn't anywhere in the book or it the show . In the book Daemon was married to Rhea at the age of 14, she couldn't be much older, so how would anyone know she was barren? Not to say that she probably wasn't, Daemon just didn't like her and never lived with her.
@@anastasiadenisova5767 I'm starting to suspect I might have (unintentionally) pulled that detail from my backside. Sorry!
so why did jon snow blow a gaskit finding out danny was his aunt after sweating her for so long?
danny should've been some mutated goblin is what you're saying
Quick reminder:
THIS IS FICTION PEOPLE.
Characters, every one of them, FROM A BOOK.
As in MADE UP.
Reading some of these comments.... WOW!
😂
People can still be appalled by incest in fiction 😂
I don't know why. Religion make it weird. Actually it's ok.
Really, i will ask my lovely female cousin to marry me. Then she will run out of the house. Wow.
@@UmbraFulgur🚨🚔👮♂️
Well look what happened with Jon. A mixed blood targaryen can't be trusted. They have access to both the dragons as well as the power of the other house of either the father or mother and if a Targaryen turns against the blood of the Dragon a war of Dragon's happens which could lead to the downfall of both houses as well as innocent lives in the way
So the history of how dragons came about is directly tied to the Targaryen's and their blood is special in the sense that that is how they are able to create bonds with them so they at least had a legitimate reason to keep the blood lines pure as abhorrent the practice was.
Looks Like Alabama💀💀
You beat me to the punch with this joke.😂
Fr this family said sweet home Alabama 😢😅😂
This is from GOT
I suspect that there is some sort of magical bindings in these sorta relationships. The lannister twins are just cosplayers without the zest ✌️
Some of comments on this video are hilarious 😂
The be fair, they have a very valid point. The dance of the dragons proves what happens when theres too many lines and other families get involved and get dragons of their own. In the world of game of thrones the targs are right, at least to the point of keeping dragons to themselves, even if it might make them mad.
My family decsends from the Borgias of Italian infamy. I don't need to say anything more. I'm too modest to say more.
The story of Royalty.
It's also common in old Italian coustom for grandpa to ensure that the soon to be wife to Chek that she is a virgin so guess who the daddy really is
Actually in south India, marrying cousin or uncle is still prevalent. They rather marry off daughter to keep property and culture within same family.
I never felt this is taboo till I grew up and came to city.
average crusader kings 3 playthrough:
I mean, I get it when they do it because they actually have dragons, but this was actually pretty common for a while in royalty and I just find that gross
And were they confused when their kids came out with 10 heads and webbed feet?
Apparently the producers had no clue when they cast black valyrians lol
And this is what Daemon believes, therefore he didn’t like his marriage and was upset at his brother for marrying Alicent
looking at you Spain lol
Jamie and his queen sister weren't tygerion, and they didn't mind having sibling relationships! Even having babies together....
And, that's why they were reprimanded. Haven't you seen that yet?
So... And?!
@@raizahasmath5580they were reprimanded by jealous hateful fucked up people worried about money that's all. Once one has accepted Jesus sin does not exist and NOT recognized. Love covers sins who the fuck are any of you to tell Christ whom he can or can not love?! Where two or more are gathered... The Only ones that have problems with other people's business are those who are denied and ass hurt because they do not want to accept Christ and receive love. Their fucking problem.. May not be for you but I don't see how it's any ones fucking business. Id rather have happy loving unifying God fearing Peaceful people even if they are incestual rather then fighting hateful fucked up judgemental evil trouble causing threats of people sticking their noses into people's business where they don't belong trying to keep love apart
Tygerion? You mean targaryen?
That foundation has 2004 vibes, it's orange 🤣 ahhh my high school days 🤣🤣🤣
did you realize this is only fiction? in real life this tradition is unacceptable
... it's how most royal families in Europe, Asia and Egypt stayed in power. Did you not learn anything from history class?
Someone didn't pay attention in history class
They still do it in pakistan and other muslim countries to the point they prefer cousins. It ruined the Hapsbergs and killed many of the royals with hereditary illness.
In the countries they regularly marry cousins they hide all the disabled away from view.
I remember reading up on a king/patriarch ruler/noble who was born with a cleft lip and had a limp, among other physical (maybe even mental) disabilities. His family was filled with incest as they strongly believed relationships between familial members was the way to keep their bloodline pure.
Bro was not living a quality life, even if he was rich.
@@kingdionysus1867that must be Charles II, last Habsburg on the Spanish throne. If you look closely on the Spanish-Habsburg family tree, you'll find several cousin to cousin and uncle to niece marriages.
Those with the biggest dragons make the rules
Zeus probably hand a hand in it…
Targarian reminds me of Tartarian...
Westeros: We condemn incest!
Tywin: I wanna marry my cousin
Westeros: Aight, go for it!
Uncle-niece and aunt-nephew marriages were also acceptable, at least among the followers of the Old Gods. Those unions happened among the Starks.
