Since you already had a masonry wall I think I would have used brick ties, about 4 per 16 inch and 2 per 8 inch. I think that's great that the wall hasn't fallen apart but I wouldn't have done your job without the brick ties, just to cover myself
I have to smile at the comments on fake stone.. no it is real stone individual stone pieces put in a panel and once again again nothing has failed on the wall 8.5 years later::thank you Roger and Ask This Old House
It’s real stone, but the proper term is ‘natural stone *veneer*’. Not to be critical.. but there are also a lot of vertical running joints going up the wall in close proximity. More proper masonry is to cut or make adjustment to avoid repeat, joints like that. I get the idea of keeping it simple... I’m just saying, so others are aware. This was laid more like tile than real stone, imho. With veneer stone, you can get away with it. But if it was actually real, full thickness, ledge stone, it would be considered a weak joint pattern. The exception would be if a repeat ‘grid’ pattern was being used. I’m saying this because I was a masonry contractor for over 40 years, from a family of Italian masons and terrazzo workers. In a ‘real’ stone wall, a close vertical joint layout like that would be susceptible to cracking along the joint. There should always be sufficient seperation and distance on a running bond like that. In this case, simply flipping the panels over in spots could have eliminated that. Other than that, it looks very nice. Good job. 👍🏼
We built a cement block well house which protected the well and all its equipment very well during extreme weather then we used stone veneer over the cement block. It looked awesome.
There are some scratch coat mixes that are made to go over paint. As long as it is not a high gloss...it works really well. I think it has special modifiers in it that bite into the paint. I have 1,300lbs of stone veneer in my living room all the way to my cathedral ceiling on a cement block wall that was skim coated and painted when i first moved in.
I love the finished look! Roger is one of the greats! I watched this 5 years ago when they posted it, and was happy to see it in my recommended videos today. I always notice something i missed the first time when i re-watch This old house videos! - I love them all! :)
This video is good in that it shows you the general thought process and steps required to do this sort of project, but as many have pointed out some of the details are a bit iffy
Roger, Norm, Tommy & Rich are God's in this show. I am amazed at how perfect their calculations are, how flush their end products become and how easily they explain stuff to us.
Nice video. To make the last row of uneven cuts, you can place an uncut piece up against the top edge of the cap stone, then place another stone below it, mark it with a pencil, cut the piece and, viola, it's a perfect cut. Tile layers to this and it makes the job of cutting pieces faster and more accurate.
That's why they didn't show them cutting it. Because it was a total b****.I would have installed it, let it dry. And cut it off with a concrete demo saw. Have a man with a leaf blower behind me so I don't become a snowman
Didn't you pay attention. They already did the stripping and base mud on the left wall before Rodger showed up. That way they could show a whole wall being done in a one day shoot. Otherwise you would have to strip and mud one day and come back to do the tiling later.
What an outstanding idea! Our builder left our foundation exposed and ugly! I would have to remove some dirt to get at it. I think I would have it done because I no longer have that kind of stamina to do big jobs. Thanks for the idea!
Good video. I am going to comment that Quikrete makes pre-mixed mortar for tile installation, I doubt seriously that the beginner DIYer is going to mix this stuff up on his/her own. Also, the mortar does need to be somewhat dry, it is supposed to stay on a trowel when the trowel is turned to 90 degrees from horizontal. Wetting the tiles is what makes the bond activate, not a runny mortar mix.
Exactly been doing the same prep for a walkout basement but got paint to remove. Used the gel stuff but needs more and power washer was doing great at @ 2300 psi but popped a whole in the hose. Just bought the darn thing but got new hose and going to tackle it again. Face shield helps but its a mess in a confine area. Going to put on that sticky bond when done. I got the older version of stone veneer mixed with different manufacturers for ledgestone(craigslist) but should be great once finished.
I bought a refurbisher sander, Porter Cable, it's got some sweet sanding pads for everything, tough too, I would have added a plug on each wall an ran Led light under the cap stone lip on each side to show the wall off at night , an keep non driving people from hitting it,
For an expensive exterior job like this I would really want to see mortar spread on both substrates, and have it a bit wetter. I really think those top caps are going to just flake off eventually. Mortar too try and probably not a lot of bonding power to the top caps.
Great video! I have a question, why can't you just use thinset to bond the stacked stone to the concrete wall? I plan on a similar project soon. One will be indoor and one will be outdoor. Both will be built roughly 4' high, and then covered with the stacked stone... I was under the impression I can use regular thinset mix. Would that not bond well enough?
