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Can Fuel Stabilizer Kill Your Motorcycle? Comparison Test
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2020
- We find answers to all of your fuel stabilizer questions, so sit back, relax and soak it in. [Links below]
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"Like a dog park after the snow melt, there's a lot of shit."
Top notch writing right there.
Brevity, that’s some tight shit.
Bah wah hahhahah!! F9 is great.
Lived in Ottawa for four years. Forget the dog park, every single snowbank was game. Gaaaarrrrooooossssssssss!!!!
That was great!
“Canada box”
Another fun video from FortNine. I always enjoy Ryan's work. As a chemist that has spent a few years working in the lab of an oil refinery doing product R&D and process control I see a couple of problems with the methodology used in the video. The most glaring is that it is mostly based on the assumption that the addition of ethanol in gasoline is the sole reason that gasoline degrades and causes problems during long-term storage and misses the main point of fuel stabilizers, which is to prevent oxidation of petroleum molecules. None of the stabilizers claim to protect metal fuel tanks.
Petroleum hydrocarbons react with oxygen and ozone resulting in the formation of polymers that are typically called "varnish" when they show up in fuel systems. These polymers are not very soluble in gasoline and settle to the bottom of carb bowls and clog filters and injectors.
Varnish and foul-smelling old gas are not as much a problem today as they used to be, with or without adding stabilizers. Today's gasolines contain a combination of detergents and anti-oxidants and are much more stable with age than they used to be. One might argue that the need to add a stabilizer to gasoline is no longer needed in much of the world.
Ryan and many others believe that filling the tank with non-ethanol gasoline is the solution for long-term storage. With or without ethanol, all gasoline in the developed world is required to contain oxygenators to reduce pollution. So, ethanol free gasoline contains a different oxygenating chemical, you just don't know what it is.
There is no safe and quick way to test the performance of fuels stabilizers. Oxidation takes time and if you try to rush it with flammable liquids you’re literally playing with fire. A real test would be a set of vented containers with various fuel stabilizers added to gasoline and let them sit for a year. After the year is up give them a sniff and pour them through a paper filter to see how much, or how little varnish is formed.
Methyl iso butyl ether.
What a terrific explanation! You might be the smartest man I've ever seen in a UA-cam comment section!
This is the highest quality comment on this video, unfortunate to see only 47 people read and appreciated it, while thousands rally at the circle-jerk comments.
I don't get your point, at the end he said that fuel stabilizers help with oxidation, but the main problem comes from the water in the system and the freezing of said water in the gas tank. All of which can be reduced by simply not buying gasoline with ethanol.
This is an interesting comment though, and I do see some issues with the video methods, but both have potential pit falls. ***I'm not a chemist, but I do have quite a bit of real world experience with carbbed and FI bikes. I think there's different issues depending on how long you're storing fuel for, so you really need to focus on what you're trying to solve for. Long term fuel storage, varnish is an issue, short term, water absorption is an issue. Both could be an issue. I haven't had issues with metal gas tanks, so modern fuel and additives seem fine in that regard. From experience, modern fuel doesn't agree with carbs for storage (drain the bowl!) I assume this is an evaporation issue, maybe someone can chime in on that. I haven't seen many problem with FI bikes other than high performance injectors may plug with older 10% ethanol fuel. I can't buy ethanol free fuel, so no comment there.
My biggest takeaway is a confirmation that yes that Indian still looks pretty nice.
And is relatively affordable
Model?
As a small engine mechanic, I always recommend ethanol-free premium with Sta-Bil if a machine will sit for more than a month. Caveats are that it must be filled up when there is very little fuel with ethanol left, and it must be run long enough to get throughout the system. On some bikes, that means quite a few miles if they have a sub-tank where the fuel pump lives. Also, get fuel from a station that has dedicated nozzles for each grade, or the first gallon (in the hose) will be whatever the last guy bought...possibly E10.
Funny part is that I bought sta-bil thinking it was a crap fuel stabilizer since I bought it at home depot, rather than a bike shop, thinking "its better than nothing". I guess I just thought low of it since it was next to the lawnmowers. Lawnmowers are also prone to the same corrosion from storage. They are just smaller engines.
I learned something from your post. Dedicated hose for each grade is important when it comes to a small tank. Thsnk you
Using premium for this purpose is a waste, never use premium in lawn equipment. It costs much more and serves zero purpose. The higher octane cannot be utilized by ANY lawn and garden equipment and serves no purpose for better storage. As a "small engine mechanic"you should know that.
On motorcycles use ONLY the octane grade that the owners manual calls for. The purpose of higher octane is to allow for more ignition advance, giving a longer burn time for each powerstoke, creating more horsepower. Any engine without knock sensors CANNOT take advantage of the higher octane.
