I am a music producer, so I know a bit about digital audio and spectrograms! The eye on the spectrogram is an illusion. If you pay attention, there's a "mirror line" at the upper part of the spectrogram (10k mark) that mirrors a bit of the frequencies below. This mirroring is very probably an artifact of stretching the audio. The method you used in FL Studio for stretching didn't generate this artifact. Also, this mirroring is present all throughout the sound file, it's not unique to the "eye". I believe this "eye", unfortunately, is an accident. Note: maybe you already know this, but in FL Studio you can change the method of stretching by clicking the "Mode" dropdown on the "Time Stretching" panel. Another note: the upper side of the mirroring is more squished because Audacity's spectrogram is not linear (making it appear more like the eye). 10k+ frequencies are less important because they are less distinguishable for humans. Another one: is it just me or the "scar", when sped up, sounds a bit like a human "ugh" noise?
To address your last point, many have pointed out that the scar part sounds like Susie's laugh. Unfortunately, I can't verify that as it's not my area of expertise.
I figured it either had to be that or the filler used was a concept sketch of spr_darkeye and that’s why Sock Muppet was having trouble getting a match.
quite interesting to know it was most likely not intentinal, though if someone pointed it out before deltarune it's perfectly posible that he decided to add it as part of the cannon.
An interesting thing about the "scar" sound is that you can extract it nearly perfectly from the audio via phase cancellation. You can take the beginning part of mus_smile, invert it, and layer it with the middle section to accomplish this. I say "nearly" because there are residual compression artifacts that are present. We would get better results from this if we had a lossless version of mus_smile.
this is probably unintentional but the way the description says "Not even what I promised, but it's something" and the way youtube minimizes the description makes it say "Not even what I promised, but it's something... *more* " is just really cool to me
I'm willing to bet money that the "pained sound" is just a recording of Toby Fox going "MMMMMMMMM" slowed down. He'd put that in there just to fuck with people
When I hear the "scar" sound I really think it sounds similar to Suzie's laugh, possibly an older version of it. It lacks the echo but may have been the base
"If we were to dissect a house as we might a human cadaver, we would find ourselves able to isolate and describe its various appendages and their functions in a decidedly anatomical fashion."
Was this a Jacob Geller quote or was he quoting someone in that one video? Assuming that's what you're referring, because it's the place I've heard this.
@@wumbojet It's from Anatomy, a game by Kitty Horrorshow about a house that hates you, which WAS the subject of a Jacob Geller video, yes, but the quote, that's directly from the game itself.
Considering every sound in mus_smile contains "hurt" in the title, and most of the really important monsters SMILE during their death in the genocide run, mus_smile could be interpreted as death or pain itself being put into sound. If you really want to be morbid, perhaps this is what you hear at all times during your death or in the afterlife for these characters. Note this sound's connection to Gaster. A character who went through a horrifying, likely painful death that shattered him accross time and space. Perhaps mus_smile, if not the sound everyone hears during their death, was specifically the sound of Gaster being ripped apart by the core, screaming where his voice could not be heard, and in twisted irony, his smile, the same smile everyone wears as they die, was then used as the title for for the sounds of his demise.
I totally forgot that weird moan sound exists in mus_smile, it's honestly really unnerving. It definitely feels like a human-like voice, some kind of formant. Like a weird low pitched moan. I my first thought were the hurt sounds that omega flowey makes since they are oddly human and it would fit the whole "hurt" theme. That theme also reminded me of that unused poem-like text: Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye? The gash weaves down as if you cry. The pain itself is reason why. This always evoked the mystery man sprite in me when reading it and I do believe that it depicts gaster or at least a form of him. And that would be yet another connection between gaster and pain. There is also his direct connection to "smiles" which themselves are heavily connected to pain. With forced smiles, smiling through the pain and all that. Sans is a prime example. I'm mainly alluding to HalfBreadChaos' video about the smile theme which goes way deeper into this. It's definitely a fascinating connection. Maybe we're just seeing patterns that aren't real with some things but there are some connections there.
Just a note on the telegrams: a telegram is traditionally any message that's first sent long-distance via telegraph, then transcribed for final delivery or pickup. So presumably there's some kind of telegraph line (made of spider silk?) connecting the two spider clans, since if it was physically delivered as described then it'd be a normal letter.
Another thing Just outside toriel house, you can find the toy knife, the item is a very strange room, I always thought the ruins is this closed space, but that room show that maybe this isn't the case,there this big buildings and we can't go there, maybe that's where spiders silk go without going via toriel house, that would be a crazy worldbuilding, it would connect with that house in the bg of Snowdin very easily
@@maxuwl The Ruins were the first home/city of the monsters before they went deeper into the cave system, thats why the final area is 'new home', the first one, 'home' was the ruins
It doesn't even surprise me anymore that we're still finding secrets in undertale, from this to penumbra phantasm I've just given up assuming that toby fox didn't plan everything, he's a genius
As soon as you brought up "2015 interview" I already knew you were talking about the Scar and Toph show episode. Real ones remember how Fox's internet kept dying during the skype call.
