Oberyn did a huge amount of stuff in his life. So as far as the combat side of things I'd say that 1 Monk and then 3 Battlemaster 3 Assassin is good for the poisoning and giving you what you want in terms of combat mechanics but I'd also add on to that Lore Bard with the remaining levels he takes being in Battlemaster. He did train with an astonishing amount of people and founded one of the largest and most successful mercenary companies in the setting.
monk: spear is a simple weapon = monk weapon, you can use dex with it (put that spear master feat in the mix) - I would go for a monk / fighter (battlemaster) build
Oberyn is definitely a complex character and background would be difficult to narrow down. He traveled extensively, he studied as a Maister, he was a mercenary. So not so straight forward.
How about Monk, rather than Fighter. Way of the Open Hand has abilities that mimic the maneuvers, and it definitely leans towards the speed/agility versus brute force. Also, his armor wasn't anything like plate or maile. It looked like leather to me... Open Hand and a couple levels of Assassin fills in most of what he shows us.
@@AdrianLParker yep. It's a trade-off. If you want to use a spear as dex based, you have to go primarily monk and use the fighter levels to round it out. Otherwise it's Str and going fighter.
Oberyn is definitely manipulating his spear with great Dexterity whereas in a film like 300 we see the Spartans using Strength tactics for their thrusts.
I really thought you were going to put in Swashbuckler(Rogue) levels just because of the Panache and the other feat that lets you add CHA to your initiative( the Mountain v. The Red Viper battle)
The only way to really make him is in pathfinder 5e is a little limited when created specifically such a diverse character as Oberyn. I would like to point out that his so called show boating serves a much greater purpose than just showing off. It was intended to intimidate the mountain to keep him at a distance and the talking served to throw the mountains fighting rythem off.
Two minor disagreements: 1) if he has non-fighter levels, they would be in Rogue-Swashbuckler rather than Rogue-Assassin. he might poison people, but he is hardly a hired killer - he treats it as an art, rather than a science, as a professional would. On top of that, there is no indication that he has a heavy first strike; rather, he probably scores sneak-attacks *all* the time, and being able to add Charisma bonus to initiative is all about Oberyn and his showboating. 2) I would put his Wisdom at no higher than 10. He might have proficiency in Perception, but he is certainly driven by his emotions, and lacks a bit in the common sense and good judgment department.
Agree with your first point, and in spite of his obvious lack of judgement in that fight, id probably go for a 13 in wis and a level in monk... to allow a Dex spear fighter. Love the idea of Swashbuckler though.. (now i have to figure out how that would work if at all with a spear...)
+zippyfreak *Definitely* agree with the monk assessment- it's the only way to legitimately build the dex-based fighter that Prince Oberyn was. -Nerdarchist Ryan
I figured he could just get a custom feat that allows him to sneak attack with that spear. It goes against RAW, yes, but giving him the 13 Wisdom to make that possible goes against the character as depicted in the series.
Boris Stremlin I tend to avoid custom feats when building characters (even "inspired by" chars) Simply because I want to be able to play at any table without too much effort. But if your DM is cool with that.. Then no reason not too 😊
I like it :) As we talked about on twitter, then a monk level could make the spear a dex based weapon :) though Oberyn is fighting in armor, so the monk trick wouldn't really work ;)
With the recently released UA for Fighter that contains Samurai archetype, and the new season 5 of Samurai Jack announced a little while back, could you guys D&Dize Samurai Jack
I think you could go a little higher on Monk, I don't have the PHB handy, but I'd go the point at which you get access to movement and dodging as a bonus action... maybe 4 Monk/4 Fighter, giving you Spear Master, Martial Adept, and the Pole-arm Master feat... or maybe a stat increase rather than Pole-arm Master? -Nerdarchist Ryan
Nerdarchy Weirdly, Polearm Master says nothing about Spear (just Pike), and Monk gets Evasion at 7th level. If gestalt is an option: Monk 1/Battle Master 19//Ranger Hunter 20 (Favored Enemy: Six-Fingered Man... I mean... Mountain) and Ranger gets some forms of Evasion (not as powerful as a true Evasion).
