@@clevewilks4312 you could, by why would you on a brick home?... maybe do bottom 3 feet as an accent, but anymore than that i think you're just trapping moisture in the brick going forward
@@notimportant3686 The installation method of Sticky Stone is to use vertical beads 3" apart which allows enough air space for moisture to dissipate. This prevents moisture to build up between the wall and veneer stone.
@@clevewilks4312 Your brick and mortar would need to be in good shape. Make sure to use vertical beads 3" apart to allow enough air space for moisture to dissipate and to follow all manufacturer's guidelines and recommendations for the best outcome: techniseal.com/pub/media/catalog/product/pdf/t/d/tds_stickystone_can_en.pdf
Uuum..... You're placing a LOT of trust in the paint on that block. I would have brushed that A LOT, down to the block. The adhesive will stick to the paint just fine. I wouldn't trust the paint to stick to the building forever.
Nice product. I did a project quite a few years . I screwed hardy board to studs then buttered brick veneer with liquid nail and spaced evenly. Then mixed mortar , went through with a mortar bag and smoothed out the joints. Went pretty smooth
Sticky Stone will last as long as the paint lasts (typically 30 years). For longer lasting application remove the paint to reveal the concrete surface.
I bought some thin flagstone and covered the wooden pillars on the front of my hose. They were normally wrapped with rough cedar boards but after a year they looked like crap. I treated the cedar boards then wrapped over the top with concrete boards then used construction adhesive to attack the flagstone. They slid around a lot but some duct tape worked. It would be nice to have something like this as long as its strong enough.
Sticky Stone works well with wood and concrete board. The recommendation is to allow the bottom leveling row to cure for 15 minutes and then continue to install the rows above with no delay.
The only application this product is suitable for is the panel like stone you are installing. If you were to use this on a traditional thin stone veneer it would be nothing but a gigantic mess trying to glue each individual stone into place as well as the fact that most stonework requires a mortar joint anyways. Also the way the glue is applied onto the back of the stone allows water to collect in the voids between the adhesive and could be problematic in the future.
We find that Sticky Stone is the most effective with large format veneer or panel stone. The purpose of vertical beads 3" apart is so that when it rains the water can make its way out from underneath the stone without being trapped.
It looks like a very simple to apply alternative,but even with vertical lines of adhesive I wonder how well it would hold after 5 years of freezing and thawing cycles of here in northern New York Adirondack region?
Be sure to apply in temps above 32 °F (0 °C) to ensure proper curing. Sticky stone is designed to withstand freeze and thaw cycles after the proper curing process has finished.
How has this sticky stone held up over the past 2 years? I'm coming up on a very similar project and this product seems like a total game-changer for folks like me trying to do a DIY home improvement with no masonry experience. My main concern is that this product is so new and there isn't much information out there about its' performance over time. Thanks!
We've had this on our building for the past 2 years. We allowed water to go behind the stone for a year to test if the freeze thaw cycle mixed w/ water would have any effect. We were excited to see that the product was so strong, it was still very hard to chisel off. You can use your own judgement but we feel the product has done very well over time.
Thank you for the reply, glad it's holding up so far! Is this the primary product you use for most exterior veneer installations now? Curious if there are still use cases where mortar would be preferred (or maybe even necessary). For example, I'm looking to install a stone veneer next to a saltwater pool with some water fall features coming through them. Between the water falls and the location right next to the pool, do you think this would still hold up?
@@stevenprendergast9767 Once stickystone has cured general watershed will not affect its integrity. As always be sure to do vertical beads so no water collects behind the stone. Good luck with your project!
I'm considering using Sticky Stone. Wi it work on a cured concrete foundation? Mine was poured in 2007, and nothing done to the exterior. How shouldI prep the concrete foundation?
I want to make a Hearth for my wood stove. I have a 5' by 5' platform and a 5' by 6' back. Will this product work on Rock Board? Wil this product works with the heat of a wood stove. I mean will they start falling off from the back board?
No wonder it is the greatest since sliced bread. $50 a tube, $100 for the plastic dispenser. Can't even buy it without going through a distributor either.
Alright all, this is a first to me, but after tracking down a distributor near me, I ordered a dispenser and 4 tubes for a stone veneer job. Figured I'd give it a test. Ended up being 170 for 4 tubes and a dispenser, so actually not that crazy expensive since the dispenser will be used again. Install was painless, went well. Dispenser is actually pretty nice, high quality metal and plastic where it makes sense. Would be awesome if tips weren't used up (sticky stone hardens in the tip- a good cleaning would let you re-use it). Assuming it holds up, I am changing my ways.
I am going to be replacing a vynil siding on the front of my house and I am planning on doing a stone veneer. I like the potential of this product. I am wondering if you are starting from a concrete base to rest the stone on, do you lay a bottom bead? I also am trying to think about how you prevent the gaps that termites find thier way into.
