An undying and unnecessary argument. Regardless of what the amime says, I genuinely don't understand how Kid Buu alone is stronger than Super Buu with Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan (the literal strongest non fused character) absorbed
Exactly!!!! It breaks the story entirely as then it means that Buu gets weaker when absorbing people which makes 0 sense and that Goku and Vegeta got magically 100s of times stronger in between Buuhan and Kid Buu. Even when only having the most basic understanding of storytelling, tells you that Buuhan is the strongest. Idgaf about any statements that say otherwise.
@@kulo4912 Gohan is the strongest unfused fighter in Z. He was able to take on Super Buu, while Goku shat his pants. Additionally, it was stated Goku was equal to Fat Buu, so that statement alone makes him stronger.
At least buuhan had Vegito struggle a bit with the vice shout that's pretty impressive. It's vegito I mean most expect to lose when facing him no shame in that
It's funny, I always liked Kid Buu BECAUSE he wasn't as strong. I thought it was very unique that the final boss' edge wasn't some upper limit of raw power, but his seemingly unlimited STAMINA. The other Buus, even Buuhan, grew fatigued during their prolonged battles. Kid Buu's like the energizer bunny from hell, he just keeps going and going and going and going, while just strong enough to be incredibly dangerous when combined with his stamina and completely unrestrained personality.
Fr, he's the perfect mix of factors that make him up. Sure he isn't as smart on paper as Good Buu or picollo Buu, but he's so unorthodox and unhinged no one can predict or counter him like they can with the others. You can't trick him with a self destruct, etc. He's a great final boss, it's just in terms of stats he isn't as strong as a cocktail of everyone on earth and himself
He's the DBZ equivalent of fighting a homeless man on crack, sure he's not the strongest guy ever, but he's violently unhinged in a way that's impossible to predict or restraint
Good god... FINALLY! Finally I get to see my opinion shared by someone else. That's the main reason why I find DBZ finale to be this good. I just love how Toriyama sensei took us off guard by deciding to get back to more reasonable power levels and managed to make a weaker version of Buu to be the perfect candidate for the last battle. Made everyrhing like Vegeta's sacrifice to buy time, Goku and Vegeta asking for everyone's help, the Genkidama from everyone so much more meaningful.
@@Neverend117 notice how they always have to go as far as using a bunch of nonsense guides and secondary sources and have to twist and distort the narrative all sorts of directions just to backup their Kid Buu stances....bro all we're literally doing is using the manga and common sense, no extra additives...💀
It's not entirely their fault. Villains, at least in DNZ era always escalated in power as the show progressed. It's just that SuperBuu/Buuhan has the strongest fighters up to that point absorbed, except Vegito and has better feats. The problem with them that I have is they think Kid Buu is stronger AFTER getting everyone ripped out of him. Kid Buu is only more 'dangerous' because he's unstable and didn't think twice about destroying the planet. He can't really be reasoned with. And while destroying a planet 2 seconds after he wakes up does make him dangerous, it's not necessarily impressive. Planets getting blown up was always a ki blast away even early on in Z
@@webbiefade14 Yea pure filler and random assumptions / baseless claims like goku got astronomically stronger lol. Also ironically guides like dragonball forever and el manga legendario openly say kid buu is weaker then super buu but kid buu fans will ignore it
@@webbiefade14im arguing with someone on ig about this right now he started talking about god ki LMFAO which us so false because if kid buu WAS using god ki goku would not have been able to sense his energy
Finally! More people need to watch this video. Yeah, Kid Buu is more dangerous because there's no reasoning with him but Buuhan is just another level of power entirely.
This debate's been going on for 30 years, this video will be added to the long list of videos and threads making the exact same points, and the debate will start again in 10 minutes. Buuhan is the strongest, good day to you all.
@@Jason5818UI goku and vegeta literally needed to fuse to defeat buuhan, while ssj3 goku was keeping up with kid buu but just didnt have the stamina to win. how the hell is this a debate dude
One thing you messed up on in the video that actually works in your favor: That Toriyama interview you quoted, That wasn't Toriyama speaking, that was the interviewer. The only thing that interview proved is that the interviewer thinks Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu. Toriyama himself had no word on the topic or any of the characters, he just simply amswered the interviewer's question
@SuperKamiGuruu no he doesn't. He answers the general question. The characters that the interviewer mentions were completely irrelevant to the actual question
@@brandonbggonzalez3273 That’s just ignorance, do you understand the context of “he’s more dangerous?” Kibito and Old Kai were speaking in reference to the new ability and power that Buu gained when he reverted to his original form. How would be “more dangerous” if he was weaker than his other forms. Also Toriyama has never once corrected the fact of Kid Buu being superior Buuhan. He had a hand in the original anime, guides, DBKai, and Dragon Ball Kakarot. All of these sources imply Kid Buu is stronger than.
It's crazy how nobody here seems to acknowledge that Dragon Ball Super hard confirms that once Kid Buu spit out Fat buu, He retained the Grand Supreme kai's god ki that was previously being sealed inside fat buu. This has huge implications
Even if he has god ki, it's overrated considering regular universe 6 saiyains with no god ki at all contended with Goku in the TOP who's had massive experience with whis training methods and such.
Super Buu can not access God ki due to kaio shins having no effect on him except making him weaker. His power was restrained because of the Grand Kai good influence that made him weaker.
@@legendary5733 it made him less crazy not weaker. Also if you are admitting that super buu also has the grand supreme Kai absorbed that would also mean he has god ki. He might not be able to access it but he certainly would have it.
@@webbiefade14 You're just saying that with no evidence. The only times Goku and Super Buu were face to face were when Super Buu was absorbed with somebody. Goku laughed at Buu with Piccolo absorbed and Buu was scared so he resorted to absorbing Gohan. Before all that Goku was ready to square off with Buutenks so we don't know how far that would have went but reasoning would give it to Buutenks. Kid Buu and Buuhan are the only forms of Buu that had Goku against the ropes all your other things about Super Buu vs Goku are all false speculation with no evidence.
@@transcendsociety132 You sound like somebody that has never read the manga before lmaaoo you want evidence? Evidence #1: Goku immediately suggests fusion right after telling Vegeta that they are no match for Super Buu. He never mentions one word about size or any strength disadvantage, because he doesn't know about it at that point Evidence #2: The only time they learn that they're at a strength disadvantage is when super Buu goes inside of his own body and confronts them and actually tells them about it....which is well after Goku made the statement to Vegeta So that right there is all the proof you need Evidence #3: Goku laughed and powered down because there is no more need to fuse because Gohan was now stronger than Buu again, hence as he says "GOHAN can beat you now". He never intended on fighting Buu, otherwise why tf would he power down when he had the clear-cut opportunity to destroy him if he actually had the strength to do so 👀👀 see how that doesn't make sense? He was leaving the fight up to Gohan because Gohan was the only one strong enough to face Buu. But sure tell me more about how you are another victim of the English dub mistranslations and took it as law lmaaoo Evidence #4: Even in the anime it had Buutenks absolutely dogwalking SSJ3 Goku....lol. He was begging Gohan to hurry up and find the earring while buutenks was on his tail lmao
@@webbiefade14 You're right I haven't read the manga in it's entirety but only watched the anime and some of the viz books. That doesn't change anything though as I can still look up the information needed on the internet for the context of parts of the story. Evidence #1 & #2: I'm not too familiar with how the events pan out chronologically in the manga, but that doesn't change the fact that they were underpowered anyways. I'll look into this to see if it's true but considering Kid Buu is flat out stated as the strongest in guides and narrative statements in the story, if things occurred in that order then it's a retcon of Super Buu's power later in the story narratively speaking. Edit: Or it might be a strangely conveyed way to show the dangers of inside Buu's body that they would need fusion to traverse through it even without the mention of power levels but idk I didn't write the story Evidence #3: Goku only came back to help Gohan vs Buutenks. If Gohan could take on Buu with Piccolo absorbed on his own, then Goku's job is done. I don't think you can comprehend storytelling well but Goku throughout the Buu saga was letting others fight to take his place if they were capable hence Gotenks and Gohan taking on Buu. Goku whether it's the manga or anime is commenting on his power being a dissapointment and Piccolo slowing down his power, that's not something you would say to someone stronger than you. Evidence #4: So the anime is only valid when it suits your false narrative of the story then lol. And Buutenks didn't dogwalk Goku like you suggest, he had the upperhand maybe but Goku wasn't helpless or 'dogwalked' like you suggest just because he landed 1 or 2 strong hits and Goku also had some offense himself, that fight didn't narratively change anything substantially compared to its manga counterpart which means nothing. Kid Buu 'dogwalking' a full power SSJ3 Goku is a more valid statement as it got to the point where Goku couldn't fight any longer as apposed to the short skirmish that was Buutenks vs SSJ3 Goku in the anime. I didn't even suggest Goku would win vs Buutenks if you could even read. My main point is that Buuhan and Kid Buu were the only 2 examples where it leaves no doubt both from actual scenes and a narrative standpoint that Goku was fighting a losing battle, as Buuhan is the only time Goku is running away when he has the chance to fight as a SSJ3, and when he does fight a full battle as a SSJ3 vs Kid Buu he loses decisively. Also Elder Kai suggested fusion again in the final battle vs Kid Buu but after Goku and Vegeta decided they would rather not fuse both of the Kai's were losing their minds. If Kid Buu was not equal or greater than Buutenks or Buuhan then fusion would not be suggested and Goku would not have made a big deal out of deciding not to fuse. If Gohan was able to beat Kid Buu in any sort of way, why wasn't he brought in at anytime in the battle to secure victory? Especially when Goku is weakened, bringing Gohan in would be a no brainer especially considering the fact Goku suggested himself that Gohan and Gotenks try to fight Kid Buu. And we've seen in the past Goku is not afraid to admit when Gohan is much stronger than him in previous sagas but when perfect timing presents itself for the supposedly much stronger Gohan to save the universe like he did vs Cell, he is an afterthought to a much stronger alternative in the spirit bomb.
@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato Buutenks, who knows his original form is Kid Buu, states that he is the most powerful that Buu has ever been. Buuhan eclipses Buutenks in strength. GG. Even in the anime, Goku says that him and Vegeta would he slaughtered if they tried to fight the standard Super Buu. Then proceed to rock-paper-scissors who 1v1s Kid Buu. Goku then fights mostly evenly with Kid Buu in SSJ3, despite him scaling below Super Buu.
Characters can be arrogant and narratively kid buu was not even wrote yet when buutenks said that The narrator A non biased actor in the story said kid buu is the most powerful buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato Dude, look... it doesn't matter how hard you try, these people will never listen to reason... they just like Buuhan's design more so they desperately wank him to be stronger than Kid Buu who stronger.
The fact that this debate still exists boggles my mind. I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion after reading/watching it up until that point.
It's directly stated that kid buu stronger Manga anime or even toriyama's own mouth Only thing that ever thought buuhan was stronger was fan belief Evidence wise, Nothing supports kid buu being weaker then super buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkratobro is just lying lol No way is kid buu even touching buuhan lol, like the only reason you thought kid buu is stronger is because he’s technically deadlier because his no thought just kill thing lol While buuhan like cell only cares about being the strongest and testing out his power against others, while kid buu only wants to destroy frame one…which he did lol
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato no…no it’s not…, Little bro actually thinks this??, freaking wild lol You realize that if ultimate gohan was saved by Goku from kid buu’s planet burst, then he’d absolutely curbstomb kid buu by himself lol You know the same gohan that gets wrecked by buutenks lol
I feel like Kid Buu's intro in the anime sets this up pretty clearly. Any of the Buus had more than enough power to destroy the earth (not even a high benchmark by DBZ anime standards), but only one of them is unhinged enough to just go straight for the kill and nearly end the show with his first move. None of the "base" forms of Buu are shown to be much stronger than the previous, but they get progressively more dangerous because of their personalities.
How is this even a debate? Goku was pleading with Vegeta to fuse with him cause Buuhan was too strong for him to fight by himself. In the manga and the anime, Goku himself said fusing with Vegeta was the only way to beat Buuhan. On the other hand, Goku didn't need to fuse to fight against Kid Buu. Hell, Vegeta thought Goku could kill him in his SSJ3 form if he built up enough ki. Logically that means Buuhan > Kid Buu. If you don't believe me, just look up ch 503 of the manga and episode 54 of Kai 2014 for the Buuhan stuff. For the Kid Buu parts those would be ch 510 and episode 62.
Writing isn't inconsistent, it's kinda poetic in sense how last villain of z had lower battle prowess in general but that immortality of pure evil only to be bested by bring in forth the people of earth willingness to protect planet which was spirit bomb itself which had missed every shot it had throughout the beginning of z
Super Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo and becomes stronger (goes from losing bad to Gohan to potentially beating Goku and Gohan senseless 2v1). Buutenks then absorbs Gohan and becomes stronger. Buuhan then has Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo, and Good Buu ripped out of him and _loses_ power. From that escalation alone, Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan. "But Goku beat the clone Gohan, so therefore he just got stronger after fusing into Vegito and defusing!" Even after he beat the clone Gohan, Goku was still scared of fighting _base_ Super Buu. If that Gohan was really equal to Ultimate Gohan's power, and Ultimate Gohan smacked the taste out of Super Buu's mouth, then Goku would beat Super Buu easily (and he saw Gohan packing up Super Buu, so he would know if he were stronger than Gohan that he would be able to demolish Super Buu). Unless you say Super Buu somehow became stronger than Buuhan, despite him _losing_ power when the absorbees were removed. "Toriyama said the most powerful villains were the smaller ones!" He said that the most powerful _characters_ are often the smallest ones _of the bunch._ First Form Frieza is smaller than Final Form Frieza, yet is weaker. Larval Cell is smaller than Perfect Cell, yet is weaker. What he means is in a group of various characters within an arc, he likes making the smaller, more unassuming one the strongest, like Frieza vs his henchmen or Kid Goku alongside a bunch of bulky adult warriors. "Kid Buu was stated to be the strongest by XY or Z!" And so was Buutenks, who said he was the strongest version of Buu despite knowing that he was originally Kid Buu. Vegeta was also stated to be the strongest warrior in the universe back in the Saiyan Saga, yet he literally worked under Frieza. They always hype up the most recent antagonist because that's what Shounen does. Like how they hyped up Broly as the most powerful warrior when DBS Broly came out, only to backpedal and start talking about Jiren again once Super Hero came out. They aren't going to hype up Kid Buu by ending the episode with "Goku now has to fight the ultimate version of Buu, who would also be the most powerful if not for Super Buu, Buutenks, and Buuhan!" Same as how they called Cell a "God of Destruction" with "infinite battle power" in the anime, only for him to be packed up by a 9 year old with _very_ finite-coded power.
