great vid man! pt 2 always gets more focus power-scaling wise because of how crazy things get, so this was much needed in the community (plus i’ll take any excuse to have minato and itachi in a top three)
Bro the strongest character in the Konoha crush arc is that roof. Like I need that engineer and construction company for my house! That fucking roof helf kage level combat including 100s of tons off water and a freaking forest! (and yes I am serious, that water dragon was way past 100 tons of water)
Thank you for literally being the only other person in the world to ever acknowledge that the Akatsuki robes only have 1 sleeve in Part 1. Itachi isn't pulling his arm in for some weird flex or quirk, he's doing it because he doesn't have a fuckin sleeve to put his arm through.
personally it's fine that initial kyubi Naruto is so strong because after in the forest of death, orochimaru tampers with the seal. Also that it's the first time that the chakra comes through so it comes through like a flood, whereas his body or the seal gets used to containing it.
I love your videos - fair analyses, learn a bit every time - no elitism, not condescending at all to Naruto fans who aren't as familiar with the source , thank TG
My 🥷, do you think it would ever be possible to do a video about the fundamental differences of Sage Mode and Kurama Chakra Mode and how they scale toward another? Coming from your KCM swapped with SM video
ahhhhh MY MAN I appreciate that a ton, I've actually played with the notion of doing a video like that although I did touch on it in my KCM Swapped with SM vid I might make a vid dedicated to it
@ThunderGodTG lmao jist figured out ion need to be apart of a stream to support a nigga 🤣. I find all the Naruto power-ups interesting, like CM2, Tailed Beast Chakra, Six Paths Chakra, Sage Mode, etc. And unlike the MS, EMS, and Rinnegan, which are all relatively straightforward, Sage Mode vs. KCM1 is more complex. Especially combining KCM2 with Sage Mode, as many people get that mixed up with Bijuu Sage Mode (the giant avatar collecting natural energy). I just wanted to know if anything like that was planned or if there were thoughts of maybe doing so.
I have to say that interaction between kakashi and kabuto is the most gassed moment in part 1 lol. People really use that to say kabuto may be stronger than kakashi or would have beaten him. I never understood it at all.
This is an interesting power scaling... I do have an argument for it; I don't like the idea that you keep scaling those who died like Haku but I get why since they're the standard (the bar of the power system) and let's be honest, Haku might beat Final Valley Naruto and Sasuke if he's at full strength, no holding back. THAT'S... It kinda makes sense why later in the War Arc he's still such a threat. I look forward to Part 2... because OH BOY...
I'd love to see a part 2. Also, You should do a video on Hokage that can be beaten by certain non-Hokage. The other Kage are usually portrayed as weaker than the Hokage but I'm sure there are other Kage that could beat a couple hokage
Like who? The strongest Kage(Non hokage) in my opinion are Mu, Onoki, Ay4 and Gengetsu, i dont see them beating anybody except maybe Tsunade or old hiruzen
great video, the only thing I would note is that I don’t agree with placing Sakumo over Itachi due to the fact that Sakumo was hailed to be stronger than the Sannin over 13 years before the part 1 and it’s many time reinforced that Sannin especially Orochimaru get stronger. so you now have a case of Sakumo being stronger than the sannin that are unquantifiable weaker than those in part 1 and Itachi being straight up above them at least individually
Appreciate it yeah my issue with Itachi over based on the intel is that he's vaguely a high diff opponent for each Sannin, compared to Sakumo above the group. Tsunade actually somewhat implies her prime is stronger than her current self off of the Kabuto Assessment with no real basis for the Sannin actually growing stronger or being able to note they change as we don't have a previous reference. That's just my interpretation, an added bonus is if this includes their summons who are HEAVILY implied to be ~ to the Sannin themselves which is another avenue I didn't get to mention. Just my 2 cents tho more so wanted to give Sakumo some love
@@ThunderGodTG oh shit man idk if you’re somewhat open to letting other people into your servers but if possible could i maybe look into it, cuz i never saw some of the statements or translations featured in the video and I always love to go through some Naruto inverse scaling
You should definitely do a duos video. I believe that Izumo and Kotetsu. And raido and genma should be yp there too 3. Im not talking about strongest just based off of combos and how long they’ve been fighting together. This would work best on a potential standpoint because clearly there’s not enough fights with them to argue too much
I do think the sannin have a more prime Kakashi in mind when they compare him to Kabuto; making that rusty version at least vaguely inferior to Kabuto. Kabuto outplays him using dead bodies and maintains a playful demeanor throughout their encounter in chapter 89. The short exchange is is actually what makes Kakashi realize just how rusty he is (saying he might become "obsolete" soon) and he starts training again because of it. 42:50 The Kakashi here should be more in shape, but there's also extra context to consider. The invasion had just officially failed and it would actually be Kabuto and Baki (arguably around special jounin level) vs Kakashi, Guy, and a special jounin [Genma]. It wouldn't be a smart fight to take even if we assumed Kabuto was stronger.
