This is the most useful review I've seen of this. Other people don't have a clue how to put a review together for an amp. Endless noodling, twiddling knobs randomly, excessive chit-chat. None of that here. Kudos. Subbed.
Mate, tell me about it. I click on so many amp reviews to hear the sound of the amp and just get mastubatory guitar noodling when I just wanna hear how fuckin chords sound hahaha.
I Got the amp and i think it is a great one. Don’ t understand all the fuss about the amp, no 12", no this, no that, not sounding like another one... I do not want it to sound like another one. You can change the tubes to your liking without a visit to the tech, replace the speaker, it can go out to eternal speakers, has got an attenuator, a boost to make it sound fat, an effects loop, well, you can tweak it and make it sound like you want and it is kind of affordable. This amp is for people who seek the breakup / sweet spot without piercing the ears, and want to add pedals on the front to go further or in the loop to drool a bit. It is a keeper...
you have what is known as "buyers defense syndrome" you bought something that is definitely so/so and you feel the need to defend your purchase.dont worry,its very common as people buy new things without serious consideration all the time.
Hi there ! I take the time to learn how it behaves and reacts. Now, some folks "do not have the time", they want it "all and now".Unfortunately, in music, that is not how it works. The biggest reward is when you learn your instrument (after all an amp is also one) and know how to deal with its weakness and powers. A bit like a singer that has got to deal with a cold but has got to sing live.. Alas, some people are just conservative folks : not learning something new, they do not want change, gimme that old stuff I know and am used to, etc. We got all the amps possible in the world available for our needs.Just find the right one for you. I used to have amps with volume and tone (Music Master Bass, Gibson GA5 and GA15, etc...) Low power amps that is. Now i have to learn to deal with more buttons with this amp, and I am willing to do that because i want crunch when i play"stronger" and this amp just does that at Low / Mid / High / Level. So i actually have a "Thank You Marshall Syndrome", mind you. Not everyone's got the needs of yours ! Take it easy over there.
you have what is known as "bitchy comment syndrome" you read something that you don't understand and feel the need to defend your naivety. Don't worry, its very common as people scroll through UA-cam, commenting without serious consideration all the time.
Hi there ! I highly recommend you to use your fingers just to play. I nstead of pointing them around and say : you have this, you are that.Take it easy over there, cheers.
I was a bit afraid I might be missing out on something when I first heard about the Origin, but after hearing it I think will stick with the DSL-40C for a little Marshall amp.
I have a 50. These amps are amazing. The only reason I can see as to why they aren't more the rage is that they don't deliver quite what a vintage plexi does but, for the money, they come closer than anything I've played before. And they have that Marshall character.
Great Demo ! The Origin 20 Combo is AWESOME ! I was sceptical before trying , And yes the little 10 inch speaker really suprised me ! A PERFECT " edge of break up - smooth overdrive gain " portable - Simple - Light - OLD SCHOOL MARSHALL - tube combo ! Love it ! Never judge an Amp through little PC speakers ! Try it in person !
Sounds to me like the vintage tone are all there in spades , people need to stop and consider why a 20w amp with a 10" speaker played quietly doesn't sound like a cranked plexi with a 4x12 , come on folks it's not rocket science .
well, i happen to own a 1959 Super Lead and also played the Origin50 (50 watts) and i have to say that i really like the Origin for what it is, def. a great and affordable amp from the Marshall familiy, yet it does not have the typical characteristics of a plexi, even when cranked it sounds behaves differently - not worse in any way and still vintagy Marshall tone to the bone, just different
just bought this amp im using it for bedroom/apartment practice. This is my first Marshall so i dont really know if it sounds like the amps Marshall was going for or not but i do like the sound, maybe the OD of the amp can get a little fizzy if you crank it , but i love the sound of it mostly clean just starting to break up .im able to play soft and its nice and clean and then hit it a little bit harder and it will start to break up . but if you use any OD and plug a 4x12 cab into it this amp becomes a power house . i love mine.
I salute you! Best demo of this amp... all the other guys have the amp paired with a bunch of pedals so you never really hear how the amp really sounds. Your demo is the best! I am considering on buying this...Tough decision... I am also considering a Hot Rod Deluxe. Thank you!
great combo, I like the fact that it harkens back to the smaller 1974 and JTM45 style flavor rather than another plexi another jcm800. I love my jcm900 4102 but I'd like something with a lighter and sweeter breakup rather than the heavy crunch
I've played these in 20 and in 50 watt combos and immediately I think of James Santiago at Voodoo Lab and how he'll take a twead Fender or a Marshall head and running them totally clean, he'll add their pedals like the Giggity and Sparkle Drive and end up nailing a Clapton or EJ tone or even EVH or Andy Summers. This dude is right, this is a great pedal platform. If you expect a Marshall stack tone from these you'll be disappointed. Basically, if you hate these amps, you probably are tone deaf and have zero imagination or artistry.
It appears to sound like bone tone qualities like it has more control than your typical marshall by the intensity you play it less mush nice sounding on the phone witch generally means it's a gas to play inspiring not murky bet a Seymour Duncan's pickup booster pedal is all you need to push it without losing any of the nice tone I'm hearing I'd buy 2 of each if I had the cake or 2 50s 2 tweed baseman's.
Definitely one of the best Origin demos. You actually make it sound quite good despite the 10'' speaker and I didn't manage to hear as much fizz as in the other vids either, which so many people dislike about it. Looking forward to the 412 Greenback demo!
Thinking about getting a new amp soon and this one is on my list of choices. Your review of this amp is the best I've seen. In depth descriptions and great playing examples to show the variety of tones. Great review!
I have the 2018 DSL and the Origin...if you dial them in correct they are both amazing and it's a 10" speaker to everyone saying it sounds thin...not thru a cab I can promise you, I run both thru a Marshall 4x12 or Orange 2x12, all I can tell you is try one yourself, you'll be blown away
Got the 50w combo and I really dig it but... I’m going to put some better tubes in it and a 65w creamback. Not a fan of the stock speaker but some people like it. I had a DSL 40 and it had much better cleans than the origin but I wasn’t using to drive channels and wanted a single channel so here I am. The price is killer for anyone that wants a Marshall with no BS. Takes pedals well and the effects loop doesn’t suck, what more could you ask for? Loud enough to gig and quiet enough for the house, although, the lowest power mode is a bit thin. I give it 2 🤘🏻🤘🏻 up! Thanks for not playing like you trying to impress your date Leon! So tired of reviews where people are more concerned with showing off rather than actually showing how the amp works/sounds. It’s hard for us rhythm players who don’t “noodle” much to find decent reviews in the way I’d play it. Cudos bruv!!
Sounds great! Sounds fantastic with pedals! I think that some people aren't realizing that this amp is not designed to be a competitor with the DSL or JVM series, or other modern voiced amps. This is definitely a full spectrum, vintage voiced amp, based upon their amps from the '60s. It's not an exact clone of a JTM or a "Plexi", but a kindred spirit, taking a little from each amp from that era. Although I do think that it is a mistake that Marshall is putting a 10" speaker in the 20 watter. I look forward to trying out the 20c and 50c at my local music store in early June.