@@Rupture_Farms_1997deltarune was Toby's first project (out of undertale and deltarune I mean) and technically existed before undertale, at least in the form of dialogue in text files and the occasional music track.
if the 'scars' are susies laugh as another comment suggested, then it ties into UT's larger 'laughter hides the pain' thematic motif. it wouldnt make sense for MTT to hire muffet- theres no showmanship in it. it might have been flowey
@@whocaresaboutthename6850 why ? gaster hasn't been shown to change shapes, he had no reason to want frisk dead, and he's literally 'scattered across time and space'. it'd makes no sense. the only thing gaster has in common with muffet's description is the smile, but chara smiles too, and chara is, at least, still very much still present in undertale, compared to gaster who's barely even present physically. it's more likely to be chara than gaster, and it would make NO sense for it to be chara either. Gaster's story is in deltarune, clearly, since he's present in every dark corner of the game, so why try to insert him everywhere in undertale ?
33:42 I don't care what anyone says, it's Flowey who asked Muffet for a human soul: 1- "Sweet smile" Flowey always makes himself look nice and cute to trick people, it's like, the thing he's known for. 2- "Changing shapes" His face can change form and size, even mimicing other's look (he can also mimic voices I feel like everybody forgets that)
I do think it's true that those lines were supposed to imply that flowey was the one who said it, but I also find it pretty believable that there was a little bait and switch there.
Yea honestly I agree with the flowey part. Mettaton would make sense given the time you fight muffet at but we know flowey already tricked Papyrus so it's for sure him
Alternatively, it may just be a meta reference to Muffet's creator who got their character featured for backing the Kickstarter. Hence Muffet saying they "offered them a lot of money"
just to point out, that a very easy to way to add high frequency information is traditional distortion/clipping, given the nature of the sound it wouldn't surprise me. it almost sounds like there could be a low level ring mod effect added in too. that could explain why the eye isn't as clear as most spectrogram images too, as there's some high frequency noise from the original sample's added harmonics vs. the overlayed sound/images Toby mixed in. Similarly, in your recreation which is far more covered by noise - it may be that you need to put on a low pass filter to filter out some of that high end. that seems like the easiest method of clearing space for the image.
The 'eye' looks exactly like a bird head to me - beak and all. I don't think it's intentional, but it's really cool. Also the scar ABSOLUTELY sounds like susie crying out to me (the sfx when she first falls onto the dark world and when she falls from the trash pile)
This provably won't be seen but hey hell: Could astigmatism be the person who tipped off muffet? Astigmatism has a sweet smile and is able to change shape. They'd have money as metaton payed them for their service and they would have areason to, both, be in the area and want the human dead. Their laugh connection may be a bit strained as I can't really find a reason for that. Astigmatism also has connections to the core, which may have been built by gaster (also strenuous but that's what I've got) Hope this does get seen and I hope it is useful. :)
Guys guys, if madjicks is an important character now, let's remember that he was supposed to have a special song just for him called "star" that was removed from the final game. Apparently it was supposed to play during battle specifically when you don't move, then madjicks' attacks turn into healing orbs and the music was supposed to play but it was removed. It might be interesting to check that out idk
So what I’ve gathered is that hurt is a common theme with mus_smile. (Hurt, hurt_girl, and hurt_laugh). It has something to do with the dark eye. It is what plays when trying to call in the darkworld. And that it is played in when playing entry 17, done by (presumably) Gaster. It also plays 666x slowed down (also a number associated with Gaster) in front of the bunker.
Oh my god i had a theory talking about muffets dialogue that mentions her getting the tip on the human not liking spiders from a strange person that changed shape in the darkness and finally i have more evidence to connect that man to gaster oh my GOD YES
Well. Despite the obvious darkness mention but. Point is i have a grudge against some ppl in the Andrew Cunningham discord for completely shutting down any meaningful discussion of this and were certain it was mtt but its not mtt because if it was, muffet would know because EVERYONE knows about mtt except maybe toriel and the ruins monsters, and why the hell would he have transformed to and from his neo form just for that its stupid im so mad about that still
Welcome back! That was a really interesting dissection of an audio file. As a person who doesn't know much about audio or computer programs, it was intriguing. Whether you were right or not, for me it was fun, so please keep doing more videos like that! ❤
The eyes being connected to Gaster isn’t too far off given their cryptic nature, but the spectrogram stuff feels like a stretch and if Muffet turns out to be some confidant of Gaster’s I will eat my socks. Makes no sense
HELLO I HAVENT FINISJED THE VIDEO BUT I JOTICED SOMETHING!!!!!! In all the characters who use the sound hurtgirl they ALL have some sort of eye imagery, muffet and her spiders, the amalgam and the astigmatism both have odd eye imagery. And it’s a stretch but madjicks orbs actually look kinda like the eyes in the audio, just that the ones in the audio are far sharper!! Specifically on the final frame when the orbs have a full Mini circle inside it could either be the eyes pupil or the second lines around the eye that I thought were eye bags. Just an interesting theory I had!!!!
