Questions, Coffee & Cars #73 // Is your vehicle data being sold?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- This is a Motormouth couple car video answering your questions from Instagram, like: Thoughts on GM selling data? Best SUV for golf bags? Are you open to endorsing products? Thoughts on Volvo XC60 2018-2012? Volkswagen Cross Sport turbo-4 or VR6? Buying a gas car over hybrid or electric? Best small to mid-size PHEV? Will Mazda bring back a pickup?
Andrea Instagram / motormouth_andrea
Zack Instagram / motormouth_auto
0:00 Intro
0:29 Will Mazda bring back a pickup?
1:14 Thoughts on GM selling data?
8:24 Best SUV for golf bags?
10:15 Are you open to endorsing products?
12:02 Thoughts on Volvo XC60 2018-2012?
13:49 Turbo-4 or VR6 VW Atlas?
16:02 Buying a gas car over hybrid or electric?
17:52 Best small to mid-size PHEV? - Авто та транспорт
Thank you for not flooding the videos with unrelated ads! We all appreciate the research and info!
In all the car people I follow you're the only one who brought up the privacy risks of connected cars. Most people don't even think about it or volountarily ask for more gadgets to give away their data. Keep up the good work :)
- A new resident of Vancouver very happy to have such smart people as neighbour
Regarding golf clubs from an Outback owner - plenty of room for 4 sets in an Outback(even with carts) and also 4 bags fit easily in the Forester - Subaru rules when it comes to rear storage. Honda Pilot is also huge!!
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Regarding Volvos, we have owned 4 Volvos in the last 20 years, an S80, an XC90 and we currently drive a 2015 Volvo XC60 R Design and a 2020 Volvo XC90 R Design. All have been exceptional vehicles and very reliable. We have been in accidents with our Volvos and what piece of mind to have driving the safest vehicles on the road. The only caveat to is you must do the regularly scheduled maintenance at the dealer and be fastidious about it. It’s expensive and some people may not like it but when these vehicles are maintained properly they are bulletproof. Highly recommended Volvos.
Agreed on all but mandatory dealer service. I have 25 years Volvo experience (with two - V70 and S60 - currently owned) and aside from doing my own regular maintenance a private shop has done the rest.
Maintenance is key, no matter what brand you drive.
2018 Civic hatchback owner. Golf clubs fit in the trunk no problem. Also, can fit my full size road bike without taking any wheels off when the rear seats are folded down. That was the main reason why I bought the car.
I got the same car and my son is a 11 years old hockey goalie and all fit in the trunk, but I'm not sure if everything will still fit in 2 years.
Rivian R1T gear tunnel is great for golf bags.
Absolutely the best reviews and QC & C is the also the best thing on UA-cam for interested car buyers. C’mon viewers ... 11 views so far and only 1k likes...these two deserve way more than that.
Thank you for representing Canada with honest reviews -:)
The key to carrying golf bags without having to fold down the rear seats is a long cargo area/trunk. Therefore, the best types of vehicles are sedans and wagons, which have longer cargo areas compared to crossovers.
Great questions and answers. I am not surprised about the data things. In another word be careful how you drive. Plus insurance knows technology are expensive to replace or repair. I too never miss your videos. 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I guess it never occurred that some people might do hard braking to ensure their ABS is working. And, what's the best way to ensure your turbos are working properly ... yup hard acceleration. If different if both behaviours are done consistently though.
Many insurance companies in the US offer a tracker you install in your car. The positive side is that if you drive within certain parameters, you can see a discount on your insurance of up to 30%. If you are an aggressive driver, this would not be a wise option in my opinion. It adjusts the cost of each vehicle separately. It can also tell who is driving the vehicle by the app installed on the individuals phone. This is a good tool if you have kids and they raise your rates due to their driving habits. If you so choose you can consider charge them the increase in insurance costs. We currently are trying this out through State Farm, and we have saved hundreds of dollars each six months over the past year. I will be honest the three drivers who use this are pretty mellow drivers. There is some leeway built in as well. I don't know exactly, but I believe you have about 8 mph over before you get a percentage loss. Also, If you are having an aggressive day or have an emergency stop to avoid an accident your percentages will drop but they will start going up again if you drive non aggressively for awhile. This is definitely not for everyone but a viable option for the mellow drivers looking for an additional discount. You also need to weigh the the fact that Big Brother is watching over you as well. I just wanted to post the other side of the coin based on our experience. I am sure others have had positive and negative experiences.
