Love how Sony is staying committed to keeping full frame mirrorless small and compact. With that said the small zoom range is a deal breaker for me as I have had the Sigma 16-28mm f2.8 before but returned it for the 16-35pz (lovely travel lens).
After seeing this lens released, I question if I made the right decision for the 20-70mm f4. I did make the right decision. I may lose 4mm in the wide end but gain so much more on the long end. Both lenses are very close to the same size. Wish the 20-70 has the 67mm filter size, but hey, I have enough lenses with 72mm filter size.
@@microsofttechsupport3622wouldn't say the 14-24 would be a competitor since the sigma weighs 2x more. Defenitely competing with sigma 16-28, tamron 17-28, and to a lesser extent the tamron 20-40. Seems like they're going for the travel/vlogger market.
@@microsofttechsupport3622 I own the sigma 14-24 f2.8 and is considering switching to this lens. The weight difference alone is good enough for the switch
Right, the only advantage I can think of is the 67mm filter threat... I know that sounds stupid, but all my other lenses have that size and so you can use the same filters and use the hood on all lenses. Oh, and some people might like the aperture ring I guess. I don't, as my other lenses don't have this either so wouldn't use it here.
I am thrilled for Sony users since Sony is releasing many small and compact lenses. As a Canon user, I have limited lens options, and my professional lenses are big and heavy.
I bought a Zeiss 16-35 F4 and whilst not an F2.8, it works a treat on my ZVE1, has a more useable range, has OSS, is built like a tank and cost me £400 in mint condition. It a,so has a very nice ‘look’ for video which in many ways I prefer to the 20mm F1.8 I have.
I need a wide angle lens to replace my samyang 14mm. I'm torn between this one, or saving some money and going with the Viltrox 16mm. Thanks for the great video, I came here right away today hoping you would have your review up.
Hi, nice and informative video! Did you have the chance to get a lens profile for Lightroom yet? If not, do you use another lens's profile or correct it yourself? Thank in advance.
@@JayJayYUP Yup, those 1.2 / 0.95 lenses have become abundant. Although, they're "okay" I think. They do show that the legit lenses (eg. USD $8000 Nikon Z 58mm) do brilliantly at being ultrasharp & clear wide open.
@@rayrayg9 That's the single exception in the sub f1 aperature. And the size required to deliver it (as well as obviously insane cost), seems something no other company would dare to even try.
Also Sony Expects you to buy a FE 16-25mm F2.8 G and then also a FE 24-50mm F2.8 G. Why not just do what they already did on APSC and size the lens up and give us a FE 16-55mm F2.8 G instead
Producing an excellent performance from 16-55mm at f/2.8 on full-frame would be extremely challenging. Moreover, if the performance is sufficiently good, the lens you are looking for would tempt buyers away from the expensive FE 16-35mm F2.8 GM II (which is a superb lens). If you take into account the effective depth of field, the full-frame near-equivalent of the APS-C 16-55mm f/2.8 is the Sony FE 20-70mm F4 G.
I really hope Sony steps up their game with picture sharing, like how Nikon Snapbridge nails it. Snapbridge makes editing and sharing raw photos from my phone a breeze, and that's all I really want from Sony. Other than that, their camera lineup is spot-on.
Hello Chris, Iam working with sony full frame & apsc. Buying full frame lenses after watch your review with good performance especialy sharpnes on both system. Please keep testing on apsc system too. Thanks
@@christopherfrost you rock! I am subbed to all camera channels and when 10 same videos hit my feed, I always start with you due to your relentless consistency.
not for me, i have the 16-35 PZ which i like for what it is. this lens might be good for someone who needs f2.8 on their wide lens but then again, you have tamron & sigmas 17-28 & 16-28 both f2.8 and much cheaper. i guess this fills a gap for people who want a cheaper wide f2.8 sony lens with an aperture ring
I was just about to buy the Sigma 14-24 for real estate. But I’m getting the Sony 16-25mm instead now. The extra 2mm could be useful for interiors but the size and weight of the Sony is much better. I also want to use it for video work so smaller and lighter is welcomed.
