Double Sided Tape VS The Blue Tape Trick
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2020
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In this week’s woodworking skill builder we’re talking about double sided tape vs the blue tape trick. The double sided tape is definitely my favorite and a must have in any woodworking shop. I really can’t wait to see what you create! Let me know what you’d like to see next. Thanks for watching! Please like, comment and subscribe. Cheers!
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Hey boss. You got any vids covering anything on outside furniture pieces? Namely something on wood selection and finishes? I know that's prolly a lot of ground to cover, but link me if you've already made a vid on it. And make a vid on it if you haven't.......... I need to know these things.
Love taytools. I'm a machinist by trade and a woodworker by hobby and taytools has great stuff
Why not premake long strips of double sided blue tape? Put long strips of tape on some wax paper, apply glue, apply accelerated on opposing strips, neatly place them on each other, layer more wax paper and apply pressure. I will admit it's more of a process than double sided tape but I feel like that would work as well.
@@quentinreid3111 lol, you can't be serious? That is the antithesis of this video.
@@retiredrookie7146 check put my 4 favorite finishes video
Man, California quarantine has got him sniffing glue now.
My boredom knows no bounds.
@@katzmosestools your boredom nose* no bounds 😉
From years of experience with this same exact double sided tape, I just wanted to let you know that it is even more convenient and efficient if you don’t tear off pieces before taking the back off. Leave a “tail” of backing free. Just apply the tape right off the roll, strip the backing and rip the tape off while leaving the backing on the roll. It’s hard to explain in writing (I made a whole video on it a long time ago) but I guarantee once you figure out how to do it you will never go back!
Inspire Woodcraft Yes. That’s very much like leaving a courtesy tab on a roll of clear tape. Folding over the last half inch so that you don’t have to pick at it with your finger nails to get tape off the roll next time.
"Let's come into the bench and have a talk" is the most wholesome thing!! This world needs more JKM.
Intertape Polymer Group "591" is the make and model of the tape - obviously comes in various widths. Often marketed as the tape used for between the shaft and grip for golf grips which is why it's so thin.
The double sided tape I have is sold at Rockler shops. They call it "repositionable" tape. I'm not sure what brand it is but it works great. I like this video and agree with everything thing you said, except inhaling the fumes. LOL Thanks again for great content and info.
Just bought a roll of the white tape, very pleased. Thank for the recommendation!
Sticks like glue comes of like butter
Solid video, I typically have both in the shop, because you never know when you run out of one. lol Also super glue is nice to have to harden MDF
I have been using this brand for a while and agree with you all the way!.
Great tip-vid, Jon~! Thanks~!
I work as a cnc operator at a high end furniture maker and we use that same brand of double stick. It allows us to machine parts that would be otherwise impossible to hold down.
100% agree with everything you said.
Thanks for the info Jonathan! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
I started using the blue tape method because all of the double sided tape I bought was such a pain in the ass to use. Seeing this brand, I might give it a try.
thank you Katz . good to hear the other side of the tape thing .
very insightful. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for this! I agree the double sided tape is the more efficient method when clamping down templates isn't an option, or for one-off projects. Grabbing a couple of rolls from taytools! Thanks again and stay safe!
Thank you Sir, you have made a believer out of me.
Thanks for the comparison. Was great seeing you at WBC a month ago.
I have been team blue tape for years.... definitely giving this brand of double sided tape a try. Thanks! Also... That accelerator does smell awesome. On their site they say it's strawberry, reminds me of strawberry car air fresheners.
That's what it is! I couldn't figure it out
I completely agree with you! I swear by double sided tape. Good video!
That’s the brand I use and it works great! My fav!
Great tip!!! By the way, your videos quality and the way you deliver the information makes your channel one of my top 3 favorites. Keep up the good work.
I really appreciate it my friend
I'm convinced.
Wish I would have seen this before now. Just made 7 of your blast gates from the temples using blue tape method. Man what a pain that was. Thanks for the tip
Having used both methods, I prefer the double-sided tape method. The blue tape method I only use whenever I run out of ds tape. Great stuff and Bob Smith spray. We used it back in the day when I did custom interiors for private jets.
I have the same super glue (though not the white label version) and the accelerator smells really interesting. Definitely didn't expect that when I first used it.
I use double stick tape when woodturning. When I'm on a router table, I tend to move to a full jig with clamp downs. This is mainly because when I take classes at the local community college they have a no DS Tape rule. The reason is that students try to use it twice or more times, and suddenly things a flying. It might be interesting to see a video showing when you might not use DS Tape vs another method. Perhaps when routing chair back slats, move to a jig due to narrowness vs routing a chair arm profile with more stickable surface area? Great video as always.
