The Problem with Guruphobia
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2021
- Often Hindus and others can fall into the trap of being overly cynical about different Gurus. This video explains why we should be careful about passing quick judgements. Identifying a true spiritual Master is not nearly as simple as people think.
The same hindus who are overly critical about hindu gurus are the same ones who dont criticize Christian priests or muslim imans.
Let me also add, they will listen to western whites re-teaching them about hinduism.
No.
I just don't trust any human claiming divinity.
Definitely wouldn't trust a different religious leader.
@@michie666 gurus do not claim "DIVINITY". They claim that we are all of divine essence and the Supersoul is within us.
@@michie666 Also, fake gurus are easily weeded out by the people. What bothers me is the attempt to bring down the real gurus with some type of scandal to ruin their credibility and the good they have done.
@@michie666 Gurus (regardless of personal indiscretions) can be a good option to get Diksha (initiation) which can act as a catalyst for achieving expanded consciousness state or samadhi. Pont is one should not go by morality. We should go by how good gurus are when it comes to the knowledge and explanation of techniques. Diksha or initiation is added bonus which can accelerate your efforts. But still you have to put efforts to understand the correct knowledge and to practice correct techniques.
Yes!!!
Jay Lakhani was such a teacher. He is greatly missed. His legacy lives on with the Hindu-Academy on Facebook and UA-cam. His work is continued by his team. They are so awesome. I highly recommend them.
5-*****'s of excellence!!! 🙏
Very well stated.
Learn from Swami Vivekananda and his teacher. The most current was Jay Lakhani of the Hindu-Academy who was a very devoted follower and living example of Vivekananda. Sadly he passed away last year but his legacy lives on thru his team. Check it out.
I didn't know he passed away! Till now i was thinking he is alive and the fact that I had a dream to meet him once in my life and take his blessings since I used to be an atheist and his knowledge saved me from the path of ignorance
Beautifully expressed with utmost clarity. As I was listening, I reflected about my own experiences in the spiritual journey. Not all who say they are Gurus truly are. And that's something we need to be crystal clear. There are and have been many who abused their privileged "positions" to satisfy their own narcissistic agendas, to satisfy their own delusional egos. That's why those ones, who are less in number, have damaged the whole Guru tradition. They are less in numbers, but made a great damage. And made a great disservice to humankind. In these days and age I suggest to navigate these murky waters with careful awareness. Because, not everyone who challenges our intellect or makes us question our own lives or principles can be called a Guru. Be careful dear seekers, and remember that in different stages each and every one of us will need different ways to access knowledge. And a Guru is not the only vehicle available to reach the ultimate truth.
@Darren Do you accept Karma or cause and effect which leads to reincarnation (birth/death duality) ? if yes, you understand Vedanta. If no, you are just digesting Vedanta without compromising nicene creed claims like "Jesus", "virgin birth", "son of god" etc.
"A Guru is not the only vehicle available to reach the ultimate truth" well with the amount of information and techniques freely available in books and internet, how to know what is adequate to our specific condition? How to even know what is the ultimate that we should aim for? If I would be released in dense tropical forest with no tools or maps, maybe I would find my way out, but most likely I would get lost or even perish, so in such a scenario I would certainly welcome a guide. The spiritual field is so much vaster than a tropical forest... And an additional point, from my experience, we cannot expect the structure that creates the problem (mind and ego) to also solve it.
@@anjalidasi1440 Truly vast. But the mind can be opened with the mind. 🙏Never mind.
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Guru when exposed turn out to be a criminal.
In old days we had authentic incarnations, these present day tools of evidences has stopped incarcerations. Gods must unite and show the world their true self and power.
Wonderful as usual. Hare Krishna 🙏🇬🇧
Nice. It's amazing when you do bold statements about the nature of spiritual life and Guru
Your videos always have tears flowing down my face.
Great work brother! Lets us hope we too will be lead to the feet of divine by a true Guru!!!
Comprehensive, concise and clear as always. Images are the icing on the cake.
Conclusion from my understanding :- Don't judge a guru by his external appearances and behavior choose a guru on basis of your own realisation wether his teachings are giving you peace of realisation or not because guru may behave differently to make us realise God for sake of us so don't judge him on basis of his character.
it's about the journey. every person needs a guru that fits that journey .