Great build I'm just under the impression that thematically it doesn't quite fit Oberyn. To me a monk who is able to manipulate Ki has a lot of self-discipline and and an inner calm most beings do not possess, and Oberyn has neither from my point of view.
Noble Rogue3, monk2, fighter3?? Rogue, Inquisitive from the Gothic Heroes UA. Using his Insight to give him sneak attacks. Monk for the Dex to spear and unarmored defense Fighter for the maneuvers or the feat maybe.
Perhaps go swashbuckler instead of assassin, and make extra use of that charisma, and get more sneak attacks (I know you need finesse weapons). I would definitely allow spears to be finesse, but I can see that you want to stick with the vanilla rules for this.
You could go Dragonborn, just say she looks human. That would give her fire resistance. You could re-flavor her dragonborn breath weapon as one of her pet dragons unleashing the attack. That would have worked for when her dragons were small and on her shoulder. Now that they are huge, I don't have a clue. Rafael P. P.
Just my 2 Cents, but I would go slightly against the show in favour of mechanics, and would drop a level in monk 1st to allow him to use Dex Spear, before going fighter for the rest, possibly some rogue (but only if swashbuckler). As a human, (before Adding +1 to Dex and Cha) Starting Stats i'd give him would be Str 10 Dex 15 Con 12 Int 10 Wis 13 Cha 13 So yeah more wisdom that he probably deserves, but a true spear master then :)
The average length of spears used in ancient battles that weren't pikes was between 6'-7'. So I'm guessing that they are thinking of long spears being the average european spear and the normal spears being chinese length or african throwing spear length.
Well, I was jsut curiously looking up Oberyn (pron. Oberin) Martell for DND cuz I reeeally want to DNDize him in one of my campaings and wanted t osee some suggestions, wasn't disapointed :D But, I'm thinking, rather than 3 levels in a class for poison or 1 lvl in monk for Dex spear, isn't it just easier if you talk with the DM to you know, "bend" the rules a bit? I mean it is a tabletop game where everything is possible and the DM is the God :D
Dave, quit watching so much Star Trek Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. You are getting Oberyn Martell confused with Transporter Chief Miles O'Brien. LOL.
Dave's pronunciations are the best. "Prince O'Brien" had me dying, lol
Who is this Prince O'Brien person they keep referring to? :P -Nerdarchist Ryan
O'Brien might be a Cú Chulainn, but he is more of a Str spear fighter xD
hahahahahaaha I was thinking the same!
LOL!
Oberyn did a huge amount of stuff in his life. So as far as the combat side of things I'd say that 1 Monk and then 3 Battlemaster 3 Assassin is good for the poisoning and giving you what you want in terms of combat mechanics but I'd also add on to that Lore Bard with the remaining levels he takes being in Battlemaster. He did train with an astonishing amount of people and founded one of the largest and most successful mercenary companies in the setting.
In the book Oberyn does use a shield
monk: spear is a simple weapon = monk weapon, you can use dex with it (put that spear master feat in the mix) - I would go for a monk / fighter (battlemaster) build
Oberyn is definitely a complex character and background would be difficult to narrow down. He traveled extensively, he studied as a Maister, he was a mercenary. So not so straight forward.
If it helps, in the book Oberyn uses armour, a helm and a shield with his spear. Justifies a strength based fighter more, I suppose.
How about Monk, rather than Fighter. Way of the Open Hand has abilities that mimic the maneuvers, and it definitely leans towards the speed/agility versus brute force. Also, his armor wasn't anything like plate or maile. It looked like leather to me...
Open Hand and a couple levels of Assassin fills in most of what he shows us.
You definitely hit the mark with the Chief Prince O'brien, The Red Viper of Transporters build.
If you want to use a spear with Dexterity, a single level of Monk can do it.
I just used a Homebrew feat that allows you to use your Dex instead of Strength with Versatile weapons
That would require no Armour right?
