One of the funniest personal explanations for this REDACTED characters is Toby wanting to shove some character into the stable for some joke but ending up hating the joke and being like "you know what, no, fuck it" so he just shoves the entire script into limbo and scribbles over the character because he hates the joke he came up with one late night. Is this true? I don't know, but it's a funny thought.
Honestly this makes perfect sense iv seen tons of devs do exactly that make a joke or gimmick not like it then probably just forgot about one day then saw it and went”eh just leave it for giggles and let people go crazy over it”
i believe mystery man is Gaster is mystery man because i saw a video where someone took a screenshot after the end of entry 17 and brightened it they saw mystery man but u have to wait a minute u before ajusting the brightness and stuff
Redacted being an amalgamate is a possibility that makes a lot of sense honestly, especially some of the amalgamates(mostly the memoryheads) seemingly having refferences to gaster. The attacks that resemble gasters head without cracks, the fact that they seem to be partially made of a gaster blaster, and the whole "calling through the phone" thing. Maybe redacted was planned to be similar to the memoryheads in having refferences to gaster. The memory heads honestly do feel a bit out of place compared to the other amalgamates, especially since we never see them return to their families ...
I don't remember if this was ever proven, but I remember early in the underminers reddit when people put the most effort into researching this stuff. Someone said the "sprite" used for what we refer to as redacted here was a piece of what makes up Muffet's battle sprite. Even if that specifically isn't true, I think at least what it implies is. Redacts was something toby was toying with creating an event for, but at some point didn't like it and cut it. Moved the room to an unused room, hit the flag that makes it unloadable due to dogcheck, and moved on. But the sprite used there likely pointed to a specific place in the array, and rather than do the same he did with the room and just "move" it, he overwrote it. Just continued on from that place in the array. So what we are seeing is the game loading whatever visual data he put in that space. Though with the dimensions the original sprite had, so it doesn't look quite right. That is what I always believed anyway. It always just was a bit clouded by the fact Toby had some intentionally "unfinished" type hidden things he wanted or expected people to find. This one was supposed to NOT be found. And it really wouldn't have been because dogcheck was the way he stopped people trying to find the intentional stuff in the data accidentally finding the actual unfinished cut things. Its just like, SUPER in line with what he was going for with gaster so its easy to think it meant something. I mean hell, it might have even been cut content from trying to implement gaster! Don't really think so though, because of it's development being obviously around the time of the waterfall section and gaster stuff didn't really show up in data files till much later. IMO, with how the animation is identical to Napstablook fading in and out when you approach in the farm, I agree with the other guy in the comments. It might have been an early event based on Mettaton before he was a robot. Would even sort of fit with the development around the time of waterfall stuff because I think Toby intended to go a different direction with mettaton early on (as evidenced by the "you can marry a robot!" claim in the kickstarter never making it into the game)
0:49 deltarune site was created 2015, but there was just a black image called ''him'', that if you bright the image, it would appear a message of entry 17 ''this experiment seems very very interesting'', prolly refering to deltarune (you can use wayback machine to check)
More confirmation : Mysteryman appears on FUN : 66 Every gaster follower only appears in a FUN with 6 Gaster's stats are just a bunch of 6's So therefore, that should mean mysteryman has the STRONGEST association out of all the gaster followers to gaster.
neither have enough substantial evidence to prove that they are gaster additionally, we do know (at least partially) what gaster looks like one of the gaster followers outright states that he is holding a piece of gaster, a piece which appears to be a face.
But they literally do? Mystery man plays a version of gaser’s theme when he disappears, like the followers. Only appears at fun value 66, and gaster’s random coded stats were all 6s. Also fun value is commonly related to gaster. Also redacted speaks in wing dings, commonly associated with gaster as the w.d. most likely means wing dings. And yes, he said he was holding a PIECE of him. Which could mean the others, mystery man and redacted, could also be pieces.
Actually, what's interesting with the Gaster disappear noise is that only the follower that claims to hold a piece of him plays this sound as well. Unless you count Clamgirl in the later patch, but there's an argument there for her being a full-on possession by Gaster himself, due to the conversation being about "Suzy" (Susie). Especially with her entire head changing to just an eye.
Oh, that's true! I never made that connection. I remember the first Gaster follower footage I saw was the one holding the piece of Gaster, this was years ago when we barely knew anything about it. It's such a vivid memory to me because I remember the sound of "mysterygo" scaring the crap out of me (that, coupled with the disappearance of the follower after saying something so ominous, was freaky). So when I saw the other two followers I was confused on why they didn't disappear after saying their last line (they only go away once you leave their room) and that inconsistency really bothered me. Like there was something else about it that I was missing (especially when the bird-like Gaster follower has an amazing ominous line that could have been perfect for a disappearance act) But this makes a whole lot of sense! And the fact that the soundfile might be Gaster's theme but altered lends credibility to that as well! Thank you for sharing.
Honestly if the gaster follower with the piece is actually meant to be holding his face (because that's clearly what it's supposed to be) than it would make sense for BOTH mystery man and REDACTED to be gaster (mystery man looks like the piece and REDACTED is missing a face)
personally to me the sprite always looked like it was redacted too, like toby took a white brush so we can't see the original design (which actually plays into my theory that this was an early version of the mysterman fun event that was accidentally left in)
I always liked the idea that Gaster widely represents gaming creepypasta/unused game asset hunting in the early days of the internet. Some unused data COULD be or COULD NOT be Gaster, but unused data is diegetic to Toby's worlds just like how saving and loading is. So REDACTED, the stable, grandpa semi, the followers, mysteryman, and even unused areas as a whole could be considered "fragments" of Gaster because he exists in the depths of the game that nobody is supposed to see. A part of the game that sometimes leaks through in the form of FUN events.
Redacted being a cut form of "Hapstablook" actually makes a lot of sense. I imagine it was supposed to be a room that would show what they looked like before they became Mettaton, like a... "ghost" of who they once were.
This makes sense but the problem is Ghosts can't die, so there wouldn't be a way for them to turn into an amalgamate (unless they became content or fused with a physical body which is a possibility
i feel like redacted is a pretty obvious early version of the mysteryman room. same general shape, both in waterfall, both have "gaster" in them. my personal theory is that redacted was removed for being way too on the nose. there would be absolutely no mystery to mysteryman if he spoke in wingdings, or spat you into the soundtest, or used the theme in the sans grillby date etc. also it being locked behind dogcheck is like, a dead giveaway that its not canon
Idk to me RedactedDess is just a symptom of advanced Deltarune brainrot. Like yeah, there is barely any hints towards Dess and her fate in Deltarune itself, but now people seriously think an even more obscure reference in another game somehow relates to her? Sure... People are just grasping at straws imo.
its such a weird but fulfiling feeling that even for a game 8 years old theres so many new things being discovered, btw the video is really well made :D love it
I REALLY do think that the removal of redacted (and possibly grandpa semi from the story) are what inspired toby to create gaster. It really lines up to me with how gaster's room has a similar shape to room water redacted because toby probably based the mystery man event off of the removal of the original stable from the game. It has a very similar feel to something like Mario 64 B3313 where a good chunk of is DOES have grounds in actual removed content or datamined test levels, and then turns those concepts into a playable game and story based around the idea of removed content and early test builds. It fits really well with UT's metanarrative of aspects of a video game being portrayed as parts of the world and things that have a real impact on the game. This also very much lines up with pretty much all gaster related things being added noticeably late into development, because it very likely had never been planned from the start and the concept of it came later on in development drawing inspiration from what had actually been removed from the game.
@@kiekz Nope. The crashes mentioned in the comment are the intentional "crashes" that happens as a part of the story. Those are just the game shutting itself off at a time when you wouldn't think it would, creating the illusion of a crash.
In the video's context of crashes it's talking about the crashes that are not intentional by the developer(s), not to where the game just purposefully closes itself out. Crashes only really happen when there's something wrong in the game's code that causes an error and results in the game being unable to stay open. The times when it's on purpose such as in the omega Flowey scene, are perfectly normal because there's nothing wrong with the game's code to cause it to ACTUALLY stop the game from working properly.