For which purpose ling guru is important?
Wow.. what clarity, maturity and understanding you have!! I'm amazed at the way you can boldly state and validate your claims as well. Excellent video and a much needed one in this age when people are quick to scandal and pass judgements. And there are some people who deliberately build scandals against some gurus just to bring down their popularity. Even Lord Krishna was regarded as just a Mayavi by stupid ignorant people during His own regime when He lived and walked this Earth. I guess it's difficult for material people to actually come to terms that there's someone who exists far beyond their comprehension!! God Bless you! May He keep your mind and intellect as sharp as it is now and at the same time devoted to Him!!
Hare Krishna!! 🙏🙏🙏
@Darren Glad YOU found YOUR path just like I did MINE.
I was kinda getting your point a bit(was quite confusing whether you were going to get to the Bhakti tradition) but when you came to the "Holy Spirit" part, it was just like a whole tower of trash cans came tumbling down....Tch the tch and when I discovered you copy pasting the same message above in so many other comments as well, but running away after doing so, I couldn't stop myself from giving you a couple of suggestions that I thought you need to know.
Don't know what you were trying to get at, but if that's a way you're trying to "save people", I'm telling you brother, you have a lot of homework to do.. especially if you're going to try "saving" Hindus who've known what Sanatana Dharma is, all their life(unlike an "ex neo-vedantic Hindu" like yourself), you basically put yourself in a whirlpool there...mmm mmmm mmmmmm Good that you ran away though, that was quite brilliant to escape that way without getting pulled into the powerful current of comments coming your way!!
If you want to try converting Hindus you have to get the sicular ones(yes, I surely spelt that right, being an "ex neo-vedantic Hindu", I'm pretty sure you know who those would be).
Other than that, I have a really serious request to make.. I used to Love Jesus so much.. He was one of my best friends at school(I studied in a convent school).. but of late its becoming increasingly difficult to love Him as much as I used to do just because of people like you who really don't Understand His Teachings. Jesus never really worked towards forming a new religion, it was a bunch of his followers that made that mistake and boy did they misunderstand Him!!. What a great Master He Was!! and they brought His Image crashing to the ground!!. For Heaven's sake or rather for Jesus's sake, stop quoting His " no one reaches the Father except through Me". You and your little minded friends have NO UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS'S PERSPECTIVE WHEN HE REFERRED TO HIMSELF!! He was way above any of your understanding and He Absolutely DID NOT refer to His body as "Me"!! That I'm 100% sure of. I'm sorry.. this really makes me angry every time I hear that phrase and I feel sorry for Jesus. What a let down it must be for Him!! But I'm sure in all His compassion He will forgive you all for your sins against Him because it was due to your ignorance!!
May God who rejoices in reveling as Jesus to you and Krishna to me steer you onwards towards your goal 🙏🙏🙏
@@halcyon2864 😊😊thank you 🙏🙏
@@halcyon2864 no.. haven't tried it out yet.. is there any specific video that's really good? Would you be able to provide a link for me?
Sorry for troubling you🙏
Sanatan Dharm encourages / teaches people to use their brain in every possible way.
Does the people who follow it even have a brain?
@@truth1136 do you have one?
@@satveerrudra8424 yep that's why I am arguing.
@@truth1136 Who do you argue with? Ex-muslims?
@@satveerrudra8424 With idol worshiping
Your words are as clear a real gold and diamond.
As always it's absolutely fantastic video 📹 and your narration is beyond par .
Very nicely put! Some years back a friend of mine was visiting a spiritual master and was telling me, that he evaluates the greatness of the Guru by how advanced the closest disciples are. The problem with that is that he mistakens physical closeness with proximity to the Guru, and secondly that he assumed that he actually knew what is being spiritual advanced and therefore could perceive it externally. Both quotes from Shreemad Bhagavatam and from Nisargadatta maharaj shatter that argument. Was missing Dharma Speaks videos!
@Darren Then what business do you have here? Unless you are into the business of conversion?