part 1 Naruto was way better than Shippuden in terms of scaling. I always hated how Hashirama became the strongest character and the power ceiling basically became Godlike, when the original power ceiling was closer to Itachi and Minato
Pretty sure Guy would have access to 7th Gate in chunin exams time. A little bit after chunin exams he refers to himself as the blue beast of konoha (barring a mistranslation)
Yeah while this is true & I agree with you it’s just not insanely provable by this point in the series since the mistranslation is confirmed to be 7th gate since it’s the same thing he says in the war (the kanji is the same) for now you would just say it’s a potential title / we haven’t seen the 7th gate. So like P1 only you can’t really say it but, taking into account the whole series yeah he has 7G in P1
I swear to god Kimimaro is the strongest Ninja in the entire series at the time of his debut, outside of Itachi hax. Dude could kill any other person seen up to that point with no sweat, and even everyone for a decent amount of time after as well.
@@cringewyrm Orochimaru just doesn't *do* anything in Part 1, really. He swings a sword, he does some summons, but nothing he shows could even scratch Kimimaro, and Part 1 doesn't show us anything to suggest that Orochimaru would survive getting stabbed by 1000 tree-sized bones. He's just not a real fighter with feats in Part 1.
Sakumo is only above teenage sanins without any of their op haxes. We know for a fact that most of their strongest arsenal were developed later. It's insane how much glazing he gets because of that one statement. Hanzo was beating that version of sanin. Hanzo was a rival of mifune.
In the first group, if we aren't counting demon Naruto, Sakura seems to outpace him. His taijutu is better than hers, but he isn't noted as good at it being the worst rookie in the academy. Not to mention, she not only reacted quicker to the demon brothers, but she reacted and acted in time to save Naruto's life from Zabuza's sword pre-chakra control training. Given her better general knowledge of jutsu, her chakra control, her tactical skill, and her more honed senses: it seems she would be able to hide and beat Naruto with a few basic traps.
Also land of waves Kakashi still beats Haku. Not as easily, but let's be honest: Kakashi always overhypes his enemies to keep Naruto/others/himself serious and not underestimate them. And Zabuza frankly didn't realize how below Kakashi he was. Both attacks and plans are walked into with Zabuza believing he can win. Still, even as Kakashi's attention is divided and he's been traveling/recovering from exhaustion, Zabuza didn't get a single win. So even assuming Zabuza wasn't just bluffing, he vastly overestimated Haku's tactical prowess.
@@jasonmoukala8909he most definitely did, haku didn’t demonstrate high jonin skills simply by holding back against two genin while using a unique bloodline limit that neither had the answer to. And that trait made him better able to intercept Kakashi, but if he was that high above him, he simply would have gotten him out of the way without having to tank the blow with his chest. In fact, the tailed beast form Naruto used to overwhelm him is well bellow what Kage level and its likely any jonin could handle such a blast without getting overwhelmed as Sasuke def wasn’t joining level when he defeated it in the valley of the end. Haku clearly should be beneath any of the leaf jonin.
I see what you’re saying but I still put Naruto above Sakura. Naruto has mountains more chakra than her, is actually useful in battle, and is capable of on the spot battle tactics. Sakura’s chakra control aids her very little
Doesn’t Kyuubi count as a character in the first arc? We see him full fledged during the flashback so he should be on the list (maybe top 1 or top 2 if you consider him stronger or weaker than Minato).
I would've probably preferred if the top lists of each arcs only featured characters playing a role in said arc tbh Having Minato be there taking a spot every time even though he just appears in the prologue kinda sucks :D
The guy downplay Is crazy. Guy has a winning record against kakashi despite not using the gates when they spar against one another. So base guy has a record of 51 wins & 49 losses versus kakashi.