And, they now are able to sell your data that you volunteered to them. It really is none of their business, and, they are offering you a discount based on the profit they will make selling your data.
@@ScubaSteveCanada I agree but not sure how they will make money selling my driving information? When you sign up they clearly state they will not sell your information. If they have I have not seen any difference in anyone trying to contact me in anyway. I quess time will tell.
@@joes3689 They won't sell your information but they will just have a data breach at some point and let it happen so they can "sell" ;) your data under the table
And red apples will never turn red! And Ths bidens are not Chinese advocates!
"you can see a discount on your insurance of up to 30%"
Two of the very best on you tube Thanks a bunch!
I wish I had more confidence with Volvo. If I did, in my ‘Dream Garage’ (realistic one)… I think that I’d wouldn’t mind having the epically gorgeous V90 Estate (fully loaded, including that amazing $3,200 Bowers and Wilkins sound system). It’d be parked next a Ranger Rover and a F430. Now that’d be a dream garage… OR an absolutely idiotically stupid (especially financially) NIGHTMARE! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the informative video! I enjoy watching fellow Canadians presenting this info! I have always opted out for auto insurance apps that monitor driving habits, and now Ford's Ontario government passed legislation a while back to allow insurance companies to use the data against you (increase in rates). There has to be a reason why some auto manufacturers are offering a three year "free" subscription... kickback.
When I first heard this a month ago, I went into the Lexus app for our 2024 NX350h, and found it in settings. I was able to contact Toyota/Lexus through the app, and tell them that I do not want my data sold.
They sent me a response email saying that I have opted out, and my data will not be sold.
BTW, yesterday I walked into a Mazda dealership and ordered a Mazda CX 70 with the 3.3 Turbo S. Ordered Rhodium White with red leather. I’m looking forward to it. I hope I enjoy it more than my wife’s Lexus NX350h.
Kudos to you and wife to be able to drive new cars. Usually there is a 5-10 yr old model that a household keeps around. So both of you sold your old cars or only one owned a car or both graduated from University?
What a stupid lazy comment, again just thank you to people who buy new cars- as there’s no such thing as a used Car factory- is there??
I bought the hybrid rav4 on your advice and its great
Good info about Data the companies gather from our vehicles, kinda of scary how much information everyone gets for our cards and phone and now our vehicles. Sad. Great show as usually keep up your content. Thanks Andrea and Zack
Love your videos!
About the small pickups (the Rangers and S-10s from the 80s-90s), there is a demand for them! -- note the huge demand for the Maverick. Car makers in the US discontinued these little trucks due to CAFE standards based on wheelbase and fleet fuel economy requirements. In the US, we cannot sell imported little trucks due to the "chicken tax". Ironically, an unintended side effect of CAFE is that we're now stuck with much larger trucks that get poor fuel economy, unless car makers do something similar to the Maverick and offer hybrid and EV versions so they hit the fleet fuel economy requirements.
Here in Australia we have a Mazda BT50 which is a 'ute' or as it's called in North America 'truck'. It's a big seller here along with the Ford Ranger.
When we bought our Hybrid Grand Highlander 2 months ago we were walked through the Toyota app and this was an option to turn on for collecting driving data. Being a data guy I was like 'no thanks' and this is the reason!
Great show as always. Thank you 😊!
Golf bags! . . . My wife and I have 4 vehicles, a Murano, a GMC 4 dr, a Miata, and my Oldman vehicle is a Buick Lucerne which holds "4" sets of golf clubs!! . . . We call it our Golf Cart! (Alberta)
The B2000 was built by Mazda in Japan. The Ranger version came later and as the B3000 and B4000.
