@@clearshade3560 McCoy glancing at the jury almost as if to say "you see this dipshit?" is also absolutely class. The Judge was merely observing a formality to see the idiot finish.
There was a Law & Order episode where a woman threw a bomb into an abortion clinic, which killed a pregnant woman. She claimed she was trying to save a baby from being killed. But when the procecutor reminded her the unborn baby too died in the blast, she was speechless
Don't you mean "Law & Order SVU"? And it didn't happen in there. It happened in this series. Season 1, episode...10 I think. If the SVU has an episode of an abortion clinic, then I may have to find it.
This argument just occurred to me. "You testified that when you went to Vietnam, you would have shot someone to defend others. You also testified that you killed Dr. Reed to prevent death. So...why didn't you?"
@@matthewforsyth284 That's not the point. The point is that he testified that he would have shot to defend others. Well, if this is about defending others...why didn't *he* shoot? It's basically another way to frame "You don't really believe you're defending life by doing this."
I loved how the defendant was so backed into a corner that he kept trying to dodged answering it. Tried using God as a defense, and even tried to get the judge on his side by claiming McCoy was badgering him. He knew that once he’d answer the question he would be a hypocrite and have absolutely no defense.
I don't know who said it, I've seen it attributed to everyone including Abraham Lincoln, who was an attorney before he was President, but the saying goes, "He who represents himself has a fool for a client."
@@feverspell I found the earliest mention in “Humane Prudence, or, The Art by which a Man May Raise Himself and Fortune to Grandeur” by William De Britaine, published in 1682. "Before you act, it’s Prudence soberly to consider; for after Action you cannot recede without dishonour: Take the Advice of some Prudent Friend; for he who will be his own Counsellour, shall be sure to have a Fool for his Client."
@@KasbashPlays She took the stand against the advice of her attorney. Almost the same thing, both characters tried to use the stand as a pulpit, which is never a good idea because it pisses off the judge.
I don't care what religion you have. Using God as a scapegoat for a reason to harm people is low. I don't completely agree with abortion, but I would never harm a doctor or abortion worker. Being a Christian and believing in God doesn't and should never allow an individual to act like God. If you use authority to corrupt others into doing ungodly things then you're just a coward.
Which is why I chose atheism. I’d rather keep my hands clean from a crusade that most certainly could have terrible justifications, than swing a sword blindly following the will of a being that can’t do it himself.
Mr Chrysler - From the time of Constantine using “Christianity” as an expedient tool to unite his empire what you have is not Christianity but rather Christendom. Those who would at some point in the future claim, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?” There is a real warning in Jesus’ reply, “And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’”
Mr Chrysler I think it means their friend went from believing in the existence of many gods to believing in just one. They're getting closer to the real number.
This episode always reminds me of the season 1 episode when Stone prosecutes a women who bombed an abortion clinic because she believes abortion is a sin and she says she is not guilty "in gods eyes" but her logic is almost the same as this defendant. She was trying to do an act of God by trying to stop the abortions, but..ugh you gotta watch it yourself. Season 1 episode 12!
@Bobbie Charles That he did. They may have had different styles but in the end, the two of them know how to exploit the flaws in the testimony of hostile witnesses.
I recall a conversation I had with a prosecutor who studied theology and he said the commandment is thou shalt not murder. We commonly translate that to thou shalt not kill.
There are a few other things in the Bible, especially where Christians are concerned. "Turn the other cheek", for example, as committing violence is so antithesis to the Christian faith that when another does you actual harm, you still are not supposed to strike back (and yes, I'm also aware that when asking "What would Jesus do", flipping tables and whipping people is not out of the question). Also, "Judgement is reserved for God alone." These are paraphrased, but it's the gist of the verses.
Gatsby is my fave book/movie and it kicked off my fascination with Sam Waterston. He will always be the only Nick Caraway for me. I’m glad to hear he was a good guy. I hate when my idols turn out to be jerks.
Actors who are close friends often make very good on-screen opponents in movies and television. The same was true with Richard Widmark and Sidney Portier, who were antagonists in all the movies they appeared in together but were very close in real life.
@@dragonturtle2566 Also Ephesians 6:5 was figuratively saying to respect and obey the responsibilities given to you by your worldly boss (if you have a job.)
Actually plenty of them do help. Many people donate time, money, and resources. I know many people that take in children from unplanned pregnancies and other situations. However you seem more at peace with trying to shut down these organizations that help because they don't agree with you.
@@barefootedgypsy93 the kkk does charity work too. An organisation like the church doing some good things doesn't erase all of the terrible things they do
Kincaid: “Eileen Reed died fighting for woman’s rights” McCoy: Eileen Reed died because Randall Jenkins put a bullet in her head” Simple yet easy how reasonable doubt can be drawn up.
He basically used some verses in the bible to support his argument. Also God does not allow you to murder, that what Jesus said, that even if you have looked at someone wanting them to be murder you wanting evil for them you have committed a sin, because a crime starts with the thoughts, that why you have men's rea and actus rea the men's rea the intent, so the planing in your mind and the actus rea the actual doing. Bible in the old testament tell us things like love you neighboring and hate you enemies, and in the new testament says love you neighbour and pray for your enemies because in the old testament people didn't really want to follow God so God allowed them to do what they believe was humanly wrong to hate their enemies but the new testament Jesus show us how to actually please God by saying Love you enemies, especially when he died on the cross for me and you and pray for this who hung him saying, father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing, because they were killing an innocent man, not giving him a fair trail, that did his trail in the night, which was against the roman law and also they concluded which again is not right in the roman law, so it was an on just trial and also they bought false witnesses so again, Jesus says pray for your enemies, which is what this man should have done and not taken things into his own hands, Jesus loves everyone even though he doesn't love what people do, but he doesn't plan for you to die, which is why in the the verse the man for quoting in Isaiah says I knew before you were in your mother womb, and also another one, God said for I know the thoughts I have towards you meaning the human race, he said thoughts of Good and not of evil to give you an expected end, doesn't mean God believe that some human actions are right , but he is still ready to welcome you into Hus family, no one is perfect but God that why he doesn't expect us to be perfect without him, but with him we can become perfect daily we will fall some time but we will rise up. Jesus said joy, peace and love but the greatest of these is love. Jesus loves you both.