I ain’t got a problem with Guy > Kakashi it’s just impossible to place Gated Guy on this list so it’s much better to use the statements about his FP as a reference.
Kyuubi Naruto in the land of waves is only weaker to 1 tail naruto at the valley of the end. In terms of Naruto himself. You can argue even stronger due to the bloodlust
The reason I think haku is stronger than kakashi is because I think zabuza made a lot of assumptions about what he thinks Haku would be able to do against Kakashi based off of watching him fight Zabuza the first time. Kakashi effortlessly beat Zabuza in the first and the only reason it ever seems like it’s a hard battle is because Kakashi was trapped in the water prison. I don’t think Haku would be able to beat Kakashi in a 1 vs 1 scenario tho I do think it’d be close. Not refuting what’s in the source material but that’s my opinion on it.
I will say i think kimimaro and haku have a lot of implyd relativity in terms of both haveing nearly the same back story and role personaly it feels like they are the 2 side of the same coin i would argue haku has an edge in base while curse mark kimimaro should be stronger tho idk if he can break the mirrors
Imo I think the Sasuke chakra flex on Kabuto feat was very concrete. Not to say based fatigue Sasuke would beat Kabuto or Kakashi, but it's like "Oh shit. This mf would fuck me up if he went all out." And that's why he was scared. He was seeing into the inner-depths of Sasuke's chakra and realized how strong he was. Also I think there's a databook statement or smth of the final valley fight Naruto amps being his strongest amps. Which means the amps were stronger than in the fight with Haku. This would honestly give c1 3 tomoe Sasuke some relevance to Kakashi (But I doubt he could win in an actual fight) And I think this puts c2 Sasuke above Kakashi if you want to be somewhat charitable to Sasuke's scaling. It would make his post time skip strength make more sense if he started out stronger than Kakashi that early on. That's just my opinion though. It just makes a bit more sense to me. This is taking into account that Kakashi got stronger after the fight with Haku, but I don't believe he got stronger by so much that the feat is completely irrelevant to his retrivel arc scaling.
I think you can def say Naruto & Sasuke FP are Jonin level by the end of P1 it’s just way too vague. The statement you’re referring to is discussing Naruto without the One Tail Cloak. I think the problem is that Naruto only has that feat vs a more fatigued variant of Haku this being directly which makes it not a 1:1, Haku himself is kinda a glass canon with really good speed but, really bad AP (Naruto yelled away his Senbon lmao) or could just regen the damage. It’s just really difficult to accurately place those versions of the characters on the Top Ten since they’re just no grazing that Leaf Jonin tier compared to everyone else and or the mountains of evidence.
@@ThunderGodTG I get your point. Haku just kinda eats a punch from that Naruto and then eats another punch from base naruto and then speed blitzes Kakashi. Yeah I get your logic. The list is still valid.
I just want to add guy beat Kakashi 1 more time than the reverse, but I do think after Kakashis training he would be above guy and if they fought a few more times it would be reversed and Kakashi would win more often
All of you UA-camrs say the same thing. I dont know if the anime switched it around from the manga but in the anime Pain clearly states “I still require 30% of your chakra for the sealing of the 1 tails. Not 70, 30. Which means Guy fought a 70% clone, not a 30%. I don’t see how you, sage, Seth, six, swag, miss this in every single video you reference it in. Like I said maybe the anime reversed the manga statement. But in the anime Itachi and Kisame are 70% clones.
My brother in christ, did you peep the intro? Do you know the rules for the vid? Nah you skipped it why don’t you go ahead and watch that then come back to me talking about Shippuden feats smh I ain’t even bring that shit up in this vid too so this is a double L
@@ThunderGodTG Wheww. You’re actually wrong in every way, that’s crazy. I did watch your intro, you did include that feat, and it’s still wrong. Do you need a timestamp on your own video? Lol. You and every UA-camr who ever mentioned guy or Kisame always say it’s a 30% clone and not a 70. Every video, not just this one.