And the B2300
I just bought a Mitsubishi RVR... one of the oldest new cars on the road. It has no fancy connectivity, I'm glad it does not now. Thanks for the information.
Mazda Australia sells a pick-up truck. It's the BT50, but not really a Mazda. It's a badge engineered Isuzu D-Max.
Yep but like most other things we don't get it in north america
Andrea looking sharp in her color coordinated leather jacket top & jeans, well done, great show, Zach did good too.
Best content among the 'car folks"!! Thanks. It's been very well publicized in the U.S. that AVERAGE insurance rates are up 20%+ in the past year, As for sale of data on our driving habits. I expect most of us don't like it in principle, but more specifically because we know we do things from time to time that the insurance folks might ding us for. I don't accellerate fast or brake fast 98% of the time, but I do tend to drive faster than the limit, moving right along with the rest of the traffic.
On the f150 you can pull the telematics fuse which disables the ford connect radio.
I can get 2 golf bags in the back of my Crossfire, and do it regularly.
(REALLY) I had better try it again!
Mazda does offer a mid size crew cab truck in Australia.
My insurance company wants me to opt-in to providing my driving behaviour (I always decline) and now I wonder if the Hyundai BlueLink app is providing data without my knowledge. It was valuable with my Ioniq 5 EV but not so much for my Tucson hybrid. I may just delete the app if I don't use it anymore. I see no concern in unplugging a SIM chip but never throw it away. Reinstall it if you go to sell the vehicle. I think it's wrong that you don't own that SIM chip only the rest of the vehicle.
I had a Jetta with the VR6 and that 2.8 liter is my all time favorite engine. Apparently there is a shop in Canada that got some VR6 crate motors that they are dropping into Golf Rs and tuning to 500 hp
We bought a 2018 ATLAS, and have had zero issues, it’s been a great car. 130,000 and counting. It is the V6
I had Geico for many years and had the glass policy, needless to say my agent said after I used it to fix a crack, it wouldn’t effect my future policy and that it’s separate. After my rates went up every time I renewed, I went to Allstate…. Progressive would touch me due to Lexus Nexus, the glass policy use made me a high risk…. I took it to a glass company called SAFELITE, a reputable company…..at geico’s instructions. My insurance went up 500.00 NO JOKE, I think the government should step in
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A response to the question about PHEVs in Toronto. The wait list for basically every compact PHEV on the market (RAV4, Korean twins, Outlander, etc.) exceeds one and a half years. When all was said and done with the new price decrease for the Model Y I chose to go with the Tesla after waiting over two years on the RAV4, Tucson, and Sportage waitlists. These are all Toronto area dealers by the way, it’s insane honestly
Wait until you have a couple of bad charging experiences in bad weather and you'll see that maybe, just maybe, waiting for the hybrid orders was a better choice.
On the subject of Volvos…I have a 2020 XC60R (turbo/super 4) that I bought used with 15k on it in 2021…now has 58k. No issues so far. This is my 5th Volvo (the first 4 were purchased new) and my experience has consistently been one or more new car issues that once resolved provided a bulletproof ride. By the way, this is a “connected vehicle”…so far no insurance hassles.
A neighbor of mine back in the day had a late 80’s Mazda B2000 pickup with a manual transmission that was not Ford based. It was a great pickup.
I am not so sure of the history of these. I thought that the earlier "rangers" (pre 90s) were Mazda based with some for ford tweaks, where as 90s and later were primarily ford designs.
I can see why this would be confusing to people. The fords and Mazdas were in partnership making these small trucks from atleast the 70s, just the main designer changed overtime.
Yous are Killin it haha thank you.
I believe majority would use e-sim instead of sim card
Golf Bags: Not a CX30!!😢 I should've taken Zack's advice and bring the clubs to the dealership. I have to take out the driver and woods out of the bag to fit width wise. Love the CX30... but may have impacted my decision 😊
My wife's Forester on the other hand, fits no problem!!!
My traction light flickers when I accelerate from standstill on poor surfaces. One in particular is at the bottom of a motorway onslip where I have to accelerate hard to get up to speed to join. One of my pet hates is people joining at 40 mph.
