16:50 no Lambert those are Yazidi kurds, the blue stripes you thought were tengris are Zoroastrian, Tengri is more of a lighter blue(it's only in Gurgan and the caucasus)...yeah they gotta do some colouring
Honestly I hope the Saffavids will get something similar to the rise of Timur, but obviously less drastic, or at least that they'll be a guaranteed dynasty when releasing Ardabil, considering how important they were for Persian history (and also, because Ardabil into Persia was quite fun in EU4)
The IO system is what I’m most excited for modders were so limited by having one hard coded HRE one hard coded empire of China. Only seen Anbennar and this mod called Imperium Auroe mod in their own separate multi tag systems. In Auroe the HRE mechanic is mostly in the Middle East so the German tags get a separate high king of Germany system.
One thing I assume about the Ilkhanate IO is that only a few nations will actually be able to restore it (Gurgan being a pretender trying to take over themselves), while most nations will have the goal of finally destroying it. I also doubt it’ll be one that lasts the entire game, especially with Timur’s invasion in the coming decades almost certain to shatter it
This is also making me think of how Japan will be worked. Maybe you can decide whether to restore the emperor or stay as a shogun and have Japan be an international organization. Though I also wonder if they will have the Shinto events cause I would like to convert to Catholic like in eu4 xP
I’m thinking that Japan will be an IO where the Daimyo are building based tags under vassalage with the Shogun, and since you can have smaller IOs inside of IOs some kind of northern and southern imperial court mechanic. In real life the northern court in Kyoto one out under the power of the shogunate, but maybe in the game you can play as the Southern Court and restore imperial power
Loved looking at the Gurgen population map and missing the 80k sandwiched between the two ~50k's. The rate of areas covered in increasing! We have now done all of Europe, Africa, Asia Minor and Persia and doing all of India in one is a lot. At this pace, we might even finish Tinto Maps before Christmas.
lake erie is for navigatinal perposes cut off from the other great lakes and big sea going ships can not go beyong hochelaga/ montreal because of the lachine rapids i know yhis because i live in montreal.
something about there being a unified iraqi culture seems super wrong to me. Even today "iraqi" culture is extremely divided on religious and cultural grounds. In the 1300's it would be even more divided. Same with the afghan culture. really should be divided between Pashtuns, Tajiks ect.
@@piotrgrzelak2613 to be fair though if you were to make that region 100% historically accurate it would probably be unplayable for anyone but the best players lol
It's not like that at all. Afghan culture represents Pashtun only, as the term Afghan was the historical name for the Pashtuns. You see separate Tajik, Hazara and Baloch cultures alongside some smaller ones. Iraqi culture represents Mesopotamian Arabs only. Assyrian (Syriac), Kurdish, and Mandaen are distinct cultures, don't worry. I even asked an Iraqi guy on the forum if he thought it'd make sense to divide Iraqi culture in two and he said no. The religious diversity is obviously there. And yes Iraqi is a distinct dialect/set of dialects of Arabic, Iraq is actually a natural region.
@@connormurphy683 yes the flood plain in iraq is regarded as a natural region, but demographically no one culture, since the arrival of the Mongols, ever totally dominated. in regards to the Pashtuns, ik today the Pashtuns overlap between the borders of modern day Afghanistan and Pakistan was that true back then?
@@ELYELYELroy yes, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border is just a line the British drew, not really a historical border. Look up the Durrand Line for more info. But yeah Pashtuns existed in Pakistan back then as well. I believe they were less widespread in Afghanistan than present day though.
I don't understand what you guys want for Iraq. It's already split between Arabs, Kurds and Aramaic-speakers as well as Sunni, Shia, Christian, Yazidi, Mandaeans and it's looking fairly historically accurate imo. Do you want to subdivide the Iraqi Arab culture?
Zoroastrianism was the main religion of Iran for thousands of years, they couldn't be reduced to a tiny minority in only 200 years lol. Whereas tengri people were nomadic and very insignificant in number
The Zoroastrians took an incredible hit with the fall of the Sassanians as they were quite literally holding up the religion after Kartirs reforms. With out the central authority of the Sassanian church and it’s subsidies the religion fell into drastic decline. So while not a tiny minority they really struggled from the fall of the Sassanians onwards. I recommend checking out how the faith functioned under Kartir and the Sassanians in general to learn more about why the suffered so much without the Empire.