Thats the abrahamic followers for you. Their entire mythology is all about flip-flopping. Thats why their ridiculous god Yahweh does not work as a concept.
there is so much in the bible that runs contrary to other parts of it. Then ya have to figure out which verse is more important than the other and hten ya have to figure out what is literal and what is metaphorical. It keeps ya busy and distracted and in a state of servitude until you die.
Yeah a lot of religious people are like that. Condemning homosexuality from their couch sitting next to their 3rd spouse and child born out of wedlock. Hypocrisy and religion go hand in hand
@@MrBingping That's why I don't believe in 'Religion'. The concept of religion is a man-made institution, and what is more flawed than man? I have faith, not religion. I trust common sense to keep me from being a nut-job like the idiot in the above clip.
I loved Edward Herrmann since I first saw him in “Eleanor and Franklin” and “Eleanor and Franklin: The White House Years,” in 1976 and ’77, and was never disappointed by his work over the decades following. I especially liked his turn, in ’86 and ’87, guest-starring on “St. Elsewhere” as Father Joseph McCabe. Of course, he was very funny on “Gilmore Girls.”
Edward Hermann was one of my all-time favorite actors. My favorite roles were when he played my all-time favorite president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and I can't help but think he really looked up to him as well, given how many times he portrayed him, from the '70's through his final role as a voice-over in Ken Burns' "The Roosevelts". When Hermann died, I felt as though we had truly lost President Roosevelt all over again! Another role I really liked him in was on "M*A*S*H", when he played a surgeon who, tragically, "crashed" amidst the circumstances. I can still see him sitting on the floor in Col. Potter's tent trying to get the blood of off his hands, saying: "It won't come off." And, just by looking at him, one could tell that even he knew it was over. As noted in these two roles, Edward Hermann gave his characters everything he had. He was one of only a relative handful of actors and actresses about whom I can honestly say that.
This is the first time I've heard in a Law and Order episode that no one shouted, "Objection," in the middle of a court trial. I guess this is the first time everyone's in agreement that this man is a criminal.
@@johnlatham5391 Love that the only reason no one shouted objection is because there literally wasn’t anyone in the scene who could reasonably shout it
This reminds me of an episode where a guy says he's gods prophet. Ben stone says oh really then why does the Bible say, if anyone comes as a prophet in my name do not believe them. People can use the Bible to justify whatever they want to justify. So it's nice when stone or McCoy would show these people that they didn't know the Bible as well as they think.
So many people use the bible to justify things when they haven't even read it... they are EULA Christians (End User License Agreement-they skipped over the fine print and just clicked "I Agree" at the bottom).
I gained a lot of respect for McCoy when he gave that speech in an uproar about how some people thinking because they know a few lines in a book they don't have to play by the rules like the rest of us mere mortals do. This is more of that!
3:34 And what is your sin? 4:12 You can't point a gun at another human being, even an abortion doctor, and pull the trigger, because in your soul, you know it's WRONG! 4:24 YOUR DEFENSE IS A LIE!
I had forgotten this show pointed out of the most glaring and obvious failures of the bible that Christians just generally ignore. Not only that it doesn't condemn slavery but it actually endorses and regulates it. Almost like it was a book written by men who lived in a world were slavery was not seen as a great morale evil but instead it was a social institution that they never imagined wouldn't exist. That or it WAS made by an immortal timeless being who just seemed to reflect the exact morale sentiments of the time period it was wrote in...how odd.
@Newell Orban Not the entire world is Christian mate. Contrary to popular belief even the colonised countries (like mine where the population accounts for only 2% of the total country's population), aren't Christian. Most non morons know this.
@Newell Orban Please provide the supposed verse that condemns slavery. Additionally; if we pretend for a moment the New Testament condemns slavery...that raises the question why? Did god change his mind? The all-knowing creator of the universe didn't realize slavery was wrong before the New Testament? Oh...and finally....you do realize the verse McCoy read in the courtroom was from the New Testament not the Old.....most non-morons know this.....
@Newell Orban so unless a religious text says something or the other people will blindly follow it? Even if its contradictory? And why does a book of god change its stance on a particular subject? Its God! Humans change not God he is the supreme being, he kno s everyone and everything! Or atleast that's what his followers believe and that belief is what makes people follow him... Even Flanders in the Simpsons says he does all the things the bible says even then ones that contradict the others!
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 I'm being a jerk here, but its fun to see other religions have doubters for a change. We just can't leave it at God is great can we? No we also want to say God decides everything. He gave you life and a brain but still everything is according to my plan! But still devil Exists and you sinned etcetera....
Slavery in the Bible is not the same as modern slavery, as I posted above. It was a debt owed by one family to another, so the one who owed the debt went to work for seven years or until the debt was paid. It was a business agreement and the worker was to be treated with respect and as a member of the family. It was not taking a person by force with no debt owed as was done, and still exists, in modern times.
*Him:* That is between me and my god! *Me:* But you're not being judged by God right now, you're being judged by a jury. If God is all you care about, then you shouldn't be worried about going to jail because God will give you your just rewards, right?