My theorie is that redacted is just a first draft for the mystery man. I think Toby knew he wanted gaster in waterfall somewhere but didn't know where so he made the stable first but I would assume realize that that's kind of weird and did it the way that we see it in the game now with the secret door. Redacted's room still exists as just a leftover from game development perhaps
My theory is that Redacted is what's left of a very early version of a scene with Sans, because of the fact that "Premonition" is playing. I think that the original scene was supposed to be another conversation with Sans, similarly to the one that happens at Grillby's, and that Toby decided to scrap, but while deleting the code, he just decided to say "y'know what fuck it", cobbled together some semi-crypric dialogue and decided to keep it in.
redacted's design actually reminds me of Sadako from The Ring It's look kinda looks like it has hair draped over the head/face and a weird arm hunched position like Sadako is contemporarily depicted like I mean if it was really meant to be one of Napstablook's family members, a silly reference like that would probably make sense.
Isn't it true that there was a Vynil or something, that had both the [Redacted] and the MysteryMan sprites in the cover, but later on MysteryMan's was replaced by a Heart while [Redacted] was left there untouched? The only proof I have of this is a not-so-high quality image on Google from a portuguese language source, so could someone with more experience looking for old images please help me confirm this? That'd be much appreciated! Anyways, if that's true, then that'd point more towards MysteryMan being Gaster, because it was purposefully taken out as something that must not be seen much yet; all while leaving [Redacted] there as a quirky extra to aknowledge its existence
I believe REDACTED actually IS cannon! Or atleast officially recognized, I belive there was a piece of official art that featured all the characters, and in it was both mysteryman AND redacted! And they where both removed later on, (in typical gaster fashion.) I believe this had happened twice actually, in two different art pieces. Though I do not remember the specifics of what they were.
I don't think this counts since it's merch designed presumably by a fan and Toby already mentioned that merch isn't canon I doubt redacted can give us any relevant information and I believe it is just an unused sprite that for some reason uses wingdings. It's also connected closer to the stable rather than anything gaster-related
They were probably removed because Redacted is an unfinished sprite and Toby always seems to not want Mystery Man or any allusion to Gaster beyond the followers to appear on merch.
I think "Redacted" was the original design of Gaster, and the stable was the original concept for the Fun Event. Toby has stated that DELTARUNE is based on a fever dream about an ending of a game which (at the time) didn't exist. There's a possibility that Gaster appeared in said dream, and that "Redacted" is a more faithful representation of how Gaster appeared in the fever dream. Over time, Gaster's appearance changed to the "Mystery Man" sprite, and becoming the mysterious yet (seemingly) goofy scientist that we've talked to on Twitter. I mean, you can't tell me that the guy who fell into an alternate universe/his own game, built a giant energy source that has several puzzles, can re-arrange itself, and blasts a banger 24/7 is not at least _somewhat_ of a dork.
I honestly think that while redacted isn't gaster now thanks to the video, i do think there is still importance to them. Toby knew that people would find this anyway, because it is explicitly redacted. I don't think the original script just said "redacted" so unless it's a joke to toby I do think he still expected people to find it. One theory I remember hearing a long time ago was that deltarune, when completed, would un-redact the room. I don't think this will happen... but I'm holding out hope lol
0:33 thought it was obvious that mettaton hired muffet - we know mettaton hires mercenaries in the core - she mentions mettaton "changing shape" in the shadows which could be him switching between the ex and box form - it doesnt make sense for any other character - we know for sure that mettaton is rich enough
Really random hypothethis: Although I have my own speculation on who redacted is, if it was an amalgamate of a Napstablook family member and some other monster/monsters, I think maybe at least one of the other components would be a gyftrot and/or Aaron, although Gyftrot would be more likely since Aaron is already part of Lemon Bread.
I think that Redacted is called Redacted for a reason, that being because it was completely scrapped from the game and "redacted". There's no bizarre lore connection, it's just a scrapped Gaster draft.
Theory: Gaster was LITERALLY scattered across time and space. More accurately, Undertale. He is scattered across Undertale. Thats why you hear his leitmotif so much. Thats why you can find a lot of Goner NPCs. Thats why Sans and Papyrus showed up.
You know. Redacted really reminds me of the egg man from deltarune. When he disappeared the dialog of his presence only notes the fact that there wasnt someone here. "Well, there is a man behind tree/ well there is no man behind the tree" it was something like that, I cant remember off the top of my head. Later the stuff with the egg in itself " what egg?" And the fact that it never leaves you. Also there is a real heated debate with the valentine's letter. Maybe toby decided to remake this character into whatever he is doing with the egg man. Tbh good for him, he got a promotion from "redacted" to "egg man" . Other people say it's the river person. Not redacted, the letter. Hmm, but just a thought.
I'm completely on board with the idea of Redacted being a scrapped amalgamate. Adding on to your ideas about it, the term "redacted" fits in with the amalgamates and their creepy, mysterious vibe. Similar to the blank names of the memoryheads or the garble of text that shows up when you try attacking some of the amalgamates.
I think what happened is Redacted & Stable were meant to be part of a less serious (optional?) puzzle, but Toby didn't finish it, so he put it aside, naming the character redacted in the files. Maybe later he got inspired by it to make a whole new story and character, W. D. Gaster, named after the Wing Dings font the scrapped character used.
I say neither are Gaster untill toby says otherwise Or they are both because they say "gaster was shattered across time and space" So I dunno maybe think about it
What about the merch that came out, it was a tote bag or something similar that had sprites of every character on it, including Mystery Man AND Redacted but then either one of them or both got removed when they updated the merch. I bet Toby just plays into it to keep fucking with everyone wondering which is Gaster
"Why did Chara climb the mountain?" It is implied that Chara had a traumatizing pre-mountain childhood, and quite possibly did not intend to survive the experience of falling down a hole. - Asriel says that Chara's reason for climbing the mountain "wasn't a happy reason". - Chara's room has a minifridge. This is something that indicates that Chara had food hoarding tendencies, which are common in children who have gone through serious abuse or neglect. - Chara was willing to commit a very slow and painful form of suicide. We _know_ it was slow because of the tape in the True Lab where the family was begging Chara to not die, which they would not have done if they just found Chara already dead. - Where did Chara get that knife from? Did they bring it with them? (This evidence is less strong.) - Finally, it is said in the prologue that there is a legend that people who climb the mountain never return. (Though it is possible the legend came into being _after_ Chara left, so this is also less strong as evidence.) Bonus: Frisk's reasons for climbing the mountain are unlikely to have been happy either: - Frisk's starting equipment is a bandage. The check text for it is that it has "already been used multiple times" (ew). Frisk is perfectly willing to reapply the bandage as a healing item when injured again later (double ew). - The Abandoned Quiche has special text for dropping it: "You leave the Quiche on the ground and tell it you'll be right back." - Even if the legend about Mt. Ebott being a mountain that nobody returns from wasn't present in Chara's time, it was _absolutely_ present by Frisk's time. Asriel even asks why Frisk would climb a mountain given those stories. - (This is less clear; it is likely that these options exist to be funny, not to imply something as serious as this.) Even if Chara is the narrator, I believe Frisk to be the one in charge of _which_ ACTs show up in the actual battles. If so, why is it that Frisk's go-to conflict resolution strategy is flirting? _With adults?_ This is age-inappropriate behavior. Someone has to have exposed them to this kind of behavior, or if not, at _least_ nobody paid enough attention to them to keep them out of such things or explain them in an age-appropriate manner. Like... I'm not saying someone was grooming Frisk, but I'm not _not_ saying it either. I hope this gives you something to be sad/distressed about!
"Why did Chara climb the mountain?" It is implied that Chara had a traumatizing pre-mountain childhood, and quite possibly did not intend to survive the experience of falling down a hole. - Asriel says that Chara's reason for climbing the mountain "wasn't a happy reason". - Chara's room has a minifridge. This is something that indicates that Chara had food hoarding tendencies, which are common in children who have gone through serious abuse or neglect. - Chara was willing to commit a very slow and painful form of suicide. We _know_ it was slow because of the tape in the True Lab where the family was begging Chara to not die, which they would not have done if they just found Chara already dead. - Where did Chara get that knife from? Did they bring it with them? (This evidence is less strong.) - Finally, it is said in the prologue that there is a legend that people who climb the mountain never return. (Though it is possible the legend came into being _after_ Chara left, so this is also less strong as evidence.) Bonus: Frisk's reasons for climbing the mountain are unlikely to have been happy either: - Frisk's starting equipment is a bandage. The check text for it is that it has "already been used multiple times" (ew). Frisk is perfectly willing to reapply the bandage as a healing item when injured again later (double ew). - The Abandoned Quiche has special text for dropping it: "You leave the Quiche on the ground and tell it you'll be right back." - Even if the legend about Mt. Ebott being a mountain that nobody returns from wasn't present in Chara's time, it was _absolutely_ present by Frisk's time. Asriel even asks why Frisk would climb a mountain given those stories. - (This is less clear; it is likely that these options exist to be funny, not to imply something as serious as this.) Even if Chara is the narrator, I believe Frisk to be the one in charge of _which_ ACTs show up in the actual battles. If so, why is it that Frisk's go-to conflict resolution strategy is flirting? Wiggling hips? This is age-inappropriate behavior. Someone has to have exposed them to this kind of behavior, or if not, at _least_ nobody paid enough attention to them to keep them out of such things or explain them in an age-appropriate manner. I'm not saying Frisk was groomed but I'm not _not_ saying it. I hope this gives you something to be sad/disturbed about!
