I applied. As a student in psychology and an extremely unbelievable background. I am a BLM advocate and use psychology in everything. I have taken many class in psychology, addictions, and neuroscience. >People who believe drug addiction is a choice versus people who say that nature and nurture effect addiction >People who believe in psychology versus people who believe it is quackery >People who trust the system versus people who do not
@Hashtag GetRekt why is your view of right and wrong permanent? In my experience there is so much I do not know that my beliefs are constantly changing
He has probably more optimism on us than you have in yourself. If he'd be the first to die he would because society is shit not because he is. He'd not be alive to think about that but the rest living people would and reflect.
I got so upset when they brought up that that mother who killed her husband for what he did to their daughter should have just had trust in the legal system, do you understand how many people who had trust in the legal system for assault and how many got the bare minimum or nothing?
@@rielhsliso8363 I think she should get the death penalty for taking matters into her own hands if the legal system is actually doing their job and is to be trusted in serving justice. So considering how many predators get away with only the bare minimum if anything, her actions Don't deserve the death penalty. Though I do think she should serve time in jail.
XxBeatsxX Either everyone or none. If he’d control the justice system we’d be fucked it’d be abused so much but if everyone was as kind, genuine and peaceful as him the world would be underdeveloped but peaceful and happy.
I looked at that a little different. Those 2 guys he hugged were the ones that said their mothers shouldnt be exempt of the death penalty. The Afro Dude came at them afterwards saying he was shocked and that was the problem with society. Then at the end, he hugged them both and said "How is your mother?". I personally think the guy was being passive aggressive and was essentially backhanding them in the guise of a hug.
Yes that’s why they are executed. To put an end to their heinous crimes. I believe our justice system needs work and the death penalty can’t be thrown around. Innocent people of course should not be executed and there needs to be a way to fix that. But I believe the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed horrible acts of terror and who have the complete disregard for human life. Ted Bundy escaped from prison twice and each time he escaped, he raped and murdered more women. That’s why the death penalty exists and that’s why he was executed. People who can’t play by the rules regarding human life must not be allowed to live amongst us
@@kieranmooney3453 and there are many people who have been wrongly executed. I’ll never be ok with killing innocents. Especially when the justice system is so incompetent. There will never be a world where there are no wrongful convictions. But I do understand where you are coming from.
@@fairyonice9504 I’m with you! We need to stop the execution of innocent people. Definitely needs reform. They need to be 100% sure someone did the crime before they toss the death penalty around.
1.) Private school vs. public school (teachers, parents, or a mix on both sides) 2.) Homeschool vs. public school (“alumni” or teachers) 3.) Religion vs. LGBT+ (a mix of religions)
I feel like religious people and lgbt people aren’t always on “opposing ends” of the spectrum, so I’m not sure how they could make a video in this format about that
Even though I disagree with Sean's views, I adore his empathy so much. That's a great quality to be able to belive the best for everyone and isn't so common anymore.
The death penalty would only work if people who were on death row were 100% guilty. But our world isn’t perfect, and people do get falsely incriminated all the time.
@@Niiju Oh really? What kind of proof? If you're talking about eye witnesses, it's been proven that people can be mislead and coerced into give false witness testimony. DNA evidence? Cross contamination is a thing. Video? Deep fakes. The truth is you can never really be sure who killed a person unless they confess to it or if they are caught in the act. Nothing in the world is 100 percent reliable and innocent people have been executed before.
Statistically, increasing the severity of the punishment up to the death penalty has VERY little effect on crime rates. People don't commit crimes with the expectation of getting caught. Pickpocketing used to have a sentence of hanging. And other pickpockets would go to the crowds of people watching someone get hanged for picking pockets, and pick their pockets. Lots of people were gathered in a small area, lots of bumping into each other and everyone was distracted. Easy opportunity to pick pockets. Didn't matter what the punishment was. If you want to reduce crime, you need to convince people that getting caught is LIKELY, not that is carries great sentences.
@@slayer2608 Saudia Arabia has crime. It's on the low side, but you can't assume that's because of harsh sentencing. Norway's Crime rate is significantly lower than Saudi Arabia's and capital punishment was abolished decades ago. Chechnya's crime rate may be lower than elsewhere in Russia but it's crime rate is growing faster than almost anywhere else in Russia. So, again, a better example is needed.
I would be for the death penalty if there was a definite way to prove people on death row as guilty. A study came out that showed 4% of them were innocent, that’s overwhelming to me.
That study includes people that were convicted decades ago. Show me the study of people that were convicted recently. You know. Now that we have DNA evidence. That’s the only reason we even know about that 4%. Which means it’s nowhere near 4% today. Now, it takes a lot to be put to death. And we already have like 20 years worth of appeals before they die.
Only one problem with the study... how tf do you calculate that? Detectives are detectives for a reason. I doubt a random scientist could do detective work better. There are some cases where it's clear that the wrong person was executed but that's a small number. The other 95%+ is unknown
@@anonymousperson3023 What a smart idea. Im sure the researchers didnt know about that. im guessing you think the person who did the research pulled the numbers out of their ass, huh?
@Chirag Patel I dont know about that, you can really mean that everyone deserves a second chance. That means something drastically different philosophically from some people deserve a second chance and nobody deserves a second chance.
Later on a statement said "Anyone can forgive anyone given enough time" so the same guy came up and when he was asked if he could forgive someone who murdered his mother he said "no".
The only reason im anti death penalty is because it sort of feels like they get off the hook in a way. You could either make a horrible person suffer for the rest of their life to pay for their crimes or just end their life quickly
In my opinion, the only thing worse than death is torture. Most people deserving of the death penalty are already past the point of remorse, so making them think about their crimes won't do anything. Bottom line for me is, at least they get to live. Their victims don't.
Even tho I don’t totally agree with the hippie guy, I would LOVE to be his friend. He’s so optimistic and full of life, his faith in humanity gives me faith in humanity.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! Even if I don’t agree I really just adore his outlook, it’s so kind. You don’t see many people like that in the world.
Zian Saakaar He doesn’t even know these people it’s all about pandering it’s not genuine it all comes from a place of ego and self proclaiming that as a facade. I’m sorry but that’s not how genuine kindness works
holayomellamoyoly genuine kindness works in a lot of ways..... I dunno it jus seems like a nice thing to ask about a person’s mom after having a really heavy discussion about a mother getting the death penalty.
Wtf with that 4 year old comment? You’re trying to equate the actions of a 4 year old breaking an object to a grown adult murdering/torturing/raping etc.
It’s a example for people to express their foundation of morality. Is it better to punish or to bring understanding? Should you do both? I will say that it’s a bad example in a wildly different context, but it opens up a discussion in morality and it’s intrinsic lack of actual tangibility outside of our human perception. What she did, however, was kinda like bringing up a simple addition problem in a discussion about theoretical mathematics. Idk 🤷♀️
The whole 4 year old breaking a vase scenario is a horrible logical fallacy and a grossly disproportionate comparison to people who’ve murdered and raped people. It just seems out of place and not worth arguing over in this particular debate.
Forget his opinions for a second on these topics, but the guy with the Afro is incredibly friendly. Just like a breath of fresh air to see because these days there’s so many that have this negative energy about them, he’s the opposite to that.
His mentalety is a great thing to have and if everyone would be like that, the world would be all sunshine and rainbows. But unfortunately that's not the case, people do horrible things and honestly i think he is just too soft. My opinion is an eye for an eye and not everyone deserves a second change.
@@rens3286 An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. If someone does something it's just going to cause a chain reaction of someone else going to go get back at that person. I don't disagree with the death penalty personally, but we really should put more consideration into the circumstances of what happened and why it happened. Some people are just cold blooded killers, some people however commit a murder once (I say murder because it's still a murder no matter the circumstances), and would never do it again. Say for instance the woman that set the man on fire for what happened to her daughter. I don't think she should get the death penalty. Life in prison? Maybe. Life in prison with a CHANCE to eventually go free on a supervised parole? Absolutely. I also think however she should have gone to the cops and that the guy deserved to go through the due process of the law. I feel like he should have got the death penalty, but that's up to the courts. Two wrongs don't make a right but my whole point in stating this is there are most of the time circumstances where bad stuff happens to family or children and during a fit of rage someone acts out. I think the death penalty should be a last ditch effort or saved for the most heinous crimes. I'm a bigger fan of life in prison for most of the people. But someone that say murders an entire family in my opinion does deserve the death penalty.
Official Barack Hussein Obama II his argument is not derived from a delusional stand point of everyone being a good person, but more so the rehabilitation for criminals and opportunities. There’s a very thin line between punishment and rehabilitation in this country. The Probations and parole systems are terrible considering the fact that most of them don’t care about you. Most parole officers see between 100-150 people a week! Imagine that and on top of that, paper work for each person in a 40 hour week schedule...It’s a very interesting way in how The system operates. Statistically speaking most people that go to jail are very likely to just end up right back in because of the lack of resource and crappy rehab system. I love that guy’s optimism, and don’t confuse optimism with delusion, a lot of people have that huge misconception :)
With the "would you forgive your mother's killer" comment, I was honestly surprised with all of their answers. Call me harsh or whatever, but I personally could NEVER forgive someone who took away the most important person in my life away from me.
@@The2ndUsername Oh gosh cause an individual is different from a region, and Nationality. For example: The ones that got punished were the Nazi's involve in huge crimes and not the German people itself and not the nation of Germany. Also God himself demands justice that is why Hell exist
Always confuses me when people do that, like on the BLM/law enforcement video. "I believe all lives matter" *doesn't walk to the center yet comes in later* Guy: yea I believe all lives matter but.......
As a victim of abuse and neglect, let me tell you, people have all sorts of compassion for your abuser but not for you. You have to hurry up and forgive or YOURE a bad person
Well here’s one thing: sometimes when ur in a extremely traumatic experience “Forgiveness” forces upon in the form of losing ur mental state so ur body can take it, like the China chained lady who was chained to a shed forced to have 8 babies of her kidnapper
Props to the people on this series that never raise their voice. I don't even care if I agree with your stance, I'll respect you a lot more for being decent.