If you are going an exterior application I would suggest screwing hardie-backer or concrete board to existing plywood and then use a water proofing product (Ardex 8+9 is a good product) and tape and seal of all the seams. So you don’t introduce moister to the plywood. Then you would adhere your stone to this. I would screw a temporary 2x4 on the bottom to hold first rows of stone and remove when you are done.
Can you use Sticky Stone for placing stone veneer on the bottom of archways without the need for vertical support holding the stone in place until it dries?
It depends on the weight of the stone. If it starts to sag you will have to place support underneath the stone but once it dries enough you will be all set to remove the support.
That's EXACTLY the same caulk gun hyrda blok had for their shower system, now they sell regular caulk tubes....there is no way this works long term..unlike these guys i'm a licensed contractor who's being doing masonry for 35 plus years..you do not have to wait for your base course to set up to set veneers...shamwow horseshit
Well educate me as to what happens when moisture finds a way to build up between the wall and the veneer stone surface, and then freezes? There are as you know roll on adhesives that are intended to be used as a bonding agent on things like painted block walls so stucco can be applied on those painted surfaces. But dont try that in parts of the country where temperatures go below freezing. Mind you now that drilling a series of holes in solid rock and filling them with water, is a method used for splitting the stone. Such is the power of freezing water.
The installation method of Sticky Stone is to use vertical beads 3" apart which allows enough air space for moisture to dissipate. This prevents moisture to build up between the wall and veneer stone.
Stone, like other things including Brick, is layed in mortar, and lasts for very long periods of time. It also requires well trained people to do it. This type of a product isnt intended to be a long lasting solution, simply meant to look good , be economical, and require less skilled people to install it.
Not sure it will hold up against the oppressive heat of Phoenix. There are 16 - 20 weeks of oven bake every summer. If it is out side and not made of stone or steel, it has no place in this desert.
Sticky Stone will last as long as the paint lasts (typically 30 years). For longer lasting application remove the paint to reveal the concrete surface.
Sticky Stone can adhere to ICF walls but we wouldn't recommend using it to apply heavy product. Heavy and light are relative definitions. What type of product are you trying to apply and roughly how much does it weigh?
Sticky stone in a tube will cost you about a dollar per square foot. So, $1.00 x 20,000 feet would cost about $20,000. Holy crap this stuff is expensive. Also why the hell would you adhere it to Tyvek? The weight of the stone will in time start to pull off the Tyvek along with it.
This is a specialty item, we are seeing our customers use it on smaller veneer projects, where time saving and avoiding a large mess is worth the investment. Studies show StickyStone is up to 50% faster to install than using mortar. Calculate your labor cost and see if it's worth the extra investment.
Nope..I've broke down mortar over a hundred years old..a tube o glue ...no..so many problems with that..long term ,won't last,there's no way that's going to last 30 to 40 years
For testing purposes we pressure washed the painted surface thoroughly to see how it would hold up. We have not had any issues but we would recommend wire brushing the painted surface to confirm that you are getting good adhesion. You have to use your own judgement the stickystone is only as good as the substrate you attach it too.
Mortar might weigh more but the cost isn't near what that stuff costs. The gun and only 3 tubes of sticky stone is $136! Kinda spendy. Imagine what a case of it costs?! I decided to go a different route and use Loctite Premium Fast Grab which is plenty strong and much cheaper (using a normal caulking gun)
Cheap isn't good, and good isn't cheap! We hope it holds up for you... many of the Loctite products do not hold up in freeze and thaw climates, or in wet climates (according to testing we've found on Google). Sticky stone withstands all weather, and can resist over 10 times the weight that cheaper adhesives can. Depending on the project, it is well worth the investment.
Sticky Stone will work on ledger stone but what specific type of material would you be applying it to regarding a bbq island? We sell Sticky Stone here: pavetool.com/products/techniseal-sticky-stone
@@reynantelicerio2298 Yes that will work but I recommend watching this video where we explain the application on concrete board starting @ 2:10: ua-cam.com/video/knwiNLFQlXc/v-deo.html
Sticky Stone can adhere to ICF walls but we wouldn't recommend using it to apply heavy product. Heavy and light are relative definitions. What type of product are you trying to apply and roughly how much does it weigh?
@@tdmallet This is the most information that we know at this time regarding ICF block. This is a situation where we don't want to give incorrect information but hope to in the future. I know this might be a little frustrating but hope you understand.
Hey guys. If you’re going to use a product like this grab yourself a pair of diagonal cutters to snip the end of the tube instead of a knife like this gentleman used. It’s better and definitely less messy not to mention safer.
Commercially advises you to accept new way, cause it saves time, costs more and promotes repeat customers. Can't have you using time tested cheap mortar and not be a repeat customer.
This stuff is a joke. Locally it is $26 per tube or just shy of $30 with tax. $312 for a case of 12 plus tax. Maybe the manufacturer thinks they are selling gold and silver in a tube. You can do this with pure Silicone and still save 50% and Silicone will be there for 100 years. I asked the local guy at the store if he sells a lot of this stuff and he said I have not sold a single tube so far
If what's working for you satisfies your needs we aren't going to knock your procedure. Sometimes change isn't easy or necessary. We wouldn't sell a product that we don't stand behind and can assure you Sticky Stone lives up to its name.