1. Super boo did grow stronger by fighting Vegito, saiyans grow stronger by fighting stronger opponents official dialogue and boo has 3 Saiyans inside him with ALL their abilities 2. Goku blasted Super boo senseless they simply couldn't kill him which is not an anti feat. 3. Kid boo needed a spirit bomb With the maximum amount of energy in the universe to be defeated he out scales based on feats.
@@ACertainMankid buu got blown to pieces by the planet explosion, this would imply his durability isn't planetary. Their durability can be a lot lower than their dmg output so that's an awful point. No evidence of buu getting stronger and zenkais were nonexistent at that point. The last point was due to the fact he was pure evil so it was the greatest weapon vs him. Stop coping buuhan > kid buu unless you somehow think kid buu can beat a base vegito from literally a few hours earlier
@@h4nda. Buuhan can't beat base Vegito so your entire premise is false. Second of all why should boo bother strengthening his body when he has the best regen in the franchise third of all headcanon on the spirit bomb, that spirit bomb is simply the maximum level of energy in the entire universe as stated in Daizenchuu.
@@ACertainManem no, Buuhan si podia vencer a Vegetto base, la pelea entre ambos fue un invento del anime, en el manga Vegetto se transforma en super saiyan al instante.
True and not remotely an argument that older fans should need to have, i see a lot of Super lore being tossed in the comments but we don't mix our food with trash in this house.
The problem is in the manga, which is LITERALLY WRITTEN BY AKIRA TORIYAMA... its 100% clearly stated and pointed out that Buuhan is far stronger than Kid Buu. Its the same story in the Japanese anime.... The wholeeeee issue stems solely from the fact that in the ENGLISH DUB, which is notorious of being wrongly translated and has many bad and inconsistent translations through the whole anime there is stated somehow that Kid Buu is stronger.. so now american fans because they know nothing else than English Dub claim that Kid Buu is stronger... Goku SSJ3 could have beaten Kid Buu if he wasn't drained of power, yet he stated him and Vegita have no chance against Super Buu. Its just ridicilous that some people even argument this.
@@robertrainford6754 He's not lying. Super Boo said he is the strongest Majin of all, past and future. This is the same Boo who was aware of kid Boo's existence, as shown when he told Vegeta not to remove fat Boo or else he wouldn't be himself anymore.
@@robertrainford6754 No, that was just with Gotenks and Piccolo. Not Gohan. Seems it's your memory that needs to be called into question. And remember, your argument was made against this thread that says Boohan is stronger than kid Boo.
@@DigitalWraith I’m not arguing kid buu is the strongest form of buu. It’s obvious super buu with all the z fighters who are absorbed are stronger especially gohan. The video implied normal super buu is stronger which wouldn’t be the case with how dragoball works. It wouldn’t make sense. Kid buu is the strongest non-fused buu. Goku not wanting to fight super buu was more because he had other options, a kid buus spirt bomb feat puts him above base super buu. Genki by the way is far more powerful than a normal ki blast. Why do you think tien tri-beam was able to inflict damage on somebody like cell who was massively above tien? Even the most basic dragonball fan knows ki attacks that use life energy are more powerful
Actually it’s the other way around lmao. I used to believe Buuhan > Kid Buu and Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku until I read more forums with actual receipts from source material instead of listening to fans who wanna head canon power levels. People who believe Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku or Super Buu stronger than Kid Buu do so because it seems more ‘cultured’ but no direct evidence states these things it’s only assumptions based on how fights occurred during the Buu saga.
@@ragercarnage8609 Yeah, it's ok to research and analyze the series but just admit you were wrong. I preferred Ultimate Gohan over SSJ3 Goku and I still kind of do but when I see clear cut statements for the narrative of the story I'm not gonna be a fanboy for a character to the point I'm trying to change the canon.
@@transcendsociety132 where are the receipts then? Unless you count filler material, there is more to say ultimate gohan is stronger and that buuhan is also stronger. For instance, when they're cutting out the people inside buu and the very same super buu who fought gohan comes inside to confront them, goku and vegeta both argue about the potara vegeta destroyed and goku verbatim says the potara was their way of defeating super buu. You can look up the chapter 502 and see it yourself. If he was stronger than ultimate gohan, he'd have no reason to be so panicky about the potara having been destroyed, because ultimate gohan basically no diffed super buu. Why would a stronger ssj3 goku believe the potara was their best chance at beating buu? This also follows with the buuhan vs kid buu stuff as well. A goku who has no confidence in beating a super buu, much less a buuhan, but having more confidence beating kid buu just doesn't mesh with the idea that kid buu is stronger than buuhan. Vegeta even says ssj3 goku could easily defeat kid buu at full power, but he clearly didn't think the same with the inside buu. Again, where are the receipts? Is it just filler? I genuinely want to know. I've read the manga in its entirety, particular the buu saga recently, and i really dont see how this can be debunked with the manga or the anime unless you think what is basically fanfiction has more authority over the actual story itself.
For that interview, the blue part is actually the interviewer. Toriyama says the strong ones don’t always get stronger and bigger. Meaning kid buu wasn’t the strongest lol
Goku was confident Pre training SSJ Gotenks (around SSJ 3 Goku level) could beat Fat Buu. Super Buu is much stronger than that it took post training SSJ 3 Gotenks to match or slightly edge out Super Buu. Gohan was stronger than that. Goku wasn't touching either of them.
they were arrogant after gaining new power and were also judging based on his size. that's not an anti feat bc they are proven wrong and goku admits this😭
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@ldariusd21 no worries man, they’re Kid Buu fan boys that think Statements > Feats but kid Buu couldn’t pull a universe busting feat even when his life was on the line. Out of character for a reckless character not to do.
For Kid Buu > Buuhan to even be possible, you'd have to believe that absorbing people was against Buu's best interest and handicapped him, and you'd have to believe that Goku had surpassed Vegito after defusing and doing... nothing It's as simple as if SSJ3 Goku = Fat Buu then, Super Buu > Fat Buu, and if Gohan > Super Buu and SSJ3 = Kid Buu then Super Buu > Kid Buu. Literally every time Goku came face to face with any form of Super Buu he'd shit himself and "I can't Beat that guy"/"We cant beat that guy" except when he was speaking to Gohan.
It's not that simple, because SS3 Goku is not equal to Fat Boo, he is clearly more powerful than him. Goku only said one time that he couldn't beat Super Boo, and that was to not offend Vegeta's pride. Toriyama said Kid is stronger, the Supreme Kai in the Jap dub said he was stronger. Boos power went up when he reverted to Buff Boo, and we know that absorbing the Kai's weakened him, therefore Kid Boo is stronger than Buff Boo, who is stronger than Super Boo.
what I don't get is if we're talking base to base, Kid Buu is stronger. But Kid Buu fans only want to talk about him fighting Buuhan. Like, sure Goku is super strong, but he isn't gogeta. So why do they want to compare a base level buu to a fusion?
@@binaryboopsva Because of “the agenda”. They like Kid Buu more so they blindly accept contradictory statements and bad scaling to make it seem like their favorite version is the strongest iteration of the character.
@@Hyperslayer_X there's this dude i've been arguing for days on end who implies the wrath of the dragon movie is a good way to indicate the "writers" intended on ssj3 goku being the strongest. the dude also admitted he prefers the OG Z (he only backtracked on this after i told him it had filler) and the guides over the manga, the purest form of the canon. Kid buu > super buu (not even buuhan sometimes) are genuinely the most ignorant kinds of db fans. I know we don't have a great reputation, but i have a feeling these are the sorts of people who make the community collectively lose more iq points. Can't say im all *that* much better since i shouldnt even be interacting with these people, but its like watching a dude scoop up water with a cup that has a hole in it. Its mind numbingly painful
@@manipulatortrash Same. I really shouldn’t be interacting with these anime-only glazers, but it’s hard when they keep pushing misinformation that supports their agenda/favoritism.
I think it's saying a lot when Goku doesn't mess around with Buuhan and instantly transforms from Base to SS3. Usually he takes his time to go max power by dragging the fight or when he wants to show off and talk himself up, but with Buuhan, dude literally panic transforms.
The anime is filler there's no mention of Kid Buu being stronger than all other Buus in the Manga only dangerous and that's obvious cause he's child like with no intelligence fr. Full power ss3 Goku is stated to be stronger than Kid buu by Goku and Vegeta but he couldn't go full power cause he wasn't used to ss3 in his newly revived body which was using to much of his energy. Only anime only watchers think Kid Buu is the strongest Buu and even most of them Know kid Buu isn't the strongest but Buuhan is
DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" *But But But They chose to fuse for Buuhan!* " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) *SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu* ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
@@webbiefade14 That dude loves to copy paste the same comment on Kid Buu vs. Buuhan vids regardless of context. Typical Dragon Ball fan who only watched the anime and knows nothing about the original/authentic manga experience.
Kid buu vs Any form of Super Buu is like the "blue or gold dress" question of Dragon Ball. Everything says Kid Buu is way weaker then Super Buu but there's just a couple of people who stubbornly refuse to believe Kid Buu is the weaker of the two no matter what.
Yeah canonically Kid Buu gets beaten like a baby. It was the Anime's horrible power scaling that made Kid Buu 'The Strongest Buu' even though that was NEVER Akira's view of Kid Buu's strength except for him being the most dangerous
@@ACertainMan Yeah but Kid Buu was different. Other than Frieza and Cell who blatantly are stronger in their final forms, Kid Buu was anything but that. Kid Buu was Super Buu but even weaker since he lost Fat Buu. In Akira's manga, Kid Buu was only the most dangerous Buu not the strongest. But of course Toei would go along and make Kid Buu the 'strongest' Buu when even scaling wise that makes zero sense since he would be stronger than Buuhan who by their filler once again, was able to land only one good hit on Vegito in base form and was so immensely strong that Goku and Vegeta had no other option but to fuse. Hell, in the Manga, Goku even acknowledges how dumb it was for him to not fuse with Vegeta again due to how powerless Super Saiyan 3 was against Buu.
@@joelgaynor Cell lost 18, he still powered up further. After they took the fat boo from super boo his power was stated to INCREASE not decrease. Boohan scales nowhere near Vegito as Vegito was Supressed, if Vegito wanted to Boo would have turned to atoms in 1 hit. Goku is weaker than kid boo as per your own words kid boo was toying with him and even Goku said that
@@ACertainMan Yeah that's what I'm saying. Kid Buu is stronger than Goku. But Buuhan is stronger than Goku, Vegeta, Gotenks and Gohan. Buuhan legit absorbed 2 Super Saiyan 3 level characters and one that was a bit stronger than Super Saiyan 2. And yes, Kid Buu's power did increase after losing Fat Buu but that is not relative to Buuhan who had Buu and some more.
@@ACertainMan straight facts he only decreased in height not power these buuhan stans just won't accept the truth that kid buu is stronger especially when he spit out fat buu
I'm just gonna be the one to finally say it... the Daizenshuus SUCK. They are just as bad for the health of this community as Super's power scaling. The amount of times I've heard "yeah but this thing in a secondary source contradicts the Manga, so the SECONDARY source is correct" is just maddening. Just grab any "Official Power Level" chart/list from the Daizenshuu and see how long it takes you to realize its stupid... bc if you make it past like 3 characters without going "wait, what? That cant be right!" then idk what to tell you. If those things were accurate, almost every fight in the series would be 5 seconds. The math makes no sense, which then leads to fans applying the only multipliers than can possibly make those levels make sense... which then leads to more theories and hypotheses which are then clung to like gospel.
Want an example? Kid Goku's stated, "official" power level is 5 in at least 1 Daizenshuu. So the same kid that ate Bulma's bullets for breakfast is equal to the Farmer from Z. Fact check me. Go ahead.
@@NoName-cz3wn tbf, pl is about "ki " Goku is a saiyan so generally his natural "body strength" Would be potent than of a human so ki wise he's weak even when they tried to break from pilaf castle goku at best was able to shoot a lil hole through it with his Kamehameha so i guess that's reasonable
@@ohhellwhereami2574 idk, I doubt that farmer, even _with_ his shottie, was putting a dent in Pilafs wall. And yes, I know PL refers to ki, but ki is what determines who wins fights nowadays. That's why UI and UE are so beloved... bc they're the only transformations arguably ever that don't just amount to "bigger number". But as you surely remember, there was a time when skill and heart determined fights. Then Frieza happened, and Toriyamas attempt to break power scaling thoroughly instead made fans care about it even more 😮💨
@@NoName-cz3wn yeah but ki was a revolutionary concept at start of db so it makes sense ki usage wouldn't be common tbf ue and ui are beloved because they are just another hype of series nothing else it already is formed on the basis of previous concept if anything but nothing wrong with it
@@NoName-cz3wnFalse Equivalence; Goku’s a Saiyan boy, Farmer With a Shotgun is a human. Saiyans have been said to tank the Extinction Bomb which annihilates planets. That probably explains why goku is normally resistant to gunfire.
If anyone tells me that Kid Buu is the strongest version I know they don't know anything about much. How the hell can Kid Buu be more powerful than Kid Buu + Everyone else. Even if it was just Mr Satan that he absorbed he would still be stronger since it would be Kid Buu against Kid Buu + Mr Satan. Yet for some reason this crap is still up for debate after 30 f'n years
Exactly! Even base super buu is far more powerful than kid buu. Like he says in the video the gray buu is essentially kid buu level and by absorbing the fat buu he becomes stronger as super buu
What's makes this even better is that in both anime and movie of Battle Of Gods, Goku specifically says that even fusion (Referring to Vegito from the Buu saga or a current Vegito) still wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus. This is basically saying that Goku NEVER reached any level of Vegito at all in the past or in the current timeline (until Goku attains Ssj God).