As someone who doesn't like flaming conflict, he did a great job of playing devil's advocate without raising hackles, while he still passionately defended his belief. I want to be able to be so empathetic without caving to other people!
Despite being pro-death penalty, I find the guy with the afro hair inspiring. He was the only one in the opposing team which made me question some things despite initially agreeing with people who are in the same team as my belief
I find the idea of someone like you who supports state-sanctioned execution of unarmed prisoners getting "inspired" by anything to be a sickening prospect.
What the lady in the black said finally hit me. I was thinking she was advocating for no death penalty because the woman killed her husband and it was deserved, but then I realized she was trying to make a point that if she doesn't have the right to kill a horrible sick human being that shouldn't be a part of society, then neither do we. We as a people commit murder with the death penalty. Some may think it's justice, but it is still murder.
I do agree that she should be able to take it into her own hands if we as a society can all make a decision to have a death penalty and murdering killers and rapist is way better than caring for them and letting them live weather it’s out side jail or in prison for their lives it’s not with it. I wouldn’t wanna feed someone who murdered someone I care about
@@ezradavid9089 I am in a half way point to what he says. I think that not giving killers a second chance is a bit too broad. Because what if it was in self defense from someone who tried to murder you? That's a different case from cold blooded murder that was pre-planned. And its these self defense cases that I think need to be the line between the pro death penalty and anti death penalty argument, which should be heavily discussed.
It is so interesting to talk about the concept of forgiveness. I have talked to someone who has experienced horrific traumatic things during WWII (Jewish). They have told me, that in order to live a happy, complete life, they at some point had to "get rid of the anger and forgive". It was not about the people commiting the crime, but about selflove and "moving on", retaking the power over your own life and not be a "slave" to someone elses choices. I have no idea how I would deal with such trauma, but it was so very inspiring.
I've dealing with the same thing. I had so much hate towards a person , but after a point I want to move on. The problem was that I was feeling, that by forgiven him, it was like a favor towards him. Until I uderstand that forgiveness is something you do for yourself in order to move on and not be stuck in the past and all the bad felling that came with the past. When I try to explain this to other people they don't get it at all, so I am happy there are out there people that uderstand this concept of forgiveness. (sorry for bad English)
Forgiving is very difficult and is not always something you're able to do but actively hating someone (or being afraid of someone that's still out there) is exhausting. So, if forgiveness means to stop actively making hating-them a part of your day, then yes.
I'll be honest. You do not have to forgive a person who has wronged you. You can forget what they did, become indifferent towards them but you definitely do not have to forgive them.
@@mortuc1 No she was asking if that kid deserved a punishment, not the death penalty But she was basically asking whether they would spank the kid or talk to the kid (not literally)
@@Coldfront15 You do realize that in context the example means whether to give someone the death penalty or not right? I agree but in this situation you can't have both
she's the anti-vaxx "Karen" mom who let's her hooligan children do what they want and never punishes them cus its everyone elses fault for not accepting her child's behavior
@@AceOfWaffles He explained it though. Like I said if you watched this channels Spectrum segment specifically "do all muslims think the same" you'd understand.
Honestly, that situation is amazing, because it exposes hypocritical thinking on either side. Just suppose that a guy killed a victim, and then the girl killed the guy. Should the girl be killed? PRO DEATH PENALTY: The woman should be killed, but this suggests that the guy shouldn't have been killed which is inconsistent with these ideals. ANTI-DEATH PENALTY: The woman shouldn't be killed, but then this suggests that the guy should have been killed which is inconsistent with these ideals. My thoughts on this are shaky and not as concrete as they should be (as this is a new concept for me), but I just needed to write this down to help me think about it a bit more.
@Willy Wonka well, it’s only hypocritical thinking if you assume that the reasoning for wanting the death penalty or not is based solely on the moral stance one takes on the woman’s actions. So, for example, the pro-death penalty one. You say it exposes hypocrisy on the pro-death penalty side if they want the woman to be executed because it suggests that what the woman did (killing her husband) was wrong, which is hypocritical since they believe in the government killing people who commit crimes. But, someone who is pro death penalty might tell you that they don’t necessarily believe that the outcome of the husband dying is wrong, and on a personal level they might even agree that it was global justice. But they would say that it’s wrong and bad for society that the _wife_ is the one that killed him and broke the law in doing so. They’re argument would be on a legal basis, centering around deterrence, and not on whether they personally support what she did on an emotional level.
@@kk8490 Thank you for your response as it helps me when thinking about this topic. However, basing a decision solely on legality is basing the decision on what someone else has decided because what is legal has been decided by someone else. Therefore, the person who made the laws the way they are was basing it off of what they think morally and therefore is hypocritical.
@Willy Wonka true, it is basically kicking the ball down the road, but I suppose most things are like that. The government punished people who kidnap people by kidnapping them and throwing them in a jail cell, stealing is wrong but the state can and does forcibly take money from you come tax season. A lot of government action can come across as hypocritical, but they can do things citizens can’t because as a society we vest power to our governments and allow them to have a monopoly on these actions. I think that’s called the social contract but I’m not 100% sure. A pro death penalty person would just argue to extend it to include state sanctioned execution. But I agree it’s a weak argument, and I find most pro death penalty arguments unpersuasive. I’m really glad I live in a country that doesn’t have it lol.
No, the girl is California if California was a person. She was so irritating and crazed from the beginning. The guy is more of a Washington if the state was a person.
“Would I want a second chance” you can want one and not deserve it. There’s a large difference between stealing candy and killing someone. What will you do if you killed someone and got a second chance? Kiss the grave?
@Enrique 5573 there is no absolute perfect Proof... In many cases people thought so, but it proved to be wrong. Only then the people were already dead...
@Enrique 5573 that's why death punishment should be forbidden... And even If he/she acctually killed the victim... What makes killing the accused one any better?
In a response to the women's argument of the women killing her husband: if we let one person take justice into their own hands, that opens the door for everyone. Where do we draw the line? Justice looks different to everyone. We need to have set rules, or there is chaos.
I agree with the part that people should not be encouraged to take justice into their own hands. However, we must also acknowledge that the act of that woman is kind of justified. Not to say that she doesn't deserve any punishment but the death penalty is a bit far fetched, at least in this scenario.
Exactly , imagine her mother in law was devastated and went and killed her then the father of the wife came and killed her husband's mother .. it would be a loop hole that would only end if everyone is killed
I’m not totally opposed to the death penalty. But I oppose it because I don’t think our society and current structures are able to administer it with 100% accuracy and fairness.
True but for me. Id rather have a serial killer sentenced to death rather than that serial killer inside of a cell with someone who didnt do the crime. I agree tho not everyone should get it
see no death penalty is the reason y more and more ppl r raped. If death penalty is very strict rape will be less but some innocent man might die. But still weighing the pros amd cons. One innocent man dying to 99 kids raped or murdered. So im pro death penalty
@@rammohmad966 but a lot of people are wrongly convicted sometimes after 40 years later they are found innocent. If there is a death penalty there is no hope for them
Kaneki Ken you know he’d try to reason with him. He’s a martyr. That’s not bad! The likelihood of him surviving a zombie apocalypse is slim to none tho. Eye somebodies got to be that person!
Alot of people wouldn't know a veteran came up with the idea to kneel for the flag out of respect to it and the fallen brothers and sisters and I think this show could broadcast that BEAUTIFULLY to SO many people who still don't know, so thanks for sharing that idea Nyla! I hope they consider it!
leonard u Colin Kaepernick did not kneel for the flag to show disrespect, as he has stated he meant no harm and has family and friends in the military. He was trying to peacefully protest for those of color that have not been blessed with the same amount of freedom that most of us have. He said, and I quote, “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
Hes the type of guy when a person fucks him over and takes advantage of him he will just sit there with a surprised pikachu face thinking how did this happen?
He would be the first person to be a victim of a heinous crime. Having too much faith in humanity is not a good thing. People too often forget we are still animals.
I like the afro-hippie guy, and he seems like a good person. However, a lot of what he said is based on emotion, which doesn't mean it's right. Crazy eyes was a bit too much tho, needs to calm down.
how do u decide that some people don't deserve a second chance? A second chance may just mean someone getting treated for their disabilities, maybe while serving life in prison. We shouldn't just throw away human life
A four year old that breaks a vase needs to be disciplined, but it is in no way comparable to someone in their right mind who is knowingly murdering another human.
Alexa Cannon But like she was saying, she was comparing that four year old to that person and pointing out a similarity. That similarity was that they both cannot understand and don’t have all of the information. I’m not saying that I agree with her, but I do understand what she is trying to say.
I am against the death penalty for one main reason: the law is upheld by people. People make mistakes. People are biased. People lie. There are hundreds, if not thousands of PROVEN cases of someone being imprisoned, even sentenced to death, to a crime they didn’t commit. The whole point of the death penalty is to take a life for committing an absolutely heinous crime. Usually involving taking a life. The idea that one person could be (and has been) executed in the past for a crime they didn’t commit is a bigger crime than any I can imagine. The justice system permanently condemning an innocent person... that’s the worst kind of horror story.
There was a quote in the "Making a Murderer" series that really stuck with me. It was "you can always guarantee that you won't commit a crime, but you can never guarantee that you won't be accused of one." Gives me chills!
Introverted No I’m not stupid, thanks for asking. They’re many many many people in jail who innocent. Also people have died for crimes they did not commit.
I loved this middle ground discussion. There was no power dynamics, everyone got the chance to speak about their views and even though, they might've not agreed with the other side, they respected their opinions. I watched this one after the rich vs poor and men's rights activists one, and what an absolute joy it was to watch these people argue in a civilised manner unlike the above mentioned videos
The woman who was anti death penalty brought up an example where a woman killed a man for raping a child. She thought that the woman should not be punished. I don't understand. So vigilante death penalty is fine but state sanctioned death penalty is not?