If the "dark eye" image was intentional then it could have been based off an earlier version of the sprite we see in DELTARUNE, which would explain the differences in shape compared to the current version.
a big part of the video talks abt how there are frequency cutoffs, my thought is that there may be a higher quality version of the laughs that Toby had and used. the ones used in the game may have been lowered in quality from compression
I really like you're videos, there are well made and you digging into interesting stuff. Just keep making video at the rate you can with the data you're able to gather. Being wrong is entire process of researching, the more you bump into wall the closer you get to actual answers. Even if you can't get to any certitudes it's okay. For me the work is as valuable as the result. And I'll say it again, i really like the way you makes video, the editing, and everything. So I'll really stay tuned up for futures videos. Good luck :).
I'm not an expert in audio spectroscopy, but I personally think that when it comes to the theorizing/commentary side, this video is substantially better than Writing On The Wall. Still, the distortion/noise in the mus_smile is enough to add a little doubt to the "eye spectrogram" theory (as the left side is pretty distorted), but I definitely think you've made a convincing argument that it's at least plausible.
To me it looks more like a bird looking sideways to the left side of the screen with some sort of emblem around it. Possibly a hieroglyphic kind of thing? Not denying the dark eye theory, just thought it was an interesting tidbit. Plus the beak is so incredibly clear, while not being something naturally part of the dark eye.
Like some people have pointed out, I believe the scars are Susie’s laugh/surprised sound from Deltarune, or maybe an older version of it. I’m curious of it’s significance in mus_smile and why it was used specifically for Susie in Deltarune
i dont know what i was expecting when i clicked on this but i am Definitely not disappointed. the presentation is charming and really just is a prime example of just how insane the lore gets in undertale
I know it’s late, but I propose an idea, what if the “eye” isn’t the Titan Eyes, but actually the Depths? Like the literal IMAGE_DEPTHS? You can see that the “eye” has a weird inward arrow in the left corner of the “eye”, and if you look at a part of IMAGE_DEPTHS, you can see a similarly diamond shape with an inward arrow. This might mean that Entry #17 is, without a *shadow* of a doubt, about Gaster creating a world darker than dark, and falling into the Depths. In fact, that might be what the droning noise is, Gaster’s muffled pain of being shattered.
Interesting dissection. Something o keep in mind is that Toby has always talked about how Deltarune is its own thing and not supposed to be Undertale. Also, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't see the eye you were talking about. For me, it sorta looks like the Goner Maker background but I'm pretty sure it's just so big coincidence. A lot of images in spectrograms are far more obvious. Still, I haven't seen anyone else try and look at mus_smile so it was fun to see!
The eye, to me, looks like a baseball diamond. The section of a baseball field that contains the mount and 4 bases. Also I just realized that might be Dess related?
Really good video, learned stuff I didn't know. Just proves my idea that the Gaster stuff in Undertale is just a Deltarune teaser. The stuff at the last part are a bit iffy to me tho, but not like entirely doubtful. Either way, great vid!
i think the scars were added AFTER the rest of the audio was stretched, it very much sounds like a almost unaltered human groan before speeding it up. even down to it sounding kinda shaky.
Gonna be real this thumbnail doesn’t look like an undertale vid. I only clicked today because my brain happened to make the connection from smile to smile.ogg
i'll leave this here, but i think the bunker might be a closed off dark world that we are going to visit in the final chapter. After all i've seen in this video and a lot of Jaru's theories, i'm seeing things everywhere, even thinking that the angel might be ghaster or that we will meet him regardless.
I like how you always present your theories with a grain of salt and a lot of legwork to support your arguments, its always nice to see! I do think there’s something to be considered about that gap in the audio, and the seam covering it up. There does seem to be an odd shape in the left part of the eye I’m wondering about, as it does mess with the match that currently exists from Deltarune. I also feel like the scar noise we’re hearing reminds me more of the noises characters will make while talking; just a single blip of that sound. Maybe none of them matched, but could the sound be made by reversing some audio snippet? It’s something smile.ogg is already doing. As for what it could mean… in a way the audio could represent the Titan itself, if it contains the same eyes. And the slow version at the bunker may be pointing to the place where the Roaring will hit later in Deltarune, just hidden under the surface for the time being. This doesn’t really tie into the Undertale characters and the hurt sfx, I’ll admit, but I feel like saying Muffet will be pivotal to understanding Deltarune a bit silly at this point (who knows, maybe she’ll show up haha).