Frequently, ethanol is used to RAISE octane in modern gas, lowering the BTU value of premium. Regular gas is more volatile, contains more energy by volume. Putting premium in engines that can't utilize the the higher anti-detonation qualities of premium is a waste, not beneficial in anyway.
@@joemann7971 Any vehicle you own, that doesn't get driven enough to completely burn out all the stored fuel in a month, should be using stabilizer. I drive my pickup less than 2k per year. I always keep Stabil 360 in it, year around.
@@clipofthedayyup4907 Almost all non-racing bikes run very well on regular. There is no concern for street bikes.
Ryan and Aneesh deserve all the 1m subs and more, can't believe 2 guys make all this happen.. Brava gentlemen 👏🏼
I don't even own a motorcycle and love their vids!
A niche? Who’s that
@@nabob14 well then, buy a bike and join the fun! Start with a Tamiya model in have to...
@@Fee.1 the cameraman/director
You can't believe 2 guys made an educational video about... fuel stabilizer? Seriously?!? You REALLY need to raise your standards. And 1 guy makes this happen, Ryan provides mostly solid useful substance.
Aneesh’s cinematography & editing is a benchmark on this platform. I’m saying this as a content producer. And Ryan’s hosting is too. Next stop - 2 million lads!
Also of course Ryan's Writing.
IMO, Ryan's solid research and substance is what makes these videos good. I would still watch Ryan even if he filmed this on his phone with a selfie stick and so would you. All these pretentious artsy fartsy filming and editing tricks are starting to become inappropriate, tiresome, distracting, and very very repetitive. Fire the Michael Bay Film School grad, and hire an animator to draw diagrams.
@@James-dh1ji nobody asked you opinion I guess 🙄. Though Ryan's explanation is at next level, Aneesh's skills to are top notch.
So stop your mindless thoughts about editing and filmography
@@manishholla Nobody asked you for your opinion either, yet here you are in all your hypocritical glory. I'm getting Transformers flashbacks, and that's not a compliment. I guess some people can be easily dazzled by colors and flashing lights. To each their own, enjoy.
@@James-dh1ji I detect a trump victim
I am grateful of this channel. Not product placements, just facts. The content has no rival. Thank you very much.
Yes, and Project Farm is pretty good at testing products.
I don't use Seafoam as a stabilizer, as we ride year round here in Florida - but I do run it through my tank every once in a while. When I bought my used, low mileage, but older Shadow 750, the carb was a bit scuzzy - and two tanks of fuel didn't improve it much. But adding 6 ounces of Seafoam to the 3rd tankful did the trick in about 100 miles - no more off the line stumble or hesitation. No, I wouldn't leave it sitting in my tank over a winter, as I've heard of the oxidation issue, but as a fuel injector/carburetor cleaning treatment, I think it's a pretty good product.
Came to stabilize my thoughts
Wasn't disappointed.
1 millions out of 10
Ethanol will stabilize my thoughts...
I learned a lot and was thoroughly entertained throughout - top marks guys, great great work as ever.....you set the benchmark for professional motorcycle content.....bravo!
I agree, but you, sir, on the other side of the Atlantic have a very interesting UA-cam channel as well. In this Covid depressing period, watching motorcycle videos is a real pleasure. :-)
@@Baudesign Indeed. Two motorbike channels I'm subscribed to. Utter pleasure to watch them both.
Thankfully us in the UK can get ethanol free from ESSO, so long as your not in Devon/Cornwall and you buy the premium stuff.
@@samuellon7128 Unfortunately Scotland also does not get Esso ethanol free, which is rather annoying
UK has the advantage that the fuel there isn't the shit mix you often get in N.America.I once saw my fuel lines (marked gas line) on my T140 turn into slimy jello after filling up at a 76 gas station. The answer for all canadians and americans is simple. Fill the tank, in the fall, with marked boat/farm gas. It is ethanol free and high octane. Illegal for highway use of course but infallible as a winter storage fuel.
A video on adjusting suspension and what preload, damping, etc is would be great! I understand how important proper suspension set up is but have never owned a bike with adjustable suspension to do it myself. Love the channel!!
Tons on the net. I suggest Dave Moss videos.
Can’t believe you guys can make such artistic videos out of those technical, rational, cold topics ! Good job once again 👍🏼👍🏼
The fact you only just hit a million subs is mind blowing you consistently make incredibly well made interesting videos on great subjects keep up the good work Ryan and f9 team
A million bikers is mind blowing imho.
Depends on country...in India that would be less than a city🤪...kidding...they are beyond words...
Congratulations on a million!