I think she meant that she shouldn't be killed for it. The woman would live her life behind bars. It's pretty hypocritical to condemn a woman to death for killing someone for committing a heinous crime, don't you think? If she is sentenced to death, then we are no better than she is.
i heard Jordan Peterson say one time if someone murders your child and raped and you're response is not to hate that person and want that person death there's something wrong with you. i agree with that.
She didn't say that the lady didn't deserve to be punished. She said that she didn't deserve the death penalty. Letting someone rot in prison is way worse of a punishment than dying.
@@managersejinstan1523 But she did seem to be in favour of the woman's actions. I think most people would be, too. There's something interesting thing where we (or many of us) see emotional 'in the moment' vigilante type justice as justified, but a carefully thought-out death penalty as immoral or barbaric.
*clears throat*, the girl is literally arguing that the death penalty is never okay but said that the hypothetical woman’s husband was deserving of the death penalty and said it was a “social justice”? Whaaaaat, Like get your story straight
@@ivetterodriguez1994 she literally said "That woman did some global justice, if I ever heard of it." The same woman who killed her husband for raping their 7 year old daughter. The woman, who was Anti-Death Penalty, said that what she did was "justice".
No, she said just the opposite, that buy killing (setting on fire) her husband she was doing social justice, as the man had raped her 7 year old daughter therefore she thought it was a right move.
I'm not, because that argument is essentially meaningless; the idea that citizens "give the state power" is nothing but a self-comforting illusion; the basic fact is that whatever organized body wields the military might to hold the final veto on policy making and to ultimately enforce its dictates is, by definition, 'The State'; if you don't have such a body, you have anarchy (not a state) and if you do have one, then that body has as much power (at least with respect to the treatment of its citizens) as its operatives choose to apply, regardless of how the populace feels about it; even if you could organize a popular revolt to overthrow the current state (which likely wouldn't even be possible as long as the military still follows orders), the armed revolutionary guard would simply become a successor state, and would be similarly unanswerable until a superior military came to supplant them.
@@ruthvanbeek422 it’s a completely out of context not relevant comparison. She’s using an innocent theme to compare to a heinous theme to make the crimes seem less evil or bad.
I personally would rather have some suffer and remain in jail for the rest of their life for their heinous crimes than die. I feel like that’s a worst punishment than the latter.
The thing I can never understand is this: we agree that taking someone’s life is wrong, and should be punished. But the punishment is literally to take that person’s life? That seems so hypocritical and counterproductive. It’s only okay to take a life if they took someone else’s first? I believe all life has inherent value, and yes, it’s terrible that people murder each other. They should be punished. But the way to punish murder is not to continue murdering people.
@@a.j.c3365 In that case the punishment must be something like a life sentence. Thoses people would have to suffer all their life in prison, and to me that is an even worst punishment than a death penalty.
So if someone is arrested for kidnaping then you do not think they should be put in jail? Putting them in jail is essentially legal sanctioned abduction
There's a difference. We agree to the fact that the ability of taking someone's life/the ability to decide punishment should rest ONLY with the upholders of the law ie the courts (with certain exceptions obviously).
The problem with death penalty is that you cant go back if the person is later found innocent from new evidence. The case can never be re-opened with a fair outcome
that's why i am pro-death penalty only when the evidence is super clear. if there's a footage of the person murdering someone, or so. if not then i'd hold onto it.
Any time spent behind bars for someone that is innocent is an injustice. Even if they are found innocent, much of their life has been taken from them. Someone needs to pay for that mistake.
+felicia wright In most cases, the person on death row has several years before they are killed...and they are given multiple chances to appeal their case and over-turn the sentence.
The logic of the death penalty is astounding to me. We have discussed it many times in my European history class and I used to have the same viewpoint of the pro death penalty side. But then I began to look at the hypocrisy of killing someone who killed someone. Who are we to decide who lives or dies? If we are trying to deter death and crime then we should not commit another crime. That is only a cycle and it’s never been effective and it will never be.
Nothing is ever resolved or even approaches the core of the issue. I thought this would be a challenging format for the volunteers but no new ground is explored. It gets 8 out of 10 meh's on the meh scale.
@@eliaskjrbo8142 but you have to admit, even though he be the first to die, their deaths always for Martyrs for Cynists to be optimistic themselves, kind of a genius way such an ideal last long when the person behind it never lives to see it come through.
@Ruruka Ando So you're saying kindness makes the world an unjust place...or are you saying the world is already run by people like me...? I definitely don't see that or understand what your point is but I'm interested if you want to break it down...?👋🏾🤓 And what's your favorite combo of kindness and rule effectiveness in place to make sure the world doesn't run amuck...? (Sincere question) Btw, the topic was the death penalty right...? 🤔 Over 180 people have been exonerated aince the 70s, so I still think it's worth disucssing a better approach to true justice and if we believe in rehabilitaion or redemption like all our religions and philosophies believe or if it doesn't apply here: would love to hear your thoughts! ✌🏾
this would be very interesting, but probably highly biased on what they read online and not actually contemplate about it personally.. But again, of course not everybody
the hippy kid is so sweet and his ideas would work, if everyone else thought that way. they don't though.. like when he started tearing up at the people saying they would still support the death penalty if their mom committed murder. I was like WOW. he has such a pure heart. you can tell
@• Love you • a lot of countries don't have death penalty, or stricter rules about it, yet have less crime than the U.S. I get why people argue for death penalty, but it's not needed if countries like Norway has less crime with their highest punishment at21 years maximum.
Unfortunately purity and innocence doesn't last through the real world, and if it has, he's been very lucky in his interactions with people that could have probably easily killed him, and probably would have.
the girl lost me when she was talking bout the man who committed a crime and was murdered by his wife. Would she be okay with that man receiving the death penalty if he had not been murdered? Kinda didnt make sense
She was into female empowerment regardless of the issue. If it was reversed with the guy killing an evil girl of the same proportion she wouldn't take the same side
Because she took justice into her own hands. The lady was bringing up how is it different that one person takes control compared to a group being the court system. I don’t think I explained that well 😂 but she did raise a good point
I think what I’m learning the most from middle ground is that Soooo many people are on the same side as one another but half of those people can’t think beyond the first step so it makes them believe that is as far as it goes…
The main problem with death penalty is, that no human is free from predjudices, points of views or personal experiences. Judges are supposed to leave that outside the courtroom but they are still humans. So are the people who create the laws and regulations the justice system has to work with. And considering how different they are in each state, in each country on this world it is highly unlikely that you won't put innocent people on the death row and let guilty people "escape" in some way because the pure definition of "guilty" varies. Not to mention that laws can change every day, so that two persons could commit the same crime under the same condition and yet get judged different - with one sending to be killed and one sending home or at least in prison. There is no way for a human to say who would truly "deserve" to die and who doesn't, especially because the circumstances matter (that's why soldiers aren't charged for mass murdering). There are hundreds of examples of nations with laws who said people shall be killed for their religious beliefs, their way of living, who they love or what they work. For me, this is far from fair or just but for the people who made these laws this is perfectly fine and better for society. We are not some god or godlike being who defines these rules on a very high and understandable level. We're just humans. I live in a country where the whole state system changed completely within the last hundred years - twice. And many times before that. Eighty years ago I would have been hanged if I'd had smiled at a jew or even chatted nicely with one. Fourty years ago I would have been spied on and maybe "disappeared" as soon as a relative or distant friend would have tried to cross the German border. Thankfully I am not living eighty or fourty years ago and I don't have to worry about dying because I said something that someone else might consider "wrong". And it seems so far away now, especially for you guys in the US who didn't have a big war at their own doorstep for a long, long time. But look at all the changes that happened since 2016 in your country and how this changed the life of your children, your friends, your parents, your collegues or neighbours. You don't need a revolution or a war for politicians and judges changing their opinion about who is not worth enough to live. It just needs a few people with power, a sheet of paper and a signature for a new definition of "guilt". And then you better make sure this does not affect you.
Bruv he’s naive as hell. He would forgive a guy for raping his daughter and killing her with premeditated intent and said sorry he would forgive them bruv
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u gey omega lul
Do one where teens find common ground I would to be in one
I think one on climate change would be really interesting :)
>Progressive vs Conservative
>Racists (bigots) vs Free love (blended familys)
>Muslims vs christians
>Fitness fanatics vs body positive fanatics
I applied. As a student in psychology and an extremely unbelievable background. I am a BLM advocate and use psychology in everything. I have taken many class in psychology, addictions, and neuroscience.
>People who believe drug addiction is a choice versus people who say that nature and nurture effect addiction
>People who believe in psychology versus people who believe it is quackery
>People who trust the system versus people who do not
That afro guy really has anime main character level faith in humanity
He gives me a naruto vibe
Afro Jesus.
Tru 😂
@Hashtag GetRekt why is your view of right and wrong permanent? In my experience there is so much I do not know that my beliefs are constantly changing
@Hashtag GetRekt thanks
Dude with the afro has way more faith in humanity than I have ever seen literally ever
Sam Not a good thing for people to follow a man like him
I agreed with him on every single point.
@@03raq Lol nah he was optimistic to a fault
An idealist through and through, also more commonly known as "the first to die" when shit gets real.
He has probably more optimism on us than you have in yourself. If he'd be the first to die he would because society is shit not because he is. He'd not be alive to think about that but the rest living people would and reflect.
The guy in the Afro is like bob ross but without paintings
omg i was thinking the samething and was hoping the whole time he would say "hi, thanks for joining me today"
I AM CRYING! omg lol
Yeah that dude getting robbed everyday.
Kendall Johnson and he’s black (no I’m not saying he can’t be like bob ross since he is black I just thought it was funny ) :)
He is the painting
I got so upset when they brought up that that mother who killed her husband for what he did to their daughter should have just had trust in the legal system, do you understand how many people who had trust in the legal system for assault and how many got the bare minimum or nothing?
so, fuck the legal system, right?