Ben Stone took her out with one brilliant question that turned her logic around and made her realize by getting a young pregnant woman killed, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer.
@@intldawn Exactly, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer. It is like Ben Stone said when he asked the anti-abortion activist, "If abortion is murder, no matter how bad you feel for Mary Donovan, are you guilty of killing her unborn child?"
Since he is so eager to quote Bible verses, here is an important one: Matthew 7, Verse 1 "Judge not, less ye be judged. For the measure you take against others will be taken against you."
When he said “ God told me to kill “, I found that funny. Why would God tell someone to do something that is a mortal sin. Breaking a commandment is a major no no , saying a couple Hail Marys isn’t going to cleanse that one away. Which makes me wonder who was really asking him to break Gods law, gee I wonder who that could be? ( sarcasm ) . Either way this man God following or not will be going to hell for using others he manipulated to do murder on another regardless of reasons why.
I’m not religious by any means, but didn’t God command Abraham to sacrifice (kill) his son, which Abraham was preparing to do, when God said, “Ok, you passed the test. Now release your son and sacrifice that ram (conveniently) stuck in the bushes over there”?
exactly, and he wants to cite "i knew you before you were in the womb" when the bible also explicitly says the soul enters the body at the first breath of life. his citation doesn't prove abortion is wrong (the bible actually includes instructions on performing abortions, read about "bitter waters"), it just proves that souls exist in heaven and birth is what joins a soul to a body.
I think what makes this interesting is that in his mind he thinks this is going to be a major event in the fight against abortion. Either he goes to jail but is seen as a martyr by the public, or is found not guilty and opens the floodgates against abortion. But instead he’s reduced to either voluntarily admitting his defense is meaningless or the judge will make his defense meaningless
Hypocrisy is pro choice as well. It's the problem with a choice that is sometimes a lesser of two evils. Everyone picks sides at the extreme and declares themselves holy and the opposition as demonic
The best way to avoid moral confusion is to build your ethics on conviction and not faith. Convictions built using the focus of your reasoning mind can be tested against reality and, if found incorrect, abandoned in favor of the facts. Not so with faith...more often than not it is reality that is abandoned in favor of a lie.
That's precisely the reason why I built my pro-life beliefs on conviction, such as science, and not on religion, even though I'm a believer. If they were built only on faith then they would be very fragile.
@@scottmatheson3346 Oh really? Do you know me? Do you know what I believe in? If not, then stop mansplaining MY convictions to me. Thank you very much.
The late Edward Hermann did a good job playing bad guys including The Lost Boys starting out as the likable movie store owner and boyfriend of Lucy (Dianne Wiest) who would also appear on Law And Order as Nora Lewin to becoming the main villain and head of vampires.
The actor being questioned was Edward Hermann, always superb. He made an excellent guest appearance on “MASH,” and years ago played Franklin D Roosevelt.
...I mean I woulda just pulled out the verse where god literally gives the priests a recipe for an abortion potion and instructs them in its ritual use, but hey, I guess this works too.
I feel like everyone on facebook, twitter, and just any religious person should have a listen to this conversation. Whether or not they're nuts or truly altruistic, it's still a grand show.
Anyone who uses the witness stand as a pulpit needs an ego reduction. Edit: He represented himself. Yeah, I think his performance here is a great reason to hire an attorney if you're charged with conspiracy.
Unfortunately, we are here to judge. That is the court set up to defend the people. Hate the sin and punish the sinner (that is what we do all the time). And that defendant did not show much love himself, did he?
I'd like to know why this even needed a court case. This dude literally went on the stand and stated, to the judge, jury, and everyone attending: "Yes, I told so-and-so to kill that doctor. I take responsibility for the murder. If I didn't tell him to do it then he wouldn't have done it." Just throw him in prison! He's all but pled guilty!
He’s putting up a “justification defense” as in “he had good reason to commit the crime and shouldn’t go to jail.” The issue with his defense is that he himself doesn’t believe the crime is 100% justified (he won’t do it himself but he’ll make others do it), making his defense void.
"It was the only thing I could do". No, it wasn't. He could have run for Congress or Senate, and tried to convince the majority. But of course, convincing the majority is much harder than manipulating a single vulnerable person.
I love that actors voice. He did so many documentary back in the day like the American Revolution and Washington's Generals. I think he did the presodents also. Very good voice for narration
@@DigitalPadawan Well, that's kind of his character flaw. He's against all that stuff, but claims he'd be willing to shoot in defense of another and claims that "defense of another" includes a fetus. But then in Vietnam, there was always an excuse for why he never had a reason or need to shoot to protect anyone else and, with the doctor, he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger himself. He's all talk and ideology but, when it comes to actually putting it into action, he can't actually bring himself to take the actions he, himself, advocates in the name of God. Classic cognitive dissonance; he's caught between understanding that killing anyone is wrong and being justified in killing someone to protect someone else and can't pick a lane. So his compromise is to make excuses and always have other people available to pull the trigger for him since he wants it done, but won't do it himself. It's a bad case of projectile dysfunction.
"I am ready for your questions"
Jack McCoy: "and I took that personally"
Lol
"If it was so righteous, why didn't you do it yourself?"
A question that should be put to every terrorist mastermind.
"He who passes judgement should swing the sword?"
Firan25 So that he may die by the same sword when the defenders fight back.
@@Firan25 Back when GoT was good!
@@LucianDevine I wasnt referencing GoT. Thats a pretty common saying if I recall.
Terrorist? Yes. Mastermind? Not even close, just a crazy person who bring fear.
5:09 - "I'll instruct him to lower the temperature."
Savage.