Thanks 👍
Whaatt? Just realized he'd been sub-1M all this time.
@@MrSkinnyWhale what
@@ungefeiert yeah
What is amazing with F9 that his huge meritoric content is inversely proportional to the small number of kilometers he makes in his vlogs :)
This is amazing. It's crazy how little (useful) information there is on this stuff. Love the home-chemistry experiments, but it blows me away that this analysis hasn't been done professionally and published... I'm sure people have and then have lawsuits dropped on them by these stabilizer companies.
your "Canada Box" needs some defrosting - excellent presentation as always
Two weeks of Canadian summer
I live in Canada. My ride is an '06 BMW K1200R, which I've had since new. My winter storage is an unheated, drafty barn. My storage prep: fill the tank to tippy top with high octane gas; remove the battery and put it on the battery tender. Spring start-up routine: replace the battery; insert the ignition key and press the start button. Result: instant start and smooth idle. This has worked the same every year for 14 winters, which have gotten as low as -30 degrees C. Sometimes for weeks on end.
Fuel stabilizer? I don't need no steenking fuel stabilizer! (Hat's off to Mel B.)
Me too!! 🇨🇦
What about flat spots? Do you roll it ever so often?
Similar conditions, and similar routine. Change oil, clean bike, lube chain, top tank with non-ethanol gas, connect battery tender to onboard connector, place bike in a Zerust motorcycle storage bag.
Other's have commented that most premium (high-octane) gas in Canada is ethanol-free (which is not true in the US), so if you're unwittingly storing your bike with ethanol free gas, you're already following Ryan's advice
@@myrse7en I use to roll my stuff, but ended up getting stands..if you can't stands, you can put down a layer on the floor..even getting the tires up off the cold cement will help. But if you want to save money and do the cheapest thing but will help, yes you can roll it around or back and forth every few weeks. Inflate the tires to just above max pressure helps a little too
Best UA-cam motorcycle channel around, I watch even if I don’t care about the subject, production and writing quality is through the roof.
Wipe your face.
I stored my bikes on the 30th with Sta-bil. just made me feel a lot better about my choice.
Same here. It’s been 2 months now. 2 more an Im hoping she starts up like new.
Used that for over thirty years. Its proven.
Take it with a grain of salt, but Chevron's take on fuel stabilizers is " Chevron gasoline can be stored for a year without deterioration when the storage conditions are good - a tightly closed container, moderate temperatures, and out of direct sunlight." And then there's Shell's addendum "...as long as the premium purchase is more than 10 litres, the total sale will be "on-spec for octane and meet the 91 AKI standard," adding that Weights and Measures Canada approved the use of "single hose blender pumps" many years ago." YT here burns ethanol free AKI 94 fearing loss of traction on wet west coast winters over gummy gas. BTW, Bravo to the FortNine video team!
I seriously thought this was a project farm video at first.
That is an EXCELLENT " let's called out the bullshit of these products and see the reality without being rude about it" channel. That dude sounds like Kermit the frog, but he definitely deserves more subs too.
@@motoryzen true. we need more vids like this. Exposing bs ads and giving us the proper product to use
As did I
So did i :D
@@motoryzen go and visit AVE. There is no bullshit there. Lost of 😂
I'm renaming my freezer to "The Canada Box."
P.S. - Congratulations on 1 Million well-earned Subs (you deserve 10x that for the quality, information, and entertainment you put into your videos).
"The Minnesota Box" would also work lol
LOL Okay leg humper
Used Stabil on my XR250 during winter storage for the six years I owned it. Fired up perfectly every Spring. The engine never had a fuel related no-start.
Excellent testing. I long ago learned that Stabil worked on my stored equipment better than trying to drain/run the engine dry. When they switched in my area from MTBE to ethanol I started having a lot of problems come springtime. A few years ago I tried ethanol free gasoline and the last couple of storage seasons that is all that I've used. And the last couple of springtimes have been uneventful (at least as far as fuel systems go). I still have a few carbs I need to tear down and rebuild and my ethanol-poisoned gasoline recovery will be complete.
Heck Yeah Man!! I don't even know what Fuel Stabilizers are but I'm all for it!!
Gas goes bad over time. Fuel stabilizers attempt to extend that time.
Basically, there are many different compounds in gas, and some evaporate quicker than others and some absorb water, leaving a different, generally more viscous mixture than what you put in your tank. This mixture can rust metal, clog your fuel system, and cause engine knock (lower octane rating).
@@GasGrassOrAssetto great work explaining what Ryan just explained in the video. SMH
The production value of these videos never ceases to amaze me. The delivery of quality data while also providing well thought and entertaining screen plays is second to none. Keep up the good work F9.