There is not a jury in the world who would try her. She got away with it.
She dhould still get death penslty. Thats what you get for taking matters into your own hands
@@rielhsliso8363 I think she should get the death penalty for taking matters into her own hands if the legal system is actually doing their job and is to be trusted in serving justice. So considering how many predators get away with only the bare minimum if anything, her actions Don't deserve the death penalty.
Though I do think she should serve time in jail.
@@youfool444 jn no ⁸
Afro man would jump in the middle of the war yellin’: “yall stop shooting its bad lol”
Poor guy 😔. Damn I’d lowkey rather stand with him than be on either side bough
*though
Gugu we need more people like him tbh😂imagine how nice the world would be
XxBeatsxX Either everyone or none. If he’d control the justice system we’d be fucked it’d be abused so much but if everyone was as kind, genuine and peaceful as him the world would be underdeveloped but peaceful and happy.
You can tell who are feminine, emotional and weak and who are for justice.
i almost cried when bob ross hugged the business dude
lemongirl
:)
Black bob ross
He's the most wholesome human being I think i've ever seen
bonan bray
I looked at that a little different.
Those 2 guys he hugged were the ones that said their mothers shouldnt be exempt of the death penalty. The Afro Dude came at them afterwards saying he was shocked and that was the problem with society. Then at the end, he hugged them both and said "How is your mother?". I personally think the guy was being passive aggressive and was essentially backhanding them in the guise of a hug.
The only argument needed to be against the death penalty: you can free the wrongly accused, but you can’t bring the executed back from the dead.
Yes that’s why they are executed. To put an end to their heinous crimes. I believe our justice system needs work and the death penalty can’t be thrown around. Innocent people of course should not be executed and there needs to be a way to fix that. But I believe the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed horrible acts of terror and who have the complete disregard for human life. Ted Bundy escaped from prison twice and each time he escaped, he raped and murdered more women. That’s why the death penalty exists and that’s why he was executed. People who can’t play by the rules regarding human life must not be allowed to live amongst us
@@kieranmooney3453 and there are many people who have been wrongly executed. I’ll never be ok with killing innocents. Especially when the justice system is so incompetent. There will never be a world where there are no wrongful convictions. But I do understand where you are coming from.
@@fairyonice9504 I’m with you! We need to stop the execution of innocent people. Definitely needs reform. They need to be 100% sure someone did the crime before they toss the death penalty around.
@@kieranmooney3453 Which is impossible, and any entry level Crim Law class will teach you that.
I agree but we can’t just have monster locked in a box forever living off our tax. Why should i pay for a child abuser to live , we need more options
why is the girl literally saying: “😳😐” combined
char i just got it 😂😂😂
Sidditty S I don’t get it
Ayy Lien her face
I think she needed to piss during all of that
omg lol accurate
If I ever go to court ima pray the guy with the Afro is my judge
Lol
SAME
Just don't do something that deserves the death penalty.
MC Elroy your going get your ass kicked
@@nuggetbutter1314 you're*
1.) Private school vs. public school (teachers, parents, or a mix on both sides)
2.) Homeschool vs. public school
(“alumni” or teachers)
3.) Religion vs. LGBT+ (a mix of religions)
Religion vs. LGBT+ is already out but only with Christians. Not sure if this is why you added the ( ) part :P
i second the homeschool vs public school.
stevestizzy they have Muslims and LGTBQ too
I feel like religious people and lgbt people aren’t always on “opposing ends” of the spectrum, so I’m not sure how they could make a video in this format about that
I would love to see homeschool parents and public school teachers talk.
Even though I disagree with Sean's views, I adore his empathy so much. That's a great quality to be able to belive the best for everyone and isn't so common anymore.
That’s how you get cucked
That's because people aren't so naïve.
@@Douchebagus but it shouldn’t make us naive we should do better as humans where as believing in other humans isn’t naive that’s just sad
Dark empath: having empathy that focuses on the well-being of evil people
@@plethoradulcet Where did you find that term? Thats very interesting.
I kinda want the afro guy to be my friend, but deep down I know nobody could ever truly deserve a friend like that.
His full name is Sean Hill and he's a poet.
But then that’s a bad thing, Afro guy deserves friends
💀😂
I don't trust him. And to be honest I think he is in denial.
I would get annoyed by him. He’s too positive
That dude with the afro is literally the "you can run over me and I'll say thanks" meme
Samantha Grace omfg lmaooooooo. I’m dead 😂😭
Idk why but he looks like a carl
He is the next Bob Ross
No he would say “sorry”
@@esnyj.7410 i thought the same thing damn a nalck bob ross
The death penalty would only work if people who were on death row were 100% guilty. But our world isn’t perfect, and people do get falsely incriminated all the time.
I would say the death penalty should only be for people who confessed to their crime.
StrangaDanga But why would anyone confess if theyre gonna get killed after, I wouldn’t confess
I dont like the thought of death penalty, even if they are guilty.
@@Niiju Oh really? What kind of proof? If you're talking about eye witnesses, it's been proven that people can be mislead and coerced into give false witness testimony. DNA evidence? Cross contamination is a thing. Video? Deep fakes. The truth is you can never really be sure who killed a person unless they confess to it or if they are caught in the act. Nothing in the world is 100 percent reliable and innocent people have been executed before.
That's exactly right!!!
Statistically, increasing the severity of the punishment up to the death penalty has VERY little effect on crime rates. People don't commit crimes with the expectation of getting caught. Pickpocketing used to have a sentence of hanging. And other pickpockets would go to the crowds of people watching someone get hanged for picking pockets, and pick their pockets. Lots of people were gathered in a small area, lots of bumping into each other and everyone was distracted. Easy opportunity to pick pockets. Didn't matter what the punishment was. If you want to reduce crime, you need to convince people that getting caught is LIKELY, not that is carries great sentences.
Then explain Vlad III Tepes’s rule of Wallachia people commit crimes because they don’t fear the consequences
@@gentlemancharmander4411 Explain your poor grammar.
Then explain Saudi Arabia has 0 crime or any first world middle east em nation or Chechnya in Russia
@@gentlemancharmander4411 people commit crimes because they’re criminals, no matter the consequences
@@slayer2608 Saudia Arabia has crime. It's on the low side, but you can't assume that's because of harsh sentencing.
Norway's Crime rate is significantly lower than Saudi Arabia's and capital punishment was abolished decades ago.
Chechnya's crime rate may be lower than elsewhere in Russia but it's crime rate is growing faster than almost anywhere else in Russia. So, again, a better example is needed.
The suit guy looks like he’s the boss baby
💀💀💀
Sean Cataldo boss baby is blonde tho
😂😂
Na he looks like the CEO in boss baby in the Netflix series
Kinda like the ceo of the series
I would be for the death penalty if there was a definite way to prove people on death row as guilty. A study came out that showed 4% of them were innocent, that’s overwhelming to me.
That study includes people that were convicted decades ago. Show me the study of people that were convicted recently. You know. Now that we have DNA evidence. That’s the only reason we even know about that 4%. Which means it’s nowhere near 4% today. Now, it takes a lot to be put to death. And we already have like 20 years worth of appeals before they die.
Yep in retrospect that’s way too high.
Only one problem with the study... how tf do you calculate that? Detectives are detectives for a reason. I doubt a random scientist could do detective work better. There are some cases where it's clear that the wrong person was executed but that's a small number. The other 95%+ is unknown
@@anonymousperson3023 What a smart idea. Im sure the researchers didnt know about that. im guessing you think the person who did the research pulled the numbers out of their ass, huh?
I looked it up and only 18 people have died. And that’s mostly due to them outliving the waiting line for death row
"Everyone deserves a second chance."
Dude who agrees:
"Personally, I don't think everyone deserves a second chance."
lmao
the same with the question of whether everyone could forgive anything with time
Their victims certainly didn't get a second chance
Lmao he just wanted an argument.
my man straight was like "I agree but I disagree but I agree"
Question: everyone deserves a second chance.
Guy: *walks into circle* well I don’t believe everyone deserves a second chance
@Chirag Patel I dont know about that, you can really mean that everyone deserves a second chance. That means something drastically different philosophically from some people deserve a second chance and nobody deserves a second chance.
Later on a statement said "Anyone can forgive anyone given enough time" so the same guy came up and when he was asked if he could forgive someone who murdered his mother he said "no".
Fr he needs to go back
what do you think about kira and his judgement
L, You should just lock Light up. If you want Moral High Ground against Light/Kira.
The only reason im anti death penalty is because it sort of feels like they get off the hook in a way. You could either make a horrible person suffer for the rest of their life to pay for their crimes or just end their life quickly
Remember George stinney
You should cut off their hands and legs..
im against it because 4% of people on death row are innocent and its also expensive
In my opinion, the only thing worse than death is torture. Most people deserving of the death penalty are already past the point of remorse, so making them think about their crimes won't do anything. Bottom line for me is, at least they get to live. Their victims don't.
@@savagecabbage138 a) check your statistics and context b) it's not nearly as expensive as keeping them in jail for their entire life
Even tho I don’t totally agree with the hippie guy, I would LOVE to be his friend. He’s so optimistic and full of life, his faith in humanity gives me faith in humanity.
Anonymous Moose I know he is just the personification of joy
Me too!
Hes actually a friend of mine Sean, and he is one of the sweetest people.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! Even if I don’t agree I really just adore his outlook, it’s so kind. You don’t see many people like that in the world.
@@Lovely_Lofi_ASMR oh god. Please tell him that he is so genuine and that I would LOVE to have a discussion with him. He is so optimistic!
I loved it when the Afro dude was like “how is your mom?” Just such a bright soul man
Zian Saakaar He doesn’t even know these people it’s all about pandering it’s not genuine it all comes from a place of ego and self proclaiming that as a facade. I’m sorry but that’s not how genuine kindness works
holayomellamoyoly genuine kindness works in a lot of ways..... I dunno it jus seems like a nice thing to ask about a person’s mom after having a really heavy discussion about a mother getting the death penalty.
