Lisle is precise and clear. However, he is inaccurate. BioLogos (Francis Collins's site) has responded Lisle's claims about light speed. Lisle's claims do not hold up at all.
Dr White I have a Bible College degree and I sat in my gown on graduation day and worshipped God that I made it through with my faith intact!! You are so correct in what you said about getting a degree in confusion!! Any Bible College that does not teach logic will most likely produce confusion!!! I learned logic initially from Dr Lisle! I made it to college without ever even hearing the concept of logic!!!
Dr White disagreed with Joe Scarborough (host of Morning Joe on MSNBC) about the Southern Baptists being pro-choice prior to 1980. In fact, it is very well documented (even a public statement by then SBC President, Criswell) that the official position of the SBC at the time was pro-choice. White is completely wrong on this one.
@@Roottus What a load of garbage "Free resources" and independent study doesn't even come close to what one experiences and learns in an academic setting---starting with Systematic Theology and survey courses of both the Old and New Testaments not to mention interaction with other fellow Christians. BTW which Bible College did you waste your money on?
@@Roottus The conversation was about a Bible College. What kind of dope answers a question with a question anyway? But I'll play your game...Westminster Theological Seminary Assumes 5 years to graduate....Based on a total program cost of $34,000. ...Bible College with various degrees not related to theology---CIU in South Carolina. Full time 12-18 credit hours $13,350. Both fees are reasonable and far less that secular schools. Without some sort of formal education you're just a theological duffer. A college educated individual with more that 4 brain cells should be able to find a job and negotiate a salary.
Oh man! To be in the same room with Dr. Lisle and Dr. White when they discuss Star Trek 😁You'll have to do one live stream with those two, and just have them discuss Star Trek. As a life long Trekkie, I would love to listen to that! Good episode, as always.
So we need someone to pick up the translation of John for the CBGM (Coherence-Based Genealogical Method) text to move forward? Very interesting and good to know. And James White's explanation of this method was gold. This is why I wait through the nonsense to find out things like this.
What is the difference between delusional and crazy? I know that all 3 are making money with what they are doing. So a third option is just hucksterism. There is no way for me to really get inside the minds of these guys so I guess I'll never really know what is motivating them.
The Bible says the stars are lights in the firmament, they are not distant. They are the same distance as the sun and moon which are also in the firmament.
my guess is people are speaking of the time the universe began and how some planets are light years away and we see them now. yes, Yahweh created it so, but that does not satisfy some people, and such is life
Pre-millennial, historic dispensationalist here. Two ages. This current, evil, wicked age and the Kingdom age to come. None of this "church age" bologna.
So there is no Church rn? Much of the so-called "church" is very evil, I will give you that. Seems like most are greedy for gain and simply use their liberty in Christ as an excuse to not be unified with other Christians. Every "church" wants to create their own brand and have their own philosophies and use that an excuse to not fellowship with other Christians. Seems like the Calvinist/ free will debate is one of those major excuses. That to me is not an excuse not fellowship with other Christians, yes that seems very wicked to me, but maybe it's not? I don't know much, only been a Christian a few months. Maybe you know the answer to these deeper questions because you seem to act like you know more than everyone else?
I find it crazy how people so versed in the Bible latch on to theories of men instead of believing Biblical cosmology. "The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment." Job 38:14
@@dauntusviews Does clay under a seal take shape like a ball? What direction are the "heavens above" on spinning ball/pear earth? "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Isaiah 40:22
Neither one gave a full response to Christopher Coleman at 1:26:00. The first guy gave only a philosophic response but had no idea where that question could have originated from (shame on him) and JRW began a response and knew where that question originates but did not address Christopher's question at all. Too bad because more and more people are listening to scholars talk about the Bible than theologians, and this is the point of the question. Why believe theologians instead of the scholars?
I like reading James White a lot and some of older debates a lot and sometimes he says very profound things, but these days it seems like he says things just to hear himself talk and has lost his ability to be concise and to the point. Just my two cents, still love the guy, but can't really get as much from him as I used to. That may just be me however. I do wait long for those one or two gems he throws in every once in a while when he takes a brief break from his side-noting and almost on accident tells a great truth.