The colors are quite washed out, yes. But I could see it working, by having them switch to more lively colors if they achieve certain goals. Have the devastation to the region be shown by having the very map look lifeless, get what I mean? Though that would be hard to pull off.
hm. There's a Buddhist minority in the northern Caucasus since like Mongol times iirc. Not seeing them? But maybe they're third in size for the few locations they'd exist in?
10:23 well mesoptimia used to have much bigger population before the mongol invasion, bagdhad it's self loet 200,000 according to mongols but to muslims sources it ranged from 800,000 to 2 million, Baghdad was ruined city until it started to somewhat flourish again under the jalayirds
21:28 bro they give shiraz ( largest city in south of iran) 2.5 k population and Isfahan capital of saljuq 20k pp Wtf? In all time mazandaran (bavandid)have bigger or similar pp to gilan (left to the baduspanid)
disappointed they are doing all of india in one go. its a huge place, with tonnes of cultural variety, all just shoved into one slot. hope they arent stingy with the location density.
@@Mattis06 yes if someone says "x did this bad thing" and someone else replies "oh but y also did it" its pretty usual for it to be interpretated as a defense of x a pretty bad defense, its whataboutism
The Blue stripes aren’t Tengri, they’re the Zoroastrians. Also, those purple stripes are Yazidis
OMG you're back!!!
16:50 no Lambert those are Yazidi kurds, the blue stripes you thought were tengris are Zoroastrian, Tengri is more of a lighter blue(it's only in Gurgan and the caucasus)...yeah they gotta do some colouring
Interesting okay
typical lambert L
I'm lucky my Ls are so tame and unoffensive.
Honestly I hope the Saffavids will get something similar to the rise of Timur, but obviously less drastic, or at least that they'll be a guaranteed dynasty when releasing Ardabil, considering how important they were for Persian history (and also, because Ardabil into Persia was quite fun in EU4)
I think the colors of all the maps are the only things I've had big issues with. I guess map mods will be a top priority like in EU4 for me.
yup the colors are quite bad right now
I hope they make the colors more vibrant and not as oily
Map needs more vibrance. Not just Persia, but in general in my opinion.
As a Georgian I'm so glad Caucasus is getting the flavor we needed in eu4
The IO system is what I’m most excited for modders were so limited by having one hard coded HRE one hard coded empire of China. Only seen Anbennar and this mod called Imperium Auroe mod in their own separate multi tag systems. In Auroe the HRE mechanic is mostly in the Middle East so the German tags get a separate high king of Germany system.
One thing I assume about the Ilkhanate IO is that only a few nations will actually be able to restore it (Gurgan being a pretender trying to take over themselves), while most nations will have the goal of finally destroying it.
I also doubt it’ll be one that lasts the entire game, especially with Timur’s invasion in the coming decades almost certain to shatter it
This is also making me think of how Japan will be worked. Maybe you can decide whether to restore the emperor or stay as a shogun and have Japan be an international organization. Though I also wonder if they will have the Shinto events cause I would like to convert to Catholic like in eu4 xP
I’m thinking that Japan will be an IO where the Daimyo are building based tags under vassalage with the Shogun, and since you can have smaller IOs inside of IOs some kind of northern and southern imperial court mechanic. In real life the northern court in Kyoto one out under the power of the shogunate, but maybe in the game you can play as the Southern Court and restore imperial power
Loved looking at the Gurgen population map and missing the 80k sandwiched between the two ~50k's.
The rate of areas covered in increasing! We have now done all of Europe, Africa, Asia Minor and Persia and doing all of India in one is a lot. At this pace, we might even finish Tinto Maps before Christmas.
They mentioned that after tinto maps, they'll have other content for Fridays to follow.
About the colours I feel that the Chobanids and the wastelands were too close of a colour
I agree
And the Injuids are way too similar to Jalayirids for a country that isn't their vassal.
lake erie is for navigatinal perposes cut off from the other great lakes and big sea going ships can not go beyong hochelaga/ montreal because of the lachine rapids i know yhis because i live in montreal.
The individual tiles in the North American great lakes are much easier to pick out in the sea lanes image.
16:53 A little surprising there are no significant buddhist pops seeing as the Ilkhanate was Buddhist for a fair bit of its existence
The dev diary we all waited for 😁
4:40 that's because Pavia forgor to put them in😃
something about there being a unified iraqi culture seems super wrong to me. Even today "iraqi" culture is extremely divided on religious and cultural grounds. In the 1300's it would be even more divided. Same with the afghan culture. really should be divided between Pashtuns, Tajiks ect.