Dekka Bacara agreed, but I’m in no place to call it a facade so I’ll take his word for it that he’s genuinely kind
idk it seems like a joke to me
holayomellamoyoly dude there is no such thing as one kindness, there are many types of kindness
Wtf with that 4 year old comment? You’re trying to equate the actions of a 4 year old breaking an object to a grown adult murdering/torturing/raping etc.
Immediately looked for this comment - completely agree. Baseless argument for an adult topic
It’s a example for people to express their foundation of morality. Is it better to punish or to bring understanding? Should you do both?
I will say that it’s a bad example in a wildly different context, but it opens up a discussion in morality and it’s intrinsic lack of actual tangibility outside of our human perception. What she did, however, was kinda like bringing up a simple addition problem in a discussion about theoretical mathematics. Idk 🤷♀️
That wasn’t the logic. It was more an argument for how the punishment is dealt with. Not too hard to understand.
@@AFestiveDude exactly, they way she put it was a sort of tactic to get you to acknowledge the theoretical 1% to justify the 99%
@@rainmaker3000 Yeah she should really stick to talking about topics in her own mental age range lmao
I wonder if Afro guy still has the positive outlook on life four years later.
Look at what happened to sneako… did a whole 360 and became extremely toxic
@@rogerthat1758 either you mean 180 or he was always toxic
It's tough for sure, definitely ups and downs...BUT I STILL GOT THE POSITIVITY! 🎉❤🎉✌🏿🌍✌🏿
I'm anti-death penalty, but that one woman was seriously high on something.
Meth
Maybe. Some people just get worked up about this that they really care about
1ch1go 33 she is so annoying her smile 🤢🤢
Ben Walker haha 😂
She might have a mental problem so don’t be quick to judge
The whole 4 year old breaking a vase scenario is a horrible logical fallacy and a grossly disproportionate comparison to people who’ve murdered and raped people. It just seems out of place and not worth arguing over in this particular debate.
Of course it's disproportionate but, the principle is still the same. Punish vs rehabilitate.
@@hannahforse316 except certain situations call for rehabilitations, and certain ones call for punishment.
@@Rotti17 hmm, I disagree. Criminals are quite obviously mentally ill. Making an effort to rehabilitate them benefits us and them.
@@hannahforse316 how?
@@petenisman5470 it benefits us as they are less likely to reoffend and it benefits them as rehabilitation will help to relieve some of their trauma.
brown-haired girl came to fight..
There's only 1 girl
...and loose badly.
Couldn't help it. She's too emotional
Kyla18 She’s Wrong every time she speaks lmao
David 4949 that’s in your opinion you subjective minded little person
Forget his opinions for a second on these topics, but the guy with the Afro is incredibly friendly. Just like a breath of fresh air to see because these days there’s so many that have this negative energy about them, he’s the opposite to that.
Me: he killed my entire family with a sodering iron.
Afro dude: come on man, don't hold a grudge
😂😂 a sodering iron. Damn dog you evil
BentheCookie blame nobody? Jesus Christ.
BentheCookie it’s sad that you think that just because someone has different opinions as you they were raised incorrectly.
I’m shocked! This actually used to _be_ me!
ChunK TruffleShufflE lol
Dude in the Afro don’t lose ur smile don’t let this world make u lose it stay positive hopefully u see this
His mentalety is a great thing to have and if everyone would be like that, the world would be all sunshine and rainbows. But unfortunately that's not the case, people do horrible things and honestly i think he is just too soft. My opinion is an eye for an eye and not everyone deserves a second change.
@@rens3286 An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. If someone does something it's just going to cause a chain reaction of someone else going to go get back at that person. I don't disagree with the death penalty personally, but we really should put more consideration into the circumstances of what happened and why it happened. Some people are just cold blooded killers, some people however commit a murder once (I say murder because it's still a murder no matter the circumstances), and would never do it again. Say for instance the woman that set the man on fire for what happened to her daughter. I don't think she should get the death penalty. Life in prison? Maybe. Life in prison with a CHANCE to eventually go free on a supervised parole? Absolutely. I also think however she should have gone to the cops and that the guy deserved to go through the due process of the law. I feel like he should have got the death penalty, but that's up to the courts. Two wrongs don't make a right but my whole point in stating this is there are most of the time circumstances where bad stuff happens to family or children and during a fit of rage someone acts out. I think the death penalty should be a last ditch effort or saved for the most heinous crimes. I'm a bigger fan of life in prison for most of the people. But someone that say murders an entire family in my opinion does deserve the death penalty.
Oh yea Yea Someone told me that once too,unfortunately it’s easier said than done.
Official Barack Hussein Obama II his argument is not derived from a delusional stand point of everyone being a good person, but more so the rehabilitation for criminals and opportunities. There’s a very thin line between punishment and rehabilitation in this country. The Probations and parole systems are terrible considering the fact that most of them don’t care about you. Most parole officers see between 100-150 people a week! Imagine that and on top of that, paper work for each person in a 40 hour week schedule...It’s a very interesting way in how
The system operates. Statistically speaking most people that go to jail are very likely to just end up right back in because of the lack of resource and crappy rehab system. I love that guy’s optimism, and don’t confuse optimism with delusion, a lot of people have that huge misconception :)
This is why people get away with the things they do lol because people exist just like the guy with the afro
With the "would you forgive your mother's killer" comment, I was honestly surprised with all of their answers. Call me harsh or whatever, but I personally could NEVER forgive someone who took away the most important person in my life away from me.
@@The2ndUsername Not every cases are forgivable you know? What they meant about not forgiving is that they demand justice
@@The2ndUsername Oh gosh cause an individual is different from a region, and Nationality.
For example:
The ones that got punished were the Nazi's involve in huge crimes and not the German people itself and not the nation of Germany.
Also God himself demands justice that is why Hell exist
@@adamsun6168 So you want them to be free or what?
@@The2ndUsername Even though God forgives our sins, we still must face the consequences of our actions.
@@adamsun6168 Yes but Justice could also mean "Face the consequences of your actions".
The issue is not the death penalty, it's the legal system that fails to work.
the guy in the suit, and the guy with the afro are so well spoken, it's unbelievable
The guy in the suit is running for state rep in cali.
KingAlAyaan Republican
@@kingalayaan807 43rd
KingAlAyaan are you gonna vote for him?
@@kingalayaan807 rip
4:46 “Everyone deserves a second chance”
**guy walks to the center**
Guy: “personally I don’t believe everyone deserves a second chance”
Bruh...
They gave him an example but as an overview he said he did
Exactly
Always confuses me when people do that, like on the BLM/law enforcement video.
"I believe all lives matter"
*doesn't walk to the center yet comes in later*
Guy: yea I believe all lives matter but.......
That afro dude literally jumped
I think he just wanted screen time lol
Instead of saying we need more people like the Afro guy, let’s say we should BE more like him.
He’s way too over-optimistic.
@@sterloin but we got too much pessimistic people in this world. Just be more kind to everyone
Ravi Adonis Over optimism is worse than pessimism.
SterloinAce it seems like you need to be like him
Emmanuel Martin yes, we should realize ALL criminals if they weally apologize.
As a victim of abuse and neglect, let me tell you, people have all sorts of compassion for your abuser but not for you. You have to hurry up and forgive or YOURE a bad person
Afro guy is a textbook example of someone like that
For the worst of violent crimes...screw forgiveness. Criminals show no mercy on their victims, so why should society show them any mercy?
True
Well here’s one thing: sometimes when ur in a extremely traumatic experience “Forgiveness” forces upon in the form of losing ur mental state so ur body can take it, like the China chained lady who was chained to a shed forced to have 8 babies of her kidnapper
Props to the people on this series that never raise their voice. I don't even care if I agree with your stance, I'll respect you a lot more for being decent.
x is not happy you need to raise your argument, not your voice
So not the girl 😂😂🤐
where’d u get ur profile pic?
@@somebody-ue2zc it's by elentori on instagram (& other socials)
x is not happy cool thanks!
The dude with the Afro has the biggest heart ever
Yeah but sadly people who are soo good and can see goodness in everyone can be easily broken and manipulated.
There's a difference between niceness and goodness. He's very nice and quite good.
He is naive but definitely sweet
As someone who doesn't like flaming conflict, he did a great job of playing devil's advocate without raising hackles, while he still passionately defended his belief. I want to be able to be so empathetic without caving to other people!
I love him! I wish I was that open minded.
dude with afro literally every round: 🏃
Matthew Except the Mother’s deathrow thing.
Rasheev the compooter haxxer is missing his morning runs so he has to do that instead
Yes and I stood by it🙌
HAHAHA
Despite being pro-death penalty, I find the guy with the afro hair inspiring. He was the only one in the opposing team which made me question some things despite initially agreeing with people who are in the same team as my belief
I find the idea of someone like you who supports state-sanctioned execution of unarmed prisoners getting "inspired" by anything to be a sickening prospect.
The girl was supporting the other side without meaning too. Her arguments were all over the place
You don't necessarily need to fit into a box have a strong belief.
@@Daisy-ge1ig ya but it was kind of the purpose of the video
@@serenitykrug5351 The point is to find middle ground not to necessarily agree and not switch sides.
@@Daisy-ge1ig I know that. But they are supposed to have two *opposing* views. And she was on one side supporting the other accidentally.
@@serenitykrug5351 True but not everything is seen black and white there are grey areas too.
What the lady in the black said finally hit me. I was thinking she was advocating for no death penalty because the woman killed her husband and it was deserved, but then I realized she was trying to make a point that if she doesn't have the right to kill a horrible sick human being that shouldn't be a part of society, then neither do we. We as a people commit murder with the death penalty. Some may think it's justice, but it is still murder.
Cameron that's the gray issue. What the women did was vigilante(ism?).