Yes, it's a strong product for sure. As you saw in the video, we've used it with veneer stone on our own building (goes through freeze and thaw cycles), and has remained durable and resilient to this day!
STICKYSTONE™ is perfect for veneering applications on a wide variety of substrates, including but not limited to : -Gypsum boards/ drywall -Wood, pressure-treated wood, and plywood -Brick -Concrete blocks -Cement boards Possible veneer materials include, but are not limited to : -Manufactured, decorative, or natural stone -Alternative masonry -Outdoor porcelain tiles or glass -Wood and composite materials -Concrete pavers
We are unsure of what your scenario is, but as long as the wall is structural/not failing, and you install while it is dry and allow it to cure dry, keep your beads vertical so that water can flow and not build up, you should be ok. Add weep holes if needed.
Yes, it does cost more than standard mortar but it's the value that you're paying for. The value is in the time saved in mixing mortar as well as the cleanliness with no waste left behind.
Yeah....with the prevalent standard of disposable construction, who needs mortar anyway. Anything that lasts 1 to 2 decades is just fine. I can't see this being a product that lasts past that if anywhere even NEAR. Oh...it's "had a lot of testing?" Yeah.....hasn't everything? ;-)
Yet another product that puts a nail in the coffin of Traditional masonry and the mason's skills. All this product does, is dumb down the mason's art. This is for people who want to do everything the lazy way. I guarantee this will look like crap within 5 years. Whereas the coliseum, the houses of Parliament, The White House and Senate, will be there long after this product fails. This product suits those kinds of builders who want to build cheaply and don't care about the product's maintenance or shelf life. It's up there with the faux screw on stone panels cheap builders use. Thanks for helping to kill the masonry trades.
@@margerykirner5604 You want to move into the future, but you revere the buildings of the past. How are you construct new monuments for future generations to admire if they're all built with false stone and glue? The reason America's old buildings have survived, is because they were built using traditional methods, not crude money saving methods. You don't see the Coliseum, the Houses of Parliament, nor the Washington memorial built out of false stone and glue do you?
@@keithboyd1157 I am about to start a faux stone project. I do see what you are saying, but if we all thought like you, then we would be tripping around in horse drawn vehicles. Love the art in the ancient buildings , but we can create these looking into the future.
@@margerykirner5604 I'm not sure where you draw the inference from my previous replies, that I want us to go back to the horse drawn carriage days, although to save the planet that might not be a bad idea. I'm saying that these kinds of temporary, short term profit making ideas, don't last and are not designed to. If America spent more time rehabilitating its old buildings, instead of knocking them down and replacing with them structures that don't last 50 years, then you'd all be better off. My company specializes in Historic Masonry repairs, using traditional materials and methods. If those skills are diminished by these faux/false products, how do you pass the skills that took years to learn, down to the next generation, to preserve those buildings you deem worthy of keeping? One thing we have noticed, the repairs we're called on to do are for buildings much younger than they used to be. Instead of repairs to structures built in the 18800's/ early 1900's, we're increasingly getting called upon to repair structures built in the 1970's onwards. For us to be called upo0n to rep[air a structure that is less than 10 years old, is a sure sign that traditional skills are being lost, and replaced by people who only know how to build in faux.
The biggest problem I see you guys facing is that any new construction and in particular commercial construction has engineering specs. You must follow the installation requirements or you will be in some serious trouble and to date I've never seen a spec call out for this type of adhesive. There will also be hesitation on unproven technology. I've been bitten myself with manufacturers claiming there product is great but having it fail later. I had this happen about a 2 years ago with a new firebrick adhesive. Fortunately, the general contractor provided the adhesive and I specifically detailed in the contract that we were not responsible for it. Less then a year later it failed, badly. Not saying this will happen with your product but there will be an uphill battle to convince old school masons and engineers.
Hello Ryan, You make a fair statement and I'm sure that was an unpleasant experience for you. Techniseal is a company that has been around since 1984 and their products have proven themselves. Please visit this link for their full specs/test methods: techniseal.com/pub/media/catalog/product/pdf/t/d/tds_stickystone_60050572_us_en.pdft
@@PaverToolInnovators I might try it out for some smaller projects and repairs see how it works but on larger projects you pretty much have to follow the installation method described by the engineer/architect. If you guys could get more companies to specify your installation method maybe it could be a snowball effect.
@@Ryan-ff2db Sounds good. Feel free to keep us updated on what you find. We will definitely be doing more in-depth videos in the future. Thanks again for the input it's much appreciated.
We plan to do the test on sheet rock, the paper will peel off the compound if you are installing heavy stone for substantial length, we wont know the exact weight and max height until we do more testing.
Yes, it does cost more than standard mortar but it's the value that you're paying for. The value is in the time saved in mixing mortar as well as the cleanliness with no waste left behind.