19:45 I brought the ASC while at griffith observatory here in Los Angeles when in line gazing at I think it was Saturn. The person running the telescope 🔭 said he had heard of it, but some sort of manager in a suit made a loud noise of disgust and turned his back on me 🫡
I think that these type of worn out questions are distractions from the deep questions that we need to address in CHRISTIANITY. Most of these have been argued over way too long. When are we going to obey the Bible and unify as Christians in the faith and stop bickering over things that have nothing to do with our call to be salt and light in the world? Can you tell me where in the Bible that Jesus told his follower to not associate with Chritants because they were or were not Calvinists? If they were or not creationists? If they are "conservative", "fundamentalist", "liberal" or not. The only thing I see is if they say that Jesus has come in the flesh and is the sacrifice for our sins to allow the will of God the Father. Some are saved some are not. All I see is that both Jew and gentile alike will share in the glory of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for all eternity, if they obey the words of the Bible and confess their sins and repent from them and trust in Jesus as the king of their life choices.
So people have no power or ability to be saved. If a person is not saved, it is because God chose them to be not saved. God damned them to hell from birth. God creates specific people for the purpose to go to hell for eternity? He loved these people so much! Maybe he should have loved them a little less?
Your logic is unbiblical. According to the Bible, after the fall, every person is born with a sinful nature, dead in their sins. They are enemies. But God decided to show love for humanity (which does not imply every single individual) by choosing a people to be his own. God chooses people for salvation. Now, you can state not choosing is a choice all day long, but then you are arguing with the God himself. Good luck with that. God chose the lineage of Seth and not Cain after the fall. He Abraham and not other man. He chose Israel and did not send prophets and a law for other nations. He chose Jacob, Paul, the Apostles, and the people in which city when the first missionaries preached the gospel. The whole theme if the Bible is that God chooses his people. It doea not deny the reality we need to "choose" him but that is the the point. We can only love him because he loves us first. We can only chose him because he chose us first.
@@Luiz__Silva "We can only chose him because he chose us first." That's what I mean. Just think it through. God creates specific people to burn forever. God could have not created them. It's as if I created a puppy or human, made it immortal then spent the rest of eternity starving, burning, and kicking it and there was nothing it could do from birth.
@@gabrielteo3636 "Just think it through. God creates specific people to burn forever." This has been thought through, believe me. You're not the first and only to raise such objection. Every Christian I know at some point struggled with that to some extent. That is okay. The problem is if you get through that fearing God in awe or hating God in despair. In fact that objection is so common that the Bible dedicates a relatively large section to it. Here's a snippet: "And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.' As it is written, 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.' What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?' But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? In essence, the problem with your reasoning is that you are using a very narrow and short-sighted definitions of what is just and fair. No offense, we're all humans and thus short sighted. And that's because we should not be trying to tell God what is just and right and fair but learn from him. I'm sorry to disappoint you but you will not be able to understand all this by following the "disney principle", that is, looking inside your self and reason through the simplistic human logic inside your head. You need to expand your perspective with what God has revealed and then you'll be able to start making sense of such things. Also consider that God expects much more than intellectual satisfaction from Christians. He should be the focus of all our love and affections. Until you can love Him by whom He is, you won't be a mature Christian. To start, please be reminded God's ways are much higher than our ways. That all praise and worship are due to Him and not to be divided with anyone. God wants to display his attributes, including his Wrath and Grace. The fallen angels did not have a chance to repent. The fact that we even have a chance to regain perfection is a tremendous miracle in itself. We all should have been cast to hell on our first transgression. We should not make God's patience and delaying of the right justice we deserve a cheap and minor thing. God being exalted throughout creation by the punishment of evil is, in itself, sufficient to explain why God allows evil. The light brights shiner in contrast with the dark. Justice requires punishing evil. You may understand most of that to some extent, but may still be questioning: "But shouldn't everyone have the same opportunity to accept Jesus?". We obviously know that not everybody had that. Many people die in isolated tribes around the world. Some theologians (e.g. C.S. Lewis) speculate that God may still save people that are are sincere in their religion even without particular knowledge of God, but let's be honest, that's trying to fix a moral problem with a contradiction to what the Bible teaches. The fact of life is that God chose not to reveal himself to everybody. My short answer to this such issue is "let God be God" because He knows what is fair. But so I don't get way more verbose than what I already did, I will just ask you to consider the billions of people today that know christianity and sometimes hear about it on a daily or weekly basis and still blatantly reject it. As time goes by, people are displaying much more contempt towards God and becoming "prouder" (pun intended) of their sins, showing them off to the world as their identity. That's the human nature in display as God removes his common grace and delivers sinners to their sins as in Romans 1.