I use that double-sided tape from Taylor all the time. I have an aluminum base plate on my Shapeoko. I use the tape to position the spoil board under the piece I'm cutting. Then clamps to hold down that piece. That way I can "put-and-take pieces. Love that tape!
Very good comparison…thx
I use primarily the carpet tape you recommend against mainly because I work with a lot of rustic and rough milled materials.
Great informational video
Thanks bud
One other tip, particularly if you’re a hobby woodworker and don’t get out in the shop often enough and/or live in a hot & humid climate, keep your CA glue in an airtight container! I started keeping mine in an old mayonnaise jar with a large desiccant pack dropped in. I went from having the glue dry out in the bottle in a matter of months when it was stored in the Fastcap tote to now having the same three bottles for about a year with zero drying out.
Storing in the refrigerator is even better. Lasts for years!
I love these videos! JKM = the master debunker!
How issues with inhalents start “oh that smells really good”
I keep smelling my lacquers to make sure they still make you tingly.
Jonathan Katz-Moses lmao
Been using carpet tape forever. Lately been doing the blue tape thing, but you hit every downside to that method. Just ordered some of this tape from Taytools. Yea, you convinced me.
I agree!
You definitely have a point with the quality of the tape mattering.
I am team double sided tape (although I do use blue tape for a lot of other things like masking off for finish or clamping awkward pieces), but have also been very unhappy with my results when using some brands of double stick tape. There are only a couple brands of double stick tape that I use now that reliably work well for me.
Spot on! Most people who have problems with double-sided tape have been using carpet tape. Bad idea. It is simply not made for wood working.
Using wood turner's tape, or the tape you recommend, is much, much better. It costs a bit more up front, but you only cry once. With blue tape, you can be crying repeatedly thereafter when you use it for applications like the one you demonstrate here.
Different jobs for different tapes. Excellent video!
Using Blue tape in this kind of application is the typical example of cheap people spending more time, money and resources so they can "save money"buy not having to buy a different tape. Great video, btw.
Great!
I went to the blue tape method because I couldn't find an acceptable double sided tape. The HD where I shopped had only a very thick double sided tape which really was not suitable. It also left a sticky residue. I'll try your favorite brand now. Thanks for the information.
The takeaway I get from this is that the double-sided tape works IF and only IF you have the RIGHT kind of double sided tape. I've seen many double sided tapes leave residue, pull fibres, etc., but it the one featured works as advertised it would be a great addition to my shop. Thanks JKM
I like your video and time is money. The Accelerator you using it I ordered online about a week ago,the accelerator is very good one. you doing a very good work ;)
I just use a couple dabs of hot glue. Cheap, easy and I don't have to worry about sawdust getting on it while it's in storage.
When using Double Sided Tape glue a piece to the template, peel the back-paper off and then rip the glue part of the tape without ripping the back-paper so you have always a piece of back paper longer than the glue part on the roll. That's one of the best tricks I've learner lately
Fantastic...I've been looking for good double sided tape, I tossed your buds at Tay Tools an order.
I have to admit that I use both and I've wondered if I'm really saving any money with the blue tape. Especially considering that you do use more. And the cost of CA glue. I've not found a great double sided tape that I like though. I will give this stuff a try. The one I'm using will pull fibers from my piece if I'm not careful. But it's not intended for woodworkers. And yeah... I've got that CA glue and accelerator. Does smell good.
So now I need double-sided tape in my shop!
Cool video. Never thought that anyone would make their own double sided tape. Maybe if you were on the space station, and had to do woodworking, and had lots of blue tape and super glue and no blue tape. Now that I think about it, I would never be considering any of these thoughts if I weren't trapped inside for the last month.
I've said the same thing for forever! Although I've used a different brand of tape, I'm going to try the kind you use and see if there's any difference.
I am pretty new to woodworking, So I'm not arguing if the tape you used in your video is better or not. I just wanted to share this dbl sided tape that I did found on Amazon. It is pretty thin @ 0.12 millimeters and it holds wood together as good as what I saw in the video. It also is fairly cheap compared to other dlb sided tape
Thank you! At last not an ad for a product, but a REAL demo without all the hype! Being in a small Kansas town I have to get my woodworking products off the web...I call it 'buy-to-try'! Even the "lumber yards" are good, but they carry the basic tradesman essentials.
Yep, McMaster Carr carries essentially the same paper double stick tape - works great
Agreed. Double sided tape is the best way. It sticks better and is easier to position templates properly.
Here's a tip: when prying apart two items held together with double-sided tape, try not to pull vertically. This is what pulls fibres from the surface. Instead, try to slide the items apart parallel to each other until the tape weakens enough to release. If you have trouble, clamp one item in the bench vise while you go after the other.