What kind of stone panels are those? Exactly what I'm looking for
instone - Interloc Natural Stone Panels
Save yourself a ton of money and make your own. Some great UA-cam videos on this subject, and they are very simple to make.
@@DayHiker often money isn't the limiting factor, but time is.
@@DayHiker Nope. These aren't castings. This is a bed of concrete into which stone is mounted.
@@PaverToolInnovators Whats the price of those?
Two years later and this wall still looks like the day it was done when I stop in there!
Only time will tell if this product holds up. Mortar has done proved itself pretty good
This product has had a lot of testing done on it... If I can get a hold of the spec sheet I will for ya... Thanks
@@PaverToolInnovators I own a brick home. Could I do the complete outside of my house with this product if I wanted to. ?
@@clevewilks4312 you could, by why would you on a brick home?... maybe do bottom 3 feet as an accent, but anymore than that i think you're just trapping moisture in the brick going forward
@@notimportant3686 The installation method of Sticky Stone is to use vertical beads 3" apart which allows enough air space for moisture to dissipate. This prevents moisture to build up between the wall and veneer stone.
@@clevewilks4312 Your brick and mortar would need to be in good shape. Make sure to use vertical beads 3" apart to allow enough air space for moisture to dissipate and to follow all manufacturer's guidelines and recommendations for the best outcome: techniseal.com/pub/media/catalog/product/pdf/t/d/tds_stickystone_can_en.pdf
Uuum..... You're placing a LOT of trust in the paint on that block. I would have brushed that A LOT, down to the block.
The adhesive will stick to the paint just fine. I wouldn't trust the paint to stick to the building forever.
Thank you? Such a great demonstration!!
Where can I get those large sheets of veneer stone?
instone :)
Nice product. I did a project quite a few years . I screwed hardy board to studs then buttered brick veneer with liquid nail and spaced evenly. Then mixed mortar , went through with a mortar bag and smoothed out the joints. Went pretty smooth
Where would we be without Liquid Nails?
What happens when the paint peels, will the adhesive that is attached to the paint come off?
Sticky Stone will last as long as the paint lasts (typically 30 years). For longer lasting application remove the paint to reveal the concrete surface.
I bought some thin flagstone and covered the wooden pillars on the front of my hose. They were normally wrapped with rough cedar boards but after a year they looked like crap. I treated the cedar boards then wrapped over the top with concrete boards then used construction adhesive to attack the flagstone. They slid around a lot but some duct tape worked. It would be nice to have something like this as long as its strong enough.
Sticky Stone works well with wood and concrete board. The recommendation is to allow the bottom leveling row to cure for 15 minutes and then continue to install the rows above with no delay.
I want to used this on the sides of my car so I don't get dents in parking lots
😂😂😂 Nice one!
It seems if what you are featuring the stone veneer adhesive. What stone did you use?
instone panels
Thank You ☺️ Ver user friendly
What product was painted onto the already painted CMU wall? I see the color is different on the lower portion of the wall.
Sticky stone is great but for 80 or more dollars for one tube i will
“Stick” with mortor
The only application this product is suitable for is the panel like stone you are installing. If you were to use this on a traditional thin stone veneer it would be nothing but a gigantic mess trying to glue each individual stone into place as well as the fact that most stonework requires a mortar joint anyways. Also the way the glue is applied onto the back of the stone allows water to collect in the voids between the adhesive and could be problematic in the future.
We find that Sticky Stone is the most effective with large format veneer or panel stone. The purpose of vertical beads 3" apart is so that when it rains the water can make its way out from underneath the stone without being trapped.
It looks like a very simple to apply alternative,but even with vertical lines of adhesive I wonder how well it would hold after 5 years of freezing and thawing cycles of here in northern New York Adirondack region?
@@dalerounds4036 Is it really true that the temperature up there gets as low as 52 below zero F? :-)
Will it hold in cold climate, like MN, WI, etc?
Be sure to apply in temps above 32 °F (0 °C) to ensure proper curing. Sticky stone is designed to withstand freeze and thaw cycles after the proper curing process has finished.
How much does this cost ?
Please check out STICKYSTONE at PaveTool.com
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Is there a coping for the top or a drip edge? How do you finish it off?
I want to insulate my cinderblock first with foam board panels, can I glue to those panels?
How has this sticky stone held up over the past 2 years? I'm coming up on a very similar project and this product seems like a total game-changer for folks like me trying to do a DIY home improvement with no masonry experience. My main concern is that this product is so new and there isn't much information out there about its' performance over time. Thanks!
We've had this on our building for the past 2 years. We allowed water to go behind the stone for a year to test if the freeze thaw cycle mixed w/ water would have any effect. We were excited to see that the product was so strong, it was still very hard to chisel off. You can use your own judgement but we feel the product has done very well over time.