It seems the 20C is aimed at the part of the market that would usually use a Fender or Vox with a bunch of pedals. It's definitely a unique take on the Marshall thing and reminds me a bit of the 1974X combo, which is one of the best Marshall's I've ever played.
yeah, I do agree in regards to speaker choice. a 25 watt greenback , 12" would , to me, be a much more logical choice. Their choice may be simply to keep it more affordable. I dunno. I would definitely like to hear this with a 12" greeny.
@@erikvaldur3334 I'm totally confused with the choice of the 10". Not only in the Origin series but also in the new Studio Vintage model. Even Friedman puts a 10' in the Dirty mini shirley which is bizarre at that price point
10” speakers are fine and sound great. This video they sounds great. I have a Fender pro junior iv with a 10” and I love it so I suspect Marshall Is muscling in on the Fender market. Also if you look back at Marshall’s history when it made a Fender clone with the Blues Breaker amp and that opens the door to kick off rock blues music which eventually led to metal so don’t be quick to judge. Also Adrian Emsley of Orange 🍊 amps likes the sound of 10” and he knows a thing or 2 about good tone being the designer of the industry standard tiny terror lunch box amp. With 10” It’s a different flavour that’s all of course there’s going to be a bit less bass but isn’t that the job of the bass player to do bass. Have fun now 😎
If your a good player with good ears. You could gig with this amp and get great tones. I have a jvm410, marshall dsl 40, Peavey bandit red stripe. Marshall valvestate. Used to play carvin. I can play any of them live and get complements on tone. I dont worry about the type of speakers either. There is to many variables with electric guitar and so many ways to get the sound you want in your head. A local guitarist that has done lots of session work. Ive seen him with a fender amp, marshall dsl 40 and a very small Marshall mg cranked up. He sounds great with any of them. Good demo.
Been playing for over 30 years, the only other Marshall I’ve ever owned was a Lead 12 stack I didn’t know how to use. I’ve had a variety of Fender amps, from a Princeton Chorus to a Silverface Twin Reverb That sounded like God but was way too loud to be practical, to a Mustang 3 (that I happen to really like), plus a few oddball rigs like a Crate PowerBlock into an 80’s Randall 4x12, a Peaver Rage with a homemade 4x8 cab, and God knows how many other makeshift rigs. I’ve found a lot of really cool sounds I liked over the years, but I’ve never had the vintage Marshall JTM/Plexi tone, not least of which because of the same need to be loud like the Twin. Finally pulled the trigger on one of these because they seem to tick all the tone boxes at a price I’m willing to pay and a volume level that works for my living situation. I’m really really excited for it to get here!
@@MarkAnthony5150 I did, love it! It’s got it’s limitations, it is an old school early sixties sound, and it is a LOT louder than I expected, and you have to turn it up to get the sound, but it’s got it. Sounds huge through a 4x12, too👍
Hey Leon! Found your channel by searching for Origin amp reviews - and I gotta say that it’s definitely the best one out there. Most of the reviews I’ve viewed have managed to make the 20 and 50 combos sound really crappy, largely by failing to come to terms with how the “Tilt” and EQ pots work and so failing to dial them in properly. Yours really brings out the character of this amp. It’s not intended to be a high-gain metal machine and, if that’s what you want, then go check out the new PRS Tremonti 15-watt lunchbox head! But the old Marshall amps that the Origin series is channelling weren’t particularly high-gain monsters either. I do get the criticism that this 20 combo should come with a 12-inch speaker, which is why I’m planning to get the head and run it through a G12H-75 loaded cab. But the range of tones you’ve managed to dial up hear at last convinces me I’ll not be disappointed!
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 I totally disagree. I have a regular gig at a club that has DSL40s in the backline, and when I brought in my Origin 20c to compare, the DSL sounded lifeless and sterile next to it, even with its larger speaker. This is a killer amp, with warm, thick tone and amazing tweakability. It reminds me of the early JTM45 or Bluesbreaker. The DSL is more brittle and tight to my ears
Sounds like the biggest tone difference between cranked on full power vs other modes is speaker distortion. Impressive. This amp would have been perfect for me, but it needs a G12M!
Very educational, Leon 4 years on from this review is there anything that you’d say to put me off wanting to buy one of these right now, considering that there hasn’t been any update’s made to the 20W original? Thank you.
Check out my video with the origin 50 head, speaker choice makes a big difference here so you might want to consider whether a 10inch speaker is right for you
Cant hear how it should sound thin and anaemic... 10:35...and it's played with a Strat...C'mon that's not thin! Or do your ears work that different from mine?
I have several tube amps and I use preamp clipping rather than cranked up power tube overdrive ! I did crank my Laney VC-30 up to 8.5 and wow it had sweet power tube clipping the highs perfectly and had the best R&R chords ive heard live ! These amps transform when cranked with the master volume , some go into mud and some are just awesome ! I heard a recorded video outside of a ball game National anthem on a Rebel 20 amp cranked with single coils , oh my it had harmonics in the lower notes I have never heard before ! What single notes can do blew me away on that Rebel 20 cranked , but you have to keep the preamp gain just high enough to push the power tubes in that OD breakup ! Rare you hear power tubes overdriving ! Its loud for real , even with the gain on 5.5 !
Haha i have a Laney LC30 II Combo. 1X12 and evil loud 2 channel. I love the Cub Head maybe even more, but i must change a tube or 2. I think it sounds like a small jcm800. Laney is great shit and one can always find them for cheap. Edit: Cube head has 3x12ax7 and 2 el84. Perfect for gigging or at home. It has 2 inputs. 1W and 15W. 1 W full vol into a 212 v30 cab is LOUD.
Interesting demo, well done. I'd love to hear it through a 4x12 with Greenbacks. Also, I've been looking for a low powered mono poweramp for use with a Soldano preamp. Would you mind trying one of your preamps through the FX return on this and giving your opinion?
Leon - great in depth look at this…I’m headed to a store tomorrow to do an in person look at one now… Would you say the mid control is “really active” meaning changes the tone quite a bit? It seemed like it on this end
best demo yet! you got the feel for it, but i'd like to hear a demo of the heads with 2x12cab - coz thats what I intend to use if I do buy it ;) My concern is whether to buy 50 or 20watts. 50 isn't too much more and I want something that can cope with everything, but if the 50 is just a bit louder but doesn't sound better, i'll probably buy a 20 as i'm unlikely to play any stadiums soon and i can save it for a pedal ;)
Same here, the origin has a better speaker but it doesnt have reverb, it only has gain. The DSL 20 combo will squeal and offers heavier distortion but the vibe of the Origin is classier and is said to offer more bottom end. Its really a lot to think about
This series of amps is really divisive. It also has one of the most inconsistent representations of its sound over UA-cam. One video it sounds so bright it's like someone taking an icepick to my ear drum, but in another video it will sound woolly like they've maxed the gain and left the bass on 10. Others (like this one) make it sound great (to me). I have no idea what to actually expect from these amps in person. What I will say though is that from looking at the comments, plenty of people seem to have missed the fact that the most commonly referenced amp as far as its sound goes is the JTM45/Bluesbreaker. In the videos where it sounds good, they've captured that vibe pretty well. Too many people seem to think that vintage Marshall sound like a Friedman BE but they just don't. They also seem to overlook that many players boosted their amps with stuff like treble boosters or played fuzz pedals into them for high gain stuff. I've seen a few comments from people that have actually owned vintage Marshalls and they've said Marshall nailed it. If this video actually represents it well, that's the sort of sound I'm after, although I'd be looking at the 50 for more headroom as a pedal platform and the larger speaker.