Price is cheap when compared to other brands. Also it’s “full frame” not aps-c aps-c lenses cost way less. if canon were to bring out an f2.8 zoom it would be fat and f2.8-5.6! And a $1500 price tag. Overall big win for Sony truly best mount.
Do you plan to start reviewing micro four thirds lenses? It would be the most rich data base. I do not find any objective, standardised reviews for MFT lenses. Would love to see that on your channel.
It is not much of a challenge to make lenses smaller if they have a very limited focal length and take advantage of huge software corrections . Other makers do this as well particularly in m43 land but I feel Sony is going a bit too far with this if you look at the 20-70mm F/4 uncorrected it looks not unlike say the RX100 ranges lenses if you view them uncorrected.
Only 400 g for such a ultra wide-angle lens means that there are obvious software corrections. You can clearly see it from the loss of quality at the edges and let's say that 1500 euros is a lot for this lens
The vignette and barrel distortion especially is almost criminal, particularly on the wide end. Software corrections aren't free. You're obliterating resolution like crazy when you do this.
first thing .Open this review and the older 16-35mm F2.8 GM mkii. We see the value of the GM for those corners on the wide end. For half off. The trade off is worth it. For those planning to use it daily I think the GM maybe would the extra coin.
totally agree and yesterday get my new 16-35 GM II and now i see this and probably 16-35mm GM I and 16-25 G can be in same level on image quality with extra 10mm what is better for travel nad price probably for both is similar as well !
The distortion at 16mm is really insane… and 16-25 is not a very useful range, if 16-35 and 14-24 lenses are available. I would understand it if it would be f/2.0, than it may be interesting.
Thank you for the great review. It seems to me this lens is not only half the price of the GM II, but the focal range is also only half as useful. This lens is definitively not for me.
This is why I love APSC (A6700). For my use, I can carry the amazing Sigma 18-50, and have almost the same range as both the 16-25MM and 25-50MM that an A7C would need. Yes, full frame is better in dark and bigger pixels bla bla bla. But im not a pro. Just a hobbiest that wants a good camera thats not attached to a cell phone.
Feeling like a lost penguin in a sea of lenses, huh? Can't decide between this lens and the Sigma 14-24mm, the one that's like a kid in a candy store with its wide-angle goodness? Decisions, decisions!
@@cinegenies4651 Ah, the Sigma 14-24's sharpness is like stumbling upon the most tantalizing girl in the neighborhood. She's got that undeniable allure that makes you feel like you absolutely must have her, even though you're already hitched. Can you feel the lens's heartache, longing to capture that forbidden fruit?
@@RiceCake-ep9gu Guess what? Today I snagged a Sigma 70-200! Then, I bumped into this lens pro while eyeing the Sigma 14-24. He had me second-guessing, saying, 'It's an old lens, good for photos but slow for videography.' What is your comment, since you have experience with Sigma 14-24?
I'm not sure I see the appeal on this one. With a zoom less impactful than switching it into crop mode, the money feels like it'd be better invested into a 16/1.8.
I mean I doubt cropping the 16mm would be anywhere close to as sharp as shooting the zoom at 25mm. It’s just your classic primes vs zooms debate. I lean to primes but they can’t replace a zoom.
And lose 50% of your linear resolution? No thanks, I'll stick to zooms when I need a zoom. Zooms and primes cannot replace each other, they both have use cases in which they are superior.
mate usually i trust your videos but really this lens is too expensive for that what it give !!! 9mm zoom - corners are pretty bad even on f/5.6 and contrast is terrible !!! for more than 1000 pounds and do high recomendation for this lens was mistake !!! i think 16-35 GM I can be better than this or same for same money and extra 10mm for zoom and much better option for travel !!! this is extra weight and extra cost for someone who cant say bye bye for 24-70mm lens !!! i say bye bye for all lenses to get 16-35 GM II and that is best option for travel and specially for landscapes just perfect focal lenght but with this 16-25 will be need change lenses all the time to get 35mm and how i see from experience too many times exacly on 34mm or 35mm was good shots !!!