Im pretty sure goku knows simple math he can estimate the difference this vegito would make in general by gauging his power growth throughout those days But i always think he meant, bothering himself with fusion is futile in itself because they would nver fuse again neither known about the dance which takes about decent bit of rehearsal to aim right which is not possible in mean time
Exactly, and they try to “Debunk” him getting stronger which is just stupid. DBS Mentions multiple times that saiyans are getting stronger during their battles, after their battles, and after recovery. Vegeta made that abundantly clear during his battle with Granola. He brought it up during the ToP, and brought it up during Namek. SSJ4 Goku says this. First Form Frieza says this as well. And It’s stated numerous times. Trunks also stated that Saiyans get stronger when fighting each other than training themselves. Vegeta was said to have gotten stronger after being revived in the guidebooks, and during Namek he even mentioned that his power increased after being wished back. (Same thing would apply with Goku) Old Kai gave 1,000 of his life energy to Goku, which not only restored him, but increased his power at the same time. That explains why he was stated to be weaker than Ultimate Gohan Pre-Wish, but perform better against Buutenks Post-Wish; manage to somewhat hurt Buuhan (he scratched him on the cheek); Literally beating Clone Gohan himself who is stated to have the power of the original (Not filler); Clash with Super Buu inside Buu (Though in SSJ with Goku saying he can destroy him, but can’t due to him being immortal); and he was stated by Vegeta to have a different league of power. Only arguments Buuhan fans have so to either use out-of-context and misinterpreted statements, or deny the existence of power growth from battles. (And also deny kid buu statements while immediately taking in face value of Buuhan’s statements)
let’s not act like there aren’t at least 8 statements saying kid buu is the pure majin, the. strongest majin, the original and strongest form, and let’s act like akira toriyama didn’t confirm kid buu was the strongest
You can also bring up the fact that Final Form Frieza is more dangerous than Super Saiyan Goku, yet Super Saiyan Goku is more powerful than Final Form Frieza.
Hell you deadass said everything I said in my Buuhan VS Kid Buu video lol I feel like using logic and understanding that the anime is over hyping the fight, it's not that hard to understand Kid Buu is not the strongest
Did everyone forget when Buuhan almost destroyed the universe in one go? Kid Buu couldn’t do that, even when his life was on the line against the Spirit Bomb? Also Buuhan fought base Vegito(or didn’t in the Manga). Base Vegito who is unanimously above SSJ3 Goku? The Goku who fought well against kid Buu or Gotenks Buu?
the spirit bomb was made up of the universe's and hell's energy😭. Buuhan also got slapped by base vegito, you callling that a fight is crazy. Goku only fought well due to kid buu ALLOWING him too. it's confirmed he's holding back and the strongest in multiple guides
@@hystor1c it was stated by the narrator and Buuhan himself that Buuhan and Vegito were equal. Also Buuhan never showed panic in front of base Vegito. And how come kid buu wasn’t able to pull a universe busting feat like buuhan? It’s not like his life was in danger right? Can kid buu not fight for his life? Also you still didn’t address my Base Vegito > Ssj3 Goku yet ssj3 Goku did worse against buutenks (who is weaker than Buuhan).
It absolutely blows my mind that this is even a discussion. I knew from the first time watching the Buu saga when I was 12 years old that Buuhan was miles above Kid Buu in power. I truly don't understand how people can come to the conclusion that Kid Buu>Buuhan. It makes no sense whatsoever.
ight gng a lot wrong. First off you comparing vegito to goku is pointless as kid buu was holding back for a fight. this is stated literally. Kid Buu is also called the strongest alongside goku in the daizenshuu SEG, Chozenshuu, and multiple others call him the strongest. Kid Buu could also make the entire universe go poof as stated by goku. He held back a spirit bomb with gohan's energy and the entire universe and hell's energy. He's also called the strongest in super MULTIPLE times. Kid Buu is undoubtedly the strongest. You even used koyama statements which is literally debunked by the fact koyama clarified and says he's was speaking about in comparison to the other absorbed versions of super buu, he calls the "little buu" the strongest man.
Never understood this debate they couldn't even touch Buuhan without Vegito and they could both at least fight Kid Buu without being immediately beaten
I always saw gray-Boo as the wrathful side of fat-Boo that was created by his magic and rage. Kinda like fat-Boo's Yin. They are the same person, but with different morals. This explains why despite being almost purely evil, he chose not to kill Videl because she's Mr. Satan's daughter.
Koyama took back his statement the daizenshuu says a full power goku can’t beat kid buu and goku only fought kid buu bc they underestimated him due to his size and later regrets not fusing against him
Goku was worried but i bet Hurku would have been pretty good. goku's raw power and ki control with hurcuals insane durability and comic relief plot armor! plus the fusion multiplier thing.
First , Kid Buu vs Super Buu. In the manga and the manga data books, SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan were capable of utterly foddering Super Buu with ease, this meaning that Super Buu doesn’t scale to any of the new generation. (Excluding Goten and Trunks) In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod. In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan. Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu. “GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!” Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge. “SUPER BUU IS A FUSION” Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point? On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest.
Kid Buu has practically endless statements in reference to his power. Dende from the DBS Manga states that Kid Buu was the strongest opponent they faced in Z. Old Kai stating Buu is the most dangerous which is referring to his power, as Kibito states that Kid Buu lost power by absorbing power then the Old Kai states “the small one over there… is the first, most dangerous one.” Goku had said a lot things about Kid Buu they fought. “You sure are strong. Huh? More than I imagined.” “If I had known it would’ve been like this, I would have put you away for when we were Vegito.” “Damnit not even Super Saiyan 3 can keep up.” “If only we had the potara.” DBZ KAl Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous, and powerful version of himself? Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." This is all in reference to a suppressed Kid Buu before he grew stronger by spitting out Fat Buu who wasn’t trying at all with Goku or Vegeta until the Spirit Bomb. Dragon Ball Z Fact Files dictate that even though Kid Buu is the smallest and most childlike of all of the Buu's, he possesses the most power and ability in comparison to the previous versions of Buu. Koyama might have said that he thinks Buuhan is stronger but he has no actual say in the Buu Saga part of the anime and that’s just his opinion of it. Agreeing with him on this is simply an appeal to false authority. (He later admitted to Kid Buu being stronger as well) in the Manga Vegeta says that no one else in the entire Universe could fight Kid Buu. (This is him being aware of Gohan and Gotenks btw) this is further backed by multiple guidebooks claiming Kid Buu and Goku to be the strongest. Kid Buu has better feats, more statements and more creditability to him being the strongest Majin. The anime CONSTANTLY pushes the idea of Kid Buu being the strongest, even verbatim explaining that it’s “absolute” that he’s the most powerful Majin? Sounds like to me that they’re telling Buuhan supporters that he’s not the strongest, it’s not debatable. Even with the absence of the anime we can turn to the guides and we get the same results. V-Jump even explains that Buuhan is actually relative to SS3 Goku. In comparison a full power SS3 Goku is incapable of defeating Kid Buu. This paired with the fact that Kid Buu was trolling Goku the entire time throughout their fight should comfortably place him above SS3 Goku, leading us to Kid Buu > SS3 Goku ~ Buuhan.
Sigh.... "Like this" definitely meant "individually/unfused". How do we know? Because Goku suggested fusion right afterwards, and yet never said a word about their size or any strength disadvantage. Trying to twist that narrative into that direction does not work because they were only at a shrunken size INSIDE of buu's body, and Goku was trying to stop Vegeta from LEAVING Buu's body. They both knew they would go back to full size after escaping. Also, none of them knew how powerless they were inside of Buu's body until Buu went inside his own body and confronted them and told them about it, And that was well after Goku told Vegeta they were no match for him. Those daizenshuu measurements could not be more irrelevant because they were not a factor in Goku's statement at all.
Kid Buu stomps DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu what kid buu feat puts him above Buuhan? It’s not like Buuhan could’ve destroyed the universe in one go? Haven’t seen kid buu do anywhere close to that? But since you’re the “Expert” maybe you can demonstrate that?
8:42 This is why people made that Vegito power split theory topic waaaaay back in the Kanzenshuu forums that in the anime canon Kid Buu IS as strong as Toei hypes him up to be but when Vegito split up into Gokū and Vegeta in Buu's stomache, they split Vegito's power up evenly, half to Gokū and half to Vegeta, because of the Daizenshuu statements on that episode of them fighting the clones. Kid Buu is definitely and explicitly stated and meant to be weaker in Toriyama's original manga.
Ss3 Goku fights Fat Buu and Kid Buu about equally (but loses bc energy.) Fat Buu becomes Super Buu and gets slightly stronger. Super Buu gets beat by Ss3 Gotenks (fusion time runs out before finishing move) and then dog walked by Ultimate Gohan. Then Super Buu absorbs Piccolo, SS3 Gotenks (who is a bit stronger than him) and Ultimate Gohan (who is likely almost twice as strong as him.) making Buuhan about 4 times stronger than the Fat Buu that ss3 Goku fought equally against
@@Purple_23184Vegeta was stated to be the strongest in the universe but worked under frieza. Cell was stated to have infinite energy and like a god of destruction and this was in an episode not a bullshit guide but we don't take it at face value do we? It's common sense that buuhan stomps kid buu😭 Statements aren't enough
@@h4nda. so arguing against the author’s statement makes sense? Alr Einstein that makes total sense even when the author makes no reference to buuhan only kid buu but totally makes sense 🤦
Finally somebody who actually knows what their talking about and watched the show tired of all these ppl saying kid buu is the strongest buu he gets slapped by base super buu that line was purely too hype him up as he was the final facedown in Z. Their are multiple so many statements and simple ABC scaling you can do that clearly point too kid buu being weaker than every version of super buu which means he’s weaker than ss3 gotenks ultimate gohan all those characters. The only reason they didn’t bring gohan too the Kai world too kill kid buu was because they wanted earth too defend itself for once in the spirit bomb. Kid buu is the most evil and the most pure unhinged version of buu that’s it
I'll never understand how this is still a debate. Even if someone were to argue that Super Buu by himself was only as strong as SS3 Goku (which isn't true to begin with) , absorbing *just* Gohan, who is stronger than Goku anyway, would put Buuhan in an entirely different league. But he's got the power of Piccolo and the kids on top of Gohan's own. There is absolutely *zero* chance that Kid Buu is touching that if SS3 Goku alone could potentially kill him.
SSJ3 Goku is stated to be Comparable to Buuhan which is supported by the fact that he is seen going blow for blow with Buutenks (WITH NO DAMAGE ON GOKU WHATSOEVER, WHILE GOHAN COULDN’T TAKE ONE HIT); SSJ Goku was shown hurting Buuhan with a *punch* to the face when he grabbed Vegeta; Goku literally beats Gohan inside Buu; Goku straight up fights Super Buu and admits he can destroy him, but can’t because he’s immortal.
@@GokeezyTheSaiyan I don't remember Goku admitting he can beat Super Buu. He did admit that he could've killed Fat Buu but wanted to give the next generation a go at saving the world. He also stated that he could potentially kill Kid Buu if he could charge up for 1 minute and let it all out in one shot, which Vegeta would try to buy time for. I *do* remember those other scenes you're mentioning though, and they don't make any sense mathematically or narratively. The whole reason Vegito even came to exist is because Goku and Vegeta both knew that they would die if they didn't fuse (or cease to exist entirely in Vegeta's case). For Goku to be at all comparable to Buuhan, he'd somehow have to surpass Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, *and* Super Buu's power all added together. If he was THAT strong, him struggling to kill Kid Buu later would make absolutely ZERO sense unless you accept at least one of the following absurd conclusions: 1. Super Buu + Ultimate Gohan and everyone else is somehow weaker than Kid Buu by himself. 2. Goku and Vegeta got *titanic* boosts in power out of nowhere that were never mentioned, shown or even implied. 3. Absorbing Gohan and the others made Super Buu WEAKER, despite literally every version of the story saying that absorbing these people made him stronger. None of that works. Not even a little bit. The math doesn't work and it breaks multiple plot points, including Vegito's entire existence. Toei may have been pushing Kid Buu as the strongest during the final battle, but that was a screw up on their part. And that's not just me saying that. A lot of what the anime did during that section is not in the manga.
@@NineNovem buuhan is Buu strongest form....only idiots think bcuz kid Buu is final form he's strongest when as u said Gohan, Buu, piccolo, goten and trunks all together isn't going to be weaker than kid Buu... outright laughable people think kid Buu is the strongest form.
Even after all these years people cant see that Toriyama did a switch a roo of his previous work. New forms introduced and neither got the job done unlike SSJ1 or SSj2 in their introduction arcs. The tone of the arc is more fileld with gags, where it got more serious from Namek to Cell Saga. The main character comes back to life instead of dying again. The strongest villain isnt the smallest and he doesnt come last like they usually diid Gohan getting a power up only to lose. Genkidama/spiritbomb finally took down the villain for good which it didnt do in the previous arcs .
Have you see Broku's video on the topic? There are a few points there that would be interesting to see rebutted (Goku became stronger because he got his living body back, the fake Gohans and Gotenks Goku and Vegeta were fighting really were comparable to the originals, multiple statements from writers and editors about Kid Buu being the strongest and Goku being the strongest., etc.) I feel like while I don't agree, that he is technically right in several places.
The main reason why Kid buu is more dangerous than buuhan is he's unhinged. Pure chaos in the form of a tiny pink monster. He could be as strong as Frieza but he'd still be more dangerous because he's quick to blow up the planet your standing on than the other Buus and last time I checked we live here.
This is less of a power scaling discussion and more of a psychological analysis. Common sense doesn’t say “a guy who gets stronger by absorbing people is strongest… when he doesn’t absorb people…” This more so just highlights how fans will either deliberately be a contrarian or will hear something one time, take it as gospel, and dogmatically argue it to any and everyone.
Im super-certain that everybody is unaware that magna and anime filler continuation do not correlate well together and they have their own different set of canon and source materials. In the anime, kid buu was already said to be the most troublesome and strongest buu all of every versions given by Goku's statements and also followed by several offical guides some written by Tori-animations. But in the manga, thats a totally different concept of journey of where it taking place with, as Buuhan didnt had feats shown much as anime did while super buu reverting to kid buu also had different written as in manga, Goku and Vegeta can sense Buu and they made fun of him being smaller and weaker, but in the anime, Goku was literally in both amused then concerned that kid Buu in process of changing was growing stronger.
The scene in the manga is the same scene in the anime lmao Goku makes fun of kid boo in both continuities and lives to see the consequences of his arrogance.
@@Purple_23184Vegeta only does, Goku states "We can take him." Indicating his power level wasn't the same as before, Goku wasn't underestimating him, he was saying the obvious. They could beat him together, unlike Super Buu, where he wouldn't fight any version of him without fusion. While the anime does have odd statements that contradict the manga, it's still following the manga which is causing the confusion in the first place. The manga didn't give statements saying kid Buu was the strongest because he wasn't. The mere fact Goku thought he would win, and even after losing ssj3 kept saying he could've win if his SSJ3 hadn't ran out is proof in both versions that Kid Buu was weaker than super Buu. If they even cared about making kid Buu the strongest they should've changed the story to fit it instead of only making statements. That's like if me and you fight, you win but in the foreign adaptation of our fight which is more popular I say "I should've saved my energy" which changes the interpretation of the fight because I indicated that if I had my energy I would've won, nothing prior gave off that impression, it was actually the opposite; you were winning regardless, but the foreign version just changed dialogue to change the context just to do it.