I played the 5 watt one yesterday and I dug it. I own a 79 JMP and I used to own a 68 Champ. I know what a 5 watt amp with an 8" is capable of, which is why I tested the 5w Origin. Everybody else seems to want to dog it in reviews. I dunno but it seemed perfect for a recording studio or apartment amp.
My only problem with the 5 is the 8" speaker hasn't sounded that great at higher gain/volume settings on the demos I've heard. I quite liked some of the lower gain/volume sounds, but I didn't find it quite as musical as some small amps are when cranked. The speaker didn't sound happy but not in a good way. As stated though, the quality from recording to recording can be very inconsistent. It's possible I've just not heard it captured well when dimed.
Two things; A) The amp has a 16 ohm out, so it can drive whatever, and B) even 8" speakers need an extensive break-in period. Nothing sounds good on UA-cam.
It would be cool to hear a demo of one with a well broken in speaker. I do like the small amp sound recorded. I've just not heard a great example of it with this amp yet on UA-cam. I've also tried to find video of someone running it through a larger cab but haven't succeeded yet. I'd really like to hear it through a 2x12 or 4x12 both open and closed back.
I used to own a plexi, this is not it. I do still own a 1982 jcm800 this isnt it either, this sounds a lot more like tha fender supersonic 22 in the burn channel, which isnt a bad thing.
Live in a first floor apartment so I *know* that this thing is a beast and packing too much power for my kind of setting. But this amp really does sound amazing for the money and I'm very very close to just pulling the trigger anyway
Love the tones, would nice if it had a verb. DSL 40 may be a better option. Obviously the DSL was not made when the Origin came out. The DSL 40 has the mix knob and two verbs!!! Several channels under a grand.
I'm probably stating the obvious, but one of the major draws of this amp is its single-channel simplicity. For me, whether it's a pedal or an amp, the fewer the knobs the better. YMMV
I just put some Creambacks in my 2x12 for my JVM 205 & wow just made it incredible, best speakers for Marshalls, thats exactly what I thought watching this, 10'' creambacks and a tube upgrade it would be a great amp
Friend, I have the origin 50c. I use it more in apartment and small shows. When I play in bigger venues I usually mic. Do you think it's worth changing the 50 for the 20 because of the power switching and the ease of transport? It gives a lot of difference in bass because of the 10 speaker? Thank you in advance.
Waiting for my 20 head these days, gonna use it with 2061x cab for Texas rock type Black crows, BlackBerry Smoke kind of style music. Not many pedals, eq in loop as boost, trem and reverb. In front, a germanium fuzz face. Do you think thats gonna work? Great demo😎😎
no,you shouldve bought a dsl and dial the gain back.its easier to take something away than to add something that isnt there and never will be.the origin series is a massive fail imo
Have you tried playing a P90 pickup through the Origin 20c yet? From what I've heard so far with demo's on youtube, the P90 sounds amazing through this amp.
Just traded in my dsl401 for this and i love it,a lot more "creamy" tones without the "fizz" Plus it looks amazing! Just my opinion and ears of course.
Hi Leon great vid as always! I’m looking for that superlead or even jtm45 sound at lower less face melting levels. Interestingly I have an empty bluesbreaker 2x12 combo that I am hoping to retrofit with the guts of an origin 20c if I can find one cheap enough. What are your thoughts on this conversion and do you think it would be an improvement over the 10” (even if the 10” had a decent speaker change) also I haven’t yet seen one in the flesh and am wondering if the control panel is the same length and width as the jtm45/bluesbreaker. Random af questions I know but your input would be greatly appreciated. Cheers legend.
no worries mate, I’ll have to go check one out in the flesh and measure it out. Im also playing a vintage strat that Tim at MT has done an outstanding job with. How bloody good is he!
Sounds great, I bet a Eminence Raging Cajun or Jensen Mod 10-70 would rock in this. I am looking at getting the head version, I want a compressed clean sound, would this have a pleasant clean sound?
Sweet! How does the Origin compare to the Vintage Modern? Listening on my computer it sounds a bit like the VM on LDR with the "tilt" control replacing the "detail" & "body". Thoughts?
That's a fair comparison to make; detail and body on the VM work like high treble/normal on a jumpered JTM/Plexi and Tilt pretty much does that on the origin. The open back cab and 10 inch speaker are a huge factor in the overall tone on the combo obviously, but they do compare well overall.
Hey, I'm trying to decide between this amp and a Fender Blues Jr. I really like both of them a lot and usually just play at home so i dont need an amp with massive wattage. Which would you recommend the Blues Jr which is $1400 NZD or 20C which is $1000? Having a really hard time deciding as I like them both
What style of music do you like to play? I used to gig with a Blues Jnr and it was a killer amp with a Tubescreamer in front of it for a boost. You could use the extra $400 to buy some pedals to really bring the origin to life.
Leon Todd I play anything really mostly RHCP, the Black Keys, blues and rock so something versatile would be good. I have an electro harmonix east river drive which I love. I was thinking even getting a 12" speaking and putting it in would help
Mega Music? --You're in Perth? No shit! I've been going through your videos the last couple weeks figuring out what high gain amp to buy for the studio I'm opening a couple suburbs over next month. :-) Might have to have you through for a colab :)
What is plexi got to do with anything as all it is is the panel being not brushed but plexiglass looking does that magically make it worth more it's a simple cosmetic thing right?? Let me know why it ( sounds better than brushed panel ) hype or what?
Can you have your Neck PUP be clean sounding while the bridge PUP is dirty and crunchy by adjusting the tone/vol on the neck PUP?? its only one channel right??
Thanks for the sub. They're very different tools; this is perfect if you want a single channel amp and to gain stage with pedals, the DSL is more a plugin and go amp.
Yeah, from what I can tell, the VM is just physically authentic, not sure what the guts of these Origins are like, though. I know you did a bunch of videos on the 2266 recently and I was also wondering how you find it as a bedroom practice amp? I keep reading that it can sound pretty good at lower volume levels?
Sorry guys, I´ve been a marshall player since the early eighties and been looking for THAT vintage tone in a smaller and lower powered amp since the early nineties. Have I found it? Yes. The Peavey Windsor Studio. Upgrade tubes/valves, upgrade speaker, upgrade output transformer if you feel you have to ( and you´re especially anal-retentive about such things), do whatever you like to it and it will love you for it and ask for more spank. My favourite amp is still my early 90s Marshall 30th. Ann. amp,- love it forever, but all of these small wanna be Plexis or wanna be Modern Vintages ( which by the way is a GREAT amp - even for metal ) simple don´t cut it. The Peavey Windsor have them all beat. It just doesn´t say Marshall on the tin,- so I guess it doesn´t count.