Thank you for the reply, glad it's holding up so far! Is this the primary product you use for most exterior veneer installations now? Curious if there are still use cases where mortar would be preferred (or maybe even necessary). For example, I'm looking to install a stone veneer next to a saltwater pool with some water fall features coming through them. Between the water falls and the location right next to the pool, do you think this would still hold up?
@@stevenprendergast9767 Once stickystone has cured general watershed will not affect its integrity. As always be sure to do vertical beads so no water collects behind the stone. Good luck with your project!
So if we want to apply this to a project house and it has the old 1950 style Hardy type siding can we apply directly to that?
Stickystone is only as strong as the substrate that you apply it to, so use your best judgement!
What about painted block or painted concrete
What about painted block or painted concrete
What’s the Cementitious Waterproofer used in this video? Thanks!
Awesome
Thank you for watching!
I'm considering using Sticky Stone. Wi it work on a cured concrete foundation? Mine was poured in 2007, and nothing done to the exterior. How shouldI prep the concrete foundation?
Just be sure the foundation is nice and clean and you'll have no issues adhering to the foundation with Sticky Stone.
I want to make a Hearth for my wood stove. I have a 5' by 5' platform and a 5' by 6' back. Will this product work on Rock Board? Wil this product works with the heat of a wood stove. I mean will they start falling off from the back board?
You can use StickyStone outside the wood stove but nothing inside that will see extreme heat
No way this last as long as mortar and control test are light years apart from mother nature.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ol’ school
Does it come with any kind of warranty against the stone veneer falling off or are there any issues with rain or freezing temps?
I was wondering the same thing. Without full coverage of the adhesive/mortar layer water and ice can collect, expand, and cause delamination issues.
We recommend making the beads 3" apart so water can't collect.
No wonder it is the greatest since sliced bread. $50 a tube, $100 for the plastic dispenser. Can't even buy it without going through a distributor either.
Alright all, this is a first to me, but after tracking down a distributor near me, I ordered a dispenser and 4 tubes for a stone veneer job. Figured I'd give it a test. Ended up being 170 for 4 tubes and a dispenser, so actually not that crazy expensive since the dispenser will be used again.
Install was painless, went well. Dispenser is actually pretty nice, high quality metal and plastic where it makes sense. Would be awesome if tips weren't used up (sticky stone hardens in the tip- a good cleaning would let you re-use it).
Assuming it holds up, I am changing my ways.
I am going to be replacing a vynil siding on the front of my house and I am planning on doing a stone veneer. I like the potential of this product. I am wondering if you are starting from a concrete base to rest the stone on, do you lay a bottom bead? I also am trying to think about how you prevent the gaps that termites find thier way into.
If you are going an exterior application I would suggest screwing hardie-backer or concrete board to existing plywood and then use a water proofing product (Ardex 8+9 is a good product) and tape and seal of all the seams. So you don’t introduce moister to the plywood. Then you would adhere your stone to this. I would screw a temporary 2x4 on the bottom to hold first rows of stone and remove when you are done.
That is amazing stuff! Even the ladies can do this . I love this!
Even the ladies can do it? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Can you use Sticky Stone for placing stone veneer on the bottom of archways without the need for vertical support holding the stone in place until it dries?
It depends on the weight of the stone. If it starts to sag you will have to place support underneath the stone but once it dries enough you will be all set to remove the support.
@@PaverToolInnovators Thanks so much for the quick reply.
@@kiheidude No problem, sorry we did not get to you a few days ago! If you have any other questions please let us know. Good luck!
That's EXACTLY the same caulk gun hyrda blok had for their shower system, now they sell regular caulk tubes....there is no way this works long term..unlike these guys i'm a licensed contractor who's being doing masonry for 35 plus years..you do not have to wait for your base course to set up to set veneers...shamwow horseshit
Well educate me as to what happens when moisture finds a way to build up between the wall and the veneer stone surface,
and then freezes?
There are as you know roll on adhesives that are intended to be used as a bonding agent on things like painted block walls so stucco can be applied on those painted surfaces.
But dont try that in parts of the country where temperatures go below freezing.
Mind you now that drilling a series of holes in solid rock and filling them with water, is a method used for splitting the stone.
Such is the power of freezing water.
The installation method of Sticky Stone is to use vertical beads 3" apart which allows enough air space for moisture to dissipate. This prevents moisture to build up between the wall and veneer stone.
What happens when the glue expands and contracts due to freeze and thaw does the glue eventually get brittle and lose its hold over time
Stone, like other things including Brick, is layed in mortar, and lasts for very long periods of time.
It also requires well trained people to do it.
This type of a product isnt intended to be a long lasting solution, simply meant to look good , be economical, and require less skilled people to install it.
Question, I have a pored cement basement with un-even surface that looks like brick. Will or how does it work on that surface ?
What type of stone are you looking to veneer with?
Can this be used over metal lath? I already started to prep for the scratch coat
Yes we've had customers use it over metal lathe.
Thanks. Bought some yesterday@@PaverToolInnovators
What veneer are you using on the side of your building? I like that.