I only ever stored engines with either nothing, seafoam, or star. Star was the only product that caused my engines not to start the following spring. Very interesting tests, nice work.
This is the only channel that I watch on normal speed because I want it to last longer and it's the only channel that I re watch videos over and over every couple of months not because I forget the info just because they are a joy to watch. I watch it for the excellent cinematography crazy good stories and Ryan's voice. Also....I don't ride a motorcycle.
The editing on your videos is unbelievable. Keep up the great work
That’s Aneesh Shivanekar with the superb camera work & editing production. TeamF9!
Can you believe it's just Ryan and Aneesh that make it all happen
Still waiting for the review of that Indian FTR...
Same!
Same
When it comes to bike that he personally owns, he usually waits until he's thrashed it a bit before reviewing it
It died. Watch the video.
I thought that was last week, in the last minute.
I believe in the fuel stabilization properties of 2-stroke oil. I have personally let a bike sit for 5 years with ethanol premix in the tank, and it still ran nicely and the rubber crank seals were a-ok. It also stops rust in steel tanks by making everything oily.
A few years ago we went riding with 11-year-old gas in a Maico 440, and that resulted in it being a bit down on power in the midrange and some weirdness in the throttle response. 11 YEARS!! Only once have I had gas so old that the bike was unrideable, from a can that the old man included with another Maico. I don't even want to think about how old that must have been. Stock gas!
Such an entertaining way of going about these actually super useful videos. I would have loved to have seen a secondary control with ethanol free gas just for reference sake as a comparative.
Great story, but the best solution is live in Australia where we say - What is this winter storage thing you speak of :)
I know lol
U really have no winter there ? I mean, atleast in december-january, is like freaking cold or something ?
@@MotoVio They live in the southern hemisphere, so it should be juli-aug then?
@@MotoVio as above the seasons are reversed so december/january is freaking hot! very few areas see snow in Australia, only really above 1000m or 3000 feet for you yanks. If you are in the northern states you will be fine, southern (the colder) states some people choose to shelve their bikes. I often ride to work in 0-5 degrees C which should be 32-40ish F, we don't salt our roads and city areas don't ice up so layering up is what we do :)
I consider anything under 20°C really cold
The most underrated motorcycle channel. You guys deserve a lot more subscription.
Bro he has 1.01 million subs lmao
i dont see how its under rated.
S
@@adityasingh3331 Powerdrift has more followers with BS videos which looks like commercials dude.
Most motorcycle channels don't get too big so his at 1Million subs is pretty good for a motorcycle channel. Now if it was a make-up channel then 1M subs is underrated 😐
Interesting. I've used Sea Foam in every combustion motor I have had and have always considered it one of the reasons I've had so little trouble
Same here. But I also use ethanol-free gasoline almost exclusively. Only in my Tacoma do I run ethanol gas, and even then I'll run the tank to empty before filling back up with ethanol-free. And the truck gets ethanol-free gas exclusively throughout the fall and winter, due to ethanol gas having a higher freezing point(temperature). Motorcycle, ATV, and all small engine equipment gets ethanol-free gasoline exclusively, especially 2 stroke engines. The fastest way to kill a 2 stroke engine is to run gasoline in it that contains ethanol.
Really well made thank you Sir ! Nevertheless let me share my own one time experience and the many times experience of a friend. This fall (mid-november) for the first time I used fuel stabilizer to store our 2 motorcycles. Today, January 30th, I started both bikes which are stored in a non-heated shelter (-5 inside, measured) to verify if any battery would need a charge. Both started the easiest way I have witnessed after a long and cold storage, especially my Tiger 800 which could be rather temperamental on that "first start". The stabilizers I used were Yamaha and KleenFlo. Now for my friend, who was a manager of a motorcycle driving school. For motorcycles they usually encounter rather few problems on the "spring start", somehow for the scooters, the ones that didn't get a fuel stabilizer before storage are usually a burden to start. Unfortunately I don't know which brand of stabilizer they use. That's all I can say, some don't seem so good as demonstarted in this video, but in my experience and my friend's one, some look like they are rather useful. Good luck everybody !
I always run ethanol free gas in my bike and lawnmower/snowblower. Then I use Stabil for storage and never have a problem .
I felt like I don't deserve this much quality content❤
good
Ryan, huge kudos on the video and the storytelling, you guys rock! I used and abused my bandit for 10 years and 60,0000 miles without even a sniff of anything other than 95 octane. I guess I won’t change my ways but I learnt a thing or two as I do every time I watch one of your videos 👍
I just recently discovered this channel and have been watching a ton of videos.
I also just bought a new bike yesterday that was delivered and they advised me to put some fuel stabilizer in it since it will be sitting for the rest of winter (duh! I thought, though I appreciated their concern for my bike).