Leon Todd At that point, why not just get a fucking amp head instead of a combo with extension speaker? I play with combo amps because I don't want to crank up to 100W and don;t want to carry all that gear around. I do not understand why you would get a 4x12 for your combo amp. It sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
@@stephengreaves9771 That is true. Looking back at my comment ive no idea why I recommended the 50., the 20 watter i had was insanely loud. Probably was suggesting for the headroom in case he runs pedals. But still,the 20 watter rocked with a 4x12.
Wouldn't it have been easier to have close-up shots of controls instead of talking about them? just an idea ;-)... also, while you demo the master controls with respect to the volume levels I think you forgot to level down the input signal to your mic, 'cause at full blast all I could hear in my headphones was a fart ;-(... the les paul sounded fantastic though. otherwise a great video, thanks!
If you want to play with some overdrive, and want that overdrive to come from the amp being cranked, it's probably too loud for an apartment. But if you're willing to reduce the amp gain a bit and use an overdrive pedal instead, you're probably good.
Leon how close is the origin in tone and gain to the vintage modern? Trying to decide if I should continue hunting for a VM or If I can instead snag the 50 combo origin. Thanks!
Both the Origin and VM (low dynamic range) can do the Plexi/JTM45 thing pretty well. The VM high dynamic range gets into modded Marshall territory and has way more gain than the Origin. To me the Origin is an affordable JTM/Plexi style amp designed to take pedals where the VM is like a Plexi with all the cool mods already installed.
Leon Todd thanks for the quick reply man, its a tough call they seem pretty similar. I definitely want some gain on tap, Im into the higher gain plexi tones into jmp or 800 territory, so it sounds like my intuition was right and Im gonna have to go with the VM... Or maybe eventually both 😁
Is marshall amp cant play clean tones? Really dont know about it, cause almost all review i watched is more about distorte tone. please have an answer for me thanks 🙏
@@LeonTodd ohh.. i get it, people like the break up point on the marshall which is good i assume ( i still dont have chance to try amp directly), if its good for clean i might get a little calm haha... Thankyou for the answer, well playing style and techniques Leon!
This is the most useful review I've seen of this. Other people don't have a clue how to put a review together for an amp. Endless noodling, twiddling knobs randomly, excessive chit-chat. None of that here. Kudos. Subbed.
Much appreciated mate!
One of the few that shows what the amp is actually like indeed.
@@LeonTodd maybe it needs some choice tubes, speakers, or just the right pedals, but this demo sounds Ok, but not great!
Mate, tell me about it. I click on so many amp reviews to hear the sound of the amp and just get mastubatory guitar noodling when I just wanna hear how fuckin chords sound hahaha.
I Got the amp and i think it is a great one.
Don’ t understand all the fuss about the amp, no 12", no this, no that, not sounding like another one...
I do not want it to sound like another one.
You can change the tubes to your liking without a visit to the tech, replace the speaker, it can go out to eternal speakers, has got an attenuator, a boost to make it sound fat, an effects loop, well, you can tweak it and make it sound like you want and it is kind of affordable.
This amp is for people who seek the breakup / sweet spot without piercing the ears, and want to add pedals on the front to go further or in the loop to drool a bit.
It is a keeper...
you have what is known as "buyers defense syndrome" you bought something that is definitely so/so and you feel the need to defend your purchase.dont worry,its very common as people buy new things without serious consideration all the time.
Hi there ! I take the time to learn how it behaves and reacts.
Now, some folks "do not have the time", they want it "all and now".Unfortunately, in music, that is not how it works.
The biggest reward is when you learn your instrument (after all an amp is also one) and know how to deal with its weakness and powers.
A bit like a singer that has got to deal with a cold but has got to sing live..
Alas, some people are just conservative folks : not learning something new, they do not want change, gimme that old stuff I know and am used to, etc.
We got all the amps possible in the world available for our needs.Just find the right one for you.
I used to have amps with volume and tone (Music Master Bass, Gibson GA5 and GA15, etc...) Low power amps that is.
Now i have to learn to deal with more buttons with this amp, and I am willing to do that because i want crunch when i play"stronger" and this amp just does that at Low / Mid / High / Level.
So i actually have a "Thank You Marshall Syndrome", mind you.
Not everyone's got the needs of yours !
Take it easy over there.
you have what is known as "bitchy comment syndrome" you read something that you don't understand and feel the need to defend your naivety. Don't worry, its very common as people scroll through UA-cam, commenting without serious consideration all the time.
Hi there ! I highly recommend you to use your fingers just to play. I
nstead of pointing them around and say : you have this, you are that.Take it easy over there, cheers.
I was a bit afraid I might be missing out on something when I first heard about the Origin, but after hearing it I think will stick with the DSL-40C for a little Marshall amp.
This amp's tone is just heavenly.
Hearing check needed I think sounded like a raspy mess
I have a 50. These amps are amazing. The only reason I can see as to why they aren't more the rage is that they don't deliver quite what a vintage plexi does but, for the money, they come closer than anything I've played before. And they have that Marshall character.
Great Demo ! The Origin 20 Combo is AWESOME ! I was sceptical before trying , And yes the little 10 inch speaker really suprised me ! A PERFECT " edge of break up - smooth overdrive gain " portable - Simple - Light - OLD SCHOOL MARSHALL - tube combo ! Love it !
Never judge an Amp through little PC speakers ! Try it in person !
Sounds to me like the vintage tone are all there in spades , people need to stop and consider why a 20w amp with a 10" speaker played quietly doesn't sound like a cranked plexi with a 4x12 , come on folks it's not rocket science .
Bingo
yes, this knowledge would save al lot of comment room
Paul Males exactly. Well said
well, i happen to own a 1959 Super Lead and also played the Origin50 (50 watts) and i have to say that i really like the Origin for what it is, def. a great and affordable amp from the Marshall familiy, yet it does not have the typical characteristics of a plexi, even when cranked it sounds behaves differently - not worse in any way and still vintagy Marshall tone to the bone, just different
You guys realize you'll never capture the sound of your favorite albums with any piece of gear besides a delorian and an invite to the studio right?
just bought this amp im using it for bedroom/apartment practice. This is my first Marshall so i dont really know if it sounds like the amps Marshall was going for or not but i do like the sound, maybe the OD of the amp can get a little fizzy if you crank it , but i love the sound of it mostly clean just starting to break up .im able to play soft and its nice and clean and then hit it a little bit harder and it will start to break up . but if you use any OD and plug a 4x12 cab into it this amp becomes a power house . i love mine.
It definitely thrives as an edge of breakup style amp IMO. Glad you're enjoying it!
Does it sound good at low volumes?
@@dizzyguy7423 it makes me want to practice each day, so i think it gets the job done.
Bryan D haha Thanks for the reply, probably gonna get it soon
i have a 20c and i love it. I turn the gain to about 3'oclock and use pedals with it. The big muff opp amp sounds amazing through it.
Me too.😆
It's got the right midrange for Muffins!