Glad the judge easily saw through his bullshit and knew the most damaging things done was what he himself was saying
@@clearshade3560 McCoy glancing at the jury almost as if to say "you see this dipshit?" is also absolutely class. The Judge was merely observing a formality to see the idiot finish.
@@KasbashPlays McCoy is awesome.
Word!!!😂 Agreed!!
and he said that AFTER mccoy had already lowered his voice in repeating the question.
There was a Law & Order episode where a woman threw a bomb into an abortion clinic, which killed a pregnant woman. She claimed she was trying to save a baby from being killed. But when the procecutor reminded her the unborn baby too died in the blast, she was speechless
That was a season 1 episode of og law and order
andrew gifford yup, it’s on this page as well
Law and order suv sounds like a great car 🚙
Don't you mean "Law & Order SVU"? And it didn't happen in there. It happened in this series. Season 1, episode...10 I think. If the SVU has an episode of an abortion clinic, then I may have to find it.
Squeaky McBeal yeah, it was from the O.G. Law & Order
And he seemed so nice when Rory & Lorelai came for dinner....
Which one, McCoy or the defendant?
The defendant. He played the grandad on Gilmore girls
He is actor in one criminal and law tv show, the studio people are trying to find a face to fool people. Like his character, he was good.
@@kitkatmccabe ... you mean, Rory's grandad.
And Mike & Sam's mom seemed to really like him until she found out he was the chief vampire.
This argument just occurred to me.
"You testified that when you went to Vietnam, you would have shot someone to defend others. You also testified that you killed Dr. Reed to prevent death. So...why didn't you?"
Dude no offence but you do know that he actually had somebody else kill dr reed right?
@@matthewforsyth284 That's not the point. The point is that he testified that he would have shot to defend others. Well, if this is about defending others...why didn't *he* shoot? It's basically another way to frame "You don't really believe you're defending life by doing this."
The late great Edward Herrman as Seeley. He captures so well the righteous leader's smugness and indigation in the face of McCoy's harsh assertions.
"I'm ready for your questions."
No you are not, Mr. Seely. You really aren't.
You're not that guy, pal.
@@aidanadkins5922 Trust me, you're not that guy!
@@aidanadkins5922 "I am that guy." - Amos Burton
I loved how the defendant was so backed into a corner that he kept trying to dodged answering it. Tried using God as a defense, and even tried to get the judge on his side by claiming McCoy was badgering him. He knew that once he’d answer the question he would be a hypocrite and have absolutely no defense.
Indeed he was. And I'm sure God Himself would come kick this man's tail.
Cult leaders are often content to sacrifice other people for their ends, because they're "too important"
I don't think Mr Seely got the idea on how to defend yourself in a case.
The 1st rule is to never represent yourself
I don't know who said it, I've seen it attributed to everyone including Abraham Lincoln, who was an attorney before he was President, but the saying goes, "He who represents himself has a fool for a client."
Didn't the anti-abortionist from Season 1 represent herself for the closing statement? Seems to me these people have a pattern on this show.
@@feverspell I found the earliest mention in “Humane Prudence, or, The Art by which a Man May Raise Himself and Fortune to Grandeur” by William De Britaine, published in 1682.
"Before you act, it’s Prudence soberly to consider; for after Action you cannot recede without dishonour: Take the Advice of some Prudent Friend; for he who will be his own Counsellour, shall be sure to have a Fool for his Client."
Rule of Thumb in Law and Order: If someone defends themselves they'll either lose or something horrible will happen to them outside of court.
@@KasbashPlays She took the stand against the advice of her attorney. Almost the same thing, both characters tried to use the stand as a pulpit, which is never a good idea because it pisses off the judge.
I don't care what religion you have. Using God as a scapegoat for a reason to harm people is low.
I don't completely agree with abortion, but I would never harm a doctor or abortion worker.
Being a Christian and believing in God doesn't and should never allow an individual to act like God. If you use authority to corrupt others into doing ungodly things then you're just a coward.
Better to believe in the spaghetti monster. Then your mind clears up real quick...
Very well said
Robert Flynn
Spaghetti monster? You mean worshipping King Ghidorah; the planet eater, the golden demise, the Koko no Kami (the God of the Void)?
@@whathell6t no there is a religion that worships a spaghetti monster in the sky
Which is why I chose atheism. I’d rather keep my hands clean from a crusade that most certainly could have terrible justifications, than swing a sword blindly following the will of a being that can’t do it himself.
Loved Jack McCoy nailing this sanctimonious creep.
Lyra Maria Amen
hell yeah!
You can say he was criminally underrated actor.
I like how delicately you worded that. Kudos to you =)
Hear Hear.
This scene is exactly why I love this show. It's so entertaining to watch McCoy cross examine people
As a former-Pagan-turned-Christian friend said the other day; bigotry wrapped in prayer is still bigotry.
Just curious what "Pagan-turned-Christian" means?
Easter and Christ Mass and Sun-day worship are pagan.
@@mrchrysler9736 Wican?
Mr Chrysler - From the time of Constantine using “Christianity” as an expedient tool to unite his empire what you have is not Christianity but rather Christendom. Those who would at some point in the future claim, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?” There is a real warning in Jesus’ reply, “And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’”
Mr Chrysler
I think it means their friend went from believing in the existence of many gods to believing in just one. They're getting closer to the real number.
@@Adam1nToronto 😆
"I'll instruct him to lower the temperature" 😂
Mr. Seely had no escape at that point. Both the judge and prosecutor had put him in checkmate right before his very hypocritical eyes.
"I am ready for your questions."
Knowing Jack McCoy ... trust me you are not.