I've been using carpet tape for quite a while. Works well but a major pain to remove. I'm trying the double-sided tape on my next project.
Agreed. Difficult to find though.
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I prefer the dbl sided tape. It's what I started with, works great, and is a much simpler and quicker process. Rotate the piece to remove vs trying to pull straight up. About the accelerant, used that in modelling way back, stuff we used smelled like root beer... mmmm..... ;)
I agree 100%. I used to use A LOT of CA and activator for finishing on a lathe. Which creates fumes while it's curing. The more you are exposed to the fumes, the more sensitive you become to them. Now I try to avoid using it as much as possible. Plus tape has no shelf life. CA glue does. And good CA glue is not cheap. FWIW, I made my mind up that blue tape wasn't for me the first time I tried it. You nailed it. The alignment issue is annoying, and squeeze out can ruin your project.
I don't know why people get all excited about it.
Another great benefit to the blue tape method is when the CA glue squeezes out and glues your pieces together.
Jonathan just noticed the front of your apron, that's going to leave a stain. :). I've been using double-sided tape for years love it!
I realised a while back that I have exactly the same apron - minus the extra pocket of course. I spend as much time standing in front of a milling machine and metal lathe as I do the table saw and router, so my apron is _really_ grubby and could do with going in the washing machine. I'm just a bit nervous about doing that though. I guess the worst that could happen is that it shrinks a wee bit, and that won't really matter.
I have doing blue tape and super 77 but man, I need double sided tape now
Great video Jonathan! Let the great debate begin! 😜
I haven't seen any blue tape fans chime in yet. hmmmmmmm
@@katzmosestools I am not a blue-tape fan, but I do use that trick with ordinary white masking tape and it works for me.
Also, to see the case FOR the masking tape and superglue trick, see ua-cam.com/video/ub6PsY4cgwg/v-deo.html
Never used the blue tape but considered using it because everyone on you tube does. I’ve always used double stick. I just can’t see blue tape holding while using pattern bits and such. Most times I can’t get the blue to stick to raw wood very well.
I create intarsia pieces and agree 100 percent. Odd shapes are hard to line up and in intarsia there is nothing but odd shapes and small pieces. I temporarily mount many small pieces to sanding shims and the tape holds so well and alignment isn't an issue. Leaves no residue. Tape for me all the way.
Clearly I have used the wrong double sided tape. Mine would not come off the wood. I'll have to get this kind and try it again. The blue tape/glue has helped me in the past too. Nice to have both options.
Yeah getting the good tape is a game changer
Agreed
Will this double sided tape stick to a surfaced spoilerboard MDF table? I had one version that worked great on factory MDF but as soon as I resurfaced my spoilerboard it will not stick to it. The MDF fibers stick to it and it will not adhere. When I take it off it takes small tiny fibers of MDF with it. Just wondering if this tape has this issue?
great vid! do you know where I could find the double sided tape here in Europe? Thanks
I've got to agree. I also prefer a one step system.
Good stuff-as is ALL your great videos! BTW...I really like your small workbench!! I would really like to make that...did you do a previous video on that? Thanks!
Yes. I have 2 moxon vise videos. Cheers
I'm with you 100%. The Blue Tape Trick is for when you run out of double sided tape.
I've used both. I like the blue tape, especially on the CNC router, because it comes off easily and cleanly after the job is done. You also want full or close to full coverage, regardless of tape type, to hold loose pieces without having to leave a tab.
Cost was never a consideration for me. I've never heard anyone use cost as the reason.
I'll try the one you recommend, because the others I've used (sold as good tape for CNC machines and woodworking) absolutely do rip up fibers and are a PITA to remove. Similarly, the accelerator I've used doesn't stain the wood. Maybe the stuff that makes yours smell good also stains? :)
Did you end up trying it? How did it compare to the blue tape method?
I happen to prefer carpet tape, because it does hold great when routing pieces. Personal preference, like those who prefer the blue tape method. To each their own.
I found with double-sided tape that the residue is very difficult to remove. That may be because of the grade of tape I use. I tried the blue tape method some months ago and have since only used it - I am truly sold. I still use double-sided tape, but only in my handcraft work where I want the adhesion to be long term
I would give a different brand a try. game changer. Cheers
Been using this on pine and plywood with no issues! However today i tried using it on pressure treated wood and it wouldn’t stick. Any suggestions?
Tape is one of those things you can't stop yourself adding to your basket when browsing your DIY store. I have dozens and dozens of rolls of tape. I could never buy another roll and never run out, but I'll still be buying more because I can't help myself.