@@Luiz__Silva God chooses people. But He also created millions of horrible sinners anyway, just so He could reject them? This is Calvinism. It is brutal determinism and has no space for human choice. Calvinism is attractive if you want a cold and angry version of God. But it is not authentic Christianity. God is good. God is love. He gives everyone a chance to love Him or reject Him. That's the teaching of Orthodox Christianity that dates to the 1st century.
@@dvforeverOk, think through this for a minute, unless you’re an open theist, then you can’t be helped. But here is the scenario, you reject Reformed soteriology, ok what does this leave you with: God created people He knew we’re going to reject Him , yes? But He still created them knowing they were going to reject Him and go to damnation, yes? Why did He do that? Is there something or someone more powerful than God compelling Him to create them? No. So why did He still chose to do it? At the end of the day you are condemning Calvinism, but you are in the same boat as well. And don’t give me the standard answer, He loved us so much He gave us a choice. At the end of the day , God still created individuals He knew we’re going to Hell, and nothing or no one was exerting any force upon Him to do so. If He loved everyone so much, that isn’t very loving. But the biblical truth is some were created to be a show of His justice, while others were to be a show of His mercy (Romans 9:20-23)
Why listen to fallible Protestant Pastors like James White, when we have the infallible Holy Scriptures? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
Lisle has been challenged to present his data concerning YEC before a group of astrophysicists several times. He has refused every time. This tells me he is not confident enough that his positions to withstand critical analysis.
@@douglasmcnay644 I think (I could be wrong) i was during his debate with Hugh Ross. I remember it was in a video debate. I will try to confirm that. Also, BioLogos (Dr. Francis Collins's group) has responded (with great detail) negatively to Lisle's notion of light speed.
@@Roottus You said: "Jason is very smart but he is a gentle soul and low energy. I don't think he could be up to a challege of going into a lion's den.". Lisle is a Phd scientist. Going into the "lion's den" is part of the job.
@@Roottus Heliocentricity does not posit that the sun is the center of the universe, but that of the Solar System. Geocentricity does posit that the Earth is the center of the entire universe. The Sun/Son moves on the heart of man giving him light. Man is unable to be saved without Jesus actively bringing the light to man, hence the geocentric universe gives glory to the Son who is active in bringing the light to a cold, dark, still Earth.
Dr Lyle thinks light travels infinite speed in some directions? It would be nice if he had some experiment to show it instead of just asserting it. Maybe the speed of my flatulence travels at infinite speed in a vacuum, too? Regardless, God sure made the earth and the universe seem old. Does God deceive?
There is no universe, therefore it is not old because it doesn’t exist, Yahuah is not deceitful. Men don’t believe Genesis 1. Everything in the sky is within the firmament which is a solid cover over the earth.
No offense guys, but all of the discussion about the technical difficulties and everything is meaningless and as a professional should have been edited out.
@@11gdean thanks for sharing your thoughts, but I rarely edit my videos because I haven’t the time. That is why most of the videos on my channel are Live;) UA-cam is not my full-time job. -Peace!
@@RevealedApologeticsWhy can't you provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god Eli? Or a valid and sound sylogism using presupp to show your god exists?
@christianchannel8755 How on earth do you know god is immutable when you can't even show it EXISTS? (Please correct me if I'm wrong) You claim I know your god exists. That's rude, obnoxious, proposterous and arrogant! I certainly don't know that or I wouldn't be an atheist. 1. Please support your asinine claim that I know a god exists with credible evidence? 2. Please present credible evidence that your god exists or is Christianity merely a method of socially controlling the simple minded Christians for money and indoctrinating innocent children?