"A client who represents themselves has a fool for a lawyer"
Mark Twain
" and by God, I am that fool." Gomez Adams
@@BigPerm47 Man I love that quote!
@@MichaelandCathy1999 Actually, Oliver Wendell Holmes.
except the psychopath who killed a family, opted to represent himself in court, then seduced the jury foreman to secure his acquittal.
Seely: "That is between me and my God."
Judge: "And me, Mr Seely."
The moment he realizes he has no escape.
Unfortunately for Seely, he just learned that it wasn't HIS god
DOC is gonna be his god now and he's in for 20 to life in Hell on Earth. Hope ya like pemis.
This episode always reminds me of the season 1 episode when Stone prosecutes a women who bombed an abortion clinic because she believes abortion is a sin and she says she is not guilty "in gods eyes" but her logic is almost the same as this defendant. She was trying to do an act of God by trying to stop the abortions, but..ugh you gotta watch it yourself. Season 1 episode 12!
And didn't they send a pregnant girl to do a bombing who also died?
@@Seek1878 Yes, yes she was
But Stone broke her when he asked her if the bomb she sent also killed an unborn baby. You could pin-point the exact moment her mind broke
@Bobbie Charles That he did. They may have had different styles but in the end, the two of them know how to exploit the flaws in the testimony of hostile witnesses.
@@thedelta4258 I did too. Stone completely nailed her and broke her mind in a one hit KO.
I love that Sam plays a retired lawyer on Grace & Frankie. Jack McCoy was so good. Top 5 on-screen lawyer 👏🏾
One of my favorite scenes from the entire series. Fantastic play back and forth between these two great actors.
I recall a conversation I had with a prosecutor who studied theology and he said the commandment is thou shalt not murder. We commonly translate that to thou shalt not kill.
Both are already translations. Possibly upon other translations, I'm not a thelogist .
And it only applied to fellow israelities, not the other tribes they routinely slaughtered (infants included)
There are a few other things in the Bible, especially where Christians are concerned. "Turn the other cheek", for example, as committing violence is so antithesis to the Christian faith that when another does you actual harm, you still are not supposed to strike back (and yes, I'm also aware that when asking "What would Jesus do", flipping tables and whipping people is not out of the question). Also, "Judgement is reserved for God alone." These are paraphrased, but it's the gist of the verses.
@@rcslyman8929 The bible says a man can force a miscarriage on his wife if he suspects cheating...
You make that sounds like it matters and the argument is over.
I worked for Ed Herrmann and met Sam Waterston. They were good friends with each other. Both really great guys!
they were both in the Great Gatsby together
Gatsby is my fave book/movie and it kicked off my fascination with Sam Waterston. He will always be the only Nick Caraway for me. I’m glad to hear he was a good guy. I hate when my idols turn out to be jerks.
Actors who are close friends often make very good on-screen opponents in movies and television. The same was true with Richard Widmark and Sidney Portier, who were antagonists in all the movies they appeared in together but were very close in real life.
That is so cool!!! I bet you have many stories!
@@LordZontar Agreed. In Runaway Jury, Dustin Hoffman, and Gene Hackman faced off against each other. They were roommates in the 60s.
A well- written and -acted series. Took on many aspects of atrocious human behavior.
Except for the wholesale murder of unborn children for profit.🤷♀️
I love McCoys interrogations. He was awesome in setting up traps.
But when he spoke of slavery, he said the bible didn't condemn it, yet it does. It's why Moses escorted the Israelites through the deserts to freedom.
@@dragonturtle2566 Also Ephesians 6:5 was figuratively saying to respect and obey the responsibilities given to you by your worldly boss (if you have a job.)
@@trevonpernell0814 Simply put.. be a good worker and not a lazy freeloading idiot. Common sense factor in that one really.
It was a scripted show performed by actors.
@@jayburris6252 And that changes what?
Creeps like these will do whatever necessary to protect an unborn fetus but will do jack squat to help a child that is already here.
That's why they aren't pro-life. They are pro-birth and destroying the mothers lives.
Nikky K exactly
@@nikkyk4839 to quote George Carlin, they aren't pro-life, they're anti-woman.
Actually plenty of them do help. Many people donate time, money, and resources. I know many people that take in children from unplanned pregnancies and other situations. However you seem more at peace with trying to shut down these organizations that help because they don't agree with you.
@@barefootedgypsy93 the kkk does charity work too. An organisation like the church doing some good things doesn't erase all of the terrible things they do
The gas lighter got legally gas lit
Burn
Kincaid: “Eileen Reed died fighting for woman’s rights”
McCoy: Eileen Reed died because Randall Jenkins put a bullet in her head”
Simple yet easy how reasonable doubt can be drawn up.
Both are technically correct
dude no ofense but you do know that his name is actually Randall Jenkins right.
@@matthewforsyth284 thanks for the correction
I wonder. Does he have a son named Leroy? 🤔
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 you have no business making me laugh this hard 😭😭
This dude was so flip flop on what the bible apparently does or doesn’t let you do. Holy fudge sticks I’m so confused lmao.