@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 uh but they did lol akira him self literally indicated that kid buu is the strongest plus that stupid why the hell would he be weaker than super buu 😭 lmao not only in the anime it’s clearly stated multiple times and in the manga Akira states he’s the strongest lol tell me a db villain out side of the buu saga that the strongest form in in the middle? You see how that narratively makes no sense for the context of db… and in the manga kabito say out right says “THIS BOO IS A PURE INCARNATION OF THE IDEA OF EVIL... YES, HE GAINED A HEART DUE TO THE ABSORB-WHINE REDUCED HIS POWER...” And why are we using a weak goku at this point? It’s like saying goku did not get stronger through out this arc which is the stupidest thing ever.and goku and Vegeta literally said in the anime “Vegeta: I-is this the power those two have?! This is a whole different league!” Goku: “but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible! You're on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now! You're ridiculously strong!” Plus Akira is the most credible source since yk he literally has the free will to do what ever the hell he want with the story so arguing against the authors own words is just 😬
@@Purple_23184 Goku literally DIDN'T GET STRONGER throughout the Buu saga wym. He was literally dead in most of it and he was brought back to life. He DIDN'T get zenkais because he wasn't pushed to near death in any situation. In the manga he did not state anything to that calibur, you're making it up lol. Being pure evil doesn't mean he's the strongest, it means he's the most evil out of the buus. Super Buu literally says ultimate Gohan absorbed is the strongest he's been, know that he included kid Buu into his thought process while saying it. Super Buu is literally Kid Buu +Fat Buu, the only thing kid Buu has over super Buu is faster regeneration from being pure and more energy but not more power. Goku was literally thinking of fusing with Mr. Satan that could potentially make him WEAKER to fight super Buu bruh, dude was seconds away from fusing with him while with Kid Buu he was more confident. Even when Goku did fight Super Buu he was more worried and scared, while with Kid Buu he was more annoyed at his regeneration and energy than anything. Yes Goku and Kid Buu has a whole new league of power... Compared to Vegeta. The whole point of that section was Vegeta comparing himself to Goku and how he's always ahead of him, it's funny you talk about taking out context when you just did it. Goku saying Buu is the whole different level from the other buus is an anime exclusive line which was made to hype up Kid Buu because he was the final villain, duh You're taking away the context again, toriyama said characters with small forms are the strongest and in that list he said Frieza, GOKU, and Buu. Not I'm hoping you understand why I capitalize Goku, because kid Goku wasn't even RADITZ level, he was referring to small characters in general not that Kid Buu was the strongest.
Your conclusion is obviously correct. But you rabbled way too much on things that don’t matter. First of all, when going through debate topics, you never ever have to fight against filler and mistranslations. The confusion is purely caused by the Anime’s mistranslated lines + filler scenes, which outright state Kid Buu is the strongest. For this video, you could have quickly shown those parts of the anime, and then state the fact that none of this is canon, and show the actual lines from the manga. For example, the Goku&Vegeta vs the copy family fight inside Buu is completely filler, thus it cannot be used in an argument. To put it simply, we know how much it took to take on Super Buu and his forms; Goku wasn’t even willing to fight him and told Vegeta inside Buu that they would die if they go out without fusion. When Buutenks turned to Buuccolo, Goku specifically states ”Gohan can beat you now” confirming (if it wasn’t obvious at this point already by all the other dozen things) that Gohan is stronger than Goku, and again Goku knows he’s still no match for him but he doesn’t need to be. Then, when Buuhan was born, Goku was so desparate for even slightest power boost, that he was about to throw the Potara to Mr. freaking satan, when Vegeta appeared. That kind of desperation is unheard of from Goku unless there is absolutely no way to beat the opponent otherwise. And this contrast of not even wanting to fight base Super Buu, to liking his odds agains Kid Buu, is a drastic change in attitude, and Goku was in fact able to fight Kid Buu relatively evenly. Now, Goku did underestimate Kid Buu and admitted they probably should have fused after all, but that’s still ”yikes, underestimated this one a bit” vs ”he will kill us if we go out without fusion”, so the point stands. And because Gohan is confirmed much stronger than Goku, not only does that mean Gohan would have destroyed Kid Buu, but also that Buutenks and Buuhan are automatically stronger than Kid Buu as well. Lastly, some people try to cope with the ”different continuity” bs. No, this is not DBS. The anime is literally just the animated version of the Manga’s story, with added fillers to give the manga time to cook. Everything happening in the anime is exactly like in the manga, and everything that contradicts the manga, is either filler or mistranslated scene. That’s why in the anime there is shit like Goku stating Kid Buu being the strongest Buu, *while he’s fighting him in ssj2,* while at the same time Goku was still scared of Super Buu in the anime, and was about to fuse into Mr. Gokutan to have even 0.0001% better chance against Buuhan. You can enjoy the filler when casually watching, but when you are debating about a topic, you need to understand your canon source material.
Also, couple of points you mentioned later on. Grey Buu is not anywhere near Kid Buu level. When Grey Buu got out, their power split, similar to Kami and Piccolo. Grey Buu got more of the split and thus overpowered Fat Buu. Secondly, God Ki inside Kid Buu doesn’t change anything. That same god ki is literally in Super Buu as well lmao.
There’s a difference between the two of them, yes, Buuhan outright has more strength. But Kid Buu is way more of a threat and more dangerous because he isn’t limited by the humanity and emotions of the absorptions, and is completely unpredictable with his moves, and also doesn’t have the Good Buu In him anymore so he’s literally the embodiment of evil, he literally blew up the Earth the minute he woke up.
can't believe there's people moronic enough to think that Buu somehow got weaker by absorbing people (one of them being Gohan who's the strongest unfused character in all of DBZ)
Buu literally got resorted back to his kid self and somehow people think Buu becomes more powerful even though it just absorbed Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, and SS3 Gotenks just a few minutes ago LOL Also, we all know Buutenks would stomp both of them (I really just like Buutenks, he got drip)
I don't even think Super Buu was stronger than the Fat Buu. Every time Fat Buu got angry/serious, he IMMEDIATELY flipped the script. Vegeta was treating him like a big pink punching bag. Then Buu got mad and slapped the snot out of him. SSJ3 Goku was rag dolling him, then Buu got BIG MAD and started smacking Goku around. I think that at his most blindingly livid, at his most enraged, he shed all the mental blocks the Grand Kaioshin put in there. In that moment, he was as strong as Super Buu. But he only got that mad once and it was too much for him, so he did like Kami and Piccolo and split. ... and no, Fat Buu is not Good Buu. Just like Kami and Piccolo their power split in half. Good Buu is much weaker than Fat Buu. So was Evil Buu, he just got the lion's share of their power.
My take is that in the manga, yeah buuhan slams, but in the anime kid buu one shots. There are literally dozens of statements purely about his physical power from the anime itself and even guides/promotional material that confirms this. The manga and anime are essentially two different continuitys, toriyama had almost nothing to do with the anime, it was mostly written by toei. So statements and scaling in say, the manga, dont apply AT ALL to the anime, and vice-versa. This is why really good powerscalers will split the two up for debates, to make the weird toei ass pull power ups make sense lol.
I really don't like using in story character dialogue for arguments of who's stronger than who People in Universe can be extremely unreliable when it come to measurements of strength
Remember when Goku thought Vegeta wanted to use the Namek DB's so Gohan and the other could be revived and join the fight. Because, you know.... Gohan was massively stronger than Goku at that point. Also I see a lot of Goku got a zenkai somewhere along the line that made him stronger. Where? When? This isn't Super, there are not 'my Bulma' moments. I also believe that zenkai's in original DBZ stopped being a thing after reaching Super Saiyan. (Why did they use it more during Cell) and that it was only brought back in Super for reasons, thats neither here nor there.
One lost to a fused character (only didnt die because family and friends was absorbed) while the other got tagged by vegeta, and ssj3 goku if he had no stamina drain had the capability to beat him. Vegito in BASE is 400 times stronger then goku and vegetas full power, buuhan forced vegito actually to try a bit during that scream he did that had the potential to shatter the universe. For vegito to even have to try a tiny bit in ssj hes way stronger than than goku and vegeta and even ultimate gohan who surpassed goku with the potential to kill super buu who vegeta and goku was worried about. Ever since i first watched dbz in the buu saga not once i ever had a valid reason to assume kid buu is stronger. Also buu himself WAS kid buu of course so he knew himself better than anyone, so his statement of him being the strongest buu makes sense imagine comparing yourself before the gym gains and then after. You wouldnt be weaker than yourself before you hit the gym
Kid Buu at best is slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku if not even. Ultimate Gohan would mid diff (although leaning towards low diff) him if Buu wasn't completely random.
Buuhan isn't regarded in the conversation surrounding Buu absorbing Supreme Kai. Elder Kai is clearly talking about Fat Buu/Initial Super Buu. Absorbing Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan easily overcomes any power restraint put on him. There's a reason SS3 Goku was comparable to Kid Buu & Fat Buu but was a waste of time against Buutenks.
An undying and unnecessary argument. Regardless of what the amime says, I genuinely don't understand how Kid Buu alone is stronger than Super Buu with Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan (the literal strongest non fused character) absorbed
Exactly!!!! It breaks the story entirely as then it means that Buu gets weaker when absorbing people which makes 0 sense and that Goku and Vegeta got magically 100s of times stronger in between Buuhan and Kid Buu.
Even when only having the most basic understanding of storytelling, tells you that Buuhan is the strongest. Idgaf about any statements that say otherwise.
Gohan isn’t the strongest
@@kulo4912yeah he is lol
@@DirtyJeans bc
@@kulo4912 Gohan is the strongest unfused fighter in Z. He was able to take on Super Buu, while Goku shat his pants. Additionally, it was stated Goku was equal to Fat Buu, so that statement alone makes him stronger.
Vegito violated Buuhan so bad it ruined his street cred
At least buuhan had Vegito struggle a bit with the vice shout that's pretty impressive. It's vegito I mean most expect to lose when facing him no shame in that
It's funny, I always liked Kid Buu BECAUSE he wasn't as strong. I thought it was very unique that the final boss' edge wasn't some upper limit of raw power, but his seemingly unlimited STAMINA. The other Buus, even Buuhan, grew fatigued during their prolonged battles. Kid Buu's like the energizer bunny from hell, he just keeps going and going and going and going, while just strong enough to be incredibly dangerous when combined with his stamina and completely unrestrained personality.
Fr, he's the perfect mix of factors that make him up. Sure he isn't as smart on paper as Good Buu or picollo Buu, but he's so unorthodox and unhinged no one can predict or counter him like they can with the others. You can't trick him with a self destruct, etc.
He's a great final boss, it's just in terms of stats he isn't as strong as a cocktail of everyone on earth and himself
He's the DBZ equivalent of fighting a homeless man on crack, sure he's not the strongest guy ever, but he's violently unhinged in a way that's impossible to predict or restraint
Good god... FINALLY! Finally I get to see my opinion shared by someone else.
That's the main reason why I find DBZ finale to be this good.
I just love how Toriyama sensei took us off guard by deciding to get back to more reasonable power levels and managed to make a weaker version of Buu to be the perfect candidate for the last battle. Made everyrhing like Vegeta's sacrifice to buy time, Goku and Vegeta asking for everyone's help, the Genkidama from everyone so much more meaningful.
It's a shame that this topic even required a 30 min video just to get the common sense across to them smh
exactly lol.. it's crazy
@@Neverend117 notice how they always have to go as far as using a bunch of nonsense guides and secondary sources and have to twist and distort the narrative all sorts of directions just to backup their Kid Buu stances....bro all we're literally doing is using the manga and common sense, no extra additives...💀
It's not entirely their fault. Villains, at least in DNZ era always escalated in power as the show progressed. It's just that SuperBuu/Buuhan has the strongest fighters up to that point absorbed, except Vegito and has better feats. The problem with them that I have is they think Kid Buu is stronger AFTER getting everyone ripped out of him. Kid Buu is only more 'dangerous' because he's unstable and didn't think twice about destroying the planet. He can't really be reasoned with. And while destroying a planet 2 seconds after he wakes up does make him dangerous, it's not necessarily impressive. Planets getting blown up was always a ki blast away even early on in Z
@@webbiefade14 Yea pure filler and random assumptions / baseless claims like goku got astronomically stronger lol. Also ironically guides like dragonball forever and el manga legendario openly say kid buu is weaker then super buu but kid buu fans will ignore it
@@webbiefade14im arguing with someone on ig about this right now he started talking about god ki LMFAO which us so false because if kid buu WAS using god ki goku would not have been able to sense his energy
Finally! More people need to watch this video. Yeah, Kid Buu is more dangerous because there's no reasoning with him but Buuhan is just another level of power entirely.
This debate's been going on for 30 years, this video will be added to the long list of videos and threads making the exact same points, and the debate will start again in 10 minutes. Buuhan is the strongest, good day to you all.
Buuhan how is this even a debate
Lol exactly any Buu alone was easily on par with ssj3 and buuhan absorbed Ultimate gohan...goten ...trunks and Piccolo
@@Jason5818UI goku and vegeta literally needed to fuse to defeat buuhan, while ssj3 goku was keeping up with kid buu but just didnt have the stamina to win. how the hell is this a debate dude
@@PulseDemon. im agreeing Super Buu absorbing Gohan alone put him over the top ...Vegito was the only option
@@Jason5818UI yeah i know man lmao im just confused how is this even a debate
@@PulseDemon. fresh content i guess its crazy the dbz anime is 35 yrs old and its continuously debated ....i love it lol
One thing you messed up on in the video that actually works in your favor: That Toriyama interview you quoted, That wasn't Toriyama speaking, that was the interviewer. The only thing that interview proved is that the interviewer thinks Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu. Toriyama himself had no word on the topic or any of the characters, he just simply amswered the interviewer's question
The Interviewer specifically mentions frieza and Majin buu in their FINAL forms. And toriyama obliges
@SuperKamiGuruu no he doesn't. He answers the general question. The characters that the interviewer mentions were completely irrelevant to the actual question
yeah people heard most dangerous and assumed he was the strongest
or they read the multiple guides claiming him the strongest😂
@@hystor1c doubt it people are not smart
@@TheIronMan728 right mind set man. He’s just a kid buu fan boy. Ignore him. He’s a believer in Heat Say > Feats
@@brandonbggonzalez3273 That’s just ignorance, do you understand the context of “he’s more dangerous?” Kibito and Old Kai were speaking in reference to the new ability and power that Buu gained when he reverted to his original form. How would be “more dangerous” if he was weaker than his other forms.