I salute you! Best demo of this amp... all the other guys have the amp paired with a bunch of pedals so you never really hear how the amp really sounds. Your demo is the best! I am considering on buying this...Tough decision... I am also considering a Hot Rod Deluxe. Thank you!
great combo, I like the fact that it harkens back to the smaller 1974 and JTM45 style flavor rather than another plexi another jcm800. I love my jcm900 4102 but I'd like something with a lighter and sweeter breakup rather than the heavy crunch
I've played these in 20 and in 50 watt combos and immediately I think of James Santiago at Voodoo Lab and how he'll take a twead Fender or a Marshall head and running them totally clean, he'll add their pedals like the Giggity and Sparkle Drive and end up nailing a Clapton or EJ tone or even EVH or Andy Summers. This dude is right, this is a great pedal platform. If you expect a Marshall stack tone from these you'll be disappointed. Basically, if you hate these amps, you probably are tone deaf and have zero imagination or artistry.
I've got a video extolling it's virtues as a pedal platform with various drives; it's awesome.
It appears to sound like bone tone qualities like it has more control than your typical marshall by the intensity you play it less mush nice sounding on the phone witch generally means it's a gas to play inspiring not murky bet a Seymour Duncan's pickup booster pedal is all you need to push it without losing any of the nice tone I'm hearing I'd buy 2 of each if I had the cake or 2 50s 2 tweed baseman's.
Definitely one of the best Origin demos. You actually make it sound quite good despite the 10'' speaker and I didn't manage to hear as much fizz as in the other vids either, which so many people dislike about it. Looking forward to the 412 Greenback demo!
Thanks a lot! I didn't have a whole lot of time with the greenbacks but it definitely adds some girth.
Never mind, I appreciate that you had the idea and I'll be able to hear it ;-)
The demo of the tilt control has pretty much sold that amp to me. Nice one
Amazing review. Everything is simple and easy to keep up with the changes you make to the tone
Thinking about getting a new amp soon and this one is on my list of choices. Your review of this amp is the best I've seen. In depth descriptions and great playing examples to show the variety of tones. Great review!
Have a look at my other Marshall demos, should help you decide which flavour you like.
Todd , in all honesty do you think this amp is better or do you prefer it over the dsl’s , JCM’s or studio vintage ?
I have the 2018 DSL and the Origin...if you dial them in correct they are both amazing and it's a 10" speaker to everyone saying it sounds thin...not thru a cab I can promise you, I run both thru a Marshall 4x12 or Orange 2x12, all I can tell you is try one yourself, you'll be blown away
Please tell me you run them in stereo :D
Cool review and very nice amp!
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
Got the 50w combo and I really dig it but... I’m going to put some better tubes in it and a 65w creamback. Not a fan of the stock speaker but some people like it. I had a DSL 40 and it had much better cleans than the origin but I wasn’t using to drive channels and wanted a single channel so here I am. The price is killer for anyone that wants a Marshall with no BS. Takes pedals well and the effects loop doesn’t suck, what more could you ask for? Loud enough to gig and quiet enough for the house, although, the lowest power mode is a bit thin. I give it 2 🤘🏻🤘🏻 up! Thanks for not playing like you trying to impress your date Leon! So tired of reviews where people are more concerned with showing off rather than actually showing how the amp works/sounds. It’s hard for us rhythm players who don’t “noodle” much to find decent reviews in the way I’d play it. Cudos bruv!!
Thanks man! Totally agree about the speaker. Running this through a 4x12 is AWESOME as well
Sounds great! Sounds fantastic with pedals! I think that some people aren't realizing that this amp is not designed to be a competitor with the DSL or JVM series, or other modern voiced amps. This is definitely a full spectrum, vintage voiced amp, based upon their amps from the '60s. It's not an exact clone of a JTM or a "Plexi", but a kindred spirit, taking a little from each amp from that era. Although I do think that it is a mistake that Marshall is putting a 10" speaker in the 20 watter. I look forward to trying out the 20c and 50c at my local music store in early June.
It seems the 20C is aimed at the part of the market that would usually use a Fender or Vox with a bunch of pedals. It's definitely a unique take on the Marshall thing and reminds me a bit of the 1974X combo, which is one of the best Marshall's I've ever played.
yeah, I do agree in regards to speaker choice. a 25 watt greenback , 12" would , to me, be a much more logical choice. Their choice may be simply to keep it more affordable. I dunno. I would definitely like to hear this with a 12" greeny.
@@erikvaldur3334 I'm totally confused with the choice of the 10". Not only in the Origin series but also in the new Studio Vintage model. Even Friedman puts a 10' in the Dirty mini shirley which is bizarre at that price point
10” speakers are fine and sound great. This video they sounds great. I have a Fender pro junior iv with a 10” and I love it so I suspect Marshall Is muscling in on the Fender market. Also if you look back at Marshall’s history when it made a Fender clone with the Blues Breaker amp and that opens the door to kick off rock blues music which eventually led to metal so don’t be quick to judge.
Also Adrian Emsley of Orange 🍊 amps likes the sound of 10” and he knows a thing or 2 about good tone being the designer of the industry standard tiny terror lunch box amp.
With 10” It’s a different flavour that’s all of course there’s going to be a bit less bass but isn’t that the job of the bass player to do bass.
Have fun now 😎
The 20 watt head sounds amazing through a 2x12 celestion vintages.
Thanks for your hard work on all these videos. You do a fantasic job!!
Much appreciated!
This is a true demo. A M A Z I N G
If your a good player with good ears. You could gig with this amp and get great tones. I have a jvm410, marshall dsl 40, Peavey bandit red stripe. Marshall valvestate. Used to play carvin. I can play any of them live and get complements on tone. I dont worry about the type of speakers either. There is to many variables with electric guitar and so many ways to get the sound you want in your head. A local guitarist that has done lots of session work. Ive seen him with a fender amp, marshall dsl 40 and a very small Marshall mg cranked up. He sounds great with any of them. Good demo.
Thanks Leon, excellent review, convinced me to get one of these to play rythmn
What are you pumping through it?
Mine just arrived, and is sitting on the front porch waiting to be unboxed. Gonna be a loud Saturday night.
Nice job reviewing this amp. One of the best out there.
Been playing for over 30 years, the only other Marshall I’ve ever owned was a Lead 12 stack I didn’t know how to use. I’ve had a variety of Fender amps, from a Princeton Chorus to a Silverface Twin Reverb That sounded like God but was way too loud to be practical, to a Mustang 3 (that I happen to really like), plus a few oddball rigs like a Crate PowerBlock into an 80’s Randall 4x12, a Peaver Rage with a homemade 4x8 cab, and God knows how many other makeshift rigs. I’ve found a lot of really cool sounds I liked over the years, but I’ve never had the vintage Marshall JTM/Plexi tone, not least of which because of the same need to be loud like the Twin.
Finally pulled the trigger on one of these because they seem to tick all the tone boxes at a price I’m willing to pay and a volume level that works for my living situation. I’m really really excited for it to get here!
Update??? Did u get 😳
@@MarkAnthony5150 I did, love it! It’s got it’s limitations, it is an old school early sixties sound, and it is a LOT louder than I expected, and you have to turn it up to get the sound, but it’s got it. Sounds huge through a 4x12, too👍
@@corneliuscrewe677 im going to pick 1 up mod time glad it worked out 4 u any clips?