He basically used some verses in the bible to support his argument. Also God does not allow you to murder, that what Jesus said, that even if you have looked at someone wanting them to be murder you wanting evil for them you have committed a sin, because a crime starts with the thoughts, that why you have men's rea and actus rea the men's rea the intent, so the planing in your mind and the actus rea the actual doing. Bible in the old testament tell us things like love you neighboring and hate you enemies, and in the new testament says love you neighbour and pray for your enemies because in the old testament people didn't really want to follow God so God allowed them to do what they believe was humanly wrong to hate their enemies but the new testament Jesus show us how to actually please God by saying Love you enemies, especially when he died on the cross for me and you and pray for this who hung him saying, father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing, because they were killing an innocent man, not giving him a fair trail, that did his trail in the night, which was against the roman law and also they concluded which again is not right in the roman law, so it was an on just trial and also they bought false witnesses so again, Jesus says pray for your enemies, which is what this man should have done and not taken things into his own hands, Jesus loves everyone even though he doesn't love what people do, but he doesn't plan for you to die, which is why in the the verse the man for quoting in Isaiah says I knew before you were in your mother womb, and also another one, God said for I know the thoughts I have towards you meaning the human race, he said thoughts of Good and not of evil to give you an expected end, doesn't mean God believe that some human actions are right , but he is still ready to welcome you into Hus family, no one is perfect but God that why he doesn't expect us to be perfect without him, but with him we can become perfect daily we will fall some time but we will rise up. Jesus said joy, peace and love but the greatest of these is love. Jesus loves you both.
Thats the abrahamic followers for you. Their entire mythology is all about flip-flopping. Thats why their ridiculous god Yahweh does not work as a concept.
there is so much in the bible that runs contrary to other parts of it. Then ya have to figure out which verse is more important than the other and hten ya have to figure out what is literal and what is metaphorical. It keeps ya busy and distracted and in a state of servitude until you die.
Yeah a lot of religious people are like that. Condemning homosexuality from their couch sitting next to their 3rd spouse and child born out of wedlock. Hypocrisy and religion go hand in hand
@@MrBingping That's why I don't believe in 'Religion'. The concept of religion is a man-made institution, and what is more flawed than man? I have faith, not religion. I trust common sense to keep me from being a nut-job like the idiot in the above clip.
I loved Edward Herrmann since I first saw him in “Eleanor and Franklin” and “Eleanor and Franklin: The White House Years,” in 1976 and ’77, and was never disappointed by his work over the decades following. I especially liked his turn, in ’86 and ’87, guest-starring on “St. Elsewhere” as Father Joseph McCabe. Of course, he was very funny on “Gilmore Girls.”
his small but essential role in "overboard" was great too!
Don't forget The Lost Boys!
Edward Hermann was one of my all-time favorite actors. My favorite roles were when he played my all-time favorite president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and I can't help but think he really looked up to him as well, given how many times he portrayed him, from the '70's through his final role as a voice-over in Ken Burns' "The Roosevelts". When Hermann died, I felt as though we had truly lost President Roosevelt all over again!
Another role I really liked him in was on "M*A*S*H", when he played a surgeon who, tragically, "crashed" amidst the circumstances. I can still see him sitting on the floor in Col. Potter's tent trying to get the blood of off his hands, saying: "It won't come off." And, just by looking at him, one could tell that even he knew it was over.
As noted in these two roles, Edward Hermann gave his characters everything he had. He was one of only a relative handful of actors and actresses about whom I can honestly say that.
He also played Richard Rich Sr with near perfection.
His role as Roosevelt was my first exposure to him as well.
This is the first time I've heard in a Law and Order episode that no one shouted, "Objection," in the middle of a court trial. I guess this is the first time everyone's in agreement that this man is a criminal.
Cakechan Audio that’s so true 👏
Uhh, dude no offense but it's "trial" not "trail' like "trail mix" or "hiking trail"
That guy was acting as his own attorney, so he didn't have anyone to object on his behalf.
Not that the judge would have ruled for him anyway.
@@johnlatham5391 Love that the only reason no one shouted objection is because there literally wasn’t anyone in the scene who could reasonably shout it
watching the subsequent scene, I think he represent himself? Therefore no defense lawyer to shout 'objection!'
0:45: “I’m ready for your questions.”
McCoy: Yeah, I’ll be the judge of that, sir.
Its nice seeing Sam Waterson in something after watching The Newsroom.
Watch Grace and Frankie
TheLips1962 Sam’s the barrister.
@@MuzzyBarker I love him on Grace and Frankie!
This reminds me of an episode where a guy says he's gods prophet. Ben stone says oh really then why does the Bible say, if anyone comes as a prophet in my name do not believe them. People can use the Bible to justify whatever they want to justify. So it's nice when stone or McCoy would show these people that they didn't know the Bible as well as they think.
What season and episode is that? Who was the prosecutor? Great series this was?
Yes please tell me
Season 5 episode 12 progeny
So many people use the bible to justify things when they haven't even read it... they are EULA Christians (End User License Agreement-they skipped over the fine print and just clicked "I Agree" at the bottom).
I gained a lot of respect for McCoy when he gave that speech in an uproar about how some people thinking because they know a few lines in a book they don't have to play by the rules like the rest of us mere mortals do. This is more of that!
Jack McCoy may not be a gangsta in those mean streets, but get him in a courtroom and he is an absolute O.G.
The dude is back pedaling so much I'M pulling a hammy!
3:34 And what is your sin?
4:12 You can't point a gun at another human being, even an abortion doctor, and pull the trigger, because in your soul, you know it's WRONG!
4:24 YOUR DEFENSE IS A LIE!
putting aside Seely's character motives and the general superpower that is Jack McCoy Ed Herman was such a GREAT lost a real legend when he died
McCoy always spitting logic
This scene is sheer brilliance...we don't see nearly enough of its kind on television today...
I had forgotten this show pointed out of the most glaring and obvious failures of the bible that Christians just generally ignore. Not only that it doesn't condemn slavery but it actually endorses and regulates it. Almost like it was a book written by men who lived in a world were slavery was not seen as a great morale evil but instead it was a social institution that they never imagined wouldn't exist.
That or it WAS made by an immortal timeless being who just seemed to reflect the exact morale sentiments of the time period it was wrote in...how odd.