My brother ch.255 Pain saying this is in reference to the technique (art of impersonation) NOT the Gedo Mazo the subject of the sentence is the art of the impersonation idk how you think otherwise. Kisame reaffirms this in Chapter 260 “we gave the dopplegangers 30% of our chakra”. You legit just are interpreting pains statement weirdly when it’s mentioned twice and clearly 30. What’s CRAZY is being as wrong as you are and coming in with your energy, chill out G
This guy is crazy hostile for no reason lmao. Also, for what its worth, just because Pain needs 30, it doesnt mean the clones are at 70. 70 is just the maximum they could be at. In fact, if they used 100% of their chakra,(meaning the clones are at 70%), don’t they die? I remember kakashi taking with sasuke in part 1 about it when explaining the chakra limitations he has.
Icl i think kishi wanted to hype up Jiraiya in p1 w those statements,because lets be real once we saw what itachi can do in shippuden he bullies Jiraiya easily lol
I think Gaara and Kimmimaro should have beat Asuma at least. They feel stronger than him at the time tbh. And Haku. Because I think this Gaara or Kimmimaro would've beat Haku/0 tails Naruto.
Haku would prob outlast both of them they don’t have the same reserves / regen as naruto with both having pretty verifiable chakra limits. All Haku has to do is not use the ice mirror prison tbh
Bro the format is excellent
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“Thank God bless Baki is off this list!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 fam I was crying laughing
great vid man! pt 2 always gets more focus power-scaling wise because of how crazy things get, so this was much needed in the community (plus i’ll take any excuse to have minato and itachi in a top three)
Appreciate that a ton my man ✊🏻🔥
Bro the strongest character in the Konoha crush arc is that roof. Like I need that engineer and construction company for my house! That fucking roof helf kage level combat including 100s of tons off water and a freaking forest! (and yes I am serious, that water dragon was way past 100 tons of water)
You right. The unsung hero of Naruto, the rooftops..
@@___________0Z0Xthe architects in konoha get bread
It only needed an almighty push for it to collapse lol
boruto's grandpa fans eatin good
Lmaoo
Thank you for literally being the only other person in the world to ever acknowledge that the Akatsuki robes only have 1 sleeve in Part 1. Itachi isn't pulling his arm in for some weird flex or quirk, he's doing it because he doesn't have a fuckin sleeve to put his arm through.
This video was great, loved the visuals with all the 10 characters listed, it was a fun watch
Glad you enjoyed!
NewHorizons having over 20k subs is nasty work. Brother put that work in and left when we needed him most.
TG came up real quick.
Those TG&NH collabs were so 🔥
@@mattjones8814 exactly
@@ExoticZahTG absorbed NH just like how Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru.
@@___________0Z0X Canon lore lmao
Aye big dawg, imma need the next two vids in this series
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W video, can’t wait for part 2
LMAO i listen to these vids EVERY time i do the dishes
I loved this analysis. My takeaway is that Kisame went from Chump to Champ from Pt. I to Pt. II.
Yessir!
I loved this video, really interesting way to scale characters based on each arc and the current knowledge available at the time
This is a dope format for this content
Genma being low jonin level but equal to Baki the strongest Jonin the Sand shows how cracked Konoha is.
Don't u even try to let us down. We expect part two and three soon. Best Naruto ranking video on yt so far. Keep doing like that!
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personally it's fine that initial kyubi Naruto is so strong because after in the forest of death, orochimaru tampers with the seal. Also that it's the first time that the chakra comes through so it comes through like a flood, whereas his body or the seal gets used to containing it.
amazing vid ngl
My man ✊🏻💰🫡
Well well well, ThunderGod stealing again, man is nothing but a thief and a robber
"TG.... ThunderGod the copy youtuber"
"It says he's copied over 1000 videos"
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@@Julio9j11j LMAO THAT’S FUCKING GREAT 💀
AINT NO WAY WE DOING THIS WHEN EVERY MF USES MY IDEAS LMAOOO
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I love your videos - fair analyses, learn a bit every time - no elitism, not condescending at all to Naruto fans who aren't as familiar with the source , thank TG
My man ✊🏻🙏🏻🔥
Great idea I enjoyed it, pls make 2 and 3
Nah this video was fire. I been needing a tier list like this. I WATCHED THE WHOLE333 VID
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My 🥷, do you think it would ever be possible to do a video about the fundamental differences of Sage Mode and Kurama Chakra Mode and how they scale toward another? Coming from your KCM swapped with SM video
ahhhhh MY MAN I appreciate that a ton, I've actually played with the notion of doing a video like that although I did touch on it in my KCM Swapped with SM vid I might make a vid dedicated to it
@ThunderGodTG lmao jist figured out ion need to be apart of a stream to support a nigga 🤣. I find all the Naruto power-ups interesting, like CM2, Tailed Beast Chakra, Six Paths Chakra, Sage Mode, etc. And unlike the MS, EMS, and Rinnegan, which are all relatively straightforward, Sage Mode vs. KCM1 is more complex. Especially combining KCM2 with Sage Mode, as many people get that mixed up with Bijuu Sage Mode (the giant avatar collecting natural energy). I just wanted to know if anything like that was planned or if there were thoughts of maybe doing so.