When and where aren't we able to put the law into our own lives.
she wasn't that smart
I do agree that she should be able to take it into her own hands if we as a society can all make a decision to have a death penalty and murdering killers and rapist is way better than caring for them and letting them live weather it’s out side jail or in prison for their lives it’s not with it. I wouldn’t wanna feed someone who murdered someone I care about
She basically made an argument against laws then
@@vividrainbowsparks1104 she made an argument against a specific law.
Prompt: “I believe everyone deserves a second chance”
**Suit guy steps up**
Also Suit Guy: “I don’t believe everyone deserves a second chance”
You cut him off
😂 but you know what he meant
He literally explained it instantly...
If you could only listen to his explanation 🤦🏼♂️
@@ezradavid9089 I am in a half way point to what he says. I think that not giving killers a second chance is a bit too broad. Because what if it was in self defense from someone who tried to murder you?
That's a different case from cold blooded murder that was pre-planned. And its these self defense cases that I think need to be the line between the pro death penalty and anti death penalty argument, which should be heavily discussed.
It is so interesting to talk about the concept of forgiveness. I have talked to someone who has experienced horrific traumatic things during WWII (Jewish). They have told me, that in order to live a happy, complete life, they at some point had to "get rid of the anger and forgive". It was not about the people commiting the crime, but about selflove and "moving on", retaking the power over your own life and not be a "slave" to someone elses choices. I have no idea how I would deal with such trauma, but it was so very inspiring.
I've dealing with the same thing. I had so much hate towards a person , but after a point I want to move on. The problem was that I was feeling, that by forgiven him, it was like a favor towards him. Until I uderstand that forgiveness is something you do for yourself in order to move on and not be stuck in the past and all the bad felling that came with the past. When I try to explain this to other people they don't get it at all, so I am happy there are out there people that uderstand this concept of forgiveness. (sorry for bad English)
That is a fallacy I have not always forgiven people for harm they might have done to me and yet I live a perfectly happy life.
Forgiving is very difficult and is not always something you're able to do but actively hating someone (or being afraid of someone that's still out there) is exhausting.
So, if forgiveness means to stop actively making hating-them a part of your day, then yes.
I'll be honest. You do not have to forgive a person who has wronged you. You can forget what they did, become indifferent towards them but you definitely do not have to forgive them.
She was probably the 4 year old that smashed that vase on the ground
I didnt get that example tho... Did the other guys rly propose the death penalty for that kid for smashing a vase?
@@mortuc1 No she was asking if that kid deserved a punishment, not the death penalty
But she was basically asking whether they would spank the kid or talk to the kid (not literally)
Paradox It should be both. They should understand there are consequences for actions and they need to be explained why.
@@Coldfront15 You do realize that in context the example means whether to give someone the death penalty or not right? I agree but in this situation you can't have both
she's the anti-vaxx "Karen" mom who let's her hooligan children do what they want and never punishes them cus its everyone elses fault for not accepting her child's behavior
Step forward if you believe everyone should have a second chance.
Guy in suit: (Steps forward) I don’t believe everyone should have a second chance.
Tyler Nielsen 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gardenia Edith I was like 🤷🏼♂️
He meant it in a different light just like people on spectrum.
@@Daisy-ge1ig But he didn't agree with the statement, and stepped in anyway. "Anyone" does not mean "some people".
@@AceOfWaffles He explained it though. Like I said if you watched this channels Spectrum segment specifically "do all muslims think the same" you'd understand.
girl: that woman was doing some global justice for burning her husband
also girl: I'm anti-death penalty
Honestly, that situation is amazing, because it exposes hypocritical thinking on either side. Just suppose that a guy killed a victim, and then the girl killed the guy. Should the girl be killed?
PRO DEATH PENALTY: The woman should be killed, but this suggests that the guy shouldn't have been killed which is inconsistent with these ideals.
ANTI-DEATH PENALTY: The woman shouldn't be killed, but then this suggests that the guy should have been killed which is inconsistent with these ideals.
My thoughts on this are shaky and not as concrete as they should be (as this is a new concept for me), but I just needed to write this down to help me think about it a bit more.
@Willy Wonka well, it’s only hypocritical thinking if you assume that the reasoning for wanting the death penalty or not is based solely on the moral stance one takes on the woman’s actions.
So, for example, the pro-death penalty one. You say it exposes hypocrisy on the pro-death penalty side if they want the woman to be executed because it suggests that what the woman did (killing her husband) was wrong, which is hypocritical since they believe in the government killing people who commit crimes. But, someone who is pro death penalty might tell you that they don’t necessarily believe that the outcome of the husband dying is wrong, and on a personal level they might even agree that it was global justice. But they would say that it’s wrong and bad for society that the _wife_ is the one that killed him and broke the law in doing so. They’re argument would be on a legal basis, centering around deterrence, and not on whether they personally support what she did on an emotional level.
@@kk8490 Thank you for your response as it helps me when thinking about this topic. However, basing a decision solely on legality is basing the decision on what someone else has decided because what is legal has been decided by someone else. Therefore, the person who made the laws the way they are was basing it off of what they think morally and therefore is hypocritical.
@Willy Wonka true, it is basically kicking the ball down the road, but I suppose most things are like that. The government punished people who kidnap people by kidnapping them and throwing them in a jail cell, stealing is wrong but the state can and does forcibly take money from you come tax season. A lot of government action can come across as hypocritical, but they can do things citizens can’t because as a society we vest power to our governments and allow them to have a monopoly on these actions. I think that’s called the social contract but I’m not 100% sure. A pro death penalty person would just argue to extend it to include state sanctioned execution.
But I agree it’s a weak argument, and I find most pro death penalty arguments unpersuasive. I’m really glad I live in a country that doesn’t have it lol.
But that is a difference when it is outside the Justice system
To me, spending the rest of my life (around 70 years) locked up sounds like a fate way worse than death
That woman is literally arguing for mob-justice.
Afro-guy is California if California was a person.
No, the girl is California if California was a person. She was so irritating and crazed from the beginning. The guy is more of a Washington if the state was a person.
Yeah definitely gives me Seattle hippie vibes
@@person10 ok I'll take that, however California would still be that woman
The fucc y'all got against the best state in America? 😂😂😂 Goofies
Ernst Gottschalk “Colorado”
Jubilee: come in your casual clothes
That one guy: I’m gonna come in a suit
Let him wear what he wants
Astral Assault he’s a politician.
Astral Assault he always wears one
A man of class. Gotta respect that tbh.
@Dominus Providebit I imagine him sleeping in this suit.
I'm only at the beginning but that girl is like really passive aggressive
Shes just agressive lmao
She looks cray cray
kawaii potato she is so unreasonable
Passionate
Haha her saying how the woman who killed her husband was justified.. made me want to get the death penalty done do myself.
“Would I want a second chance” you can want one and not deserve it. There’s a large difference between stealing candy and killing someone. What will you do if you killed someone and got a second chance? Kiss the grave?
That’s like the whole justice system
The death penalty is the biggest uno reverse card I've seen.
Facts!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭
With the possibility to have killed someone innocent...
@Enrique 5573 there is no absolute perfect Proof... In many cases people thought so, but it proved to be wrong. Only then the people were already dead...
@Enrique 5573 that's why death punishment should be forbidden... And even If he/she acctually killed the victim... What makes killing the accused one any better?
@Enrique 5573 noted
In a response to the women's argument of the women killing her husband: if we let one person take justice into their own hands, that opens the door for everyone. Where do we draw the line? Justice looks different to everyone. We need to have set rules, or there is chaos.
Yeah, the problem is the example she brought up is basically a woman doing her own death penalty
I would have done the same thing, I think I'm a very moral overall "good" human being. I think you would have to have that happen to you
I agree with the part that people should not be encouraged to take justice into their own hands. However, we must also acknowledge that the act of that woman is kind of justified. Not to say that she doesn't deserve any punishment but the death penalty is a bit far fetched, at least in this scenario.
Exactly , imagine her mother in law was devastated and went and killed her then the father of the wife came and killed her husband's mother .. it would be a loop hole that would only end if everyone is killed
Batman, Batman is where we draw the line.
I’m not totally opposed to the death penalty. But I oppose it because I don’t think our society and current structures are able to administer it with 100% accuracy and fairness.
True but for me. Id rather have a serial killer sentenced to death rather than that serial killer inside of a cell with someone who didnt do the crime. I agree tho not everyone should get it
But crimes that lead to death penalty has way more chances to filter out the innocent people
@Skyle Andria as much as i don't like leftists, i think that they are important.
the world run on a perfect balance
see no death penalty is the reason y more and more ppl r raped. If death penalty is very strict rape will be less but some innocent man might die. But still weighing the pros amd cons. One innocent man dying to 99 kids raped or murdered.
So im pro death penalty
@@rammohmad966 but a lot of people are wrongly convicted sometimes after 40 years later they are found innocent. If there is a death penalty there is no hope for them
I am anti death penalty but both sides had great points.
I am also anti death penalty but yes, I agree that some of the people in this video made great points
Afro man... love you bro but you would NOT survive a zombie apocalypse😂
My man would try to hit it off with the zombies 😂
Angry facts😂 he gonna be like: just because it’s eating people, doesn’t mean they can’t be rehabilitated. 😂
Kaneki Ken you know he’d try to reason with him. He’s a martyr. That’s not bad! The likelihood of him surviving a zombie apocalypse is slim to none tho. Eye somebodies got to be that person!
αlιуαн you know why??
Bc they don’t deserve the death penalty 😂😂😂
So what? A zombie apocalypse will never be real
Do a episode about people who believe it’s okay to kneel during the flag vs. people who don’t believe it’s okay to kneel during the flag.
YES! ✌🏿🌏✌🏿
That would be stupid.
"It's disrespectful to veterans"
"Free speech"
That would basically be the entire argument
Alot of people wouldn't know a veteran came up with the idea to kneel for the flag out of respect to it and the fallen brothers and sisters and I think this show could broadcast that BEAUTIFULLY to SO many people who still don't know, so thanks for sharing that idea Nyla! I hope they consider it!