🙏🙏 an insightful video as usual
that's why I feel like I procrastinate on my dream, as I don't want to be next guru, telling people what to do
I took different approach with million roots I want people to teach me what they can do to help the planet and people on it :) still clering my message but this video did something good to my atma !
Namaskaram
Thank you for your amazing work!
Another interesting topic…
@Prabhu Bhaakt i had commented before the video premiered :)
Coz i know he always comes with interesting topics & my intuition was correct…
Jai shree ram
Hindus are living in falsehood
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Hari om💫
Very nice topic 👍🙂👍
Yesssssssssssssssssss love your vids
True gurus are rare and that is why not everyone can find actual gurus in their life. I believe in Purushartha where I try to be as dharmic as it is possible for me without expecting anything in return.
Not really. If you have not matured within yourself, you will not find a Guru even if one may be living in your own neighborhood.
True Gurus need protection from worldly people. They r like rose petals. False one r the spikes in the plant to protect flower.
@@ramabapat Gurus are not compulsory for reaching expanded consciousness state or samadhi. Diksha or initiation can act as a catalyst but still it depends on individual effort. It is the reason why many reached samadhi without a "guru". It depends on prarabtha karma.
@@indianmilitary He was talking about Gurus being rare and I was replying only to that. Nevertheless, you are wrong because there’s something we know as Adiguru. The entire kaleidoscope of traditions comes from that entity, which is what we know as Guru Parampara.
Ling guru is really rare.
Great explained. Thank you
Love you videos.💞
You are Amazing sir
loved it 💓
Good video like all your others. It is extremely difficult to get a real living Guru. Traditional vedic guru paramparas may not be perfect , but are better than wandering aimlessly. They can be used for broad guidance until if and when we get our own personal ideal guru. Meanwhile we must strive to understand and follow Dharma. God's grace will come to us eventually. That is my personal experience.
please post more videos it's been very long that you have released one ❤
Brilliant 🙏
Hare Krshna 🙏🙏🙏
thank you
Jai Gurudev 💖 I saw my guru's feet at 10:40
Hare Krishna Hari bol 👍🙏😀
Waaao. Superb 👏👏
Can you make a video about yourself. I mean where are you from and how you developed interest in Hinduism?
shockingly nice
If hinduism is surviving today, even after so much of invasions, the reason is Gurus and spiritual Masters. But, today because of some fake gurus and masters, hinduism has becomed ignoble.
Please check out Swami Sarvapriyananda's videos on UA-cam. An absolute gem of a teacher who explains Advaita Vedanta in English for all.
I’m not sure who said it -“the thing is there’s so called gurus everywhere, but even if they turn out to be false, as long as you learn. It can be a good lesson in itself”.
Your channel is criminally underrated.
Sir I want to collaborate with you
I'm usually quite impressed by your videos but this one didn't do the trick for me. The Sai Baba glorification was misplaced, he holds no place in Hinduism. The upanishads clearly state that a guru must be well versed in shruti - vedas and upanishads. Chand miya (real name of Shirdi Sai Baba) was neither. Why do Hindus need to turn to cult leaders like Ram Rahim, Osho, Sai Baba, Swaminarain, Ramphal, Sadguru etc when they can follow the traditional smartha, shaiva, vaishnava, shakta dharmacharyas from well established sampradayas and existing mutts. In my opinion these new age type gurus are only interested in looting their followers by asking unreasonable donations and distorting religious texts in the name of 'being innovative or revolutionary'. Usually most of these cults die out anyway after the passing away of their charismatic cult leader. Whereas the genuine sampradayas stand the test of time. To quote jagadguru Adi Shankaracharya "Vedic Dharma is always victorious".
U should make a video about how you developed your powers of levitation and how you said you sometimes teleport to other planets
I believe this to be the most difficult to accept - that God can take a human form and that we can't judge Him by human standards. People are scared of both giving up control and of being scammed, so the chances that someone would really have the patience and tenacity to discover the true Guru are, unfortunately, very close to zero.
You should promote your video. It'll help
The Stories maybe man made or exaggerated but there is a moral in every story. We just need to use our own brain what the story wants to tell us.