It's not necessary to have traction control or ABS actuation for the car or cell phone consider as rapid acceleration or hard braking. The car is constantly monitoring all accelerometer sensors installed on the car for the airbag.
Majority, maybe all, of insurance company also give incentive to install app on cell phone which check the driver.
At the end we are constantly monitored by all electronic devices and modern systems installed everywhere.
I bought a new 2008 Honda Odyssey back in 2008. I knew it would be a "collectible". 😂
Golf bags, just removed the club: driver and put on top of the golf bags. I have a Subaru outback which fit all 4 golf bags without the driver in the bag.
For the golfer… my BMW X3 and my buddy’s Mercedes GLC both take two golf bags easily. Need to take the driver one from one of them. Theres room for three if you stack.
I have a 2018 Honda CRV and two golf bags fit fine
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You two are my favorite car review UA-camrs. The big brother data spying segment was scary and informative. Zork cute to see you acknowledge that Andrea is hot. You two have great on screen chemistry. Thank you for your honest and informative reviews. ‘Preciate the integrity as well. Cheers!
Tell me more about that cup holder insert?
My insurance company asked me if I wanted to use their tracker for a lower rate, and I thought, are you kidding me? No way!!! I haven't been in a fender bender for over 30 yrs and I still wouldn't want to be tracked. This information needs to be made private. People need to be given the benefit of the doubt. I guess if somebody has been in an accident, then they need to prove to the insurance company they aren't a risk but otherwise, this is garbage.
Same here! I said that is a firm no!
They need to pass legislation preventing the selling of personal data! This is a violation of "EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY" .
There should be an opt out option for any data share.
Mazda has the BT-50 in other markets. It lags behind other offerings like the Toyota Hilux, Isuzu D-Max and Mitsubishi L200 (The current BT-50 has the same platform as the D-Max, which is a great work pickup truck).
I guess back lane is the northern neighbor term for alley❤
My 2013 CX5 was pretty tight for 2 cart bags and 2 fold up carts for sideways loading. But my 2016 RX350 is bigger and easier to load than the 2013 CX5. Hope that helps the golfers. But I should also add, there wouldn't be room for 3 bags and carts to be loaded sideways. You would have to lower one of the rear seats and put the bags in lengthwise. So 3 people with bags and carts could be loaded. 4 people, nope. Hope that helps.
Hey Jack and Andrea, what a wonderful topic this week. AI and other autonomous tracking devices should be regulated. I think that its developing quicker than people can regulate it. A women in Mcdonough, GA said that her “OnStar” system in her Camaro was tracking events like speeding and other traffic related events without her knowledge on the same LexisNexis report.
Re: Volvo reliability, my '21 XC60 T5 Momentum has had two minor-ish issues, a failed City Safety sensor module that was replaced under warranty, and prematurely worn brake pads that the dealer replaced as a courtesy. No issues otherwise at 22,000 miles. I'd recommend a '20 or '21 model with the base T5 powertrain, which with its proven turbo-four and Aisin transmission should remain solid outside of warranty. T6 and T8 models are more powerful, but add complexity that may prove expensive in the long term.
If my insurance costs go down for being a good driver I would gladly let them look at my data. I basically always drive at or just below the speed limit.
I have the 24 Atlas CS and I really like it. I have almost 6k miles and did have an issue with the module that connects the infotainment to emergency services but that has been it. Common issue I am hearing. Otherwise AOK. It is a lease however. When I retire I won’t be leasing anymore so Toyota/Lexus/Honda/Acura will be where I go. But for leasing about cares?
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Regarding the golf clubs: Honda Passport and Kia Telluride have plenty of room for 2 bags.
There’s no way for me to find out -if a suv will take my golf bags!..But as a grown man, I would like to know if there’s a way to Adjust the amount of pressure “ on the push start button “ on my Lexus???.. I’m just exhausted from it in route to my vegetarian female studies class !
The first Ford Ranger was a Mazda B2000 then the second generation went to a Ford based product. They do produce a pickup with another Japanese company for Asia.