Sean Hill what has kneeling for the flag solved?
leonard u Colin Kaepernick did not kneel for the flag to show disrespect, as he has stated he meant no harm and has family and friends in the military. He was trying to peacefully protest for those of color that have not been blessed with the same amount of freedom that most of us have. He said, and I quote, “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
Ok the dude with the Afro is such an amazing human being and has so much love in his heart, but I just don’t agree with some of his views.
Hes the type of guy when a person fucks him over and takes advantage of him he will just sit there with a surprised pikachu face thinking how did this happen?
Noah Smith well y’all asses ain’t doing a good job. The world is still a shitty place
TRG I’m sorry but I really don’t think that
@Noah Smith You're pathetic!!!
@@timayjust no,he is not,he is just a good person and that has nothing to do with being a weak person!!!
this conversation must be encouraged, its really amazing to see how people think and how they justify things in there heads
I vibe with afro guy on a spiritual level. For real, this mans hope in people resonates with me.
C-3PO same just listening to him talk i could tell he was spiritually awakened
Beautiful thoughts that are misplaced in a harsh, harsh world. Sorry, but true.
He would be the first person to be a victim of a heinous crime. Having too much faith in humanity is not a good thing. People too often forget we are still animals.
C-3PO I’m loving your account pic.
it resonates with everyone i think is the thing
"EVERYONE deserves a second chance" 4:47 "Personally i don't believe that everyone deserves a second chance" THEN WHY DID YOU GO TO THE TABLE!
He said it depends but still its either you do or you dont in this case
IKR
1. There isn’t a table 2. He said it depends on the situation
Antogs THANK YOU
@@PossumPoobah Yet he does not believe everybody deserves a second chance, so he should have not walked there.
I didn’t agree with everything the “hippie” said but GOSH I love him
Word I wanna smoke a blunt with him 🤣🤣
@@ayed06 hippie
@@TheDominicKellmanPodcast i don't smoke but same
This channel has really helped me to understand myself and my beliefs better. Thank you guys for the awesome videos!
I like the afro-hippie guy, and he seems like a good person. However, a lot of what he said is based on emotion, which doesn't mean it's right. Crazy eyes was a bit too much tho, needs to calm down.
Suad Mohamed Isn’t the pro death penalty based on emotion,since the death penalty is based on vengeance and hate.
@@jeeba1822 Well, you can say that for all punishment as well
Me too
Rose Barnes it’s based on justice.
White guy and other white guy had some points
Just because you “want” a second chance doesn’t necessarily mean you deserve it. You can’t choose your own punishment
Sure but I certainly don’t think anyone should take your life w/o your consent outside of self defense or defending another person
@@PinocchioDread Victims didn't give serial killers consent to take their lives either, so what goes around comes around.
@Muhammad bagas lutfi Muhammad bagas lutfi no. They can be rehabilitated. Seems like that person just has anger and impulse control problems
@@noonebossesthegarnet2890 by that same logic, someone who rapes someone should just be raped then set free.
how do u decide that some people don't deserve a second chance? A second chance may just mean someone getting treated for their disabilities, maybe while serving life in prison. We shouldn't just throw away human life
A four year old that breaks a vase needs to be disciplined, but it is in no way comparable to someone in their right mind who is knowingly murdering another human.
Alexa Cannon thank you that made me so mad like yes there and may not that it’s wrong but like punishing them is how they learn
thank you,
lol I didn't understand her reasoning
I agree
Alexa Cannon But like she was saying, she was comparing that four year old to that person and pointing out a similarity. That similarity was that they both cannot understand and don’t have all of the information. I’m not saying that I agree with her, but I do understand what she is trying to say.
This one is easilyyy my fav Jubilee debate. Clever, factual and intriguing. Very civilized too.
Afro dude has a good heart but seems naive. He's the type of guy that could easily get taken advantage of if you just seem nice enough.
I know right! He seems like such a good person ,but he can taken advantage of easily.
yeah i agree although he’s a good person.. he could probably get taken advantage of
yeah I agree although hes a good person..he could probably get taken advantage of
Roselia Thorn better to have a big heart and be a big naive than to have no empathy and feel like some deserve to die.
Yeah i agree although he's a good person.. he could probably get taken advantage of
I am against the death penalty for one main reason: the law is upheld by people. People make mistakes. People are biased. People lie. There are hundreds, if not thousands of PROVEN cases of someone being imprisoned, even sentenced to death, to a crime they didn’t commit. The whole point of the death penalty is to take a life for committing an absolutely heinous crime. Usually involving taking a life. The idea that one person could be (and has been) executed in the past for a crime they didn’t commit is a bigger crime than any I can imagine. The justice system permanently condemning an innocent person... that’s the worst kind of horror story.
- Luke - it actually makes me wanna cry thinking about it. One of my fears is me or a loved one being imprisoned for something we did not do.
Pro God Pro life Pro Gun Are you stupid? Your “Loved ones” won’t be jailed for a crime that they didn’t commit or have any relation to.
- Luke - 👏👏
There was a quote in the "Making a Murderer" series that really stuck with me. It was "you can always guarantee that you won't commit a crime, but you can never guarantee that you won't be accused of one." Gives me chills!
Introverted No I’m not stupid, thanks for asking. They’re many many many people in jail who innocent. Also people have died for crimes they did not commit.
So she agrees with the woman killing her husband for his crime, but doesn't think people should be killed for their crimes?
@@wickbobby7294 yeah she only chopped him into pieces no biggie.
I assume that incident, occurred in a fit of rage or fear if what she said would make any sense
She is hypocritical
@@aimalkhan5028 she is giving the wrong arguments for the right position
@@Nayshjin well i dont know about the right position but definitly thenwrong arguement
I loved this middle ground discussion. There was no power dynamics, everyone got the chance to speak about their views and even though, they might've not agreed with the other side, they respected their opinions. I watched this one after the rich vs poor and men's rights activists one, and what an absolute joy it was to watch these people argue in a civilised manner unlike the above mentioned videos
The woman who was anti death penalty brought up an example where a woman killed a man for raping a child. She thought that the woman should not be punished. I don't understand. So vigilante death penalty is fine but state sanctioned death penalty is not?
Oooooh....excellent thought. Didn’t even consider that but you’re 100% right.
I think she meant that she shouldn't be killed for it. The woman would live her life behind bars. It's pretty hypocritical to condemn a woman to death for killing someone for committing a heinous crime, don't you think? If she is sentenced to death, then we are no better than she is.
i heard Jordan Peterson say one time if someone murders your child and raped and you're response is not to hate that person and want that person death there's something wrong with you. i agree with that.
She didn't say that the lady didn't deserve to be punished. She said that she didn't deserve the death penalty. Letting someone rot in prison is way worse of a punishment than dying.
@@managersejinstan1523 But she did seem to be in favour of the woman's actions. I think most people would be, too. There's something interesting thing where we (or many of us) see emotional 'in the moment' vigilante type justice as justified, but a carefully thought-out death penalty as immoral or barbaric.
*clears throat*, the girl is literally arguing that the death penalty is never okay but said that the hypothetical woman’s husband was deserving of the death penalty and said it was a “social justice”? Whaaaaat, Like get your story straight
Her stance is purely emotional.
Very contradicting statements
No, she said the wife killed the husband, one of guys stated "death penalty" and she disagrred.
@@ivetterodriguez1994 she literally said
"That woman did some global justice, if I ever heard of it."
The same woman who killed her husband for raping their 7 year old daughter. The woman, who was Anti-Death Penalty, said that what she did was "justice".
No, she said just the opposite, that buy killing (setting on fire) her husband she was doing social justice, as the man had raped her 7 year old daughter therefore she thought it was a right move.
Afro guy is literally the nicest seeming human being I’ve ever seen, he’s that one guy everyone would wanna be friends with.
His optimism was to a fault
he uses emotions when he should use his brain . That's pretty childish point of view tbh
Naive guy
He has pure heart but the world isn't that nice
He has a Jesus character. He seems like he doesn't know God but just obviousing him, he can turn someone from bad to good. It's possible ngl.
I'm surprised not one of the anti-capital punishment people mentioned the issue of giving the state that much power
I'm not, because that argument is essentially meaningless; the idea that citizens "give the state power" is nothing but a self-comforting illusion; the basic fact is that whatever organized body wields the military might to hold the final veto on policy making and to ultimately enforce its dictates is, by definition, 'The State'; if you don't have such a body, you have anarchy (not a state) and if you do have one, then that body has as much power (at least with respect to the treatment of its citizens) as its operatives choose to apply, regardless of how the populace feels about it; even if you could organize a popular revolt to overthrow the current state (which likely wouldn't even be possible as long as the military still follows orders), the armed revolutionary guard would simply become a successor state, and would be similarly unanswerable until a superior military came to supplant them.
lady, a grown person murdering 10 people is different than a 4 year old breaking a vase.
It's a comparison
@@ruthvanbeek422 it’s a completely out of context not relevant comparison. She’s using an innocent theme to compare to a heinous theme to make the crimes seem less evil or bad.
Thank you!
The focus is not on the crime itself but the person who commits the crime and the basis of their decision to do so.
You don’t get what she was saying.
do a *CONSPIRACY THEORY BELIEVERS & NON CONSPIRACY THEORISTS*
(the title is a work in progress, but y'all know what i mean lmao)
Omg yessss!!!
Conspiracy theorists vs. Non-conspiracy theorists? Didn't seem that hard...
Get Alex Jones
Duuuuuuuude yes
cameron alexander round earthers vs flat earthers
If I was a 4 year old kid and broke a vase while starring into my mom's eye, I'm pretty sure my mom would kill me.😂
Virtual Survivor The real death penalty 😂😂😂
Belt will fix that vase real good.
@@joelhavingavietnamflashbac2822 🤣🤣
Then she would get the death penalty and you'd both be dead. All because you wouldn't leave that damn vase alone!!!