I did a wall on my barn 25 years ago and it's held up fine. I believe the trick is that what we called Milk. It's the bonding agent, expensive but it make the project last.
Good job! But we would have put all the wall units up first so that we could scribe them from the back! Just saying! Also mortar seemed a little tight when setting caps, to dry and it wont bond! Keep up the good work Roger! Dan Allan , Capital Concrete Contractors Inc. 38 yrs experience.
Dennis, I just purchased this for a back splash for a reworked stucco fireplace area. My fireplace guy prepared the old stucco surface by scraping the old stucco off, putting on bonding agent, adding the netting, and the mortar, then the stucco. We left the stucco off the back splash area in order to lay the tile. The man doing the tile says I can't put that stone on the wall without it leaking because it is glued together with no grounding. I told him we are sealing the stone before and after, Is he right?
Thanks for the share! Gave us lots of awesome ideas we can do for our dull and very large walls. This video also was very informative and gives a grasp of DIY. 👍🏼
Was the wall grouted at the end. I have used this tile and have had to hand grout it. The over engineering/ technique is good to show for the beginner. A master may have different techniques to save time.
The "moretah" he is buttering the stones with is a little too dry. You want it to push out when you press the stone tight to the wall. That way you will get a strong bond; it will almost feel like the suction of a vacuum if you try to pull the stone off after you lay it. Also don't use a mallet. To get the stones to adhere to the wall better again use a little wetter mortar and rub them back and forth. If that was on a wood framed house the vibration will make all the other stones you just set fall off. I see more good than bad though if manufactured stone is the route you decide to go.
Can someone recommend an adhesive/epoxy/mortar and grout good enough for extreme frost and thaw cycles? Im retiling my porch because it wasn't done correctly before and every year tiles will come off during winter. I live in southern Ontario, we can get nasty ice storms. Im using textured porcelain tiles on a large porch exposed to all the elements. Please advise.
Love your video, but any suggestions for a contractor who will do this here on long island NY----? Suffolk County-? Want that done here, can't find anyone to help me get that going..... Please help.Thx.🤓
I have a very flat cement wall 6 metres by half metre high, do you think I might get away with adhering to to the wall with a silicone gun containing something designed to stick concrete and is a little flexible?
*#Questions**:* *_1._*_ Can you stick granite to concrete countertop directly?_ _★If not then what to do?_ *_2._*_ Can we just place a rubber mat of 1cm thickness over the concrete and place the granite countertop over the mat directly without sticking it with the rubber mat?_ Someone answer me please... 😫🙏🙏💓
According to manufacturer, scratch coat is not needed for adhering panels to concrete. With all the videos and guides, you are the only one that adds scratch coat. Thoughts?
I know for some people looks hard buy is too easy , what I do is real trimming stone work we start from cero we drill and split huge rocks after that we cut the stone with lot of tons of pressure and then we trim the stone with the hammer and many stone tools and is ready to be use for any kind of job , and that's why people stone work is expensive.
It looks great. Any thoughts to doing a staggered joint with the pieces? Just wondering. When laying flooring, I would try to do this so repeating layout would not be apparent.
The video shows them prepping one curved wall and then cladding the other straight wall. Can someone explain how does one fit the flat stone veneer on a curved wall?
I am the owner of the wall and can say 8 years later it is fine nothing has fallen off or broken and the cost to do the job was perfect 0 dollars
Dennis Tavares, good for you.
So they did this in 2009?
Since you already had a masonry wall I think I would have used brick ties, about 4 per 16 inch and 2 per 8 inch. I think that's great that the wall hasn't fallen apart but I wouldn't have done your job without the brick ties, just to cover myself
and took 8 years to produce it. Sure Dennis.
Looks beautiful!! Good job Dennis and good to hear from you.
I have to smile at the comments on fake stone.. no it is real stone individual stone pieces put in a panel and once again again nothing has failed on the wall 8.5 years later::thank you Roger and Ask This Old House
Dennis Tavares half these people have never heard of ledge stone. Lmao
Looks real nice!
I gotta say ur a badass 4reals. I respect an Alpha Male putting in work cuz I'm a DIY type guy also.
Dennis, its nice to hear the job was free, were the materials also free? Just curious. It looks amazing btw.
It’s real stone, but the proper term is ‘natural stone *veneer*’.
Not to be critical.. but there are also a lot of vertical running joints going up the wall in close proximity.
More proper masonry is to cut or make adjustment to avoid repeat, joints like that. I get the idea of keeping it simple... I’m just saying, so others are aware. This was laid more like tile than real stone, imho.