Also Toriyama has never once corrected the fact of Kid Buu being superior Buuhan. He had a hand in the original anime, guides, DBKai, and Dragon Ball Kakarot. All of these sources imply Kid Buu is stronger than.
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet a Wolverine is more dangerous than an rhino. Yet one is clearly more powerful.
It's crazy how nobody here seems to acknowledge that Dragon Ball Super hard confirms that once Kid Buu spit out Fat buu, He retained the Grand Supreme kai's god ki that was previously being sealed inside fat buu. This has huge implications
Even if he has god ki, it's overrated considering regular universe 6 saiyains with no god ki at all contended with Goku in the TOP who's had massive experience with whis training methods and such.
super buu would also have god ki so it wouldn't help anyone's argument for kid buu
THANK YOU
@@Hyperslayer_X man the kid buu cope is so insane to me. Also yea yw
literally LMFAOO kid buu’s delusional fans are special ed
Super Buu can not access God ki due to kaio shins having no effect on him except making him weaker.
His power was restrained because of the Grand Kai good influence that made him weaker.
@@legendary5733 it made him less crazy not weaker. Also if you are admitting that super buu also has the grand supreme Kai absorbed that would also mean he has god ki. He might not be able to access it but he certainly would have it.
Goku wasnt even willing to fight BASE Super Buu
@@newhybrid101 yeah, of course while he was 1/100 of his full power
@@transcendsociety132not a factor. He meant fight him OUTSIDE his body, where he would be full-sized
@@webbiefade14 You're just saying that with no evidence. The only times Goku and Super Buu were face to face were when Super Buu was absorbed with somebody. Goku laughed at Buu with Piccolo absorbed and Buu was scared so he resorted to absorbing Gohan. Before all that Goku was ready to square off with Buutenks so we don't know how far that would have went but reasoning would give it to Buutenks. Kid Buu and Buuhan are the only forms of Buu that had Goku against the ropes all your other things about Super Buu vs Goku are all false speculation with no evidence.
@@transcendsociety132 You sound like somebody that has never read the manga before lmaaoo
you want evidence?
Evidence #1: Goku immediately suggests fusion right after telling Vegeta that they are no match for Super Buu. He never mentions one word about size or any strength disadvantage, because he doesn't know about it at that point
Evidence #2: The only time they learn that they're at a strength disadvantage is when super Buu goes inside of his own body and confronts them and actually tells them about it....which is well after Goku made the statement to Vegeta So that right there is all the proof you need
Evidence #3: Goku laughed and powered down because there is no more need to fuse because Gohan was now stronger than Buu again, hence as he says "GOHAN can beat you now". He never intended on fighting Buu, otherwise why tf would he power down when he had the clear-cut opportunity to destroy him if he actually had the strength to do so 👀👀 see how that doesn't make sense? He was leaving the fight up to Gohan because Gohan was the only one strong enough to face Buu. But sure tell me more about how you are another victim of the English dub mistranslations and took it as law lmaaoo
Evidence #4: Even in the anime it had Buutenks absolutely dogwalking SSJ3 Goku....lol. He was begging Gohan to hurry up and find the earring while buutenks was on his tail lmao
@@webbiefade14 You're right I haven't read the manga in it's entirety but only watched the anime and some of the viz books. That doesn't change anything though as I can still look up the information needed on the internet for the context of parts of the story.
Evidence #1 & #2: I'm not too familiar with how the events pan out chronologically in the manga, but that doesn't change the fact that they were underpowered anyways. I'll look into this to see if it's true but considering Kid Buu is flat out stated as the strongest in guides and narrative statements in the story, if things occurred in that order then it's a retcon of Super Buu's power later in the story narratively speaking.
Edit: Or it might be a strangely conveyed way to show the dangers of inside Buu's body that they would need fusion to traverse through it even without the mention of power levels but idk I didn't write the story
Evidence #3: Goku only came back to help Gohan vs Buutenks. If Gohan could take on Buu with Piccolo absorbed on his own, then Goku's job is done. I don't think you can comprehend storytelling well but Goku throughout the Buu saga was letting others fight to take his place if they were capable hence Gotenks and Gohan taking on Buu. Goku whether it's the manga or anime is commenting on his power being a dissapointment and Piccolo slowing down his power, that's not something you would say to someone stronger than you.
Evidence #4: So the anime is only valid when it suits your false narrative of the story then lol. And Buutenks didn't dogwalk Goku like you suggest, he had the upperhand maybe but Goku wasn't helpless or 'dogwalked' like you suggest just because he landed 1 or 2 strong hits and Goku also had some offense himself, that fight didn't narratively change anything substantially compared to its manga counterpart which means nothing. Kid Buu 'dogwalking' a full power SSJ3 Goku is a more valid statement as it got to the point where Goku couldn't fight any longer as apposed to the short skirmish that was Buutenks vs SSJ3 Goku in the anime. I didn't even suggest Goku would win vs Buutenks if you could even read. My main point is that Buuhan and Kid Buu were the only 2 examples where it leaves no doubt both from actual scenes and a narrative standpoint that Goku was fighting a losing battle, as Buuhan is the only time Goku is running away when he has the chance to fight as a SSJ3, and when he does fight a full battle as a SSJ3 vs Kid Buu he loses decisively.
Also Elder Kai suggested fusion again in the final battle vs Kid Buu but after Goku and Vegeta decided they would rather not fuse both of the Kai's were losing their minds. If Kid Buu was not equal or greater than Buutenks or Buuhan then fusion would not be suggested and Goku would not have made a big deal out of deciding not to fuse. If Gohan was able to beat Kid Buu in any sort of way, why wasn't he brought in at anytime in the battle to secure victory? Especially when Goku is weakened, bringing Gohan in would be a no brainer especially considering the fact Goku suggested himself that Gohan and Gotenks try to fight Kid Buu. And we've seen in the past Goku is not afraid to admit when Gohan is much stronger than him in previous sagas but when perfect timing presents itself for the supposedly much stronger Gohan to save the universe like he did vs Cell, he is an afterthought to a much stronger alternative in the spirit bomb.
Every version of Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, except:
• the initial Fat Buu
• Evil Buu
• “Good” Buu (the one Kid Buu released)
Kid Buu beats buuhan
He's stated as the most powerful buu
@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato Buutenks, who knows his original form is Kid Buu, states that he is the most powerful that Buu has ever been. Buuhan eclipses Buutenks in strength. GG.
Even in the anime, Goku says that him and Vegeta would he slaughtered if they tried to fight the standard Super Buu. Then proceed to rock-paper-scissors who 1v1s Kid Buu. Goku then fights mostly evenly with Kid Buu in SSJ3, despite him scaling below Super Buu.
@@christiancinnabars1402 don’t waste your time, that guy has sand where his brain should be
Characters can be arrogant and narratively kid buu was not even wrote yet when buutenks said that
The narrator
A non biased actor in the story said kid buu is the most powerful buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato Dude, look... it doesn't matter how hard you try, these people will never listen to reason... they just like Buuhan's design more so they desperately wank him to be stronger than Kid Buu who stronger.
The fact that this debate still exists boggles my mind. I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion after reading/watching it up until that point.
Good video. Buuhan is way stronger than Kid Buu canonically
thank you!
It's directly stated that kid buu stronger
Manga anime or even toriyama's own mouth
Only thing that ever thought buuhan was stronger was fan belief
Evidence wise, Nothing supports kid buu being weaker then super buu
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkratobro is just lying lol
No way is kid buu even touching buuhan lol, like the only reason you thought kid buu is stronger is because he’s technically deadlier because his no thought just kill thing lol
While buuhan like cell only cares about being the strongest and testing out his power against others, while kid buu only wants to destroy frame one…which he did lol
It's literally stated kid buu is stronger
@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato no…no it’s not…, Little bro actually thinks this??, freaking wild lol
You realize that if ultimate gohan was saved by Goku from kid buu’s planet burst, then he’d absolutely curbstomb kid buu by himself lol
You know the same gohan that gets wrecked by buutenks lol
I feel like Kid Buu's intro in the anime sets this up pretty clearly. Any of the Buus had more than enough power to destroy the earth (not even a high benchmark by DBZ anime standards), but only one of them is unhinged enough to just go straight for the kill and nearly end the show with his first move.
None of the "base" forms of Buu are shown to be much stronger than the previous, but they get progressively more dangerous because of their personalities.
"You have to read the manga or watch the show."
Brave of you to assume Dragon Ball fans do either of those.
I can’t believe people are still arguing this. You’d think this 30 minute video would be unnecessary, but no. Too many people are just dumb.
How is this even a debate? Goku was pleading with Vegeta to fuse with him cause Buuhan was too strong for him to fight by himself. In the manga and the anime, Goku himself said fusing with Vegeta was the only way to beat Buuhan. On the other hand, Goku didn't need to fuse to fight against Kid Buu. Hell, Vegeta thought Goku could kill him in his SSJ3 form if he built up enough ki. Logically that means Buuhan > Kid Buu.
If you don't believe me, just look up ch 503 of the manga and episode 54 of Kai 2014 for the Buuhan stuff. For the Kid Buu parts those would be ch 510 and episode 62.
Lmao goku said kid buu was toying with him and he needed fusion too 💀 db fans don’t even watch their own show and just assume
@@Purple_23184 still weaker than Buuhan
@@MotherLover1984 no not really unless u forgot everything for kid buu
@@Purple_23184 in budokai kid buu and buuhan even in power both have 6 energy bars. super buu has 5 bars and fat buu has 4 bars.
@@Purple_23184 what buuhan with gotenks fusion active? So buutenks plus ultimate gohan, if kid buu is above that? Big Cap.
The fact that the writing is so inconsistent that it sparked this debate is funny 😂
Writing isn't inconsistent, it's kinda poetic in sense how last villain of z had lower battle prowess in general but that immortality of pure evil only to be bested by bring in forth the people of earth willingness to protect planet which was spirit bomb itself which had missed every shot it had throughout the beginning of z
Super Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo and becomes stronger (goes from losing bad to Gohan to potentially beating Goku and Gohan senseless 2v1). Buutenks then absorbs Gohan and becomes stronger. Buuhan then has Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo, and Good Buu ripped out of him and _loses_ power.
From that escalation alone, Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan.
"But Goku beat the clone Gohan, so therefore he just got stronger after fusing into Vegito and defusing!"
Even after he beat the clone Gohan, Goku was still scared of fighting _base_ Super Buu. If that Gohan was really equal to Ultimate Gohan's power, and Ultimate Gohan smacked the taste out of Super Buu's mouth, then Goku would beat Super Buu easily (and he saw Gohan packing up Super Buu, so he would know if he were stronger than Gohan that he would be able to demolish Super Buu). Unless you say Super Buu somehow became stronger than Buuhan, despite him _losing_ power when the absorbees were removed.
"Toriyama said the most powerful villains were the smaller ones!"
He said that the most powerful _characters_ are often the smallest ones _of the bunch._ First Form Frieza is smaller than Final Form Frieza, yet is weaker. Larval Cell is smaller than Perfect Cell, yet is weaker. What he means is in a group of various characters within an arc, he likes making the smaller, more unassuming one the strongest, like Frieza vs his henchmen or Kid Goku alongside a bunch of bulky adult warriors.
"Kid Buu was stated to be the strongest by XY or Z!"
And so was Buutenks, who said he was the strongest version of Buu despite knowing that he was originally Kid Buu. Vegeta was also stated to be the strongest warrior in the universe back in the Saiyan Saga, yet he literally worked under Frieza. They always hype up the most recent antagonist because that's what Shounen does. Like how they hyped up Broly as the most powerful warrior when DBS Broly came out, only to backpedal and start talking about Jiren again once Super Hero came out.
They aren't going to hype up Kid Buu by ending the episode with "Goku now has to fight the ultimate version of Buu, who would also be the most powerful if not for Super Buu, Buutenks, and Buuhan!" Same as how they called Cell a "God of Destruction" with "infinite battle power" in the anime, only for him to be packed up by a 9 year old with _very_ finite-coded power.
1. Super boo did grow stronger by fighting Vegito, saiyans grow stronger by fighting stronger opponents official dialogue and boo has 3 Saiyans inside him with ALL their abilities
2. Goku blasted Super boo senseless they simply couldn't kill him which is not an anti feat.
3. Kid boo needed a spirit bomb With the maximum amount of energy in the universe to be defeated he out scales based on feats.
@@ACertainMankid buu got blown to pieces by the planet explosion, this would imply his durability isn't planetary. Their durability can be a lot lower than their dmg output so that's an awful point. No evidence of buu getting stronger and zenkais were nonexistent at that point. The last point was due to the fact he was pure evil so it was the greatest weapon vs him. Stop coping buuhan > kid buu unless you somehow think kid buu can beat a base vegito from literally a few hours earlier
@@h4nda. Buuhan can't beat base Vegito so your entire premise is false. Second of all why should boo bother strengthening his body when he has the best regen in the franchise third of all headcanon on the spirit bomb, that spirit bomb is simply the maximum level of energy in the entire universe as stated in Daizenchuu.
@@ACertainManem no, Buuhan si podia vencer a Vegetto base, la pelea entre ambos fue un invento del anime, en el manga Vegetto se transforma en super saiyan al instante.
@@ACertainManla Genkidama de la saga de Buu solo tenía energía de la tierra, no del universo.
True and not remotely an argument that older fans should need to have, i see a lot of Super lore being tossed in the comments but we don't mix our food with trash in this house.
The problem is in the manga, which is LITERALLY WRITTEN BY AKIRA TORIYAMA... its 100% clearly stated and pointed out that Buuhan is far stronger than Kid Buu.
Its the same story in the Japanese anime....
The wholeeeee issue stems solely from the fact that in the ENGLISH DUB, which is notorious of being wrongly translated and has many bad and inconsistent translations through the whole anime there is stated somehow that Kid Buu is stronger.. so now american fans because they know nothing else than English Dub claim that Kid Buu is stronger...