Kinda lame review man. You’ve shown apsc before on full frame lenses in reviews. Why stop all of a sudden? Just seems kinda off from other videos I’ve seen of yours.
Well, why would someone want to buy a £1,250 16-25mm f/2.8 full-frame lens to use on an APS-C camera, when they could get a more compact 16-50mm f/2.8 APS-C lens for less than half the price? Also, are you saying that this entire review is "lame" because I didn't include that piece on information?
@@christopherfrost ask yourself the same question. You’ve shown 2000 dollar full frame lenses on apsc in the past . So you’re question seems kinda counter productive to your argument.😂
Chris never mentioned "due to the effects of diffraction" ..... I need to go and lie down.
Well, at least he said "sixteenAH millimeter". ;)
haha by now he should have a tshirt with that qoute...
Love how Sony is staying committed to keeping full frame mirrorless small and compact. With that said the small zoom range is a deal breaker for me as I have had the Sigma 16-28mm f2.8 before but returned it for the 16-35pz (lovely travel lens).
Why have you returned the Sigma? Was something wrong with the quality? Thanks in advance!
After seeing this lens released, I question if I made the right decision for the 20-70mm f4. I did make the right decision. I may lose 4mm in the wide end but gain so much more on the long end. Both lenses are very close to the same size. Wish the 20-70 has the 67mm filter size, but hey, I have enough lenses with 72mm filter size.
As soon as I get the product announcement email from Park Cameras, I turn to your UA-cam channel.
Thanks for the review Chris and the fun outro music!
Great review as always. I'm staying with my FE 20MM F/1.8
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Tough sell against the Sigma 16-28mm, surely?
And it’s also the same price as the Sigma 14-24 2.8
@@microsofttechsupport3622wouldn't say the 14-24 would be a competitor since the sigma weighs 2x more. Defenitely competing with sigma 16-28, tamron 17-28, and to a lesser extent the tamron 20-40. Seems like they're going for the travel/vlogger market.
@@microsofttechsupport3622 I own the sigma 14-24 f2.8 and is considering switching to this lens. The weight difference alone is good enough for the switch
Right, the only advantage I can think of is the 67mm filter threat... I know that sounds stupid, but all my other lenses have that size and so you can use the same filters and use the hood on all lenses. Oh, and some people might like the aperture ring I guess. I don't, as my other lenses don't have this either so wouldn't use it here.
That distortion is pretty rough…
I am thrilled for Sony users since Sony is releasing many small and compact lenses. As a Canon user, I have limited lens options, and my professional lenses are big and heavy.
Loving the smaller lenses 🙌🏼 I’m over carrying around huge heavy lenses.
Do we now have 2/3 of a new compact zoom f2.8 zoom trio? 16-25, 24-50 . . . What’s next? 50-85?
50-85 would be too limited to make sense. Better be at least 50-100.
50-75mm 😅
Probably a 50-65 & a 70-85…
I bought a Zeiss 16-35 F4 and whilst not an F2.8, it works a treat on my ZVE1, has a more useable range, has OSS, is built like a tank and cost me £400 in mint condition. It a,so has a very nice ‘look’ for video which in many ways I prefer to the 20mm F1.8 I have.
I LOVE THE HYPER DISTORTION AT 16MM! SONY IS KILLING IT!
Hi 👋👋 how is the photo sharpness compare to 16-35mm GM ? thanks 🙏🙏
I need a wide angle lens to replace my samyang 14mm. I'm torn between this one, or saving some money and going with the Viltrox 16mm. Thanks for the great video, I came here right away today hoping you would have your review up.
Viltrox 16mm f1.8 is amazing
Hi, nice and informative video!
Did you have the chance to get a lens profile for Lightroom yet? If not, do you use another lens's profile or correct it yourself? Thank in advance.
Hmmm, Ive gone and got the 16-35mm PZ lens. I think im okay with that, this isnt that good at 2.8 and I like being able to zoom to 35mm..
how would say corner sharpness is compared to the 16-35GM MKI
I am curious if next time, for example, there will be a 50-100mm.f.2.8 lens in the same size as the first two in the series?