Very cool! Was wondering, as I havent seen anybody else talk about it, if you knew anything as to the faint beeping heard in the background of ‘Lost Girl’? Thought it could maybe be morse?
People have already said this i think but the "scar" sound sped up really does sound exactly like the Rip and Tear stock sound in RPGMaker. SPECIFICALLY it sounds almost exactly like the one used in OFF whenever you damage something. OFF which (from tobys own mouth in the undertale art book) served as a big inspiration for undertale. It absolutely would not surprise if the shitposting fuck known as Toby Fox was just fucking around with stock sounds and picked up the most frequent stock sound you hear throughout the entirety of OFF, threw it into an audio program, and noticed that it slowed down sounded like hellish moans and threw it in his creepypasta hidden track.
22:24 I remmeber hearing a soundeffect like this one before in the Spamton Sweepstakes, In the website, there was a chance you could find the 'You've won! what's behing door number one' Website. In it, if you clickes a certain door, it would take you to a chair. When you click a chair the text in the website would say 'But what if it could... get darker than dark' There was a chance spamton's eyes would jumpscare the player, and play the soundeffect that I mention.
I am a music producer, so I know a bit about digital audio and spectrograms!
The eye on the spectrogram is an illusion. If you pay attention, there's a "mirror line" at the upper part of the spectrogram (10k mark) that mirrors a bit of the frequencies below. This mirroring is very probably an artifact of stretching the audio. The method you used in FL Studio for stretching didn't generate this artifact. Also, this mirroring is present all throughout the sound file, it's not unique to the "eye". I believe this "eye", unfortunately, is an accident.
Note: maybe you already know this, but in FL Studio you can change the method of stretching by clicking the "Mode" dropdown on the "Time Stretching" panel.
Another note: the upper side of the mirroring is more squished because Audacity's spectrogram is not linear (making it appear more like the eye). 10k+ frequencies are less important because they are less distinguishable for humans.
Another one: is it just me or the "scar", when sped up, sounds a bit like a human "ugh" noise?
To address your last point, many have pointed out that the scar part sounds like Susie's laugh. Unfortunately, I can't verify that as it's not my area of expertise.
I figured it either had to be that or the filler used was a concept sketch of spr_darkeye and that’s why Sock Muppet was having trouble getting a match.
quite interesting to know it was most likely not intentinal, though if someone pointed it out before deltarune it's perfectly posible that he decided to add it as part of the cannon.
An interesting thing about the "scar" sound is that you can extract it nearly perfectly from the audio via phase cancellation. You can take the beginning part of mus_smile, invert it, and layer it with the middle section to accomplish this.
I say "nearly" because there are residual compression artifacts that are present. We would get better results from this if we had a lossless version of mus_smile.
Thanks for the pin Sock !!!
Writing on the wall is my favorite Undertale theory by far!
this is probably unintentional but the way the description says "Not even what I promised, but it's something" and the way youtube minimizes the description makes it say "Not even what I promised, but it's something... *more* " is just really cool to me
That audio clip scared the hell out of me as a kid. Hearing it be dissected and recreated is weirdly cathartic.
Same it freaked me out
What do you mean "as a kid"? Undertale came out just a few... years...... ago.........
Oh fuck it's been 9 years.
@@axeburningfire2507Yeah... Back then, 9 years ago, mus_smile freaked me out, too. I would've been 9 or 10 back then. Checks out.
@@axeburningfire2507 oh shit. hes right chat
@@axeburningfire2507 the never ending march of time comes for us all
"oh so, snd_hurtgirl is actually the gaster sound"
"oh snd_hurtgirl plays in the bunker"
"OH SND_HURTGIRL PLAYS IN THE BUNKER"
DESS
UHHH OHHHHHHH
O_O
and noelles track is Lost Girl... I wonder whats on That calender in her.. room.
OH [CHUCK]
...Dess is Gaster?
I'm willing to bet money that the "pained sound" is just a recording of Toby Fox going "MMMMMMMMM" slowed down. He'd put that in there just to fuck with people
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mmmmMMMMmmm
@@1no1. Yep, that's literally it
That does sound like it
I wonder if Toby ever imagined that anyone would look this closely at his sound effects
At what point in time? Any time before 2015 definitely not
When I hear the "scar" sound I really think it sounds similar to Suzie's laugh, possibly an older version of it. It lacks the echo but may have been the base
an ”amalgamation” of two sound files, you say? Very, very interesting.
This is either an amazing find or Undertale/Deltarune fans are desperate for Chapter 3+4
Something tells me it's both
Most likely it's both
I remember ur videos!!!
Both, it's both
"If we were to dissect a house as we might a human cadaver, we would find ourselves able to isolate and describe its various appendages and their functions in a decidedly anatomical fashion."
Now ya getting me to wanna watch the shitstorm of scaryness again
Was this a Jacob Geller quote or was he quoting someone in that one video? Assuming that's what you're referring, because it's the place I've heard this.