Habsburg family says hi
Reminds me a lot of Alucard from the Hellsing anime.
Illuminate mind set
Narrator: Did you know..
Me: I know.
For a real-world example of this, look up the Hapsburg dynasty. I think Martin was inspired by this for the Targaryen's. And, somewhat, the Lannister's as well
More accurately, the dynasties of ancient Egypt or the Thai royal family who actually married sisters to brothers.
That one guy outside the wall did not give a shit about the fate😂
*Dirr Yeth dirr!*
Imagine if the Haspburg's had access to dragons...
funny how a fiction tribe is being talked about like they really exiated
It took me way too long to realize this isn’t a history short.
Medieval Europe 1510-1700
Kind of brings the Hapsburgs to mind. That European royal family practiced incestuous intermarriage for quite a while. With deleterious effect. (Look up "Hapsburg jaw" in Wikipedia)
I wonder if this storyline is based on the historical house of Habsburg. They intermarried more than they didn’t. They also wanted to keep their line pure. Uncles/nieces, aunts/nephews, and half-siblings. If you’ve never heard of them, look up Charles II of Spain. The most inbred monarch ever. His story is a sad one.
Obviously it could also be inspired by the Egyptians.
There is no half siblings marriage in House Habsburgs only the others and it was common for all royal houses of Europe for Cousins to marry so i think that’s not the case more a Ancient Egypt thing to marry siblings.
“I’m your sister, I’m your sister”, if you know you Know!
So.... Jaime and cercie was pardon?
No, they just hid their incestuous relationship and unalived anyone who discovered the truth.
then u woke up n there's no dragons ever
Not me and my ppl's business *retreats*
It was a tradition and faith and required to maintain the bloodline. We can't raise question on it because of myth or fiction whatever you call it.
Growing up thinking your cousin was hot thinking you're weird but then finding out your adopted its still physically wrong but it makes it less disgusting that it passed through your mind
So they been doing the Alabama shuffle before it was called that😂
same here in saudi arabia uncle can marry a niece a cousin can marry a cousin even just a relative they can marry to them
Were did you get that from? Uncles can’t marry nieces 😂
Same reason Springfield went to war with Shelbyville.
I would love to see a video on 'Just how inbred was House Targaryen' and what kind of birth defects they would realistically be showing, the way some people have done with some of the royal families throughout history.
I dont actually think incest in Valyria itself was that common. Pretty sure the books never mentioned it. At least not siblings.
If you think about it, why would incest be needed there? The dragon lord families would inter marry to keep dragons blood and form alliances, like actual fuedal societies.
To me, the reason the Targs committed to incest was because of the doom. They couldnt marry other dragon lord bloodlines because there werent other dragon rider families left. They were the last and relied on dragons for thier power.
That's why their children sometimes comes out different..
Well to be fair... they are f'n hot
Yeah that’s the fantasy fetish element the writer added, but in real life these people would look like the Habsburg family who also practiced incest. Nothing hot about it 🤢
Loved that you used Daredevil's soundtrack here!
No sibling boom boom, that bad.
Is there any material on Old Valyria that's Canon
The family of stray kids FELIX 😄
Gotta keep that hair white somehow
The Habsburg special 💀
Did you know that the House of Habsburg died out precisely because of such inbreeding? The only difference is that the Habsburgs existed in real life and the Tygaryens did not.
The Hapsbergs never committed sibling or parent-child incest, and the occasional uncle-niece marriage was uncommon and only in the final few generations. Generally they married first or second cousins like every other house at the time
Imagine you go to ask a girl out and she's like nah I'm dating my brother and uncle.
West Virginia had adopted this practice years ago.
Married a secondhand wife bless her brother
There was conflict but Aegon got a pass for his house.
The Habsburg married families but never brother and sister
But ptolemes marry their sister
Kissing cousins was usual in the real world too, infact its what has spread recessive genes like colored eyes and it's not genetically as bad as society now treats it. It doesn't become an issue until you do it over multiple generations
I don't think the practice was common in Valyria.
Only after the Doom, and the Targaryans fled to Westeros, did they start to inbreed in an attempt to maintain the purity of the bloodline.
I'll admit that I could be wrong on this point, but I'm fairly sure it was only once other Valyrians were gone that these people became afraid of losing their hold over dragons.
Martin has said in the Lore that ancient Valyrian noble families practiced incest, which the Targaryens were one of before the Doom.
Egyptian royalty history.
sick
It’s comical how incest was producing these kids with perfect features lol. But then there is something spellbinding about the whole idea. George blows my mind on a daily basis.
Bro you where this close to getting your hole life claped 😂😂😂
That's why the Targaryens are cray cray.
Ah, family stroke...
The whittakers be like:
If this was true then the fire worms that have several appendages are probably the Valerians true form and the old magic they had is what kept them human looking. Just a baseless theory but makes sense.