@@AdrianLParker yep. It's a trade-off. If you want to use a spear as dex based, you have to go primarily monk and use the fighter levels to round it out. Otherwise it's Str and going fighter.
Oberyn is definitely manipulating his spear with great Dexterity whereas in a film like 300 we see the Spartans using Strength tactics for their thrusts.
I Could see him as a Fighter/bard with the whisper college. Watching the show he seemed like he had a few secrets up his sleeve...
3 levels of Bard (college of swords), 3 levels of Rogue (Swashbuckler) the rest in Fighter (battlemaster)
Should do The Mountain to complete the set haha
I really thought you were going to put in Swashbuckler(Rogue) levels just because of the Panache and the other feat that lets you add CHA to your initiative( the Mountain v. The Red Viper battle)
There is a new unearthed arcana on the fighter, wondering if u guys can cover that. It has some quite interesting archetypes
he did spend time as a Gladiator you could say he's the variant entertainer
The only way to really make him is in pathfinder 5e is a little limited when created specifically such a diverse character as Oberyn. I would like to point out that his so called show boating serves a much greater purpose than just showing off. It was intended to intimidate the mountain to keep him at a distance and the talking served to throw the mountains fighting rythem off.
Use monk for dex bonus on spears... but that's just me.
I definitely think he has some Kensei Monk in him.
Two minor disagreements: 1) if he has non-fighter levels, they would be in Rogue-Swashbuckler rather than Rogue-Assassin. he might poison people, but he is hardly a hired killer - he treats it as an art, rather than a science, as a professional would. On top of that, there is no indication that he has a heavy first strike; rather, he probably scores sneak-attacks *all* the time, and being able to add Charisma bonus to initiative is all about Oberyn and his showboating.
2) I would put his Wisdom at no higher than 10. He might have proficiency in Perception, but he is certainly driven by his emotions, and lacks a bit in the common sense and good judgment department.
Agree with your first point, and in spite of his obvious lack of judgement in that fight, id probably go for a 13 in wis and a level in monk... to allow a Dex spear fighter.
Love the idea of Swashbuckler though.. (now i have to figure out how that would work if at all with a spear...)
+zippyfreak *Definitely* agree with the monk assessment- it's the only way to legitimately build the dex-based fighter that Prince Oberyn was. -Nerdarchist Ryan
I figured he could just get a custom feat that allows him to sneak attack with that spear. It goes against RAW, yes, but giving him the 13 Wisdom to make that possible goes against the character as depicted in the series.
Boris Stremlin
I tend to avoid custom feats when building characters (even "inspired by" chars)
Simply because I want to be able to play at any table without too much effort.
But if your DM is cool with that.. Then no reason not too 😊
I would also say he deserves the Mobile feat.
I like it :) As we talked about on twitter, then a monk level could make the spear a dex based weapon :) though Oberyn is fighting in armor, so the monk trick wouldn't really work ;)
I would do straight monk or monk multiclass with either Rogue, Fighter, or Bard.
awesome thanks guys ;)
Paladin of Vengeance.
With the recently released UA for Fighter that contains Samurai archetype, and the new season 5 of Samurai Jack announced a little while back, could you guys D&Dize Samurai Jack
well thought out, i like
Can you guys make a video about the Brynden Rivers AKA the three eyed raven? (not while he's stuck in a tree ofc.!)
Great stuff guys
Can we please get Bronn and The Hound
Best warriors in the setting IMO
And they still hanging in there
My version would be: VHuman (Feat: Spear Master, Skill: Poisoner's Kit) Noble Monk 1/Battle Master X.
He would have:
Spear - d8/d10 with Dex.
Unarmored Defense.
Multiattack (Max 3)
Maneuvers.
Action Surge.
Second Wind.
Poisoner's Kit.