Here OSHO fit well
Yup
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Hey . Just a random subscriber here . I would really love if you shined some light over this topic . As we know humans are very imaginative and creative creatures our imagination and creative capability seems to have no limit . So I wonder that what if this imagination could also work with God . So suppose I started bhakti and meditation and all and I have a divine experience . How can I know that if it was actually a divine experience or just a fake fantasy made by my mind . How can I say that I have actually achieved God realization or have i just lost my mind and now i am just a mentally upset person just assuming that I have some type of a divine truth . I mean an overwhelming and powerful lie can be mistaken for the truth.
Please read this information
Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins
Wikipedia s , videos of both these
Great people. Please try it 🙏👍
Carl Sagan was brilliant. Richard Dawkins is a smart man, but he has become critical of all religion due to his atheism towards Christianity because Christianity is more against science than other religions. Santana dharma does not argue with modern science.
Hi ... you gave me a link (I think it was you?) on the Apostate Aladdin's stream just a while ago, but I closed the chat so I lost it. Can you sent it again? Something about God's love? ... if it wasn't you then sorry. ✌🏼
Enjoying your videos but please do take a breath, or allow a pause in the narration for listeners to absorb and reflect on the key concepts in your videos. Just a humble tip.
We are all each others guru.
Yes. It is called Shraddha (know the unknown without ego). Claiming "guru parampara" is the only way in this modern age is based on ego.
I watch all your clippings and learning a lot from these .. Being hindu by birth and reading a lot of books still i feel that there is lot to learn one life is not enough to understand SANATANA DHARMA
Hey ,
Is there any strong organisation which speaks up for atrocities / human rights of Hindu's which happen globally .As many people know about atrocities done by Hitler ( many know that even if they have never read about the history )but no one talks about atrocities on Hindu's done by Invaders even if it is history ok doesn't matter . But why no one is not much aware and no one speaks for Hindu's human rights like we saw how initially Bangladesh hindu genocide was ignored but ISKCON raised it's voice but still it was not enough . why Hindu's lack on this means why Hindu's around the world not united ,see how the news and more people around the world get aware if anything wrong happens with other religion people .
But Hindu's don't get any such news what's happening with Hindus living in any other country how many rights do they have ,how many temples were destroyed , how they're shamed, hate speech against them.
why so ? Why no one talks about Hindu phobia on large platforms why Hindu's themselves are never aware about such things .
Pls make video on such topic too . If there is any such organisation which works for Hindu's globally then pls mention it 🙏
Actually I just saw one of such video and I was shocked that I was also unaware about such things happening against Hindus in other countries 🙏
Sorry and Thanks 👍🙏
Hindu channels worth following
1) Acharya Prashant
2) Gaur Gopal Das
3) Ami Ganatra
Does he act, speak and behave in the right manner?
make gita your guru
Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya is the real deal.
Try Rohit Arya videos on UA-cam.
@@Bankai_India Will do. Thanks
@@halcyon2864 SDPA is a dwaitin and his insights on dharma are really refreshing. You should check out his videos on DharmaCentral or DharmaNation.
Fake gurus include Nithyananda and Vishwananda.
Trust a Guru, who follows and quotes repeatedly, "His Guru". If he pontificates as if he himself is a miracle, more the chances that he is fake
I also think most of the guru made in media are fake. Real ones stay away. But i still listen to some media guru to gain some Charity.
@@bhaveshtochabbra6853 each Master comes with a different mission. Some are to work behind the scenes, having few or no disciples, others come to address mankind and therefore can be quite known in the media, as this is a way to fulfill their mission.
Regarding the argument of a true Guru quoting His Guru instead of Himself. Krishna was a Divine incarnation and also played the role of the Guru, so this argument would likely dismiss Krishna as a real Guru. And as mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan will incarnate whenever there is a decline in righteousness, so it is likely that in the next incarnations He also plays the role of the Guru and does not quote His Guru.
So it seems that a safer way to see the legitimacy of a Guru is through the transformation we see in ourselves after sincere and committed practice of the teachings
@@anjalidasi1440 Krishna already came on the kali age as Sri ramakrishna
@@user-hp4gl8vx8e Thank you, do you know if Krishna is not currently incarnated?