Goku SSJ3 could have beaten Kid Buu if he wasn't drained of power, yet he stated him and Vegita have no chance against Super Buu.
Its just ridicilous that some people even argument this.
Kid buu was toying with goku stop lying.
@@robertrainford6754 He's not lying. Super Boo said he is the strongest Majin of all, past and future. This is the same Boo who was aware of kid Boo's existence, as shown when he told Vegeta not to remove fat Boo or else he wouldn't be himself anymore.
@@DigitalWraith that was buu with everyone absorbed not normal super buu or did you not forget that?
@@robertrainford6754 No, that was just with Gotenks and Piccolo. Not Gohan. Seems it's your memory that needs to be called into question. And remember, your argument was made against this thread that says Boohan is stronger than kid Boo.
@@DigitalWraith I’m not arguing kid buu is the strongest form of buu. It’s obvious super buu with all the z fighters who are absorbed are stronger especially gohan. The video implied normal super buu is stronger which wouldn’t be the case with how dragoball works. It wouldn’t make sense. Kid buu is the strongest non-fused buu. Goku not wanting to fight super buu was more because he had other options, a kid buus spirt bomb feat puts him above base super buu. Genki by the way is far more powerful than a normal ki blast. Why do you think tien tri-beam was able to inflict damage on somebody like cell who was massively above tien? Even the most basic dragonball fan knows ki attacks that use life energy are more powerful
Im reading these comments, and im like, this is why they say the fans dont watch they own show😂
This is the ultimate litmus test for DB fans. If you think Kid Buu wins you need to learn how to read
@@ephemeralbro ironic😭
Actually it’s the other way around lmao. I used to believe Buuhan > Kid Buu and Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku until I read more forums with actual receipts from source material instead of listening to fans who wanna head canon power levels. People who believe Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku or Super Buu stronger than Kid Buu do so because it seems more ‘cultured’ but no direct evidence states these things it’s only assumptions based on how fights occurred during the Buu saga.
@@transcendsociety132facts. People love to overanalyze dbz and just start believing their own personal head cannons
@@ragercarnage8609 Yeah, it's ok to research and analyze the series but just admit you were wrong. I preferred Ultimate Gohan over SSJ3 Goku and I still kind of do but when I see clear cut statements for the narrative of the story I'm not gonna be a fanboy for a character to the point I'm trying to change the canon.
@@transcendsociety132 where are the receipts then? Unless you count filler material, there is more to say ultimate gohan is stronger and that buuhan is also stronger. For instance, when they're cutting out the people inside buu and the very same super buu who fought gohan comes inside to confront them, goku and vegeta both argue about the potara vegeta destroyed and goku verbatim says the potara was their way of defeating super buu. You can look up the chapter 502 and see it yourself.
If he was stronger than ultimate gohan, he'd have no reason to be so panicky about the potara having been destroyed, because ultimate gohan basically no diffed super buu. Why would a stronger ssj3 goku believe the potara was their best chance at beating buu?
This also follows with the buuhan vs kid buu stuff as well. A goku who has no confidence in beating a super buu, much less a buuhan, but having more confidence beating kid buu just doesn't mesh with the idea that kid buu is stronger than buuhan. Vegeta even says ssj3 goku could easily defeat kid buu at full power, but he clearly didn't think the same with the inside buu.
Again, where are the receipts? Is it just filler? I genuinely want to know. I've read the manga in its entirety, particular the buu saga recently, and i really dont see how this can be debunked with the manga or the anime unless you think what is basically fanfiction has more authority over the actual story itself.
Imagine making this video in 2024 wild bro ...
Kid Buu was stated to be able to destroy the infinite kaioshin realm which dimensionality by 5 tiers of transcendence to outerversal
i’ve found various scans stating kid buu is stronger
They’ll either deny or ignore them to go with their own delusions.
@@GokeezyTheSaiyan fr😭
@@DARK_HADOO u can find various scans saying the opposite as well lol
For that interview, the blue part is actually the interviewer. Toriyama says the strong ones don’t always get stronger and bigger. Meaning kid buu wasn’t the strongest lol
Goku was confident Pre training SSJ Gotenks (around SSJ 3 Goku level) could beat Fat Buu.
Super Buu is much stronger than that it took post training SSJ 3 Gotenks to match or slightly edge out Super Buu.
Gohan was stronger than that.
Goku wasn't touching either of them.
It was stated in the Dazienshu that Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta until they trained in the chamber.
SS3 Goku knew he couldn't beat Super Buu but both Him and Vegeta stated at full power he could beat Kid Buu "INSTANTLY"
they were arrogant after gaining new power and were also judging based on his size. that's not an anti feat bc they are proven wrong and goku admits this😭
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@ldariusd21 no worries man, they’re Kid Buu fan boys that think Statements > Feats but kid Buu couldn’t pull a universe busting feat even when his life was on the line. Out of character for a reckless character not to do.
@@hystor1c to be fair goku was fightning in ssj3 while being alive for the first time wich is a big nerf for ssj3 goku
So yeah super buu >>> kid buu
@@brandonbggonzalez3273 no need to keep crying man just take your L
For Kid Buu > Buuhan to even be possible, you'd have to believe that absorbing people was against Buu's best interest and handicapped him, and you'd have to believe that Goku had surpassed Vegito after defusing and doing... nothing
It's as simple as if SSJ3 Goku = Fat Buu then, Super Buu > Fat Buu, and if Gohan > Super Buu and SSJ3 = Kid Buu then Super Buu > Kid Buu.
Literally every time Goku came face to face with any form of Super Buu he'd shit himself and "I can't Beat that guy"/"We cant beat that guy" except when he was speaking to Gohan.
It's not that simple, because SS3 Goku is not equal to Fat Boo, he is clearly more powerful than him. Goku only said one time that he couldn't beat Super Boo, and that was to not offend Vegeta's pride. Toriyama said Kid is stronger, the Supreme Kai in the Jap dub said he was stronger. Boos power went up when he reverted to Buff Boo, and we know that absorbing the Kai's weakened him, therefore Kid Boo is stronger than Buff Boo, who is stronger than Super Boo.
what I don't get is if we're talking base to base, Kid Buu is stronger.
But Kid Buu fans only want to talk about him fighting Buuhan. Like, sure Goku is super strong, but he isn't gogeta. So why do they want to compare a base level buu to a fusion?
@@binaryboopsva Because of “the agenda”. They like Kid Buu more so they blindly accept contradictory statements and bad scaling to make it seem like their favorite version is the strongest iteration of the character.
@@Hyperslayer_X there's this dude i've been arguing for days on end who implies the wrath of the dragon movie is a good way to indicate the "writers" intended on ssj3 goku being the strongest. the dude also admitted he prefers the OG Z (he only backtracked on this after i told him it had filler) and the guides over the manga, the purest form of the canon.
Kid buu > super buu (not even buuhan sometimes) are genuinely the most ignorant kinds of db fans. I know we don't have a great reputation, but i have a feeling these are the sorts of people who make the community collectively lose more iq points.
Can't say im all *that* much better since i shouldnt even be interacting with these people, but its like watching a dude scoop up water with a cup that has a hole in it. Its mind numbingly painful
@@manipulatortrash Same. I really shouldn’t be interacting with these anime-only glazers, but it’s hard when they keep pushing misinformation that supports their agenda/favoritism.
I think it's saying a lot when Goku doesn't mess around with Buuhan and instantly transforms from Base to SS3. Usually he takes his time to go max power by dragging the fight or when he wants to show off and talk himself up, but with Buuhan, dude literally panic transforms.
The anime is filler there's no mention of Kid Buu being stronger than all other Buus in the Manga only dangerous and that's obvious cause he's child like with no intelligence fr. Full power ss3 Goku is stated to be stronger than Kid buu by Goku and Vegeta but he couldn't go full power cause he wasn't used to ss3 in his newly revived body which was using to much of his energy. Only anime only watchers think Kid Buu is the strongest Buu and even most of them Know kid Buu isn't the strongest but Buuhan is
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
" *But But But They chose to fuse for Buuhan!* "
(Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you)
*SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu*
↓↓↓
DBZ Episode 277
Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!"
DB Chapter 510 pg 12
Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!"
@@SuperKamiGuruu He said manga and what do you proceed to do? Quote the anime 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣
@@webbiefade14braindead 😭 They can't be real people with common sense
@@webbiefade14 That dude loves to copy paste the same comment on Kid Buu vs. Buuhan vids regardless of context. Typical Dragon Ball fan who only watched the anime and knows nothing about the original/authentic manga experience.
Kid buu vs Any form of Super Buu is like the "blue or gold dress" question of Dragon Ball. Everything says Kid Buu is way weaker then Super Buu but there's just a couple of people who stubbornly refuse to believe Kid Buu is the weaker of the two no matter what.
Yeah canonically Kid Buu gets beaten like a baby. It was the Anime's horrible power scaling that made Kid Buu 'The Strongest Buu' even though that was NEVER Akira's view of Kid Buu's strength except for him being the most dangerous
Name me a single time the final form of a villain wasn't their strongest form in "Toriyama's vision"
@@ACertainMan Yeah but Kid Buu was different. Other than Frieza and Cell who blatantly are stronger in their final forms, Kid Buu was anything but that. Kid Buu was Super Buu but even weaker since he lost Fat Buu. In Akira's manga, Kid Buu was only the most dangerous Buu not the strongest. But of course Toei would go along and make Kid Buu the 'strongest' Buu when even scaling wise that makes zero sense since he would be stronger than Buuhan who by their filler once again, was able to land only one good hit on Vegito in base form and was so immensely strong that Goku and Vegeta had no other option but to fuse. Hell, in the Manga, Goku even acknowledges how dumb it was for him to not fuse with Vegeta again due to how powerless Super Saiyan 3 was against Buu.
@@joelgaynor Cell lost 18, he still powered up further. After they took the fat boo from super boo his power was stated to INCREASE not decrease. Boohan scales nowhere near Vegito as Vegito was Supressed, if Vegito wanted to Boo would have turned to atoms in 1 hit. Goku is weaker than kid boo as per your own words kid boo was toying with him and even Goku said that
@@ACertainMan Yeah that's what I'm saying. Kid Buu is stronger than Goku. But Buuhan is stronger than Goku, Vegeta, Gotenks and Gohan. Buuhan legit absorbed 2 Super Saiyan 3 level characters and one that was a bit stronger than Super Saiyan 2.
And yes, Kid Buu's power did increase after losing Fat Buu but that is not relative to Buuhan who had Buu and some more.
@@ACertainMan straight facts he only decreased in height not power these buuhan stans just won't accept the truth that kid buu is stronger especially when he spit out fat buu
Sorry to burst your bubble but in the dbs manga kid buu is as strong as uub and uub had enough power to get ssb Goku to U.I kid buu solos
I'm just gonna be the one to finally say it... the Daizenshuus SUCK. They are just as bad for the health of this community as Super's power scaling.
The amount of times I've heard "yeah but this thing in a secondary source contradicts the Manga, so the SECONDARY source is correct" is just maddening.
Just grab any "Official Power Level" chart/list from the Daizenshuu and see how long it takes you to realize its stupid... bc if you make it past like 3 characters without going "wait, what? That cant be right!" then idk what to tell you. If those things were accurate, almost every fight in the series would be 5 seconds. The math makes no sense, which then leads to fans applying the only multipliers than can possibly make those levels make sense... which then leads to more theories and hypotheses which are then clung to like gospel.
Want an example?
Kid Goku's stated, "official" power level is 5 in at least 1 Daizenshuu. So the same kid that ate Bulma's bullets for breakfast is equal to the Farmer from Z.
Fact check me. Go ahead.
@@NoName-cz3wn tbf, pl is about "ki "
Goku is a saiyan so generally his natural "body strength" Would be potent than of a human so ki wise he's weak even when they tried to break from pilaf castle goku at best was able to shoot a lil hole through it with his Kamehameha so i guess that's reasonable
@@ohhellwhereami2574 idk, I doubt that farmer, even _with_ his shottie, was putting a dent in Pilafs wall.
And yes, I know PL refers to ki, but ki is what determines who wins fights nowadays. That's why UI and UE are so beloved... bc they're the only transformations arguably ever that don't just amount to "bigger number". But as you surely remember, there was a time when skill and heart determined fights. Then Frieza happened, and Toriyamas attempt to break power scaling thoroughly instead made fans care about it even more 😮💨
@@NoName-cz3wn yeah but ki was a revolutionary concept at start of db so it makes sense ki usage wouldn't be common tbf ue and ui are beloved because they are just another hype of series nothing else it already is formed on the basis of previous concept if anything but nothing wrong with it
@@NoName-cz3wnFalse Equivalence; Goku’s a Saiyan boy, Farmer With a Shotgun is a human.
Saiyans have been said to tank the Extinction Bomb which annihilates planets. That probably explains why goku is normally resistant to gunfire.
You're telling me I grew up my whole life life WRONG??
If anyone tells me that Kid Buu is the strongest version I know they don't know anything about much. How the hell can Kid Buu be more powerful than Kid Buu + Everyone else. Even if it was just Mr Satan that he absorbed he would still be stronger since it would be Kid Buu against Kid Buu + Mr Satan.
Yet for some reason this crap is still up for debate after 30 f'n years
Exactly! Even base super buu is far more powerful than kid buu. Like he says in the video the gray buu is essentially kid buu level and by absorbing the fat buu he becomes stronger as super buu
Bcuz morons don't understand that Absorbing OTHERS increases power level...they're stuck on " the last form is ALWAYS the strongest cliche"
What's makes this even better is that in both anime and movie of Battle Of Gods, Goku specifically says that even fusion (Referring to Vegito from the Buu saga or a current Vegito) still wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus.
This is basically saying that Goku NEVER reached any level of Vegito at all in the past or in the current timeline (until Goku attains Ssj God).
Im pretty sure goku knows simple math he can estimate the difference this vegito would make in general by gauging his power growth throughout those days
But i always think he meant, bothering himself with fusion is futile in itself because they would nver fuse again neither known about the dance which takes about decent bit of rehearsal to aim right which is not possible in mean time
U don't understand. goku got stronger by sitting on his ass most of the arc, watching gohan and gotenks get stronger than him
Exactly, and they try to “Debunk” him getting stronger which is just stupid.
DBS Mentions multiple times that saiyans are getting stronger during their battles, after their battles, and after recovery. Vegeta made that abundantly clear during his battle with Granola. He brought it up during the ToP, and brought it up during Namek. SSJ4 Goku says this. First Form Frieza says this as well. And It’s stated numerous times. Trunks also stated that Saiyans get stronger when fighting each other than training themselves.