Hello Chris, I would like you to review the Tamron 17-28mm, a famous zoom lens that I want to add to my bag
@4:00 "Same situation as f16" I think it is "...as at 16mm" 😀
Hey great German music at the end. Greetings from Munich😄
@ Chris where exactly is this church 1:16 Ive been meaning to ask as I wanted to visit it myself
me too
This lens is kind of similiar to the Panasonic 10-25mm f/1.7.... would be nice if we got Chris to do some M43 lens reviews.
Is there a recent lens that isn't sharp in the middle wide-open? It seems so commonplace now, even from third parties
Basically any third party full frame f1.2 and faster aperture lenses. They're soft across the entire frame.
@@JayJayYUP Yup, those 1.2 / 0.95 lenses have become abundant. Although, they're "okay" I think. They do show that the legit lenses (eg. USD $8000 Nikon Z 58mm) do brilliantly at being ultrasharp & clear wide open.
@@rayrayg9 That's the single exception in the sub f1 aperature. And the size required to deliver it (as well as obviously insane cost), seems something no other company would dare to even try.
I wish it started at 14 or ended at 30. Not sure if this is good or the sigma 14-24 2.8
I do admit I was waiting for the APSC test for curiosities sake. 😅
I'll stick with my laowa 15 for wide stuff
Could you do a review on the xf 2f lens?
I'm seeing a 'massive barrel distortion' trend with all of these mini Sony G lenses.
Also Sony Expects you to buy a FE 16-25mm F2.8 G and then also a FE 24-50mm F2.8 G. Why not just do what they already did on APSC and size the lens up and give us a FE 16-55mm F2.8 G instead
Producing an excellent performance from 16-55mm at f/2.8 on full-frame would be extremely challenging. Moreover, if the performance is sufficiently good, the lens you are looking for would tempt buyers away from the expensive FE 16-35mm F2.8 GM II (which is a superb lens).
If you take into account the effective depth of field, the full-frame near-equivalent of the APS-C 16-55mm f/2.8 is the Sony FE 20-70mm F4 G.
I really hope Sony steps up their game with picture sharing, like how Nikon Snapbridge nails it. Snapbridge makes editing and sharing raw photos from my phone a breeze, and that's all I really want from Sony. Other than that, their camera lineup is spot-on.
Hello Chris, Iam working with sony full frame & apsc. Buying full frame lenses after watch your review with good performance especialy sharpnes on both system. Please keep testing on apsc system too. Thanks
Aside from size and weight, what's the point of this? Doesn't Sony make 4 other lenses in this range and speed?
hows it possible Chris has not reviewed Tamron 17-28 2.8!? was looking to compare the reviews as its closest competitor...
I'll send Tamron an email, see if they have a spare copy I could borrow :-)
@@christopherfrost you rock! I am subbed to all camera channels and when 10 same videos hit my feed, I always start with you due to your relentless consistency.
not for me, i have the 16-35 PZ which i like for what it is. this lens might be good for someone who needs f2.8 on their wide lens but then again, you have tamron & sigmas 17-28 & 16-28 both f2.8 and much cheaper. i guess this fills a gap for people who want a cheaper wide f2.8 sony lens with an aperture ring
Thanks Chris!
Just tempting…
I thinking selling my heavy and big Sigma Art 14-24 right now…
I will not sell my sigma 14-24mm because I need sharp corners in my photos.
I was just about to buy the Sigma 14-24 for real estate. But I’m getting the Sony 16-25mm instead now. The extra 2mm could be useful for interiors but the size and weight of the Sony is much better. I also want to use it for video work so smaller and lighter is welcomed.
@@Amcacs5654 Other choise will be pay more money for the 16-35 GM II. But a lot more… thats the problem.
I just wished it was a 15-25 at least! Why duplicate Sony? We have 4 Zooms starting from 16mm!
Price is cheap when compared to other brands. Also it’s “full frame” not aps-c aps-c lenses cost way less. if canon were to bring out an f2.8 zoom it would be fat and f2.8-5.6! And a $1500 price tag. Overall big win for Sony truly best mount.