I don’t think they want to mix it up with their luxury inclination in North America.
if you do not drive more than 15000 miles a year then ICE engine vehicle may cost less in overall cost! They are cheaper to buy and Gas at this point is cheaper to buy than electricity. I have seen comparisons that electric cars are equivalent to $5.00 per gallon gas and you have to buy charger and have it wired to your home a substantial cost as well and Insurance is also higher than ICE engines!
Yes, hockey bags! We need that comparison for us hockey “uber” parents 😂
Hi Zach/andrea, my question is, do u think byd
Will make it to the North American market?
Modern cellular radios don't need physical sim cards. It's in the software/firmware now.
eSIMs should not be owned by anyone other than the vehicle owner unless they expressly agree to allow the data to be collected and sold without compensating the vehicle owner.
@@ScubaSteveCanada
That's true for this whole subject, esims, or not. One of those companies (car or insurance, or both) is gonna get sued over this issue.
A question. I recently bought the Highlander Limited. I passed on the Platinum because all Platinums have the Panoramic sunroof. Quite a few comments on cracks and even exploding sunroofs. The repair is $ 11,000 in the states. What is your opinion?
I wondered the same thing about the connected car app. It knows waaay too much info about my driving. It’s kinda scary. Knows every single trip I took, the mpg, etc. crazy times.
Perhaps new cars have eSIM instead of a physical SIM card.
That's the problem with so many companies who put data collection of their customers AHEAD of actually serving their customers via incentives for the sales staff/dealers to push these connected "features"/subscription features hard. I would've told that sales guy that he needs to find a better employer/company/line of work if my job(????) as a customer is to make HIS/HER life better/easier!
Not only do they know how you drive but where you get gas, where you shop, what streets you drive down, who connects their phone to the car what friends houses you go to, what restaurants you go to etc
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Hybrid over EV. Most people don’t realize what the STRATA/Installation company charges to install an EV charger in a parking spot. I live in North Vancouver, cost is $4100 per unit/parking spot. $3875+taxes and fees. PLUS, the installer keeps all rebates. Strata rules say parking is “Limited Common Property” meaning they own it, you have the right to park in it.
THEN you have to pay $20 per month for the active MANAGEMENT of your charger, this is for the company and calculates your usage and bills you separately from your B.C. Hydro bill. Don’t like these rules? No EV charger for you.
I am a light duty truck user that doesn’t tow but uses the bed often. I use a Mazda B2300 right now. I wish there were proper newer replacements for it.
The main things I need or would like are
- 4cyl NA engine
- 6 foot bed, but at least 5 feet+ (prefer body on frame, but not exclusively so)
- compact size
- extended cab
- budget price
The Maverick comes close but has a smaller bed then I would like and it keeps moving up in price. The Ranger is too expensive. The Tacoma is too expensive.
Honestly give me something more basic with a much lower price tag.
Liking your new GTI?
Connected services.. damned if you do damned if you don’t. Some used remote start in cold weather. Emergency crash notification. Stolen car tracking.. selling data to insurance companies bad…bad
Just a comment about insurance companies. Earlier this year I received a bill from my insurance company saying that the actual mileage I drive exceeded what I had told them. When I called asking about this I was told that when I get my oil changed, the mileage information was being sent to another company who then sells it to my insurance company. I have a 10year old Toyota - not connected. As far as I'm concerned, this is a shady business practice and I wish I could opt out of anyone sending information about me without my consent.
How does any oil change company know who you insure your vehicle with? They don't. Sounds like you need a new insurance company.
If you have ever gotten a CARFAX report on a used car, you will see service records for the warranty period, so that data is not being collected just for the benefit of the insurance companies.
Interesting topic… in Canada about 5 years ago they introduced an app to allow you to be monitored for your driving habits.
However it’s not designed for normal driving. It would give you a bad score unless you’re going extremely slow, at least 10-20 below the city speed limit and braking or accelerating extremely slow.
You could opt in to get this app activated on your insurance and potentially reduce your insurance costs.