Vegeta was said to have gotten stronger after being revived in the guidebooks, and during Namek he even mentioned that his power increased after being wished back. (Same thing would apply with Goku)
Old Kai gave 1,000 of his life energy to Goku, which not only restored him, but increased his power at the same time. That explains why he was stated to be weaker than Ultimate Gohan Pre-Wish, but perform better against Buutenks Post-Wish; manage to somewhat hurt Buuhan (he scratched him on the cheek); Literally beating Clone Gohan himself who is stated to have the power of the original (Not filler); Clash with Super Buu inside Buu (Though in SSJ with Goku saying he can destroy him, but can’t due to him being immortal); and he was stated by Vegeta to have a different league of power.
Only arguments Buuhan fans have so to either use out-of-context and misinterpreted statements, or deny the existence of power growth from battles. (And also deny kid buu statements while immediately taking in face value of Buuhan’s statements)
let’s not act like there aren’t at least 8 statements saying kid buu is the pure majin, the. strongest majin, the original and strongest form, and let’s act like akira toriyama didn’t confirm kid buu was the strongest
You can also bring up the fact that Final Form Frieza is more dangerous than Super Saiyan Goku, yet Super Saiyan Goku is more powerful than Final Form Frieza.
Hell you deadass said everything I said in my Buuhan VS Kid Buu video lol I feel like using logic and understanding that the anime is over hyping the fight, it's not that hard to understand Kid Buu is not the strongest
Did everyone forget when Buuhan almost destroyed the universe in one go? Kid Buu couldn’t do that, even when his life was on the line against the Spirit Bomb? Also Buuhan fought base Vegito(or didn’t in the Manga). Base Vegito who is unanimously above SSJ3 Goku? The Goku who fought well against kid Buu or Gotenks Buu?
the spirit bomb was made up of the universe's and hell's energy😭. Buuhan also got slapped by base vegito, you callling that a fight is crazy. Goku only fought well due to kid buu ALLOWING him too. it's confirmed he's holding back and the strongest in multiple guides
@@hystor1c it was stated by the narrator and Buuhan himself that Buuhan and Vegito were equal. Also Buuhan never showed panic in front of base Vegito. And how come kid buu wasn’t able to pull a universe busting feat like buuhan? It’s not like his life was in danger right? Can kid buu not fight for his life? Also you still didn’t address my Base Vegito > Ssj3 Goku yet ssj3 Goku did worse against buutenks (who is weaker than Buuhan).
@@hystor1c kid buu allowed him to damage him? Why can’t we say the same for Buuhan vs Base Vegito? Reverse Psychology my Friend
@@hystor1c love how this Kid Buu Fan boy can’t defend his boy
@@brandonbggonzalez3273 or maybe i'm doing sumn gng. you ever heard of a life. maybe you should get you one of those. i'll debunk you now.
It absolutely blows my mind that this is even a discussion. I knew from the first time watching the Buu saga when I was 12 years old that Buuhan was miles above Kid Buu in power. I truly don't understand how people can come to the conclusion that Kid Buu>Buuhan. It makes no sense whatsoever.
2:40 Not only that but Super Buu tries to destroy the earth/universe due to a temper tantrum on multiple occasions
Video over in 10 secs: its Buu (Gohan Absorbed)...
ight gng a lot wrong. First off you comparing vegito to goku is pointless as kid buu was holding back for a fight. this is stated literally.
Kid Buu is also called the strongest alongside goku in the daizenshuu
SEG, Chozenshuu, and multiple others call him the strongest. Kid Buu could also make the entire universe go poof as stated by goku. He held back a spirit bomb with gohan's energy and the entire universe and hell's energy. He's also called the strongest in super MULTIPLE times. Kid Buu is undoubtedly the strongest. You even used koyama statements which is literally debunked by the fact koyama clarified and says he's was speaking about in comparison to the other absorbed versions of super buu, he calls the "little buu" the strongest man.
@@hystor1c love how the kid buu fanboy hasn’t responded to my replies yet.
@@brandonbggonzalez3273 literally just did. go ahead and TRY to debunk me.
@@hystor1c I just wanna know why Goku asked Vegeta to fused if he was able to beat Buutenks or Buuhan?
lol, not surprised to see you here.
@@mastermario360 i never claimed this😭
He didn’t want no candy, just the right hook
Never understood this debate they couldn't even touch Buuhan without Vegito and they could both at least fight Kid Buu without being immediately beaten
I always saw gray-Boo as the wrathful side of fat-Boo that was created by his magic and rage. Kinda like fat-Boo's Yin. They are the same person, but with different morals. This explains why despite being almost purely evil, he chose not to kill Videl because she's Mr. Satan's daughter.
Koyama took back his statement the daizenshuu says a full power goku can’t beat kid buu and goku only fought kid buu bc they underestimated him due to his size and later regrets not fusing against him
Goku was worried but i bet Hurku would have been pretty good. goku's raw power and ki control with hurcuals insane durability and comic relief plot armor! plus the fusion multiplier thing.
First , Kid Buu vs Super Buu.
In the manga and the manga data books, SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan were capable of utterly foddering Super Buu with ease, this meaning that Super Buu doesn’t scale to any of the new generation. (Excluding Goten and Trunks)
In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod.
In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan.
Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu.
“GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!”
Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge.
“SUPER BUU IS A FUSION”
Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point?
On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest.
Kid Buu has practically endless statements in reference to his power.
Dende from the DBS Manga states that Kid Buu was the strongest opponent they faced in Z.
Old Kai stating Buu is the most dangerous which is referring to his power, as Kibito states that Kid Buu lost power by absorbing power then the Old Kai states “the small one over there… is the first, most dangerous one.”
Goku had said a lot things about Kid Buu they fought.
“You sure are strong. Huh? More than I imagined.”
“If I had known it would’ve been like this, I would have put you away for when we were Vegito.”
“Damnit not even Super Saiyan 3 can keep up.”
“If only we had the potara.”
DBZ KAl Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous, and powerful version of himself?
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
This is all in reference to a suppressed Kid Buu before he grew stronger by spitting out Fat Buu who wasn’t trying at all with Goku or Vegeta until the Spirit Bomb.
Dragon Ball Z
Fact Files dictate that even though Kid Buu is the smallest and most childlike of all of the Buu's, he possesses the most power and ability in comparison to the previous versions of Buu.
Koyama might have said that he thinks Buuhan is stronger but he has no actual say in the Buu Saga part of the anime and that’s just his opinion of it. Agreeing with him on this is simply an appeal to false authority. (He later admitted to Kid Buu being stronger as well)
in the Manga Vegeta says that no one else in the entire Universe could fight
Kid Buu. (This is him being aware of Gohan and Gotenks btw) this is further backed by multiple guidebooks claiming Kid Buu and Goku to be the strongest.
Kid Buu has better feats, more statements and more creditability to him being the strongest Majin.
The anime CONSTANTLY pushes the idea of Kid Buu being the strongest, even verbatim explaining that it’s “absolute” that he’s the most powerful Majin? Sounds like to me that they’re telling Buuhan supporters that he’s not the strongest, it’s not debatable. Even with the absence of the anime we can turn to the guides and we get the same results. V-Jump even explains that Buuhan is actually relative to SS3 Goku. In comparison a full power SS3 Goku is incapable of defeating Kid Buu. This paired with the fact that Kid Buu was trolling Goku the entire time throughout their fight should comfortably place him above SS3 Goku, leading us to Kid Buu > SS3 Goku ~ Buuhan.
@@BasedKuuTooGourmet I just wanna know why Goku asked Vegeta to fused if he was able to beat Buutenks or Buuhan?
Sigh....
"Like this" definitely meant "individually/unfused". How do we know? Because Goku suggested fusion right afterwards, and yet never said a word about their size or any strength disadvantage. Trying to twist that narrative into that direction does not work because they were only at a shrunken size INSIDE of buu's body, and Goku was trying to stop Vegeta from LEAVING Buu's body. They both knew they would go back to full size after escaping.
Also, none of them knew how powerless they were inside of Buu's body until Buu went inside his own body and confronted them and told them about it, And that was well after Goku told Vegeta they were no match for him. Those daizenshuu measurements could not be more irrelevant because they were not a factor in Goku's statement at all.
@@mastermario360 They couldn’t, he would’ve lost energy trying to fight him and died.
@@webbiefade14 even if that were true it doesn’t debunk all of the evidence against Buuhan.
Hardest thumbnail I’ve ever seen
Kid Buu stomps
DBZ Episode 278
15min18sec mark
Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu."
Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!"
DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark
Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is."
Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself?
DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark
Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong."
Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."
@@SuperKamiGuruu you do know that Feats > Statements? So we’re relying on Hear Say?
@@brandonbggonzalez3273 No, feats go in conjunction with statements, they aren't mutually exclusive. Play that silly little game elsewhere
@@SuperKamiGuruu what kid buu feat puts him above Buuhan? It’s not like Buuhan could’ve destroyed the universe in one go? Haven’t seen kid buu do anywhere close to that? But since you’re the “Expert” maybe you can demonstrate that?
@brandonbggonzalez3273 No, feats go in conjunction with statements, they aren't mutually exclusive. Play that silly little game elsewhere
@@SuperKamiGuruu can you actually answer my question? Instead of typing a weird tangent?
i never knew this was even a debate aint no way people thought any form of super buu is weaker than kid buu
8:42 This is why people made that Vegito power split theory topic waaaaay back in the Kanzenshuu forums that in the anime canon Kid Buu IS as strong as Toei hypes him up to be but when Vegito split up into Gokū and Vegeta in Buu's stomache, they split Vegito's power up evenly, half to Gokū and half to Vegeta, because of the Daizenshuu statements on that episode of them fighting the clones.
Kid Buu is definitely and explicitly stated and meant to be weaker in Toriyama's original manga.
It's ridiculous that this is still a debate for people. Buuhan is obviously stronger.
Kid Buu slams, debate me
@@GokeezyTheSaiyan It took a fusion to be able to take on Buuhan while Goku was holding his own against Kid Buu as an SSJ3.
Super Buuhan destroyed SSJ3 Goku meanwhile SSJ3 Goku couldn't even beat Kid Buu the Earth Spirit Bomb did
This debate will never die it’s so annoying, it’s even more annoying that it’s so obvious 🤣
Ss3 Goku fights Fat Buu and Kid Buu about equally (but loses bc energy.) Fat Buu becomes Super Buu and gets slightly stronger. Super Buu gets beat by Ss3 Gotenks (fusion time runs out before finishing move) and then dog walked by Ultimate Gohan. Then Super Buu absorbs Piccolo, SS3 Gotenks (who is a bit stronger than him) and Ultimate Gohan (who is likely almost twice as strong as him.) making Buuhan about 4 times stronger than the Fat Buu that ss3 Goku fought equally against
I agree, it's like how do u take away from something and it becomes more, kid buu is a lot more wild and animalistic but buuhan is definitely stronger
The fact it’s stated that kid buu is the strongest and people just says nuhuh is insane work
Where was it stated
@@DirtyJeans in the guide books
@@Purple_23184Vegeta was stated to be the strongest in the universe but worked under frieza. Cell was stated to have infinite energy and like a god of destruction and this was in an episode not a bullshit guide but we don't take it at face value do we? It's common sense that buuhan stomps kid buu😭 Statements aren't enough
@@h4nda. so arguing against the author’s statement makes sense? Alr Einstein that makes total sense even when the author makes no reference to buuhan only kid buu but totally makes sense 🤦
@@Purple_23184 I love Toriyama a lot bro but the man literally forgot SSJ2 existed at one point his word ain’t everything when it comes to canon facts
Kid Buu vs buuhan is one of these debate were no one can agree on who win
Finally somebody who actually knows what their talking about and watched the show tired of all these ppl saying kid buu is the strongest buu he gets slapped by base super buu that line was purely too hype him up as he was the final facedown in Z. Their are multiple so many statements and simple ABC scaling you can do that clearly point too kid buu being weaker than every version of super buu which means he’s weaker than ss3 gotenks ultimate gohan all those characters. The only reason they didn’t bring gohan too the Kai world too kill kid buu was because they wanted earth too defend itself for once in the spirit bomb. Kid buu is the most evil and the most pure unhinged version of buu that’s it
I'll never understand how this is still a debate. Even if someone were to argue that Super Buu by himself was only as strong as SS3 Goku (which isn't true to begin with) , absorbing *just* Gohan, who is stronger than Goku anyway, would put Buuhan in an entirely different league. But he's got the power of Piccolo and the kids on top of Gohan's own. There is absolutely *zero* chance that Kid Buu is touching that if SS3 Goku alone could potentially kill him.
Bcuz ppl are morons. They're stuck on final or last form cliche is the strongest...which DEFINITELY doesn't apply to Buu and buuhan.
SSJ3 Goku is stated to be Comparable to Buuhan which is supported by the fact that he is seen going blow for blow with Buutenks (WITH NO DAMAGE ON GOKU WHATSOEVER, WHILE GOHAN COULDN’T TAKE ONE HIT); SSJ Goku was shown hurting Buuhan with a *punch* to the face when he grabbed Vegeta; Goku literally beats Gohan inside Buu; Goku straight up fights Super Buu and admits he can destroy him, but can’t because he’s immortal.
@@GokeezyTheSaiyan I don't remember Goku admitting he can beat Super Buu. He did admit that he could've killed Fat Buu but wanted to give the next generation a go at saving the world. He also stated that he could potentially kill Kid Buu if he could charge up for 1 minute and let it all out in one shot, which Vegeta would try to buy time for.
I *do* remember those other scenes you're mentioning though, and they don't make any sense mathematically or narratively. The whole reason Vegito even came to exist is because Goku and Vegeta both knew that they would die if they didn't fuse (or cease to exist entirely in Vegeta's case). For Goku to be at all comparable to Buuhan, he'd somehow have to surpass Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, *and* Super Buu's power all added together. If he was THAT strong, him struggling to kill Kid Buu later would make absolutely ZERO sense unless you accept at least one of the following absurd conclusions:
1. Super Buu + Ultimate Gohan and everyone else is somehow weaker than Kid Buu by himself.
2. Goku and Vegeta got *titanic* boosts in power out of nowhere that were never mentioned, shown or even implied.
3. Absorbing Gohan and the others made Super Buu WEAKER, despite literally every version of the story saying that absorbing these people made him stronger.