It is real natural stone that is made into these forms so they can be easily installed. Great product to work with the Sticky Stone
@@PaverToolInnovators Thanks. But: 1. What is the brand name and 2. Where do we buy it?
@@brendantully1950 Exactly
@@PaverToolInnovators we can all see that, I think people are looking for some specific information why dodge the question like that?
@@PaverToolInnovators what is the brand and color of the stone you’re using???
How would you apply to a river rock thin veneer stone ?
You would apply it the same way as this video shows with a vertical bead from top to bottom of the stone every 3 inches apart.
Not sure it will hold up against the oppressive heat of Phoenix. There are 16 - 20 weeks of oven bake every summer. If it is out side and not made of stone or steel, it has no place in this desert.
Yeh try this in Chicago and it might last 1 winter
Two angry guidos.
Wow you're made my project easy 😊
Glad I came across your channel
It looks like you appled to painted cinder block. Can you use it on painted cinder block?
Sticky Stone will last as long as the paint lasts (typically 30 years). For longer lasting application remove the paint to reveal the concrete surface.
Can this product be used on painted stucco?
Yes it can be used for this application.
Where can I get this sticky stone in long beach, California?
Hello Eric - There is contacts below the video for ya! It is an awesome product and my stone looks amazing.
Will this products adhere to ICF walls (EPS foam)? ICF wall will have a waterproof coating.
Sticky Stone can adhere to ICF walls but we wouldn't recommend using it to apply heavy product. Heavy and light are relative definitions. What type of product are you trying to apply and roughly how much does it weigh?
Can you install this over brick?
Yes you can just make sure that the brick surface is clean and not painted
Update please. Anyone has a photo of that building today and the veneer installed?
Photos from today 11/15/23 - i.gyazo.com/04a2bdf94ab4540caedd3de29ce3bfb1.jpg
Sticky stone in a tube will cost you about a dollar per square foot. So, $1.00 x 20,000 feet would cost about $20,000. Holy crap this stuff is expensive. Also why the hell would you adhere it to Tyvek? The weight of the stone will in time start to pull off the Tyvek along with it.
This is a specialty item, we are seeing our customers use it on smaller veneer projects, where time saving and avoiding a large mess is worth the investment. Studies show StickyStone is up to 50% faster to install than using mortar. Calculate your labor cost and see if it's worth the extra investment.
Nope..I've broke down mortar over a hundred years old..a tube o glue ...no..so many problems with that..long term ,won't last,there's no way that's going to last 30 to 40 years
But, aren't they just gluing it to PAINT? He just said it didn't stick to plastics! ? So?
Might have missed it- may I ask what you prepped the painted bricks with before applying the sticky stone and veneer?
For testing purposes we pressure washed the painted surface thoroughly to see how it would hold up. We have not had any issues but we would recommend wire brushing the painted surface to confirm that you are getting good adhesion. You have to use your own judgement the stickystone is only as good as the substrate you attach it too.
@@PaverToolInnovators thanks for responding.
no problem have a nice day! @@DavidLCangelloMDFACSNewYork
@@PaverToolInnovators you too!
I have a Basement Project I would like to start this winter. Can I use sticky stone glue / stone veneer on Go Board?
We cannot promise anything but yes we think it should work fine. Please refer to the user manual for all types of substrates sticky stone works on.
Mortar might weigh more but the cost isn't near what that stuff costs. The gun and only 3 tubes of sticky stone is $136! Kinda spendy. Imagine what a case of it costs?!
I decided to go a different route and use Loctite Premium Fast Grab which is plenty strong and much cheaper (using a normal caulking gun)
Cheap isn't good, and good isn't cheap! We hope it holds up for you... many of the Loctite products do not hold up in freeze and thaw climates, or in wet climates (according to testing we've found on Google). Sticky stone withstands all weather, and can resist over 10 times the weight that cheaper adhesives can. Depending on the project, it is well worth the investment.
I am installing a ledgerstone on my bbq island will this adhesive work? And also where can I get this product. TIA
Sticky Stone will work on ledger stone but what specific type of material would you be applying it to regarding a bbq island?
We sell Sticky Stone here: pavetool.com/products/techniseal-sticky-stone
@@PaverToolInnovators right now i have a cement board around my bbq island.
@@reynantelicerio2298 Yes that will work but I recommend watching this video where we explain the application on concrete board starting @ 2:10: ua-cam.com/video/knwiNLFQlXc/v-deo.html
@@PaverToolInnovators ok. Thank you for the info
Where can i get the items? Home depot carry them?
Can this be used on ICF?
Sticky Stone can adhere to ICF walls but we wouldn't recommend using it to apply heavy product. Heavy and light are relative definitions. What type of product are you trying to apply and roughly how much does it weigh?
@PaverToolInnovators makes sense. Can you recommend "lighter" products for external use?
@@tdmallet This is the most information that we know at this time regarding ICF block. This is a situation where we don't want to give incorrect information but hope to in the future. I know this might be a little frustrating but hope you understand.