You guys are right that they do die, but the reason they die in the first place is bc they are fully fused with their corporeal form, so Redacted is Ghost who died while inside their corporeal body just out of nowhere? Isn't it being Dess or just a unused version of the Mystery Man FUN Event more simple?
But u guys might be onto something tho, it could be Grandpa Semi! Now hear me out, we never got any actual confirmation or even indication that Grandpa Semi is related to the Skeletons, it could be that instead, he is the grandpa of the Ghosts, and that could actually be supported by how his Unsed Theme "Grandpa_Semi.ogg" contains the Motif of "Metal Crusher" aka Mettaton's Battle Theme, it seems to me that this connects Grandpa Semi to Mettaton who himself is a Ghost and since they are all cousins that means that Grandpa Semi is their Grandfather.
as a sidenote, I highly believe that redacted is actually the first iteration of the gaster easter egg, being that he has a very similar interaction to the mystery man, just somewhat in reverse, being that he appears as you get closer rather than disappearing once you approach and interact either that, or he might be the the 'original gaster', or the room he was supposed to be encountered in, however due to his shattering this ceased to exist along with himself (this admittedly might be a stretch) also, hot take, what if the other two gaster is referring to in entry 13 is actually two other pieces of himself? WAIT if the stable is a removed object, that implies the redacted sprite that appears in it is a horse, right? what chess piece uses the horse as a symbol representing it? the knight
It might also be a beta memoryhead before he decided to make them connected to deltarune. Makes sense since we don't see the memoryheads in the epilogue
I want to just say i adore when you are all confident and say things definetly, it feels like a nice breeze of fresh air to me when it doesnt feel like we walk on eggshells to avoid "arguments" with people Personally i remember being on this era i headcanoned super hard back in the early days that Redacted was somehow Gaster's wife who suffered an even worse fate and was his motivation to research spacetime and such and ended up like him But after that phase i too thought there was no way Redacted was Gaster, i felt like the dogcheck was a clear enough game statement on what is meant to be found by players and what isn't
I think Redacted is Gaster but in an early version, Because: -Both were destined to be in Waterfall -They speak in Windings -The way you encounter them is similar -The value 666 does not resemble that of Redacted, this indicates why it is a random value in the early creation stage of Gaster
I think the best evidence against Redacted being Gaster is the fact that his room is blocked by dog check, and on top of that, the ABC123 sound file in the code tells people not to dig through the files looking for secrets. I think meticulously combing the files for information is where Toby draws the line for secret hiding
Cool theory, but maybe [redacted] is related to MysteryMan (like a smaller sibling because they talk in lowercase and gaster speaks in uppercase) and he went into hiding because gaster fell down and thats why he became depressed, and thats why he dissapears from the player. Or when gaster fell down the core, he spread into 2 (MysteryMan and [redacted]) or 3, because in deltarune jevil and spamton went crazy because of the "knight" telling them that theyre in a game. Dunno i just thought of that while watching the vid
Redacted could actually just be Lemon Bread - it contains Shyren's sister who would probably end up around this part of Waterfall after the amalgamates were returned to their families
Hate to be that guy but, papyrus’s motif is not in sans’s theme, it shows up in “Song that might play when you fight sans” for a moment, but that song doesn’t actually play in game, all other sans themes contain no excerpts from Bonetrousle
theory: what if redacted is an amalgamate combined with a gaster shard? my theory is that the gaster folowers tried to revive gaster by throwing a gaster shard into an amalgamate because they knew amalgamates are an *_amalgamation_* of various monsters but by doing that, napstablook's parent then got [redacted] out of existance, that would explain all the conections to napstablook, W.D. gaster and the amalgamates on [redacted]
Ok hear me out, gaster is actually a parallel to lord English, lord English from Homestuck apparently forces timelines to run parallel to the alpha timeline as for him to exist meaning the characters don't really have a choice, what does the voice at the beginning of deltarune (presumably gaster) say? That we don't choose our fate. coincidence? I think NOT! Now lord English also corrupted a clown and possessed a puppet right? What does gaster do...? The same thing! Now lord English is related to multiple characters which in the end of the universe come together to form him, and what does the prophecy say? That titans will appear AT THE END OF THE WORLD, now I know this is a stretch but I say in the end they come together to form Gaster, also the spamton sweepstakes have this weird thing with old technology interacting with the narrative, JUST LIKE IN HOMESTUCK! And lastly, I say the connection between Undertale and deltarune is one is pre scratch and the other post scratch. TOBY PLEASE RELEASE NEW DELTARUNE CHAPTERS IM GOING INSANE I̷̧̢̛͇̜͈̫̝̗̬͇̖͕̹͎̟̮̪̠̦̥͖̻̖͙̤͙̺͗͂͛̄̋͊̃̓̀̏̑̆́̀͋̓̒͂̂́̄͘͜ͅH̵̢̘̣̳͕̤̼̮͍͍̼͉̜̱̅͌̓̇̈̕ͅA̴̧̢͇̟̭͇̩̯̗̺͉̣̫͕̔̒́̄̍̾̑͗̐͆͆͂̋͛̎̿̎̌̍̃̐̋̑̅̕͘ͅṾ̷̗̱͔͂̅̃̃͘ͅE̸͓̱̤̱͚̜̣̦̜̟̓͒́̓̃́̑̏̚̚̕̚T̸̢̢̫̥̦̰̖̺͔͎͕̹̠͙̥̖͉̠̻̙͖̊̾͌̏̋̍͆̏̿̎̈͝͠͝͠Ơ̵͈̺̝͙͔̙͔̼̻̞̦̫̙̟̜̈̊̓͗͒͐̄̓͒́̿͘͜͝S̵͔̻̰͖̳̦͍̓́̊̇̿̓̀̉͋̀͋̍̽̑̑̓͝͠͠Ȇ̵̜̼̫͉̍̍̄͊͊̈́̿̾̄̀̌̆̈́͘͠͝͝È̷̢̡͖̘̥̮̭̰̣̺͖̌̇̈͑͗̊͌̍̚Ī̵̧̡̡͚͙̖͕͕̦̱̭̺͇͙͈̳̰̖͔̦̹̻̤̘͙͎̪̑̏͗H̴̡̗̝̑̎̑̐̒̈̉̈́̒͛̐̕͠Ą̵̧̡̟̠̩̬̖̹͇̠̗̗̖̙͙̱̰̮̩͇͕͙̬̙̱̮̈́̅̀̑̔͊̔͗́̔̏̽̍̑̌̈̄́͊͑̇̀̑̐̾́͂̕̕͝͠ͅV̶̧̡̨̧̧͍̟͔̺͖̺͈͔̟͎̳̘̰̗͔̒̈́̍̀ͅĘ̴̢̧̨͙̳͖̘͈̮̗͔̰͖̮̹̼̹͍͙͈̞͖͓͎̩̦̰̣̾̓͜ͅŢ̷̢̫̬̘̗̼̘̘͙̺̟͚̘̯̝̗̱̣̹̉̄͛̋̚O̷͈̼̹̻̿͊̍̃̌̑̋̀̄̚͠Ǩ̵̡̛̥̙̖̟͉̼̟̖͍̠̭̳̰̲̺̝͈͚͓̖͔͎̹̒̔̅̍́͒̍̀́͆̃͆̉̃͐̓́̕͝͠͝͠N̸̡̧̛͎͍̬̩͚̟͕̪̗̹̜̍̑̓̑̔̄̌͂͛͒͆͝Ō̴̢̬̬̝̌̈́͆̉̒͊̓̔͂̅̇͋̀̿̀̄͂̀̓̇͛͋̚̚͝͠Ẅ̵̦͎̻̜̼̤̪̹̟̙̭͉̘͍̞͕͔̫̠͕̹̬̮́͋̄̆̔̊͌̑͒̐̒̈́͑̋̔̍́͌̎̏̿̊̈́͊̑̂̈̃͘͜͠ͅ ̴̪̱̩͚͉̦̭̲̹̟̩͙͖́͑̌̌̈́͊͒̓͗͊̍̃̏̿͋̕ͅ
I have insider information that Sockmuppet will be releasing a comprehensive video, gaster will be EXPOSED! Actually I think it'll just be a deep dive into sound files😊
maybe redacted is an amalgamate indeed and is a piece of Gaster simultaneously, who knows? If there's a lot of pieces of him lying around and Redacted speaks in wingdings, it is possible that Redacted is the amalgamation of a Napstablook relative and a piece of Gaster, or maybe Im just tripping idk
Another thing to point out is that a gaster follower says he holds a piece of him. That could be his face found in his corpse (he fell into the core). Mystery man looks dead because he probably is the ghost of Gaster and the face was his original body. The colors dont matter because ghosts are white anyway
Horse stable lead to an stable, but inside there's a dummies that look like a horses, one of them is a training horse? You noticed snails everywhere, on right side you saw an market of hotel, supposed to look like a hotel, full of snails? You saw a blue snail with blue jacket and brown snail with violet outlines, it was confetti, a romantic atmosphere filling your nostrils... You saw an old doll, sitting and sleeping on hay, there's a sign saying "Do not disturb". The skeleton looking puppet remains asleep.