I used sta-bil and was silently panicking while rooting for it the whole time the video was playing😂
Wow that intro!! So grateful we have this beautiful videos in the motorcycling community!!
I've used Stabil in my motorcycle that was stored for two years when I lived overseas. The motorcycle still started when I returned. However, I siphoned out as much fuel as I could and put fresh gas to dilute whatever was left.
Best solution I can come up with is to siphon drain the tank or run it dry, doesn't matter what fuel then. Although rust might be a bigger problem then
@@imthedarknight-8755 Get some fogging oil. Douse the inside of the tank. Either let it burn off when you fill the tank with fresh gas in the spring, or if really paranoid, flush the tank.
I do the same, use the siphoned gas in the lawn mower. Replace bike with new gas.
Never watched this channel before and Im blown away by how good this is. I will be back for another!
Sta-Bil has been my go to choice and has been for roughly 25 years now. It has worked in everything from lawn equipment to vehicles with carbs or fuel injection. Seafoam I use only for cleaning out injectors and fuel systems and such, never for storage.
"...keep our hands out of Saudi Arabia's pants" GOLD. This channel is amazing and I dont even have a bike.
So true
Soon
For the last 22 years I've filled my bike with high octane fuel and the whole bottle of Stabil. Rode it home to let the Stabil reach the carbs and parked full of fuel on paddock stands it in a dry garage (dehumidifier) with fresh oil in the sump, teaspoon of oil in each cylinder then cranked, new spark plugs and a Battery Tender. 30k miles and 22 years pulled the engine and carbs apart to do a bigbore kit and head work. Not ONE spec of rust, varnished fuel or corrosion ever. The tank is immaculate and the engine has virtually no wear. Oil was changed religiously 1000k miles or 12 every November with synthetic Silkolene. I park it at the first sign that salt will be put on the roads and fire it back up 3 good rainstorms past the final winter salting. My snow blower gets the same treatment and is 17 years old.
Sounds like you spend more time and money servicing and preserving than riding lol
I'd hazard a guess that your rigorous overwinter procedure and the high octane fuel (which has no ethanol, at least in UK for now) has more to do with the lack of rust than any additive you are throwing in the tank!
@@ntdanny its a mixed bag. I enjoy wrenching as much as riding.
@@MrWesty500 my garden machines get the same treatment but are stored outside in a shed. They are just as good. My use of Stabil in high doses never left me with stale fuel come the spring. I've seen lower doses of Stabilizer not work.
60000 miles on my triumph, ride it all year, don't bother with any of that, just clean it when it's dirty, service it when the manual says to. No problems, it's a vehicle, use it
Everything you've discussed happened to me. I hope not the rusting but bike would not start with stabil, if only I shook the tank to mix it prior to. I normally only do it during adding but now will shake the tank to help mix on first start after long storage. Your science explanations are a heaven sent.
I'm impressed with the effort that went into that video. WELL done! Chevron 94 octane has NO alcohol. Also another option is drain the tank and run some synthetic gas into the system which (supposedly??) is VERY stable and should prevent start issues in the spring. The other option is to move to Vancouver where you can ride basically year round - again very clever move Ryan.
Actually here in B.C. Chevron 94 does have ethonol. That's what gives it the high octane boost. 91 ethonol free.
And as of now, all Chevron gas has ethanol.
"...dog park after a snow-melt..." You kill me, Ryan! Thanks for the objective examination into the world of snake-oil additives. I can at least now make an 'educated' choice when selecting a stabilizer.
I absolutely love your dramatisation videos. I go so far as to say you could perfectly fine star in a movie 👍😀 By far the best motorcycle everything channel anywhere!
You guys are unique. In addition to being well researched your ideas of presentation are incredible. Always a pleasure to watch FortNine.
Holy shit man, the quality of your content ... I feel guilty watching this for free
The channel just keeps getting better. Amazing
Selling all my fuel stabilizer stock before this video spreads worldwide causing a huge price drop.
PUTS!
i've been putting a splash of 2 stoke oil in all my old (4stroke)carbs for a long time
nothing scientific but great results. wish you would have tested that
thanks for your work i really enjoy your content
thanks
The best doing it on UA-cam. In any genre. For any interest. Glad you guys chose motorcycles. Bravo.