@@piotrgrzelak2613 to be fair though if you were to make that region 100% historically accurate it would probably be unplayable for anyone but the best players lol
It's not like that at all.
Afghan culture represents Pashtun only, as the term Afghan was the historical name for the Pashtuns. You see separate Tajik, Hazara and Baloch cultures alongside some smaller ones.
Iraqi culture represents Mesopotamian Arabs only. Assyrian (Syriac), Kurdish, and Mandaen are distinct cultures, don't worry. I even asked an Iraqi guy on the forum if he thought it'd make sense to divide Iraqi culture in two and he said no. The religious diversity is obviously there. And yes Iraqi is a distinct dialect/set of dialects of Arabic, Iraq is actually a natural region.
@@connormurphy683 yes the flood plain in iraq is regarded as a natural region, but demographically no one culture, since the arrival of the Mongols, ever totally dominated. in regards to the Pashtuns, ik today the Pashtuns overlap between the borders of modern day Afghanistan and Pakistan was that true back then?
@@ELYELYELroy yes, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border is just a line the British drew, not really a historical border. Look up the Durrand Line for more info. But yeah Pashtuns existed in Pakistan back then as well. I believe they were less widespread in Afghanistan than present day though.
I don't understand what you guys want for Iraq. It's already split between Arabs, Kurds and Aramaic-speakers as well as Sunni, Shia, Christian, Yazidi, Mandaeans and it's looking fairly historically accurate imo. Do you want to subdivide the Iraqi Arab culture?
Y it’s always Ilkhanate and never a Goodkhanate((?
Ill-khanate vs Healthy-Khanate
Zoroastrianism was the main religion of Iran for thousands of years, they couldn't be reduced to a tiny minority in only 200 years lol. Whereas tengri people were nomadic and very insignificant in number
The Zoroastrians took an incredible hit with the fall of the Sassanians as they were quite literally holding up the religion after Kartirs reforms. With out the central authority of the Sassanian church and it’s subsidies the religion fell into drastic decline. So while not a tiny minority they really struggled from the fall of the Sassanians onwards. I recommend checking out how the faith functioned under Kartir and the Sassanians in general to learn more about why the suffered so much without the Empire.
Finally, man I thought you died!
It’s been 4 days man
Well, it should have been 3
Don't jinx him mate!
The world is becoming ever crazier
He was captured by the Horde and could not pay the ransom
Day late, Dollar short
No, I won't share my opinion on the colour(s) of the nations... oh, wait a moment.
The colors are quite washed out, yes. But I could see it working, by having them switch to more lively colors if they achieve certain goals. Have the devastation to the region be shown by having the very map look lifeless, get what I mean? Though that would be hard to pull off.
Nice video dude!
hm. There's a Buddhist minority in the northern Caucasus since like Mongol times iirc. Not seeing them? But maybe they're third in size for the few locations they'd exist in?
10:23 well mesoptimia used to have much bigger population before the mongol invasion, bagdhad it's self loet 200,000 according to mongols but to muslims sources it ranged from 800,000 to 2 million, Baghdad was ruined city until it started to somewhat flourish again under the jalayirds
International organizations are so cool
It seems like they’re trying replicate they slight blue color scheme for the region they’ve gone for in ck3
11:05 did u mean the aral sea??
I did, yes. My bad D:
Wow
I'm about 80% sure that you're trying to troll us with "they didn't mention it, but the blue must be tengri but where is zoroastrianism?" :'D
You have a problem with colours I think, those are Zoroastrians, not tengris lol.
21:28 bro they give shiraz ( largest city in south of iran) 2.5 k population and Isfahan capital of saljuq 20k pp
Wtf? In all time mazandaran (bavandid)have bigger or similar pp to gilan (left to the baduspanid)
5 minutes worth of text 25 minutes of yapping thank you Lambert
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disappointed they are doing all of india in one go. its a huge place, with tonnes of cultural variety, all just shoved into one slot. hope they arent stingy with the location density.
Did you see how much of Africa they did in one go. India is tiny compared to that map.
@@Mattis06 youre justifying one bad deed with another.
also the south african map has less countries and [i think cultures] than india.
@@red_roy did I justify it?
@@Mattis06 yes
if someone says "x did this bad thing"
and someone else replies "oh but y also did it"
its pretty usual for it to be interpretated as a defense of x
a pretty bad defense, its whataboutism
An Indian crying in yet another video
Yeah I agree, the locations in Iraq are pretty rubbish. Basra, lol.