Unrelated, but: when going against some hard boss, like Jevil, Ceroba, Spamton NEO, TS!Underswap sans, Martlet, or any other hard battle, in life or in games, remember to take breaks I say this mainly because, I remember struggling to Jevil, almost beating it after trying almost the whole night, and next day winning first try, same for Spamtom NEO lol, for TS!Sans it was a shorter time gap, but still worked, breaks can really make a difference!
I believe, because of the stable's location, REDACTED was either an early Napstablook or maybe even an early plan for Mad Dummy/Mew Mew's role on the farm, since the ghosts are probably all related. Plus, kinda looks like a ghost if you squint.
A good case for Mysteryman not being Gaster is the fact that we see him at all, since Gaster at that point is completely scattered across time and space. Rather, Mysteryman is the man behind the tree in deltarune, who has many of the same properties such as disappearing and smiling. Mysteryman is related to Gaster obviously (maybe being one of the individuals spoken to by Gaster), but it feels mostly like a red herring to hoodwink us. Also Redacted is probably a test version of Gaster we were never meant to see, which is why all of its text is redacted and speaks in Winddings, Toby just didn't really want us to see or use it as much evidence
I don’t know why we’re still questioning who this Mystery Man is. Here people, this is a patch note from Toby fox himself in version v1.001 - Removed the "Fun" value in favor of a "fun" value, which essentially means that the value no longer needs to be modified to find W. D. Gaster and other related "fun" events.
Nice video ! 👍 Everything is telling us that the mystery man is Gaster (honestly the FUN value of 66 is enough for me), in my opinion it's obvious it's what Toby Fox wanted players to understand. So I agree with you ! Well, except for the part when you said a lot of people don't think the mystery man is Gaster 😏 because looking at how he is always represented, I think the fandom pretty much agrees about that...
Note that there's evidence that Gaster wasn't forgotten, as one of the followers says: "I understand why ASGORE waited so long to hire a new Royal Scientist. The previous one... Dr. Gaster. His brilliance was irreplaceable." Asgore could remember that Gaster was an amazing scientist, so he expected his successor to be at least comparable.
Completely baseless theory: Redacted is December Holiday, who also fell out of time and space in a similar manner to Gaster. Since the story of Deltarune predates Undertale according to Toby Fox, I wouldn't be surprised. Of course, such a revelation would likely be a posthumous change. "Hey this old unused thing could work for this"
my theory is that [☼︎☜︎👎︎✌︎👍︎❄︎☜︎👎︎] is Dess H and Wing G corrupted wherever (non)existence most of his fragments reside in now by 'falling into his own creation' with some of his own essence
I think your argument is legitimate, however I can't help but think- if redacted is well and truly redacted and is not in the lore in any way, then why the hell did Toby leave him in the code? We know he deletes things he genuinely doesn't want in the game in later versions (for example, the original entry 17/not the Gaster one). I find toby very meticulous, so I think redacted was left purposely, and I have a dumb theory as to who it may be. I'd argue there are three people "lost in code": Gaster, Dess, and Redacted- who I think is also The Eggman. I also -based on Spooydood's most recent video- think it is him who wrote the -as people call it- "Gaster valentine card" from the latest newsletter (To badly sum the video up- the person who wrote the card is not Gaster because he doesn't speak like the person in the card, however in our only encounter with the eggman there's a line that goes "well, there is a man here", while the card opens with "well, happy new year". Also: if you drop the egg you receive the text "what egg" , whilst at the end of letter it reads "the letter was gone" - things he touches/owns disappear without a trace- just like himself. go watch the video it's really good) ANYWAY, We have this person who was also deleted from reality but unlike Gaster (who is refenced in undertale by in-game characters/goners/can literally be found in game) redacted is well and truly.. well, redacted, completely forgotten, perhaps even by himself ("i want to help! ..there was someone i wanted to help..i seem to have forgotten who..was it myself?") so it makes more sense for him to be MUCH more hidden in game. Also if there is truly another "lost in code" character, I think he would be one of the "what do you two think?" Gaster is referring to at the end of entry 17. To me, it always made sense one of them has to be Sans (i will not elaborate. C'mon, you have to agree on this one...) I also, for example, think that in Sock Muppets's most recent theory which (to badly sum up..) he theorises Gaster is behind some of the entries in the true lab, and that entry 17 is spoken, not written (because amongst other reasons - why the hell would you write "what do you two think" in a scientific entry..). So who's the third person? It can't be Alphys (only got to the lab after Gaster was long gone) and not papyrus (c'mon, you're not seriously considering him..). My thoughts are that It has to be a character we don't yet know (but who is eggman/redacted), and if it's any deleted character that we do know by name it's uncle Sammy. In conclusion: we need to wait for future chapters :')
Great theory, but redacted is canon. They appear on the vinyl cover. I think it was removed before publishing? I really enjoyed your almagmate section.
I posted this on HalfBreadChaos' original Redacted video when it came out, but it's relevant here as well so I thought I'd repost it: It's kind of hard to pin down exactly what this is. It could just be unused code which Toby tried to get rid of but accidentally made seem really creepy. My best guess is you would have entered the stable from the farm, then you would have been brought to redacted's room, which probably would have been decorated to look like a stable or something. The redacted NPC probably would have been just a minor character with some silly dialogue or an item or something. Maybe it was going to be another one of Napstablook's family members considering it has the same ghost property as Napstablook. Perhaps it was meant to be the main focus of the snail farm instead of Thundersnail. Based on the fact that the stable room isn't decorated at all, and that the stable itself uses an obvious placeholder sprite in the same style as the game's other placeholders, I'm guessing it was cut pretty early in its development. Maybe Toby didn't want to completely remove it in case it'd break something, so he just redacted it, thinking it would end up being less creepy than it ended up being. We don't really have enough clues to proceed here. I kind of doubt it really has that much significance though, and it's probably not Gaster.
I have seen this on another theory about "redacted", although I don't remember which right now, but it does make sense, in my opinion: the "redacted" sprite isn't meant to represent an "amorphous white blob being", but it's literally "redacted", and the white paint stoke is hiding what/who "redacted" is truly supposed to be.
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One of the funniest personal explanations for this REDACTED characters is Toby wanting to shove some character into the stable for some joke but ending up hating the joke and being like "you know what, no, fuck it" so he just shoves the entire script into limbo and scribbles over the character because he hates the joke he came up with one late night.
Is this true? I don't know, but it's a funny thought.
BAD and NAUGHTY jokes get put in LIMBO FOR ALL ETERNITY
Honestly this makes perfect sense iv seen tons of devs do exactly that make a joke or gimmick not like it then probably just forgot about one day then saw it and went”eh just leave it for giggles and let people go crazy over it”
That actually makes so much sense. I can totally envision myself doing that exact set of steps.