@@MarkAnthony5150 No, I don’t really post videos of my playing. Tried, but it just sounds like ass on an iPad.
I didn't know Colin Farrell played guitar
yeah and he borrowed his sister's shirt..
And her muscles 😁
Surprise the actor actually does in real life
One of the bargains out there (any brand). One of my fav amps of all time (and some Fenders o.a).
great demo, great content, great playing! one of the best guitar gear demo-guy around!:)
Nice demo, cool sounding amp :)
Great video, one of the best yet! Got the 50h and you're almost using the same settings I am using as well :)
I don’t really note any difference on bass past 12:00 position.
Mids start to show at 9 o clock and treble at 12
Come from the future, you got the tone mate!
amazing demo
Love this demo of the 20C, but were you able to try the 20H and compare it with the 50H?
Hey Leon! Found your channel by searching for Origin amp reviews - and I gotta say that it’s definitely the best one out there. Most of the reviews I’ve viewed have managed to make the 20 and 50 combos sound really crappy, largely by failing to come to terms with how the “Tilt” and EQ pots work and so failing to dial them in properly. Yours really brings out the character of this amp. It’s not intended to be a high-gain metal machine and, if that’s what you want, then go check out the new PRS Tremonti 15-watt lunchbox head! But the old Marshall amps that the Origin series is channelling weren’t particularly high-gain monsters either. I do get the criticism that this 20 combo should come with a 12-inch speaker, which is why I’m planning to get the head and run it through a G12H-75 loaded cab. But the range of tones you’ve managed to dial up hear at last convinces me I’ll not be disappointed!
it doesn't do low or high gain well,its mediocre on all levels and is smoked effortlessly by the dsl series amps.
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 I totally disagree. I have a regular gig at a club that has DSL40s in the backline, and when I brought in my Origin 20c to compare, the DSL sounded lifeless and sterile next to it, even with its larger speaker. This is a killer amp, with warm, thick tone and amazing tweakability. It reminds me of the early JTM45 or Bluesbreaker. The DSL is more brittle and tight to my ears
Great review, it really helps to know what to expect from the amp. Now I think I need one :)
listen a lot more carefully,these sound like ass
Put in Mullards and a 10in greenback and wow it comes alive. Much better tone than the stock tubes and the V type
Digging this amp
Sounds like the biggest tone difference between cranked on full power vs other modes is speaker distortion. Impressive. This amp would have been perfect for me, but it needs a G12M!
It's odd they don't offer a version with a 12 inch speaker, it would be a hit
@@LeonTodd pretty ridiculous but I guess they want you to buy a head/cab for more money?
Very educational, Leon 4 years on from this review is there anything that you’d say to put me off wanting to buy one of these right now, considering that there hasn’t been any update’s made to the 20W original? Thank you.
Check out my video with the origin 50 head, speaker choice makes a big difference here so you might want to consider whether a 10inch speaker is right for you
Cant hear how it should sound thin and anaemic...
10:35...and it's played with a Strat...C'mon that's not thin!
Or do your ears work that different from mine?
Subjectivity is a hell of a drug
Grote Andreas a
I think what people are listening through makes a big difference. It doesn’t sound thin to me.
Excellent review.
Thank you kindly!
Good job! Definitely lower gain than most Marshall's to my ear. Lower gain than the VM but takes pedals well.
I have several tube amps and I use preamp clipping rather than cranked up power tube overdrive !
I did crank my Laney VC-30 up to 8.5 and wow it had sweet power tube clipping the highs perfectly and had the best R&R chords ive heard live !
These amps transform when cranked with the master volume , some go into mud and some are just awesome !
I heard a recorded video outside of a ball game National anthem on a Rebel 20 amp cranked with single coils , oh my it had harmonics in the lower notes I have never heard before !
What single notes can do blew me away on that Rebel 20 cranked , but you have to keep the preamp gain just high enough to push the power tubes in that OD breakup !
Rare you hear power tubes overdriving !
Its loud for real , even with the gain on 5.5 !
Haha i have a Laney LC30 II Combo. 1X12 and evil loud 2 channel. I love the Cub Head maybe even more, but i must change a tube or 2. I think it sounds like a small jcm800. Laney is great shit and one can always find them for cheap. Edit: Cube head has 3x12ax7 and 2 el84. Perfect for gigging or at home. It has 2 inputs. 1W and 15W. 1 W full vol into a 212 v30 cab is LOUD.
Interesting demo, well done. I'd love to hear it through a 4x12 with Greenbacks. Also, I've been looking for a low powered mono poweramp for use with a Soldano preamp. Would you mind trying one of your preamps through the FX return on this and giving your opinion?
The 412 vid will be coming soon ;) the amp is already back, I should have thought of that!
Great, been waiting fot this, think no one's done this on YT yet. You have always something extra Leon ;-)
Huum I look forward a 20H + 2x12 Greenback soon, I think it would be very interresting.
If you are putting it through a 4x12, why would you not just buy a fucking head rather than a combo? I don't follow the logic.
Leon - great in depth look at this…I’m headed to a store tomorrow to do an in person look at one now…
Would you say the mid control is “really active” meaning changes the tone quite a bit? It seemed like it on this end
That sounds great! I need one of these.
best demo yet! you got the feel for it, but i'd like to hear a demo of the heads with 2x12cab - coz thats what I intend to use if I do buy it ;) My concern is whether to buy 50 or 20watts. 50 isn't too much more and I want something that can cope with everything, but if the 50 is just a bit louder but doesn't sound better, i'll probably buy a 20 as i'm unlikely to play any stadiums soon and i can save it for a pedal ;)
As soon as the heads arrive here in Western Australia I'll be all over it.
I live in Thailand...big wait here too. the combos just arrived, so anyones guess when the heads will come
Can you use it on a small gig?
regards from Portugal.
Nice review!!
Absoloodle
Thank you. I’m deciding between DSL 20 CR and this one.
Russ Jalichandra wich one did get? And wich do you recommend?
@@iamjordanphelps2138 I'm leaning towards the Origin because I play blues mostly but still haven't bought it yet.
Did you decide yet?
Same here, the origin has a better speaker but it doesnt have reverb, it only has gain. The DSL 20 combo will squeal and offers heavier distortion but the vibe of the Origin is classier and is said to offer more bottom end. Its really a lot to think about
I think you got the Clapton woman tone with the strat, very nice 👍
This series of amps is really divisive. It also has one of the most inconsistent representations of its sound over UA-cam. One video it sounds so bright it's like someone taking an icepick to my ear drum, but in another video it will sound woolly like they've maxed the gain and left the bass on 10. Others (like this one) make it sound great (to me). I have no idea what to actually expect from these amps in person.
What I will say though is that from looking at the comments, plenty of people seem to have missed the fact that the most commonly referenced amp as far as its sound goes is the JTM45/Bluesbreaker. In the videos where it sounds good, they've captured that vibe pretty well. Too many people seem to think that vintage Marshall sound like a Friedman BE but they just don't. They also seem to overlook that many players boosted their amps with stuff like treble boosters or played fuzz pedals into them for high gain stuff. I've seen a few comments from people that have actually owned vintage Marshalls and they've said Marshall nailed it.