@Newell Orban Not the entire world is Christian mate. Contrary to popular belief even the colonised countries (like mine where the population accounts for only 2% of the total country's population), aren't Christian. Most non morons know this.
@Newell Orban Please provide the supposed verse that condemns slavery.
Additionally; if we pretend for a moment the New Testament condemns slavery...that raises the question why? Did god change his mind? The all-knowing creator of the universe didn't realize slavery was wrong before the New Testament?
Oh...and finally....you do realize the verse McCoy read in the courtroom was from the New Testament not the Old.....most non-morons know this.....
@Newell Orban so unless a religious text says something or the other people will blindly follow it? Even if its contradictory? And why does a book of god change its stance on a particular subject? Its God! Humans change not God he is the supreme being, he kno s everyone and everything! Or atleast that's what his followers believe and that belief is what makes people follow him... Even Flanders in the Simpsons says he does all the things the bible says even then ones that contradict the others!
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 I'm being a jerk here, but its fun to see other religions have doubters for a change. We just can't leave it at God is great can we? No we also want to say God decides everything. He gave you life and a brain but still everything is according to my plan! But still devil Exists and you sinned etcetera....
Slavery in the Bible is not the same as modern slavery, as I posted above. It was a debt owed by one family to another, so the one who owed the debt went to work for seven years or until the debt was paid. It was a business agreement and the worker was to be treated with respect and as a member of the family. It was not taking a person by force with no debt owed as was done, and still exists, in modern times.
Your Honor, he's badgering me. Judge should have replied: That's the job of a prosecution lawyer.
Give this judge a medal!
The golden years, when all the actors and their chemistry were at their best.
*Him:* That is between me and my god!
*Me:* But you're not being judged by God right now, you're being judged by a jury. If God is all you care about, then you shouldn't be worried about going to jail because God will give you your just rewards, right?
I'll never understand why anyone uses the Bible to excuse their actions.
Get Out of Hell for Free card?
Or the Koran
Or the Torah.
Because they are spineless and simple minded.
If you don't understand the bible it'll be difficult
Wow! What a powerful storyline on Law & Order. This remains me of another anti-abortion activist in Season 1.
Is that the episode with Ben stone and the lady? If it's that one, it was very good. Or was it another episode that I may have missed?
Ben Stone took her out with one brilliant question that turned her logic around and made her realize by getting a young pregnant woman killed, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer.
@@booyah2u296 That's the one.
@@intldawn Exactly, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer. It is like Ben Stone said when he asked the anti-abortion activist, "If abortion is murder, no matter how bad you feel for Mary Donovan, are you guilty of killing her unborn child?"
@@booyah2u296 THAT EPISODE WAS FIRE 🔥
Since he is so eager to quote Bible verses, here is an important one:
Matthew 7, Verse 1 "Judge not, less ye be judged. For the measure you take against others will be taken against you."
When he said “ God told me to kill “, I found that funny. Why would God tell someone to do something that is a mortal sin. Breaking a commandment is a major no no , saying a couple Hail Marys isn’t going to cleanse that one away.
Which makes me wonder who was really asking him to break Gods law, gee I wonder who that could be? ( sarcasm ) .
Either way this man God following or not will be going to hell for using others he manipulated to do murder on another regardless of reasons why.
Oh yeah he most definitely have blood on his hands
Sometimes one must stop and think: What kind of being is God, REALLY?
I’m not religious by any means, but didn’t God command Abraham to sacrifice (kill) his son, which Abraham was preparing to do, when God said, “Ok, you passed the test. Now release your son and sacrifice that ram (conveniently) stuck in the bushes over there”?
It's either:
A. Their god is contradicting himself
B. They use religion to justify their shittiness. Like so many people.
exactly, and he wants to cite "i knew you before you were in the womb" when the bible also explicitly says the soul enters the body at the first breath of life. his citation doesn't prove abortion is wrong (the bible actually includes instructions on performing abortions, read about "bitter waters"), it just proves that souls exist in heaven and birth is what joins a soul to a body.
Edward Herman…..rest in peace. What a phenomenal talent.
Some powerhouse writing and acting in this clip ✨👏🏼 SW
This video made my day, seeing someone that tries to hide behind the bible get called out.
"What is bigotry?"
"Bigger than a smaller tree!"
Sam Waterston and Ed Herrman both were very young when they did The Great Gatsby.
Hows that vampire not catching on fire? I think the frog brothers are looking for you!
I think what makes this interesting is that in his mind he thinks this is going to be a major event in the fight against abortion. Either he goes to jail but is seen as a martyr by the public, or is found not guilty and opens the floodgates against abortion. But instead he’s reduced to either voluntarily admitting his defense is meaningless or the judge will make his defense meaningless
Says “thou shall not kill” then tries to justify murder
This guy is a little self righteous for a vampire.😂
The defendant is nuts.
Legally, no. He's fully aware of what he did.
@@MMuraseofSandvich that's even worse
This episode is almost 30 years old and the hypocrisy of pro-lifers is still so relevant
Of extremists, yes
Hypocrisy is pro choice as well. It's the problem with a choice that is sometimes a lesser of two evils. Everyone picks sides at the extreme and declares themselves holy and the opposition as demonic
Pro-life = Anti-women
prospero 41 pro lifers aren’t alway Christians. It doesn’t come down to religion at the end of the day it comes down to control
@@belsnickel9568 never said they were, but pro choice or pro life becomes noise to a debate that can never end.
Absolutely fantastic performances!
The late great Ed Hermann. Great performance.
Edward Herrmann is a underrated actor
No way ...he's very much honored
The best ADA in the ENTIRE SERIES!! HANDS DOWN?!!!!