With veneer stone, you can get away with it. But if it was actually real, full thickness, ledge stone, it would be considered a weak joint pattern. The exception would be if a repeat ‘grid’ pattern was being used.
I’m saying this because I was a masonry contractor for over 40 years, from a family of Italian masons and terrazzo workers. In a ‘real’ stone wall, a close vertical joint layout like that would be susceptible to cracking along the joint. There should always be sufficient seperation and distance on a running bond like that. In this case, simply flipping the panels over in spots could have eliminated that.
Other than that, it looks very nice. Good job. 👍🏼
We built a cement block well house which protected the well and all its equipment very well during extreme weather then we used stone veneer over the cement block. It looked awesome.
There are some scratch coat mixes that are made to go over paint. As long as it is not a high gloss...it works really well. I think it has special modifiers in it that bite into the paint. I have 1,300lbs of stone veneer in my living room all the way to my cathedral ceiling on a cement block wall that was skim coated and painted when i first moved in.
to do this job for rogah you will need:
stone veneeah,mortah,wotah and hammah.
Hi Roger, more than 2.7 mil people have watched this show, amazing, you doing a good job mate,good on ya, greetings from Sydney.
I love the finished look! Roger is one of the greats! I watched this 5 years ago when they posted it, and was happy to see it in my recommended videos today. I always notice something i missed the first time when i re-watch This old house videos! - I love them all! :)
This video is good in that it shows you the general thought process and steps required to do this sort of project, but as many have pointed out some of the details are a bit iffy
Roger, Norm, Tommy & Rich are God's in this show. I am amazed at how perfect their calculations are, how flush their end products become and how easily they explain stuff to us.
Nice video.
To make the last row of uneven cuts, you can place an uncut piece up against the top edge of the cap stone, then place another stone below it, mark it with a pencil, cut the piece and, viola, it's a perfect cut. Tile layers to this and it makes the job of cutting pieces faster and more accurate.
4:09 holds it at a 15-20° angle.
We want the mortah to have the consistency of peanut buttah
And that's hwaf an ench ov pourtlend mortaw
+Cambone13 Hahahahaha!
+Bobby Taylor Hahahahaha!
I think I got the instructions wrong. I kept putting the mortar into 1 pot and the sand into 3 pots. Not working.
No. It's cause you're using "mortar". You need to use "mortah". It's a different thing.
Roger is a smart and generous man.
the classic roger enthusiasm. hope he gets like this again.
As a mason, this is tough to watch lol. Im glad it held up and nothing fallen off.
Why do you say that? I’m planning on putting the same kind of stone on a cement wall too.
Doing the top course of tapered pieces before the cap would have been a lot easier to mark & cut.
My thoughts exactly. Scribing those cuts would have been lot simpler.
He most likely had wet cement to use up before he made all the cuts.
Good thought.
That's why they didn't show them cutting it. Because it was a total b****.I would have installed it, let it dry. And cut it off with a concrete demo saw. Have a man with a leaf blower behind me so I don't become a snowman
That's awesome I learn it to help a friend family! Thank you for your generosity...
Incredible acting. ""Roger, this is just amazing!" It moved me to tears....
Did the wall get up and move to the other side of the garage???
Didn't you pay attention.
They already did the stripping and base mud on the left wall before Rodger showed up.
That way they could show a whole wall being done in a one day shoot.
Otherwise you would have to strip and mud one day and come back to do the tiling later.
What an outstanding idea! Our builder left our foundation exposed and ugly! I would have to remove some dirt to get at it. I think I would have it done because I no longer have that kind of stamina to do big jobs. Thanks for the idea!
Hoff an inch? That’s not on my tape measure! Lol
Great show guys👍🏻
Dont forget to caulk the bottom joint to protected from water as it penetrates the joint and freezing in the winter which will lead to detiriation.
Good video. I am going to comment that Quikrete makes pre-mixed mortar for tile installation, I doubt seriously that the beginner DIYer is going to mix this stuff up on his/her own. Also, the mortar does need to be somewhat dry, it is supposed to stay on a trowel when the trowel is turned to 90 degrees from horizontal. Wetting the tiles is what makes the bond activate, not a runny mortar mix.
Wetting the stone helps prevent the moisture from transferring out of the mortar to the stone too quickly causing it to flash cure.
Rest In Peace letter “R”, you will be missed!
Did Roger pass away?
He just doesn't say the letter "R". He might neveh say it again.