@@redwiltshire1816 yall just be making anything your pfp
@@patlov I need to start keeping count of these replies lol
i believe mystery man is Gaster is mystery man because i saw a video where someone took a screenshot after the end of entry 17 and brightened it they saw mystery man but u have to wait a minute u before ajusting the brightness and stuff
Redacted being an amalgamate is a possibility that makes a lot of sense honestly, especially some of the amalgamates(mostly the memoryheads) seemingly having refferences to gaster. The attacks that resemble gasters head without cracks, the fact that they seem to be partially made of a gaster blaster, and the whole "calling through the phone" thing. Maybe redacted was planned to be similar to the memoryheads in having refferences to gaster. The memory heads honestly do feel a bit out of place compared to the other amalgamates, especially since we never see them return to their families ...
maybe its an amalgamate between a Napstablook family member and a piece of gaster
I don't remember if this was ever proven, but I remember early in the underminers reddit when people put the most effort into researching this stuff. Someone said the "sprite" used for what we refer to as redacted here was a piece of what makes up Muffet's battle sprite.
Even if that specifically isn't true, I think at least what it implies is. Redacts was something toby was toying with creating an event for, but at some point didn't like it and cut it. Moved the room to an unused room, hit the flag that makes it unloadable due to dogcheck, and moved on. But the sprite used there likely pointed to a specific place in the array, and rather than do the same he did with the room and just "move" it, he overwrote it. Just continued on from that place in the array. So what we are seeing is the game loading whatever visual data he put in that space. Though with the dimensions the original sprite had, so it doesn't look quite right.
That is what I always believed anyway. It always just was a bit clouded by the fact Toby had some intentionally "unfinished" type hidden things he wanted or expected people to find. This one was supposed to NOT be found. And it really wouldn't have been because dogcheck was the way he stopped people trying to find the intentional stuff in the data accidentally finding the actual unfinished cut things.
Its just like, SUPER in line with what he was going for with gaster so its easy to think it meant something. I mean hell, it might have even been cut content from trying to implement gaster! Don't really think so though, because of it's development being obviously around the time of the waterfall section and gaster stuff didn't really show up in data files till much later.
IMO, with how the animation is identical to Napstablook fading in and out when you approach in the farm, I agree with the other guy in the comments. It might have been an early event based on Mettaton before he was a robot. Would even sort of fit with the development around the time of waterfall stuff because I think Toby intended to go a different direction with mettaton early on (as evidenced by the "you can marry a robot!" claim in the kickstarter never making it into the game)
No. But Gaster IS Redacted
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deltarune site was created 2015, but there was just a black image called ''him'', that if you bright the image, it would appear a message of entry 17 ''this experiment seems very very interesting'', prolly refering to deltarune
(you can use wayback machine to check)
More confirmation :
Mysteryman appears on FUN : 66
Every gaster follower only appears in a FUN with 6
Gaster's stats are just a bunch of 6's
So therefore, that should mean mysteryman has the STRONGEST association out of all the gaster followers to gaster.
Such a shame this video only got 10 views
neither have enough substantial evidence to prove that they are gaster
additionally, we do know (at least partially) what gaster looks like
one of the gaster followers outright states that he is holding a piece of gaster, a piece which appears to be a face.
But they literally do? Mystery man plays a version of gaser’s theme when he disappears, like the followers. Only appears at fun value 66, and gaster’s random coded stats were all 6s. Also fun value is commonly related to gaster. Also redacted speaks in wing dings, commonly associated with gaster as the w.d. most likely means wing dings. And yes, he said he was holding a PIECE of him. Which could mean the others, mystery man and redacted, could also be pieces.
I always have believed that REDACTED was an early test for "Grandpa Semi" before he was actually scrapped and turned into Gaster
OMG SAMEEEE
I can't believe I didn't know that grandpa Semi was early Gaster, I learn new things about this game everyday it seems
Why tf is he a ghost then 😭 omg
@@basethecharcoal Maybe an early Napstablook too
early napstablook, in waterfall@@elio7610
Actually, what's interesting with the Gaster disappear noise is that only the follower that claims to hold a piece of him plays this sound as well. Unless you count Clamgirl in the later patch, but there's an argument there for her being a full-on possession by Gaster himself, due to the conversation being about "Suzy" (Susie). Especially with her entire head changing to just an eye.
Oh, that's true! I never made that connection.
I remember the first Gaster follower footage I saw was the one holding the piece of Gaster, this was years ago when we barely knew anything about it.
It's such a vivid memory to me because I remember the sound of "mysterygo" scaring the crap out of me (that, coupled with the disappearance of the follower after saying something so ominous, was freaky).
So when I saw the other two followers I was confused on why they didn't disappear after saying their last line (they only go away once you leave their room) and that inconsistency really bothered me. Like there was something else about it that I was missing (especially when the bird-like Gaster follower has an amazing ominous line that could have been perfect for a disappearance act)
But this makes a whole lot of sense! And the fact that the soundfile might be Gaster's theme but altered lends credibility to that as well!
Thank you for sharing.
Honestly if the gaster follower with the piece is actually meant to be holding his face (because that's clearly what it's supposed to be) than it would make sense for BOTH mystery man and REDACTED to be gaster (mystery man looks like the piece and REDACTED is missing a face)
personally to me the sprite always looked like it was redacted too, like toby took a white brush so we can't see the original design (which actually plays into my theory that this was an early version of the mysterman fun event that was accidentally left in)
bro, this is the exact same thought i had too
exactly, why do ppl think it is it's actual sprite?
The only proof I need for Mystery Man to be legit is he was cool as hell in Halloween Hack 😎
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also i am still waiting for the new comic... luna release it pretty please :3
I always liked the idea that Gaster widely represents gaming creepypasta/unused game asset hunting in the early days of the internet. Some unused data COULD be or COULD NOT be Gaster, but unused data is diegetic to Toby's worlds just like how saving and loading is. So REDACTED, the stable, grandpa semi, the followers, mysteryman, and even unused areas as a whole could be considered "fragments" of Gaster because he exists in the depths of the game that nobody is supposed to see. A part of the game that sometimes leaks through in the form of FUN events.
Redacted being a cut form of "Hapstablook" actually makes a lot of sense. I imagine it was supposed to be a room that would show what they looked like before they became Mettaton, like a... "ghost" of who they once were.
This would actually kind of make sense considering the fading in and out is exactly the same as Napstablook in that room.
This makes sense but the problem is Ghosts can't die, so there wouldn't be a way for them to turn into an amalgamate (unless they became content or fused with a physical body which is a possibility
i feel like redacted is a pretty obvious early version of the mysteryman room. same general shape, both in waterfall, both have "gaster" in them. my personal theory is that redacted was removed for being way too on the nose. there would be absolutely no mystery to mysteryman if he spoke in wingdings, or spat you into the soundtest, or used the theme in the sans grillby date etc. also it being locked behind dogcheck is like, a dead giveaway that its not canon
RedactedDess is so Based
I agree, love that theory
true, makes EVERYTHING feel connected
I like the idea but its most likely Redacted was a scrapped ghost. Toby might backtrack and use it as an appearance of Dess though it could work
Idk to me RedactedDess is just a symptom of advanced Deltarune brainrot.
Like yeah, there is barely any hints towards Dess and her fate in Deltarune itself, but now people seriously think an even more obscure reference in another game somehow relates to her? Sure...
People are just grasping at straws imo.
@@tobiasbayer4866 theories are theories, even though it's probably not true, its fun to theorize about.
If your theory is correct I'm glad they weren't used, poor Blooky fam :(
I have a crazy theory, we’ve been manipulated and gaslit by big Gaster Blaster™️ into believing Gaster exists and he doesn’t actually exist
its such a weird but fulfiling feeling that even for a game 8 years old theres so many new things being discovered, btw the video is really well made :D love it
I REALLY do think that the removal of redacted (and possibly grandpa semi from the story) are what inspired toby to create gaster. It really lines up to me with how gaster's room has a similar shape to room water redacted because toby probably based the mystery man event off of the removal of the original stable from the game. It has a very similar feel to something like Mario 64 B3313 where a good chunk of is DOES have grounds in actual removed content or datamined test levels, and then turns those concepts into a playable game and story based around the idea of removed content and early test builds. It fits really well with UT's metanarrative of aspects of a video game being portrayed as parts of the world and things that have a real impact on the game. This also very much lines up with pretty much all gaster related things being added noticeably late into development, because it very likely had never been planned from the start and the concept of it came later on in development drawing inspiration from what had actually been removed from the game.