I grew up in Northern Minnesota so I know your pain in Canada. We put up our boat outboard engines in the fall and got out the snowmobiles. We didn't have fuel stabilizers then that I knew about. We had carbeurators with a drain plug. When going into storage we filled the tank with ethanol free gas, maybe adding a little motor oil to the gas. Then drain the carbs. When taking out of storage we drained the gas -- dispose of the bad gas by adding a little at a time to the car gas tank. New gas, open the petcock and go. I don't know about fuel injection. I am still riding a 1988 Harley. Actually I don't know about winterizing anymore. I live now in South Texas and ride my Harley all year round.
non-ethanol is amazing. but i don't recommend draining the carbs if its only going to sit for 4-6 months. thats not enough time for fresh fuel to do any appreciable harm, and it will just dry out the carb gaskets. nothing to worry about, but i leave them full of fuel.
@@ct1762 i leave it full of fuel, and start the bike every now and then.
*Definitely feels like I should be paying to watch this in Netflix, AWESOME!!* 👏🏼🥇👏🏼
Reviewed 11 months later...still LOVE it! Great job! Would you consider a future episode of comparing non-ethanol fuels? VP, AV gas, and others? Thank you.
Hope he covers Boost Juice injection
!
I've been riding for years but this channel still teaches me things. Great work and i'm looking forward to the next video
Good one! Highly entertaining. Thanks for the effort you put in your videos. This one takes the cake. I've used Sta-bil for years. NEVER use Ethanol in bikes. Especially air cooled ones.
Congratulations on surpassing 1 million subs! You always great content. I try to end the day riding by refueling with non-ethanol gasoline. Plus store the bike thru the winter with a full tank of the same. I have used StarTron for years with no problems. I guess I’ll at least switch to Stabil as winter approaches here in Middle Tennessee, USA. Ride safe!
I am suffering from a rusted out tank because of the winter storage from last year with "stabilizer". Glad i watched this so i don't repeat the rusty nightmare again!
Staunchly in the Startron camp, regardless of Ryan’s conclusion. Over 20 years of using it in every tankful of fuel in small engines, 2 and 4 stoke, the engines have never failed to start within three pulls the next season. Mileage has actually increased in the motorcycles. Every can of gas I purchase gets a dose before filling. Startron is the only one I have found to work.
So happy to see you two reach 1 million subs. You both deserve it with your quality content.
There is less chance of moisture mixing in if you fill the gas tank to full, a Sta-bil run the engine for 5-10. Then store it.
This has been working for me for my riding mower, trimmer, and my r1.
End os season prep for me is as follows. Starting 1 Oct I only fill up with REC fuel. Right before storage day I run it till about half empty (2 1\2 gal ) Then the last day i ride I add about 2oz of 2 cycle oil that also stabilizes fuel. Go for a ride. Back home I drain the fuel from the tank and run it til it dies. Then open the bowl drain to finish draining the carb. The 2 cycle oil is only about a 200/1 ratio but it keeps the tank from rusting and leaves a O2 barrier inside my carb too. I burn the leftover gal or 2 of gas in my truck. She fires right up 6 months later like nothing ever happened. I do the same with the mower, snowblower and all seem to like it.
The Production level is amazing. Unbelievable. Great work!
I know right.
Nothing better to do in Canada? I hear it’s BEAUTIFUL! It has to be a dual sport riders dream, which begs the question, why the KLR???
Great video: very informative. In the UK, one can buy fuel without ethanol, which is what I always use. Never had a startup problem after six months off the road, whether in a garage or outdoors.
Even in Eastern Europe gasoline gets ~10% ethanol, 7months without a cover and had no problems with starting again.
I have used Putoline fuel stabilizer for years, never had a problem, but that was before ethanol was added to our fuel. The best we can get is now 5%. I stored some E10 in a can for my lawnmower, without stabilizer, and it took more than 20 tugs on the starter to get the thing going.
In Canada, Shell and Esso high octane gas is Ethanol free.....;)
I've watched every fortnine video more than twice never watching this thinking it wasn't relevant to me as i don't understand chemistry and live in a warmer climate but goddamn if this isn't one of the best ones. Thank you Ryan and Aneesh
5:54
You really need to defrost that freezer man.
Hence "Canada Box".
It's just an extra Canada Canada Box.
clean box would not be that dramatic and illustrative :)
A frosted freezer is actually less effective than a non frosted freezer. Alot of people think that it's frosted "therefore it must be cold" but the frost actually acts as an insulator not allowing the coils to absorb the warmer air inside the freezer. Gotta defrost that box!!!
@@DaveDefrane602 Yeah, might be so...But what use do you have with a fridge that cant hold anything in it because of massive ice-buildup?
Besides, this aint the 50's, modern fridges has enough insulation as is, jackass.
This is why I buy ethanol free fuel for my bike!
True ethanol free gas is hard to find. Even with the PureGas app. I tested several jas stations around here, and they all had some.
@@ZX9RDan In Canada, both Esso and Shell premium fuels have no ethanol.