None of that works. Not even a little bit. The math doesn't work and it breaks multiple plot points, including Vegito's entire existence. Toei may have been pushing Kid Buu as the strongest during the final battle, but that was a screw up on their part. And that's not just me saying that. A lot of what the anime did during that section is not in the manga.
@@NineNovem buuhan is Buu strongest form....only idiots think bcuz kid Buu is final form he's strongest when as u said Gohan, Buu, piccolo, goten and trunks all together isn't going to be weaker than kid Buu... outright laughable people think kid Buu is the strongest form.
Even after all these years people cant see that Toriyama did a switch a roo of his previous work.
New forms introduced and neither got the job done unlike SSJ1 or SSj2 in their introduction arcs.
The tone of the arc is more fileld with gags, where it got more serious from Namek to Cell Saga.
The main character comes back to life instead of dying again.
The strongest villain isnt the smallest and he doesnt come last like they usually diid
Gohan getting a power up only to lose.
Genkidama/spiritbomb finally took down the villain for good which it didnt do in the previous arcs .
Have you see Broku's video on the topic? There are a few points there that would be interesting to see rebutted (Goku became stronger because he got his living body back, the fake Gohans and Gotenks Goku and Vegeta were fighting really were comparable to the originals, multiple statements from writers and editors about Kid Buu being the strongest and Goku being the strongest., etc.)
I feel like while I don't agree, that he is technically right in several places.
The main reason why Kid buu is more dangerous than buuhan is he's unhinged. Pure chaos in the form of a tiny pink monster. He could be as strong as Frieza but he'd still be more dangerous because he's quick to blow up the planet your standing on than the other Buus and last time I checked we live here.
To be real, Kid Buu is the best that could happen to the Demon Realm Part of the DBZ Story.
Thank you for making this honestly a shame that this is still a debate in the DB community smh
Finally, a smart db powerscaler
His official name is Super Buu with Gohan absorbed
This is less of a power scaling discussion and more of a psychological analysis. Common sense doesn’t say “a guy who gets stronger by absorbing people is strongest… when he doesn’t absorb people…”
This more so just highlights how fans will either deliberately be a contrarian or will hear something one time, take it as gospel, and dogmatically argue it to any and everyone.
I knew that buuhan slams for years already
He doesn’t. This guy is just wrong.
Im super-certain that everybody is unaware that magna and anime filler continuation do not correlate well together and they have their own different set of canon and source materials. In the anime, kid buu was already said to be the most troublesome and strongest buu all of every versions given by Goku's statements and also followed by several offical guides some written by Tori-animations. But in the manga, thats a totally different concept of journey of where it taking place with, as Buuhan didnt had feats shown much as anime did while super buu reverting to kid buu also had different written as in manga, Goku and Vegeta can sense Buu and they made fun of him being smaller and weaker, but in the anime, Goku was literally in both amused then concerned that kid Buu in process of changing was growing stronger.
They only made fun of his size not power.
The scene in the manga is the same scene in the anime lmao Goku makes fun of kid boo in both continuities and lives to see the consequences of his arrogance.
@@Purple_23184Vegeta only does, Goku states "We can take him." Indicating his power level wasn't the same as before, Goku wasn't underestimating him, he was saying the obvious. They could beat him together, unlike Super Buu, where he wouldn't fight any version of him without fusion.
While the anime does have odd statements that contradict the manga, it's still following the manga which is causing the confusion in the first place. The manga didn't give statements saying kid Buu was the strongest because he wasn't. The mere fact Goku thought he would win, and even after losing ssj3 kept saying he could've win if his SSJ3 hadn't ran out is proof in both versions that Kid Buu was weaker than super Buu. If they even cared about making kid Buu the strongest they should've changed the story to fit it instead of only making statements.
That's like if me and you fight, you win but in the foreign adaptation of our fight which is more popular I say "I should've saved my energy" which changes the interpretation of the fight because I indicated that if I had my energy I would've won, nothing prior gave off that impression, it was actually the opposite; you were winning regardless, but the foreign version just changed dialogue to change the context just to do it.
@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 uh but they did lol akira him self literally indicated that kid buu is the strongest plus that stupid why the hell would he be weaker than super buu 😭 lmao not only in the anime it’s clearly stated multiple times and in the manga Akira states he’s the strongest lol tell me a db villain out side of the buu saga that the strongest form in in the middle? You see how that narratively makes no sense for the context of db… and in the manga kabito say out right says “THIS BOO IS A PURE INCARNATION OF THE IDEA OF EVIL...
YES, HE GAINED A HEART DUE TO THE
ABSORB-WHINE
REDUCED
HIS POWER...” And why are we using a weak goku at this point? It’s like saying goku did not get stronger through out this arc which is the stupidest thing ever.and goku and Vegeta literally said in the anime
“Vegeta: I-is this the power those two have?!
This is a whole different league!”
Goku: “but your power, speed, and powers of recovery are all incredible!
You're on a whole different level from all the Boos up to now!
You're ridiculously strong!”
Plus Akira is the most credible source since yk he literally has the free will to do what ever the hell he want with the story so arguing against the authors own words is just 😬
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Goku literally DIDN'T GET STRONGER throughout the Buu saga wym. He was literally dead in most of it and he was brought back to life. He DIDN'T get zenkais because he wasn't pushed to near death in any situation. In the manga he did not state anything to that calibur, you're making it up lol. Being pure evil doesn't mean he's the strongest, it means he's the most evil out of the buus. Super Buu literally says ultimate Gohan absorbed is the strongest he's been, know that he included kid Buu into his thought process while saying it. Super Buu is literally Kid Buu +Fat Buu, the only thing kid Buu has over super Buu is faster regeneration from being pure and more energy but not more power. Goku was literally thinking of fusing with Mr. Satan that could potentially make him WEAKER to fight super Buu bruh, dude was seconds away from fusing with him while with Kid Buu he was more confident. Even when Goku did fight Super Buu he was more worried and scared, while with Kid Buu he was more annoyed at his regeneration and energy than anything.
Yes Goku and Kid Buu has a whole new league of power... Compared to Vegeta. The whole point of that section was Vegeta comparing himself to Goku and how he's always ahead of him, it's funny you talk about taking out context when you just did it.
Goku saying Buu is the whole different level from the other buus is an anime exclusive line which was made to hype up Kid Buu because he was the final villain, duh
You're taking away the context again, toriyama said characters with small forms are the strongest and in that list he said Frieza, GOKU, and Buu. Not I'm hoping you understand why I capitalize Goku, because kid Goku wasn't even RADITZ level, he was referring to small characters in general not that Kid Buu was the strongest.
Nice video. I agree Buuhan is stronger than kid Buu. I do find regular Super Buu vs Kid Buu to be a very interesting topic though.
Going by manga, Buuhan is stronger.
Going by anime, Kid Buu is stronger.
Your conclusion is obviously correct. But you rabbled way too much on things that don’t matter.
First of all, when going through debate topics, you never ever have to fight against filler and mistranslations. The confusion is purely caused by the Anime’s mistranslated lines + filler scenes, which outright state Kid Buu is the strongest. For this video, you could have quickly shown those parts of the anime, and then state the fact that none of this is canon, and show the actual lines from the manga. For example, the Goku&Vegeta vs the copy family fight inside Buu is completely filler, thus it cannot be used in an argument.
To put it simply, we know how much it took to take on Super Buu and his forms; Goku wasn’t even willing to fight him and told Vegeta inside Buu that they would die if they go out without fusion. When Buutenks turned to Buuccolo, Goku specifically states ”Gohan can beat you now” confirming (if it wasn’t obvious at this point already by all the other dozen things) that Gohan is stronger than Goku, and again Goku knows he’s still no match for him but he doesn’t need to be. Then, when Buuhan was born, Goku was so desparate for even slightest power boost, that he was about to throw the Potara to Mr. freaking satan, when Vegeta appeared. That kind of desperation is unheard of from Goku unless there is absolutely no way to beat the opponent otherwise.
And this contrast of not even wanting to fight base Super Buu, to liking his odds agains Kid Buu, is a drastic change in attitude, and Goku was in fact able to fight Kid Buu relatively evenly. Now, Goku did underestimate Kid Buu and admitted they probably should have fused after all, but that’s still ”yikes, underestimated this one a bit” vs ”he will kill us if we go out without fusion”, so the point stands.
And because Gohan is confirmed much stronger than Goku, not only does that mean Gohan would have destroyed Kid Buu, but also that Buutenks and Buuhan are automatically stronger than Kid Buu as well.
Lastly, some people try to cope with the ”different continuity” bs. No, this is not DBS. The anime is literally just the animated version of the Manga’s story, with added fillers to give the manga time to cook. Everything happening in the anime is exactly like in the manga, and everything that contradicts the manga, is either filler or mistranslated scene. That’s why in the anime there is shit like Goku stating Kid Buu being the strongest Buu, *while he’s fighting him in ssj2,* while at the same time Goku was still scared of Super Buu in the anime, and was about to fuse into Mr. Gokutan to have even 0.0001% better chance against Buuhan. You can enjoy the filler when casually watching, but when you are debating about a topic, you need to understand your canon source material.
Also, couple of points you mentioned later on.
Grey Buu is not anywhere near Kid Buu level. When Grey Buu got out, their power split, similar to Kami and Piccolo. Grey Buu got more of the split and thus overpowered Fat Buu.
Secondly, God Ki inside Kid Buu doesn’t change anything. That same god ki is literally in Super Buu as well lmao.
THIS. ALL OF THIS. THANK YOOOUUUU. I have been preaching this exact same sentiment for years now
@@grydon6422filler is anime canon
@@ForceFire472Anime=/=Manga
Anime filler is canon to the anime.
@@GokeezyTheSaiyan yeah in said the filler is canon in the anime
There’s a difference between the two of them, yes, Buuhan outright has more strength.
But Kid Buu is way more of a threat and more dangerous because he isn’t limited by the humanity and emotions of the absorptions, and is completely unpredictable with his moves, and also doesn’t have the Good Buu In him anymore so he’s literally the embodiment of evil, he literally blew up the Earth the minute he woke up.
can't believe there's people moronic enough to think that Buu somehow got weaker by absorbing people (one of them being Gohan who's the strongest unfused character in all of DBZ)
Buu literally got resorted back to his kid self and somehow people think Buu becomes more powerful even though it just absorbed Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, and SS3 Gotenks just a few minutes ago LOL Also, we all know Buutenks would stomp both of them (I really just like Buutenks, he got drip)
How I see it!
dabura = 3 billion
fat buu = 10 billion
good buu = 8 billion
evil buu = 12 billion
super buu = 20 billion
buucolo = 21 billion
buutenks = 45.6 billion
buuhan = 52 billion
kid buu = 23 billion
south supreme kai = 6.8 billion
grand supreme kai = 6.2 billion
piccolo = 1 billion
goku ssj 3 = 23.4 billion, 15.6 billion (⅔ vs fat buu)
gotenks ssj 3 = 24.6 billion
ultimate gohan = 31 billion
@@stephenboud1711 how I see it
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Buuhan would literally tame kid buu
I don't even think Super Buu was stronger than the Fat Buu. Every time Fat Buu got angry/serious, he IMMEDIATELY flipped the script.
Vegeta was treating him like a big pink punching bag. Then Buu got mad and slapped the snot out of him.
SSJ3 Goku was rag dolling him, then Buu got BIG MAD and started smacking Goku around.
I think that at his most blindingly livid, at his most enraged, he shed all the mental blocks the Grand Kaioshin put in there. In that moment, he was as strong as Super Buu. But he only got that mad once and it was too much for him, so he did like Kami and Piccolo and split.
... and no, Fat Buu is not Good Buu. Just like Kami and Piccolo their power split in half. Good Buu is much weaker than Fat Buu. So was Evil Buu, he just got the lion's share of their power.
My guy this is the equivalent of saying Vegito beats Goku
My take is that in the manga, yeah buuhan slams, but in the anime kid buu one shots. There are literally dozens of statements purely about his physical power from the anime itself and even guides/promotional material that confirms this. The manga and anime are essentially two different continuitys, toriyama had almost nothing to do with the anime, it was mostly written by toei. So statements and scaling in say, the manga, dont apply AT ALL to the anime, and vice-versa. This is why really good powerscalers will split the two up for debates, to make the weird toei ass pull power ups make sense lol.
W take
Thank god someone is speaking the truth!!!
I really don't like using in story character dialogue for arguments of who's stronger than who
People in Universe can be extremely unreliable when it come to measurements of strength
Remember when Goku thought Vegeta wanted to use the Namek DB's so Gohan and the other could be revived and join the fight. Because, you know.... Gohan was massively stronger than Goku at that point. Also I see a lot of Goku got a zenkai somewhere along the line that made him stronger. Where? When? This isn't Super, there are not 'my Bulma' moments. I also believe that zenkai's in original DBZ stopped being a thing after reaching Super Saiyan. (Why did they use it more during Cell) and that it was only brought back in Super for reasons, thats neither here nor there.
Next people are going to argue whos stronger full power frieza or ssj3 goku
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*Recoome vs Jeice vs Burter*
One lost to a fused character (only didnt die because family and friends was absorbed) while the other got tagged by vegeta, and ssj3 goku if he had no stamina drain had the capability to beat him. Vegito in BASE is 400 times stronger then goku and vegetas full power, buuhan forced vegito actually to try a bit during that scream he did that had the potential to shatter the universe. For vegito to even have to try a tiny bit in ssj hes way stronger than than goku and vegeta and even ultimate gohan who surpassed goku with the potential to kill super buu who vegeta and goku was worried about. Ever since i first watched dbz in the buu saga not once i ever had a valid reason to assume kid buu is stronger. Also buu himself WAS kid buu of course so he knew himself better than anyone, so his statement of him being the strongest buu makes sense imagine comparing yourself before the gym gains and then after. You wouldnt be weaker than yourself before you hit the gym
Kid Buu at best is slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku if not even. Ultimate Gohan would mid diff (although leaning towards low diff) him if Buu wasn't completely random.
Buuhan isn't regarded in the conversation surrounding Buu absorbing Supreme Kai. Elder Kai is clearly talking about Fat Buu/Initial Super Buu. Absorbing Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan easily overcomes any power restraint put on him.
There's a reason SS3 Goku was comparable to Kid Buu & Fat Buu but was a waste of time against Buutenks.
Good luck fam because they coming for you LMFAO
Of course Buuhan is stronger, the real question is whether or not Kid is stronger than Super. Almost all the evidence points to Kid being stronger.