@@wumbojet I think it's a quote from the horror game Anatomy but I might be wrong
That is definitely anatomy, I recognize that line anywhere
@@wumbojet It's from Anatomy, a game by Kitty Horrorshow about a house that hates you, which WAS the subject of a Jacob Geller video, yes, but the quote, that's directly from the game itself.
Considering every sound in mus_smile contains "hurt" in the title, and most of the really important monsters SMILE during their death in the genocide run, mus_smile could be interpreted as death or pain itself being put into sound. If you really want to be morbid, perhaps this is what you hear at all times during your death or in the afterlife for these characters. Note this sound's connection to Gaster. A character who went through a horrifying, likely painful death that shattered him accross time and space. Perhaps mus_smile, if not the sound everyone hears during their death, was specifically the sound of Gaster being ripped apart by the core, screaming where his voice could not be heard, and in twisted irony, his smile, the same smile everyone wears as they die, was then used as the title for for the sounds of his demise.
Toby please we need the new chapters people are reaching to the point of dislocation of ligaments.
I totally forgot that weird moan sound exists in mus_smile, it's honestly really unnerving. It definitely feels like a human-like voice, some kind of formant. Like a weird low pitched moan. I my first thought were the hurt sounds that omega flowey makes since they are oddly human and it would fit the whole "hurt" theme. That theme also reminded me of that unused poem-like text:
Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye?
The gash weaves down as if you cry.
The pain itself is reason why.
This always evoked the mystery man sprite in me when reading it and I do believe that it depicts gaster or at least a form of him. And that would be yet another connection between gaster and pain. There is also his direct connection to "smiles" which themselves are heavily connected to pain. With forced smiles, smiling through the pain and all that. Sans is a prime example. I'm mainly alluding to HalfBreadChaos' video about the smile theme which goes way deeper into this. It's definitely a fascinating connection. Maybe we're just seeing patterns that aren't real with some things but there are some connections there.
This video kept reminding me of that unused poem-like text as well. All these scars, eye and pain references!
never knew of this poem, toby fox should totally write a song for linkin park he'd probably do great
Just a note on the telegrams: a telegram is traditionally any message that's first sent long-distance via telegraph, then transcribed for final delivery or pickup. So presumably there's some kind of telegraph line (made of spider silk?) connecting the two spider clans, since if it was physically delivered as described then it'd be a normal letter.
Another thing
Just outside toriel house, you can find the toy knife, the item is a very strange room, I always thought the ruins is this closed space, but that room show that maybe this isn't the case,there this big buildings and we can't go there, maybe that's where spiders silk go without going via toriel house, that would be a crazy worldbuilding, it would connect with that house in the bg of Snowdin very easily
@@maxuwl The Ruins were the first home/city of the monsters before they went deeper into the cave system, thats why the final area is 'new home', the first one, 'home' was the ruins
It doesn't even surprise me anymore that we're still finding secrets in undertale, from this to penumbra phantasm I've just given up assuming that toby fox didn't plan everything, he's a genius
The Foundation is pleased with your research.
Someone get this on the wiki
I am glad that I wasn't the only one to feel like this seems like a TheVulgun video. I almost forgot this isn't Dr Miller half way through
That sped-up scar sounds uncannily like the sound of an Enderman in Minecraft taking damage
This thumbnail is so intriguing! Your last video pretty much reshaped how I think about gaster so I'm so ready for whatever this is
same here, just like with your knight theory. This guy cooks
Yeah but that video was super wrong lmao
@@luizzeroxis Yeah, it genuenly was.
It would be so epic if there was a collab..
@@luizzeroxis how so? I remember thinking it was air tight
the SCP esque presentation works so well at creeping me out!
Right when he started going into the bit I was 100% expecting a Vulgun intro
As soon as you brought up "2015 interview" I already knew you were talking about the Scar and Toph show episode. Real ones remember how Fox's internet kept dying during the skype call.
the scars are susies laugh
i heard that too
That's exactly what I was thinking
It would fit with it playing at the same time as the eye
Could have deeper connections
It sounds more like her gasp during the falling cutscene in chapter 1. Not sure if they’re the same audio file but played at different speeds though
So this means this sound existed before Deltarune
@@Rupture_Farms_1997deltarune was Toby's first project (out of undertale and deltarune I mean) and technically existed before undertale, at least in the form of dialogue in text files and the occasional music track.
if the 'scars' are susies laugh as another comment suggested, then it ties into UT's larger 'laughter hides the pain' thematic motif.
it wouldnt make sense for MTT to hire muffet- theres no showmanship in it. it might have been flowey
I think Gaster did it
It could've been Gaster.