A critical piece that you don't address is that the truth expressed in the Vedas is independent of individual personalities. Your video is focusing on deducing from personalities whether a guru is genuine or not. However, because Hinduism is about realizing the truth that is beyond space and time, beyond matter and mind, we don't need to be helplessly tied to the conundrum of trying to seek spiritual enlightenment through an individual personality and hence being subject to the vagaries of individual gurus being real or fake. I disagree with your statement that "the living spiritual master is the bedrock of Hinduism" because again you are making the eternal truth realization dependent on a personality, whom as you yourself say, some may feel a connection with and other may not feel any connection with. The Vedas are the bedrock of Hinduism because they contain the collected wisdom of hundreds of enlightened spiritual masters whose words express the truth that is beyond their individual personalities, and hence we don't feel trapped under the command of one guru's personality or deceived by the discovery of a fraudulent guru. The Vedas have survived intact for thousands of years because thousands of people have realized and validated the same truth as the Vedic rishis by taking guidance of the words of the rishis even when not knowing the rishi personally. Hence, my conclusion is that canonical scriptures that have stood the test of time are the foundation of Hinduism. Any living spiritual master is taken as trustworthy as long as their words teach the same universal truth of the Vedas. There are dozens of gurus who lead disciples astray with frivolous and inessential practices and rituals and fanciful teachings that just go nowhere. The best guru is one who has a solid knowledge of the scriptures and hence will extensively quote from them while teaching the same truths in ways that are contemporaneous to his disciples and the mundane world. The problem with a lot of self-proclaimed gurus is that they gather a cult following based on their charisma or public speaking skills, but they have zero knowledge of scriptures and the core teachings of the Vedas. Such gurus make up their own teachings and create huge institutions and cults.
Also your statements like "He does not fit into a box, he defies all logic and rationale....whatever idea we have of God is obliterated by him.... etc" are quite hyperbolic. Many times, a guru actually strengthens our correct ideas so that our earlier doubts are transformed into convictions. A guru need to "defy all logic and rationale". Etc.
Also, a recurring mistake in your video - "Hiranyakashipor" is incorrect. The correct name is "Hiranyakashipu".
Your position is what I would deem to be the standard orthodox Hindu one. But there are a lot of assumptions you make. The Vedas contain spiritual truths no doubt, but which interpretation will you follow? How do you reconcile all the numerous contradictory statements? Even if you agree with a particular school of Vedanta and thoroughly understand it, does that mean you are enlightened? Ultimately you have no proof that the Vedas are even revelation, someone could argue they are simply a concoction of someone on drugs.
My point is that the true realised Master is one who embodies transcendent realisation- the Guru is living proof that such a state exists. Without the Guru the Vedas are simply a collection of ideas. The proof ends in your own inner revelation. This takes time, maturity, grace and a willingness to sacrifice everything you are. The Vedas cannot give you this, but the true Guru can - if you are willing. He will prepare you step by step. The video stresses that He will often smash many preconceived ideas, but of course He will affirm some.
The Vedas provide general knowledge, but the Guru knows the Dharma of your soul. He knows your karma and the various samskaras holding you back.
I am open to an individual attaining Divine realisation without a Guru, but it is simply naive to believe this is the norm.
In this video you called out Sai Baba in a way that seems very low. I'd love to hear what you have to say about modern gurus like Baba Ramdev who has done great things but is known to have said that he'd decapitate anyone who doesn't recite the Indian version of the pledge of allegiance or Yogi Adiyanath who has been called a very corrupt politician?
I'm not sure 'I called out' Sai Baba. I have tremendous reverence for Him. I am merely pointing out that it is easy to worship His image today, but would have been difficult to recognize His glory while He was in the body. The nature of Masters is that they often conceal their Divinity.
As for Ram Dev and Yogi Adhiyanath I have no real opinion on them. They do not explicitly belong to my tradition and I have no real connection with them.
@@DharmaSpeaks your insights are very much appreciated. Not sure of your tradition, but I think you give some of best and concise statements on Hinduism. Many thanks for your response.
you need common sense.
thank you