"A game should never crash on purpose"
the same game: crashes multiple times on purpose for major plot points (for HUGE example omega flowey)
Those crashes aren't real crashes.
we are talking about crashes that clearly give you an error not those clean "crashes"
@@kiekz Nope. The crashes mentioned in the comment are the intentional "crashes" that happens as a part of the story. Those are just the game shutting itself off at a time when you wouldn't think it would, creating the illusion of a crash.
@@OneOnlyDan that's what i said
In the video's context of crashes it's talking about the crashes that are not intentional by the developer(s), not to where the game just purposefully closes itself out. Crashes only really happen when there's something wrong in the game's code that causes an error and results in the game being unable to stay open. The times when it's on purpose such as in the omega Flowey scene, are perfectly normal because there's nothing wrong with the game's code to cause it to ACTUALLY stop the game from working properly.
My theorie is that redacted is just a first draft for the mystery man. I think Toby knew he wanted gaster in waterfall somewhere but didn't know where so he made the stable first but I would assume realize that that's kind of weird and did it the way that we see it in the game now with the secret door. Redacted's room still exists as just a leftover from game development perhaps
this ! exactly !
My theory is that Redacted is what's left of a very early version of a scene with Sans, because of the fact that "Premonition" is playing. I think that the original scene was supposed to be another conversation with Sans, similarly to the one that happens at Grillby's, and that Toby decided to scrap, but while deleting the code, he just decided to say "y'know what fuck it", cobbled together some semi-crypric dialogue and decided to keep it in.
We are SO back
Redacted being Napstablooks Dad is now headcanon in my mind now
Is Gaster can have 2 sons then Redacted can have family too!!!!
redacted's design actually reminds me of Sadako from The Ring
It's look kinda looks like it has hair draped over the head/face and a weird arm hunched position like Sadako is contemporarily depicted like
I mean if it was really meant to be one of Napstablook's family members, a silly reference like that would probably make sense.
Second?
Heck yes another video of the most underrated theory Channel in the world!!
Agreed. 10 views my ass, this video is gettin SEEN.
I don't think neither Mystery Man nor [Redacted] is Gaster
But I think Wing Gaster is the true Gaster
The amount of time you most likely put Into these videos shows you truly deserve to be more popular.
I personally think that Redacted is Grandpa Semi.
Isn't it true that there was a Vynil or something, that had both the [Redacted] and the MysteryMan sprites in the cover, but later on MysteryMan's was replaced by a Heart while [Redacted] was left there untouched?
The only proof I have of this is a not-so-high quality image on Google from a portuguese language source, so could someone with more experience looking for old images please help me confirm this? That'd be much appreciated!
Anyways, if that's true, then that'd point more towards MysteryMan being Gaster, because it was purposefully taken out as something that must not be seen much yet; all while leaving [Redacted] there as a quirky extra to aknowledge its existence
I believe REDACTED actually IS cannon! Or atleast officially recognized, I belive there was a piece of official art that featured all the characters, and in it was both mysteryman AND redacted! And they where both removed later on, (in typical gaster fashion.) I believe this had happened twice actually, in two different art pieces. Though I do not remember the specifics of what they were.
I don't think this counts since it's merch designed presumably by a fan and Toby already mentioned that merch isn't canon
I doubt redacted can give us any relevant information and I believe it is just an unused sprite that for some reason uses wingdings. It's also connected closer to the stable rather than anything gaster-related
They were probably removed because Redacted is an unfinished sprite and Toby always seems to not want Mystery Man or any allusion to Gaster beyond the followers to appear on merch.
Actually, only Mysteryman was removed. Redacted remained for some reason. (Same for the followers)
@rath6834 oh shit really? huh, its been a while since i thought or heard about it, very neat! wonder what thats all about.
What official art that you're referring to has redacted in it?
I think "Redacted" was the original design of Gaster, and the stable was the original concept for the Fun Event.
Toby has stated that DELTARUNE is based on a fever dream about an ending of a game which (at the time) didn't exist. There's a possibility that Gaster appeared in said dream, and that "Redacted" is a more faithful representation of how Gaster appeared in the fever dream. Over time, Gaster's appearance changed to the "Mystery Man" sprite, and becoming the mysterious yet (seemingly) goofy scientist that we've talked to on Twitter.
I mean, you can't tell me that the guy who fell into an alternate universe/his own game, built a giant energy source that has several puzzles, can re-arrange itself, and blasts a banger 24/7 is not at least _somewhat_ of a dork.
He's a scientist, he hyperfixtated on a topic he likes so hard he made it his whole job
The idea of gaster just hanging out on napstablooks farm is funny to me
I honestly think that while redacted isn't gaster now thanks to the video, i do think there is still importance to them. Toby knew that people would find this anyway, because it is explicitly redacted. I don't think the original script just said "redacted" so unless it's a joke to toby I do think he still expected people to find it.
One theory I remember hearing a long time ago was that deltarune, when completed, would un-redact the room. I don't think this will happen... but I'm holding out hope lol
I THINK GONER KID IS ACTUALLY GASTER
0:33 thought it was obvious that mettaton hired muffet
- we know mettaton hires mercenaries in the core
- she mentions mettaton "changing shape" in the shadows which could be him switching between the ex and box form
- it doesnt make sense for any other character
- we know for sure that mettaton is rich enough
Really random hypothethis:
Although I have my own speculation on who redacted is, if it was an amalgamate of a Napstablook family member and some other monster/monsters, I think maybe at least one of the other components would be a gyftrot and/or Aaron, although Gyftrot would be more likely since Aaron is already part of Lemon Bread.
The main reason for thinking that it would be part Gyftrot or Aaron is them being put in the stable.
@milessoup9246 not all amalgamates are mixed eg Kanako Ketsukane.
I don't think I've seen a single piece of gaster fanart using the REDACTED sprite, but pop off queen /lh/nsrs
This was a very big point of discussion early on after Undertale released, in the underminers reddit.
I think that Redacted is called Redacted for a reason, that being because it was completely scrapped from the game and "redacted". There's no bizarre lore connection, it's just a scrapped Gaster draft.
Theory: Gaster was LITERALLY scattered across time and space. More accurately, Undertale. He is scattered across Undertale. Thats why you hear his leitmotif so much. Thats why you can find a lot of Goner NPCs. Thats why Sans and Papyrus showed up.
i think that redacted is just an old version of mystery man
Interesting! I never thought about redacted being an amalgamate!
Great video!
redacted could be an amalgamate of a piece of gaster?
You know. Redacted really reminds me of the egg man from deltarune. When he disappeared the dialog of his presence only notes the fact that there wasnt someone here. "Well, there is a man behind tree/ well there is no man behind the tree" it was something like that, I cant remember off the top of my head.
Later the stuff with the egg in itself " what egg?" And the fact that it never leaves you. Also there is a real heated debate with the valentine's letter.
Maybe toby decided to remake this character into whatever he is doing with the egg man. Tbh good for him, he got a promotion from "redacted" to "egg man" .
Other people say it's the river person.
Not redacted, the letter.
Hmm, but just a thought.
I'm completely on board with the idea of Redacted being a scrapped amalgamate. Adding on to your ideas about it, the term "redacted" fits in with the amalgamates and their creepy, mysterious vibe. Similar to the blank names of the memoryheads or the garble of text that shows up when you try attacking some of the amalgamates.
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I think what happened is Redacted & Stable were meant to be part of a less serious (optional?) puzzle, but Toby didn't finish it, so he put it aside, naming the character redacted in the files. Maybe later he got inspired by it to make a whole new story and character, W. D. Gaster, named after the Wing Dings font the scrapped character used.
I say neither are Gaster untill toby says otherwise
Or they are both because they say "gaster was shattered across time and space"
So I dunno maybe think about it
What about the merch that came out, it was a tote bag or something similar that had sprites of every character on it, including Mystery Man AND Redacted but then either one of them or both got removed when they updated the merch. I bet Toby just plays into it to keep fucking with everyone wondering which is Gaster
What if a gaster piece is the thing redacted is merged with? Because they speak in windings so I think that explains it
"Why did Chara climb the mountain?" It is implied that Chara had a traumatizing pre-mountain childhood, and quite possibly did not intend to survive the experience of falling down a hole.