@@whocaresaboutthename6850 why ? gaster hasn't been shown to change shapes, he had no reason to want frisk dead, and he's literally 'scattered across time and space'.
it'd makes no sense. the only thing gaster has in common with muffet's description is the smile, but chara smiles too, and chara is, at least, still very much still present in undertale, compared to gaster who's barely even present physically.
it's more likely to be chara than gaster, and it would make NO sense for it to be chara either.
Gaster's story is in deltarune, clearly, since he's present in every dark corner of the game, so why try to insert him everywhere in undertale ?
Think it's more likely her grunt from when she gets hurt or surprised.
¨Time to wake up and smell the pain.¨
33:42
I don't care what anyone says, it's Flowey who asked Muffet for a human soul:
1- "Sweet smile" Flowey always makes himself look nice and cute to trick people, it's like, the thing he's known for.
2- "Changing shapes" His face can change form and size, even mimicing other's look (he can also mimic voices I feel like everybody forgets that)
I do think it's true that those lines were supposed to imply that flowey was the one who said it, but I also find it pretty believable that there was a little bait and switch there.
Yea honestly I agree with the flowey part. Mettaton would make sense given the time you fight muffet at but we know flowey already tricked Papyrus so it's for sure him
Alternatively, it may just be a meta reference to Muffet's creator who got their character featured for backing the Kickstarter. Hence Muffet saying they "offered them a lot of money"
Toby confirmed it was Mettaton
@@E3ws3wd3ews source
just to point out, that a very easy to way to add high frequency information is traditional distortion/clipping, given the nature of the sound it wouldn't surprise me. it almost sounds like there could be a low level ring mod effect added in too. that could explain why the eye isn't as clear as most spectrogram images too, as there's some high frequency noise from the original sample's added harmonics vs. the overlayed sound/images Toby mixed in.
Similarly, in your recreation which is far more covered by noise - it may be that you need to put on a low pass filter to filter out some of that high end. that seems like the easiest method of clearing space for the image.
This is truly blessed, Sock Muppet returned after 6 months!
The 'eye' looks exactly like a bird head to me - beak and all. I don't think it's intentional, but it's really cool. Also the scar ABSOLUTELY sounds like susie crying out to me (the sfx when she first falls onto the dark world and when she falls from the trash pile)
Honestly i think the spiders are just small enough they can squeeze into and out of the ruins
Yeah but the cold would kill then as stated by Muffet
The "scars" portion is most likely Toby's voice. I doubt it's some other sfx
Toby Fox is a genius
My favorite Deltarune/Undertale rambler, the king has returned!!
21:35 actually that's the colloquially known man, Purple Guy from Five Nights at Freddy's 2.
Excellent video. Really enjoyed it, and enjoyed your methodology of trying to recreate something with the evidence you found
This provably won't be seen but hey hell:
Could astigmatism be the person who tipped off muffet?
Astigmatism has a sweet smile and is able to change shape.
They'd have money as metaton payed them for their service and they would have areason to, both, be in the area and want the human dead.
Their laugh connection may be a bit strained as I can't really find a reason for that.
Astigmatism also has connections to the core, which may have been built by gaster (also strenuous but that's what I've got)
Hope this does get seen and I hope it is useful.
:)
Guys guys, if madjicks is an important character now, let's remember that he was supposed to have a special song just for him called "star" that was removed from the final game.
Apparently it was supposed to play during battle specifically when you don't move, then madjicks' attacks turn into healing orbs and the music was supposed to play but it was removed.
It might be interesting to check that out idk
So what I’ve gathered is that hurt is a common theme with mus_smile. (Hurt, hurt_girl, and hurt_laugh). It has something to do with the dark eye. It is what plays when trying to call in the darkworld. And that it is played in when playing entry 17, done by (presumably) Gaster. It also plays 666x slowed down (also a number associated with Gaster) in front of the bunker.
Oh my god i had a theory talking about muffets dialogue that mentions her getting the tip on the human not liking spiders from a strange person that changed shape in the darkness and finally i have more evidence to connect that man to gaster oh my GOD YES
Well. Despite the obvious darkness mention but. Point is i have a grudge against some ppl in the Andrew Cunningham discord for completely shutting down any meaningful discussion of this and were certain it was mtt but its not mtt because if it was, muffet would know because EVERYONE knows about mtt except maybe toriel and the ruins monsters, and why the hell would he have transformed to and from his neo form just for that its stupid im so mad about that still
PLEASE make a theory video on the new psychological horror game Tsunagari chess school, it has many mysteries like deltarune its insane really
That damn sound caused me so many sleepless nights as a kid
Welcome back! That was a really interesting dissection of an audio file. As a person who doesn't know much about audio or computer programs, it was intriguing. Whether you were right or not, for me it was fun, so please keep doing more videos like that! ❤
The eyes being connected to Gaster isn’t too far off given their cryptic nature, but the spectrogram stuff feels like a stretch and if Muffet turns out to be some confidant of Gaster’s I will eat my socks. Makes no sense
HELLO I HAVENT FINISJED THE VIDEO BUT I JOTICED SOMETHING!!!!!!