Do you plan to start reviewing micro four thirds lenses? It would be the most rich data base. I do not find any objective, standardised reviews for MFT lenses. Would love to see that on your channel.
It is not much of a challenge to make lenses smaller if they have a very limited focal length and take advantage of huge software corrections . Other makers do this as well particularly in m43 land but I feel Sony is going a bit too far with this if you look at the 20-70mm F/4 uncorrected it looks not unlike say the RX100 ranges lenses if you view them uncorrected.
really should have internal zooming at this price point
I lament manufacturers' reliance on digital corrections. Even with corrections turned on, I can still "see" the distortion.
Only 400 g for such a ultra wide-angle lens means that there are obvious software corrections. You can clearly see it from the loss of quality at the edges and let's say that 1500 euros is a lot for this lens
I aint adapting
The vignette and barrel distortion especially is almost criminal, particularly on the wide end. Software corrections aren't free. You're obliterating resolution like crazy when you do this.
I guess this lens is aimed at vloggers, would landscape photographers really use a 16-25mm? The difference between 16 and 25 is pretty small.
0:21 excuse you, my dad is the Sony CEO and he said G stands for good idea
first thing .Open this review and the older 16-35mm F2.8 GM mkii.
We see the value of the GM for those corners on the wide end.
For half off. The trade off is worth it. For those planning to use it daily I think the GM maybe would the extra coin.
totally agree and yesterday get my new 16-35 GM II and now i see this and probably 16-35mm GM I and 16-25 G can be in same level on image quality with extra 10mm what is better for travel nad price probably for both is similar as well !
I would take this over my 16-35 F4 PZ. Not my favorite lens
Reminder: Viltrox FE 20mm f/2.8 is under $200 and amazingly good 👍
The distortion at 16mm is really insane… and 16-25 is not a very useful range, if 16-35 and 14-24 lenses are available. I would understand it if it would be f/2.0, than it may be interesting.
This is nice focal range for apsc but the price is not so nice 😊
Keeping my 17-28.
14-35mm f2/2.8 with IS …. Now that would have been something .
1.5 kg over 3000 usd
Thank you for the great review. It seems to me this lens is not only half the price of the GM II, but the focal range is also only half as useful. This lens is definitively not for me.
you forgot image quality same only half !!!
Is Canon ever going to announce something new? Idk a new R5 maybe lol
Oh wait canon has a more wider zoom lens a rectilinear one ooopss
I feel like at least they could have pushed it to 28 to cover city shots and street. Weird range. High price.
thanks for great sharing 😍😍👏👏
They n eed a zoom that starts at 14mm that can take filters. Everyone but Sony has one now.
FE 18-20.5 next please))
This is why I love APSC (A6700). For my use, I can carry the amazing Sigma 18-50, and have almost the same range as both the 16-25MM and 25-50MM that an A7C would need. Yes, full frame is better in dark and bigger pixels bla bla bla. But im not a pro. Just a hobbiest that wants a good camera thats not attached to a cell phone.
The equivalent range to 18-50 on A7C would be 28-75.
@@quikee9195 True, and I have that lens also. Tamron 28-75 G2 is amazing.
You would also need the Sigma 10-18 to match the range of those Full frame lenses.
@@Bayonet1809 Tamron 11-20. And I have it. My kit is 11-20, 18-50, and 70-350. With camera, it all fits in a 13L sling bag.
This VS Sigma 16-28mm comparison with title “pay more for shorter range” will be interisting even though I can’t afford either of them 😂
Tamron 17-28 is half the price used. This lens was a waste
Sigma 16 28 comparison with Sony g 16 28
I don’t like the new aputure ring on the new Sony lenses 😢
An expensive lens for sure, but it’s a better situation than for Canon users, who are practically begging for a fast zoom lens for less than $2000.
Feeling like a lost penguin in a sea of lenses, huh? Can't decide between this lens and the Sigma 14-24mm, the one that's like a kid in a candy store with its wide-angle goodness? Decisions, decisions!