- Asriel says that Chara's reason for climbing the mountain "wasn't a happy reason".
- Chara's room has a minifridge. This is something that indicates that Chara had food hoarding tendencies, which are common in children who have gone through serious abuse or neglect.
- Chara was willing to commit a very slow and painful form of suicide. We _know_ it was slow because of the tape in the True Lab where the family was begging Chara to not die, which they would not have done if they just found Chara already dead.
- Where did Chara get that knife from? Did they bring it with them? (This evidence is less strong.)
- Finally, it is said in the prologue that there is a legend that people who climb the mountain never return. (Though it is possible the legend came into being _after_ Chara left, so this is also less strong as evidence.)
Bonus: Frisk's reasons for climbing the mountain are unlikely to have been happy either:
- Frisk's starting equipment is a bandage. The check text for it is that it has "already been used multiple times" (ew). Frisk is perfectly willing to reapply the bandage as a healing item when injured again later (double ew).
- The Abandoned Quiche has special text for dropping it: "You leave the Quiche on the ground and tell it you'll be right back."
- Even if the legend about Mt. Ebott being a mountain that nobody returns from wasn't present in Chara's time, it was _absolutely_ present by Frisk's time. Asriel even asks why Frisk would climb a mountain given those stories.
- (This is less clear; it is likely that these options exist to be funny, not to imply something as serious as this.) Even if Chara is the narrator, I believe Frisk to be the one in charge of _which_ ACTs show up in the actual battles. If so, why is it that Frisk's go-to conflict resolution strategy is flirting? _With adults?_ This is age-inappropriate behavior. Someone has to have exposed them to this kind of behavior, or if not, at _least_ nobody paid enough attention to them to keep them out of such things or explain them in an age-appropriate manner. Like... I'm not saying someone was grooming Frisk, but I'm not _not_ saying it either.
I hope this gives you something to be sad/distressed about!
"Why did Chara climb the mountain?" It is implied that Chara had a traumatizing pre-mountain childhood, and quite possibly did not intend to survive the experience of falling down a hole.
- Asriel says that Chara's reason for climbing the mountain "wasn't a happy reason".
- Chara's room has a minifridge. This is something that indicates that Chara had food hoarding tendencies, which are common in children who have gone through serious abuse or neglect.
- Chara was willing to commit a very slow and painful form of suicide. We _know_ it was slow because of the tape in the True Lab where the family was begging Chara to not die, which they would not have done if they just found Chara already dead.
- Where did Chara get that knife from? Did they bring it with them? (This evidence is less strong.)
- Finally, it is said in the prologue that there is a legend that people who climb the mountain never return. (Though it is possible the legend came into being _after_ Chara left, so this is also less strong as evidence.)
Bonus: Frisk's reasons for climbing the mountain are unlikely to have been happy either:
- Frisk's starting equipment is a bandage. The check text for it is that it has "already been used multiple times" (ew). Frisk is perfectly willing to reapply the bandage as a healing item when injured again later (double ew).
- The Abandoned Quiche has special text for dropping it: "You leave the Quiche on the ground and tell it you'll be right back."
- Even if the legend about Mt. Ebott being a mountain that nobody returns from wasn't present in Chara's time, it was _absolutely_ present by Frisk's time. Asriel even asks why Frisk would climb a mountain given those stories.
- (This is less clear; it is likely that these options exist to be funny, not to imply something as serious as this.) Even if Chara is the narrator, I believe Frisk to be the one in charge of _which_ ACTs show up in the actual battles. If so, why is it that Frisk's go-to conflict resolution strategy is flirting? Wiggling hips? This is age-inappropriate behavior. Someone has to have exposed them to this kind of behavior, or if not, at _least_ nobody paid enough attention to them to keep them out of such things or explain them in an age-appropriate manner. I'm not saying Frisk was groomed but I'm not _not_ saying it.
I hope this gives you something to be sad/disturbed about!
Imagine if redacted is just an unfinished Blooky sprite lmao
ok I do agree with your theory but is there any explaination on why does redacted appear on the UT merch annoucement or something along with gaster?
“why are you watching this random video with ten views?”
*checks view count*
13:41 Ghosts can't die silly
They have souls silly. Also you can kill Mettaton and he's a ghost
@@TheSoph_ RedactedDess better
Same thing happens with glad dummy they also die
You guys are right that they do die, but the reason they die in the first place is bc they are fully fused with their corporeal form, so Redacted is Ghost who died while inside their corporeal body just out of nowhere? Isn't it being Dess or just a unused version of the Mystery Man FUN Event more simple?
But u guys might be onto something tho, it could be Grandpa Semi! Now hear me out, we never got any actual confirmation or even indication that Grandpa Semi is related to the Skeletons, it could be that instead, he is the grandpa of the Ghosts, and that could actually be supported by how his Unsed Theme "Grandpa_Semi.ogg" contains the Motif of "Metal Crusher" aka Mettaton's Battle Theme, it seems to me that this connects Grandpa Semi to Mettaton who himself is a Ghost and since they are all cousins that means that Grandpa Semi is their Grandfather.
1:48 wouldn't that indicate that he's a follower?
Was just thinking about you the other day
We all know why chara climbed the mountain she hated humanity
nice vid, earned a sub
hmm
redacted in stable? stable like horse? horse like knight? WOWZA!!!
as a sidenote, I highly believe that redacted is actually the first iteration of the
gaster easter egg, being that he has a very similar interaction to the mystery man,
just somewhat in reverse, being that he appears as you get closer rather than disappearing
once you approach and interact
either that, or he might be the the 'original gaster', or the room he was supposed to
be encountered in, however due to his shattering this ceased to exist along with himself
(this admittedly might be a stretch)
also, hot take, what if the other two gaster is referring to in entry 13 is actually two other
pieces of himself?
WAIT
if the stable is a removed object, that implies the redacted
sprite that appears in it is a horse, right?
what chess piece uses the horse as a symbol representing it?
the knight
LOCAL BLOB PLANNING TO DESTROY THE WORLD!
lol your voice sounds like text to speech
hell yeah
It might also be a beta memoryhead before he decided to make them connected to deltarune. Makes sense since we don't see the memoryheads in the epilogue
I want to just say i adore when you are all confident and say things definetly, it feels like a nice breeze of fresh air to me when it doesnt feel like we walk on eggshells to avoid "arguments" with people
Personally i remember being on this era i headcanoned super hard back in the early days that Redacted was somehow Gaster's wife who suffered an even worse fate and was his motivation to research spacetime and such and ended up like him
But after that phase i too thought there was no way Redacted was Gaster, i felt like the dogcheck was a clear enough game statement on what is meant to be found by players and what isn't
I think Redacted is Gaster but in an early version, Because:
-Both were destined to be in Waterfall
-They speak in Windings
-The way you encounter them is similar
-The value 666 does not resemble that of Redacted, this indicates why it is a random value in the early creation stage of Gaster
Hes just a placeholder
I think the best evidence against Redacted being Gaster is the fact that his room is blocked by dog check, and on top of that, the ABC123 sound file in the code tells people not to dig through the files looking for secrets. I think meticulously combing the files for information is where Toby draws the line for secret hiding
Great vid, you're my favourite undertale/deltarune youtuber
Cool theory, but maybe [redacted] is related to MysteryMan (like a smaller sibling because they talk in lowercase and gaster speaks in uppercase) and he went into hiding because gaster fell down and thats why he became depressed, and thats why he dissapears from the player. Or when gaster fell down the core, he spread into 2 (MysteryMan and [redacted]) or 3, because in deltarune jevil and spamton went crazy because of the "knight" telling them that theyre in a game. Dunno i just thought of that while watching the vid
Redacted could actually just be Lemon Bread - it contains Shyren's sister who would probably end up around this part of Waterfall after the amalgamates were returned to their families
Hate to be that guy but, papyrus’s motif is not in sans’s theme, it shows up in “Song that might play when you fight sans” for a moment, but that song doesn’t actually play in game, all other sans themes contain no excerpts from Bonetrousle
"Why are you watching this video with *10 views* ?"