Yes, a video I can watch on this slow Saturday! This type of stuff is going to put you above 27.6K, definitely over performing in a good way!
MY MAN
Been waiting for a vid like this
Bro I was actually scrubbing dishes when he said like the video 😭😂
Huge W for considering Hiruzen and all the sannin in similar power
You were in my pocket! Great video though man! Please do more!
I have to say that interaction between kakashi and kabuto is the most gassed moment in part 1 lol. People really use that to say kabuto may be stronger than kakashi or would have beaten him. I never understood it at all.
PART 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great vid!
This is an interesting power scaling... I do have an argument for it; I don't like the idea that you keep scaling those who died like Haku but I get why since they're the standard (the bar of the power system) and let's be honest, Haku might beat Final Valley Naruto and Sasuke if he's at full strength, no holding back. THAT'S... It kinda makes sense why later in the War Arc he's still such a threat.
I look forward to Part 2... because OH BOY...
I'd love to see a part 2.
Also, You should do a video on Hokage that can be beaten by certain non-Hokage. The other Kage are usually portrayed as weaker than the Hokage but I'm sure there are other Kage that could beat a couple hokage
Like who? The strongest Kage(Non hokage) in my opinion are Mu, Onoki, Ay4 and Gengetsu, i dont see them beating anybody except maybe Tsunade or old hiruzen
Absolute W
Bro where is your verification? 😭 u fell off bro
@@VCaccount1Celestials how did I fall off 💀
My boy sage is in his bag rn
@@sageofthickcalves mf ur content made me think u verified 🤦🏿♂️ hurry up and get more subs bruh
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35:11 usually when I watch your videos (thank god I seen them all) I am in fact washing dishing 😂😂 but don't worry I like them at 0:00 😂😂
Yeah, this definitely seems like one of the most analytically rigorous powerscaling videos on UA-cam
Cool video, when part 2?
Depends on how the vid does
W video man this is great…also that RIP had me scared bruh
Next vid gonna be straight fire bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Commenting because I need this video to pop off and watch a second one 😊😊😊
Ahh my man 🔥✊🏻
I noticed one takeaway
Manda actually almost eats Gamabunta while fighting 2v1 so he's clearly portrayed as strongest of the three
On god let’s like and comment it up on this video because I’m fiending for a part two something serious 🙏🏾💯
"He's a jonin that hides an ability that stands out in Konohsgakure"
Things Kishimoto definitely forgot about for 500
W vid man
loved it
Minato so glazed even in a arc where hes not even alive hes still number 1 make it make sense
Good video
Kisame really hit the gym going into part two, huh?
W vid bro you just dont miss!
Do one for boruto
W vid part 2 🔥🔥
LET'S GOOOOOOO ANKO TOP TIER (I play as her in SS)
great video, the only thing I would note is that I don’t agree with placing Sakumo over Itachi due to the fact that Sakumo was hailed to be stronger than the Sannin over 13 years before the part 1 and it’s many time reinforced that Sannin especially Orochimaru get stronger. so you now have a case of Sakumo being stronger than the sannin that are unquantifiable weaker than those in part 1 and Itachi being straight up above them at least individually
Also i wanna ask what scan server are you using cuz I saw many same panels from Draco’s scan server “Library” that I am a huge part of
Appreciate it yeah my issue with Itachi over based on the intel is that he's vaguely a high diff opponent for each Sannin, compared to Sakumo above the group. Tsunade actually somewhat implies her prime is stronger than her current self off of the Kabuto Assessment with no real basis for the Sannin actually growing stronger or being able to note they change as we don't have a previous reference. That's just my interpretation, an added bonus is if this includes their summons who are HEAVILY implied to be ~ to the Sannin themselves which is another avenue I didn't get to mention. Just my 2 cents tho more so wanted to give Sakumo some love
I have my own personal scan server of stuff I collect I'm not really in many servers
@@ThunderGodTG oh shit man idk if you’re somewhat open to letting other people into your servers but if possible could i maybe look into it, cuz i never saw some of the statements or translations featured in the video and I always love to go through some Naruto inverse scaling
Bro is underrated af
You should definitely do a duos video. I believe that Izumo and Kotetsu. And raido and genma should be yp there too 3. Im not talking about strongest just based off of combos and how long they’ve been fighting together. This would work best on a potential standpoint because clearly there’s not enough fights with them to argue too much
I do think the sannin have a more prime Kakashi in mind when they compare him to Kabuto; making that rusty version at least vaguely inferior to Kabuto.