In all the characters who use the sound hurtgirl they ALL have some sort of eye imagery, muffet and her spiders, the amalgam and the astigmatism both have odd eye imagery. And it’s a stretch but madjicks orbs actually look kinda like the eyes in the audio, just that the ones in the audio are far sharper!! Specifically on the final frame when the orbs have a full
Mini circle inside it could either be the eyes pupil or the second lines around the eye that I thought were eye bags. Just an interesting theory I had!!!!
you really need more subs man, I've watched you since petscop.
If the "dark eye" image was intentional then it could have been based off an earlier version of the sprite we see in DELTARUNE, which would explain the differences in shape compared to the current version.
1:40 there is no luck involved, mus_smile nor room_gaster are in a FUN event
Doesn't that mean that luck is involved? Since fun events are random, you'd have to be lucky to get a specific fun event
@@lartts7483 nor is a negative, that means neither of these events require FUN values
The scars sped up sounds like one of the stock RPG maker sound effects ua-cam.com/video/TTMwP9W7dJE/v-deo.htmlsi=iuD2vAaJhs9jncru
a big part of the video talks abt how there are frequency cutoffs, my thought is that there may be a higher quality version of the laughs that Toby had and used. the ones used in the game may have been lowered in quality from compression
Your videos are so interesting that you completely counter my ADHD and make it very hard to not watch the video all at once.
This feels like if an SCP channel tried to make a Captain Disillusion video.
I really like you're videos, there are well made and you digging into interesting stuff.
Just keep making video at the rate you can with the data you're able to gather. Being wrong is entire process of researching, the more you bump into wall the closer you get to actual answers.
Even if you can't get to any certitudes it's okay. For me the work is as valuable as the result.
And I'll say it again, i really like the way you makes video, the editing, and everything. So I'll really stay tuned up for futures videos.
Good luck :).
Great to have you back.
I'm not an expert in audio spectroscopy, but I personally think that when it comes to the theorizing/commentary side, this video is substantially better than Writing On The Wall.
Still, the distortion/noise in the mus_smile is enough to add a little doubt to the "eye spectrogram" theory (as the left side is pretty distorted), but I definitely think you've made a convincing argument that it's at least plausible.
To me it looks more like a bird looking sideways to the left side of the screen with some sort of emblem around it. Possibly a hieroglyphic kind of thing? Not denying the dark eye theory, just thought it was an interesting tidbit. Plus the beak is so incredibly clear, while not being something naturally part of the dark eye.
I think it looks like a baseball diamond personally
Like some people have pointed out, I believe the scars are Susie’s laugh/surprised sound from Deltarune, or maybe an older version of it. I’m curious of it’s significance in mus_smile and why it was used specifically for Susie in Deltarune
i dont know what i was expecting when i clicked on this but i am Definitely not disappointed. the presentation is charming and really just is a prime example of just how insane the lore gets in undertale
A note I don't think you would've considered, "smiling in the face of bad situations" is a very common theme in undertale.
scar and Toph show jumpscare! How plesant
“I can’t wait for some psychological evaluation stuff”
“Is this an undertale video?”
“No surely not”
“IT IS LETS GO”
the sped up "Scar" sound kinda sounds like a portion of Susie's laugh to me, tbh
i love your style; it feels so established and characterised!
i swear that “scar” sound sounds exactly like the taking damage sound in OFF
like. Dedan’s hurt sound or the ghosts?
you're so right actually
The eye looks like sideways gaster, and the little columns look like repeating gasters
This channel is so freaking underrated
I know it’s late, but I propose an idea, what if the “eye” isn’t the Titan Eyes, but actually the Depths? Like the literal IMAGE_DEPTHS?
You can see that the “eye” has a weird inward arrow in the left corner of the “eye”, and if you look at a part of IMAGE_DEPTHS, you can see a similarly diamond shape with an inward arrow.
This might mean that Entry #17 is, without a *shadow* of a doubt, about Gaster creating a world darker than dark, and falling into the Depths. In fact, that might be what the droning noise is, Gaster’s muffled pain of being shattered.
you somehow manage to make it so that I never expect that weird squelchy sound effect that your character makes when it moves
Hell yeah! I just re-watched your Writing on the wall video! And I didn't evan knew you JUST made a new episode!
much enjoyed the Another Medium joke
you can use REAPER spectral edit mode to more easily edit spectrogram stuff. ISSE might be helpful as well.
9:18 is like definitely a cat meowing right? we all hear it?
Oh my god one of my favorite channels on youtube just uploaded... truly a monumental day
Interesting dissection. Something o keep in mind is that Toby has always talked about how Deltarune is its own thing and not supposed to be Undertale. Also, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't see the eye you were talking about. For me, it sorta looks like the Goner Maker background but I'm pretty sure it's just so big coincidence. A lot of images in spectrograms are far more obvious. Still, I haven't seen anyone else try and look at mus_smile so it was fun to see!