I'm team double-sided-tape, but I've done both and I'll use masking tape and superglue if I'm working with a slightly uneven surface. But, why does everyone in the US seem to think we need to use blue painter's tape for everything? It costs way more than plain old masking tape, and it's primary "advantage" is clean removal after several days. If it takes you several days to cut out your pieces, then I guess that's a good thing, but for most work it's a total waste of money. You can buy brand-name 3m masking tape on Amazon, $8.04 for 1080 feet. That's $0.0074 per foot. Save the blue tape for painting walls.
3:41. Just answered your own question why people like the blue tape method.
Is there any difference in how different finishes take to the wood after using CA or rubber adhesives? Does the surface need cleaning with acetone or white spirit?
You sold me on this brand of double-sided tape.
It is really awesome!
Any Idea what material hes using for templates?
VERY WELL SAID! !! !!! Yes, D S Tape is better BUT keep the blue tape method in the back of your mind, if you are in a pinch.
One other problem I've had: There are certain kinds of blue tape that just don't stick well to CA glue. I don't know if it's a coating or what.
Thanks very much for the tip. Thumbs up to crush a troll.
no argument here; totally agree double stick tape better than the blue tape trick. good vid!
Blue tape for life! 😆
Is that bob industries super glue rebranded?
Thanks for a great video comparing these two hold-down methods. I was already on the "double-sided tape" side of the fence, but your video just solidified this decision even more. So, I clicked on you link below to buy some tape, but then found myself a bit confused. In your video, it is clear that the samples of tape you are showing are Intertape brand rolls, and I am assuming #591. Yet, when I click on the link you provided, it is showing another brand of tape with the "Made in the USA" stamp on the inside of the roll. I have never seen this on any Intertape rolls of tape. Can you please clarify this? Thank you!
Curious for this aswell. Do you have any information about this Jonathan? The webshop provided does not ship to my place, so I am 'doomed' to get the same product somewhere else
What does that template do?
With you all the way with that one, Jonathan! I've used the blue tape trick myself and run up against all the same problems. The first time that I used double sided to secure a template for routing, I was sure it would creep. If you buy decent stuff it's as reliable as a G clamp!
Good information. Did you factor in the cost of glue and accelerator to the “blue tape” method?
Yeah it makes them about equal. I say that in the video I believe
Jonathan Katz-Moses: I rewatched and you sure do. I was just too eager to show how dumb I am. Now I’m “that guy” that I always complain about. At least I have purchased 3 of your great products...so maybe I’s somewhat forgivable. Lol
Is it April 1st already?
I think Ben Crowe at Crimson Guitars is the first person I ever saw doing the blue/masking tape method, and he uses patterns A LOT for cutting and routing guitar bodies. He has the blue tape method down to a science. Check out his channel on how to do it so it doesn't fail. The biggest thing is to burnish the tape to both pieces for maximum adhesion.
My personal experience with double sided tape is that it is either too strong, or not strong enough. In most cases, the blue tape is strong enough without being too sticky. So I can quickly and easily get the pieces apart after I'm done. If you ever see me use the router table in videos on my channel, you will notice there are a couple of oopsies in the router plate rabbet. That's because the double sided tape gave out on me and my template moved.
Thanks, enjoyed the video. I purchased some double sided tape for a well known wood worker's store and it doesn't stick very well at all. Could I be doing something wrong in its use?
No, it probably isn't a good product
@@katzmosestools Thanks.
Quick question, can I run finished pieces through the jointer/planer?
Yes. As long as there is no nails/screws I don't know a carbide blade that wouldn't have its way with any paint or finish.
Jonathan Katz-Moses what about a non carbide blade?
I do it all the time. Tape the piece to a melamine sled and run it through the planer.
Great video Jonathan, I bought the tape from your link before the video was over. And I'm sure you've heard before that you not only look like, but sound like, Jimmy Kimmel (one of my favorite comedians.) Back in the mid-50s, (that's 19-) my dad would clean the contacts on our TV channel tuner. (You remember: CRT, vacuum tubes.) He used an ink eraser (remember the trapezoidal pink pencil/white ink erasers we all used in elementary school?) and carbon tetrachloride. He'd take a rag soaked with the carbontet and wipe it on the contacts, let it sit about 5 min., remove the carbon build-up with the ink eraser, then wipe off any residue or eraser fibers with a clean cloth. I would be right next to him the whole time watching carefully, because by the time he was done I was high as a kite. Ah, the good old days. (Remember painting small closets with oil paint and no ventilation? Man, the primitive ways we got high.) Keep up the great videos, my man.
I only use blue tape on culls across glue lines.
Who else had a Roger Rabbit moment at 5:57?