I think you could go a little higher on Monk, I don't have the PHB handy, but I'd go the point at which you get access to movement and dodging as a bonus action... maybe 4 Monk/4 Fighter, giving you Spear Master, Martial Adept, and the Pole-arm Master feat... or maybe a stat increase rather than Pole-arm Master? -Nerdarchist Ryan
Nerdarchy Weirdly, Polearm Master says nothing about Spear (just Pike), and Monk gets Evasion at 7th level. If gestalt is an option: Monk 1/Battle Master 19//Ranger Hunter 20 (Favored Enemy: Six-Fingered Man... I mean... Mountain) and Ranger gets some forms of Evasion (not as powerful as a true Evasion).
Great build I'm just under the impression that thematically it doesn't quite fit Oberyn. To me a monk who is able to manipulate Ki has a lot of self-discipline and and an inner calm most beings do not possess, and Oberyn has neither from my point of view.
Rylan Joran First level of Monk has no Ki...
How about making him a Monk?
What about an expertise merit to allow him to substitute the dex bonus versus str
Noble Rogue3, monk2, fighter3??
Rogue, Inquisitive from the Gothic Heroes UA. Using his Insight to give him sneak attacks.
Monk for the Dex to spear and unarmored defense
Fighter for the maneuvers or the feat maybe.
Perhaps go swashbuckler instead of assassin, and make extra use of that charisma, and get more sneak attacks (I know you need finesse weapons). I would definitely allow spears to be finesse, but I can see that you want to stick with the vanilla rules for this.
Prolly he can have a special feat for that, instead of straight spear master.
Just take the attributes of a great sword and give it to a spear and then also give the attributes of a Rapier and apply them together.
oh...ber...in
Good one. I'd like to see you guys DnDize Daenerys. I can't figure out what she would be.
Gregory Floriolli VHuman Noble NPC but with Fire Immunity and Inspiring Leader.
You could go Dragonborn, just say she looks human. That would give her fire resistance. You could re-flavor her dragonborn breath weapon as one of her pet dragons unleashing the attack. That would have worked for when her dragons were small and on her shoulder. Now that they are huge, I don't have a clue.
Rafael P. P.
Just my 2 Cents, but I would go slightly against the show in favour of mechanics, and would drop a level in monk 1st to allow him to use Dex Spear, before going fighter for the rest, possibly some rogue (but only if swashbuckler).
As a human, (before Adding +1 to Dex and Cha) Starting Stats i'd give him would be
Str 10
Dex 15
Con 12
Int 10
Wis 13
Cha 13
So yeah more wisdom that he probably deserves, but a true spear master then :)
How long is a long spear? The ones he used were no more than 6 feet, and he used it in one hand.
The average length of spears used in ancient battles that weren't pikes was between 6'-7'. So I'm guessing that they are thinking of long spears being the average european spear and the normal spears being chinese length or african throwing spear length.
NeflewitzInc
So a D&D spear is what 4-5 feet, and a long spear 6-7?
Considering you can throw your spear that's probably about right.
Well, I was jsut curiously looking up Oberyn (pron. Oberin) Martell for DND cuz I reeeally want to DNDize him in one of my campaings and wanted t osee some suggestions, wasn't disapointed :D
But, I'm thinking, rather than 3 levels in a class for poison or 1 lvl in monk for Dex spear, isn't it just easier if you talk with the DM to you know, "bend" the rules a bit? I mean it is a tabletop game where everything is possible and the DM is the God :D
He should mabey get a couple levels in uh knowledge cleric too he study with the master I think he has a ring
Monk with spear so he can use dex?
Ted, Paladin of Debauchery?
with ambisexuality and dual mating as bonus feats
Dave, quit watching so much Star Trek Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. You are getting Oberyn Martell confused with Transporter Chief Miles O'Brien. LOL.
What about Beric Dondarrion?
so we put tyrion at level 12 but this guy at 7, thats fucked up. just cause he died to level 17 barbarian aka the mountain
He didn't have to know anything about alchemy or poison. A noble of a great house could easily just buy a well known poison.
It is stated in the books that Oberyn studied the dark arts and poisons.
Monk?
oath of vengeance?
O-ber-N not O-bri-N
First?!?