@@JSBroomhall any idea where us US guys should be looking? I always put the pricy shit in my bikes and never worry about it
@@HooDRidEWhiteY pure-gas.org is hit-or-miss, but a good start if you don't have any other leads.
Many Maverik stations serve ethanol-free gas. It comes in a cyan blue handle, independent of the unleaded or diesel handles.
Some airports and boat docks have ethanol-free gas that is acceptable for highway engines (such as UL94). Check first though, as not all aviation fuel is suitable for a highway engine.
You can also buy prepackaged containers of gasoline online (e.g. Sure Starter or TruFuel), but those run about $20/gallon. If you need reserve gasoline for a remote expedition or need to winterize your bike once a year, might be worth the convenience. Not worth the extra cost for every fill-up though.
Hmm so would emptying your tank should be done before storing or would just starting it once in a while fix that?
Cheers Mr Ryan and Co.
Seen this just now (9months later) and my only comment is: pls just remember that you have followers all around the world. Meaning, some product you show and we may want to try - e.g. K100 - it is not readily available in EU/UK.
Stay safe
I've never used fuel stabilizer, on account I've always forgot. My tank is normally 1/4 full during the winter. In the spring, I'll buy a few bottles of STP Gas Treatment and maybe a bottle of their Fuel Injector Cleaner and dump that into the tank the night before I wanna ride. The next morning I use Ryobi's 18v fuel pump to pump out the old gas into a 5 gallon bucket, and then pump it back into the tank so that it's well mixed. Sometimes I skip the last step is the winter wasn't bad.
The production of your videos Ryan, are almost Hollywood standards.
Love it, and long may it continue.
Just in Time fot the end of motorcycling-season
What a coincidence.
Here in Arizona motorcycle season never ends
i live in new orleans.. FELLA, we ride all year long, their isnt a end to thus seasun
Don't be a wuss. Layer up and ride year around. They make battery powered heated gloves, handlebar mits and balaclavas for good reasons xD
@@motoryzen does it not snow where you live? Or ice?
So glad that we have non ethanol fuel in germany. Not cheap, but the best sollution to fill up the tank before bikes hybernation.
Have used sta-bil for years here during kansas winters, never once have i had a problem with the product 👍
I’m offended by you referring to the Freezer as a “Canada Box”..... when it warms up you’ll be hearing from my lawyer....lol
He can say it, he's Canadian.
He is right, it is Canada's box. He just forgot to use the formality by saying sorry and eh but other than that 100% legit.
I like this guys humour 😋
@@midnightgunner680 he is joking chill
@@AIDANPEREIRA i am chilled i also live in the canadian ice box 😛 ( i am referring canada as the ice box as the cold winter is on it's way)
Man I love these tests!! Best motorcycle channel on UA-cam, there is no competition at this level
10/10. I live in Queensland, Aus where it’s never too cold to ride, but I still watched the whole thing. No one is doing better content on UA-cam
Live in Houston, don’t put the bike up for winter, still watched and hung on every word and cinematic experience. I want my channel to be up to this one day!! Quality as always.
I came, I saw, I was thoroughly entertained! And hey, I learned something along the way - good stuff!
I use ethanol-free in all my lawn equipment and my motorcycle whenever possible!
Where in the world did you find Ethanol-free gas?
Can't find any in the Washington DC Metro region.
@@JT-gq8wv I'm in middle Tennessee there are a few gas stations near me. Search for "pure gas" for stations near you
@@HD2O13XL12OOC Got it. Thanks.
Wawa in my area all carry ethanol free gas ⛽, the blue hose. Even though my bike supposedly takes premium it seems to run very well on ethanol free.
It's more common as you move from metro to rural areas. Many states still allow non ethanol, non oxygenated for agro purposes. Farm equipment can sit for even longer spells.
I keep an old xt225 around for backup and for visiting friends to ride. Super fun and underrated little bike, but that’s another story. Long story short, I knew it would sit for a long time so I put in fuel stabilizer, though I don’t remember which. When I went to start it up and ride it after a long absence, it eventually and reluctantly fired, idled miserably up but would die when the throttle was twisted. After numerous tear-downs, cleanings and rejetting, the problem persisted so I took it to a proper mechanic (not a “factory trained technician”). I’ve taken to calling home The Carb Sorcerer, Master of the Dark Arts. He did the same as I did with similar results then called me, sounding pissed, and asked if I used fuel stabilizer. When I told him I did, he barked out “don’t use that shit!” He ended up cleaning the tank and petcock, replacing the lines, and cleaning, jetting, running the carb and repeating 4 times before the gunk worked itself out. It still took a couple rides to get back to normal. He specializes is vintage bikes but also has an xt225 which is why he took me on. He says his xt sits 6 or more months at a time with no problems. “I’m telling you man, don’t use that shit!” Lesson learned.