Algorithm: Are you sure about that?
theory: what if redacted is an amalgamate combined with a gaster shard?
my theory is that the gaster folowers tried to revive gaster by throwing a gaster shard into an amalgamate because they knew amalgamates are an *_amalgamation_* of various monsters but by doing that, napstablook's parent then got [redacted] out of existance, that would explain all the conections to napstablook, W.D. gaster and the amalgamates on [redacted]
Ok hear me out, gaster is actually a parallel to lord English, lord English from Homestuck apparently forces timelines to run parallel to the alpha timeline as for him to exist meaning the characters don't really have a choice, what does the voice at the beginning of deltarune (presumably gaster) say? That we don't choose our fate. coincidence? I think NOT! Now lord English also corrupted a clown and possessed a puppet right? What does gaster do...? The same thing! Now lord English is related to multiple characters which in the end of the universe come together to form him, and what does the prophecy say? That titans will appear AT THE END OF THE WORLD, now I know this is a stretch but I say in the end they come together to form Gaster, also the spamton sweepstakes have this weird thing with old technology interacting with the narrative, JUST LIKE IN HOMESTUCK! And lastly, I say the connection between Undertale and deltarune is one is pre scratch and the other post scratch.
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I have insider information that Sockmuppet will be releasing a comprehensive video, gaster will be EXPOSED!
Actually I think it'll just be a deep dive into sound files😊
maybe redacted is an amalgamate indeed and is a piece of Gaster simultaneously, who knows? If there's a lot of pieces of him lying around and Redacted speaks in wingdings, it is possible that Redacted is the amalgamation of a Napstablook relative and a piece of Gaster, or maybe Im just tripping idk
6:56 this is when my brain was like: THE KNIGHT THE KNOGHT THE KNIGHT THE KNIGHT (Y’know cuz knights have a horse in chess?)…(and the horse stable…)
Another thing to point out is that a gaster follower says he holds a piece of him. That could be his face found in his corpse (he fell into the core). Mystery man looks dead because he probably is the ghost of Gaster and the face was his original body. The colors dont matter because ghosts are white anyway
Horse stable lead to an stable, but inside there's a dummies that look like a horses, one of them is a training horse? You noticed snails everywhere, on right side you saw an market of hotel, supposed to look like a hotel, full of snails? You saw a blue snail with blue jacket and brown snail with violet outlines, it was confetti, a romantic atmosphere filling your nostrils...
You saw an old doll, sitting and sleeping on hay, there's a sign saying "Do not disturb". The skeleton looking puppet remains asleep.
Unrelated, but: when going against some hard boss, like Jevil, Ceroba, Spamton NEO, TS!Underswap sans, Martlet, or any other hard battle, in life or in games, remember to take breaks
I say this mainly because, I remember struggling to Jevil, almost beating it after trying almost the whole night, and next day winning first try, same for Spamtom NEO lol, for TS!Sans it was a shorter time gap, but still worked, breaks can really make a difference!
I believe, because of the stable's location, REDACTED was either an early Napstablook or maybe even an early plan for Mad Dummy/Mew Mew's role on the farm, since the ghosts are probably all related. Plus, kinda looks like a ghost if you squint.
A good case for Mysteryman not being Gaster is the fact that we see him at all, since Gaster at that point is completely scattered across time and space. Rather, Mysteryman is the man behind the tree in deltarune, who has many of the same properties such as disappearing and smiling. Mysteryman is related to Gaster obviously (maybe being one of the individuals spoken to by Gaster), but it feels mostly like a red herring to hoodwink us.
Also Redacted is probably a test version of Gaster we were never meant to see, which is why all of its text is redacted and speaks in Winddings, Toby just didn't really want us to see or use it as much evidence
I don’t know why we’re still questioning who this Mystery Man is.
Here people, this is a patch note from Toby fox himself in version v1.001
- Removed the "Fun" value in favor of a "fun" value, which essentially means that the value no longer needs to be modified to find W. D. Gaster and other related "fun" events.
Nice video ! 👍 Everything is telling us that the mystery man is Gaster (honestly the FUN value of 66 is enough for me), in my opinion it's obvious it's what Toby Fox wanted players to understand.
So I agree with you !
Well, except for the part when you said a lot of people don't think the mystery man is Gaster 😏 because looking at how he is always represented, I think the fandom pretty much agrees about that...
Note that there's evidence that Gaster wasn't forgotten, as one of the followers says:
"I understand why ASGORE waited so long to hire a new Royal Scientist.
The previous one... Dr. Gaster.
His brilliance was irreplaceable."
Asgore could remember that Gaster was an amazing scientist, so he expected his successor to be at least comparable.
Completely baseless theory: Redacted is December Holiday, who also fell out of time and space in a similar manner to Gaster. Since the story of Deltarune predates Undertale according to Toby Fox, I wouldn't be surprised.
Of course, such a revelation would likely be a posthumous change. "Hey this old unused thing could work for this"
0:34 Mettaton.
my theory is that [☼︎☜︎👎︎✌︎👍︎❄︎☜︎👎︎] is Dess H and Wing G corrupted wherever (non)existence most of his fragments reside in now by 'falling into his own creation' with some of his own essence
I think your argument is legitimate, however I can't help but think- if redacted is well and truly redacted and is not in the lore in any way, then why the hell did Toby leave him in the code?
We know he deletes things he genuinely doesn't want in the game in later versions (for example, the original entry 17/not the Gaster one).
I find toby very meticulous, so I think redacted was left purposely, and I have a dumb theory as to who it may be.
I'd argue there are three people "lost in code": Gaster, Dess, and Redacted- who I think is also The Eggman.
I also -based on Spooydood's most recent video- think it is him who wrote the -as people call it- "Gaster valentine card" from the latest newsletter (To badly sum the video up- the person who wrote the card is not Gaster because he doesn't speak like the person in the card, however in our only encounter with the eggman there's a line that goes "well, there is a man here", while the card opens with "well, happy new year". Also: if you drop the egg you receive the text "what egg" , whilst at the end of letter it reads "the letter was gone" - things he touches/owns disappear without a trace- just like himself. go watch the video it's really good) ANYWAY, We have this person who was also deleted from reality but unlike Gaster (who is refenced in undertale by in-game characters/goners/can literally be found in game) redacted is well and truly.. well, redacted, completely forgotten, perhaps even by himself ("i want to help! ..there was someone i wanted to help..i seem to have forgotten who..was it myself?") so it makes more sense for him to be MUCH more hidden in game.
Also if there is truly another "lost in code" character, I think he would be one of the "what do you two think?" Gaster is referring to at the end of entry 17. To me, it always made sense one of them has to be Sans (i will not elaborate. C'mon, you have to agree on this one...) I also, for example, think that in Sock Muppets's most recent theory which (to badly sum up..) he theorises Gaster is behind some of the entries in the true lab, and that entry 17 is spoken, not written (because amongst other reasons - why the hell would you write "what do you two think" in a scientific entry..). So who's the third person? It can't be Alphys (only got to the lab after Gaster was long gone) and not papyrus (c'mon, you're not seriously considering him..). My thoughts are that It has to be a character we don't yet know (but who is eggman/redacted), and if it's any deleted character that we do know by name it's uncle Sammy.
In conclusion: we need to wait for future chapters :')
Great theory, but redacted is canon. They appear on the vinyl cover. I think it was removed before publishing? I really enjoyed your almagmate section.
Ok... but why the hell is REDACTED on the cover of that music album....
I posted this on HalfBreadChaos' original Redacted video when it came out, but it's relevant here as well so I thought I'd repost it:
It's kind of hard to pin down exactly what this is. It could just be unused code which Toby tried to get rid of but accidentally made seem really creepy. My best guess is you would have entered the stable from the farm, then you would have been brought to redacted's room, which probably would have been decorated to look like a stable or something. The redacted NPC probably would have been just a minor character with some silly dialogue or an item or something. Maybe it was going to be another one of Napstablook's family members considering it has the same ghost property as Napstablook. Perhaps it was meant to be the main focus of the snail farm instead of Thundersnail. Based on the fact that the stable room isn't decorated at all, and that the stable itself uses an obvious placeholder sprite in the same style as the game's other placeholders, I'm guessing it was cut pretty early in its development. Maybe Toby didn't want to completely remove it in case it'd break something, so he just redacted it, thinking it would end up being less creepy than it ended up being. We don't really have enough clues to proceed here. I kind of doubt it really has that much significance though, and it's probably not Gaster.
I have seen this on another theory about "redacted", although I don't remember which right now, but it does make sense, in my opinion: the "redacted" sprite isn't meant to represent an "amorphous white blob being", but it's literally "redacted", and the white paint stoke is hiding what/who "redacted" is truly supposed to be.