@@christianchannel8755 Yeah I certainly do claim that and it's testable, demonstrable, independently verifiable and falsifiable! Now you claim I do know your god exists despite me, the only person with access to my thoughts, telling you the complete opposite. So please present credible evidence that I know your god exists despite me telling you I don't? Or was it a total lie?
Limited atonement is not heresy. This is biblical. God is sovereign and chose who he will save and passed over others from before the foundation of the world.
So God, all throughout the New Testament, commands me to walk in faith, yet all the while causes me to sin to satisfy the eternal decree? The bible doesn't bear out an eternal, exhaustive, decree.
When Eli asked if Dr White got raptured after the first minute I fell over laughing 😂 👏
😂😂😂
Even though it is a rubbish doctrine, I still would have thrown some laundry on the chair before logging back in.
Very informative you need to make this a weekly thing. God bless Eli
Bahnsen U is🔥🔥🔥🔥 and has been the greatest blessing. Highly recommend! Thank you Apologia for providing such incredible resources!
Time flys, finally settling down to watch this! Some of my favorite people ever!
Two Giants of the apologetics! I have a lot of books of both authors. Greetings from Brazil!
Want 2 giants of Christian Apologetics? Try Alvin Plantinga and Francis Collins. Both men leave these guys in the dust.
@ricardofolive
“Two Giants of the apologetics!”
WHERE?!
@@christianuniversalist Jason Lisle and James White. Here! In front of You
@@manager0175 I don't seem to recall seeing Plantinga or Collins these days debating Muslims, atheists and sharing the gospel on a college campus.
@@ZebZanko They are defenders of the faith. And today they are the BEST defenders of the faith.
Awesome!!! Dr Lisle I appreciate how and concisely, clearly you communicate and how you truly do put the cookies on the lower shelf!!!!
Lisle is precise and clear. However, he is inaccurate. BioLogos (Francis Collins's site) has responded Lisle's claims about light speed. Lisle's claims do not hold up at all.
Dr White I have a Bible College degree and I sat in my gown on graduation day and worshipped God that I made it through with my faith intact!! You are so correct in what you said about getting a degree in confusion!! Any Bible College that does not teach logic will most likely produce confusion!!! I learned logic initially from Dr Lisle! I made it to college without ever even hearing the concept of logic!!!
Dr White disagreed with Joe Scarborough (host of Morning Joe on MSNBC) about the Southern Baptists being pro-choice prior to 1980. In fact, it is very well documented (even a public statement by then SBC President, Criswell) that the official position of the SBC at the time was pro-choice. White is completely wrong on this one.
@@Roottus What a load of garbage "Free resources" and independent study doesn't even come close to what one experiences and learns in an academic setting---starting with Systematic Theology and survey courses of both the Old and New Testaments not to mention interaction with other fellow Christians. BTW which Bible College did you waste your money on?
@@Roottus The conversation was about a Bible College. What kind of dope answers a question with a question anyway? But I'll play your game...Westminster Theological Seminary Assumes 5 years to graduate....Based on a total program cost of $34,000. ...Bible College with various degrees not related to theology---CIU in South Carolina. Full time 12-18 credit hours $13,350. Both fees are reasonable and far less that secular schools. Without some sort of formal education you're just a theological duffer. A college educated individual with more that 4 brain cells should be able to find a job and negotiate a salary.
Jason Legend
Two of my most favorite people! Both great apologists and great reformed ministers!
thanks my two favorite apologists
Oh man! To be in the same room with Dr. Lisle and Dr. White when they discuss Star Trek 😁You'll have to do one live stream with those two, and just have them discuss Star Trek. As a life long Trekkie, I would love to listen to that!
Good episode, as always.
Wow! Three of my favourite apologists all in one episode 😮🔥
I think Francis Collins and Alvin Plantinga are the premier Christian apologists today.
So we need someone to pick up the translation of John for the CBGM (Coherence-Based Genealogical Method) text to move forward? Very interesting and good to know. And James White's explanation of this method was gold. This is why I wait through the nonsense to find out things like this.