Kabuto outplays him using dead bodies and maintains a playful demeanor throughout their encounter in chapter 89. The short exchange is is actually what makes Kakashi realize just how rusty he is (saying he might become "obsolete" soon) and he starts training again because of it.
42:50 The Kakashi here should be more in shape, but there's also extra context to consider. The invasion had just officially failed and it would actually be Kabuto and Baki (arguably around special jounin level) vs Kakashi, Guy, and a special jounin [Genma].
It wouldn't be a smart fight to take even if we assumed Kabuto was stronger.
part 1 Naruto was way better than Shippuden in terms of scaling. I always hated how Hashirama became the strongest character and the power ceiling basically became Godlike, when the original power ceiling was closer to Itachi and Minato
So we gon ignore the video of naruto and ino🌚 Anyways Can’t wait for pt 2&3💯
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Wait wat
This is a great video, but if it were me I probably would have stopped using characters after they died.
Pretty sure Guy would have access to 7th Gate in chunin exams time. A little bit after chunin exams he refers to himself as the blue beast of konoha (barring a mistranslation)
Yeah while this is true & I agree with you it’s just not insanely provable by this point in the series since the mistranslation is confirmed to be 7th gate since it’s the same thing he says in the war (the kanji is the same) for now you would just say it’s a potential title / we haven’t seen the 7th gate. So like P1 only you can’t really say it but, taking into account the whole series yeah he has 7G in P1
ah gotcha lol. Thats fair
Hey ThunderGod can you do a what if Naruto/Bleach video like “What if Naruto and Ichigo swapped fights” I really want to see that
But I already liked thed video.🥺
33:38 gyaaaaa tsunade
I swear to god Kimimaro is the strongest Ninja in the entire series at the time of his debut, outside of Itachi hax. Dude could kill any other person seen up to that point with no sweat, and even everyone for a decent amount of time after as well.
Why is Kimimaro above Orochimaru? IDK the kimimaru scaling that well so im interested in the explanation
@@cringewyrm Orochimaru just doesn't *do* anything in Part 1, really. He swings a sword, he does some summons, but nothing he shows could even scratch Kimimaro, and Part 1 doesn't show us anything to suggest that Orochimaru would survive getting stabbed by 1000 tree-sized bones.
He's just not a real fighter with feats in Part 1.
What about pain ?
@@1of1MaccSauce Pain didn't exist outside of a hologram with no name, no feats, and no screen time.
@@Necromancer4267 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yea u know he’ll fold his dumb ahh
Part 2 coming soon?
Guys! Make this video pop off!
Sick Kimmimaro over Haku but otherwise good list
Sakumo is only above teenage sanins without any of their op haxes. We know for a fact that most of their strongest arsenal were developed later. It's insane how much glazing he gets because of that one statement. Hanzo was beating that version of sanin. Hanzo was a rival of mifune.
I don't think we got those info in part 1 so yeah he is correct about putting sakumo as high as he did
In the first group, if we aren't counting demon Naruto, Sakura seems to outpace him. His taijutu is better than hers, but he isn't noted as good at it being the worst rookie in the academy. Not to mention, she not only reacted quicker to the demon brothers, but she reacted and acted in time to save Naruto's life from Zabuza's sword pre-chakra control training. Given her better general knowledge of jutsu, her chakra control, her tactical skill, and her more honed senses: it seems she would be able to hide and beat Naruto with a few basic traps.