Lol😅
"We have to go above the justice system " is so valid and sooooo true
The afro guy was actually so adorable
It might be too hard but do a
HOMOPHOBICS vs HOMOSEXUALS
lacari0 they have one with christian’s and LGBT (focuses on homophobia related things)
@@jessisveryswag and they got along so you tryna call Christians homophobic, it's usually the south that are homophobic churches and racist churches.
You'r Mom that’s the theme though what other connections do they have
@@gorilla8811 the south isn't racist...
@@gorilla8811 You agreed with them, so you tell them to go f themselves? wtf
I personally would rather have some suffer and remain in jail for the rest of their life for their heinous crimes than die. I feel like that’s a worst punishment than the latter.
Yeah sometimes they view death as an escape so why not letting them live and suffer for the rest of their lives?
The main problem I have with that is that we don’t know if they will even suffer. They might even enjoy it in there.
@@robertheinz825 True, some people are sick like that where they feel no remorse or regret so they wouldn’t mind living in jail forever.
@@stickwithme907 Two words, solitary confinement. More effective than any form of physical torture
so waste money on people that dont deserve it
The thing I can never understand is this: we agree that taking someone’s life is wrong, and should be punished. But the punishment is literally to take that person’s life? That seems so hypocritical and counterproductive. It’s only okay to take a life if they took someone else’s first? I believe all life has inherent value, and yes, it’s terrible that people murder each other. They should be punished. But the way to punish murder is not to continue murdering people.
I mean if they killed people for no reason but enjoyment like Ted Bundy they lost their lives how is it far he gets the gift of staying alive
@@a.j.c3365 In that case the punishment must be something like a life sentence. Thoses people would have to suffer all their life in prison, and to me that is an even worst punishment than a death penalty.
So if someone is arrested for kidnaping then you do not think they should be put in jail? Putting them in jail is essentially legal sanctioned abduction
There's a difference. We agree to the fact that the ability of taking someone's life/the ability to decide punishment should rest ONLY with the upholders of the law ie the courts (with certain exceptions obviously).
People get life sentences already bro.
The problem with death penalty is that you cant go back if the person is later found innocent from new evidence. The case can never be re-opened with a fair outcome
that's why i am pro-death penalty only when the evidence is super clear. if there's a footage of the person murdering someone, or so. if not then i'd hold onto it.
this is also true, however, if a person is found innocent after they die in prison.
Any time spent behind bars for someone that is innocent is an injustice. Even if they are found innocent, much of their life has been taken from them. Someone needs to pay for that mistake.
Yes it can
+felicia wright In most cases, the person on death row has several years before they are killed...and they are given multiple chances to appeal their case and over-turn the sentence.
The suit guy looks like a grown up version of the kid from Up
Up 2
Boy Scout ready to move up
I feel like that would be a good title for up 2
Why'd he grow an afro?
This my freind is gonna give you a First class ticket to Heaven And you will get so much Celebrity Pussy
@@achairflavoredsnack9386 r/wooosh me?
He looks more like the guy that wrestles in despicable me 2
The logic of the death penalty is astounding to me. We have discussed it many times in my European history class and I used to have the same viewpoint of the pro death penalty side. But then I began to look at the hypocrisy of killing someone who killed someone. Who are we to decide who lives or dies? If we are trying to deter death and crime then we should not commit another crime. That is only a cycle and it’s never been effective and it will never be.
exactly what I was thinking
Everyone has pretty opinions, untill their loved ones are at stake.
YES
Ahahah criminal lawyer
locking people up in a room is also a crime.
This format is so amazing.
seb ASMR the best part is three pro dp go in three dp go out no one changes
Nothing is ever resolved or even approaches the core of the issue. I thought this would be a challenging format for the volunteers but no new ground is explored. It gets 8 out of 10 meh's on the meh scale.
lordmew5 bruh u need to chill
lordmew5 First off no it’s not and you shouldn’t be telling people to be burned alive asshole
Hi ily
Afro guy is just too nice for this world god bless him
Amen
The afro guy is also ignorant
@@eliaskjrbo8142 but you have to admit, even though he be the first to die, their deaths always for Martyrs for Cynists to be optimistic themselves, kind of a genius way such an ideal last long when the person behind it never lives to see it come through.
@@eliaskjrbo8142 Ignorant about what...? Curious to what you mean...? If you want to share, would love to hear! All the best~
@Ruruka Ando So you're saying kindness makes the world an unjust place...or are you saying the world is already run by people like me...? I definitely don't see that or understand what your point is but I'm interested if you want to break it down...?👋🏾🤓 And what's your favorite combo of kindness and rule effectiveness in place to make sure the world doesn't run amuck...? (Sincere question)
Btw, the topic was the death penalty right...? 🤔 Over 180 people have been exonerated aince the 70s, so I still think it's worth disucssing a better approach to true justice and if we believe in rehabilitaion or redemption like all our religions and philosophies believe or if it doesn't apply here: would love to hear your thoughts! ✌🏾
Comment section:
55% Afro guy
30% Crazy girl
10% Suit guy
5% Other
Don K ?
Eshal Eshal yes she is
@Don K troll elsewhere like a fox news video
There has never been a case of a serial killer learning empathy
Kinda wanna see teens point of view/opinions with these topics from the series
Exactly what I was going to say!
this would be very interesting, but probably highly biased on what they read online and not actually contemplate about it personally.. But again, of course not everybody
Fr
@moonlight Teens and babies aren't the same you know...Just because i am 16 that doesn't mean that i can not express my opinion on these subjects...
@moonlight But it would be interesting if they find (mature) teens (who they've done their research on this topic)...
the hippy kid is so sweet and his ideas would work, if everyone else thought that way. they don't though.. like when he started tearing up at the people saying they would still support the death penalty if their mom committed murder. I was like WOW. he has such a pure heart. you can tell
yep... IF everyone else thought like that his ideas might just work. If....
@• Love you • a lot of countries don't have death penalty, or stricter rules about it, yet have less crime than the U.S. I get why people argue for death penalty, but it's not needed if countries like Norway has less crime with their highest punishment at21 years maximum.
If everyone thought like that we wouldn't need his prison and punishment ideas
@@thehatmaniac6958 That's because they focus on rehabilitation and not making money off of private prisons.
Unfortunately purity and innocence doesn't last through the real world, and if it has, he's been very lucky in his interactions with people that could have probably easily killed him, and probably would have.
the girl lost me when she was talking bout the man who committed a crime and was murdered by his wife. Would she be okay with that man receiving the death penalty if he had not been murdered? Kinda didnt make sense
Yah. I think she would be ok with it because she said she did "global Justice"
She was into female empowerment regardless of the issue. If it was reversed with the guy killing an evil girl of the same proportion she wouldn't take the same side
There is no justice no right and no wrong
@@osiris2568 immoral
Because she took justice into her own hands. The lady was bringing up how is it different that one person takes control compared to a group being the court system.
I don’t think I explained that well 😂 but she did raise a good point
I think what I’m learning the most from middle ground is that Soooo many people are on the same side as one another but half of those people can’t think beyond the first step so it makes them believe that is as far as it goes…
The main problem with death penalty is, that no human is free from predjudices, points of views or personal experiences. Judges are supposed to leave that outside the courtroom but they are still humans. So are the people who create the laws and regulations the justice system has to work with. And considering how different they are in each state, in each country on this world it is highly unlikely that you won't put innocent people on the death row and let guilty people "escape" in some way because the pure definition of "guilty" varies. Not to mention that laws can change every day, so that two persons could commit the same crime under the same condition and yet get judged different - with one sending to be killed and one sending home or at least in prison.
There is no way for a human to say who would truly "deserve" to die and who doesn't, especially because the circumstances matter (that's why soldiers aren't charged for mass murdering). There are hundreds of examples of nations with laws who said people shall be killed for their religious beliefs, their way of living, who they love or what they work. For me, this is far from fair or just but for the people who made these laws this is perfectly fine and better for society. We are not some god or godlike being who defines these rules on a very high and understandable level. We're just humans.
I live in a country where the whole state system changed completely within the last hundred years - twice. And many times before that. Eighty years ago I would have been hanged if I'd had smiled at a jew or even chatted nicely with one. Fourty years ago I would have been spied on and maybe "disappeared" as soon as a relative or distant friend would have tried to cross the German border. Thankfully I am not living eighty or fourty years ago and I don't have to worry about dying because I said something that someone else might consider "wrong". And it seems so far away now, especially for you guys in the US who didn't have a big war at their own doorstep for a long, long time. But look at all the changes that happened since 2016 in your country and how this changed the life of your children, your friends, your parents, your collegues or neighbours. You don't need a revolution or a war for politicians and judges changing their opinion about who is not worth enough to live. It just needs a few people with power, a sheet of paper and a signature for a new definition of "guilt". And then you better make sure this does not affect you.
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Well said man and it’s nice seeing a comment with depth to there point of view at the top
Agree completely!
Well spoken
this was very very well said 👍👍👍👍
Afro-guy is cool and all, but I would not want him being the judge in any court proceeding lol
Preach! 🙏🏾 The guy doesn't seem to have experienced a lot in life, to know what he's on about lol
Hahaha no
IanMaCee exactly, he’s to radically left wing. Like, not to quote Trump but perfect example.
@@lewisdennis8066 nah hes cool
@@lewisdennis8066 I think he might just be a genuinely nice person
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Bruv he’s naive as hell. He would forgive a guy for raping his daughter and killing her with premeditated intent and said sorry he would forgive them bruv
@@daniel_3221 the fact that he said that he will forgive him doesn’t mean that he won’t make him accountable for his crime.
@@adelinaikaka838 but still... like, forgiving the rape and murder of your own daughter? What am i even supposed to think of a parent like that?
@Pompeii true, however, I see talent in him. I believe he can change a bad person to good person.
@@daniel_3221 You acting like he said he's going to forgive him immediately. He said with time.
This is such a great exercise. I also appreciated how everyone got to speak on their reasonings