What is the difference between delusional and crazy? I know that all 3 are making money with what they are doing. So a third option is just hucksterism. There is no way for me to really get inside the minds of these guys so I guess I'll never really know what is motivating them.
Battle of the book shelves..
What a treat!
Distant starlight was on the earth by the end of day four; "...and it was so". We don't need to worry about the speed of light.
The Bible says the stars are lights in the firmament, they are not distant. They are the same distance as the sun and moon which are also in the firmament.
my guess is people are speaking of the time the universe began and how some planets are light years away and we see them now. yes, Yahweh created it so, but that does not satisfy some people, and such is life
@@David-lq4tq huh? that did not make any sense and the sense that was made of it is ridiculous
I love that James and Jason are big Star Trek nerds. Absolutely love the Enterprise D warp core.
Pre-millennial, historic dispensationalist here.
Two ages. This current, evil, wicked age and the Kingdom age to come.
None of this "church age" bologna.
So there is no Church rn? Much of the so-called "church" is very evil, I will give you that. Seems like most are greedy for gain and simply use their liberty in Christ as an excuse to not be unified with other Christians. Every "church" wants to create their own brand and have their own philosophies and use that an excuse to not fellowship with other Christians. Seems like the Calvinist/ free will debate is one of those major excuses. That to me is not an excuse not fellowship with other Christians, yes that seems very wicked to me, but maybe it's not? I don't know much, only been a Christian a few months. Maybe you know the answer to these deeper questions because you seem to act like you know more than everyone else?
Dr. Lyle, how does GPS work all over the world for billions of different people in different locations with the one way speed of light varying?
Do apologists receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Sprirt?
1:11:38
I find it crazy how people so versed in the Bible latch on to theories of men instead of believing Biblical cosmology.
"The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment." Job 38:14
Amen, the creation verses are totally dismissed or called allegory so they can believe nasa.
That means it was beautifully crafted and designed, not that it’s flat…
@@dauntusviews Does clay under a seal take shape like a ball? What direction are the "heavens above" on spinning ball/pear earth?
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to dwell in"
Isaiah 40:22
Sir, how do angels fight?
Neither one gave a full response to Christopher Coleman at 1:26:00. The first guy gave only a philosophic response but had no idea where that question could have originated from (shame on him) and JRW began a response and knew where that question originates but did not address Christopher's question at all. Too bad because more and more people are listening to scholars talk about the Bible than theologians, and this is the point of the question. Why believe theologians instead of the scholars?
I like reading James White a lot and some of older debates a lot and sometimes he says very profound things, but these days it seems like he says things just to hear himself talk and has lost his ability to be concise and to the point. Just my two cents, still love the guy, but can't really get as much from him as I used to. That may just be me however. I do wait long for those one or two gems he throws in every once in a while when he takes a brief break from his side-noting and almost on accident tells a great truth.
dead men can't grab, they can't open the door in Rev 4, so they were the wedding guest of Jesus.
do you both believe in the resurrection?
19:45 I brought the ASC while at griffith observatory here in Los Angeles when in line gazing at I think it was Saturn. The person running the telescope 🔭 said he had heard of it, but some sort of manager in a suit made a loud noise of disgust and turned his back on me 🫡
I think that these type of worn out questions are distractions from the deep questions that we need to address in CHRISTIANITY. Most of these have been argued over way too long. When are we going to obey the Bible and unify as Christians in the faith and stop bickering over things that have nothing to do with our call to be salt and light in the world? Can you tell me where in the Bible that Jesus told his follower to not associate with Chritants because they were or were not Calvinists? If they were or not creationists? If they are "conservative", "fundamentalist", "liberal" or not. The only thing I see is if they say that Jesus has come in the flesh and is the sacrifice for our sins to allow the will of God the Father. Some are saved some are not. All I see is that both Jew and gentile alike will share in the glory of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for all eternity, if they obey the words of the Bible and confess their sins and repent from them and trust in Jesus as the king of their life choices.
So people have no power or ability to be saved. If a person is not saved, it is because God chose them to be not saved. God damned them to hell from birth. God creates specific people for the purpose to go to hell for eternity? He loved these people so much! Maybe he should have loved them a little less?
Your logic is unbiblical.