The best way to avoid moral confusion is to build your ethics on conviction and not faith.
Convictions built using the focus of your reasoning mind can be tested against reality and, if found incorrect, abandoned in favor of the facts. Not so with faith...more often than not it is reality that is abandoned in favor of a lie.
That's precisely the reason why I built my pro-life beliefs on conviction, such as science, and not on religion, even though I'm a believer. If they were built only on faith then they would be very fragile.
Like how Desmond Doss did it? Convictions built using the focus of your reasoning mind I mean.
Well said.
@@snakebitepellehue no, you didn't, no matter how much you lie to yourself about it.
@@scottmatheson3346 Oh really? Do you know me? Do you know what I believe in? If not, then stop mansplaining MY convictions to me. Thank you very much.
The late Edward Hermann did a good job playing bad guys including The Lost Boys starting out as the likable movie store owner and boyfriend of Lucy (Dianne Wiest) who would also appear on Law And Order as Nora Lewin to becoming the main villain and head of vampires.
Jack McCoy is a beast. ( Mic drop)
I know we are all loving the acting but my God is the writing also excellent!
2:45 Hold tf up we not just gonna speed past this like he just didn't admit to killing her
You know it’s bad when a JUDGE is suggesting you take a deal from the prosecution.
This really is the best cross in the series.
The actor being questioned was Edward Hermann, always superb. He made an excellent guest appearance on “MASH,” and years ago played Franklin D Roosevelt.
Wasn’t he the racist general who was trying to send his black troops back home bc he didn’t want them in his unit or something like that???
...I mean I woulda just pulled out the verse where god literally gives the priests a recipe for an abortion potion and instructs them in its ritual use, but hey, I guess this works too.
The way Sam Waterson moves his head when he says dialogue 😂
(@5:29) - Can we treat the witness as hostile, your Honor?” 😏
I feel like everyone on facebook, twitter, and just any religious person should have a listen to this conversation. Whether or not they're nuts or truly altruistic, it's still a grand show.
i think you think waaay to highly of a fictional tv show lol
Am I the only one who’s is smiling like a Cheshire Cat 🐱
Me
A man who represents himself has a fool for a client.
Anyone who uses the witness stand as a pulpit needs an ego reduction.
Edit: He represented himself. Yeah, I think his performance here is a great reason to hire an attorney if you're charged with conspiracy.
"That is between me and my god"
And god will still ask the same question
That man was an amazing actor, grew up watching his work.
Remember. When God said:
"Do not use my name in Vein" he was talking about committing atrocious acts: war, murder or mass extortion in his name.
Love the sinner, not the sin. We are not here judge. We are here to either accept hate, or spread love. More love please.
Unfortunately, we are here to judge. That is the court set up to defend the people. Hate the sin and punish the sinner (that is what we do all the time). And that defendant did not show much love himself, did he?
Don't invite him into your house! He's a vampire 😂
😂😂😂 He’s lost.
It’s weird seeing a young Richard gillmore
I can’t stand the fact that people use Christianity and God as justification for doing horrible things.
The bible is full of god instructing people to do horrible things.
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Me neither! My abuser tried to use God and religion to justify his beatings towards me.
Top ten cross examinations on L&O
You know its over for you, when the judge tells you to take a plea.
I'd like to know why this even needed a court case. This dude literally went on the stand and stated, to the judge, jury, and everyone attending: "Yes, I told so-and-so to kill that doctor. I take responsibility for the murder. If I didn't tell him to do it then he wouldn't have done it." Just throw him in prison! He's all but pled guilty!
He’s putting up a “justification defense” as in “he had good reason to commit the crime and shouldn’t go to jail.” The issue with his defense is that he himself doesn’t believe the crime is 100% justified (he won’t do it himself but he’ll make others do it), making his defense void.
"It was the only thing I could do". No, it wasn't. He could have run for Congress or Senate, and tried to convince the majority. But of course, convincing the majority is much harder than manipulating a single vulnerable person.
I can hear legal eagle saying you can't enter the well...the bailiff will tackle you
OMG SAME LOL 😂😂😂
Man, I’m just going to have to buy this series.
Death camp clinics. That little statement infuriated me quite a bit. The difference is those in the camps had NO choice whatsoever.
And not to mention Jewish people follow the teaching that life begins at the first breath so abortion is not a controversy in Judaism.
That’s the vampire leader, Max. His hounds of hell must be outside?
Jack is the man
Lol
I love that actors voice. He did so many documentary back in the day like the American Revolution and Washington's Generals. I think he did the presodents also. Very good voice for narration
I am a Roman Catholic. We may die for our religion any day. We may never kill for it.
I just love Jack McCoy the actor plays him he’s very talented
Unlike most pro-lifers this guy is at least consistent in his beliefs. He opposes the death penalty AND war AND abortion.
but imposed death on the doctor?
@@DigitalPadawan Well, that's kind of his character flaw. He's against all that stuff, but claims he'd be willing to shoot in defense of another and claims that "defense of another" includes a fetus. But then in Vietnam, there was always an excuse for why he never had a reason or need to shoot to protect anyone else and, with the doctor, he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger himself. He's all talk and ideology but, when it comes to actually putting it into action, he can't actually bring himself to take the actions he, himself, advocates in the name of God. Classic cognitive dissonance; he's caught between understanding that killing anyone is wrong and being justified in killing someone to protect someone else and can't pick a lane. So his compromise is to make excuses and always have other people available to pull the trigger for him since he wants it done, but won't do it himself. It's a bad case of projectile dysfunction.
Ed Herrmann was always one hell of an actor.