It all depends on your need for those 2mm. 14mm is very wide and you have to need it, if not go for a 16-28 ou 16-25mm !
@@cinegenies4651 Ah, the Sigma 14-24's sharpness is like stumbling upon the most tantalizing girl in the neighborhood. She's got that undeniable allure that makes you feel like you absolutely must have her, even though you're already hitched. Can you feel the lens's heartache, longing to capture that forbidden fruit?
@@RiceCake-ep9gu Guess what? Today I snagged a Sigma 70-200! Then, I bumped into this lens pro while eyeing the Sigma 14-24. He had me second-guessing, saying, 'It's an old lens, good for photos but slow for videography.' What is your comment, since you have experience with Sigma 14-24?
I'm not sure I see the appeal on this one. With a zoom less impactful than switching it into crop mode, the money feels like it'd be better invested into a 16/1.8.
I mean I doubt cropping the 16mm would be anywhere close to as sharp as shooting the zoom at 25mm. It’s just your classic primes vs zooms debate. I lean to primes but they can’t replace a zoom.
And lose 50% of your linear resolution? No thanks, I'll stick to zooms when I need a zoom. Zooms and primes cannot replace each other, they both have use cases in which they are superior.
Das Lied am Ende :D
With a 1400€ pricetag in Europe, this lens has no placein the current market.
to be honest, the price tag is nearly at the level of it being G master... $1200 for a G lens? heck NO
This lens is about 60% the price of a FE 16-35mm F2.8 GM II.
Sigma surpasses in all aspects, from price to quality . That distortion seems like a huge bump on the photo 😂
Remember 14-35L gets bashed for digital correction.... Now Sony does the same and not many complain
@Broskisnowski no. I'm referring to the double standards people have "young kid"
The Canon came out first, so it gets all the hate, people are used to it now, so the Sony gets none.
Don't care.... I want info on the Viltrox 135mm 1.8
This is a review channel, not industry news/rumor site.
What a crazy price for such a boring lens!
If you think 16-25 is boring, don't look at the 24mm GM prime
@@G95G95he never said anything about the 24mm, so what is your point exactly?
Crazy price if ur broke
@@MonicaHolly143 Recently I've bought 16-35 GM v.1 used for about the same price, and I think that is a much more interesting lens for the money.
@@БольшойБратухин so ur just a used lens guy no wonder u said that lmao
Sony is running out of idea? Such a small zoom range, who will buy this lens? Hahaha if they wanna shoot wide they rather pick up sigma wide lens
With that softeness I would not pay for it even $500.
Distortion 😂
Tiny range that doesn’t need a “bright” aperture”, also a ridiculous price.
Basically the third of its kind on this mount but with double the price
2.8 is not bright by any mean hahaha
mate usually i trust your videos but really this lens is too expensive for that what it give !!! 9mm zoom - corners are pretty bad even on f/5.6 and contrast is terrible !!! for more than 1000 pounds and do high recomendation for this lens was mistake !!! i think 16-35 GM I can be better than this or same for same money and extra 10mm for zoom and much better option for travel !!! this is extra weight and extra cost for someone who cant say bye bye for 24-70mm lens !!! i say bye bye for all lenses to get 16-35 GM II and that is best option for travel and specially for landscapes just perfect focal lenght but with this 16-25 will be need change lenses all the time to get 35mm and how i see from experience too many times exacly on 34mm or 35mm was good shots !!!
overpriced
the annoying music is nightmarish
Kinda lame review man. You’ve shown apsc before on full frame lenses in reviews. Why stop all of a sudden? Just seems kinda off from other videos I’ve seen of yours.
Well, why would someone want to buy a £1,250 16-25mm f/2.8 full-frame lens to use on an APS-C camera, when they could get a more compact 16-50mm f/2.8 APS-C lens for less than half the price? Also, are you saying that this entire review is "lame" because I didn't include that piece on information?
@@christopherfrost ask yourself the same question. You’ve shown 2000 dollar full frame lenses on apsc in the past . So you’re question seems kinda counter productive to your argument.😂