According to the Bible, after the fall, every person is born with a sinful nature, dead in their sins. They are enemies.
But God decided to show love for humanity (which does not imply every single individual) by choosing a people to be his own.
God chooses people for salvation.
Now, you can state not choosing is a choice all day long, but then you are arguing with the God himself. Good luck with that.
God chose the lineage of Seth and not Cain after the fall. He Abraham and not other man. He chose Israel and did not send prophets and a law for other nations. He chose Jacob, Paul, the Apostles, and the people in which city when the first missionaries preached the gospel. The whole theme if the Bible is that God chooses his people. It doea not deny the reality we need to "choose" him but that is the the point. We can only love him because he loves us first. We can only chose him because he chose us first.
@@Luiz__Silva "We can only chose him because he chose us first." That's what I mean. Just think it through. God creates specific people to burn forever. God could have not created them. It's as if I created a puppy or human, made it immortal then spent the rest of eternity starving, burning, and kicking it and there was nothing it could do from birth.
@@gabrielteo3636 "Just think it through. God creates specific people to burn forever."
This has been thought through, believe me. You're not the first and only to raise such objection. Every Christian I know at some point struggled with that to some extent. That is okay. The problem is if you get through that fearing God in awe or hating God in despair.
In fact that objection is so common that the Bible dedicates a relatively large section to it. Here's a snippet:
"And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.' As it is written, 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?' But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
In essence, the problem with your reasoning is that you are using a very narrow and short-sighted definitions of what is just and fair. No offense, we're all humans and thus short sighted. And that's because we should not be trying to tell God what is just and right and fair but learn from him.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but you will not be able to understand all this by following the "disney principle", that is, looking inside your self and reason through the simplistic human logic inside your head. You need to expand your perspective with what God has revealed and then you'll be able to start making sense of such things.
Also consider that God expects much more than intellectual satisfaction from Christians. He should be the focus of all our love and affections. Until you can love Him by whom He is, you won't be a mature Christian.
To start, please be reminded God's ways are much higher than our ways. That all praise and worship are due to Him and not to be divided with anyone. God wants to display his attributes, including his Wrath and Grace. The fallen angels did not have a chance to repent. The fact that we even have a chance to regain perfection is a tremendous miracle in itself. We all should have been cast to hell on our first transgression. We should not make God's patience and delaying of the right justice we deserve a cheap and minor thing. God being exalted throughout creation by the punishment of evil is, in itself, sufficient to explain why God allows evil. The light brights shiner in contrast with the dark. Justice requires punishing evil.
You may understand most of that to some extent, but may still be questioning: "But shouldn't everyone have the same opportunity to accept Jesus?". We obviously know that not everybody had that. Many people die in isolated tribes around the world. Some theologians (e.g. C.S. Lewis) speculate that God may still save people that are are sincere in their religion even without particular knowledge of God, but let's be honest, that's trying to fix a moral problem with a contradiction to what the Bible teaches. The fact of life is that God chose not to reveal himself to everybody. My short answer to this such issue is "let God be God" because He knows what is fair. But so I don't get way more verbose than what I already did, I will just ask you to consider the billions of people today that know christianity and sometimes hear about it on a daily or weekly basis and still blatantly reject it. As time goes by, people are displaying much more contempt towards God and becoming "prouder" (pun intended) of their sins, showing them off to the world as their identity. That's the human nature in display as God removes his common grace and delivers sinners to their sins as in Romans 1.
@@Luiz__Silva God chooses people. But He also created millions of horrible sinners anyway, just so He could reject them? This is Calvinism. It is brutal determinism and has no space for human choice. Calvinism is attractive if you want a cold and angry version of God.
But it is not authentic Christianity. God is good. God is love. He gives everyone a chance to love Him or reject Him. That's the teaching of Orthodox Christianity that dates to the 1st century.