Also land of waves Kakashi still beats Haku. Not as easily, but let's be honest: Kakashi always overhypes his enemies to keep Naruto/others/himself serious and not underestimate them. And Zabuza frankly didn't realize how below Kakashi he was. Both attacks and plans are walked into with Zabuza believing he can win. Still, even as Kakashi's attention is divided and he's been traveling/recovering from exhaustion, Zabuza didn't get a single win. So even assuming Zabuza wasn't just bluffing, he vastly overestimated Haku's tactical prowess.
@@stephencollins9396kakashi didn’t overhype anyone 😂😂😂
@@jasonmoukala8909he most definitely did, haku didn’t demonstrate high jonin skills simply by holding back against two genin while using a unique bloodline limit that neither had the answer to. And that trait made him better able to intercept Kakashi, but if he was that high above him, he simply would have gotten him out of the way without having to tank the blow with his chest. In fact, the tailed beast form Naruto used to overwhelm him is well bellow what Kage level and its likely any jonin could handle such a blast without getting overwhelmed as Sasuke def wasn’t joining level when he defeated it in the valley of the end. Haku clearly should be beneath any of the leaf jonin.
@@stephencollins9396 kakashi has no answer to crystal ice mirror
I see what you’re saying but I still put Naruto above Sakura. Naruto has mountains more chakra than her, is actually useful in battle, and is capable of on the spot battle tactics. Sakura’s chakra control aids her very little
Doesn’t Kyuubi count as a character in the first arc? We see him full fledged during the flashback so he should be on the list (maybe top 1 or top 2 if you consider him stronger or weaker than Minato).
I would've probably preferred if the top lists of each arcs only featured characters playing a role in said arc tbh
Having Minato be there taking a spot every time even though he just appears in the prologue kinda sucks :D
Feening for part 2 already
This vid does well enough I’ll put a priority order on it fr
@@ThunderGodTG you know damn well it’s gonna do numbers 😭😂
The guy downplay Is crazy. Guy has a winning record against kakashi despite not using the gates when they spar against one another. So base guy has a record of 51 wins & 49 losses versus kakashi.
It’s not directly indicative of strength a lot of their challenges are friendly competition
@@ThunderGodTGbut we all know Gai way stronger than kakashi
I ain’t got a problem with Guy > Kakashi it’s just impossible to place Gated Guy on this list so it’s much better to use the statements about his FP as a reference.
How tf did he know I was doing dishes 😱😱😱
3 days at 1.2k likes promise in a year it finna be at 10k
TG is my favorite Naruto UA-cam. Very honest and logical takes.
32:33 Asuma’s chakra blades should’ve gone up against Baki for a good win
Imma wait for the next parts to drop before I flame on some of these rankings TG what are we doing here bud
Which rankings you don’t like
Kyuubi Naruto in the land of waves is only weaker to 1 tail naruto at the valley of the end. In terms of Naruto himself. You can argue even stronger due to the bloodlust
I take is back, 14 ppl in a top 10 list is crazy
NGL Y'all getting a bang for your buck
@@ThunderGodTG facts
Part Two!
Great wor TG
Great video!
I know you got New Horizons in your closet, TG! Give him back! 😤
Sakumo vs itachi plz
The reason I think haku is stronger than kakashi is because I think zabuza made a lot of assumptions about what he thinks Haku would be able to do against Kakashi based off of watching him fight Zabuza the first time. Kakashi effortlessly beat Zabuza in the first and the only reason it ever seems like it’s a hard battle is because Kakashi was trapped in the water prison. I don’t think Haku would be able to beat Kakashi in a 1 vs 1 scenario tho I do think it’d be close. Not refuting what’s in the source material but that’s my opinion on it.
I will say i think kimimaro and haku have a lot of implyd relativity in terms of both haveing nearly the same back story and role personaly it feels like they are the 2 side of the same coin i would argue haku has an edge in base while curse mark kimimaro should be stronger tho idk if he can break the mirrors
for the video
Imo I think the Sasuke chakra flex on Kabuto feat was very concrete. Not to say based fatigue Sasuke would beat Kabuto or Kakashi, but it's like "Oh shit. This mf would fuck me up if he went all out." And that's why he was scared. He was seeing into the inner-depths of Sasuke's chakra and realized how strong he was. Also I think there's a databook statement or smth of the final valley fight Naruto amps being his strongest amps. Which means the amps were stronger than in the fight with Haku. This would honestly give c1 3 tomoe Sasuke some relevance to Kakashi (But I doubt he could win in an actual fight) And I think this puts c2 Sasuke above Kakashi if you want to be somewhat charitable to Sasuke's scaling. It would make his post time skip strength make more sense if he started out stronger than Kakashi that early on. That's just my opinion though. It just makes a bit more sense to me.