Wow that stone is expensive.
Very cool. Your a good teacher.
Hey guys. If you’re going to use a product like this grab yourself a pair of diagonal cutters to snip the end of the tube instead of a knife like this gentleman used. It’s better and definitely less messy not to mention safer.
Commercially advises you to accept new way, cause it saves time, costs more and promotes repeat customers. Can't have you using time tested cheap mortar and not be a repeat customer.
If whatever you're using now works and you're content with it, we aren't going to knock it.
This product might be better than Ardez 77. Cant wait to hear about its longevity.
I count the word cementitious water proofer said 27 times
Can you only install over a concrete based substrate?
It can be installed on natural stone, concrete paver, porcelain tile, and wood.
Will it bond to Drylok?
Yes, it will. But the bond of the drylock to the concrete beneath it is the limiting factor in this application.
This stuff is a joke. Locally it is $26 per tube or just shy of $30 with tax. $312 for a case of 12 plus tax. Maybe the manufacturer thinks they are selling gold and silver in a tube. You can do this with pure Silicone and still save 50% and Silicone will be there for 100 years. I asked the local guy at the store if he sells a lot of this stuff and he said I have not sold a single tube so far
If what's working for you satisfies your needs we aren't going to knock your procedure. Sometimes change isn't easy or necessary. We wouldn't sell a product that we don't stand behind and can assure you Sticky Stone lives up to its name.
Can u use sticky stone to adhere exterior foam boards then topped with concrete?
I really want to find out more about this product
Please give us a call at (860) 870-8665 or email info@pavetool.com and one of our sales associates will be happy to help.
pretty rad
How many of ‘them’ steps….? Really?
The UK is in the caveman stage when it comes to building tech.
I doubt is this product will fail Have you ever stuck anything with Gorilla glue! It never comes off😂
Yes, it's a strong product for sure. As you saw in the video, we've used it with veneer stone on our own building (goes through freeze and thaw cycles), and has remained durable and resilient to this day!
That old man talk as is the people don't know $#!+
That stuff reminds me of Formstone they used on buildings last century.
Sorry, but they look cheap
Simple and easy at first. A year later, the adhesive failed and the rocks fell off the wall. LOL
I’m looking forward to trying this product 👍
It's Awesome! Guaranteed you'll love it. I like your intro by the way on your videos - did you use Fiverr?
Works excellent
@@Mkmike70 We're glad you like it and thank you very much for the great feedback!
I would redo the video and wear mics to improve audio. It would make the demostration (video) 100X better.
Thank you for the feedback. We've gotten new Sony Mics since then and use them on all of our videos.
Can this product be applied to brick, I have a brick home and am thinking about using this with the stone
It can be applied to brick to work alongside veneer stone. If you aren't referring to veneer stone what type are you referencing?
I just use Crazy Glue
Where can I buy the stone you are using?
look up instone - Interloc Natural Stone Panels
Does this only apply to thin stone veneer?
STICKYSTONE™ is perfect for veneering applications on a wide variety of substrates, including but not limited to :
-Gypsum boards/ drywall
-Wood, pressure-treated wood, and plywood
-Brick
-Concrete blocks
-Cement boards
Possible veneer materials include, but are not limited to :
-Manufactured, decorative, or natural stone
-Alternative masonry
-Outdoor porcelain tiles or glass
-Wood and composite materials
-Concrete pavers
Where can I find details on using Sticky Stone to adhere stone or brick to plywood/zip sheathing ?
techniseal.com/pub/media/catalog/product/pdf/t/d/tds_stickystone_can_en.pdf
Will this work on a wet wall? I mean, a block wall that has small leaks when it rains??
We are unsure of what your scenario is, but as long as the wall is structural/not failing, and you install while it is dry and allow it to cure dry, keep your beads vertical so that water can flow and not build up, you should be ok. Add weep holes if needed.
Just ordered a three pack with gun.
Thank you for choosing Pave Tool Innovators, we hope you enjoy the product!
I am redoing my indoor fireplace.. how does it work for that. Why not liquid nails?
Please give us a call at (860) 870-8665 or email info@pavetool.com and one of our sales associates will be happy to help.
If use a rubber mulet ( hammer) the tiles wil stick a lot better and you would be able to position the tile a lot better!
Coenie,
Thank you very much for watching the video and for your feedback!
Very interested. Who in Maine carries this? Have 1300 sq ft of natural stone thin veneer to do soon
Hi Rick. Please see the contacts below the video in the description - they can help you out!!
Very little waste but 3 times the money LOL
Yes, it does cost more than standard mortar but it's the value that you're paying for. The value is in the time saved in mixing mortar as well as the cleanliness with no waste left behind.
What brand is that veneer would you have a price per sq?
We used Interloc Natural Stone Panels produced by Instone. You can contact Instone at (708) 371-0660.