Spooky stuff, man.
I’m a year-round rider down here in Dallas, TX, where it rarely freezes (except for February 2021, ha ha!).
Even so, I add a couple ounces of Lucas Fuel Treatment to every fill-up in all my vehicles.
All my vehicles start up right away even in the coldest (Texas) weather. I always use Sta-Bil in the container with my lawnmower gas, because it sits the longest.
This episode had lots of useful information, and was well presented, so thanks for the education.
Happy Trails
Is this NASA's Canadian division?❤
NASA is a freemason lodge.
When the Canadian Avro Arrow got cancelled, many Canadian engineers went to NASA for the moon landing project.
@@janetyeoman1544 I did not know that, but I know the Avro Arrow very well. Wish there was a RC model sold.
Been using sta bil for years. Never had one single issue.
Haven't used StaBil for years and I also have not had any problem.
I only got water in my tank back in the 70s when 89Regular was not Ethanol, since the water coming in a vent open tank, like a 70s Honda CB can't mix and will pool at the bottom and freeze.
New rider here. Winter is comming in my country and i have to leave it outside, covered. My mechanic tells me to have full tank over winter but i'm wondering how u doit ? U fill the tank and put a whole bottle of stabiliser ? Or how ?
@@MotoVio fill the tank with petrol/gasoline. Add only the amount of Stabilizer the label recommends per liter/gallon of fuel if using an additive. Ride the bike for five minutes to get the fresh mix into the injectors. A full tank, vented to atmosphere, has little airspace to condense water in the air. That's where watery gas happens in almost empty tanks
Don't forget to plug up the muffler outlets. Mice love pipes and mufflers in winter.
If you occasionally ride on winter, refill the tank with your winter fuel mix.
I fill the tank, add suggested amount of sta bill per gallon (should be right on the label) and run it for a minute or two to make sure mixture is in all the lines and fuel injectors or carbs. Let me know how it works
Same here. Full tank with stabil. Always fires right up after storage. The max it's stored is about 5 months with a start or 2 during that time
Am a fan of Stabil , in the bikes/quad/lawnmower/rotortiller, have used it for years and am always grateful come spring.
I use Sea Foam and Star Tron for winter storage in my Goldwings, Corvette and all lawn equipment
Ten years and no problems
Oh boy. I've had a bike in storage since fall of 2019, full tank of gas with motul stabilizer.... wish me luck
Update: started and runs perfectly after almost 2 years. No rust in the tank either, yay Honda... or Motul :)
Just drain the tank and fill with new gas
I use AT LEAST double the required amount of StaBil in my gas tank for winter storage in both my carbureted bikes and my fuel injected bike. I top off the tanks and drain the float bowls.
I have never had a problem on Spring start up.
The seafoam bottle was dented during the lineup, and when thrown by the culprit in the intro, the object made a metallic sounds. Fantastic foreshadowing.
Cinematography, editing, lightning, script, delivery, sound, ... all benchmark. 100% quality, and yes, then there is the great motorcycle subject we came to see. Cheers!
I love the work that was put into this 💯
I have used Star tron for years after Stabil failed me. Never had had an issue since
Me too!
The least dry and most entertaining comparison of fuel stabilizers I’ve seen yet, well done thank you for sharing!!
Excellent video!! Great knowledge to be had. I use Stabil in a generator and NEVER has the generator not started on the first pull while using stabil.
The generator may sit for over a year without being used, but always starts! (DISCLAIMER....I live in South Carolina so freezing weather is far and few).
Riding is the best way to prevent winter fuel problems.
Yeah, try that in a blizzard at -30C, 6 inches of snow on top of ice on the road, 50mph winds. Believe me, "fuel problems" would be the very last thing on your list of things to worry about. On top of all that, you've got to dig through 3 feet of snow for 100 yards, just to get the barn door open. If you're gone for half an hour, it's pretty well drifted in again by the time you get back. I'm 75 years old. I think I'll just stick to my successful routine, and wait for the weather to warm up.
@@danmoyer4650 I do live in Wyoming.
I whole wholeheartedly invite you and your bike to spend the winter in Quebec city. You'll understand later.
@@sl600rt - Then I'm sure you're familiar with the conditions I've described. If that's so, I really don't understand why you would be suggesting that it's good to ride in those conditions. Obviously it's not, unless you're trying to prove something. Personally, I've been there, done that, didn't like it.
As much as I'd love to, ice exists, and snow sucks. I'll happily take a harder time starting ny bike in the spring in exchange for being a warm cager in the winter.