Exactly been doing the same prep for a walkout basement but got paint to remove. Used the gel stuff but needs more and power washer was doing great at @ 2300 psi but popped a whole in the hose. Just bought the darn thing but got new hose and going to tackle it again. Face shield helps but its a mess in a confine area. Going to put on that sticky bond when done. I got the older version of stone veneer mixed with different manufacturers for ledgestone(craigslist) but should be great once finished.
I am absolutely LIVING for these accents!
🤣❤️👍
superb vid -- details are explained and it's concise! thank you!!
the best chanell, thanks of Brazil (Montenegro-RS - south Brazil)
Cara sabe onde axo esse moldes e fórmulas ??
I would put the caps on last because with the caps on it's a bit harder to measure the triangle pieces.
I bought a refurbisher sander, Porter Cable, it's got some sweet sanding pads for everything, tough too, I would have added a plug on each wall an ran Led light under the cap stone lip on each side to show the wall off at night , an keep non driving people from hitting it,
Another optional for removing the paint from concrete area wall is to use a Diamond cup grinder bit. for removing
For an expensive exterior job like this I would really want to see mortar spread on both substrates, and have it a bit wetter. I really think those top caps are going to just flake off eventually. Mortar too try and probably not a lot of bonding power to the top caps.
+natty4now nobody cares about your output
nobody cares about your input, output, or anti- American ideology. Cultured stone built this cuntry, mortar dry, wet or otherwise!
“ let’s bond”
Haha
Any part of you that isn't wet? Let's bond!
We love you Roger!
Mike Haduck: If you want it to stick you have to wet it first!
The setting mortar was WAY to dry...You can tell the old guy worked with his hands for many years..:)
great idea
wait wrong guy
Yes it was
He pressed the first piece on the wall and the wall just laughed 😆
Waaaay too dry.
Roller for the bonding agent...
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im so glad i read stuff.....lololololol
Great video! I have a question, why can't you just use thinset to bond the stacked stone to the concrete wall? I plan on a similar project soon. One will be indoor and one will be outdoor. Both will be built roughly 4' high, and then covered with the stacked stone... I was under the impression I can use regular thinset mix. Would that not bond well enough?
I have current photos of the wall 12/11/17 not one piece is missing from it or has ever fallen off
what stones were used?
Any links?Or do we have to take your word for it.lol
I did a wall on my barn 25 years ago and it's held up fine.
I believe the trick is that what we called Milk. It's the bonding
agent, expensive but it make the project last.
Great. This little wall is stronger than the house ^^'
Good job! But we would have put all the wall units up first so that we could scribe them from the back! Just saying! Also mortar seemed a little tight when setting caps, to dry and it wont bond! Keep up the good work Roger!
Dan Allan , Capital Concrete Contractors Inc. 38 yrs experience.
+Dan Allan i agree with you Dan, exactly the way i would have done it myself
This ^
Dan, can construction adhesive be used to bond stone veneer to a substrate instead of cement mortar?
The only confusion that I have is it appeared the first layer of motor dried before all the stone including the cap was set in place.
The scratch coat was supposed to be dry. That's why it looked dry
Mortar was a little dry. Would have used a notch trowel after I buttered the stone. 3to1 is too much sand. 2to1 would had made a better bond.
Ttt
I've never seen a project on This Old House that I could actually do.
Don’t you just LOVE the way he says Mortar
This type of stone you use thin set same as you would tile. I've layed it loads.
Wow, I normally like TOH videos, but this one was a shocker!
I wish you'd show the process of measuring, marking, and cutting the stone
stick your tile all the way up the wall. then cut them off with the grinder, run your cap.
great idea man
I think the vibration from the grinder will just gut out the tiles off the wall you know...
You can butt them in to the wall, run a pencil/marker line parallel to the wall to mark your cut, then cut. Easy, simple, no issues.
Do you have to wait a full day from mudding the wall to installing the veneer?
Why'd you put the cap on first before the cut pieces?
Can you use Type S mortar? or does it require the special mix blend?
I enjoyed this video and your country twang. Great job bro! You were technical and informative of your trade. Video production was good too.
That's not a country twang, that's a Boston accent.
Epoxy paint is the best bonding agent.
Dennis, I just purchased this for a back splash for a reworked stucco fireplace area. My fireplace guy prepared the old stucco surface by scraping the old stucco off, putting on bonding agent, adding the netting, and the mortar, then the stucco. We left the stucco off the back splash area in order to lay the tile. The man doing the tile says I can't put that stone on the wall without it leaking because it is glued together with no grounding. I told him we are sealing the stone before and after, Is he right?