This is taking into account that Kakashi got stronger after the fight with Haku, but I don't believe he got stronger by so much that the feat is completely irrelevant to his retrivel arc scaling.
I think you can def say Naruto & Sasuke FP are Jonin level by the end of P1 it’s just way too vague. The statement you’re referring to is discussing Naruto without the One Tail Cloak. I think the problem is that Naruto only has that feat vs a more fatigued variant of Haku this being directly which makes it not a 1:1, Haku himself is kinda a glass canon with really good speed but, really bad AP (Naruto yelled away his Senbon lmao) or could just regen the damage.
It’s just really difficult to accurately place those versions of the characters on the Top Ten since they’re just no grazing that Leaf Jonin tier compared to everyone else and or the mountains of evidence.
@@ThunderGodTG I get your point. Haku just kinda eats a punch from that Naruto and then eats another punch from base naruto and then speed blitzes Kakashi. Yeah I get your logic. The list is still valid.
I just want to add guy beat Kakashi 1 more time than the reverse, but I do think after Kakashis training he would be above guy and if they fought a few more times it would be reversed and Kakashi would win more often
What is the name of that game at the start of the video where you show minato, hiruzen etc...
All of you UA-camrs say the same thing. I dont know if the anime switched it around from the manga but in the anime Pain clearly states “I still require 30% of your chakra for the sealing of the 1 tails. Not 70, 30. Which means Guy fought a 70% clone, not a 30%. I don’t see how you, sage, Seth, six, swag, miss this in every single video you reference it in. Like I said maybe the anime reversed the manga statement. But in the anime Itachi and Kisame are 70% clones.
My brother in christ, did you peep the intro? Do you know the rules for the vid? Nah you skipped it why don’t you go ahead and watch that then come back to me talking about Shippuden feats smh I ain’t even bring that shit up in this vid too so this is a double L
@@ThunderGodTG Wheww. You’re actually wrong in every way, that’s crazy. I did watch your intro, you did include that feat, and it’s still wrong. Do you need a timestamp on your own video? Lol. You and every UA-camr who ever mentioned guy or Kisame always say it’s a 30% clone and not a 70. Every video, not just this one.
My brother ch.255 Pain saying this is in reference to the technique (art of impersonation) NOT the Gedo Mazo the subject of the sentence is the art of the impersonation idk how you think otherwise. Kisame reaffirms this in Chapter 260 “we gave the dopplegangers 30% of our chakra”. You legit just are interpreting pains statement weirdly when it’s mentioned twice and clearly 30. What’s CRAZY is being as wrong as you are and coming in with your energy, chill out G
This guy is crazy hostile for no reason lmao. Also, for what its worth, just because Pain needs 30, it doesnt mean the clones are at 70. 70 is just the maximum they could be at. In fact, if they used 100% of their chakra,(meaning the clones are at 70%), don’t they die? I remember kakashi taking with sasuke in part 1 about it when explaining the chakra limitations he has.
The clones or jutsu utilize 30% chakra of the akatsuki member in question it’s not from Pain himself.
25:44 NEKO-ARC
Icl i think kishi wanted to hype up Jiraiya in p1 w those statements,because lets be real once we saw what itachi can do in shippuden he bullies Jiraiya easily lol
35:02 Symphogear detected
what actually happened to newhorizons
Do another plz
I think Gaara and Kimmimaro should have beat Asuma at least. They feel stronger than him at the time tbh. And Haku. Because I think this Gaara or Kimmimaro would've beat Haku/0 tails Naruto.
Haku would prob outlast both of them they don’t have the same reserves / regen as naruto with both having pretty verifiable chakra limits. All Haku has to do is not use the ice mirror prison tbh
“eyeruka”
I do this every time, it’s like a cycle bro
The Kisame disrespect is DIABOLICAL!! 😭
I stg Kishimoto did him dirty in P1 he’s not usable bro
No Shippuden scaling, he's below Kakashi
@@Rdc_Dom damn😭
Last time I was this early Naruto just learned the rasengan