If this video actually represents it well, that's the sort of sound I'm after, although I'd be looking at the 50 for more headroom as a pedal platform and the larger speaker.
I played the 5 watt one yesterday and I dug it. I own a 79 JMP and I used to own a 68 Champ. I know what a 5 watt amp with an 8" is capable of, which is why I tested the 5w Origin. Everybody else seems to want to dog it in reviews. I dunno but it seemed perfect for a recording studio or apartment amp.
My only problem with the 5 is the 8" speaker hasn't sounded that great at higher gain/volume settings on the demos I've heard. I quite liked some of the lower gain/volume sounds, but I didn't find it quite as musical as some small amps are when cranked. The speaker didn't sound happy but not in a good way. As stated though, the quality from recording to recording can be very inconsistent. It's possible I've just not heard it captured well when dimed.
Two things; A) The amp has a 16 ohm out, so it can drive whatever, and B) even 8" speakers need an extensive break-in period. Nothing sounds good on UA-cam.
It would be cool to hear a demo of one with a well broken in speaker. I do like the small amp sound recorded. I've just not heard a great example of it with this amp yet on UA-cam. I've also tried to find video of someone running it through a larger cab but haven't succeeded yet. I'd really like to hear it through a 2x12 or 4x12 both open and closed back.
I used to own a plexi, this is not it. I do still own a 1982 jcm800 this isnt it either, this sounds a lot more like tha fender supersonic 22 in the burn channel, which isnt a bad thing.
Yeah you're right the sd1 still the best was the first. The only pedal i have ever owned since 1979 LOL.
it's a marvel :)
I have three!
Live in a first floor apartment so I *know* that this thing is a beast and packing too much power for my kind of setting. But this amp really does sound amazing for the money and I'm very very close to just pulling the trigger anyway
Did you end up getting it?
Do it
Love the tones, would nice if it had a verb. DSL 40 may be a better option. Obviously the DSL was not made when the Origin came out. The DSL 40 has the mix knob and two verbs!!! Several channels under a grand.
I'm probably stating the obvious, but one of the major draws of this amp is its single-channel simplicity. For me, whether it's a pedal or an amp, the fewer the knobs the better. YMMV
Nice sounding amplifier, minus the eardrum-bursting LOUD of a 100 watt Plexi.
I need this amp :) Love it and its a great excuse to buy a 10" Creamback
I just put some Creambacks in my 2x12 for my JVM 205 & wow just made it incredible, best speakers for Marshalls, thats exactly what I thought watching this, 10'' creambacks and a tube upgrade it would be a great amp
Friend, I have the origin 50c. I use it more in apartment and small shows. When I play in bigger venues I usually mic. Do you think it's worth changing the 50 for the 20 because of the power switching and the ease of transport? It gives a lot of difference in bass because of the 10 speaker? Thank you in advance.
Waiting for my 20 head these days, gonna use it with 2061x cab for Texas rock type Black crows, BlackBerry Smoke kind of style music. Not many pedals, eq in loop as boost, trem and reverb. In front, a germanium fuzz face. Do you think thats gonna work? Great demo😎😎
tried a 20h the other day in a shop through a Marshall 2x12, I was VERY impressed, enjoy man
James Brown cool, yeah I'm very exited😎😎 Thank you for respons and sorry for my bad english, Norwegian 😂
no,you shouldve bought a dsl and dial the gain back.its easier to take something away than to add something that isnt there and never will be.the origin series is a massive fail imo
Have you tried playing a P90 pickup through the Origin 20c yet? From what I've heard so far with demo's on youtube, the P90 sounds amazing through this amp.
Been running the 20c and a Gretsch junior jet with p90s and it sounds amazing for bar gigging.I know im a year late but id grab it.
Just traded in my dsl401 for this and i love it,a lot more "creamy" tones without the "fizz"
Plus it looks amazing!
Just my opinion and ears of course.
Trocou um jcm2000 ? Eu tenho esse jcm2000 e estou pensando em pegar esse marshall origin , mas continuar com o dsl por ser hi gain
Hi Leon great vid as always!
I’m looking for that superlead or even jtm45 sound at lower less face melting levels. Interestingly I have an empty bluesbreaker 2x12 combo that I am hoping to retrofit with the guts of an origin 20c if I can find one cheap enough. What are your thoughts on this conversion and do you think it would be an improvement over the 10” (even if the 10” had a decent speaker change) also I haven’t yet seen one in the flesh and am wondering if the control panel is the same length and width as the jtm45/bluesbreaker. Random af questions I know but your input would be greatly appreciated. Cheers legend.
12 inch speakers rule! no idea about the dimensions unfortunately.
no worries mate, I’ll have to go check one out in the flesh and measure it out. Im also playing a vintage strat that Tim at MT has done an outstanding job with. How bloody good is he!
Dangit i want the 20W head now. I saw Headfirst mods if one want to make it full Plexi. Dunno one might get very close anyways. Awesome demo!
Sounds great, I bet a Eminence Raging Cajun or Jensen Mod 10-70 would rock in this. I am looking at getting the head version, I want a compressed clean sound, would this have a pleasant clean sound?
A Ragin Cajun would almost double the volume of this amp, outrageous sensitivity. Do it.
Blackmore plays Burn in the open position.
Sweet! How does the Origin compare to the Vintage Modern? Listening on my computer it sounds a bit like the VM on LDR with the "tilt" control replacing the "detail" & "body". Thoughts?
That's a fair comparison to make; detail and body on the VM work like high treble/normal on a jumpered JTM/Plexi and Tilt pretty much does that on the origin. The open back cab and 10 inch speaker are a huge factor in the overall tone on the combo obviously, but they do compare well overall.
I like how it sounds turned off in the intro)
What tuning is he playing at 3:33? Cheers
Holy shit this guy has a modded microphone : ) How do we know if this amp sucks with that ribbon mod? Cheers
great to see another aussie review, aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi
Hey, I'm trying to decide between this amp and a Fender Blues Jr. I really like both of them a lot and usually just play at home so i dont need an amp with massive wattage. Which would you recommend the Blues Jr which is $1400 NZD or 20C which is $1000?
Having a really hard time deciding as I like them both
What style of music do you like to play? I used to gig with a Blues Jnr and it was a killer amp with a Tubescreamer in front of it for a boost. You could use the extra $400 to buy some pedals to really bring the origin to life.
Leon Todd I play anything really mostly RHCP, the Black Keys, blues and rock so something versatile would be good. I have an electro harmonix east river drive which I love. I was thinking even getting a 12" speaking and putting it in would help
probably too late lol but this has more headroom than the blues junior but does not have a reverb
Si può usare anche con un basso oltre che con la chitarra? Saluti.mario.
Mega Music? --You're in Perth? No shit! I've been going through your videos the last couple weeks figuring out what high gain amp to buy for the studio I'm opening a couple suburbs over next month. :-)
Might have to have you through for a colab :)
Let's do it!