Does all the prep work, up to applying mortar on the wall, need to be done for a bare concrete wall?
Wow! Awesome 😎🇺🇸!!
Nice work on the whal!
Looks great not sure why they did not finish all the pieces before capping it but it looks great finished.
Thanks for the share! Gave us lots of awesome ideas we can do for our dull and very large walls. This video also was very informative and gives a grasp of DIY. 👍🏼
I just came for the comments 😹
"Looks like a dry laid wall" :D I've never seen a dry laid wall like that
Was the wall grouted at the end. I have used this tile and have had to hand grout it.
The over engineering/ technique is good to show for the beginner. A master may have different techniques to save time.
I wanted to see how was the connection between the wall and the top. How it looks and and how can the top stay put strongly.
The when winter comes the ice is going to pry that right off.
Can you do this the same with a cinder block retaining wall or do I need to do anything different?
that's easy to do .you can see me do that in the chimney that's amazing job
The "moretah" he is buttering the stones with is a little too dry. You want it to push out when you press the stone tight to the wall. That way you will get a strong bond; it will almost feel like the suction of a vacuum if you try to pull the stone off after you lay it. Also don't use a mallet. To get the stones to adhere to the wall better again use a little wetter mortar and rub them back and forth. If that was on a wood framed house the vibration will make all the other stones you just set fall off. I see more good than bad though if manufactured stone is the route you decide to go.
is it just me or does it look like the tiles arent sticking to that already drying wall?
Not just you. If you move the tile on already dried mortar then the poorest adhesion is guaranteed.
Cheers. Enjoyed the video.
Can someone recommend an adhesive/epoxy/mortar and grout good enough for extreme frost and thaw cycles? Im retiling my porch because it wasn't done correctly before and every year tiles will come off during winter. I live in southern Ontario, we can get nasty ice storms. Im using textured porcelain tiles on a large porch exposed to all the elements. Please advise.
i love it, that's how my chimney looks like
Can I use grout ready mixed instead??
“ what we want is the moatah to have the consistency of peanut buttah” 3:03
how long did you wait after the scratch coat was layed to apply the stone?
Too long.
Looks like the mortar was too dry when they put the pieces on? I'm no stone guy, just saying.
Travis B yea that owner wasn’t making peanut buttah he made it like cookie dough
Love your video, but any suggestions for a contractor who will do this here on long island NY----? Suffolk County-?
Want that done here, can't find anyone to help me get that going..... Please help.Thx.🤓
That looks really nice
Excellent work!!!
Awesome stuff, guys!
Could you do this same exact process for a cinderblock wall inside a basement?
Great information!
Vertical spacer to accommodate warm weather expansion, This Old House?
Good and informative. The sand that you used seems not that good. I can see a root at 03:17 in your mixture.
Does the scratch coat have to dry before starting with the rock veneer..?
I have a very flat cement wall 6 metres by half metre high, do you think I might get away with adhering to to the wall with a silicone gun containing something designed to stick concrete and is a little flexible?
the scratch coat should have been left for 24 hours to dry. then wet it before applying the stone.
*#Questions**:*
*_1._*_ Can you stick granite to concrete countertop directly?_
_★If not then what to do?_
*_2._*_ Can we just place a rubber mat of 1cm thickness over the concrete and place the granite countertop over the mat directly without sticking it with the rubber mat?_
Someone answer me please... 😫🙏🙏💓
This gives me an idea 🤔
what about exterior house walls , what pros or cons would be to use tiles instead of stone or other conventional cladding ?
According to manufacturer, scratch coat is not needed for adhering panels to concrete. With all the videos and guides, you are the only one that adds scratch coat. Thoughts?
that is some dry looking mortar, for the love of god add some water.
Are you kidding? That’s the perfect consistency.
It looks dry to me as well.
I know for some people looks hard buy is too easy , what I do is real trimming stone work we start from cero we drill and split huge rocks after that we cut the stone with lot of tons of pressure and then we trim the stone with the hammer and many stone tools and is ready to be use for any kind of job , and that's why people stone work is expensive.
It looks great. Any thoughts to doing a staggered joint with the pieces? Just wondering. When laying flooring, I would try to do this so repeating layout would not be apparent.
The video shows them prepping one curved wall and then cladding the other straight wall. Can someone explain how does one fit the flat stone veneer on a curved wall?
Bravo amerikanci to svaku zemo zna
So what did you do with that gap between the tops after you got the inch overhang?
That wahl looks wicked haat.
Use a roller to apply concrete sealer
What do you have against thinset? Nothings gonna hold better.