The eye, to me, looks like a baseball diamond. The section of a baseball field that contains the mount and 4 bases.
Also I just realized that might be Dess related?
imagine the scar audio is the damage sound from OFF (which toby was inspired by)
AAAA idk how I’m a month late, but very excited for this video.
I love ur videos a lot!! Keep being u!
Really good video, learned stuff I didn't know. Just proves my idea that the Gaster stuff in Undertale is just a Deltarune teaser. The stuff at the last part are a bit iffy to me tho, but not like entirely doubtful. Either way, great vid!
Either this is hidden importance and insane pre-planning from toby or an absolute nothingburger.
i think the scars were added AFTER the rest of the audio was stretched, it very much sounds like a almost unaltered human groan before speeding it up. even down to it sounding kinda shaky.
The snd_hurtgirl sound is from sgm soundfont from the patch called sfx
Gonna be real this thumbnail doesn’t look like an undertale vid. I only clicked today because my brain happened to make the connection from smile to smile.ogg
for the "scars" i know that this was created afterwards for deltarune, but when sped up to the "normal" version it sounds like Susie's dialogue sound
the scar sounds like an endermen
i'll leave this here, but i think the bunker might be a closed off dark world that we are going to visit in the final chapter. After all i've seen in this video and a lot of Jaru's theories, i'm seeing things everywhere, even thinking that the angel might be ghaster or that we will meet him regardless.
I like how you always present your theories with a grain of salt and a lot of legwork to support your arguments, its always nice to see!
I do think there’s something to be considered about that gap in the audio, and the seam covering it up. There does seem to be an odd shape in the left part of the eye I’m wondering about, as it does mess with the match that currently exists from Deltarune. I also feel like the scar noise we’re hearing reminds me more of the noises characters will make while talking; just a single blip of that sound. Maybe none of them matched, but could the sound be made by reversing some audio snippet? It’s something smile.ogg is already doing.
As for what it could mean… in a way the audio could represent the Titan itself, if it contains the same eyes. And the slow version at the bunker may be pointing to the place where the Roaring will hit later in Deltarune, just hidden under the surface for the time being. This doesn’t really tie into the Undertale characters and the hurt sfx, I’ll admit, but I feel like saying Muffet will be pivotal to understanding Deltarune a bit silly at this point (who knows, maybe she’ll show up haha).
A fantastic coincidence this is. Just find this channel yesterday, I did, and suddenly, upload, Sock does!
the scar sounds like the word zero
THAT INTERVIEW WAS REAL I KNEW IT, I WASN'T DELIRIOUS
Very cool! Was wondering, as I havent seen anybody else talk about it, if you knew anything as to the faint beeping heard in the background of ‘Lost Girl’? Thought it could maybe be morse?
More like a buzzing vs a beeping, but still 😅
Sock Muppet my beloved❤
to me the scar sounded like it's saying "fear"
glad i clicked on this video, i didnt even know it had to do with Undertale and Deltarune
The monster who paid Muffet to kill Frisk was Flowey, he has an deceptively sweet smile and can change the shape of his face.
That makes no sense, seeing as flower’s whole plan revolves around Frisk reaching Asgore as to distract him long enough to get the 6 other souls
Pretty sure it was mettaton
Sounds like the Susie hurt sound
absolutely insane theory. i love it
Here before this blows up. Very cool video
The sound used to fill the gap honestly just sounds like Susie to me...
Super cool video!
Your style of writing theories is just so unique and attention-grabbing, I can't get enough of it :D
People have already said this i think but the "scar" sound sped up really does sound exactly like the Rip and Tear stock sound in RPGMaker. SPECIFICALLY it sounds almost exactly like the one used in OFF whenever you damage something. OFF which (from tobys own mouth in the undertale art book) served as a big inspiration for undertale. It absolutely would not surprise if the shitposting fuck known as Toby Fox was just fucking around with stock sounds and picked up the most frequent stock sound you hear throughout the entirety of OFF, threw it into an audio program, and noticed that it slowed down sounded like hellish moans and threw it in his creepypasta hidden track.
22:24 I remmeber hearing a soundeffect like this one before in the Spamton Sweepstakes,
In the website, there was a chance you could find the 'You've won! what's behing door number one' Website. In it, if you clickes a certain door, it would take you to a chair.
When you click a chair the text in the website would say 'But what if it could... get darker than dark'
There was a chance spamton's eyes would jumpscare the player, and play the soundeffect that I mention.
I can see into the future, good video. Best regards.
WHY WASNT I RECOMMENDED THIS WTFFFFF
and also man i miss petscop :(
The “moan” sound reminds me of the (or one of?) the hurt sounds from “off” (mortis ghost)
Thank you for the awesome video! Certainly a cool find.
How did i never hear the whale