@@dvforeverOk, think through this for a minute, unless you’re an open theist, then you can’t be helped. But here is the scenario, you reject Reformed soteriology, ok what does this leave you with: God created people He knew we’re going to reject Him , yes? But He still created them knowing they were going to reject Him and go to damnation, yes? Why did He do that? Is there something or someone more powerful than God compelling Him to create them? No. So why did He still chose to do it? At the end of the day you are condemning Calvinism, but you are in the same boat as well. And don’t give me the standard answer, He loved us so much He gave us a choice. At the end of the day , God still created individuals He knew we’re going to Hell, and nothing or no one was exerting any force upon Him to do so. If He loved everyone so much, that isn’t very loving. But the biblical truth is some were created to be a show of His justice, while others were to be a show of His mercy (Romans 9:20-23)
Why listen to fallible Protestant Pastors like James White, when we have the infallible Holy Scriptures? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
Jason Lisle needs to research geocentricity more. Robert Sungenis has offered several times to debate him on the issue.
Lisle has been challenged to present his data concerning YEC before a group of astrophysicists several times. He has refused every time. This tells me he is not confident enough that his positions to withstand critical analysis.
Care to cite a source to prove this claim?
@@douglasmcnay644 I think (I could be wrong) i was during his debate with Hugh Ross. I remember it was in a video debate. I will try to confirm that. Also, BioLogos (Dr. Francis Collins's group) has responded (with great detail) negatively to Lisle's notion of light speed.
@@Roottus You said: "Jason is very smart but he is a gentle soul and low energy. I don't think he could be up to a challege of going into a lion's den.". Lisle is a Phd scientist. Going into the "lion's den" is part of the job.
@@Roottus Heliocentricity does not posit that the sun is the center of the universe, but that of the Solar System. Geocentricity does posit that the Earth is the center of the entire universe. The Sun/Son moves on the heart of man giving him light. Man is unable to be saved without Jesus actively bringing the light to man, hence the geocentric universe gives glory to the Son who is active in bringing the light to a cold, dark, still Earth.
meh
Dr Lyle thinks light travels infinite speed in some directions? It would be nice if he had some experiment to show it instead of just asserting it. Maybe the speed of my flatulence travels at infinite speed in a vacuum, too? Regardless, God sure made the earth and the universe seem old. Does God deceive?
There is no universe, therefore it is not old because it doesn’t exist, Yahuah is not deceitful. Men don’t believe Genesis 1. Everything in the sky is within the firmament which is a solid cover over the earth.
@@David-lq4tq You are not serious are you? The Voyager program is just a hoax?
@@David-lq4tq I seriously doubt there is a firmament. Please show or demonstrate it.
No offense guys, but all of the discussion about the technical difficulties and everything is meaningless and as a professional should have been edited out.
@@11gdean thanks for sharing your thoughts, but I rarely edit my videos because I haven’t the time. That is why most of the videos on my channel are Live;) UA-cam is not my full-time job. -Peace!
@@RevealedApologeticsWhy can't you provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god Eli? Or a valid and sound sylogism using presupp to show your god exists?
@@nickjones5435God is immutable. You know He exists. God says in fact we are without excuse to know. Do you claim to not know He exists?
@christianchannel8755 How on earth do you know god is immutable when you can't even show it EXISTS? (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
You claim I know your god exists. That's rude, obnoxious, proposterous and arrogant! I certainly don't know that or I wouldn't be an atheist.
1. Please support your asinine claim that I know a god exists with credible evidence?
2. Please present credible evidence that your god exists or is Christianity merely a method of socially controlling the simple minded Christians for money and indoctrinating innocent children?
@@christianchannel8755 Yeah I certainly do claim that and it's testable, demonstrable, independently verifiable and falsifiable!
Now you claim I do know your god exists despite me, the only person with access to my thoughts, telling you the complete opposite.
So please present credible evidence that I know your god exists despite me telling you I don't?
Or was it a total lie?
The nerve of James White to criticise Eastern Orthodoxy when he holds the heresies of limited atonement and Nestorianism just to name a few. Hypocrisy
Limited atonement is not heresy. This is biblical. God is sovereign and chose who he will save and passed over others from before the foundation of the world.
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So salvation is not a choice then? What happened to free will.
Free will to choose Christ is in bondage
So God, all throughout the New Testament, commands me to walk in faith, yet all the while causes me to sin to satisfy the eternal decree? The bible doesn't bear out an eternal, exhaustive, decree.