Yeah....with the prevalent standard of disposable construction, who needs mortar anyway. Anything that lasts 1 to 2 decades is just fine. I can't see this being a product that lasts past that if anywhere even NEAR. Oh...it's "had a lot of testing?" Yeah.....hasn't everything? ;-)
What brand and model of stone panel was used in this demo?
We used Interloc Natural Stone Panels produced by Instone.
Yet another product that puts a nail in the coffin of Traditional masonry and the mason's skills. All this product does, is dumb down the mason's art. This is for people who want to do everything the lazy way. I guarantee this will look like crap within 5 years. Whereas the coliseum, the houses of Parliament, The White House and Senate, will be there long after this product fails. This product suits those kinds of builders who want to build cheaply and don't care about the product's maintenance or shelf life. It's up there with the faux screw on stone panels cheap builders use. Thanks for helping to kill the masonry trades.
We appreciate your input. At the end of the day if you're content with what you're using for applications, we aren't going to knock you.
Everyone must move into the future! There will always be plenty of room for our amazing masons!
@@margerykirner5604 You want to move into the future, but you revere the buildings of the past. How are you construct new monuments for future generations to admire if they're all built with false stone and glue? The reason America's old buildings have survived, is because they were built using traditional methods, not crude money saving methods. You don't see the Coliseum, the Houses of Parliament, nor the Washington memorial built out of false stone and glue do you?
@@keithboyd1157 I am about to start a faux stone project. I do see what you are saying, but if we all thought like you, then we would be tripping around in horse drawn vehicles. Love the art in the ancient buildings , but we can create these looking into the future.
@@margerykirner5604 I'm not sure where you draw the inference from my previous replies, that I want us to go back to the horse drawn carriage days, although to save the planet that might not be a bad idea. I'm saying that these kinds of temporary, short term profit making ideas, don't last and are not designed to. If America spent more time rehabilitating its old buildings, instead of knocking them down and replacing with them structures that don't last 50 years, then you'd all be better off. My company specializes in Historic Masonry repairs, using traditional materials and methods. If those skills are diminished by these faux/false products, how do you pass the skills that took years to learn, down to the next generation, to preserve those buildings you deem worthy of keeping? One thing we have noticed, the repairs we're called on to do are for buildings much younger than they used to be. Instead of repairs to structures built in the 18800's/ early 1900's, we're increasingly getting called upon to repair structures built in the 1970's onwards. For us to be called upo0n to rep[air a structure that is less than 10 years old, is a sure sign that traditional skills are being lost, and replaced by people who only know how to build in faux.
The biggest problem I see you guys facing is that any new construction and in particular commercial construction has engineering specs. You must follow the installation requirements or you will be in some serious trouble and to date I've never seen a spec call out for this type of adhesive. There will also be hesitation on unproven technology. I've been bitten myself with manufacturers claiming there product is great but having it fail later. I had this happen about a 2 years ago with a new firebrick adhesive. Fortunately, the general contractor provided the adhesive and I specifically detailed in the contract that we were not responsible for it. Less then a year later it failed, badly. Not saying this will happen with your product but there will be an uphill battle to convince old school masons and engineers.
Hello Ryan,
You make a fair statement and I'm sure that was an unpleasant experience for you. Techniseal is a company that has been around since 1984 and their products have proven themselves. Please visit this link for their full specs/test methods: techniseal.com/pub/media/catalog/product/pdf/t/d/tds_stickystone_60050572_us_en.pdft
@@PaverToolInnovators I might try it out for some smaller projects and repairs see how it works but on larger projects you pretty much have to follow the installation method described by the engineer/architect. If you guys could get more companies to specify your installation method maybe it could be a snowball effect.
@@Ryan-ff2db Sounds good. Feel free to keep us updated on what you find. We will definitely be doing more in-depth videos in the future. Thanks again for the input it's much appreciated.
Could it go straight on stucco?
Sticky Stone will last as long as the stucco. For longer lasting results remove stucco and use stone directly on block.
Can this be applied to hardiboard?
Yes it can be applied to hardiboard.
How well does this work in regions with freeze thaw cycles, Chicago here.
It works very well in all weather conditions!
@@PaverToolInnovators thanks for reply, I will be purchasing a 3-pack and gun. Ill post a follow up
What happens when you attach to drywall is that you are only attaching to the paper when the paper separates your work will fall off
You never stick it to dry wall it will never handle the weight or moisture have to remove the drywall and install plywood or particle board
We plan to do the test on sheet rock, the paper will peel off the compound if you are installing heavy stone for substantial length, we wont know the exact weight and max height until we do more testing.
Do not put this, or any masonry product directly on drywall. Drywall is not made this.
Lick-n-stick stone like this is great but very expensive.
Yes, it does cost more than standard mortar but it's the value that you're paying for. The value is in the time saved in mixing mortar as well as the cleanliness with no waste left behind.
How about sticky stone around the fireplace surround . ..and the heat directly above a fireplace
It can be used on the outside of fireplaces (indoor and outdoor), but not inside fireboxes or for firebrick.