What is plexi got to do with anything as all it is is the panel being not brushed but plexiglass looking does that magically make it worth more it's a simple cosmetic thing right?? Let me know why it ( sounds better than brushed panel ) hype or what?
so the Tilt knob is like a Presence knob ?
Can you have your Neck PUP be clean sounding while the bridge PUP is dirty and crunchy by adjusting the tone/vol on the neck PUP?? its only one channel right??
I've watched that many Amp vids I'm absolutely confused which one to buy.
An Axefx
Best demo so far. But this is really just a Chinese plexi with a Marshall logo on it. Can anyone tell me why I shouldn't just buy a Bugera 1960?
Try them side by side and choose whatever sounds best ;)
Awesone demo....subscribed! Do you prefer this over the dsl40?
Thanks for the sub. They're very different tools; this is perfect if you want a single channel amp and to gain stage with pedals, the DSL is more a plugin and go amp.
Very nice review.
Do you have the volume on your guitars all the way up?
yes
@@LeonTodd Great. Thanks!
Leon, could you do a comparison between this and a vintage modern? I think their tonal circuits are designed to be similar, correct?
I'm waiting fit the Origin heads to arrive so I can demo them. I'll definitely do a comparison with the VM when I do.
Nice video, man. Hey, why didn’t you turned the gain to 10? Does it sounds bad?
In 3 o’clock I didn’t feel the gain as a Marshall.
I just liked it more at 3 with my guitars.
is the 20watt enought for rehersal with a band?
Excellent demo, sounds good for low gain tones, but it’s not going to knock my Orange OR15 out of the rotation. Thanks for posting!
Cheers for the feedback; the Orange stuff is hard to beat no matter what!
How do you feel it stacks up next to the 2266? I'm torn between one of these and the VM combo
The VM is a far more versatile and powerful amp with 12 inch speakers so it's going to nail your classic Marshall stuff.
Yeah, from what I can tell, the VM is just physically authentic, not sure what the guts of these Origins are like, though. I know you did a bunch of videos on the 2266 recently and I was also wondering how you find it as a bedroom practice amp? I keep reading that it can sound pretty good at lower volume levels?
The VM definitely sounds best with the Master past noon, but it does sound sweet at low volumes.
PPS: could you get a 12" speaker in there?
Sorry guys, I´ve been a marshall player since the early eighties and been looking for THAT vintage tone in a smaller and lower powered amp since the early nineties.
Have I found it?
Yes.
The Peavey Windsor Studio.
Upgrade tubes/valves, upgrade speaker, upgrade output transformer if you feel you have to ( and you´re especially anal-retentive about such things), do whatever you like to it and it will love you for it and ask for more spank.
My favourite amp is still my early 90s Marshall 30th. Ann. amp,- love it forever, but all of these small wanna be Plexis or wanna be Modern Vintages ( which by the way is a GREAT amp - even for metal ) simple don´t cut it.
The Peavey Windsor have them all beat.
It just doesn´t say Marshall on the tin,- so I guess it doesn´t count.
Might have to track down a Windsor and do a shootout with my Marshall's ;)
ive had a jcm 800,a jcm 900,a dsl40 and this sounds like total shit
It's sounds a bit anemic. Doesn't sound high end, or like it's built with great components. Did it feel a bit prosumer?
It was pretty solid; the 10 inch speaker isn't everyone's cup of tea, so I shot another clip using a 4x12 that will be up soon.
Leon Todd At that point, why not just get a fucking amp head instead of a combo with extension speaker? I play with combo amps because I don't want to crank up to 100W and don;t want to carry all that gear around. I do not understand why you would get a 4x12 for your combo amp. It sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
How the heck can you draw such a conclusion listening to an amp through UA-cam? Go and try one...
Something doesn’t sound right . Maybe the youtube chopamatic slice and blend algorithm .
Sounds too thin Mine arrives tomorrow . 🤔
Maybe you're not digging the tone of the 10" speaker on the combo?
its great with boost,an theres never enough distortion, but you dont have to use it..
On the way
Thx
Seems like a great looking novelty amp.
Do you like Origin20C more than DSL20C?
I think the DSL is great, The origin is good with distortion pedals, but the DSL is thunderous
TBH I think the DSL is way more up my alley than this
Other demonstrations I’ve seen say this amp lacks the bass response that the 50 watt model has with 12” speaker. Is that right?
Doctor Skull Well wouldn't you imagine that a 12 inch speaker had more bass response than a 10? Kinda like how daytime has more light than night time?
Are 20 watts enough for playing in a band? Or should I buy the 50c origin?
Get the 50 if your playing it with a drummer
@@Boogieplex no need to
i own the 20 watt amp and cranked with humbuckers playing next to a drummer blows the drummer away completely, if you need to you can mic it up too
@@stephengreaves9771
That is true. Looking back at my comment ive no idea why I recommended the 50., the 20 watter i had was insanely loud. Probably was suggesting for the headroom in case he runs pedals. But still,the 20 watter rocked with a 4x12.
Wouldn't it have been easier to have close-up shots of controls instead of talking about them? just an idea ;-)...
also, while you demo the master controls with respect to the volume levels I think you forgot to level down the input signal to your mic, 'cause at full blast all I could hear in my headphones was a fart ;-(... the les paul sounded fantastic though. otherwise a great video, thanks!
Maybe you need better headphones?
When you adjust the power to the lowest setting (3w) is it still too loud for a bedroom / apartment or the lowest will be ok?
If you want to play with some overdrive, and want that overdrive to come from the amp being cranked, it's probably too loud for an apartment. But if you're willing to reduce the amp gain a bit and use an overdrive pedal instead, you're probably good.
Maybe have the comparison with JTM45 one day? It would be interesting!
I'm waiting on a Head to shootout with a JTM45 and VM.
It will be awesome!
Leon how close is the origin in tone and gain to the vintage modern? Trying to decide if I should continue hunting for a VM or If I can instead snag the 50 combo origin. Thanks!
Both the Origin and VM (low dynamic range) can do the Plexi/JTM45 thing pretty well. The VM high dynamic range gets into modded Marshall territory and has way more gain than the Origin. To me the Origin is an affordable JTM/Plexi style amp designed to take pedals where the VM is like a Plexi with all the cool mods already installed.
Leon Todd thanks for the quick reply man, its a tough call they seem pretty similar. I definitely want some gain on tap, Im into the higher gain plexi tones into jmp or 800 territory, so it sounds like my intuition was right and Im gonna have to go with the VM... Or maybe eventually both 😁
Stereo!!!!
Leon Todd picked up a VM NOT DISSAPOINTED!! That thing is incredible man, pretty much two amps in one!
So stoked to hear! The VM is a gorgeous amp, and as you said it's like two amps in one :)
Is marshall amp cant play clean tones? Really dont know about it, cause almost all review i watched is more about distorte tone. please have an answer for me thanks 🙏
Yeah they can, it's just most people associate Marshall's with crunchy tones.
@@LeonTodd ohh.. i get it, people like the break up point on the marshall which is good i assume ( i still dont have chance to try amp directly), if its good for clean i might get a little calm haha... Thankyou for the answer, well playing style and techniques Leon!