I didn’t but some people are getting reduced rates because of it. But they could also increase your rates especially if you had a bad rating and had an insurance claim.
The person reporting this would definitely had opted in to the service or feature. You need to grant someone access.
Typical though people just agree to services that they don’t understand
We see what you did: Post on Instagram on Sunday morning. Was getting up at 7am too early? (It certainly was for me!)
I can put both our golf bags I my CX 5 without dropping the seats
I made a statement to you guys about this also. Kia is selling our information to insurance companies and sends them our driving habits. I called kia to opt out of it and they said " it is not for your 23 kia sportage. It is for the 24 models
All manufacturers are doing it.
Yeah, they are clearly lying
My friend in Germany has a loaded 2022 Mercedes PHEV C Class AMG wagon. It was €82,000 (tax in). It is really nice. Over 110km on a charge. His brother in law has a 2023 GLC AMG PHEV and it was €90,000. Yikes. The C wagon isn’t even 4matic.
Toyota Prius Prime !! My friend bought one, it’s interesting to know the ICE will run at first (hybrid mode) to warm up the engine which means it could run longer in the colder weather, before the car can run in EV mode. Prius owners are also told to not over charge the battery. 80% is better then 100% for everyday driving so that means the EV distance is 20% lower in real life. After I found that out I would prefer the Hybrid only model as it gets better mpg then the Prime when in hybrid mode anyway. Why pay all that extra money for the Prime?
With batteries warranted for 8 or 10 years you can be sure the software engineer charging parameters take this into account.
I've reached out to my VW salesperson. I really don't like the idea of this as a possibility of them tracking our information and selling it. Hope that is not the case. following along for updates as well. Keep up the great work. Did you cancel your VW app too?
2.0 t in vw atlas should be bulletproof if maintained. Tried and tested in dozens of models.
I had a grad student from China who said drivers have to be very careful because of constant monitoring. Good news: no road rage.
You’re going to hear from all the retired golfer corvette owners now 😂
Listening in my Nissan frontier, speaking of gas guzzlers.
if they are gonna put they insurance higher based on the data then the reverse should be true and they put it down as well if your data is good. Which I'm sure they aren't doping
in the future, the majority of ICE vehicles will be just as desirable as incandescent lightbulbs are now .
Your phone sends way more data to brokers than your car can. Everything we do is tracked and logged. A car doing the same is the least of our worries imo.
What if u have the head unit connected to your home wifi....data transfer
Orrrrr.. is the sim part of native nav so owners cannot get rid of tracking? Hmmmmm
Dealer does..
Maybe its a good thing BC, Saskatchewan and Manitoba have public car insurance.
In regards to your recommendation for the Outlander PHEV, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this the vehicle that had major problems this past winter when the temperatures dropped out in Western Canada? They wouldn't start and the dealers told customers to "tow it to some place warm"! Not sure this deserves a recommendation.
We reported on that in our Outlander PHEV review recently. Temperatures need to drop to around -20 degrees celsius. We had it in Vancouver and it was quite cold here -12 degrees celsius and we had no problems with it starting. Mitsubishi took action right away and has done a software update to improve on this. Although it's not as cold now, we'll have to wait until next winter when temperatures drop again, viewers who own one are telling me they are seeing some improvements such as the engine not coming on as much after the update.
Anytime frame for when you’ll review the new Equinox Ev?
Not sure, we are waiting for it to arrive in the press fleet in Vancouver. Still waiting for the Blazer EV to arrive too.
Small collisions on new cars are far more expensive to repair these days. Cameras, radar adaptive sensors, parking sensors and fancy headlight systems have increased insurance costs. Add car thefts, ev right offs, fraud and wildfire claims are all reasons for insurance to skyrocket.
Increase ... yes, skyrocket ... no.
For Volvos read abt owners warning away from complicated Volvo engines with both a Supercharger and Turbocharger. Guess 2021 and older Volvos back to mid 2000s.
J D Power reliability survey: the average car has two reliability issues, a Volvo has 2.5. Many others, like VW, Audi, Chevrolet, Ford, Tesla, have more than 2.5.
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